Love it!! Stoked to see the build

@AndyKruseChannel

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Me too!

Sounds great Andy! Looking forward to more on this! 🏁

@AndyKruseChannel

Жыл бұрын

Hopefully it will be as awesome as I hope it is. 😀

If there’s no oil under it , there’s no oil in it !

@AndyKruseChannel

Жыл бұрын

Truth!

Great video Andy (as usual)! I was hoping you were doing a 347 build :) Looking forward to the next video and thanks for putting out quality content!

@AndyKruseChannel

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Thanks for the support!!

Exciting journey Andy. Looking forward to your updates, thanks

@AndyKruseChannel

Жыл бұрын

Thanks 👍

Sounds very exciting! Good luck, I'm sure you'll keep us posted and I hope you had a great Thanksgiving!

@AndyKruseChannel

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! You too!

That will be an awesome build!!! Good for you!

@AndyKruseChannel

Жыл бұрын

Thanks 👍

I got my 347 stroker kit from Coast High Performance 15 years ago. The wrist pin in the oil ring problem was already solved way back then. The kit consisted of a new Crank. Forged Probe pistons and rods, rod and main bearings. I also bought a roller cam and lifters they recommended and a main cap girdle. They also recommended AFR 185 heads. They estimated 430 hp. It's been running like a scalded dog for 15 years with no problem.

@AndyKruseChannel

Жыл бұрын

This is what I want to hear! 15 years out of a 347 sounds fantastic. :)

I'm excited...Looking forward to your new build. Roller cam, alluminum heads...Keep us posted!!

@AndyKruseChannel

Жыл бұрын

I can't spoil the surprise on the parts. :)

That's a great way to go. You'll never regret it. I have a 351W in my 65, and it has always fought with me. Maintenance is always a challenge due to the really close quarters.

@AndyKruseChannel

Жыл бұрын

That's part of the reason why I elected not to do a 351, hopefully everything will go smoothly. :)

Good luck Andy. And happy Thanksgiving!

@AndyKruseChannel

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! You too!

Great choice in the 347, I have a one in my 65. Good amount of power for these cars. Can’t wait to watch you through the process. Best of Luck

@AndyKruseChannel

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Thanks!

Nice choice, I hope everything goes smoothly 🙏 I'm interested to see what heads you go with 👍

@AndyKruseChannel

Жыл бұрын

You and me both!

Great choice andy 👍 I did a all forged bottom end 347 solid roller early this year and haven't regretted it. Best to find a roller block

@AndyKruseChannel

Жыл бұрын

Nice 👍

Sounds like a plan. I also feel like when you go bigger displacement, not everything has to be radical in its approach. There's an objective cushion for reliability and performance. Well thought out Andy. Fun to watch!

@AndyKruseChannel

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the support!

I'm where you were at. Thanks for the video. Good luck though I think you're gonna be way satisfied with doing the 347 stroker. I'll be doing my 67 this late winter/spring 2023.

@AndyKruseChannel

Жыл бұрын

Awesome, good luck with your build!! :)

I'm in exactly the same position as you with a tired, oil leaking 289. I'm looking forward to the upcoming videos!

@AndyKruseChannel

Жыл бұрын

Cool, hopefully you'll be able to pull some info from the build to help you decide the path you want to go. :)

Hey Andy! Troubling shoot leaks etc is an art. After you pulled the motor, you nailed the problem and traced that oil flow down the from the head gasket and down the pan rail back to the rear main seal area. Good patience and good job. Now, having sold my 85 gt hatchback with a built 347, I have to say I loved that build. Over 400 hp N/A, Fast and dependable. Great street motor. I now have the 67 Gt coopay with the monster built 460 in it. Would gladly go back to a small block for room and space and ease of working on a small block. So, all in all, great choice. Can't wait to see the progress steps of the build. Love and blessings to you and yours from Motown/Dearborn. Oh I forgot to say, my 347 was a hydraulic roller motor paired with a 5 speed T-5 and 3:73 gears. Holley 650 Carb.

