I always got the impression he still tolerated the 501st but the others were nothing to him, especially the Coruscant guard.

@roguexvampire

Ай бұрын

The 501st eas gis loyal men. He loved them still.

@JohnnyDominion

Ай бұрын

He respected them more than any other in the Imperial Army. It was also a bit of nostalgia and attachment. They were the only ones left from his life before the suit, after destroying his family and the Jedi Order he didn't have much left. Unlike others he didn't needlessly kill them for failures but he wasn't against killing them if necessary like he did Vills.

@Halloweendm

Ай бұрын

There are too many stories, comics and novels that showed Vader didn’t hate his clones. This is just another video to drum up views.

@pkizzlebeats

29 күн бұрын

Facts same with Tarkin

@Influence_Force_99

27 күн бұрын

Ssme

I still prefer the legends 501st. over Canon. They may have originally been loyal to Palpatine, but the fact that they were placed under Vader's sole command, and knew him very well meant that in all likelyhood, just as happened historically with armies being loyal to generals, and not countries, had Vader ordered them to move against the Empire, they probably would have followed his orders over loyalty to Palpatine

@s0t5iranger69

Ай бұрын

There was still the issue of the inhibitor chips and the orders

@Jakkob37

Ай бұрын

I agree

@anon4854

Ай бұрын

Legends is pretty much superior in every way to Disney era lore.

Anakin treated them like real living beings, like individuals even, but when they casually slaughtered jedi they considered friends, without question or the ability to refuse because that was simply what they were programmed to do, he got reminded of what they actually are, fake beings no better than the droids they were fighting, tools to be used and then thrown away.

@supernautacus

Ай бұрын

VERY well said!

@hanc37

19 күн бұрын

Programmed to do. Nothing personal.

“Vader couldn’t trust his master as far as he could throw him.” I see what you did there. Lol

@Gor85

Ай бұрын

Nice 😁

@admarshall2214

Ай бұрын

Yeah… I was gonna say but that means… he trusted him very deeply.

@DatMentalGamer

29 күн бұрын

for a brick...he flew pretty good -Vader

@DarrenMoore-le6pg

17 күн бұрын

Ultimately, Darth Sidious was no match for the “Force of gravity.”

@Gor85

17 күн бұрын

@@DarrenMoore-le6pg nice one😁

Love how you referred to Anakin's troops as "Rex and the bois."

I’m sure Anakin still had attachments to his army of the 501st. Which transferred to Vader, but Vader is not Anakin, personality wise, and thus his attitude to them was different.

@JohnnyDominion

Ай бұрын

I try not to dissociate the the two. Darth Vader is the darker aspects of Anakin that became way too prominent. While certain characteristics as his live of battle never changed.

@InfiniteNaos

Ай бұрын

@@JohnnyDominion I try to think of it like this Vader learned a lot from Anakin. His battle tactics, his time with the Clones, the Jedi Temple, even his wife Padme. Yet, it ends there because Vader is his own person just in the body of Anakin. Similar to Revan when his light and dark side split it’s the same for Anakin but remain in the same body. Maybe not every darksider or lightsider has a personality split in the force, but a select few have to confront themselves just like Yoda fighting his own darkside. The key moment when Vader and Anakin did become one before his death was in the throne room against the Emperor. The final critical moment as Vader was contemplating staying loyal to Palpatine or saving his son and thus chose the latter despite still harboring the darkside and only being Anakin when he got to see Luke with his own eyes.

@YomamaYodaddyYobjtchassGranny

Ай бұрын

@@InfiniteNaosperfectly said I loved when he saved Luke and became anakin again one of the best parts in the entire saga. Also loved that he finally accepted he was both Vader and anakin

@InfiniteNaos

Ай бұрын

@@YomamaYodaddyYobjtchassGranny Even the recent Ahsoka series showcased both Anakin and Vader coming to an agreement by having a proper balance of light with dark hence why we see him go in between both persons though of course Anakin is still himself.

@JohnnyDominion

Ай бұрын

@InfiniteNaos The reason I don't consider to separate personal (Even though the dark side has been proven to have severe psychological effects on people) is that it takes away a certain measure of accountability and running from guilt or regret. Though Darth Vader was cruel malevolent, violent and much more it was not a matter of simply falling victim to the dark side. Anakin chose to embrace the darker nature of himself. It was always present in him as good and bad exists in us all. During the clone wars or growing up we knew the darker tendencies he had. The pride and impatience in him but it was somewhat tempered. When he chose to become a darksider he allowed the other parts of his personality that he repressed to come out. Anakin Skywalker didn't die so Darth Vader could rise, no he let one part of his overall personality dominate the other and then he changed for the worst. Unlike people like Exar Kun, Ulic Qel-Droma or Kyp Durron in which the dark side was forces upon them to an extent, Anakin always had a choice and he chose selfishly.

