Seeing Jamie was like having a real life Bigfoot sighting.

@MichaelSaunier

Жыл бұрын

It took me by surprise. That’s the first time I have seen him on camera during a show

@blonk333

Жыл бұрын

I closed my eyes out of respect.

@joebrown2898

Жыл бұрын

@@blonk333 Lmaooo

@DogOneIsOpen

Жыл бұрын

@@blonk333 lol

@alexg8652

Жыл бұрын

Young Jamie as a guest would be the best JRE ever

I think what is killing the Metaverse is the point that a lot of people don't want to be involved with Facebook.

@obrecht72

Жыл бұрын

Right. Name it whatever you want. It's still Facebook.

@whoanelly-

Жыл бұрын

where are the climate assholes for this? The power required to run the servers in the data centers for this?

@CantTellYou

Жыл бұрын

That’s got to be a big part. I just love how Redban narrowed it down to “no legs tho” 😂

@christophermyers6293

Жыл бұрын

There's been a few apps that I've been "required" to download and use for work. The moment I see "by Meta" I'm fuckin' out. Sack me, I'll never need your so much that I'll involve myself with Facebook.

@garydelong7750

Жыл бұрын

Metaverse first started with crypto and blockchain. Zuck copied the idea. It doesn’t belong to him. Facebook was just the first big company to put a face on it.

I always thought Jamie was 18-21 year old guy who was Joe's prodigy/apprentince who no matter what he achieved, he could never truly satisfy his father figure's demands and expectations. Until the day Joe grows old and on his death bed he tells him "im proud of you son" just before he dies which makes Jamie finally worthy and the day he goes from apprentice to master.

@ehmonja

Жыл бұрын

@@alistair9905 precisely

@escobar8617

8 ай бұрын

Bro 😂

@Valentinosuleyman

8 ай бұрын

💀💀💀

@kevinvizcainno

8 ай бұрын

Te mamaste wey

@ohatrid

7 ай бұрын

Young jamie

Yeah, Redban hits the nail on the head. The media presented the Metaverse as this innovative new thing that nobody'd ever seen before and was going to take the world by storm, where in reality that kind of game (or whatever you want to call it) has been around for years and years. Second Life, VR Chat. It's been done before, and it's a competitive market. And there's nothing about Metaverse that's really that exceptional.

Joes last ever episode should be with Jamie and they should talk about / recap all the amazing guests interviewed over the years.

@jordynsophiamakeup

Жыл бұрын

Is Jamie not working for Joe anymore?

@InbalGoldbe

Жыл бұрын

actually a great idea

@aarongonzalez4458

Жыл бұрын

Wdym last?

@jaydenjohner6901

Жыл бұрын

Rogan will never know which episode is his last because he'll do it until he dies, and that's why this show is great

@WTSPod

Жыл бұрын

Dope idea

Jamie finally having some screen time, he’s like Ferb only speaks when it’s facts

@OmarDemonslayer999_

Жыл бұрын

😂😎

@ervinvartani9306

Жыл бұрын

Great comparison

@jeffwestbrooke279

Жыл бұрын

That is still one of my favorite shows

@dbix11

Жыл бұрын

Was thinking Wilson from Home Improvement, hear him but never see his full face

@DeaPeaJay

Жыл бұрын

I think he goes on camera when he personally is weighing in and not simply “pulling something up” or fact checking.

no one ever mentions how immersive and realistic VR sim racing is. i wish It were talked about more

@demiano8605

Жыл бұрын

That's bc a lot of people who talk bad about VR have never even tried it lol. After a while in VR, you forget you're in VR and even graphics stop to matter to join brain. It's incredible how fast our brain can adapt and use th e controller as an extension to our arms. Kinda like how tools like hammers are extensions of our limbs to our brain. Also, this guest knows very surface level VR lol. I'm not a VR fanatic, but this guy sounds clueless

@670ramy

Жыл бұрын

@@demiano8605 You must be young. Wait until you're 30+ and you'll see that suspension of disbelief will be orders of magnitude more difficult to achieve. If you are old and you manage that, then I am seriously jealous. (I'm 36)

@lima4923

8 ай бұрын

I'm 23 and I find it pretty easy to get immersed. I don't really think much about which buttons I'm pressing to do certain actions. When I pick something up I'm just picking it up

Games like VRChat are really immersive and it's pretty social. You play long enough and you really feel there. The problem is its not advertised and if not shown properly people will dismiss it . There are high quality realistic worlds and avatars, full body tracking but you can also choose to be in a more cartoony play or be a more cartoony character

There's also the fact that many of us hate Facebook/Meta and we don't want to support or be tied to that company in any way.

@daveweisbrich1769

Жыл бұрын

Better delete your IG as well

@m0-m0597

Жыл бұрын

There's also the fact that they have been exploiting people for data for a long time, nobody trusts facebook, no one

@Treebranch_

Жыл бұрын

Yea exactly. I could have been more hyped if I wasn’t 100% sure every move and sound I made was being captured as sellable data

@m0-m0597

Жыл бұрын

@@Treebranch_ glad people are not being duped as easily anymore

@lamppuu1

Жыл бұрын

​@@daveweisbrich1769 don't forget Whatsapp

Been watching joe Rogan for YEARS, this was the first time I’ve seen Jamie. Good to see you brother you’re the backbone to this show love your work and your voice

@zach3955

Жыл бұрын

It’s not all that uncommon. He’s been on camera countless times

@Vaul.

