As a gay man, For a long period of time, the Divas were the only artist that “saw us” & embraced our culture & thus we return the favor by supporting them to the grave

@jonnyharvey

7 ай бұрын

well put. I include that point in the video.

@nwlondonmetaller3427

7 ай бұрын

I am straight myself looking at this as an outsider and what you are saying is true, these Divas have done a lot for the Gay community, to stand up to your rights. You have made a good and clear point, which makes me understand the Gay obsessiveness of the Diva.

@SiriusGrifindor-yd4to

7 ай бұрын

​@@nwlondonmetaller3427I was obsessed even without knowing they have made for us...

@Unsweetened8618

6 ай бұрын

What culture is that??? Y'all didn't create any of those women

@freudianslippers6567

6 ай бұрын

And the same goes, gay men give back to us by not writing us off as just "chick" stuff like so many straight men do. Gay men have supported women, we support you back.

There is just nothing better than a woman slaying the stage

@jonnyharvey

7 ай бұрын

yes I'm find them more interesting to watch perform on stage than men.

@JackMason-oq8lf

7 ай бұрын

@@jonnyharvey It's your inner woman, Mike.

@Imetwurld_

7 ай бұрын

As a woman I find this cringe 😅

@Imetwurld_

7 ай бұрын

Dear gay men masculinity is alright. As a cishet woman I'm saying this . Nothing wrong with masculinity 😒

@bunwithgun1587

7 ай бұрын

@@Imetwurld_ I'm also a woman, why is it cringe?

Not only do these divas support us, but for us, they represent an alternative to masculine power, a feminine form of power and strength.

@wattle2394

7 ай бұрын

Exactly

@daniron221

6 ай бұрын

You don't like man and man's power?

@simplenough

6 ай бұрын

@@daniron221you are illiterate

@PowerRedBullTypology

6 ай бұрын

@@daniron221 Gay men have brain strctures that show greater similarity of the brains of straight women than that of straight men. Similarly gay women have similar brain structures as straight males, and thus if they idealized anyone, they would likely be males too. However, since idealization is more of a feminine trait, neither straight men or gay women really idiolize as much as straight women or gay men. Of course I I speak in all of this about AVERAGES, and there are lots of exceptions to any oft this.

@Cateater123

5 ай бұрын

​@@daniron221lol , who doesn't

For me, it comes down to the fact that female singers are often so beautiful, and they pursue perfection; the attention to detail is insane. They are not just singers but also visual artists.

@jonnyharvey

7 ай бұрын

yeah the visuals greatly enhance the whole experience. They change how you relate to the music 😀

@magical-soap5359

7 ай бұрын

So true, we admire the beauty and glamour they can bring! They just hit a major sweet spot for us. ❤😅

@imalwaysright

6 ай бұрын

@daniele.3361why are you here? 🤨

Mariah meant the world to me as a young gay man. “Looking In”, “Close My Eyes”, “Outside”, “Make It Happen” and “Anytime You Need a Friend” made me feel seen and supported.

@providence9481

7 ай бұрын

For real.

@jonnyharvey

7 ай бұрын

that's good to hear. I got into her around Butterfly album around 1997. Outside & CME were the songs I was thinking of in the video.

@joshuarodriguez9477

7 ай бұрын

Her songrwiting, vocal creativy and artistry are unparalleled. Mariah is amazing

@Patrick3183

7 ай бұрын

lol Mariah is so boring

@UltimateAwe

7 ай бұрын

@@Patrick3183 if by boring you mean beloved, then yeah, hella boring

I think as a gay man myself, I've aways admired the combination of femininity and strength. It extends to people who aren't pop stars. Judge Judy is one of my biggest role models. I think it's a reminder that for a group of men who don't fit in with "bro" culture and may be more interested in feminine things, that it doesn't make you weak. For me, Madonna will always be the ultimate example of that because of her strength and quite frankly her rudeness. The combination of grit and glamour.

@jonnyharvey

7 ай бұрын

yes that's true. There are also non-musical divas, icons like Oprah. That's cool JJ & Madonna inspire you in that way. My mother loves JJ 😀

@magical-soap5359

7 ай бұрын

​@@kalil_silvaDefinitely agree on bro culture, that is way too exhausting 😞

@burni988

7 ай бұрын

Yesss admiring feminity and strength is such a good way to put it. I never thought of it that way but that makes my love of female fighters in fighting games make more sense.

@dan_leo

6 ай бұрын

Totally agree, it's the same for me. Madonna is feminine and strong and fierce at the same time. She incorporates all the characteristics that society attributes on the one hand to women and on the other to men, subverting all traditional canons.

Though Britney has never been as outspoken as Lady Gaga, Madonna, or Beyonce on social issues, one of the main reasons why she will always be my main pop girl is because of how she reflected and represented her blossoming sexuality (and was scorned for it) through her art (music, music videos, performances, and magazine cover shoots). Everything about Britney served as a form of escapism for me; her art helped me escape my shame, and also seeing someone so young and unashamed to express her sexuality, empowered me to do the same. My appreciation for her continued to grow between 2006-2008. If you were an avid pop culture junky during that period, you'll fully comprehend how Britney was mocked by the media and public for literally everything - her mental health, body, parenting skills, fashion, etc. Then came the conservatorship and her loss of autonomy. While other gay icons exude self-possession, Britney's vulnerability and fragile resilience will forever make her the ultimate gay icon of the 21st century.

@basicelement

7 ай бұрын

Britney is a rare, unique and powerful pop artist. I love her so much and I hope she will find the way to rule the music world again because she deserves it. I really miss her.

@nathanielism395

7 ай бұрын

Amen❤

@jonnyharvey

7 ай бұрын

thanks for this. She's been through so much.

@GM-dp3ef

7 ай бұрын

Britney spears is the reason i got into dancing around 05-07

@Ciclopea2

7 ай бұрын

I think she acknowledged her gay fans in her memoir, which i think is so sweet, she's a sweetheart and kind to everyone, and was taken advantage of for exactly that, i love her.

I came out as gay, when I was 12 years old and that was the same year I became a Madonna fan. 1991 I watched her film "In Bed with Madonna" and that was my celebration to realize, that Madonna was my leader. She spoke about homosexuality and said, it was okay. For me as a 90s-teenage boy, that was my relief.

@jonnyharvey

7 ай бұрын

In 1991, seeing that kind of positive representation, I can understand why she means so much to you and other gay men

I think it's the theatrics, the drama, the creativity and artistic nature of it all.

@jonnyharvey

7 ай бұрын

😀

I think gay men don’t gravitate as much toward other gay male (or non-female) artists, partly because of internalised homophobia. Seeing an artist like Lil Nas X or Sam Smith being so open with their queerness, I think brings up uncomfortable feelings with some gay men that hit too close to home. Female artists can be a fantasy and something we adore but can’t fully understand because we aren’t women, but openly gay male artists don’t offer that same fantasy, and can remind us of our own struggles and lives too much. Just a theory but great video, rly interesting!

