The best and I think simplest discarded jeans/trousers theory I've seen is that they were simply bought in bulk by the owners (or possibly by a number of miners). The miners would then change into/out of them on arriving/leaving to avoid wearing out their own day trousers. As not owned by any individual, they'd then get left behind when work ceased. If some of the books/invoices for mines exist in an archive or accountant's office somewhere, this could probably be checked.

The canvas you keep finding could be the remains of "Dust Curtains". Wetted down generally and used to keep dust from working area filling other areas if the mine.

@TVRExploring

Жыл бұрын

Yes, I think that you are 100% right about the dust curtains.

Old miners trick, tie knots in pant legs for a handy ore bags. Hand Single Jacks do not have a hole in the bit end. In the absence of Vent Line Canvas can be hung as an air damn to let blast debris and dust settle while you work nearby. Burlap and Canvas were often burned to rid the Mine of Bats and other Mine Pests. Thanks for another Fun Explore!

@TVRExploring

Жыл бұрын

Yes, I was thinking that the canvas that was obviously not once part of someone's pants was likely used for dust control as you outlined.

@Porty1119

Жыл бұрын

Pant legs for sample bags? Clever! We just use canvas bags or 5-gallon buckets.

Guess it was pant changing day on one time down there, very interesting explore again, loved watching it thnx

Glad all of you folks are all Right ! and No Ghost Flock of Pants less Miner's Coming Out the Wall's Showing Up Out the Wall's !, Although Slim Would Fit Right In And We All Know Jeff Would Agree With a Hearty Chuckle!!!; )😂🤣😅🤣😂😅

Really like how you explore every nook and cranny. These guys who say they’re documenting a mine should take lessons from you. Thanks, another interesting explore!

@TVRExploring

Жыл бұрын

Thank you. I try to be very thorough because as quickly as these are disappearing, I might be the last one in there and I'd like for there to be a decent record of what was there.

Another great Video. Thank you Justin and crew! Regarding the abandoned pants and especially the one with the old newspaper next to it, you can't rule out that the owner experienced a personal industrial accident and the paper was part of the clean up effort? Mel The Ice Man, Acton, CA.

Back in the day, Denim jeans and other pants were called "coveralls" (despite being just pants). You'd put your denim jeans or pants over your regular clothes to protect them. So, say your coveralls get ripped or soiled in some way, not unimaginable to just ditch them in an old adit, walk out with your regular clothes. I've also heard the concept that these coverall pants were often owned by the company, but I'm not certain if that was a universal case or not.

@minerjim1531

Жыл бұрын

that is exactly what they did

Don't tell the mayor of Cerro Gordo about all those pants. He'll materialize out of thin air and remove them all.

@ralphpatrick3071

Жыл бұрын

😅

@user-xt8es5nj4n

Жыл бұрын

Yup😂

@brianwinters4991

Жыл бұрын

Is this a Brent crack?

@mcd2796

Жыл бұрын

Walked past thousands of dollars...

@captaincrunch5878

Жыл бұрын

I thought he was the sheriff, ... Lol 😆 🤣 😂 😅

Awesome explore. Always Glad to see one of your videos. You narrate so well and always work on explaining where "we" are in relation to where you film/filmed from. Simply put you always keep me oriented

@TVRExploring

Жыл бұрын

Thank you very much. Yes, I know it can seem confusing underground. So, I try to tie everything together.

Although they were moved/sold from mine to mine, riveted carts would generally be produced prior to 1920-1922. Welded carts were more common after 1920.

Nice explore Justin & company! Thank you for sharing his with us!

Great tour. Thanks

Wow what a awesome amazing mine. I love the ore cart and tracks. You guys in USA are so lucky as you have fantastic mines and they still have artefacts from the old days. Here in Australia people love stealing things from old mines. So we rarely get to see things.

Interesting tour of the mystery of the pants mine!

I mistakenly went into an underground bar / nightclub in Brisbane, Australia called "The Mineshaft" once, and lots of guys there had also lost their pants or were in the process of losing them.