Жыл бұрын

⁠@@zach3955 some people have lives, Zach

@QoStoOds

Жыл бұрын

@@Vaul. more likely jarret stretched the truth a lil bit. Perhaps his only intake of Joe is from Clips/shorts. But if you've been watching joe for years...you've seen jamie.

@CaptainSalazar69

Жыл бұрын

Very gay

@bennypit4411

Жыл бұрын

He's usually just spazzing out over there on SNOPES fact checking everything those right wingers are saying.

Metaverse lets you move between games with the same avatar and bring items with you. It really needs to be in the game engines. Meta introduced that in their API but it was those cartoony and limited avatars. If you played VRChat then you can get the metaverse. Just imagine that the different worlds in VRChat are completely different games. A system for universal objects is needed. Graphics isn't the biggest issue, rather the world acting real. Things need to work like IRL.

Jaimie has come along way from when he slightly intervened in the conversation and Joe starred daggers at him

@zacharysmith4787

Жыл бұрын

It wasn't because he butted in but because he was calling their sponsored product "weird".

@screamdreamer9085

Жыл бұрын

@@zacharysmith4787 didn’t know that. That’s fair

I love it when Brian is on, brings me back to the old JRE days, stoner conversations and watching crazy internet videos.

@tillman40

Жыл бұрын

But with more maturity..much better now

@dertythegrower

Жыл бұрын

He promoted this oculus and meta verse because he was on this and they gave it to him to shill... and it clearly failed ha.. he uses other headsets every week

@LeonSKennedy7777

Жыл бұрын

Really? Me too.

@Jeremy-xu3yu

Жыл бұрын

Repent. Believe in Jesus Christ and become a new person in this life. John 3:16 KJV For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Matthew 4:17 KJV From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. 2 Corinthians 5:17 KJV - Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

@MisticStyles

Жыл бұрын

I agree. I love the episodes when Joe brings on Brian. Jamie tends to be more involved and it's just 3 buddies talking about random shit.

Seeing Redban and Joe together is always nostalgic. Makes me feel a little old that I've been watching this podcast for over a decade.

@fullmeasurefitness8217

Жыл бұрын

Wild to think this podcast has been rolling that long and still entertaining

@importon

Жыл бұрын

Joe needs to play Gran Turismo 7 on PSVR2. It would melt his brain

@MrEdwar084

Жыл бұрын

@@fullmeasurefitness8217 it isn't tho whenever someone like redban is the guest, that guy isn't funny just like Bert.

@frenchiesfrankieandhenry

Жыл бұрын

I've been watching since the UStream days, too

@mikemyer3361

Жыл бұрын

Just means Yerr dumm

My problem is it puts a graphics engine between me and solving my problems, at least from a business pov. Although I could see some benefits for demonstrating things, like products, new homes, etc.

“If we can’t explain it in less than 3 minutes, we aren’t there yet.” Very well put.

I like that Jamie camera pov. Let's get more of those it's not JRE without Jamie.

@josephphelps4510

Жыл бұрын

I didnt know he was that old, young Jamie no more

@not-a-bot

Жыл бұрын

That totally threw me off. Quite different. Not saying it's bad, just different.

@reportedstolen3603

Жыл бұрын

@@josephphelps4510 lol u must be new

@155hab

Жыл бұрын

It's my first time seeing this man 😮 Kind of what I imagined him to look like

@christophglennon4939

Жыл бұрын

I have been watching/listening for 7 years on and off and have never seen Jamie until today. Bless him

You know theres something wrong when Zucc spent billions on the Meta project, yet it looks worse than VRChat

@NotKimiRaikkonen

Жыл бұрын

That's the thing I never understood... why does it look like a video game from 2005.

@Ian1329

Жыл бұрын

What even is it?

@billlyons7024

Жыл бұрын

@@NotKimiRaikkonen So that people with shitty computers could still use it.

@BuiltInBrooklyn

Жыл бұрын

It’s a huge money grab, I guess they spent way more resources on code to track users and monetize the scary amount of data they’ll collect than they did on the aesthetics of the experience!

@hagestad

Жыл бұрын

Its called tax deduction. Dude is just dodging taxes pretending to be inventing stuff. Its Jewish Lighting Joey Diaz was talking about all over again.

This is so awesome now I just have to learn it. Thank you all

Joe sees a dog "dog knows you're tripping" LMFAO

joe’s finally hit the old man confused by technology stage 😂

@snickle1980

Жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same thing. He's lost and confused.

@RealMTBAddict

Жыл бұрын

You seem triggered

@bradydeangelo284

Жыл бұрын

In Joe's defense, everyone was confused by Zucks metaverse. It was like he tried to gaslight us into believing this was what VR is. Lol

@RoBoTrOnIc1001001

Жыл бұрын

Lmaoo yeah i know what u mean, he seemed so clueless in the whole discussion

@MountainView21

Жыл бұрын

You know they are probably high, right?😂

i like how no matter how clueless Joe Rogan might be about it he stays curious and asks questions to learn more

@gstaggs2

Жыл бұрын

The part where he says “wow”

@erstwhile6163

Жыл бұрын

He’s trying to get immersed but clearly is just not that interested.

@Onlyfengsdotcom

Жыл бұрын

It’s his job

@blayneharris3206

Жыл бұрын

Joe is not clueless. I would be willing to bet that he is more knowledge on any given subject than the average person. He plays dumb to produce a good podcast. No one would listen to a podcast if the host does ask interesting and relevant questions on the topic.