@AndyKruseChannel

Жыл бұрын

I might have to do a video on that leaky 289, it would be great to confirm it's problems, just in case someone else has the same issue. Excited for the 347, time is moving really slow right now. :)

I have a 66 coupe hipo 289 good videos they help me out

@AndyKruseChannel

Жыл бұрын

Awesome, thanks for the feedback, I hope they continue to help you out. :)

I've been watching your videos for a while now and you have helped me do the front disc brake conversion and the t5 swap on my fairlane. Thank you for the effort to make the videos for the car peoples.

@AndyKruseChannel

Жыл бұрын

Awesome! It’s always great to hear that someone can pull some value from my videos. 😁

@atom_________6815

Жыл бұрын

All I have left to do is to figure out how to actuate the clutch. Unfortunately I don't have the clearance room under the dash to make the cable setup work.

@AndyKruseChannel

Жыл бұрын

Maybe check out the Hydraulic Clutch Kit from MDL?

@atom_________6815

Жыл бұрын

@@AndyKruseChannel maybe

Partially inspired by your channel I went out scored a dream car. 1966 mustang fastback, factory gt.

@AndyKruseChannel

Жыл бұрын

Awesome, I hope yours is in better condition and easier to work on. :)

Good plan Andy. My 66 coupe came with a 302 that someone swapped in at some point. A couple months after I got it I spun a cam bearing...so...time for a rebuild. Went with Edlebrock topend kit, Comp cam and lifters, went .20 over on pistons and .10 under on crank. Engine is sitting on stand waiting for the rest of the car to be finished. Looking forward to your progress.

@AndyKruseChannel

Жыл бұрын

Broken parts are no fun, but sometimes they allow something better to be installed. Sounds like your new setup is going to be fantastic! :)

Nice looking forward to the progress. I would’ve recommended prestige motorsports. There 347 long blocks are like $7500

@AndyKruseChannel

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the heads up, but I've got a great Engine Shop in my home town. :)

Awesome Andy! That’ll be a fun project! I’ve got a mystery leak out the back too. Replaced the rear main (last guy left the pin in and installed a rubber seal), did head gaskets, thread sealant on the bolts… everything that the internets recommend. Still leaks. Albeit less now. It’s hard not to feel defeated. Between the oil burning and leaking, I’m at a quart every fill-up. But hey, after 3000 miles, the oil still looks brand new! …cause…you know…it is.

@AndyKruseChannel

Жыл бұрын

Hopefully you're able to diagnose the source of the leak, but if you're blasting through a qt every tank of gas, there's a much bigger problem lurking in there. :)

@jasonmartin3587

Жыл бұрын

@@AndyKruseChannel oh, I know where the oil is going. It’s being used to perform magic. Every time I pull away from a stoplight, the car behind me mysteriously disappears in a cloud of blue smoke. She’s DONE IN. But it still gets me to work and back without a complaint or stumble.

That's the best way Live and learn 🔧🐎🚗👊🇺🇸💪

@AndyKruseChannel

Жыл бұрын

Truth

Hi Andy, my 66 289 is weeping oil around the heads too; I just assumed it was the head gasket. My 289 is also pretty tired and ready to retire. I am thinking I will get a fresh rebuilt 302 (306) with GT-40P heads to replace it. Love the videos.

@AndyKruseChannel

Жыл бұрын

The fun part about these motors is all the options. I bet that 306 is going to Rock in your car!

Really cool to see the direction you are going to take with the engine! A 347 will wake the car up!

@AndyKruseChannel

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Brotha! I gotta build something to compete with your GTM.

Great 👍

@AndyKruseChannel

Жыл бұрын

Thank you 👍

you need the roller cam block with roller rockers, 302 upgraded to 347. 450 horses.

@AndyKruseChannel

Жыл бұрын

You and I are on the same path brotha!! :)

I put a 331 in my 65 based on a roller block from a 98 Explorer. Those extra cubic inches are really nice! I'm curious to find out what you plan on doing for heads in this latest adventure.

