The reasons I presented on this video should have made things clear for everyone. I hope you all know that YOU GUYS also ride with me and play a role in what i bring next 😉

@sidvicious3129

3 жыл бұрын

Jay, I appreciate all that you do, you have pushed me to not be as lazy and think about what settling. I won’t be operating at the level that you are pushing through but I had components that were serious weak points in my system and one of them I asked you about which were a pair of Vandersteen Quatros and your response was, they are decent, but not reliable and what you said couldn’t be more right. Much too often in this hobby we associate our own identity and happiness with a brand and form brand loyalty. I luckily will cut ties when I’m not getting what I should and your channel explains why that is so important as you have no loyalties with any brand. With Vandersteen I stuck around a little longer than I should, but my experience now matches yours Jay of not being as reliable as they should be. You are only pushing for the truth through the experience of many brands of ownership. No dealer can offer you that. After replacing two subwoofer plate amps and a driver and just not really being happy with them, I should have never bought them after my experience with my Vandersteen 2ce 2 signatures and 2 2wq subs. The subwoofer amps went on their own, the busted driver went when the right channel of the amp died. The owner of the Vandersteen Quatros before me replaced a bad left driver and he traded them in on a newer pair. I sat on that pairing of the 2ce signature 2s for four years and I was miserable. Changing cables and whatever I did just didn’t do it and that’s not to say I couldn’t get them to sound good, just not great and not a visceral experience. I just couldn’t get the Quatros that I traded up to from the two Vandersteen subs and 2ce signature 2s to sound great in my space even with Acoustic treatment, so I finally got up the courage to believe in my own ears, not the dealers, friends or my wife and I let the Vandersteens go, no more crossovers when switching amps, no more thinking about changing batteries in those crossovers, none Nadia and done. The Vandersteen 2wq subs were terrible and I never got the volume or performance I needed out of them even with the 5hp crossovers and upgraded lithium battery. My amp, the Audio Research DS 450, a class D amp by them, which I wondered why they didn’t repeat, was too lean sounding and didn’t grip the drivers on the Vandersteens or other speakers that I tried and finally a right channel blew and took out two pairs of speaker’s right channels drivers, including the Vandersteen Quatros and a pair of Bowers and Wilkins bookshelves, ouch and ouch. I was later told by the dealer that this happened to another customer and almost caused a fire. That amp won’t be back from service until mid June and that was over a month and a half ago. I have also had an Audio Research VT 100mkiii (tubed) and it was a great sounding amp and admittedly used it nicked and dimed me with parts and service. I have also seen others amps come back for minor things, it come back. AR makes great sounding amps, it their reliability is beneath McIntosh, even though their products are more detail sounding. I’m done with this route as well and won’t be buying anymore Audio Research amps. The preamp, CD player, Dac all Audio Research have been problem free and I will keep them. I will have to pay for the repair of the DS450 and I have no problem with that, it’s been out of warranty, but I have already traded it through the dealer and bought the Simaudio 400m monoblocks, so The Audio Research is gone and at this point, I will gladly pay for that bad memory to be over. I don’t fault the dealer for none of this as I should have listened to my inner me and just said no. The dealer has been great and I was loaned some great equipment to listen to at my home and that experience is invaluable. Jay you once said if you are shopping on a budget look at Simaudio’s Evolution series. WellI didn’t exactly make it there all of the way, but I did get a pair of Simaudio 400m monoblocks, Class A/B, which fixed everything that was wrong with the Audio Research DS450 ,grip, control, finesse, low profile design and class A power for the first 10 watts and based on the evolution series of old. For speakers I will be auditioning many and that search has begun and Magnepans 1.7i maybe even 3.7 are on the list, but the wife will probably win the battle of the 3.7 not coming home due to size. I will be looking for a component sub or subs for the Maggie’s if I pull the trigger and I have three subs in route to my house. I have owned Maggie 1.6QR in the past and I never had the problems out of them that I had out of the Vandersteens and I never enjoyed the Vandersteens although good and they sounded great at the dealer’s showroom, I never forgot that Maggie sound, but I haven’t made a decision yet. Jay I thank you and your channel for making me think about The Who, what and why. I’m not bad mouthing Vandersteen and they make great sounding products, but just not for me and not on my dollar. It is not about pleasing your dealer or what sounds good at a show, but what sounds good in your listening room with your ears and if it doesn’t sound quite right at a dealers show room, forget potential, leave it right where it is. I have been allowed to try great sounding gear by a great dealer and this latest purchase was no exception as I have had the Simaudio 400m for over a month and I have enjoyed every day with them. I have been in this hobby for over 30 years and I have only been happy, really happy three times regardless of money spent and these Simaudio 400m are one of those times, so I thank you for encouraging me and others to think outside of themselves and be honest with themselves with what they are trying to achieve. Keep going and growing Jay, it’s guys like you are in the position financially to have the patience to continue to teach us old dogs and potential new dogs, “New Tricks”.