Betrayal is a core tenet of the Sith, they will inevitably turn on each other. I don't believe Order 151 was taken off the the table. Palpatine breathes treachery and Vader knows it, his master betrayed Dooku, Maul, the Sepratists and Darth Plagueis. If Palpatine can do all that then there is no doubt he will betray Vader. This is proven correct as Palpatine tries to betray Vader not once but twice with new younger apprentices such as Starkiller and Luke Skywalker.

@Artur_0905

24 күн бұрын

Another example (though it is on canon) is in the Vader Comic series following the events of ANH when Palpatine is considering a bunch of replacements for Vader. Not apprentices… not yet anyway… but for the Empire. In his words if Vader would be defeated by one of these replacements, then said replacement would be better than him “You proved yourself worthy of that name back then. I’m sure you’ll do so again”

@toxicbatwing9828

18 күн бұрын

I thought starkiller was vaders apprentice not palpatines

@Artur_0905

18 күн бұрын

@@toxicbatwing9828 He was. But Palps was willing to replace Vader with Starkiller at the Death Star (and he did in an alternate timeline)

The Jedi are the sith The sith are the jedi EXCUTE ORDER 66

In Vader's defense trusting the clones post order 66 is a horrible idea because they still have programming. We saw this when the inquisitor clones turned on the inquisitors because of an order 66 technicality.

@HeyImRams

12 күн бұрын

The literal entire video discusses the other canon where they specifically don't have that programming. Wouldn't "in his defense" just apply to a different idea then spoken here?

Vader couldn't trust his master as far as he could throw him. Ironic given how far he threw him in Return of the Jedi.

I like to imagine that he prefers to fight alongside Clones because he respects them due to serving together in the Clone Wars. He had an entire legion named "Vader's First" which were made up of 501st Clone troopers. Vader will never confess it, but there is a sliver of Anakin in him that does hold the clone in a favorable regard.

Vader also shared his masters viewpoint that the clones had served their purpose and now, like the Jedi, were obsolete . Order 151 could have been around since at least Doku since Palpatine really despised the Jedi. Even if they had fallen, they would still not achieve the full mastery of the Sith

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Seeing the Clones reminded him of who he used to be.

In legends, he was still very loyal to the fett clones, and respected them as men and soldiers. Infact was more at ease with fett clones than with nonclone troopers and imp officers. Some troopers were actually as much a friend to him as anyone could be. But not surprised its all retconn'd in disney canon

@krispalermo8133

Ай бұрын

People yelling .. canon .. , reminds me of protestants. Main difference they are non-religious but the " with me or against me " sect mentality still remains. F-cking Us politics. Shallow people calling themselves True Fans. As for Legends, multiple growing timelines. The Fett clones came about from " Clone Wars," and the Thrawn trilogy had a line if the Fel clones get lose it will be the Clone Wars all over again under imperial control. Novel, video game, comic series, toy line, " Shadows of the Empire " had an Indepth view into Vader inner thoughts along with his spy network and what/how Vader's direct underlings view him. Looking at ESB, the bridge crew was nervous around Vader, as for the mercs/bounty hunters .. it was Tuesday. Then there was Vader's Bast castle on planet Vjun. That paints a very interesting picture on how the officers view Vader.

@samc9133

Ай бұрын

Didn't the video say it's pulling from legends for this though?

@bewawolf19

17 күн бұрын

@@krispalermo8133 You on drugs or something? how the hell is someone mentioning the bad canon changes akin to politics or religion? You seem very delusional mate, go outside and touch grass.

The clones also aged much faster than normally so naturally it would cost way less to use natural humans for storm troopers

This was a good expose. I always wondered why the clones didn't attack Anakin, once order 66 was issued. How could they tell one Jedi apart, from a Sith? This makes sense. Now I wonder when 'order 66' was disabled. Was it set to remain active for 60 days, or did Palpatine give the command a few days later?

To be fair. Vader threw Palpatine really far away.

Well, he did like Commander Appo still, so I would say his problem wasn't with the clones as a whole.

All i know is anakin didn't have a chip inside his head that made him slaughter children, so kind of a case of throwing stones in glass houses here.

Like Anakin after the Clone Wars the Clones themselves were forever changed into something more monstrous than anything they could ever imagine, and for Vader that was thing to realize that they had no relation to one or the other.

Maybe Palpatine will use order 66 on Vader in case he betrayed The Emperor and find a new apprentice too!?

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I prefer the version where vader would do all he could to save his troopers but hated the officers that made more sense to me.

What about the 501st, aka Vader's Fist?