@AndyKruseChannel

Жыл бұрын

The 331 was on the list, but when it came down to it, the 16 cubes were almost free, so it was an easy decision. The heads? Well, I am going to.......

I secretly wish my 69’s 302 was tired too, so I’d have a legit excuse for an engine swap. So I’ll just live vicariously thru you Andy as they say 😊

@AndyKruseChannel

Жыл бұрын

Do you hear that? I think you're engine is done. Tell your wife that Andy said it's time to pull the engine and rebuild it. :)

Well, typically when you replace the bearings there is a good chance it would burn less oil. Mainly due to the rings no longer banging into any ring ridge. Then replace the valve seals (doable without pulling the heads). Prolly lots of good miles left in it.

@AndyKruseChannel

Жыл бұрын

There’s a ton of miles left in this block, it’s just not the route I am taking. 😀

Hey Andy make sure and put together a good well matched combo that makes decent compression 10 to 1 or better. and a good cam and heads, Not every 347 is created equal ;-). Get good parts don't be thrifty or cheap on parts ( AFR, trick flow etc....) build it once! and be done. ive had 289s 302s 347s 363s a well built 347 will roast tires all day and be a reliable FUN motor in a 5 spd fastback all day everyday.

@AndyKruseChannel

Жыл бұрын

I won't give away the goods yet, but this build will not be full of the most expensive parts nor will it be full of Black Friday Deals, if you know what I mean. I have faith in the build and my Engine Builder. :)

Hey Andy thanks for all of the videos. You have helped me so much. Question have you changed the motor mounts with the engine in? Have searched all over and not many videos charging motor mounts with engine in. I have a 65 coupe with 302 , 4 speed top loader. Thanks again.

@AndyKruseChannel

Жыл бұрын

Sorry Boss, I have not changed the mounts on any of my classic Mustangs, I just haven't needed to do them yet. However, I do know that getting a stock style mount to fit the early cars can be tricky as I believe they stopped making the early mounts? I don't recall the exact details, but I do recall people having trouble making the mounts they can buy fit. That being said, when I do plan to upgrade/replace the mounts, I will be buying some Ron Morris Motor Mounts. Maybe take a peek at those? :)

@leecarlson7552

Жыл бұрын

Many thanks. I have the mounts from CJs. It looks pretty straight forward just looking for thoughts on supporting the engine from below. Most say just use jack under oil pain with lice of wood. Will give it shot and will let you know

Did you put loctite on flywheel bolts? Oil can come out of those on some crankshafts. I would check and see if the threads run through into the motor. They don’t on all motors, but is a good habit to put loctite sealer on those bolts. Orange permatex works well and doesn’t need heat to remove. Could explain part of rear main seal leak area. (if the crankshaft bolts go all the way through.) Flywheel is 85 ft lbs. Haynes manual for these cars has good info and leaves tips for where you should put extra gasket maker, etc. Like on the coolant ports around the intake gaskets

@AndyKruseChannel

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the heads up.

@lukegoodwin2160

Жыл бұрын

@@AndyKruseChannel This was the cause of my oil leak, looks like rear main seal and drips right down to it, but it was no locktite on the fly wheel bolts

How awesome! I word of advice, I have a 347 in my 65 and cooling it was harder with the small 17 inch radiator. Upgraded to the 24 inch radiator and I’ve never had cooling issues. Downside is you’ll have to fab the front end to make it fit. Also, I went with a T5 just like you but I’m not content. I feel like first gear is useless with my motor. If I had to do it again, I’d go with a 4 speed top loader. Good luck!!