@Gcssdvnkloiutesc

Жыл бұрын

@@blayneharris3206 what subject is Joe knowledgeable in? History? Mathematics? Philosophy? All he knows is professional fighting and comedy.

“The dog knows you’re trippen” 😂😂😂

That color passthrough on that Quest 3 is the metaverse as a pre teen. Wait until it's in its a senior in highschool. I believe its gonna be hella compact and it's gonna be interesting to see

been a JRE fan since 2011 and seen hundreds of shows/clips. This may be the first time I've seen so much young Jamie!

@xsenpai5179

Жыл бұрын

I thought he was black

As a VR user/enthusiast for a while now, I've said this for some time: VR will forever be too cumbersome for the average person. We already live in the Metaverse, people. We are connected to the internet through our devices constantly. We are biological beings: we gotta eat, sleep, go to the bathroom, go outside, interact with people physically, etc. During all these experiences, you can still use your phone, but VR would be difficult to say the least. I think somewhere in-between is possible with AR glasses.

@DisabledPsychedelica

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I think once they get AR and figure out how to lose the bulky headset and get something people can always wear and it’s not clunky and in the way it’ll take off and we’ll actually get real world issues and changes. I think sci-fi and fantasy has spoiled us and most will hold out for when the tech gets good. Kinda like computers and stuff back in the day.

@Woolong-ql1jh

Жыл бұрын

@@DisabledPsychedelica I just recently bought a VR headset, but it really feels like computers in the 80s and 90s. And VRChat is like the internet in 90s. But if that's the case, and if technology keeps improving at a similar pace, I think it will definitely blow up eventually. Like, nobody expected people to be on the computer or on their phone all the time 30 years ago.

@danielm5161

Жыл бұрын

@@Woolong-ql1jh I use my quest for fitness nearly every day. It's a great way to trick your brain into enjoying cardio workouts. I haven't got into the social apps much. When people say "Metaverse", I guess they are referring to VR Social apps? Everybody throws that word around without defining it.

@CoachJJ

Жыл бұрын

@@danielm5161 For sure, man. I use my VR daily, sometimes for socializing, education, meditation, teaching/coaching, and most often for exercise. It’s a great intermediary option from real world experiences and in some cases is even better. I’ve the pro, so the comfort level is great and the visual, auditory quality of apps is sufficient for my tastes. Looking forward to to it progressing significantly

@danielm5161

Жыл бұрын

@@CoachJJ I have the pro too. My favorite thing about it is the space between the lenses and your eyes. I didn't think i'd like that but once you use it, putting on the Quest 2 feels almost unbearable. Meta should include that design feature into the Quest 3

Simplest issue, the price to even consider trying do the metaverse was a barrier, and that is even before you get to people judge seeing if there is utility to it in the first place.

I normally skip Redban episodes after listening to some of the early JRE episodes but I think I'll give them a chance now

I noticed something evil when I saw the first commercial for the metaverse. It was a huge theater packed with people wearing goggles interacting in their own worlds. While Zuck 0:18 walked around the Theater not wearing Goggles, telling us what the future WILL look like

@TheArtonSlo

Жыл бұрын

Wtf are you on?

@squeakyrabbit

Жыл бұрын

He's an absolute muppet.

@LA-ue2ph

Жыл бұрын

wouldn't be a joe rogan video without some conspiracy in the comments section

@wesmcquillen

Жыл бұрын

That was a melodramatic photo taken out of context during a conference.

@newfreenayshaun6651

Жыл бұрын

Vanilla Sky, the "Life extention program" commercials were less creepy. Same sh*tty shady vibe as the real deal here tho. Pfizuck PZuck Ptoo!

When Jamie’s face doesn’t match with what you thought he looked like

@anon7596

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. I imagined him being a skinny clean shaven 24yr old

@dixonhill1108

Жыл бұрын

@@anon7596 It's called covid years.

@TheBruceKeller

Жыл бұрын

10 years makes one not as young anymore.

@justintime753

Жыл бұрын

Same

He keeps saying it’s for kids like he’s not a grown man living his life in another VR world 😂

I use to do vr boxing and occasionally my gloves and the opponent would start glitching out and it would always make me feel sick

Seeing Young Jamie is like seeing a mermaid riding a unicorn.

@metalheadblues

Жыл бұрын

On a double rainbow

@willie417

Жыл бұрын

🤔Young Jamie? 🤨😁

@kmb957

Жыл бұрын

Rarer than a unicorn riding a mermaid.

@CantTellYou

Жыл бұрын

I fucking love that on a rare occasion he shows himself, it’s at first with a browser window laid over top like a mask

@Kevin_Zakah

Жыл бұрын

More like Mr. James

1st time I’ve ever seen Jamie, watched 100s of full JREs for last 10 yrs. Super Coolio

@MrtheChief1

Жыл бұрын

Just thought that

@blestwynnz6634

Жыл бұрын

He looks much older than he sounds

@kylerBD

Жыл бұрын

I've seen him many times

@nachowarrior1

Жыл бұрын

he has been seen a couple times

I’m just happy VR Chat was finally mentioned on this podcast lol.

“Dog knows your trippin” 😂😂 thought that before

Let’s reframe the question: Why on Earth would the Metaverse ever succeed?!