@jonnyharvey

7 ай бұрын

No I think that’s a really good point - thank for sharing. Maybe I should’ve included that. Thanks for your kind words 😀

@Micah_Coatha

7 ай бұрын

Freddy Mercury, Frank Ocean, Lil Nas X… most of their fans are straight men. Straight men are literally obsessed with Mercury lol. I really never understood it. But your comment were a good point.

@AnibalDMasso

7 ай бұрын

I don't think it's internalized homophobia. Concerning the classics (Freddy, Elton, etc) I don't like their music, it's not that I think it's bad, I just can't appreciate their music genres. With the new ones, I think of them as crushes, beauty or sex symbols since they are all attractive, but I feel nothing more. Since I'm I kid I have only admired strong females in movies, music, etc, and aspired to be like them. Men don't spark these feelings in me, no matter their sexual orientation, they have a different role in my heart/mind. Sometimes I hold on to this feeling to try to understand what a trans women must feel like, they might feel this way but 10x more.

@imalwaysright

6 ай бұрын

Are you putting those 2 artists on the same level as legendary divas mentioned in the video lol

@channeling764

6 ай бұрын

@@Micah_CoathaRicky Martin also has a huge straight male fan base in Latin America. I never understood that.

I’m a gay man & I think it comes with them being so fierce, empowered, unapologetic of who they are, having so much confidence etc.

@jonnyharvey

7 ай бұрын

well put

@tula1433

7 ай бұрын

It’s interesting how gay men don’t look for masculine/man role models who are empowered and unapologetic. Almost like gay men feel uncomfortable in their own masculinity. My gay coworker says he hates being called bro or buddy because it’s “too masculine” which is interesting. Gays love to be fabulous and camp and break gender roles UNTIL it comes to dating then suddenly they want a masculine straight acting man to let them be the “girl” of the relationship. Very heteronormative. Gay men need to be told it’s okay to be men and embrace it.

@willfeen

7 ай бұрын

@@tula1433I think you may have missed the mark. A lot of powerful female performers wholeheartedly embody feminine and masculine energy. Almost all of them do, actually. That is much more relatable to non-straight men, who do the same. The great big male performers do not wholly embody both masculine and feminine energies (with very few exceptions like Prince, who is actually counted among the “divas”). If they did, they would lose their stature and be mocked. So, male stars are not so relatable-actually, they are the opposite of relatable, reminding a gay man of a time in his own life, perhaps, when he felt similarly restricted and ONLY embodied the masculine. What do you think?

@themonsterwithin4000

7 ай бұрын

@@tula1433 You’re putting the gay community in a box like we’re all femmes. Also name 3 male artists that are masculine and apologetic please. I’ll wait.

@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024

7 ай бұрын

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@tula1433Gay Men like Prince, MJ, Luther Vandross. I think they like male figures. But you ate them Tf up with the dating part!

Thank you for this! I love a lot of the Divas featured here but a huge, heartfelt shout-out to Debbie Harry, Grace Jones, Kate Bush, Siouxsie Sioux, Kim Wilde, Annie Lennox, Bananarama, Joan Jett, Sade, Bjork, Jody Watley, and Sinead O'Connor for their music and creativity and it's impact on me and other LGBTQ+ Gen X'ers coming up in the 80's!😎😎

@jaredgenova2228

7 ай бұрын

I thought of the alt gals as well. Gonna throw Tori Amos and PJ Harvey in here. This was a very well done video. I am literally wearing a Janet shirt with her from the Together Again video as I type this.

@poindexterjones206

7 ай бұрын

My personal favorites are Joan Jett, Pat Benatar, Debbie Harry, Chrissie Hynde, and Shirley Manson.

@jonnyharvey

7 ай бұрын

I didn't really include the alternative divas. But then I don't know much about them really. I spent three weeks on the video & I did the best I could. It was a lot of work. I never said the video was conclusive.

@stevenduvall2549

7 ай бұрын

I love EVERY ONE of those groundbreaking women for very different reasons! Great list!

@KIZZABERRY

7 ай бұрын

@@jonnyharveyI don’t think that anyone is pulling into question the quality of the video or the work that you very clearly put into this. You did a great job and I really enjoyed it. I think that, given the context and subject matter of the video, they just wanted to pay homage in their own way to the Divas that mean a lot to them and got them through tough times. The relationship between a gay and their chosen Diva/s is a very unique and special one and so a video that talks about that is bound to bring up emotions and feelings of gratitude towards them. I don’t think anybody was actually complaining that their faves weren’t brought up or mentioned, of course you can’t talk about ALL of them. So please don’t feel like anybody is invalidating the time and work you put into this because you did awesome!

I know this is about pop divas but I have to add Princess Diana. She fits the bill: Personal struggles, public ridicule, feeling like an outlander, glamor, good looks.

@jonnyharvey

7 ай бұрын

I mentioned her as a gay ally. But yes you're right - there are also non-musical divas.

@KingBuddha84

7 ай бұрын

@@jonnyharvey This video was fantastic. Master-class work.

@jonnyharvey

7 ай бұрын

@@KingBuddha84 thank you

Mariah is everything. Her music is inspiring and was like one big hug that helped calmed me down, when I dealt with the pain of coming out. She’s my happy place. Lesser known songs from her that are empowering are “Runway” and “100%”. Also the song Butterfly is a masterpiece!

@jonnyharvey

7 ай бұрын

That’s so nice to hear 😀 me too

@noomanemrf1379

6 ай бұрын

Mariah is the queen of the music industry ❤

@channeling764

6 ай бұрын

I was never into Mariah until I she released Emancipation of Mimi…that is an amazing album.

@ElkahJones

6 ай бұрын

Runway is sooooooo underrated! I relate to it so much!

MADONNA SAVED MY LIFE, IM ONLY JUST 21. I APPRECIATE HER PAST CONTRIBUTION TO THE GAY COMMUNITY. SHE IS THE EPITOME OF A LGBT ICON. i watched all her documentaries, she deserves the throne as the biggest female LGBT icon of all time!!! You must watch all her documentaries about her speaking to the LGBT communities. No one comes close to her contribution. She deserves respect!!! I am young but i truly appreciate her! A TRUE QUEEN!

@jonnyharvey

7 ай бұрын

Nice to hear she's had such a positive impact on you 😀

@user-tk4gr9zo7t

7 ай бұрын

Madonna forever ❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥

As Dua Lipa said in one of her songs “I know you aren’t used to a female alpha!” Have not watched the vidoe yet but this is my take. I think female pop “divas” have a unique blend of masculine and feminine qualities. They are outwardly feminine but their presence is dominant and assertive. That’s why I believe gay man are attracted to these amazing women. Many of us are also a unique mix of masculine and feminine qualities. With the fem being the more outward appearance but the masculine is still there, right under the surface.

@wattle2394

7 ай бұрын

Agree

@Fr0zenPeanut

7 ай бұрын

Exactly, female artists usually show a mix of strength and vulnerability.

And as a very bi woman I loooovvve gay men because I absolutely love all the divas and love their love for the divas ❤

@michaelstephen8274

7 ай бұрын

We love you

@Angelwittaknife420

7 ай бұрын

As a bisexual trans man gay men always made me feel welcomed and loved

Whitney Houston’s introduction to the world was so memorable. She was so majestic and regal not to mention that voice. I endeared to her more for her struggles. Rest In Power Queen ❤

@jonnyharvey

7 ай бұрын

Whitney/Nippy was a real life angel. That voice, that beauty 🙌🙌🙌 Rip ❤️

Madonna and Kylie will always be my queens because I always felt they were on my side.