@AndyKruseChannel

Жыл бұрын

Not sure that the T5 is useless, but likely the gear ratios you have are not ideal. The Top Loader can have different ratios just like the T5. Also, the rear gear in your Third Member can play a role in how short your gearing can be. For example, a 4.11:1 ring gear can make almost any first gear useless in any transmission. Going back to the T5, the unit I have has the shorter first gear than the more common T5s (I believe mine is 3.35:1) and I have thought about replacing it but it will require more than just the gear to do the swap. Anyways, what I'm saying is don't give up on your T5 as that 5th gear really does make it nice when you need to go highway speeds, and synchros are so nice to have once you get used to them. :)

@raptorjesus99

Жыл бұрын

@@AndyKruseChannel thanks! I don’t think the t5 is useless, just maybe first gear as is with stock specs and a 347. Are you going to keep your stock radiator with the upgrade?

@AndyKruseChannel

Жыл бұрын

@@raptorjesus99 Yes, there are some upgrades coming. 😉

@raptorjesus99

Жыл бұрын

@@AndyKruseChannel love your videos. Can’t wait! I forgot to mention one thing about the oil leak you found. I had the same issue. Changed rear main seal and to the exact same oil pan gasket one piece and it kept leaking out the back. After changing it twice following ur video, I noticed that the curved ends of the gasket didn’t make a nice seal around the pan. I always had about a time small slack. I switched to the four piece and the two curved gasket ends sealed up perfectly and my leak is gone.

I'm a 331 CI guy just for the little better rod geometry but the 347 are nice! The T5 sounds like you need to add a cluster gear support plate. PM me and I will give you the heads up on it.

@AndyKruseChannel

Жыл бұрын

I think the 331 might be the better choice if you plan to spend you time in the upper rpm range, but I want some of that lower grunt that the additional displacement offers. I installed that cluster gear support plate when I rebuilt the trans, but that is a conversation for a later time. :)

The other choice is a 351 Windsor engine. Its the same external size as the 289/302 and bolts right onto the trans and engine bay. The other good news is you dont have to deal with the problems if the Cleveland which has a number of issues.

@AndyKruseChannel

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, making the Cleveland fit in my car is a headache I don't want. :)

@davidfarrish3768

Жыл бұрын

I was suggesting the 351 Windsor. The only change from the 302 is a stronger block that is a little taller than the 302. It fits in just fine. I had one in my 1970 mustang, it made great power and no issues with getting it in the engine bay compared to the 302. Now if you go to the 347 or the 351W you’ll need a 9 inch rear end to take the power of either one. Also the trans you have is only rated for 300 ft lbs torque. Not sure it will stand up to either one of these engines making full power. Looking forward to seeing what you do. I still vote for the Windsor because of the stronger block. Also you can stoke it our to a 383 or a 427 if you wanted. Now that would be a beast. You can buy them from Jegs all done in many different versions and horsepower 👍👍👍

Excited to see it! I think you said you’re swapping the intake over? Wouldn’t an RPM AirGap make more sense with that displacement?

@AndyKruseChannel

Жыл бұрын

I would like to do the RPM, but the budget is keeping me with the current intake. But that's ok, it will give me something to upgrade to down the road. :)

@daveg5018

Жыл бұрын

@@AndyKruseChannel yes another video! Keep up the great work Andy. I enjoy your channel. A lot of relevant information as I have a 69 Fairlane with 302

@AndyKruseChannel

Жыл бұрын

@@daveg5018 Thanks for the support Brotha!!

Andy I have exactly the same issue in exactly the same places. I have a rear main seal and was thinking of ordering a new oil pan. What has stopped me is that I believe that my oil leak is coming from where the block meets the heads, exactly where you point out. To add to this my 289 is less than thrilling to drive. I am now looking at a fully dressed 302 from Summit. It's 300 HP which a lot better than what I have currently. Most of my driving is mild so 300 HP will be more than fine. Weird that we are seeing the exact same issue. Oil leaks suck. Oh, I know that you put in a 347 Stroker. I think you're happy now. How does the car feel now?