@HonestBottom

Жыл бұрын

Ya beat me to it! ;)

@Shmack_

Жыл бұрын

OK boomer

@spiderjerusalem6887

Жыл бұрын

or rather, where is the push for the metaverse coming from? What's the actual motive behind building a digital replacement world for people to live in?

@LeonSKennedy7777

Жыл бұрын

Total boomer. FACEBOOK’s dumb attempt at a “metaverse” failed, but THE Metaverse is coming. It is unstoppable.

@user-ft2md2gd4s

Жыл бұрын

i guess people is too young to remember the first time this happened: Second Life.

Lol this the first time I've ever seen Jamie. Guy is more elusive than a tasmanian tiger

@nawtmyrealnamelol

Жыл бұрын

exactly somebody you want for the job, somebody who doesn't want attention

@ayaNjah

Жыл бұрын

He should stay elusive.

@eddiemcdonald4720

Жыл бұрын

Jamie is a closet progressive

@theecharmingbilly

Жыл бұрын

Is he really closeted? Seems pretty obvious. Guy is a pukestain. He googles real good though, can't deny that.

@CantTellYou

Жыл бұрын

@@eddiemcdonald4720 you think it’s a closet involved? His opinions since he started have been pretty open...

Good to see Jamie. VR really shines in simulators IMO.

that trip simulation is almost on point tbh

It didn't take off because it's still too early and all the meta games look like PS1 goofy games. I think it's gonna be massive in the next 10 years or so though

@ivanvargas2425

Жыл бұрын

10 years from now it’s going to be 10 years behind

@shawnwilliam466

Жыл бұрын

😆😆

@icelandicfaeinPNW

Жыл бұрын

Who payed you to say this

@arnabroy832

Жыл бұрын

Its at least 25-30 years away, even if its possible after 10 years, you would need more 10-20 years to make it marketable and make money out of it.

@dewmontain123

Жыл бұрын

Yeah. I really want to be able to buy a vr set one for me and one for my son so when hes with his mom we can go online together and explore different worlds. Just hanging out on crazy planets. Like ready player one.

From my perspective, the problem was 3 issues: 1 - They didn't have the right programmers for the job. For this to have worked, it needed to have high graphic quality and animation, and they apparently just figured anyone would do for this job. The result was something that, graphically, looked about a decade old. You're not going to draw too many people into your VR world when it looks like it was hastily drawn by a 12 year old. 2 - There wasn't adequate public interest. Gamers are interested in this sort of thing, but to get their attention you needed quality graphics, which was a complete fail. Out of the rest of the population, interest in VR was tepid at best. A really good marketing barrage could've helped to fix this problem, but the marketing was pretty generic once all things are considered. 3 - Last, but probably not least: cost. Over 70% of the population is living paycheck to paycheck, and then you want them to not only dump hundreds on this VR set that hasn't impressed as much as you'd hoped, but then also dump money into this digital metaverse for things. Which is just a case of get a clue. Most people don't have a lot of disposable income to throw around; if you want them to throw it your way, you gotta give them a damn good reason to. And you didnt. Thats my take, anyway.

@drunvert

Жыл бұрын

The thing is is that it's not going to work by having people opt in. You're going to have to have it incorporated into phones or computers or whatever. The hell is coming next so that you're looking at people in AR And they're looking at you in AR and then something the size of a ball cap becomes the VR experience that your buddy just says throw on your gear and you're in. My son says You need haptics, but I don't think you do just for conversing and watching a concert or visiting places around the world

@emre619619

Жыл бұрын

The main reason for the graphics is their main headset - Quest 2, which runs on a mobile chip should be able to run it since its the best selling headset and the reason behind marks metaverse investmens

@tylerloterbauer3711

Жыл бұрын

I feel it was Zuckerberg's public relations issues and Facebooks invasion of privacy. People started to not want Facebook and the trend subsided. You needed a Facebook account to use occlusion, and people were like, oh, well I don't want that.

@tylerloterbauer3711

Жыл бұрын

We sell oculus where I work, and because a Facebook account was required people decided against the purchase.

@maximusthegreatest

Жыл бұрын

I think #2 is the main reason, maybe when it's glasses with a long battery life it will be more popular. #1 isn't true because they had many top end developers like John Carmack working on it.

One major thing that wasn't discussed in this video is the cost of running a super realistic metaverse. It is super expensive to have that experience and I personally know this first hand trying to build one.

@NumberTwo-zg9bk

Жыл бұрын

No it's not. You just don't have a lot of money.

@Howieq

Жыл бұрын

@@NumberTwo-zg9bk yup, you are right, I don't have 13 Billion to spend on the metaverse, I can't imagine you do either or have the talent to do so.

@ekothesilent9456

8 ай бұрын

@@NumberTwo-zg9bkand Facebook did have a lot of money, and still failed

@logicalmalethink4925

8 ай бұрын

@@Howieqthey ripping you off

@Howieq

8 ай бұрын

@@logicalmalethink4925 I love random no evidence comments like this... you would make a great lawyer.

The thing that vr can NEVER replicate without brain stimulation is the body feelings of a psychedelic experience..

super nostalgic to see a Joe & Brian doing an episode together again, but definitely throws me off whenever Jaime chimes in 😂

@NumberTwo-zg9bk

Жыл бұрын

Stop copying comments. Don't you have a mind of your own?

@-chrisburke

Жыл бұрын

Jamie needs to know his place. He isn't on salary to speak.