@brianwinters4991

Жыл бұрын

Yah , you mistakenly walked in , you were hoping to do a little spelunking yourself weren't you ? 😘😘😘

@MoosesValley

Жыл бұрын

@@brianwinters4991 🤣🤣🤣

@robertlyman9789

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

maybe this set of miners were into wearing chaps when they were digging....some of those bits of canvas looked kind of like opened out leg shapes Interesting mine that I feel must have been quite rich. Thanks for sharing

Some of those bits of canvas where perhaps used as brattice, usually nailed to a timber frame. They were put across levels, dips etc to control airflow around the workings. It was ubiquitous in UK coal mines and was actually referred to as "brattice cloth".

I have learned to never assume anything when you are in one of these mines, this one was right up there for simple "didn't see that coming" moments.

@TVRExploring

Жыл бұрын

Not making assumptions is a very good policy when in mines and, really, for life in general. I would imagine that with your background, you have many concrete examples of the wisdom of not making assumptions about people or what they are capable of.

16:04 - In 1934 the Far Eastern Championship Games (like olympics) were held in Manilla and women were allowed to compete for the first time. That's where Margaret Walden was going betrousered.

@TVRExploring

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the explanation.

Speaking of 👻, I remember that mine you were in somewhere in Russia, that was scary spooky,thanks for another great video

@TVRExploring

Жыл бұрын

Oh, Engilchek? That is in Kyrgyzstan and, yes, that one was wild...

Thank you for this Video . It is amazing to see what the miners do and how much work they do to bring the ore up. Take care Yours Frank Galetzka

@TVRExploring

Жыл бұрын

Thank you, Frank. It's a fascinating endeavor...

8:27 Pencil writing on the stopper box says "Use with Care Blasting Caps".

@TVRExploring

Жыл бұрын

Thank you.

Always love your videos justin.... m made my day thanks

@TVRExploring

Жыл бұрын

Glad to hear it

@worldtraveler930

Жыл бұрын

Same here enjoyed it as always!!! 🤠👍

Another great day for Justin and Crew! This mine goes every which way at times. Nice ore cart. It looks like the miners left ore behind. Im guessing it wasn't worth their effort?

Good afternoon from Southeast South Dakota

Always great. Thank you. Could have some of that cloth been from cloth vent pipping for air flow?

@TVRExploring

Жыл бұрын

Ventilation from the era when this mine operated was always through metal or wooden pipes from what I've seen. The vent bagging is a more modern creation. Obviously, not all of the canvas present was the remains of pants. However, a surprising amount of it was. So, the remainder could have been for dust control, an air door or, as you suggested, maybe it was for ventilation. I haven't seen that before though.

The poor miners probably lost all of their shirts on previous mining ventures, so all they had left was their pants! That had to have been humiliating leaving wearing only their scivvies!

A great video. Thank you for sharing it you guys be safe.

I'm going to guess the management of the mining company got a really good wholesale deal with some Pants manufacturer and just gave away spare pants to workers like candy.

I would check if anything was left in the pockets. I would like to think they would bring extra pants with and exchange with dry when while drilling would get wet.

Maybe they hit a pocket of gold and it blew their pants right off! Or possibly a steady diet of beans.

@TVRExploring

Жыл бұрын

Both very reasonable scenarios...

Alot of people lose their shirts in the mining industry. Here's proof that alot of people lost their pants as well!

Incline shaft, mid levels and haulage drifting. Foot walls and hangers. 👍🤙👍🤙 STOPES, STOPES, AND NOPES. How big was the waist pile?

@TVRExploring

Жыл бұрын

Well, that's what I was walking on at the start of the video... I'd say that it was smaller than I would have expected based on the size of the underground workings. So, they must have hauled away a lot of ore or backfilled a lot of those stopes.

I don't know about the losing of pants but I know a lot of miners have lost their shirts.

I'd be assuming all the canvas was some sort of early ventilation system. Thanks for sharing 🇨🇦

The paper with the baseball game- the seals were an old San Francisco team.

@TVRExploring

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the reminder! I had forgotten about that...

Did you check the pants for a gold pocket?