@AndyKruseChannel

11 ай бұрын

If it's in the budget, try to swing for a 347, that extra 125HP is a game changer. If that is just too much, see what upgrades you can do the engine (internally) so that you can add power mods done the road and the engine is good for it. However, a fresh 302 will likely be 50% more power than you're making now, so it might be enough. The car is getting better all the time, slowly dialing in the various pieces to make it all work. :)

I built a 331 with an Isky cam, Johnson lifters, and AFR 185's. 347 should be nice, roller cam and block is a good choice.

@AndyKruseChannel

Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

347, I like it!

@AndyKruseChannel

Жыл бұрын

Me too!

You not going to do yourself Andy? Always wanted to tackle one day myself 💪

@AndyKruseChannel

Жыл бұрын

I'd love to, but this is one of those things that require special tools and equipment. I could do some parts of the rebuild, but this is my first motor build, I'd like it to be done right. :)

I replaced the 289 heads with 351Windsor ones in my 66 Mustang. No clearance issues. Big upgrade in performance.

@AndyKruseChannel

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, letting these motors breathe is one of the secrets to more power since they're so restricted from the factory. :)

@61chip72

Жыл бұрын

jeff david what year 351w heads do you have? did you do any port work on them? I have a pair of 70 351w heads i'm going to put on my 289. Not planning to do any port work and wondering what hp increase will get, if any. Did you also go with higher compression pistons?

@jeffdavid9423

Жыл бұрын

@@61chip72 Early stock 351W heads (69-72). Had engine rebuilt at race shop back in 1981. Don't know about port work. Compression @ 9.7:1. You could go higher. Runs fine on todays premium gas. Lots of info online about this head swap.

@61chip72

Жыл бұрын

@@jeffdavid9423 Appreciate the response!

What a cliffhanger this was! Pretty sure you're 289 block is stronger then the 302 especially if it's a roller 302 which begs the question are you going to convert to a roller cam when doing the 347 stroker kit? I would!

@AndyKruseChannel

Жыл бұрын

Roller Cam coming in hot!

@pauls7751

Жыл бұрын

Be sure to replace the gear on your distributor for the roller cam

@guyser34

Жыл бұрын

Nice video Andy. I was wondering the same thing- roller cam?Mustang’85 blocks and newer have roller blocks. You may be going with a retro fit cam with smaller base circle if you use the ‘82 block.

347... yup... my 67 has a 19895.0 full roller 347 stroker... worth it

@AndyKruseChannel

Жыл бұрын

That's what I want to hear! :)

Keep in mind 302 crank is lighter so it will take a 50oz balance not the 28oz

@AndyKruseChannel

Жыл бұрын

No, we're not using the crank from that 302, all new guts, and sticking with the 28oz imbalance. :)

2:15 seconds in and we're about to start discussion engine options. I'm placing my bet on 347 stroker. Edit: nice 347!!! I think a couple of weeks ago I commented something about at 347 to you but it may have been one of the three other guys I subscribe to that work on their Mustangs. what oil pan are you going to run on the new block. The 9 quart Canton oil pan I have makes for a really long warm ups. Knowing what I know now I would like to run something a bit smaller.

@AndyKruseChannel

Жыл бұрын

7qt Moroso pan, I was able to get a really good deal on one. :)

@BPattB

Жыл бұрын

@@AndyKruseChannel Nice That's perfect!

My 289 is tired. Built in the 80s. I am trying to decide the best bang for my buck... I know I have a bunch of options. If you stroke this, do you have to change out the tranny? Anything to the body to assist with the added ponies?

@AndyKruseChannel

Жыл бұрын

It depends on how extreme you go with the motor build that will determine what you need to do. The power I plan to make will be at the limit of my T5, and even then I might need to keep an eye on things. My 8” rear will likely be the weak link after the motor build. But I should be fine if I don’t do 6k clutch drops. And no chassis changes will be needed for what I’m doing.

The T5 is not going to be happy with a 347 but don't worry Tremec makes the TKX.

@AndyKruseChannel

Жыл бұрын

Gives me an excuse to upgrade. Besides, it's the 6k clutch drops that blow up the T5s with more than 300HP.

