it's obvious that Luther intended a reform of the Roman Catholic Church, but I think he wanted that reformation to be an internal reformation rather than a breaking away from the RCC. Big picture, to break away from the RCC weakens christianity in a unity sense. he would have preferred a doctrinally sound Catholic Church that remained unified.

@abukid4857

7 жыл бұрын

I don't think the LORD and SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST will return to a church full of STATUES. That's why He is heading to the Mount of Olives in Israel, not Rome. ZECHARIAH 14:4 On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half of the mountain moving north and half moving south.

@patneary4398

7 жыл бұрын

I'd like to think he had hopes that his suggestions would promote him in the established heirarchy and it backfired. otherwise his writings wouldn't have been addressed to them.

@georgepenton6023

5 жыл бұрын

Isaiah Bergemann Luther was within his rights to criticize abuses and corruption in the Church. Where he went wrong was in denying Church doctrine, doctrine taught by Christ to the apostles and handed down by word of mouth and epistle since then. Yes, the sale of indulgences led to abuses, abuses that were later corrected. But yes, the Church does have the authority to issue indulgences and Purgatory does exist. Yes, there were abuses at Mass. But yes, the Mass is still the unbloody sacrifice of Jesus, and the Eucharist is still the the literal Body and Blood of Christ.

Well, if Luther hadn't kicked off the Reformation, surely somebody else would have.

One could argue that he intended "reformation", little r, but not "the Reformation", big R.

Very interesting. Never thought about this before.

the city of Munster is on of the most interesting subject you can study in history. it wouldn't have been possible without martin Luther.

@RyanReevesM

7 жыл бұрын

Agreed. I lived there as a student for a year and the history of it still stands out strongly.

@chrishoward8058

7 жыл бұрын

Ryan Reeves that's awesome, I've always been interested in the small time period between 1534-1535. I'm stuck wondering if matthys actually believed he could "talk to god". Or did he realise he was in a position he couldn't get out of alive, and decided to "make a last stand" so to speak. With alot of sources in German that are still not translated I'm sure I'm , missing pieces of the story.

well I think I have as much right as Luther or the pope or anyone else whatsoever to talk about theology and call out what I see as error - especially as I am more responsible for the salvation of my soul and my beliefs than anyone else, so for that I thank Luther and his legacy very much

Good stuff! The graphic is classic, too funny “my bad”.

We need reformation again

@abukid4857

7 жыл бұрын

Nope...actually, the FALLING AWAY prophecy is being FULFILLED. Then, the RETURN of CHRIST. So, no need for reformation. People need REPENTANCE.

@nunesandrew4198

7 жыл бұрын

good view also.

@patneary4398

7 жыл бұрын

FleshDown SpiritUp feel free to make a new denomination. for Lutherans it happens all the time. ELCA is one of the newest, while Missouri Synod still won't accept that dinosaurs existed.

WWycliffe had a major part in the story

Good Stuff. I understand that there was a point before the beginning of the the American Revolution where the fathers weren't thinking of forming their own country. There was an evolution to its development. Isn't that the same with Luther and the reformation? By the way I love the new "recessional" music. Where is it from?

As a Lutheran, I don't believe Luther intended the Reformation. We confess the historic Creeds, including belief in the Holy Catholic Church, after all. I view the Lutheran Reformation as having positive content, an affirmation of the Gospel as Good News, and I do not view the Lutheran Reformation as some kind of attempt to establish a non-Catholic religion.

@georgepenton6023

5 жыл бұрын

Aaron Munn You follow Luther. Catholics follow Christ.

@timothyfreeman97

5 жыл бұрын

Aaron Munn so do you believe that, as a Lutheran, you are, in fact, a Catholic? And that your denomination lays true to the faith of the Apostles and early Church fathers?

Luther wanted to return to the Scripture and away from corruption. Yeah, what a heretic!

Luther phenomena help for real reformation in the Church to happen

I would like to know if he had any influence by groups such as the Rosicrustiens? I think of Albrecht Durer and his etching of Melancholia and his self portrait that portrays himself as Christ. What was the influences outside of theology? And don't you think Luther's instruction prior to being ordained was a bit short?

Heresy. Read Hillaire Bellocs “The Five Great Heresies” or listen to the Audiobook, gives a very fair view of the circumstances of the time and the players.

I for one love these comments - Protestants strongly defending Protestantism and Catholics strongly defending Catholicism is as it should be... Keep it up, whatever side you are on! It's those in the middle who try to pretend there is a third or middle way where we are all really "one" or "separated brethren" that IMHO is an embarrassment to both sides... Read Martin Marty's pathetic new book "October 31, 1517..." as an example of this... There is a reason this has been going on 500 years my friends... It's supposed to.

@thomasconnolly8201

7 жыл бұрын

As an Episcopalian, I am inclined to the middle way, unembarrassed.

@aaronmunn2918

7 жыл бұрын

As an ELCA Lutheran, I agree with those sentiments.