@jonnyharvey

7 ай бұрын

😀😀

One curious phenomena here in Brazil was the rise of Drag Singers. Unlike the USA drag race girls the dragqueens became nationwide household names and main artists in the market. Pabllo Vittar broke the bubble and the year she had her breakthrough she was probably the most spoken about artist her songs K.O. was the most succesful song of the year 2017 and Corpo Sensual was just another massive mega-hit in the following year. Her popularity is dwindling year by year and she doesn't make those stream numbers again (hundreds of millions), but she is still a household name and her fanbase is truly very, very strong online. The same goes for Gloria Groove, she was the artist of the year 2022 in Brazil, her single "A Queda" about cancel culture was the biggest song of the year, she had consistent success for her "Lady Leste" album, great critic reviews (and she actually really sings) and became a household name that performs the major festivals in the country and has a huge following, though she built her success little by little with over a dozen successful singles before becoming mainstream. The gays LOVE THEM, they are true divas, just like Anitta, Marilia Mendonça, Iza, Ludmilla, maybe bigger than some of them, with stronger fanbases. They are the first case in Brazil where gay men became true divas and have been almost fully embraced by the gays. There are also a few drag singers like Lia Clark, Potiguara Bardot, Kaya Conky that didn't become mainstream, but are still very successful in the bubble of the LGBTQIAPN+ community.

@lyadefernanda8270

6 ай бұрын

Amo a Gloria, quero que ela cresça mais e mais

I do think there are exceptions about the identification with just women. Seeing Elton John wrap an entire stadium around his finger at age 75 - with so much energy and power when he shouldn’t even be alive he’s survived so damn much - is the single most powerful concert experience I’ve ever had. Let’s not get started on what he’s done to fight AIDS, the trails he has blazed, his hard-fought battle to find happiness and authenticity, all the while churning hit after hit for decades. There’s also his fierce protectiveness of Gaga, and of many younger artists in general. He is definitely in the pantheon of hallowed divadom in my eyes - and he wears the feather boa proudly!

@davidmorris8319

7 ай бұрын

Definitely agree on Elton! But he seems to be the exception, sadly. Like, why isn't Adam Lambert as popular? What about Troye Sivan, or Lil Nas X (who is the biggest of the new generation, but nowhere near the status of Icons like Elton, Madonna, Gaga etc.)? There seem to be very few out and proud gay artists who get embraced by the gay community in the same way these iconic women are

@rudypalma1250

7 ай бұрын

@@davidmorris8319 Thanks for the reply. Who knows? Maybe that will change. You’re absolutely right, though, that he is the exception. I think if Freddie Mercury hadn’t succumbed to AIDS he would be standing alongside Elton in this regard. Even though he wasn’t gay, I think it’s important to point out that Tony Bennett championed many considered outsiders, including gay artists he collaborated with (his signature song was written by a gay couple) and that he was a true friend to Judy Garland and later to Lady Gaga. He’s certainly an ally who deserves acknowledgement. His heart was always pure, and that showed in his work and in his actions. He walked the walk. He’d be a considerable ally even if he hadn’t lasted long enough to shepherd Gaga through tough times and begin a friendship with her that touched us all.

@wattle2394

7 ай бұрын

And has always been adored by straight guys 🙃 (along with everyone else). He's amazing.

Big fan of your work. You always make sure to mention my diva, Janet Jackson as I feel like she gets kept out of these conversations far too frequently given her impact.

@bryanalstoncoxing

7 ай бұрын

Yes she’s still highly highly underrated, whereas her music has aged like a fine wine. She’s definitely a pop star that was really ahead of her time in many regards I’m glad that Gen Z is discovering her and thinks she’s really cool

@imalwaysright

6 ай бұрын

She needs to be mentioned more

Since i can remember, I have been in love with Mariah. I remember listening to hero on the radio as a lil gay boy who was being bullied in school and misunderstood at home and it was like she was speaking to me. Because of her vocal prowess, she is a true diva and combined with her old school Hollywood glamour and moments of camp… she’s everything.

@ignazs.5816

7 ай бұрын

As much as many people dislike her, I truly do admire her. She's everything.

As a growing Latinx Gay man my diva was Shakira. Sad there's not visuals of her at all even tho she dedicated She Wolf to all the queer community invitings us to come out of the closet 🤷🏻‍♂️. Video Idea Suggestion: Maybe if possible try to explore Latinx divas impact in the world. From Selena, Gloria Stefan, Soraya Lamilla, Shakira, Jlo, even Xtina.

@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024

7 ай бұрын

She Wolf was for the queer community?? I thought it was about women?

@diegojaviersj

6 ай бұрын

He ignored everything Xtina 😂

@channeling764

6 ай бұрын

The term Latinx is hugely despised in the Latin community. It’s so cringe.

@henrique.2975

6 ай бұрын

​@@channeling764if u think so

@channeling764

6 ай бұрын

@@henrique.2975 ask any actual Latin living in Latin America. Go ahead I encourage you.

Special shout-out to Dame Shirley Bassey 👏🏻 I think she’s often overlooked in America. Born in the 30’s to a working class family to mixed race parents, she’s been serving powerhouse vocals and top notch glam still at the age of 86 👏🏻👏🏻

@jonnyharvey

7 ай бұрын

Yes she’s an old school diva. I never said the video was conclusive. Maybe I should’ve included her?

@RBS_

7 ай бұрын

...OH MY GOD! ....I made an extensive list of Divas, and I actually set Shirley aside for special recognition....and, I FORGOT to add her! .....THANK YOU, for the special 'shout-out!'

@SallyWilliams

7 ай бұрын

Shirley Bassey & (not to forget !) Liza Minnelli were my icons when I was young searching for my identity somewhere between male & female. Liza's epic role in Cabaret as Sally Bowles, the girl in a love triangle with 2 bisexual men, released in 1972

@willfeen

7 ай бұрын

she is fantastic. her rendition of Goldfinger is supernatural ands SO campy and dramatic

I am a gay man and after watching this video I have to say something: Madonna = The Queen 👑 😄

@luisellitto1180

7 ай бұрын

I am also a gay man and for me it's lady gaga 😂madonnas great tho💕

@joey5952

7 ай бұрын

Seeing her in March, I’m excited! 🥲

@luisellitto1180

7 ай бұрын

@joey5952 ooh nice have fun from the bits I've seen on the Internet looks like a great show 👍

