wait, people think the girl with the dragon tattoo is a bad movie??? i found it absolutely wonderful and thrilling. watched it multiple times over the years.

@agoten9978

Жыл бұрын

I thought the same thing. That is a really good movie

@CaptainMyCaptain33

Жыл бұрын

It’s visually very good and confidently directed….that’s about it for me. Never understood the hype of the film. And I love most of Finchers work.

@NighteeeeeY

Жыл бұрын

@@CaptainMyCaptain33 it has incredible acting and story design!?!?!? thats what i watch movies for at least ^^

@agoten9978

Жыл бұрын

@@CaptainMyCaptain33 it's definitely not my favorite Fincher film but definitely not a mistep

@SouravDas-vi1jh

Жыл бұрын

Same here I wanted to write the same comment then saw this is the first comment shown to me

The fact that you called the girl with a dragon tattoo bad is concerning

@omotionmedia

Жыл бұрын

I agree. Girl With A Dragon Tattoo was awesome and a great movie.

@LeonardGMN

Жыл бұрын

And look at all the movie rating sites (imdb, letterboxd, rotten tomatoes). It got all good scores. I think it's a difference when talking about "bad" films if you as a single person don't like a film or if a film is generally disliked by a lot of people. The second would've been a better approach for this video.

@josephbraganza9303

Жыл бұрын

Girl with a Dragon Tattoo it’s one of the best ….

@josephbraganza9303

Жыл бұрын

Tenet !!it’s a master piece

I am surprised to not see studio/backer/producer/distributor interference on you list. I also think that sometimes a film is just marketed wrong, making people expect a different film. Sometimes, it is hard to forget what you have been told, and watch what is on the screen.

@yourt00bz

Жыл бұрын

That’s most of it

@vivekreddymedapati8053

Жыл бұрын

In Nolan movies Studios don't and can't interfere, he sorts out all those things at the time of agreement

@yourt00bz

Жыл бұрын

@@vivekreddymedapati8053 it’s also his downfall as it can’t mitigate/moderates his lack of talent , imagination or creativity ruining his lazy excuses to keep making bond adjacent movies until Barbara broccoli dies. Although bezos buying bond may chill the Bond-U.K. film industry to the point she relents idk

@abdulsameeh_666

Жыл бұрын

@@yourt00bz tf u saying lol

@yourt00bz

Жыл бұрын

@@abdulsameeh_666 Lol of it needs more spelling out than that to you then enjoy his films.

I think studio intervention deserves some mention here. It’s very common for Hollywood studios to take up and coming filmmakers with a good film or two already under their belt and essentially use their name for the films they’ve already decided how they wanted to make. Josh Trank for Chronicle to Fant4stic and Edgar Wright for most of his work to Ant-Man are prime examples.

@TheBoyjah

Жыл бұрын

I agree. Outside intervention MUST be a factor to consider

@BlipBloop33

Жыл бұрын

But those directors didn't play well with marvel studios. that's a bad look on them not marvel studios. every film director should know going into a marvel movie that you don't mess with formula.

@happybirthdaypaulie8584

Жыл бұрын

@@BlipBloop33 I’m just using Marvel as an example as it’s an instance of the director admitting to too much interference after the fact. And Fant4stic was by Fox pre-merger so they were their own thing back then, but if you want more examples of studios other than Disney, Avi Arad was a major reason for Spider-Man 3 feeling so bloated as he forced Raimi’s hand with the inclusion of Venom.

Tenet at worst is an underwhelming film for many. By no metric is it a bad film. Personally, I think its far better than Interstellar and is my favorite of his films.

@TheMarauderOfficial

Жыл бұрын

tent is a bad film, by my personal metric, so…?

@thesahel7218

Жыл бұрын

You like it doesn’t mean its good. That thing is barely a film. Interstellar is goated

@TheWelchProductions

Жыл бұрын

You’re wrong. Quality is subjective, and it is a bad film for many people, even awful.

Despite the hefty budget, I believe that TENET would have made its money back in normal circumstances which sucks because I really like John David Washington and Robert Pattinson.

@TheWelchProductions

Жыл бұрын

@@Ascoundrel You’re wrong.

Don't forget audiences. Their emotional swings pertaining to films is tremendous. They'll look at one film and then maybe another good sequel of it but compare the two. Or they tire of a genre. Or the studios promotion of the film is not on target. Sometimes it's against another film premiere. Or maybe societal events have made the film less desirable to look at. Maybe the studio just placed it at the wrong time of the year. There are many other factors that have nothing to do with the script or the director. But scripts are important as you say. That gets into how a script reads versus how it's actually presented. Two directors with the same script can have totally different presentations as you very well know.

@AnandaGarden

Жыл бұрын

Agree, and I think it's a good argument for staying with universal themes that cut close to everyone's home. Every good story, in some way, is about the two forces that tug at people's hearts: the expansive and contractive.