@SPlRlT1

6 ай бұрын

​@@-chrisburkewhat an arrogant comment

Meta verse is the laserdisc for the 2020s

@nicholas6900

Жыл бұрын

Pretty much. Even if it does work, the cost to get going is going to be ridiculous. There's a reason why betamaxx failed and vhs dominated. Cost and convenience. It's so much easier for someone to FaceTime with their real face and talk to someone over video than obscuring themselves behind some cartoony character. Plus a lot of people aren't tech savvy and i don't see metaverse being some perfect vr world with zero hiccups.

@anon7596

Жыл бұрын

🤣

@tech1238

Жыл бұрын

Nailed it

@SignalCorps1

Жыл бұрын

Nice

@hitmixhyepock9405

Жыл бұрын

​@nicholas6900 I guess you don't know.....porn decides that we got vhs and not betamax...just like they did with blu-ray over hd-dvd.

There’s some video games that cause motion sickness. I didn’t know why everytime I played resident evil biohazard I got nauseous and couldn’t play for more than 10 minutes. I looked it up and apparently it’s a common complaint with that video game

The true barrier to entry isn't "putting on goggles", it's being able to afford a VR headset and a big enough living space to sensibly use it in the first place. For glasses-wearers like me, another major hurdle aside from the ridiculously high price tags on any headsets with at least somewhat reasonable screen resolution and pixel density is that not a single VR headset I've tried so far genuinely works while wearing glasses. They might somewhat fit over your glasses, sure, but you get exponentially more light spillage, ruining contrast, the screens/lenses have to be that much farther away from your face, ruining precision... the only alternative would be to replace those lenses with bespoke corrective lenses, which is another major investment, and at the end of all that, you've invested easily three times as much as you would have paid for a top of the line regular PC monitor, which would give you at least 120 Hz, VRR, much greater contrast and brightness control, and hassle-free use for every type of user, in every type of environment.

Also while I agree part of it has to do with frame rate, the reason folks get motion sickness is because visually they're seeing they are moving in a 3D space, however the body interprets that your legs should have motion as well to be able to move gradually through a space. Because that is not the case the mixed signals to your brain are in part what causes the motion sickness.

@dragons_red

Жыл бұрын

Yes it works both ways. Sensing motion (inner ear) while you are not seeing it and seeing motion when you don't sense it (inner ear) are both ways to get sick.

@mish375

Жыл бұрын

​@@dragons_redI'm prone to motion sickness and it's definitely the former that can trigger it for me. Meta and VR in general would be a nightmare for me.

@dixen9116

Жыл бұрын

@@mish375 It's something you can acclimate to

@mish375

Жыл бұрын

@@dixen9116 Yes and no. I sometimes can become more resistant to it in some situations if I use certain strategies while in a vehicle. But, it's always there. There's no getting rid of it.

Online games like World of Warcraft were the first metaverse.. People would hang out in a virtual world and chat all day long and if you get bored with hanging around the social area, usually a city center, near a bank, you could go do stuff in the game and earn rewards. A game centric virtual hangout is the right idea rather than a virtual world without much to do but screw around with each other.

@NirtieDigger

Жыл бұрын

Wow vr would be insane

@SaltyShaman

Жыл бұрын

Second Life :) It hasn't stopped improving as it's user built. They don't have the $$ to pay the staff to do things for the new VR that users do own their own in SL ;)

@awookiefromendor

Жыл бұрын

Don’t forget habbo hotel.

@-joe-davidson

Жыл бұрын

Using World of Warcraft as an example, Ultima Online was the first experience I had hanging out with people online.

@tinnyfoiler7126

Жыл бұрын

so basically a shitty mmo with no content is what vr is

Doesn't surprise me that Joe somehow is able to bring up psychedelics though this conversation.

@DrVonNostrand

7 ай бұрын

Chimps on DMT

Seeing Jaimie was like seeing Mr Wilson from home improvement got me so hype

Seeing Jamie for more than 3 seconds made my day 🎉

Joe can understand complicated world issues, complicated science things and politics, but when it comes to VR and video games, he gets very lost lol

@bostonspinach8144

Жыл бұрын

And then says he was addicted to video games because he played Quake for a week 😂

@tonyzone8999

Жыл бұрын

Exactly why metaverse won’t work.

@davidbreen4830

Жыл бұрын

He's not knowledgeable about the subject but seems to keep up well when it's explained to him.

@danielm5161

Жыл бұрын

The word "Metaverse" doesn't have any specific meaning. It's just a marketing term that people are taking way too literally

@arthurfonzarelli9828

Жыл бұрын

​@@bostonspinach8144 Not even sure why anybody would want to admit that being a full grown adult

Haha everyone surprised to see Jamie. I remember when he was working with Redban and he would switch to Redbans camera, but would be so stoned that he would forget to switch back to Joe's camera for like minutes at a time.

Putting on the headset is simply too much work. I use an oculus occasionally but just thinking about clearing out a space and getting the headset on, drawing the boundary, probably needing to update the games I want to play, then knowing the games I want to play I cannot sit down for, it’s just exhausting. And 80% of the western world doesn’t care about playing video games to begin with. The main appeal to anyone who doesn’t like games is probably just VRChat and similar activities, but all the work it takes to set up the headset makes it feel easier to just go hop on discord or go to a bar. I couldn’t believe how hard Facebook was pushing for this stuff, it was never going to take off at this level

I played that 90s VR in Dave and busters when I was a kid with my family. We had a blast!

the 80s and 90s were really the Golden Age of Humanity...