@rodneykite8862

Жыл бұрын

Power shifting into 3rd broke a lot of them.

I like the engine stand. Where did you get it?

@AndyKruseChannel

Жыл бұрын

I made it, from some left over steel bits and some caster wheels from Harbor Freight. :)

@JohnattanRivera1984

Жыл бұрын

@@AndyKruseChannel i would so pay you if you made them for sale

@AndyKruseChannel

Жыл бұрын

@@JohnattanRivera1984 Haha, I appreciate that. The down side is the material cost and my time to make it would be more than the cost to buy one off the internet, and then you'd have shipping on top of that, where most of the stands online can be shipped for free. I'd have to make 100 of these to get the down to a realistic level. But again, I appreciate the request. 😀

Hey, you will need to upgrade it with a Coyte 5.0 with a standalone ECM. you will have more fun. and you can make more videos

@AndyKruseChannel

Жыл бұрын

A coyote would be awesome, but not in the budget at this time. :)

It’s all about the $$ and how much is too much. I’ve been doing the same research as you, Andy. But I’ve got a 5 inch wider engine compartment in my 67 Fairlane. Actually, the 5” wider compartment was measured against a 67 Mustang. It might be even wider than the 65/66 Mustang. My engine compartment may be wider but my wallet is not. Blueprint crate engines offers 302 through 427? How can 427 be possible?? Their price doubles from about $8000 for a 408 to $14k for their 427. They call these bigger cu. in. displacements, “Ford small block ‘style’.” Their site states that they are no longer accepting orders for the 427. Maybe that’s more due to supply chain issues rather than the richer Ford enthusiasts?

@AndyKruseChannel

Жыл бұрын

I'd love to have the extra space, but that too comes at a cost. I believe the 427 they offer is a Stroked 35 as there just isn't enough meat in the block to add 40% more volume to a 302. However, that 427 would be awesome, so much power down low, it would be a blast to drive. :)

Hi, On my '66 Mustang I've decided to replace my worn out 289 w/ a new BluePrint ford 302 c.i.d. 300 hp dressed engine. Do you have any advice, what do you think of the 302?

@AndyKruseChannel

Жыл бұрын

That 302 will be a great upgrade over your tired 289. This is one of those times that’s easier to make decisions relative to your build and any future plans you might have. It’s easy to get carried away with upgrading your parts for even more power before you finalize your build, so keeping your budget in mind is solid advice. While your engine is out, it’s a great time to clean up and address any issues in your engine bay, so take advantage of that time while you have it! 😁

Did you add a short throw shifter to your T5? If so what kind?

@AndyKruseChannel

Жыл бұрын

The shifter assembly I purchased was from LMR, it's a "SVE Mongoose" model and I love that is has shifter stops so I don't break the shifting lugs in the trans. :)

@pauls7751

Жыл бұрын

@@AndyKruseChannel thanks. I got my T5 conversion kit from Modern Driveline and may end up buying their shifter. I can't remember from your videos if you still have the Zbar clutch, cable or Hydraulic?? The 80's 302 blocks are no longer machined for the Zbar bushing and a special adapter is available.

@AndyKruseChannel

Жыл бұрын

@@pauls7751 Nope, ditched the Z-bar in both cars, and went with the Cable Kit option in both. I did switch to the Hydraulic Kit in my last car, but that was because I melted the cable after not following the instructions for certain headers and melted the Clutch Cable. :)

What kind of rims are on your car

@AndyKruseChannel

Жыл бұрын

Wheels are American Racing Torque Thrust II, sized 16x7 w/ 4" backspacing - part number VN2156765 Tires are Falken Azenis RT615K+, sized 225/50/16, all four

No advance to running a 347, never seen one go over 30k, 331 much better setup, also figure a set of better heads than those stock 289 heads. I worked on a 289 with the one piece rear main, having to pull the transmission, just why.

@AndyKruseChannel

Жыл бұрын

Cool, so put a 347 in the car, got it.