I appreciate your work and the thought that went into the video, but I was hoping one of its questions would be "how do we know for sure that the film is bad?" or "how many people have to say it's bad before that label is accepted?" or "how many elements of a movie have to underwelm before you call it bad overall?" Tenet is a movie that may be recognized as a dip in the director's career, but why can't it just be that? I feel like mixed success is often rounded down to failure.

@georgefilmanimation

Жыл бұрын

I love Tenet. I agree with your comment though.

@jammaschan

Жыл бұрын

Tenet was really good imo, easier to understand than interstellar

Filmmaking is a team work. Sometimes producers try to play it safe so they would make more money. That’s why modern films are so bland and unoriginal. Or a script is rewritten so many times it barely resembles the original idea. It’s not always a director’s fault.

@naqibdaik7241

Жыл бұрын

I think the reason why directors are being blamed is common is that it was easy to blame them. They're the leader of the team. They're the team face. If the project failed, they look at the face first.

@vb8428

Жыл бұрын

@@naqibdaik7241 And in this case the director is too powerful that not even the studio can make him have a better sound mix for dialogue to be audible

@TheWelchProductions

Жыл бұрын

@@vb8428 The audio was 85-90% intelligible in Tenet. It’s a valid criticism but not a major one, since the dialogue that wasn’t comprehensible didn’t really affect the audience’s understanding of the plot.

I would rather watch a risky/failed movie from a good director rather than the same old generic factory-made movies. That's just my mind set at the moment, people might not share the same feeling

Constantly creating something new is the really big thing. A Chef doesn’t mess up and omelette because he doesn’t have to constantly reinvent the omelette. And a violinist may play other people’s compositions masterfully all his life because he only has to repeat himself. If that same Chef had to invent new recipes every time or if the violinist had to compose new works each time, they’d “mess up” a lot more.

@martinsorenson1055

Жыл бұрын

My thinking is the Chef probably messes up an omelette - he just doesn't make it again or let anyone eat it. It's like when people say, "Your pictures are always so good." Right. I don't show you the bad ones.

The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo is supposed to be a bad Fincher? Excuse me sir, are you okey?

Remember you are a filmmaker not a psychologist so when you are stating something as factual it's wrong. You never been in their shoes. Every human is different so every filmmaker has to be. When does a film became good or bad based on audience reaction? You may like it or you may not. That's it. I am not talking about unwatchable amateur/stupid filmmaking, But Describing a film failure of a great director is really strange. I have enjoyed girl with dragon tattoo. And I still do.

I think The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo is absolutely awesome!

@LucianaContartese

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I liked it too. And even if it's not someone's cup of tea that doesn't make it a bad film at all.

@mrcoatsworth429

Жыл бұрын

@@LucianaContartese I actually prefer it to Fight Club and Seven. Just love the cold atmosphere of it and everything.

@LucianaContartese

Жыл бұрын

@@mrcoatsworth429 Haven't re-watched "Fight Club" or "Seven" in a while so they're not so fresh in my memory but I've re-watch "The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo", "Gone girl", "Zodiac" and "The social Network" so many times. What a director Fincher is.

@princesmith8008

Жыл бұрын

@@LucianaContartese Panic Room and The Game are also pretty good, I believe these two are Fincher's most underrated films.

I liked Tenet. It's a trip. Like some others said, it might've been too complicated for the mass audience. But that shouldn't be a yardstick of "good". Audiences DID change. They were dumbed down. The flood of "franchise" crap is junk food.

@danielrmz40

Жыл бұрын

The problem is that people feel Smart because they like Tenet and there is nothing Smart about that

@VikrantPatankar13

Жыл бұрын

@@danielrmz40 Of course, there's nothing smart about liking a film. Though, there are such people who feel so, both in liking and disliking Tenet.

@MuhammadTahir-jf8pz

Жыл бұрын

Being smart is ultimately irrelevant when you have a soulless film utterly lacking character development & thus unable to engage the audience with their uninteresting characters, Nolan's work otherwise is always centered around the people & their relationships, take inception as an example, the intricate plot is only just a plot device to further the complexities of romantic heartbreak and the torture of the soul. People who liked Tenet, in my opinion, they know nothing about what makes a good film, they only appreciate the superficial temporal complexity which isn't supposed to be important but I guess it is when the film lacks anything else to captivate the audience, it reeked of creative fatigue.

@chelovek500

Жыл бұрын

I find it funny when sci-fi fans fawn over Primer but roll their eyes at Tenet, which is a way better film and way more complex than Primer.

@VikrantPatankar13

Жыл бұрын

@@chelovek500 Hahaha exactly, maybe it's just trendy to nitpick Tenet's intentional writing of its characters. Whereas such nitpicking doesn't exist while watching a film like Primer coz, of course, it's low budget and less popular.

To say Tenet is a bad movie, and a result of hubris is only an indication of the failing of the audience making the claim. Tenet is a masterpiece, and shows how much respect Nolan had for the audience’s intelligence & comprehension. Unfortunately, it revealed how misplaced that respect was.