@Tom-S1981

Жыл бұрын

I miss them terribly 😢

@Sparrows1121

Жыл бұрын

World Wide Web was a mistake. I mean atleast the "Social media" aspect was. Internet is good for getting information, but relying on it not so much

@Mr_Mistah

3 ай бұрын

Not at all

The end game goal is Total Recall. That's the only direction video games/simulators can go.

I play PSVR 2. PSVR 1 before it and I am sold on the concept. Play Gran Turismo 7 in VR and tell yourself we are not there yet. Just touching the surface of VR and it is amazing now.

There's a lot more going on with psychedelics than just visuals. Idk how anyone could think they could simulate that with VR

@Lvl1farmer

Жыл бұрын

I died laughing when he said that😂

@thubanyeob3823

Жыл бұрын

You're totally right(and it's goofy they speak on it in that way), but i do think there is value in trying our best to represent psychedelic visuals with maximum fidelity.

@LokaVision

Жыл бұрын

@@thubanyeob3823 That's why I'm here lol.

Love hearing and seeing Jamie more. Respect to all those producers out there 👊

@lincolnackley5548

Жыл бұрын

Hes more than a producer at this point tbh

@thelastdrive-inscreen2393

Жыл бұрын

He sounds like Butthead.

Shoulda drank a bud light with the label facing the camera again for this segment

"nobody has legs" was so funny for some strange reason

1 I love seeing Jamie involved, especially pushing back. 2 Redban just completely ignores all of Joe’s questions. “Doesn’t metaverse have higher graphics too?” “Yes. But metaverse is so cartoony.” Bro it’s one or the other 😂

@danielm5161

Жыл бұрын

The word "Metaverse" doesn't have any specific meaning. It's just a marketing term that people are taking way too literally

@ThomasDonnelly1888

Жыл бұрын

Something can have a higher fidelity and look higher res, with smoother edges and have better animation, but still look like its from Xbox Kinect. Where as VR chat has rough edges, things aren't consistent, lighting might not be realistic, but the textures and the stuff in it is trying to be more life-like, I think thats what Redban meant.

@brokentombot

Жыл бұрын

I can't believe people are confusing Metaverse for VR. Seriously wtf.

@ThomasDonnelly1888

Жыл бұрын

@@brokentombot I mean, I havent seen anything on this metaverse shit since the first trailer, but im pretty sure they were using VR headsets on it.

@brokentombot

Жыл бұрын

@@ThomasDonnelly1888 It's exactly what this guy is saying. There is dope af vr but then there is a weird marketed thing called "Metaverse"

It’s simple. We don’t want it . Just cause someone really rich and famous invents something doesn’t mean we will buy it or enjoy it . WE have the power in what succeeds and fails . And most of all I don’t think the majority of people even enjoy having screens on screens on screens 24/7 . Reality is more enjoyable with minimal technology

@mra2zee

Жыл бұрын

You really think gamers don’t want to hold a real (fake) gun, on a 360 revolving treadmill and play realistic COD? C’mon man, people want it. We just aren’t ‘there’ with the technology yet. Once the tech get to a point where it’s unrecognisable with real-life, people will lose their shit. And that’s just one use-case. Of course, the use cases are endless.

@dixonhill1108

Жыл бұрын

"Reality is more enjoyable with minimal technologly" says who? Most people spend most of their time using tech to have fun.

@sharpvidtube

Жыл бұрын

I remember the exact same arguments against the internet, but here we all are. It's nowhere near as good as reality, but we love it. Just see what happens as the hardware, that's uncomfortable now, becomes a lot easier to use. Zuckerberg didn't invent anything, and will fail, but the metaverse will take off, that's inevitable.

@auroraborealis13579

Жыл бұрын

While I agree that “real life” will always hold priority… I’m having a ducking blast in VRChat!! ❤❤❤

@jaegrant6441

Жыл бұрын

I agree. Personally I think once gen z become parents themselves we'll see a shift. My gen z kids already hate their screens, can see the damage it's doing to them, but don't see how to live without them. Once children become involved and they need to consider their kids future aswell we will see a big culture shift imo

I want to say this. I do not get seasick, I do not get car sick, I don't have any kind of balance issues or visual problems. Virtual reality headsets and moving around in those worlds, with that camera, makes me want to vomit after about 5 minutes. I don't know why, I wonder if anyone else goes through this.

The problem with vr for me is movement that I’m not doing in real life. I don’t feel sick when playing a game like super hot because all movement I’m doing in real life. Games like saints and sinners where I can move with the stick makes me super nauseous.

Zuck's metaverse needs to fail. All the new Meta goggles have inward facing cameras to track eye and facial movement. This is the real motivation. This is the guy who pioneered harvesting every scrap of data from people's online activities to feed into algorithms designed to keep people using the products as much as possible. You give a company like that access to watching facial expressions and eye movement in addition to all the other data they are collecting, and the consequences could be terrifying. You guys should get Tristan Harris back on the show. Maybe talk about the grandfather of AI leaving Google just to warn people about the dangers we are facing right now.

@scroopynooperz9051

Жыл бұрын

"inward facing cameras to track eye and facial expressions"... so basically like all modern smartphones can do? With their selfie cameras looking directly at you when you use the phone? Hate to scare the pants off ya, but this is well within Google and Apple's capabilities already, as basically the entire smartphone market is running their OS 😂 There's actually a movie that alludes to this - Ex Machina (2014). Here the creator of the artificial general intelligence uses all the world's smartphones (naturally unbeknownst to the end user) to train his creation on recognising facial expressions and emotion, among other things.