Your thinking about whether they walked around in their underwear, that's if they had any on. That's a mystery that can stay one, but it seems to be something that occurred in many mines both in the use, as well as across the border to the north. Although I don't remember ever seeing any in the iron or coal mines back east, but who knows, because most of those are a lot damper than around the southwestern states or up in Nevada from what I seen. Although y'all have spent plenty of time in waders I know. So another mystery that I guess we'll never have a answer to. Ever wonder what y'all could find with metal detectors while y'all are wondering around through the waste piles, and what's spelled out of the oar shoots? Great video as always, but the others don't take any cameras in with them I've noticed. Would be interesting to see a combined effort, with the videos edited together, because it'd be from different perspective I'd think. Take care gentleman, and stay safe.

@TVRExploring

Жыл бұрын

The gobbing and waste piles definitely have some treasures hidden in them...

Thanks!

great job in all your videos. I just starting watching this episode, I hope to have an opinion on the trousers after seeing the footage

Old school miners might've used the stoppers in a bathtub for a makeshift settling tub.

Yes lots of pants .I have a ? My dad was not a miner but he had rain gear for his dairy farm had pants and jacket the name that was mentioned was Tin pants and jacket unsure if they were canvas with a coating or what .In some old mines I have seen this type of gear they were stiff but pliable. ⛏️🏆🤔

Fascinating about all the pants and canvas... maybe several reasons for leaving them... possible "soiling" on occasion, bringing more than one pair for if a miner got super dirty or wet? I always love when there are time-referenced newspaper or certain periods of tools, like the "hole-less" drill bit and the 1934 newspaper. Great video!

@TBI-Firefighter-451

Жыл бұрын

The hole-less Bit is called a Hand Single Jack and is use by hand with a sledge hammer, you'd hit it, turn it and repeat until you had your blast hole and some Miners still use them today.

@TVRExploring

Жыл бұрын

Actually, no, the drill bit without the hole is what the pneumatic drills ran before the dangers of silicosis were understood and they modified them to inject water through the center. It has that shape to fit into the drill. A single jacking drill bit (or single jack) is a round hand tool and works exactly as was described.

@hotrodandrube9119

Жыл бұрын

I always guessed that the miners maybe would remove their pants when it got super hot while working. And the carbide headlamps might not provide the best illumination to find your shit before you walk back to your shack for the night. I.e. forgetting your lunch pail at the office.

Could the canvas be from vent bags? Like inflatable duct work for air delivery? Just a thought.

@TVRExploring

Жыл бұрын

From what I've seen, ventilation from the era when this mine operated was always through metal or wooden pipes. The vent bagging is a more modern creation. Obviously, not all of the canvas present was the remains of pants. However, a surprising amount of it was. So, the remainder could have been for dust control, an air door or, as you suggested, maybe it was for ventilation. I haven't seen that before though.

my guess is that they struck it rich and had one hell of a wild party! :)

@TVRExploring

Жыл бұрын

That would've been one hell of a party! I like that scenario...

The great chili incident of 1912

@worldtraveler930

Жыл бұрын

One of the many reasons why Texas Chile doesn't have bean's!!! 🤠👍

They don't lose em, they shit in them and leave em there 😂 still happens

I thought my hearing aid batteries were dieing lol

generally speakin u find a pair of pants next to some newspaper 😂someone crapped there pants

Hey Justin, Thanks for another great day in a mine. I was wondering what they are digging for ? Thanks

@TVRExploring

Жыл бұрын

It was an interesting geological mix... I always break down the history of the mine and what they were after in the descriptions below the video (unless there is a good reason not to).

Sure wish I had the ability to go reopen a bunch of those old mines and work them!

They didn't just take the wheels,, they took the "truck" which had the wheels. Sorta the same type of recycling as when folks took the steel rail out, for another mine

Great video..I thought I read that the mine owners furnished the pants ??

Abandoned pants in the mine - blame the cook

@worldtraveler930

Жыл бұрын

Or the Tamale vendor, either way I believe that's the most likely scenario of all pants that are left in mines someone just didn't have the ability/courage to admit that they had a violent digestive accident that they suffered down in the depths of the mine below or in their bowels at leastways!!! 🥺😳💩.

I wondered why Jeff Williams always tell us to keep our pants on and now I know.