@v-trigger6137

Жыл бұрын

Tenet is not even specifically a bad movie, as these people are trying to put it. it's just a example of one of the moments when a filmmaker drifts away too much on experiment (it's not really a bad thing, it happens with everyone). and made something that is astounding in filmmaking but doesn't resonate with the audience it's like Michael Mann's Miami Vice situation. it was so much experimented to point that, upon release everyone called it pretentious and boring.. but now it has found it's cult audience, I think Tenet will eventually find it's right audience as well

@errwhattheflip

Жыл бұрын

I don´t think itś a bad movie, but it´s definitely not a masterpiece. It has plenty of issues even on a technical level

@Lonewolf-up4pc

Жыл бұрын

I love Tenet! It’s one of my favorite movies. Plus it came out during a time when people weren’t sure about going back inside theaters because of COVID. If anything Tenet is a movie ahead of its time …. years from now people will wish they would’ve seen it when it came out in theaters .

@SOSO_CREPITUS

Жыл бұрын

@@Lonewolf-up4pc nah

@SOSO_CREPITUS

Жыл бұрын

It’s not a masterpiece and your iQ didn’t go higher for “understanding” tenant…

Tenet is amazing. Just my opinion.

You forgot the most obvious: directors are human and part of an entire workforce of humans working on a film. Humans make mistakes, so therefore it is impossible for every product (film) resulting from that workforce to be of equal quality. I'm pretty sure that's the answer to the question, not one of your imaginative over-the-top reasons.

@AnandaGarden

Жыл бұрын

Sareesh is talking about personal qualities of directors that trip them up. Of course there are countless external factors that can ruin a film.

I'm just an 80-year-old nonfiction writer/editor and prosumer photographer. Still, I'm fascinated by what makes films work. (Maybe in my next life.) I think, "Watch the end credits on any major film - and be very scared." There are SO many things that can go wrong. And SO many people who can make them go wrong. And then there's a whole self-enclosed world of people whose credo is ... money - and SO many bad decisions they can make (marketing Galaxy Quest for 8-year-olds just because Rug Rats was making a ton of money). If I were a director, I would be very, very careful about choosing my friends. Then there are movies that seem so beautifully well-made, I just long to know the backstory and learn how it all seems to have gone so right. Okay, this is personal, but The Accountant. And the tragicomic story of how the company's attentions were distracted by the death of a star actor on a blockbuster film, so the Galaxy Quest makers were left more or less on their own.

I think "bad" movies from good directors are fine things to happen sometimes. Because it can be them trying to adventure themselves into something new just like any artist. Of course this can be expensive, a lot of money and resources put into it but, how would they know they are not really fit for that story if they don't try it? Who knows? It could work.

What's the logic behind the clips being shown in this video? I'm seeing tons and tons of great films here

Thank you for the word of caution. 👍 It is much appreciated.

TENET isn't a bad film. It's a modern classic in the making and one of the smartest, most unique and uncompromising studio blockbusters ever made.. BLADE RUNNER was similarly lukewarmly received and dismissed, and ten years later, boom. A unanimous reappraisal.

@YakobBell

Жыл бұрын

Nah I disagree, TENET had a terrible and pretentious story and completely hollow and empty characters. Blade runner 2049 felt long and drawn out and it wasn't as intelligent as I thought it was. Btw, I am a HUGE fan or both Nolan and Villeneuve so it pains me to say this

@StefanReich

Жыл бұрын

@@YakobBell TENET is just dreadful. Soulless and depressing, and don't get me started on the movie's logic

@aidangreen7006

Жыл бұрын

@@YakobBell It’s weird because I’m such a passionate defender of TENET, while simultaneously totally understanding why it would underwhelm and alienate audiences, even Nolan fans. I get mad when a movie so clearly thinks it’s smarter than me as well, it’s why I don’t care for PRIMER (another notoriously intricate time travel movie). I can’t explain why I reacted so strongly to the movie, but I’m happy I did. It feels like it was made for me. Buddy cop/spy duo of two exciting young actors, solving a secret agent time travel conspiracy, shot on 35mm and IMAX film, directed by Christopher Nolan, with an amazing score and practical action that I’ve never seen in a movie before. Plus the cheeky tie-in soundtrack song by Travis Scott that references the movie in the lyrics. I’m in Heaven lol.

@YakobBell

Жыл бұрын

@@aidangreen7006 hahahah well that's all that matters at the end of the day, if the movie hits the spot, it hits the damn well spot

@billmurray7676

Жыл бұрын

I 100% agree, and also feel it was made for me. But I think it asks too much of the spectator, namely to think non-linearly (in a linear art form, which is difficult) and to actually think about it afterwards to understand it. The movie doesn't try to impress you with how clever it is, it's trying to make you experience reality in a different way. Whether you enjoy the movie or not, you can't deny it's showing you things you've never seen before. I also enjoy the themes of the movie, you could say Tenet follows Inception and Interstellar in that regard.