@luisellitto1180

7 ай бұрын

I wish gaga would do a worldwide 'eras tour' 🤣😭

@basicelement

7 ай бұрын

​@@joey5952I am jealous 😢

Donna Summer was the woman who owned her sexuality and it was powerful. She made people believe it was okay to be expressive. When she renewed her faith in God, it was to keep herself grounded, as she sometimes didn't know what city she was waking up in. They would give her pills to wake her up and pills to help her sleep. She found herself in a hotel room alone in a skyscraper, and as she was stepping out of the window, her heel got caught on the cord used to draw the drapes, and as she struggled to free her heel, the door opened and in walked maid service. Their eyes locked on each other, not knowing what to say. But, the timing of that woman saved Donna's life. As she told Act Up, the aggressive AIDS activists in a letter, that she didn't turn away from us, her gay fans, but we turned away from her. I don't think she understood that a lot of gay people have feelings about religion, in that religion has been a major cause for families disowning their gay kids. In the early 1990s I worked for the photographer who did Donna's Bad Girls album, On the Radio, There Goes My Baby, She Works Hard for the Money, and many more... Harry Langdon, Jr., son of silent screen star Harry Langdon, and I got to knew her very well. When she signed her book for me, she signed it, "Love Mom". She was an amazing friend and I loved her and her husband, Bruce, and her sister Mary Ellen, and it was devastating when she passed away. But, she left me with a lot of photos, tokens and memories, and a silver keychain from a Beverly Hills jewelry store that says my name on one side, and Love, Donna on the other. I was in the room with her when she did an interview and she told how one of her earliest friends as little girl was a gay boy. She said she had always had gay friends in her life, and people she worked with, and that she would have gay friends until the day she dies... the press release of her passing, on behalf of the family, was from a long time gay, mutual friend, who became an rep. for many artists. Also, her long-time attorney, who I sat next to at a TV taping. Donna's husband on my left, and her attorney and his younger boyfriend. When the homophobic story came out about Donna, the people around her kept it from her because they thought no one would believe it anyway and it would blow over. It wasn't until a general notice went out to much of the talent with William Morris Agency for acts to perform for an AIDS Benefit in NY that Donna found out about the scandal. When Donna read the notice of the benefit, she immediately said she would do it. But, those in charge of the benefit, declined. When Donna asked why? That's when she was told. She was beside herself with grief, and she terminated two professional relationships over it, and it took many years for them to reconcile. It may have played a part in her leaving Casablanca Records and going to Geffen. And, when NY Magazine printed the story as though it were true, she sued. Investigations were launched, and scores of people interviewed. It was around this time that her gay best friend/little brother, Paul Jabara, passed away. I saw Donna right after she had seen Paul. When she walked into the studio, she kissed me on the lips, gave me a quick hug and went to her dressing room. I stopped her assistant and asked, "What's wrong?" I could tell immediately. Her assistant explained they had just left Paul Jabara's house and spent about 1.5 hours there. She said when they arrived, Donna went into Paul's bedroom alone and closed the doors behind her. A friend and William Morris contract agent told me there was a stained-glass window in paul's bedroom, above the main bedroom windows, of a giant penis. lol. Anyway, Donna remained with Paul that entire time and when she came out her assistant could tell Donna had cried. I asked, What can I do? And, she told me there was nothing I could do, other than to be myself with her. She said that Donna is really strong and she will be able to set it aside so we can do the photoshoot, but she will likely have more tears at home talking to her husband. Donna did snap out of it, she did tell me she had been at Paul's house, and that he wasn't doing well. Donna told me that she knew a lot of gay men who had died, and it was heartbreaking. She said, these were really beautiful men. I mean, really beautiful, inside and out, gorgeous men. And, they're gone.

@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024

7 ай бұрын

Good lord I love Donna Summers so much!😭💖

@tonynegron1927

7 ай бұрын

👍 Donna was/is my favorite "Diva". 🌹 We ♡ & miss you Donna! 🇺🇸 🏳️‍🌈 🇵🇷

@adrianpalomo4991

7 ай бұрын

Man I hope this is all true. So lovely. And I love Donna!! I was in tears reading this.

Mariah Carey’s songwriting saved my life, multiple times! It still does.

@ITHINKDAFUCKNOTYOUTRICKASSBITC

6 ай бұрын

Mariah doesn't write. she sings over somebody elses song aka samples

Gay icons are something I like to think about randomly and I definitely always think that there are several archetypes of pop divas that end up being considered gay icons. Like there are "underdogs" like Carly Rae Jepsen who aren't that popular in the mainstream but are still really cool/talented, "tragic figures" like Judy Garland or Whitney Houston who suffered a lot during their lives, and "final girls" like Madonna, Janet Jackson, Beyonce, Cher, Mariah, who overcome the misogyny, racism, etc that the industry throws at them to become legends (I think everyone who ends up having longevity and come to be considered legends end up being considered final girls). There are other archetypes like kooky girls are really weird and creative like Gaga or Grace Jones, and chaotic girls are just... messy (like Elizabeth Taylor or Ariana these days lol) but I think all of these are relatable to a lot of us or we might have really connected with each of these at some point. I also think there’s a difference between being liked by the gays and being a "gay icon”. Like artists like Taylor Swift or Adele might be liked by us but I think Ariana for example is considered more of a gay icon than them; she has a few songs that are considered gay anthems, she’s openly supported us, and I think the bombing at her concert along with what was going on in her personal life a few years ago might’ve put her in the tragic figure category (even if she's moved out of that now). It also helps if they’re able to be easily imitated by drag queens 💅

@jonnyharvey

7 ай бұрын

thanks for those insights - interesting to hear

@klouns3369

7 ай бұрын

Such a good point to distinguish divas liked by gay men vs divas that are considered Gay Icons™️ to gay men. Very thin line.

@onedollarbleach6891

7 ай бұрын

Female singer ≠ Diva…. Every female singer ain’t a diva ☕️🐸

@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024

7 ай бұрын

Nicki Minaj and Cardi B are in Final Girls/Chaotic Girls. Sadly Ariana is MESSY!😭😂

@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024

7 ай бұрын

@@klouns3369Thank you, like not every Female Mainstream Artist is a Gay Icon and I hate how they call Taylor or Adele Gay icons. Like no. 😭

As a gay man, Beyoncé will always be my inspiration of never letting anyone ever push you to what should make you happy and to always grow and own your craft and for her music! I’ve personally get attached to her songs because of the heartbreaks and how to comeback fiercely asf! Not letting anyone play you.

@jonnyharvey

7 ай бұрын

that's nice to hear she's had such a positive impact on your life 😀 She is a pretty great role model to have

As a cis man, I found this quiet informational. But just like we all have our "heroes" and "inspirational figures," do beware. Trying to look up to a false sense of beauty or idea can itself be toxic, and this goes to anyone. Be it gay, straight, lesbian, trans, or bi. To some extent we need to live in the "real world," and can't fantasize too much about "perfection," or else we are trapped in a loop of depression, low self-esteem, and paranoia. Leave your idols just like what they are, idols. A fantasy, but never strive to be like them, because they don't show their lows, imperfections, and weaknesses. Even though some people might seem like they "worked hard to where they got," when you actually do a deep study a lot of that road was paved with privilege, connections, or status that to the "normal" person is simply unobtainable. At the end of the day, of course don't live a dull life and enjoy it to the fullest. And if you want to live in a fantasy or ideal, that is totally ok. Just be aware that sometimes "perfections" are a lie and be ready to confront this blow if you ever become aware of it.