@kaneinkansas

7 жыл бұрын

"Those who are not against me are with me." - The New Book. Different illnesses require different cures. While there is some down side to the proliferation of religions, such as rogue sociopathic religious leaders and sects, and the odd televangelist, I think, on balance it is a good thing. One important thing, I think, the reformation did was break the Catholic church's monopoly on thought. That crack in he egg allowed for the enlightenment to occur. That in turn, gave us the birth of science and an explosion of knowledge and education. Say what you want about science, but I believe science addresses the "how" question regarding creation while religion addresses the "why" question regarding creation. Education then is fundamental. We cannot fully appreciate the wonders of creation, of our lives, without it. A life lived uneducated or under educated is a wasted opportunity, on almost every level, including theologically.

@thomasanderson1416

7 жыл бұрын

There is no middle way with pure falsehood, it's like saying there is a middle way with gnosticism or judaism or islam. Either we all roll back to primitive apostolic Christianity or nothing. We can't say : Hey, let's middle, we believe in all that Marian dogma and you drop papal infallibility. That's just not how it works, you may find a middle way on some issues but not the whole systems.

@IamGrimalkin

5 жыл бұрын

Jonney Shih But that's exactly what Luther did (and he is the topic of this video): he rejected papal infallibility but kept many of the Marian dogmas.

When Martin Luther posted his 95 Theses, HE WASN'T EVEN A PROTESTANT YET. Luther acknowledges the existence of Purgatory, although he departs from Catholic teaching in what he says about it. Luther also declares his belief in Indulgences, although he contradicts traditional Catholic doctrine on the issue. The following is typical of the contradictions exhibited by Luther. #71 of Martin Luther’s 95 Theses, Oct. 31, 1517: “Let him be anathema and accursed who denies the apostolic character of the indulgences.” The point here is that even on Oct. 31, 1517, the Protestant “faith” was still unknown to Martin Luther and indeed to the rest of the Christian world. There was no statement about justification by faith alone or Scripture alone; there was as yet no repudiation of the papal office or many other Catholic dogmas which Protestants today would reject. What you have, at this point, is a confused and convoluted priest who, while claiming to be Catholic, was clearly falling from the traditional Catholic faith into his own wild version of it (especially with regard to Indulgences). He was no Protestant. Even at this point, the so called biblical “faith” was unknown to its eventual founder. The true faith of Jesus Christ is a deposit. It does not fall out of the sky to a man who lives 15 centuries after Christ. It was revealed by Jesus Christ to His Apostles 2000 years ago, and it was passed on by the Apostles to the Church. St.Jude 1:3- "... it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.” The true faith thus has a historical link to the apostolic Church; and it can be shown to have been believed by those who came before in the Church. It is passed on from generation to generation. Martin Luther grew up with the Catholic faith. Protestantism was unknown to him as a child; it was unknown to him as a priest; it was unknown to him when he posted his 95 Theses, and even when he first called the pope the Antichrist and was appealing to a general council. At some point, indeed, Martin Luther came up with Protestantism, and his conclusions had no link with his predecessors or even with what he had said or believed before. They were truly the inventions and “discoveries” of a man, Martin Luther. Protestants have thus submitted themselves to a system which Martin Luther came up with among the rest of his contradictory and ever-changing views. These “discoveries” include the idea that man is justified by faith alone, which word for word contradicts the teaching of the Bible (St.James 2:24) - a contradiction so blatant that Luther felt compelled to criticize the book of James because it contradicted him. In fact, Luther wanted to throw James out of the Bible and into the stove (i.e., the fire), until his friends persuaded him that such a move would be too radical. Catholicism is the only Biblical and historical Christian religion.

@thomasanderson1416

7 жыл бұрын

False, Oriental Orthodoxy is the only Biblical and historical Christian religion.

@thomasanderson1416

7 жыл бұрын

The true faith of Jesus Christ is a living spirit, and it certainly fell out of the sky to a man who lives 21 centuries after Christ. It was revealed to his Apostles 2000 years ago was, passed down by them, and even through the RCC tries to smother and falsify the Apostolic faith, thankfully it is still revealed by the Lord Almighty to some of his elect even now, by the same Spirit it was revealed to the Apostles.

Humanity will advance only after expelling the priestly class.

@thomasconnolly8201

7 жыл бұрын

Surely you mean the lawyers???

I dont know if Luther intend the reformation but Jesus is not intrested to reform something that he has nothing to do with,Cristendom,wether Catholic,protestant or east orthodox claim that Jesus is their Lord but only in words,in Mathew 7:21-23 he makes clear that only those who do HIS FATHERS WILL,will get in the Kingdom,those religions dont even know Jesus fathers NAME let alone that they dont do his will,cause how can you do someones will if you do not even know his name.And what does Mr Reeves mean whe he says "burn"that Luther will burn in Hell?There is no such place.The times that the priests were making people afraid with things like that is long gone,but something will surely burn,babylon the great,the world empire of false religion and Cristendom is its leader(Revelation chapter 18)

@calebtimes453

7 жыл бұрын

George Strimpos Yaweh

@thomasconnolly8201

7 жыл бұрын

So Jesus didn't establish a church, as is reported in Matthew and as brought to the four corners by his apostles? I'll certainly grant that men have misrepresented Jesus, often to satisfy their own vainglory or lust for power, but c'mon, George!