Tenet was incredible for me. I get why people don't like it but man. It was nearly perfect for me.

@NoOne-uh9vu

Жыл бұрын

Watch South Parks Sheepception to understand why many people hate Nolan in general

@MAandS

Жыл бұрын

@@Ascoundrel i feel like you misses the part where I said FOR ME. Lol. But continue

@TheWelchProductions

Жыл бұрын

@@Ascoundrel You’re forgetting that quality is SUBJECTIVE. Just because you disagree doesn’t mean the other person is wrong.

5:43 To be fair, Shyamalan has always acted in his films with the exception of like two, I think.

Films are very hard to make and a lot can go wrong. Most art ever created is "bad", and movies are no different.

I am not a filmmaker, let alone a great director; but I am a proficient, working professional musician, and your analysis resonates with my experience. I play mostly cover songs pared down to a solo acoustic performance, and am always on the hunt for "new" material. Sometimes a piece of music simply excites and/or haunts me so that I feel compelled to give it a shot, but I simply can not seem to do it justice. It is super frustrating, especially when the music is relatively simply to begin with. I should be able to at least just copy the original in some satisfying manner; but nope. Then, after a while, SOMETIMES something clicks and it inexplicably works. The only explanation that makes sense is a relaxed state of mind that playfully looks at the material in a new and unique way. That connection is NECESSARY, regardless of the music's inherent value. If I don't feel it, I leave it the fuck alone. I believe that is what any artist should learn.

I disagree with Ready Player taking massive risks. It was based on a YA book. It's filled with young people and nostalgic IP. Story telling wise, it's so bland and by the numbers as well as just being stupid in that regard. Even technically speaking it didn't take many risks, Spielberg and probably the producers just handed most of the VFX to a VFX team same as all the other big modern blockbusters. Plus everyone else has also seemed to mention this but studio interference is almost always the biggest issue. Panicking and going with the trends instead of trusting the directors.

Any creative project has an element of luck, intuition, capturing the zeitgeist, a great idea... When it comes to any collaborative project, it's got so many moving parts that all need to go right - script, casting, score, cinematography, editing, costume etc. Any one of these aspects could affect a movie.

Really enjoy the videos! Wondering if you wouldn't mind including the titles of the films on screen when you show?

The good: short and punchy with some really solid questions and an opinionated conclusion, obviously drawn out of the experience of analytically watching thousands of good, bad and mediocre movies. The not so good: No real arguments, detailed examples or proof. This is food for thought, something to chew on, I like it very much, thanks! BTW: I thoroughly enjoyed TENET about ten times now. It has major flaws in logic and comprehension, it’s cold and for many viewers emotionally distanced to a fault. And, of course, it’s chronologically disjointed a.f. by concept. But I love it. It somehow hits my sweet spot. I don’t know why.

I laughed when he showed Lady in the water🤣. Only movie I’ve ever watched groups of people walk out of.

Bloody great little vignette of truth, as always, Sureesh! What about “different to usual expectations from this director” ? e.g Coppola’s Rumble Fish. Lots of people hate RF essentially because it’s not the Godafthers or Apocalypse. I think RF is a masterpiece.

Here's a short answer as to why - its cause they end up believing their own hype, smelling their own farts, fulfilling expectations, doubling down on style over substance and never being told no cause they became so successful. People don't like to admit it, but fame and fortune is poison for art

I think this is the first time ive ever seen someone refer to The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo as a bad film.

@joshrichardson5290

Жыл бұрын

Yeah that was a hot take haha

@thesahel7218

Жыл бұрын

Thats finchers worst though

@MrJacobrezac

Жыл бұрын

@@thesahel7218 maybe, but it’s by me means a bad film which is what this video is about.

@Frog_Cat_

Жыл бұрын

@@thesahel7218 I'd put it above The Social Network (that one good scene doesn't make up for the rest of the snorefest), Benjamin Button, and The Game

@ianucci

Жыл бұрын

@@thesahel7218 I think panic room is finchers worst personally. Dragon tattoo i really enjoyed, more than the first version. I was not overly impressed by gone girl but i guess im in the minority there.

The random clips should have served to explain and amplify your thesis. I couldn't tell which you thought were good films and which were bad. You only called out Matrix 4 (not 2 and 3?) and "Girl with the Dragon Tattoo". What did you intend by the 3-4 Tarantino movies?

I think tenet is just catching the brunt of the nolan backlash, not a bad movie at all

Film making is very difficult and complex. It costs hundreds of people years to make one movie, and a director must coordinate every one to come to a product where all fits together and tells the story. If people would know how much work is in one movie they for sure would not make illegal copies.