@bagelhunk

3 жыл бұрын

BØRRESEN 03 😋

@jaysaudiolab

3 жыл бұрын

@@sidvicious3129 thank you for your kind words

@stevepk8742

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you

@becausefresh2

3 жыл бұрын

Piega is also a very interesting brand. Maybe the Master Line Source 2 or the Master Line Source would be interesting speakers for your channel.

hi big man Jay! i came across this channel after reading your "whitecamaross" amplifier posts at audiogon. you may not be the most articulate person, but i love your channel, especially the magico videos where you explain the pros and cons . the message was clear, to the point, and you explained things no stereophile / TAS could. now i understand the kind of person i should be before i should buy a magico.

Love this dude. I’ve had a few items he’s reviewed. Having owned many large commercial recording studios. I can relate when he speaks on synergy with gear. Great channel.

Good to know information. I have heard similar things about owning an M6.

Thanks for your passion...

The aerial view of the equipment is awsome.

Continue exploring ... room acoustic , speakers placement, equips location and rack all these can shift the sound.

Great reviews on Magico speakers Jay. I like your reviews because they are honest. You tell it how you see it, it’s not all hype and the next best thing since boxer shorts! Magicos are great but beware… great review! Keep them coming.

Really good video. Thanks.

Congratulations on the Avantgarde Jay

I'm looking forward to the next speaker - but I will miss the M6's, yes, ruthless, revealing - admittedly, even I could afford them, they're certainly over my head- - one thing came through during they're journey in Jay's lab, those f'ing speakers are the most coherent dynamic driver type speaker that I've ever heard over You Tube - - I could never detect the sound of "multiple drivers" and in the context a speaker of that size with all those drivers, the coherency they present is, in my opinion, practically unbelievable - - - thanks for brining them to us Jay.

@arande3

3 жыл бұрын

I think the tweeter has a lot to do with it. I have that same tweeter with a soft dome and the coherency is crazy.

Finally you switched to something higher than 720p. I always wanted this quality as before the quality of audio gear didn't match video quality.

Will Vivid G1s, FOCAL Utopia Grand, Kharma Grand, Marten supreme，FM Acoustic XS-llB be the end?

Looking forward to seeing your next set of speakers. Keep up the great work you do for us all Jay

Hallo Jay, thanks for your informative videos.What do you think about Open Buffel Speakers?

I would look forward that you try some loudspeaker with Accuton Chassis. I am curious for your opinion.

Wilson Benesch is one high end brand you should get your hands on.

Jay, brotha! Massive respect for the energy and enthusiasm towards the audiophile world. Keep it up, and if that makes you happy more power to you ! Cheers. p. s Your hunger towards the audio gear, totally reminds of mine towards women! But each to its own.

@jaysaudiolab

3 жыл бұрын

Hahahah

@moandy6533

3 жыл бұрын

Audio gear are not troublesome some like women, I like my woman like AC conditioner working on the background with no trouble marry one then drag her into your audiophile world she will be lost in the equipment, before you know she will be switching cables and wires of your amps and speakers like Audioquest Ac conditioner

Jay, I just started watching your Channel. Part 1 and 2: Jay's take on the Magico M6! and Magico M6 : What are the CONs of owning this speaker? My take on your take. You have found weak points in your system that will have a definite impact on your future endeavors. You may like the Wilson's even more now. Well thanks for making this my new favorite channel.

I like your self examination, it takes courage to admit things like that.

@jaysaudiolab

3 жыл бұрын

Thank u

Looking forward to the next speaker, hope that would be rockport

@jkim4712

3 жыл бұрын

Wilson Chronosonic XVX

@theredboneking

3 жыл бұрын

BAYZ Audio Counterpoint 2.0. Or BØRRESEN 05 Silver Supreme Edition

Hey Jay if that speaker drove you to exhaustion and did not engage you enough to stay up till early in the morning then it was not touching you on an emotional level and for that kind of investment you should never want to turn it off and go to sleep. Great channel buddy and thanks for your genuine approach.