@newusernamehere4772

Жыл бұрын

You say that like your phone and computer don't already do that lol

@newusernamehere4772

Жыл бұрын

​@@scroopynooperz9051ah ya beat me to it

@JeffCaplan313

Жыл бұрын

Tristan is 🔥 about this stuff

@joec6108

Жыл бұрын

“ these apps are tracking us! Ban tiktok!!!” - posted from his iPhone probably

Question for the vr to mimic actual trip without taking acid , dmt etc- a big part of the trip experience is say seeing sounds, tasting color any info on how world building and tech may be working towards those experiences that encompass more than just visual and audio but incorporating all senses and attempting more sensory experiences to include touch taste etc cross experience (which is super extra but also vital to real feelings that happen when you’re doing it)? Good stuff thanks for the glimpses into possibilities!

@CantTellYou

Жыл бұрын

It’s not even close. I mean just listen to how redban talks about it - he’s solely focused on the visual aspect (like a lot of people unfortunately) and it does a good job recreating that! But as far as total blending of senses & the vast possibilities of mental effects? I can’t imagine how software developers any time soon will mimic the full spectrum of a strong psychedelic experience when the real thing is so tailored to the personal experiences of the individual.

@jolinefields3460

Жыл бұрын

And tY for the quick answers and insight from kind reply and the whole experience is defined not by just visual but the experience of connection to rest of the universe on molecular level and the uncanny power of feeling the doorways in mind opening to previously inaccessible spaces within our own mind and rest of entire universe in huge and minute ways getting the keys to new rooms in brain and deeper understanding of the connection to each other and universe that is so much of the magical and comforting feelings that come with it 😇💕🫡🪄

I think about the old toy cameras that you stare into and they show realistic pictures of animal planet or different landscapes.

This dude is hard selling his favorite little vr chat room…. Desperate car dealer vibe

I think it’ll gain more fandom when it works with your actual surroundings. Even though I’m not claustrophobic whenever I put it on I still feel vulnerable to whoever or whatever is outside my view. I think it’s a natural fight or flight and since you can’t fight what you don’t see you just leave it alone. Might be a stupid idea but it’s my stupid idea 😂

@Trill.Clipz.Channel

Жыл бұрын

They already have this with the newest oculus, it’s mixed reality. Using what you see and building VR on top .

@HerculesLoyd

Жыл бұрын

Augmented reality military simulations would be so fucking cool. Like playing paintball or airsoft, but it simulates actual firearms and ballistics.

@CantTellYou

Жыл бұрын

and when legs exist according to Redban 😂 the true VR connoisseur

@anthonybeswick1937

Жыл бұрын

You're not stupid. You're right that, is tough to get past.

@itsabeautifullife565

Жыл бұрын

I get that matrixy feeling too

It will take time and a big must have application to really compel people to enter the metaverse. For example, if you could shop in a virtual mall which will perfectly match your bodily dimensions to the exact clothes you want and you could see how you would look that would be neat. Other immersive experiences that feel more and more realistic would be great: virtual concerts, vacations, sex etc would be interesting and would bring more people.

@mr.kroket

Жыл бұрын

The thought of trying on clothes with VR would be a genius idea

@mad_elf

Жыл бұрын

Wanting to go to the mall in VR to try on clothes is so dystopian.

@gsomethingsomething2658

Жыл бұрын

Not to mention the ho houses.

@danielm5161

Жыл бұрын

At the moment it seems like fitness apps are the most successful. I use my Quest for cardio almost everyday, it's really fun for that. I never use it for social apps though which is what people are usually referring to when they say "Metaverse" I guess.

@breeknow

Жыл бұрын

@@danielm5161that seems about right. Metaverse schmitverse. Who cares about a bunch of socially awkward japanese cartoon loving people? I use my quest for driving and flight simulations, for cardio when I can’t go out and for solving puzzles. I talk to people in person…

I’ll get into this virtual stuff when I can walk into a courthouse on a case and just start pissing on the judge.

Wish they would’ve looked up the full Vr suits

During COVID my interest was pretty strong with the Metaverse, but now very rarely I'll go on the Occulus. I get what he says about Horizon Worlds being cartoony, but there are real stayers in that community. Some are still on there every day, it's nuts.

@CantTellYou

Жыл бұрын

Redban is on VRChat every day 😂 it’s definitely got one up on Meta’s attempt, but still ‘nuts’ to me. Also adorable

@danielm5161

Жыл бұрын

I use my quest for fitness nearly every day. It's a great way to trick your brain into enjoying cardio workouts. The "Metaverse" though is just an ill-defined word, I don't think anybody even knows what that word means.

The dog knows you’re tripping 😂 instantly got paranoid 😂😂

@domingorodriguez3077

Жыл бұрын

same lol, i'm like what's wrong with me why's he barking

Listening to Joe try to understand VR is hilarious 😂 like trying to explain technology to your dad…

@fateriddle14

Жыл бұрын

Joe was playing innocent just to lead the conversation into some meaningful, he let the guest talk freely for 5 minutes, and all they've been talking as the reason for failure is the metaverse being too cartoonish... man that was so bad.