Performance of an artist with time follows a parabolic graph/trajectory. If successful in the beginning, the director either starts taking risk or tries to portray their specific vision by the 5-6th film, believing that audience would like them on the basis of the past films. This is where they screw up, sometimes in laziness sometimes just making something purely for themselves

A better question is "Why do good studios force great directors to leave? "

Too much experiment is leathel even in creativity also. So always balance in act will be a great thing to do.

I's strange to open up an essay "Why do good directors make bad films?" with Tenet on the front

That's just the nature of artist. Take Leonardo da Vinci, how many exactly his painting you can name or considered masterpiece?

Tenant is not a bad film, it's just experimental, good directors make bad films because they get a lot of power to make the crazy things they want to make. I think it should be celebrated, more interesting premises and less cookie cutter MCU shit please.

@jasontodd6779

Жыл бұрын

Agree.

@SteelShirt99

Жыл бұрын

Tenet had jaw-dropping visuals, music, action set pieces but it had awful editing and a story that was convoluted for the sake of convoluting and 80% exposition dumps. It’s imo Nolans worst film but still Tenet is better than a good 90% of dross that comes out of Hollywood. Shows you the standards of the man.

@cuneyt3830

Жыл бұрын

not at all the rest of his films other than batam triolgy achieve that and are still great films. this was arty and bad i liked aspects but it cam off as he bit off more then he could chew it didnt feel like a finished film like his others.

@pratikmore6359

Жыл бұрын

You said it right bhai.

It’s not just the directors who are responsible for the film’s quality (as important as they are). I’ve seen bad directors make good films because of bad scripts and vice versa.

@TheRulerRoderickSutton

Жыл бұрын

That’s part of a director’s job: to be visionary, directing and guiding a production to its end. If a director cannot recognize a bad script or plot holes in a story, is he a good director…? My answer: Hell no. A director is only as good as the story that they tell.

@scottchambers926

Жыл бұрын

@@TheRulerRoderickSutton I get your sentiments but what if they have been hired exclusively to direct the script for the studio? Can be a bit more complex behind the scenes. Look how many directors have walked out on marvel projects for that exact reason.

I totally agree with your point of view , but one more non technical aspect is (law of averages) if you made a good film then you will also make a bad film that’s how the world works , so that you can learn from it to make better one again and also some time it’s just pure luck factor !!! But I think making bad film is the key to make good one no matter how big the director is there is always a room for improvement so by delivering a flop , the director reanalyses himself and improve !!!!

@kalakritistudios

Жыл бұрын

Almost every director is like: "We don't know how it's gonna perform."

So good to see you getting off of the 'shorts' jag! Welcome back!

And the fact that their life changes after success, because money, and they become disconnected to real life which is a center piece in making a good film.

i really want to like tenet but i still dont fully get it. its not as difficult to understand as primer and i dont know if its the editing or if im just dumb. but i can say with confidence that the wachowsky were a fluke with matrix. absolutely nothing after that movie was worth anyones time and a joke.

Personally I found that Tenet was Nolan’s best film in a long time. But I hated a lot of his other newer stuff.

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Correct me if I am wrong - Did you just say 'The Girl With A Dragon Tattoo' is a bad film or incompetent? This is wrong. I think David Fincher's weakest film is The Game.

@TheWelchProductions

Жыл бұрын

No, it’s not wrong. It’s a subjective opinion.

Tenet - it's wonderful and unique experience in modern cinema. I really love this movie and totally disagree with this strange opinion.

@RajMGandhi

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. They just dont like coz it didnt match their expectations... It's not extraordinary but still better than 99% of the crap that comes out these days...

@TheWelchProductions

Жыл бұрын

@@RajMGandhi “extraordinary” = out of the ordinary. Tenet is in fact out of the ordinary and thus extraordinary.

I’m sorry but if there was any implication Quinten Tarantino had hubris when he made OUTIH, I have to respectfully disagree. That movie is a masterpiece, and IMO one of his best films. I think he just doesn’t make a movie unless he is balls to the wall in LOVE with it.

I feel like you miss the importants of the hole production. there are a lot of thing that can ruin you film that you cant handle because of production choices and budget.

Excellent commentary. I found the David Fincher directed "Girl With The Dragon Tattoo" was overrated. Roomi Mara's performance was lifeless compared to Noomi Rapace's performance. And I just didn't care about anyone as much as I did in Rapace's "Dragon Tattoo" version. It's good to know I'm in good company with my disappointment in "Tenet", which I felt was too convoluted to follow, and too self-conscious to take seriously. Thanks for your intelligent and informative commentary.

Cause they gotta squeeze all the rituals in to satisfy their demonic deities. Leaves less room for organic plot derivation.

u consider dragon tattoo finchers bad movie and not benjamin button?

I don't think Tenet was a bad film, I think it didn't go well with a passive audience. The film connected to another film done by another British director with a similar plot. It overlaps with that film that replicated the theme of the Sator Skull. But, Nolan depended too much on an audience that either knew the works he was referring to. Or, cared enough to look up what he was talking about. Neither happened because audiences appreciate handheld spoon-fed spectacles. Just because the movie-going audience doesn't understand Tenent doesn't make it a bad film.