@jaysaudiolab

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Frank

I think you would like to look into what Andy Payor has to offer......I would love Rockports of some sort myself. I appreciate you actually own the gear....but how do you absorb the depreciation hit on every transaction? I am assuming you have everything on dealer loan until you decide to actually buy it? Great gear and channel though. Keep it up.

I'd really like to see some CH Precision Electronics - - actually, I've thought for some time that sooner or later we'll probably see some of their gear in Jay's Audio Lab.

@ahmed.alnaqbi

2 жыл бұрын

Ch full stack M10 L10 hell yeah

The most important to your audience is the truth when you review anything. Keep it real!

Audiovector r8 arrete speakers? Or Audiovector r11

The M6's seem good enough to keep up with improvements in stereo equipment well into the future.

@jaysaudiolab

3 жыл бұрын

More coming.

What is the make of the silver resonance plates on top of the amps?

I might have asked this before, but do you see yourself trying out a highly efficient speaker like DeVores? Their Orangutans with some decent tube gear is interesting to me and also is more in my range of budget. Instead of getting crazier and crazier amps, maybe more agile speaker?

What other decent air suspension speakers(tower)are on the market?

Please share the unboxing experience for the next speaker and thank you!

Have you Ever Listend to the Tidal Speakers. I agree on Joseph Audio stuff also tremendous sound. See Jay I don’t have the ability to change around alot this will surely be my last speaker sorry to say but would like to hit the Bullseye. Thanks always wanted to do what you are doing but running a small Motorcycle shop took all my time and $$. Good Luck stay healthy and God Bless

I REALLY WANT TO SEE SOMETHING DIFFERENT THIS TIME IN JAY'S CAVE. LIKE FYNE AUDIO F1, 12 OR SONUS FABER AIDA 2.🤞THANKS🙂

Are the M6s going up to Precision Audio Video out of Chicago?

Hi Jay. Do you think you will ever get a piece of equipment with that end game status?

Hi Jay, Have you ever considered the Nagra HD HV pre and Nagra HD 2020 monoblocs. All the best from the UK

@jaysaudiolab

3 жыл бұрын

I have but i have no access to it yet

Speakers that expensive shouldn’t be the hard to make sound good.

@laurentzduba1298

3 жыл бұрын

Probably as expensive as those nitromethanol fueled funny-cars that go 0 to 200 mph in 5 seconds flat.🤔

@trekjudas

3 жыл бұрын

@@laurentzduba1298 I'm not against them being expensive. The finest things in life are expensive BUT they should work! It shouldn't be a chore to get to work.

@theredboneking

3 жыл бұрын

@@trekjudas Subscribe to acoustic fields. I have owned a pair of speakers that sounds like heaven in one room and garbage in the other. A properly treated room is as important as the components themselves.

@trekjudas

3 жыл бұрын

@@theredboneking I have pasted a least half a dozen links to them here.

Have you had the opportunity to try Kharma speakers Jay? Incredible channel & room set up.

Jay, during my audio life , I've only heard 'Boxed' design speakers, anychance you could audition various designs out there ?

@jaysaudiolab

3 жыл бұрын

More coming

I am curious about the room. I hear reflections and resonances.

I’m going to guess either Avalon Acoustics or YG Acoustics. I think it has to be American made as most overseas products have significant delays unless it’s a dealer demo.

@Benvos

3 жыл бұрын

I’m thinking YG as well because he mentioned the weight, perhaps the SonjaXV…

Very good point on warranty issues returning to Magico. At the price point should be more Accommodating. No Grill is a problem too i have been considered S1 i always liked the idea of Q1. But haven’t heard any in live settings. I love the M2 and all M series but can’t afford that range. Was hoping they came out with a M1 2 way stand Mount. I have smaller listing area but love the Best minus the below 30hz stuff. S1mk2 ? Wilson I admire but have always not a fan of the constant model changes and you’re Purchase of maybe 2 years ago becoming Obsolete with no upgrade path. Look At YG speakers most models are upgraded from the earliest to Present and have heard a few at Shows the Carmel is Fantastic speaker.

Without a reference system that you've lived with for a long time, you're continually losing your reference point. How do you know if another amp or speaker sounds better than what you had before, when the entire system is completely different now?

@jaysaudiolab

3 жыл бұрын

I don't. This is about the journey and not the destination...this is about you guys listening and taking notes...

Jay is like the Dom Toretto of Magico speakers. One last ride!

Brah. You need to try some Proac speakers. I think you would like their flagship K10. It’s all about the music. Good channel!

if you have the opertunity to try Burmester amps and speakers that would be cool :)

Very respectful Jay Well done. Humble man

Well Sir, I do believe in your sincerity and integrity. But I also wanted to say that I will never,ever understand what drives you.