During quiet times, miners would play Donald Whaurs ma Troosers. An early form of hide and seek, the men would remove their leggings which would then be concealed throughout the mine by the shift foreman. The first man to locate his pants was declared winner. This might not be true.

@TVRExploring

Жыл бұрын

I like your scenario very much.

@worldtraveler930

Жыл бұрын

I am definitely calling that explanation Total BS but I guess in the sense of the statements Miner Shite might be more accurate!!! 🦬💩👍

Looks like a very dry mine, so obviously taking the basin stoppers down there worked. Perhaps you could use a few dozen plugs in your damp mine. 🤣

Finding newspaper next to discarded pants suggests that there may have been a code brown industrial accident.

Fun stuff. Thanks! 👍👍👍👊😎

Out of curiosity what is making that slight hissing noise in the background?!? 🤔

Do you know whether miners, in the early days, got paid per load, how much ore found or paid a wage? I was just wondering. Looking at the mines you go through, the miners were incredible people who I really admire at the work they did. 👍🏻🇦🇺

Oddly, "Competition White" just sounds like a name some old miner would give to a mine... They come up with some really weird names for mines after all...

A miner would wear the same pants until they wore out, a final tear or rip, then a buddy on the next shift would bring him a spare pair

@worldtraveler930

Жыл бұрын

Clothing back in the day was not as disposable as it is in today's world, I'm pretty sure that they would have taken them to the wife or a family member or someone in town who would have repaired the pants so they could get a few more Years worth of life out of them I don't see them just randomly throwing them away like toilet paper!!! 💩👍

Hot, muddy, dirty… remove them under the rain gear or no gear. Forgot them or buddy hid them.

@TVRExploring

Жыл бұрын

Another miner hiding them would certainly happen, but why did the pants come off in the first place?

@worldtraveler930

Жыл бұрын

I believe that's the most likely scenario of all pants that are left in mines someone just didn't have the ability/courage to admit that they had a violent digestive accident that they suffered down in the depths of the mine!!! 🥺😳💩

There's a guy running a ghost town with a mine that sounds like he'd sell his mother at a chance to see a pair of pants in a mine and you couldn't care less, hilarious!

Pants were rented like uniforms and probably when the mine closed the miners took them off and left in their street trousers.

Change pants after work

We might not want the answer to this

Why do the ore cart wheels get taken anyway?

@worldtraveler930

Жыл бұрын

It's 1 of 2 possible scenarios 1st: Back in the day it is an item that wore out fairly regularly on other ore carts therefore they were dog robbed to keep them going. 2nd: More modern sense is its something small and easy to steal!!! 🤠👍

The discarded canvas that you found is evidence of a massive flood. The flood carried Sponge Bob's split pants from Bikini Bottom all the way into that mine.

I'm seeing a lot of blue. Was this a copper mile?

@TVRExploring

Жыл бұрын

Some... I always talk about what they mined in the description below the video.

I wonder how many mines have had some crazy hidden treasures stashed away by some miner a century ago that you guys have just walked unknowingly passed..

@TVRExploring

Жыл бұрын

Yes, we've talked about that... I know for a fact that it happened at the 16-to-1 Mine because when they brought the metal detectors in, they started to discover all of the stashes that high-grading miners had hidden away almost a century before.

@martyparsons8395

Жыл бұрын

@@TVRExploring Have you guys metal detected your mind yet?

@volktales7005

Жыл бұрын

@@TVRExploring That 16 t0 1 mine series was awesome!

@TVRExploring

Жыл бұрын

@@volktales7005 One of my favorites!

What state is mine in ?

@cullenosbourn3304

Жыл бұрын

What state IS This mine in is what I meant.

those cart wheels are expensive.. and I think people like building railway riders with them to tool around on abandoned railroads.

1934 !! It's a good mine !! It closed for War not because it ran out !! TAKE SAMPLES , VERY WORTH IT !! WHERE IS THIS PLACE, HELL ILL GO TAKE SAMPLES !!

I've got it! They were mining pants! And these are all the unsalable waste pants.

Bonus game on the Lottery. 💝💝💝💝💝💝. 🔜. 🤕🤕. Is this a dead end hobby? 🤒🤒

I don’t understand that. What do the thieves, yes thieves, do with ore car wheels?