@magical-soap5359

7 ай бұрын

You wrote the best words here! You deserve a diamond 💎

@klouns3369

7 ай бұрын

Very true! It’s also important to remember that putting a pressure for them (divas/ idols) to live up to the pedestal “we” place them on could bring more stress onto them and at the end of the day they are human just like us. That’s an unfair expectation for any one person to live up to. Great comment!

@SallyWilliams

7 ай бұрын

@yrazu05 And that's where you are wrong ! Judy Garland, Liza Minnelli, Joan Collins, Cher, Whitney Houston, Tina Turner, Bette Davis, Britney Spears & more, were never just a perfect veneer. They had their share of struggles & heartbreak, had to overcome a lot. That's why they are so inspirational. And some of them even didn't make it, as we all know.

@yrazu05

7 ай бұрын

@SallyWilliams I won't take away people's personal struggles since we all go through the same feelings. But comparing your struggles to a movie star or celebrity, again is fictitious and takes you down a path of low self-esteem. Can't compare what's considered "poor" in 3rd world countries to what is considered "poor" in first world nations. Can't compare your financial struggles to that of a billionaire. Yes, we all go through the same or similar feelings, which I empathize with, but the situation is different, and the struggle is not the same. Realizing this makes you take control of your situation. Yes, others can serve as inspiration, but reality needs to be set in place, and you need to realize that it won't be for you like it was for them so you need to take charge.

@canesugar911

7 ай бұрын

Whats the point of your epistle? 🙄

This was an INCREDIBLE video essay. You're doing the lord's work

@jonnyharvey

7 ай бұрын

I think so 😂😂 A lot of Christians wouldn't agree, but I don't care what they think 💁‍♀

Biggest favor Madonna ever did to me was when she released Erotica album... which came out when I was 18. By talking openly about sex and her fantasies she made me realize I had to break that desire/sin circle I was drowning in. Living in a country even today being gay still gets a huge negative reaction, I needed someone to turn to. You know when people feel down and desperate they turn to their families, friends or religion... but we were robbed from them... family and friends were loving someone they see on the surface not real us... or me in that case. With every people saying you are a sinner and God even want you to not exist you feel so alone... Then came those divas, even with their handicaps they were glamorous and strong which they lend me part of it with their songs or works. Maybe in a sense they became my own religion which mold me, made me more comfortable in my skin and most importantly made me accept myself as who I am. Thanks so much for your wonderful video.

@willujames4989

7 ай бұрын

I was 21 when Erotica came out when I lived in Dallas. OMG, the whole album (the raw and bitter and bittersweet) perfect timing. This is my favourite Madonna release.

I have this conversation with a friend all time and he gave me an amazing reason: we as gay men don't sexualize them, we can see her real talent; in the other hand we can find shelter in them, like a mother figure.

@jonnyharvey

2 ай бұрын

Yes they can sometimes be like maternal, surrogate mothers. I think I read that theory somewhere before.

Divas are the peak of every art form. Message, Fashion, Music, Image, Video... They are everything and more!

@jonnyharvey

6 ай бұрын

Damn right 💁‍♀️

I’ve been thinking about this question for years, and I think you’ve presented it so beautifully. I love your channel 🩵

@jonnyharvey

7 ай бұрын

thank you 😀🙏

Lots of valid, well-thought-out points that made too much sense! Thanks for creating this essay. ❤

@jonnyharvey

7 ай бұрын

😀🙏

Love this content! Thank you for pulling it together. Some interesting points that I never fully processed before. Happy to see these women get the acknowledgment they deserve ❤

@jonnyharvey

7 ай бұрын

Thank you 😀

That Matthew Todd quote hit the nail on the hammer for me. Beyonce's music was my escape, I loved her songs since I was 10 years old growing up in the 2000s. Her music to me was liberation and freedom of expression, her love songs showed me the beauty of being vulnerable and in love. I thought her art was so beautiful, how could you possibly hide your love for her, it must be celebrated and cherished, it must be shared, unapologetically. Everyone around me immediately knew I was a stan before stan was a thing. As an adult, I recently realized that it was just a mirror for my sexuality. Something I had to hide about myself, I never did with my love for her and her music. What Lemonade was for women, Renaissance was for queer people. Her music feels personal, whether she wrote the material herself, or performed it vocally, it comes off as authentic, and anyone who doesn't like her deep down hates women and is homophobic.

@jonnyharvey

7 ай бұрын

she is an incredible talent. A phenomenal performer. Born to do it.

@Patrick3183

7 ай бұрын

Beyonce isn’t for gays.

@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024

7 ай бұрын

I love how Black Ppl in general are obsessed with Beyoncé. 😂 It comes early or later in life. She’s the queen.

For me, as a gay man, I think it’s always been the music. Usually, it’s pop divas that make empowering music that connects with my struggles as a gay person. Male pop stars usually make love songs, so it’s hard to connect with them as an artist, and openly gay men artists aren’t pushed until recently.

@jonnyharvey

7 ай бұрын

yeah their music hits differently for me too.

@quanashiab.9620

7 ай бұрын

A Brony here too!? Yesss, MLP G4 fans unite!

We love divas because in 1991 Mariah carey told the world that “you’re avoiding my gays💅” I mean *gaze and since then she’s owned us and protected our interests 😂

@jonnyharvey

7 ай бұрын

Really - do you have a link?

@RBS_

7 ай бұрын

.....'tis true about Mariah...but ANOTHER unsung Diva mentioned her 'Gays' in 1991, when it was still VERY risque to do so....Dance Club Singer *CECE PENISTON* embraced her Gay Fans on an "Entertainment Tonight" segment when her classic "Finally" was crossing over to the Pop charts...ONE MONTH before Mariah's comment!

@morris5190

7 ай бұрын

@@jonnyharveyno it’s a joke, it’s a lyric from Mariah’s song Vanishing.

@dantan1249

7 ай бұрын

@@jonnyharvey look up “if it’s over” by Mariah Carey. I like the live version at the Grammys.

My Uncle grew up in the 50’s, a black gay man. Dorothy Dandridge and Eartha Kitt were his Divas

Divas have always had a loyal gay following. I always thought it was the glamor, struggles, heartbreak that divas go through that appeals to gays.

I'm a Whitney Madonna Janet Gaga fanatic; they are all hard workers in a cut throat business so i respect their work.

@jonnyharvey

7 ай бұрын

I love all four of them

@bryanalstoncoxing

7 ай бұрын

I love that Whitney, Madonna and Janet were all pretty much at their peaks right at the same time and all dominating in their respective lanes The 2008-2012 era had the similar wave of gay divas like Gaga, Rihanna, Katy, Beyonce etc all reach global domination right at the same time

I’ve always had a complicated relationship with this question and in fact initially skipped to the part about why not male stars. Freddie Mercury, Elton John, George Michael may have been closeted at the peak of their careers but now that there is that acceptance, why not elevate them within the culture that a) we now know their sexuality and b) know they were successful but based on their genuine talent, not their sexual orientation? I recall in my 20’s learning that there were many rockstars that were either bi or gay such as Green Day’s Billie Joe Armstrong, Panic at the Disco’s Brendan Urie or Judas Priest’s Rob Halford and was incredibly comforted to learn this. :)

@kevinrentz8773

7 ай бұрын

It's because female pop stars are still a better escape. Lil Nas, etc. Music just isn't that good to me. 🤷🏾‍♂️😩 I preferred Sam Smith old music. He new era now runs the risk of being "try hard." Freddie, George, Elton, and Luther Vandross showmanship feels natural. I think Troye Sivan comes the closest. But his music is for teens and maybe 20 & 30 ages. I don't see 40 and 50 year old gays loving his music.