I pity anyone who thinks the girl with the dragon tattoo and tenet are bad movies because they are not just because A. movie wasn't a financial success and B. audience did not comprehend immediately it doesn't mean it's a bad movie when Extraordinary film directors i.e. Fincher and Nolan get to the peak of their careers just like professionals in other fields like engineers(inventors) they push the limits they invent and develop the field even further the problem with that in film is that only a few get it those who truly understand the concept of film and how its evolving....

@g-bodermalmasfilmsinemaken8867

Жыл бұрын

there is a why people don't get abstract painting its because they are ahead of their time. the same thing happen to Tenet

I think the main problem is that movies aren't really like omelettes. A movie needs to be new and different or it has no reason to exist, and there is no "recipe" for guaranteeing success under those conditions.

I haven't watched The Irishman because it's three and a half hours long. They should have made that into a mini-series.

@mrcoatsworth429

Жыл бұрын

And what would be the difference? I saw it actually in a theater and the time just flew by. The only thing that didn't work well were the weird de-aging effects.

I liked Tenet..waited a while to download it and it didn't disappoint my long wait

M. Night Shymalan: A Retrospective

Whether Nolan got too big for his britches with Tenet or not (I loved it) you ca n't deny that he has taken a noticeable step back with Oppenheimer

@ashokthapa5180

Жыл бұрын

i m already confuse.🤔😀

@Mcf4742

Жыл бұрын

How is it a step back? The film isn’t even out yet.

@monkeydude9192

Жыл бұрын

​@@Mcf4742 Perhaps he just means in terms of smaller is scope? Nolan still has the ability to make an autobio conceptual, similar to how he approached Dunkirk, so I agree that its too early to say its a step back

Dragon tattoo is a great film

Script script and script. If it’s a great script it’s hard to screw it up but most directors really do have limited ability and it’s often hidden in the process. They almost always are told that they are better and more talented by awards and their surrounding acolytes than they are. Most directors really aren’t that self aware either and they will often have a basic flaw that eventually is shown. Of course there is always the politics involved that can cloud judgement but most bad films fail usually on such a howling plot or script hole that it’s truly amazing that these things are not laughed out of the script meeting. They survive because of the hierarchical sycophancy that over hype and the Dutch courage needed to dump millions of budget into an idea becomes an exercise in collective delusion and blind faith. Success is often way more about luck than judgement and about who you know not what you know. That combination will always find people out given enough rope. Alien covenant is a perfect example. Once you analyse that then there’s a whole unraveling of a career of work that suddenly looks less a product of genuine talent. Terence Malik is another example of someone who really doesn’t have a clue about making a film and would probably say so himself and yet is considered a great auteur. Why?? His films are frankly unwatchable once that amateur charm becomes the only one trick pony in town. A simple tell is him making actors play chase with each other usually in an open field on a wide, from days of heaven to his latest work as if this is his only metaphor for people being natural. It’s palpable seeing the actors faith drain away as the scene goes on and on with endless attempts at non specific dialogue ad-libs that become repetitive on the word action. It’s not hubris that creates terrible films it’s sycophancy. The emperor’s new clothes? Once they are invested they just can’t back down and whilst everyone is replaceable that level of insecurity breeds an even worst hierarchical omnipotence that no individual least alone film director deserve. We see it in every aspect of life and it’s not limited to film but when budgets exceed the 100s of millions it’s hard to not notice the giant gold plated turd in the room.

7 - Producers who do not want to take the risk and interfere in the director's work by cutting his wings

Girl with the dragon tattoo is a critically acclaimed adaptation

Why did you add a “hi” in the beginning of the video - feel like you could have just started right away

Girl with the Dragon Tattoo by David is incredible!

SMH…. This sums up guy Richie’s career to a tee, after "lock, stock and two smoking barrels" everything went down hill. He pretty much recycled the same narrative over and over again.😒

I would say they forget the fundamentals.

A bad film is just as difficult to make as a good film and You don’t know what movie your making until you’ve already made it, you’re going off of faith and judgement, in the end it’s up to the audience to decide if it’s good or not

I agree that the "past their prime" reason is often just ageist and stupid since there are plenty of directors who have produced masterpieces at an advanced age (Sidney Lumet directed Before the Devil Knows You're Dead 50 years after he did 12 Angry Men, for example). But what does really happen is that directors who were once on the cutting edge of cinema fail to stay on that cutting edge as time goes by. Not that Hitchcock's last films are bad exactly, but you can see him still using techniques, like very phony-looking rear projection shots, that stick out like a sore thumb in the 1970s because better methods had been widely adopted by then. George A. Romero's Diary of the Dead *is* unambiguously bad, and it's largely because he's trying to both use and comment on a newfangled found footage style of horror movie that he clearly doesn't understand. This can be exacerbated if the director takes a long break before returning to the director's chair, as George Lucas did between the original Star Wars and Episode I.