@moandy6533

3 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂 I do, I am like him I have 60k system but I am not done, I still want own couple more speakers and amps, the difference between me and him is, mine are not for sale unless they make me unhappy and bad like some nasty Rotel amp that I bought and disappointed me so bad until now I cannot believe the nerve of that amp and my dealer rotel supplier didn’t want to take it back.

I think you should try the Magico q7

Cause like you said it overpowered the room.

Hey brother, what part of the country do you live in?

Spectral audio kick ass

What about Vandersteen Model 7? Love to hear your opinions.

@jaysaudiolab

3 жыл бұрын

I almost bought them but the deal fell through

Why did I let go of the Magico M6?... because that's what you do! (it's a never-ending Carousel). It seems like that's what you enjoy doing, and more power to you to pull it off... Have fun!

do you purchase all of these items new and then resell them? that's got to be extremely expensive considering all the losses from re-selling used equipment no ?

@adamk4716

3 жыл бұрын

An expensive hobby which is not an issue if you have the green.

@gme10955

3 жыл бұрын

I'm guessing he had them in on audition.

@jaysaudiolab

3 жыл бұрын

@@gme10955 negative. They are mine. Everything you see on my channel is mine

@zmikem53

3 жыл бұрын

@@chrisrichards2827 you don’t have to be if you buy good equipment that holds it value

@divertiti

3 жыл бұрын

He has agreements with dealers

Interesting reasons to churn gear. Not sure how much satisfaction anyone can get when one is always looking for the next latest and greatest. Depends I guess on the budget...but even so, seems like a rabbit hole that can lead to ultimate dissatisfaction with the hobby, and therefore an exit from it. Perhaps, like most of us, as a'philes we are always seeking the 'absolute sound'..and thereby always just a few steps away. Personally, I think the room has the biggest impact of all...and looking at your room, that is where I would still expend funds. The BIG screen in the background would be a place to look at...and then the ceiling, etc.

Subscribed

I think I found my "Audio Heaven"channel on U-tube!! Jay, you speak from your heart and it is greatly appreciated. Really like your ideas about trying as much gear as possible. Please, explore your *** off. I'll be here to hear it all with a big smile on my face. Thank you for ALL of your efforts. Ed.

@jaysaudiolab

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Ed. More is coming your way

Hope it is a Rockport Technology!

@swredman

3 жыл бұрын

My dealer, Jeff Harris, brought a pair of Atria II's to my home for me to audition. Stunning.

Tidal Akira ? 🤗

next system😊 maybe Kharma + Lamm ML3 😊

Dont forget the ceilings

MBL would be a nice speaker brand to check out.

Love the journey. Next speaker, rare....let's see Sonus Faber Aida, Wilson XVX, Vivid Giya G1S, Rockport Lyra or VSA Ultra 9???

@jkim4712

3 жыл бұрын

Wilson

@polymusegal

3 жыл бұрын

I too would like to see Sonus Faber speakers…

please make a video about m9 speakers and MXO connections. I want to see how you connect preamp, mxo cross over and magico m9.

TAD Reference one?

*WHERE do you go after such epic speakers, M9 I guess?*

Tidal loudspeakers from Germany are great.

deleting comments?

Is this a store or is it your home?

@jaysaudiolab

3 жыл бұрын

Home

Next TAD Reference ?

Fantastiše

I see magico I subscribe.

Jay, listening you speaking, I think there is a lot of room for improvement of acoustics of that room.

@jaysaudiolab

3 жыл бұрын

That's why i am working on it

@theredboneking

3 жыл бұрын

@@jaysaudiolab Acoustic Fields. Too bad your ceiling is 8’

Can we have a hint as to the new speaker

@jaysaudiolab

3 жыл бұрын

It's over 500 lbs

@adamk4716

3 жыл бұрын

@@jaysaudiolab Thanks. Each or the pair. I assume each :)

@jkim4712

3 жыл бұрын

Wilson Chronosonic XVX

I can’t see the dCS so I’m assuming the MSB won…

@jaysaudiolab

3 жыл бұрын

It's in here sitting on the sidelines

The best studios use ATC, you could end the hunt there, but where's the fun in that.

I would like to see KARAN Acoustics electronics in action...

Not a lot of people can afford speakers such as this,so it makes sense that most reviews are made on equipment most people can actually buy,yes that's a must in business to have cash so you grab the deal,is this a kind of review?