@jonnyharvey

7 ай бұрын

I didn't know they were bi or gay

@capitalpulse1

7 ай бұрын

@@jonnyharveyI find that their exposure can be general (Billie Jo has mentioned it over the years in interviews, Brendan Mentions it in song (boys, girls, girls). Rob I only learned cause a friend of mine, also gay, listens to a lot of metal and classic rock. But it’s kind of making my point that perhaps it’s based on wanting to viewed as a musician that identified by one’s sexuality. And then there were those that openly flirted with it and made it obvious by being overted sexual beings, like David Bowie. It’s entirely subjective but I found my own strength in male artists (gay or straight) but still have an appreciation for female acts, especially ones who play up their sexuality like Kylie, Rihanna and Britney.

@capitalpulse1

7 ай бұрын

@@kevinrentz8773Fair call. I never wanted to “escape” through music. I do enough of that in my personal life. I want to feel strength and empowered and I find acts that are male are instantly relatable, even when they show vulnerability in their music. PS: I’m loving Troye Sivan’s new album and I’m almost 40. It’s unabashedly sexual, the way Adam Lambert tried 15 years ago.

@SallyWilliams

7 ай бұрын

You provided the answer ! They were closeted and no inspiration at all, unlike Boy George

Shakira is also a huge powerhouse that was left out of the video. For gay men in Latin America she has been big icon since the 90s. She also comes from a humble beginning and had to fight for Latin music to be played on American radio

@fanstastic83

7 ай бұрын

But she doesn't pay taxes 😂 j/k

@jonnyharvey

7 ай бұрын

maybe I should've included her. I don't know that much about her. Sorry

@RBS_

7 ай бұрын

....AND, let's add THE game changer, *SELENA* (Queen Of Tex-Mex) , that became the FIRST Mexican Woman to have a multi-Platinum Album. and chart in the USA Top Ten Album chart ("Dreaming Of You") , who OPENED the Doors for Shakira, et al......

@fernandorobles

7 ай бұрын

@@jonnyharvey it’s ok! I loved your video, good analysis on a social phenomenon. Madonna and Lady Gaga have been the most vocal on gay rights I believe !

@channeling764

6 ай бұрын

@@RBS_she didn’t open the doors for Shakira. Stop sanctifying her.

Mary J. Blige’s story just resonated with me so much as a child because we grew up similar situations. She fought. Clawed her way out of it. That’s what I’m doing now.

@jonnyharvey

7 ай бұрын

I don't know that much about Mary J. But I know her voice is incredible and she seems like a lovely woman 😀

@MauricioSierraM.

4 ай бұрын

It's funny because we as gay men always find a diva to admire in the genre we like. I grew up listening CCM and my divas were Stacie Orrico and Rachael Lampa, then I started loving R&B music and my divas were Mary J, Brandy, Aaliyah.

Loved this video Johnny, as a gay man I’ve never heard these ideas articulate so well, but hearing you say it makes so much sense ❤️💕

@jonnyharvey

7 ай бұрын

thanks - glad you liked it 😀

I absolutely LOVE my pop divas so much, and your video is meticulously researched and amazingly presented, but I also want to point out how, for another sizeable segment of gay men, women in rock and metal are also total icons for us, like Amy Lee of Evanescence, Hayley Williams, Cristina Scabbia, Sharon den Adel, Floor Jansen etc. Amy Lee means so much to me because growing up in a household where my father always played HIS rock music, Amy was a revelation for me because she made me feel like I had a home in rock and metal music (she introduced me to love those genres that I now love so much), genres that have often made us feel alienated despite gay men like Robert Halford being loved by straight men. She took the testosterone-fueled rock and nu-metal scene of the 2000s and spun it on its head, injecting unabashed femininity and a sense of mysterious beauty, and a profound sense of strength through vulnerability that few artists can replicate with an infectious combination of her feminine soaring vocals and crashing guitars and balladry which is so cathartic to me. Like many of the divas you mentioned, she has had to overcome so much. She was always the choir nerd and always felt like she didn’t fit in growing up in rural Arkansas; she was shy and introverted. When she got signed, she had to fight so hard for her artistic integrity, with the label wanting her to have a full-time male rapper, which would have been awful. She refused to cave in, and she packed up everything to go back home to Arkansas with tears in her eyes, her dreams crushed. Luckily, the label finally agreed to have her as long as Bring Me to Life had the rap. She had bottles thrown at her at metal and rock festivals because she was one of the only women in the entire game at that time. She lost her younger sister in her childhood and lost her brother to complications from epilepsy. She has constantly had music executives tell her that her style of music wouldn’t work and proved them wrong with Fallen. She’s had constant unfair genre labels and stereotypes put on her (the “goth girl”) and was pressured to sexualize herself when she didn’t want to. Bro culture telling her she is not rock or metal enough. Her ex and songwriting partner, Ben Moody, was abusive, and her relationship with Shaun Morgan imploded in the public eye. Her baby and band Evanescence have had many lineup changes because she has had to fight so hard to make music how she wanted to as the primary songwriter. Her music often talks about feeling trapped, grief, and a profound sense of loss. For me, divas like Kylie are my angels of light, but Amy is my angel of darkness. She talks about the other side of the coin. The mental health struggles (Lithium), the pitfalls of fame (Everybody’s Fool), getting wronged by men (Going Under, Call Me When You’re Sober), questioning whether you are even worthy of love (Good Enough, Bring Me to Life), the loss of loved ones (Hello, Like You), male victims of sex trafficking (My Heart is Broken), pure escapism (Imaginary, What You Want) and struggling to navigate growing up Christian and with your worth in the eyes of God (Tourniquet). These things all resonate with me so much as an introverted gay man growing up in an unaccepting religious household. I love my metal and rock queens and my pop queens. THEY ALL ROCK!! Great video Jonny!

As an 8 year old back in 1988, I found Kylie, and I've been mesmerised ever since. She's been the constant in my life and oftentimes a place of joy when life wasn't that great.

Great video! I remember growing up idolizing Gaga❤. It’s good to know why! Love your channel btw

@jonnyharvey

7 ай бұрын

Thank you 😀 I love Gaga too. Looking forward to LG7 next year

Mariah Carey is THE DIva of the Divas.. she’s literally the definition of Diva and it’s thanks to her that we have Beyonce, Ariana ect… her discography is amazing and unmatched and her talent omg… for me she’s literally the greatest female artist ever and her Diva character ( because yes she’s not like this in real life ) is just perfection. I couldn’t possibly live without her musics.. Melt away, I am free, My saving Grace or even Crybaby, Thirsty or GTFO her songs really saved me when I was unwell

Im nearly 60, and Madonna and Kylie have been a constant and fabulous force for my whole adult life.....there is something comforting in that.....