Using your Chef making omelettes argument. I would argue a Chef does know how to make an omelette but he can also make one that fails. He tried something new, some combination that just didn't work. But he doesn't know it would be bad until he tastes it. So, he doesn't serve that to anyone. He can just toss the omelette; it most likely didn't cost that much money. But a movie.... that's a different story.

Honestly I love Tenet!

1:53 which is that film ?

This take makes me wonder, have we become spoiled? What exactly is a good or bad film? Are we too caught up in everything outside of the actual film itself, and use that as variables to judge aa film? I personally don't think it's fair. When I watch a film, I try my very best to judge it based solely on how it connected with me and nothing else. A film being good or bad, outside of the technical aspects, should mostly be judged by how it connected with the individual. One example, I loved the film Amelie, but my wife didn't like it at all. It didn't connect with her. I think we should all re-evaluate what it means to appreciate the art or filmmaking.

Because they always into content and creativity, rather then popularity, politics,,,

Because people cant always pay attention? They need things explained in a simple formulaic way? Just a thought .

Biggest technical issue with Tenet remains that most of the plot happens in the dialogue and the dialogue is mixed to be “a sound effect”. I suspect that either no one has the clout or the cojones to tell Nolan that no one can hear your dialogue.

@RevJ7

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I could. You people must have hearing problems. Has never been a problem for me. You clowns are making shit up.

@g-bodermalmasfilmsinemaken8867

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I don't know what you were listening to or from which device but I heard everything loud and clear the sound effect for your information was wind in reverse which is part of the sound design to inform the audience which timeline the characters were in and the plot points happened physically i.e. he made the choice to take his life and that is the catalyst the plot wasn't played out in the dialog what was was the exposition which was necessary due to the heavy concept and philosophy of time and story structure which clearly some of his audience did not have the capacity to comprehend

@andrewwebster4348

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See, I think there just isn't that much to Tenet, so people were overthinking and trying to hear dialogue, that could have been muffled, and were confused. Its just a stripped down Roger Moore bond, but with a protagonist who is at his core the type of human being who would make for a virtuous super spy. The film is about the hero, and what makes him do what he does. It lacks the twist ending of Inception.

I’d say Ready Player One is as watchable as is because of Spielberg

loved the subject, was waiting for this subject to be talked about. good job sir

I have no idea why you used tenet and space odyssey as example in this video. Because neither stanley kubrick nor christopher nolan till now made any bad movie

I think The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo was one of the best Fincher's films (a long with Curious Case, Social Network, Fight Club). He puts in there a lot of soul and love for the charecters. Totally disagree about your opinion about someone like Ridley Scott, Nolan or Shyamalan. It's just problem of audience with auterish films. It's just of matter of time when people get it the whole thing of particular feature.

I have noticed a pattern over the decades with bands and film directors. In the beginning they are making art that is meant to appeal to a certain mind set. Once they become more successful, they move toward their true artistic desires. Examples: I LOVE the early films of Gus Van Sant. Once he became successful and went Hollywood: WTF?! Same with The Ramones. They started off making really cool punkish songs. But once they reached a certain point, they started making the music that they really wanted to make (Phil Spector?), which was very different from their original works and not nearly as pleasing to original fans such as myself. Nicolas Roeg is another director that was an early film fave but lost my interest as he moved away from the elements that intrigued me. And I don't think it is that the underlying artistry changed, it was that the overall target themes had changed. I can almost say the same for Peter Greenaway, but in his case, it really seems like the spinning wheels in his wonderful artistic and enchantingly repetitive mind became so tight that he lost the notion of telling any kind of story. It almost feels like the initial mentality is to make things that are going to gain traction in various ways and appeal to a certain audience, but then after they become comfortable it seems that the mentality becomes something more like they want to create things that appeal to them. Nothing wrong with that, but it does appear to be an artistic influence over time.