If I had to sell the Metaverse and the VR headsets I'd sell them as a time machine. Imagine reliving historic monuments of our time? Have you seen the Titanic experience for VR? Would you want to experience the feel of the 80's or 90's again, or go to the coliseum exactly like it was at the time of the Roman empire ? the possibilities are infinite and nostalgia sells. Putting a headset becomes a small inconvenience for the potential rewards of living a very special moment..

Up until I saw the title of this video, I had actually forgotten about the term "metaverse" .

Would love if Joe had Eliezer Yudkowsky in the podcast. He's one of the highest intellectuals that has deep understanding of AI and it's dangers.

I still think we need to invest in research of REM sleep. Find a way to use REM sleep for full dive VR

what kind of vr headset do have good sir

Imagine jumping onto vrchat and your on a server with Joe and Brian doing acid in the beach 😂

Metaverses are attempts by companies to host a singular platform you use to access everything digital so they can control/profit off everything you do on a computer. Instead of using your phone or PC to access different apps made by different companies, you logon to one company's metaverse and access everything through them, so the company that owns the metaverse has complete control over your experience and they can profit off everything you do. The "VR metaverse" is just a failed implementation by one company that was easy to understand because there were visuals and it was less abstract than the actual concept.

@funnyberries4017

Жыл бұрын

IT failed because the legs, bro

@dixonhill1108

Жыл бұрын

You say that until they get experiences people want, and then everything gets thrown out the window and it becomes huge. The difference/advantage metaverse has is their potential ability to scale upwards. Playstation etc are capped by the nature of the company.

@catalysts94

6 ай бұрын

@@funnyberries4017 other competitors have legs bro, the market for it is just super niche.

Horizon Worlds (Zuckerbergs metavers) is like the Internet explorer browser that comes with windows, it is pre installed, when you first put the headset on thats where you go. But just like Chrome, there are plenty of better alternatives. I believe the reason why Facebook has gone this route is to avoid any type of compywrite infringement. When you are creating a world for Horizons you cannot import any type of picture as a reference you are only given the basic geometric objects for creation. Vrchat on the other hand let's you rip anything from the internet. Actually Vr Chat made it in there terms of service that if you're in possession of copyrighted material in your vrchat account whoever has the rights to that copywrited material can sue you for damages and distribution.

I always thought Jamie looked like drama from rob and big until I saw him today!! 😂😂

The movie Strange Days was crazy. A person would wear a device on their head and record everything they're experiencing, then another person could pay to live the experience in a VR sort of way.

@vincentgarzoli3197

Жыл бұрын

That one was ahead of its time envisioning the future of society, as well as technology. Almost too profound for its own good.

The first patented headset with head tracking eye tracking was at Virtual Vision in Redmond. To get higher resolution they had to patent OLEDs. I worked with them on some rapid prototyping had wireless head mounted displays. The DARPA Cybersoldier project got involved.

@myadhdSquirel

Жыл бұрын

I had a cheap version of that back in 95-96 had a red lense that acted like a HUD to play games on.

@sergeantstrawberry

Жыл бұрын

That's pretty cool, how long ago was that

@BudKnocka

Жыл бұрын

@@sergeantstrawberry that was 1996

@BudKnocka

Жыл бұрын

@@myadhdSquirel sold those at the Bon Marche electronics dept! You could watch TV while you mow your lawn

@matthewm7540

Жыл бұрын

@@BudKnocka U pale beings need to go ain't that right boy

I agree with Coldfusion, I think this first attempt of the metaverse might have happened too soon, but it will eventually happen (10 years or so); for example, there were even SMARTPHONES with email in the 90s!!!! but those failed because too few people had an email (or a reason to have one), not enough people had access to internet, and the technology as whole was not there yet to revolutionize the industry. Something similar will happen with the metaverse; when technology, internet speed, graphics, etc finally gets to that point in which it doesn't look ridicule but it actually dazzles you because of how well the whole thing works then the metaverse will become a huge thing for the enormous quantity of applications it has

I can’t say for anybody else, but for me I found that the VR experience made me SUPER motion sick. Seriously. After using the VR headsets for only about 20-25 mins, I got sick to my stomach like when I was a little kid and I’d get sick from reading in the car. And, that lasted for at least 2 days. Also, people just aren’t interested in paying thousands of dollars for something that isn’t quite there yet. If the metaverse/VR worlds didn’t take off during covid when people had nothing but time, then yah… it’s gonna be a while.

Been flying drones with VR goggles for years. It’s not like fantasy, but it’s kind of like you are in the cockpit, but the real purpose is to hit gaps and fly really close to things without crashing and recording video of really cool landscapes and real life shit. It’s for video and photography content creators. FPV it’s called and it’s fantastic. Of course guys also race with FPV and many many movie and commercial shoots are done with FPV drones. Sporting events too. Motocross, snowboarding, BMX, hang gliding, sky diving, mountain biking, drift cars, etc……. Most of those drones will easily go 100mph.

"You ate something fucked up. You're dying" this is how I will describe my fps rate.

Coming here after seeing the Vision Pro

Love you guys keep it up

It hasn't failed it's just incredibly early. When it becomes Ready Player 1, then people will be interested.

@MrJwyne

Жыл бұрын

Once Apple releases their headset, more people will be paying attention. Apple’s VR will be early also, but with time it will improve.

Seeing Jamie is always a treat.

Hearing people that don’t play vr talking about vr is something else

Joe should do an interview with a couple of sim racers, I know he's into cars. I'm a retired sim racer and could help. Joe seems to be very new to VR.