I grew up a gay black kid in the early 2000s. I was one of very few brave enough to admit who i am and thats becsuse of madonna and Kylie. Both became representations of strength in my life. Both were bullied for one reason or another rather it was their talent, age, to what they wore and how much. Madonna with her mother dying and surviving in the streets of nyc trying to get a career to kylie fighting and beating cancer. Both have constantly reminded me if she can do it so can i and im also a stronger person for it. That and of course their music is why they are my top 2 icons. Donna Summer is the third. I never believed the rumors on her.

@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024

7 ай бұрын

You couldn’t look up to a…. Never mind!🥰

@brandonkylie3456

7 ай бұрын

@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024 Well I'm not racially ignorant or dumb to what madonna has done for the gay community with some from my own own was busy telling me I'm going to hell because I'm in love with someone of the same gender. But hey, people are ignorant to that you just showed you are one of them, but you know what? Never mind, God didn't put me on this earth to be a teacher to fools.

Donna Summer's Live And More concert album did it for me - calling out the gay men in her audience as she starts The Man I Love Gershwin ballad.

@pbohearn

7 ай бұрын

How could Donna Summer not even be mentioned in this list, the queen of disco?? Also, Linda Ronstadt and Joni Mitchell arent considered gay icons (Joni did get the lesbian love, however) but personally for me in my adolescence, they were key.

@RBS_

7 ай бұрын

@@pbohearn .....I agree, and I read Sir Johnny's statement about Donna not being considered 'Gay Icon' enough, in his research....Oh Baby, *THAT AIN'T TRUE!* ....Donna set the STANDARD!

I’ve loved all your videos yet this one spoke to me, the most, obviously 🥳🤩♥️ Thank you so much for all the hard work you’ve put into making these! You are truly exemplary.

@jonnyharvey

7 ай бұрын

thank you 😀🙏

Thanks for putting Madonna in THE MIDDLE of the thumbnail 🎯👑💐

Female artist are unapologetic and not afraid to express themselves (unlike male artist), something that we aspire to be is being unapologetically free.

@Fr0zenPeanut

7 ай бұрын

Yes, I love how female artists can be so open about everything; they can be beautiful, strong and vulnerable at the same time.

@jonnyharvey

7 ай бұрын

well put 😀

what an awesome video. thanks for sharing this it was thoroughly enjoyable and definitely on point all the way through.

@jonnyharvey

6 ай бұрын

Thank you 😀😀

I'm a different man since Christina Aguilera found me. Her music has helped me a lot and shaped me. Thank heaven female divas exists

@jonnyharvey

7 ай бұрын

That's lovely to hear. Her voice is incredible 🙌

@bioniXking

7 ай бұрын

@@jonnyharvey and the messages in her music, she's a transporter for strength, energy and sensuality

Mariah Carey Will Forever have a special place in my heart Her voice her music her presence her shade everything about her ......She was and is the soundtrack of my life and with her music she got me through many storms in my life . ❤❤ Anybody that comes for Mariah Carey you will instantly be on the chopping Block "DON'T COME FOR MARIAH CAREY IN MY PRESENCE IF YOU DON'T LIKE MARIAH CAREY THEN YOU HAVE NO TASTE IN MUSIC BECAUSE SHE IS MUSIC

Great video as always Jonny. Love the quality you always deliver ❤

@jonnyharvey

7 ай бұрын

thank you 😀😀

In the simplest terms, the gorls just give more. We love their talent, vulnerability, and overall expressiveness. Like the video states they provide an escape for us and we can see ourselves in their resilience and strength throughout all the adversity

@jonnyharvey

7 ай бұрын

Agreed 😀

@onedollarbleach6891

7 ай бұрын

@@jonnyharvey Amen 🙏🏾

@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024

7 ай бұрын

You are EVERYWHERE and I love it.

@onedollarbleach6891

7 ай бұрын

@@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024 Awwww it’s good to see you boo! I’m afraid it’s cuz I have no life 😭😘🫶🏾

VERY INTERESTING! I have actually wondered about this exact question for a while now!

@martindegn3777

2 ай бұрын

Thank yoooou

Amy Lee of Evanescence is my #1 gay icon because she is The Goddess of Imaginary Light. Amy Lee is very mature, artistic, in touch with her emotions, involved with other artists and lives in NYC which alongside San Francisco is Gay Heaven.

@notyoaveragesouthernmama5734

7 ай бұрын

I can't tell you how seen I feel with you commenting this. I ABSOLUTELY love my pop divas so much, but Amy is just the absolute icon for me because she embodies strength through vulnerability for me more than any artist (at least for me). Her melodic song structures coupled with driving guitars and soaring vocals, introspective songwriting, and how much she had to overcome (abusive relationships with Shaun and Ben, having to fight for artistic integrity even giving up everything because the label wanted a full-time male rapper, losing her younger sister at a young age, losing her brother from complications of epilepsy, dealing with unfair labels impressed upon her like "Christian" "Nu-metal" etc which fail to capture the entirety of her artistry etc. Growing up in an unaccepting Christian environment, her use of that kind of language in some of her songs like Tourniquet and the feeling of being trapped mean so much for me, or songs like Everybody's Fool that talk about the lies of the media etc.) She is my Snow White Queen and my dark angel

Nowadays I listen to rock music almost exclusively, but during my adolescence, for a time, pop music made by some of these women, and many others not mentioned in this video, was my refuge. Their struggles to break into and survive the entertainment industry, their life stories, formed this parasocial relationship I used to have. I don't listen to their music any more, but they still have special place in my heart when I think of me as a teenager. A few days ago nostalgia kicked in and I decided to purchase a ticket to see Madonna next April. I checked the setlist, and you'd better believe I'll be singing along with the crowd.

great video! thank you for using a picture from britney’s best looking era 😍👏

@jonnyharvey

6 ай бұрын

😀😀

This is so well done! Awesome video!

@jonnyharvey

7 ай бұрын

Thank you 😀

This is such a well researched and informative presentation. 👏 ❤

@jonnyharvey

7 ай бұрын

Thank you 😀

As a gay teenager in the 80s I discovered Madonna and she and her artistic approach helped me to understand better life, sex. I went to see her Celebration tour in November and I was crying silently in the dark watching her. Thank you Madonna ❤. She changed the world culturally for the better. However I like all the other singers mentioned or not. Don't put down a diva singer to bring yours. Appreciate them all.

Your research and video explanation is great !!! Thank you for that !!

@jonnyharvey

7 ай бұрын

Thank you - glad you liked it 😀

I absolutely love your videos. You explained our connection perfectly!

@jonnyharvey

7 ай бұрын

Thank you so much 😀😀

As a queer girl, I find this very interesting because we tend to obsess over and idolize male singers/actors the same way. It's not quite the same as queer men and their divas, but it's very similar. My theory is that it has something to do with having them as a friend we don't have in our real lives.

@jonnyharvey

7 ай бұрын

oh I wasn't really aware of that about queer women 🏳️‍🌈 yes I agree with that theory too.

@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024

7 ай бұрын

Ooo no are y’all’s idols?