@worldtraveler930

Жыл бұрын

My guess is they put them on the wall of their man cave or their shed and brag about the time back in the seventies or eighties or Whenever that they slip down into the Depths of the mine and acquired themselves a little piece of history!!! 🤠👍

Is it because they didn't hold onto their pants like @Askjeffwilliams always warns about?

@Benson_aka_devils_advocate_88

Жыл бұрын

I was thinking that the guy from Cerro Gordo would absolutely _Love_ this mine! He's borderline obsessed with finding a pair of Levi's jeans in an abandoned mine. My guess is that Slim had something to do with it.

Wonder who is dropping all those orange flagging? See them in a lot of mines now, looks recent.

@zaboomafoo409

Жыл бұрын

Typically state but sometimes private geologists. Up until the early 90s the US bureau of mines existed and they as well as state agencies kept tabs on existing mines, abandoned or not. Hasn’t really been a thing though since the late 1980s.

@olivei2484

Жыл бұрын

@@zaboomafoo409 Thanks. Kinda was thinking private, but they sure covered a lot of ground.

I lose my pants all the time

@brianwinters4991

Жыл бұрын

Yes , thats what we all have heard !😉😉😉

I just had a thought, what if the miners took the wheels with them so no one could work with their kit.... they might have planned on coming back and because of I don't know what never made it... I must admit I can't think of any other reason why mines would end up with random pairs of jeans left here and there

@TVRExploring

Жыл бұрын

That's definitely a possibility with the wheels. However, on the mines that we've gotten into where we know that no one has been since the miners left, the wheels are almost always still on the ore cars. With the pants, I have no idea...

@TalRohan

Жыл бұрын

@@TVRExploring ah well it was nearly a good thought... lol

thanks J

Y'all need to check those jeans if they are Levi's they are worth money a lot of money. 100 + yr old pants collectors eat them up. Especially Brent from Cerro Gordo

Why did the miners lose so many pants in this mine? Beans, lots of beans in their diet.

What is the longest you've ever turned off all lights and cameras and just sat quietly deep in a mine ?

@TVRExploring

Жыл бұрын

Well, to preserve battery life when we're waiting for someone to scout something out, we can turn everything off for half an hour or more. Our brains don't seem to like the sensory deprivation though. It's an interesting physical phenomenon.

Corregated steel and plywood, post WWII I would guess.

@straybullitt

Жыл бұрын

Corrugated steel has been around since the 1890's. Before that, they had corrugated iron 4X8 sheets of plywood have been available in the United States since 1928.

Losing so many pants, obviously they all died of dysentery.

Not much real sturdy lagging holding back all that rock there at the beginning. Sketchy at best…

I suspect the pants and newspaper adds up to dysentery

@TVRExploring

Жыл бұрын

Haha, that thought did cross my mind...

Kinky mining troupe getting their kit off at work.....😜

muck sheets

Hello men Aren't you afraid that the mine will collapse on you ?

@TVRExploring

Жыл бұрын

One must accept that risk if they're going to do this sort of thing... I don't *want* it to happen, but I'm also not going to live my life in fear of all of the terrible things that might happen to me.

Bandito: Pants? We don't need no stinkin' pants (Spanish = pantalones). Movie Version: kzread.info/dash/bejne/iKWjz7yKfb23c7Q.html

They didn't do enough sampling

Shhhh, miners are nudists!

@TVRExploring

Жыл бұрын

The secret is getting out...

@Porty1119

Жыл бұрын

I know a female miner who may or may not run a mucker while shirtless...

"Why Did So Many Miners Lose Their Pants In This Mine?" I think you may have found the lost Gay Mine???

@TVRExploring

Жыл бұрын

Well, I guess the miners would never have gotten bored...

@worldtraveler930

Жыл бұрын

I would have thought in that particular type of mining situation they would have preferred chaps over pants!!! 😏

That old drill steel was probably from a stoper or a really old bar n arm machine. The pulley was either a slusher block or simply something the miners used a lift timber , drills , powder and other supplies up a raise by hand, or with a small air tugger.

@TVRExploring

11 ай бұрын

Appreciate the information and corrections on things we've gotten wrong... Please keep it coming.