Keep the Magico

Maybe you could try a Acapella Audio Arts

@jaysaudiolab

Жыл бұрын

Hmm

Jay have you tried the LampizatOr DAC’s? I’d like to hear your opinion on the Pacific dac. Give it a try and report back please. I know you’re usually a solid state guy but this tube dac is very very musical and I think you will love the timbre and tonality. Cheers from Italy

don't you lose too much money on each reselling ? i am subscribed but reason 2 makes me sad. Don't loose money for "us".

Jay I know you hate Magico customer service, to apologize you they need to send long term test for M9, I wonder what those monsters are up to and who they for. $750K speakers they better cooking my meal, washing the dishes and making me espresso ☕️

This is going to be a lengthy comment! Hopefully it will not ruffle feathers! I am really happy that you are investing on room treatment, getting a little bit serious about the effect of room treatment. The amount of money you have invested just on gears / equipment, if for a change, you allocate 25-30% of the total budget to room treatment, I guarantee you will enjoy listening a lot more to whatever gear you will have at that time. No matter how expensive or latest and greatest your equipment are, you are listening to your room. So why not take care of the room that will remain constant regardless of the rotating audio gears! I am pretty sure, five years from now, when you get a chance to reflect on this incredible journey, you will have a nice smile knowing that you took care of your listening room to make the hobby and your journey a lot more enjoyable :))) And thanks for doing everything that you do for us the followers/watchers!

@jaysaudiolab

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks man

A microscope will show the flaws of a diamond and that's basically what the Magico M6 is doing.

@jaysaudiolab

3 жыл бұрын

Yes

Jay, can’t you just keep a pair that you truly love and simply use them as a reference for others to be compared against for future videos? If I owned a pair that I really loved, they’re not leaving my home!

The bottom line, sounds like the Magico are overpriced by about 55k sure the other components matter but let's keep it real, Jay is using some of the best equipment I have ever seen, I highly doubt that adding a few tweaks and changing some fuses will make a dramatic difference. Seems like Wilson is the better choice, I cant wait to try the Alexia 2.

@timschutte3961

Жыл бұрын

Wilson looks horrible Focal or Dali is what i would buy cause looks matter too

You said you failed at AC line conditioning! Do you really believe those high end audio amps like the Gryphon, Boulder, Dan D' Agostino, Pass Labs, Constellation, and Audio Research would benefit from an AC Line Conditioner like a Audioquest Niagara 7000 or Regenerator Power Plant like a PS Audio P20? Aren't these $$$ high current amps designed to accommodate AC power fluctuations? You live in a house and not an apt. so wouldn't AC power be cleaner by not sharing circuits with your neighbors and, therefore, not require an expensive AC upgrade accessory for better sound, imaging, dynamics?

@jaysaudiolab

3 жыл бұрын

Some amps don't benefit from power conditioners

Love to see your analysis of Eggleston speakers in your room...

@stuartblum2389

3 жыл бұрын

Got to listen to a friend’s Viginti’s on Monday. Holy Shinto!

Are these Speakers and super amplifiers on loan and you have to return them in a reasonable time, I do love your channel but something doesn't sit right with me with all of this and sadly it looks like (click bate), all of this come back at whatever date to view my findings, Jay! you are better than this.

@jaysaudiolab

3 жыл бұрын

You clearly didn't watch my video where i stated who this gear belongs to.

@grahamlester1386

3 жыл бұрын

@@jaysaudiolab If you can't make this gear work for you to be happy and need to spend more $10000000.00 to justify improvement, you are in a really sad place to be! No one needs a $1million system to enjoy music.

@silviosarunic3234

3 жыл бұрын

@@grahamlester1386 get a life man!

@grahamlester1386

3 жыл бұрын

@@silviosarunic3234 Probably I do, I get so disappointed with Audiophiles who regard great music as only a template to judge their HiFi system .

When you have to change gear don't you lose a lot of money? It's like changing cars, every time you sell you lose a lot.

Boy does that room sound bad. Two year old vid & he has added more room treatment. Still, not good for evaluation.

Please tell me the new speakers are the Sonus Faber Aida's.

I think you did a got job to let go the difficult Magico. Music listening must be fun, and get peace in mind of that.

Atc scm300

Vivid Audio

It is not the room, it is the amps. You need the high powered amplifiers you had previously to drive these beasts.

Told you those speakers sound artificial and dull. They should be renamed the M-Dull.

@KT88gs

3 жыл бұрын

You are a funny guy.

Try MBL