@CaptainMyCaptain33

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Yeah man, first three Ramones albums were excellent. After that, all bombs. There is an excitement when starting your first band. You are relaxed. Full of ideas that won’t stop flowing. You take the best songs from those ideas and if you’re lucky you make a record. That record does well, you get to make another one and the excitement of “making it” begins to take over. You take all those other songs that were good and get to record them, but they feel “old and outdated” and you now have new stuff to say, and overall you want to impress people. So you pay for a fancier studio and producer. The album does well and bigger labels start making offers. Which you agree to, and the band becomes a business. You’ve got it in your head that all these new songs you’ve written are gonna blow peoples hair back. But the producers want the same as the first two albums, so you go back to that sack full of original songs and half the new album is made of old songs you can’t stand anymore. The other half, was written by your band mates who never wrote songs before but suddenly felt as if they are song writers. The album does well. It’s not your favorite in terms of songs but the production was great. You tour and it’s the same old song and dance. You start to hate it. And want out. It isn’t fun anymore. But your contract says, you can’t leave. Album four, your only contribution is what’s left in that old sack of songs and some half assed ideas you barely farted out, and since the last album was still a hit your band mates feel you’re unnecessary as they can’t write songs also. Fourth album, is the last album you play on. You only get out of the contract because you agree to write a few songs for the band for the next four-five albums. You go off and try to reinvent yourself, get as far away from that band as possible because your angry, hurt and sad it turned out the way it did. After all, it was supposed to be fun. But it was just a job that made everyone in the band hate each other. The band plays for another decade, pumping out shitty albums. The only songs that are remotely close to the bands sounds are the songs you contributed as part of the agreement. They beg you to come back. But you refuse. And the band finally calls it quits. It’s adios amigos. A few year go by and you start writing songs again. The pressure to write isn’t there anymore and it’s just you in your bedroom with nobody expecting anything. It’s fun. The songs are great. So you record them for fun, a few people hear it and say “what the fuck! THIS is the Ramones!!” But, it never goes anywhere. I knew Dee Dee. While there is more to it than that, that’s the gist of it. The reason the Ramones were great was Dee Dee’s song writing, heard through the band that played them as he was part of it. Working in film, I see the same kind of thing. Who you work with matters a great deal. And people are often pushed to pump something out, when there isn’t anything to pump out but old half assed ideas. And I swear to god this holds true for both, the best ideas are always the simplest ideas, pertaining to what, you, know! But you must be equally as good at the business. Movies and music are both major business. Knowing how to connect those two is key. You Need a Tommy, a Joey and a Johnny, but you always have to have a Dee Dee in the band. Ramones got bad because of that very reason. Didn’t matter how big the productions got.

@vb8428

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Speaking of Roeg, Nolan has been really influenced by him but in his latest film he shouldn't have used those Roeg techniques that much in a commercial film.

girl with dragon tatoo was great

In what world is Fincher's Girl with the Dragon Tattoo a bad film? It was a financial disappointment, but that's it. It got great reviews and everyone I know who has seen it likes it. I loved it.

Don’t agree with your idea with tenet being to high concept. Do agree he needed to tone down some of the enigmatic character elements in the film to make it more emotionally cohesive and understandable, something a producer might have said before he got so big. Not sure e it’s hubris as such. More that he tried something and it didn’t work very well for me.

I think that The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo is a great movie

I think Nolan did it on purpose. People made Inception deeper than it was because they thought it was an open ending. It wasnt, it was pretty definitive. So with Tenet no one knows wtf is happening and maybe he wanted the same theory analysis effect.

biggest enigma to me is the career of francis ford coppola

An argument could be made the George Lucas LUCKED OUT! His wife Marcia Lou Lucas put her stamp on “Star Wars” and Irvin Kershner steered Lucas toward Epic story… from then on he took complete control and it showed! Then Disney DESTROYED the Saga! What had Lucas done before “American Graffiti” but was the a “story” or a pastiche with a dozen actors that brought a moment of History to life! “Raiders of the Lost Ark” Spielberg. Not Lucas. What else has he done???

Tenet is not a bad film. I think it was too complicated for the mass audience so they can't recommend it by word of mouth. I think in time, it will have a huge cult following. I personally thought it was great. The audio? I don't mind either because I'm into it, but I totally get that it doesn't work with everyone.

@pratimklik1

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Maybe the pandemic had some effect on its success.

@hunterprice3320

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I enjoyed the movie. I still dont really understand it but I thought it was ridiculous that I had to have the subtitles on to understand simple dialogue lol.

@g-bodermalmasfilmsinemaken8867

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@@hunterprice3320 device

@davadh

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@@pratimklik1 100% yes. I am a diehard theater guy and I almost did not go because of the pandemic. No one showed up at my theater which is not normal obviously. Usually packed on weekends and Tuesdays

@travisbickle4360

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It is not complication but you don't have any emotional attachment to the characters

Why? Because no-one's inflammable are they?

Not understanding and therefore not being able to appreciate masterpiece Tenet is one thing, putting Nolan next to Shyamalan, who clearly lost his way trying to recreate is one great success is another. I could argue that Nolan has no emotional touch which is why Interstellar was visually stunning but left me emotionally detached (take Forrest Gump as the contrary). Actually I’m wondering what Guillermo Del Toro gets all the praise for when I believe his only stand out movie remains Pan’s Labyrinth. Hellboy was sure entertaining with a special touch but nothing outstanding. The Oscars for The Shape of water left me with some question marks…

I also think critical response can play a role. If a director has a good reputation among critics, they will occasionally feel the need to criticize said director in order to make it seem like they aren’t showing favoritism.

@captainhaddock6435

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I think it's one of his best if you really engage with it

I actually liked Tenet! I guess I’m the only one!

Taika Waititi is a perfect example