@MrSandman_0981

7 ай бұрын

Same here. As a woman (bi) I always leaned to soft male artists

My divas i would say are Madonna , Gaga , JLO, Bey, Kylie Minogue and Xtina

This is actually super clever and interesting. Great video!

@jonnyharvey

7 ай бұрын

Thank you 😀

Because so many of them have embraced Us in ways that our countries, families and even other members of our community haven't... We also see the way they have to fight in the music industry and in their personal lives... And recognize the strength that it takes because we have to have similar strength❤

@jonnyharvey

7 ай бұрын

I agree 😀

There’s just something about the theatric standard female artists need to strive for in order to be recognized by the general public. That includes delivery/vocal ability, lyricism, authenticity, production, etc. I could recognize d-list female artists and confuse or just completely fail to recognize b-list artists and below.

By the way, I forgot to mention "I wanted to learn English so desperately in order to understand Madonna songs.I was like 10 years old or so. I was in a private school in Costa Rica but the English I lerned was basic not enough to understand" Open your❤" so I continued in high school, then at College with my English and during the process of learning, I was enyoing Madonna songs. I finally understood all her beauty written in her songs,like" Live to tell" n' "Frozen" Those songs among most of her music are a masterpiece. Thanks to her, I love English n' of course it made me stronger to be a happy homosexual guy in my beautiful country. 2:00

I loved this video, thank you for making it. Me as often I was bullied back in school because kids noticed I was different from the norm which I also noticed on my own self at early age. By the age of 16 I learned who I was and I was fine with it. Divas like Madonna, The Spice Girls and Britney Spears , Spoke to me through their music and fell in love with them because of everything they stand for. They shaped me who I am today, comforted me when nobody else did. Could escape from reality to the fantasy world ( I call it SpiceWorld ) . I forever grateful and stand by my favourites. ❤

Love your videos and I think you hit the nail on the head we just have good taste !🎉Love the divas x

@jonnyharvey

7 ай бұрын

Thank you 😀😀

My diva of choice is Joan Collins. I especially love 1970s Joan when she was doing a lot of B-movies. She was soo beautiful and still is.

@SallyWilliams

7 ай бұрын

But with Dynasty she became a gay icon. In the 80s we learned so much from Alexis.

@bryanalstoncoxing

7 ай бұрын

Yeah Alexis Carrington, Joan Crawford from Mommie Dearest, Cruella DeVil and more are all “gay divas” too They’re larger than life, glamorous, quick witted, powerful etc but also complex and tragic figures

Very well made video, love it✨

@jonnyharvey

7 ай бұрын

Thank you 😀😀

Thanks to blackpink, taylor swift and beyoncé for guiding me in the dark moments in my life

@jonnyharvey

7 ай бұрын

😀

Lil Kim is a gay ICON. especially in the 90s she loves the gays and the drag queens back in the day and still shows support until now!!!!

Tina Turner, Cher, Dolly Parton, the Spice Girls... you've mentioned all of my favourite and worshiped international divas but Cyndi Lauper which is another huge LGBT+ icon. Well I do agree with your last sentence: we do have better taste in music then the others 😎

Madonna 👑 Kylie and Dannii Minogue. George Michael as a man gay icon. My icons❤

This was very well made

@jonnyharvey

7 ай бұрын

Thank you 😀😀

What a fantastic video essay! I always pondered this question myself as a gay man. Why such intensity and passion we feel towards our divas? I knew one thing for sure. It's because we are inspired to emulate their unshakeable confidence in themselves and their skills. They know what their strengths are and utilize them perfectly. Which can only come from hours of hard work, practice, and determination. Magnetic and commanding stage presence that Diva's are required to have doesn't come magically. You study every single detail and facial expression tirelessly until it fits the image of the performance of your creative vision. That's pretty friggin cool.

@jonnyharvey

7 ай бұрын

Thank you - glad you liked it 😀 Yes their confidence & strength is definitely part of the attraction

Great video ! I loved your points and your delivery, thank you!

@jonnyharvey

7 ай бұрын

😀🙏

To me, it's Christina Aguilera ❤️ she has become my life since I was a teenager. She made me indeed escape the homophobic home and society I have grown up in

Very nice research ! Love it

@jonnyharvey

7 ай бұрын

Thank you 😀😀

What a beautiful video. Thank you.

@jonnyharvey

7 ай бұрын

Thank you 😀😀

I was born in 2001, i'm 21 years old. I grew up with Lady Gaga as my superhero, she made me feel like i wasn't the only weird kid who loved to sing and dance and that i had a space in this world like everybody else. I've grown up with her and now as an adult i'm still by her side as one of her little monsters, because she showed me what the unconditional love of a mother was truly like.

@pepinito3645

7 ай бұрын

i discovered her during quarantine and been my idol since then

@hitgirl-zj3lg

7 ай бұрын

Omg yes it's like the Madonna of this generation, she's always been so genuinely supporting of the lgbtq community. I was born in 2001 too! Absolutely love and admire gaga, she's elegant, smart, well-spoken, and one of the most talented artist. She's always been ahead of her time Ughh I'm in love with her

@anthonihaus

7 ай бұрын

I couldn’t imagine my life without her ❤

Thanks for all your support with this video. Just a few points 😀 * I didn't include every single diva, I probably should have. It took ages to make the video & I never said it was a conclusive account. * Not ALL gay men love divas. I do clarify this in the first 30 seconds of the video. If you enjoyed this video, please share it on KZread or on Twitter - here's my tweet about it twitter.com/iamjonnyharvey/status/1733926643628916998 Thanks for your help 😀

I love all of these divas in the English-speaking world, but for many Chinese gay men that often feel invisible, divas like Jolin Tsai 蔡依林 and A-Mei Chang 张惠妹 are gigantic pop superstars in the Mandarin-speaking world, literally as big as Gaga in places like Taiwan and Mainland China, and are a huge beacon of hope, as they touch on themes that are incredibly taboo in Chinese society and have been allies since the beginning when it wasn't acceptable to do so.

I may be gay, but boy do I love a woman.

@jonnyharvey

6 ай бұрын

😀

Thank you for this. This is like a love letter to my whole life and all my Divas. ❤

@jonnyharvey

7 ай бұрын

Thank you 😀😀

Is it genetic?.....I found my Grade 3 (8 years old) creative writing book recently. We were asked to write about 'the person in the World who most inspires you'. Most boys wrote about their father, astronauts, footballers..... I wrote an essay about Cher! :)

@SallyWilliams

7 ай бұрын

I so love this !!!

@garrywallace1007

7 ай бұрын

@@SallyWilliams Thanks, I forgot to say this was in 1973- in the suburban outskirts of Sydney AUS. Why did I pick a Diva as my hero? I didnt know I was gay, or what a gay icon was? It does suppose something innate.

@bryanalstoncoxing

7 ай бұрын

Yeah I was a Whitney Houston fan by the age of 3 lmao, my mom said that I was obsessed with her voice and watching her perform and act I’ve always been drawn to powerful women and have just identified with them more, even characters like Ellen Ripley in the Alien movies

@imalwaysright

6 ай бұрын

Legendary

Because they are beautiful and their music is very contagious

@jonnyharvey

7 ай бұрын

😀

Madonna , Kylie Minogue, CHER