It seems a weird thing, to worry about trust, when you are a Sirh Lord; it comes wirh the territory that you trust no one, and if that constant guarding doesn't deplete you, and thus get you killed, it adds to your power, like hate, fear, and pain. I sat this too often, but I still really don't like the cop out of the inhibitor chips. I guess that they do cover a few bases; it's easier to like Rex, and the other Clones, in Rebels, if you know that they were damaged heroes, instead of lying infiltrators, and it helps explain how no one ever knew, prior, but I still feel it was better when they were just evil, and biding their time; that yes, they were indoctrinated, but they had the choice, and they made it, which showed how terrible the Empire could be. My favorite Clone Troopers bit was the game where the one said something to the effect of "Never before had I been so grateful to have these helmets; we never could have lied to the Jedi so well without them." It loses so much weight when he might've just been a happy, patriotic soldier who then had an involuntary kill switch flipped in his head.

Do I have this wrong? The "orders" were programmed into the clones chip. From what I gathered from the animated series is the clones didn't know the orders until they heard them. It was more subliminal, than conscious. So it would be useless for vader to ask a clone about the orders because the clone wouldn't know it until received the order.

@samc9133

Ай бұрын

At the beginning the video says they are pulling from Legends, in which the chips didn't exist.

Very nice.

I remember having commented a video from the Clone Wars, the scene where Tup's cheep disfonctioned and he executed Order 66 prematurely. After his initial break, he had a second one and just before he was deluring "Good soldier follow orders... Kill the jedi!" his head bouncing left to right. If you rewatch the scene, you'll see that he sees Anakin during this moment, ignoring him as a "jedi". Which confirms that he was excluded from Order 66 and I remembered telling myself... Sidious took an horrible risk: there was no way the Anakin's exeption could have been implemented without the Kaminoens knowing.

Clones will forever be remembered for their services.

Vader/Anakin had a lot longer than 3 years of fighting with the Jedi and he betrayed them as well

'He didn't trust his master as far as he could throw him' Didn't he throw him several kilometres?

I like your videos to an extent. It's always why palpatine feared a muffin made by Yoda to obi wan being the best from how many Jedi back flips he could do. I'm glad you are doing well though good for you.

6:56 what comic is this

Of course he absolutely hated the clones. They represented both aspects of his life simultaneously, while also being a constant reminder that they were superior to almost every single Stormtrooper.

@Dyno2999

14 күн бұрын

oh give it a break

It's NOT Clone Culture, it's "Space Maori" Culture . . . Hey Bro?

I don't know, man. He threw Ol' Poppa Palpy aways down that shaft...lol

Considering how powerful pre-suit Vader was and how ruthless he is in battle, I don't think Order 151 would have worked all that well.

501st hournal and the dakr horse comics say otherwise. Vader respected the clobes

Was Yoda able to see the fall of the Jedi Order when he allowed himself to touch the dark side while trying to redeem Dooku in Dark Rendezvous

I could see conflicting thoughts on them. Between being reminders of the past and being effective in combat, though the lack of seeing a facial expression makes reading Darth Vader difficult.

I think it’s because the clones remind Vader of Anakin and he hates that.

Didn’t some of his personal stormtroopers come from the 501st? Maybe I’m thinking of legends, I always thought it was cool the 501st showed such loyalty to Anakin/Vader

I've been thinking did Jabba had a sibling since he has a nephew in the clone wars

wonder what would happen if Vader and Rex meet.

Darth Vader didn’t hate nor would he ever hate Clones.

Yea I get it man it’s like if your girl ever cheats on someone else to be with you, how can you really trust her if she did it to someone else…

Palpatine was always one step ahead.. maybe even 2 steps

My guess, without having watched: He hated the clones for being no better than him.

That's because Commander Vill couldn't get Lord Vader Red Velvet Oreo's and leaked that he would being fed through his behinds.

Vader could throw his master a good distance, so...lol

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Vader killed so many out of anger and still gets to be a force ghost. Being a light side Jedi seems trivial.

I didn’t know Vader hated Clone Troopers. I thought he admired them even as Vader. Putting aside that Clone Troopers obeys Palpatine over Vader when given. I think its because Vader refuse to trust anyone around him: Palpatine, self-serving Imperial officers, and even Stormtroopers if ordered to attack Vader. Tarkin and Thrawn are somewhat ‘friends’ to Vader but they are more motivated by their personal agendas. If going back further, it’s possible he hardly trust anyone even when he was still Anakin and as a Jedi. Not even Obi-Wan Kenobi. Though Kenobi is one of few people closest to Anakin, he can’t share all his feelings and Kenobi is Jedi first. It kind of make sense why he think Padme betrays him on Mustafar. He didn’t trust the Jedi, Palpatine (obviously), and even the Clone Troopers who just killed his once fellow Jedi without a second thought. Also should note Vader’s distrust in people is why he even had an army or squad of BX droid commandos at one point.

"Vader couldn't trust Palpatine any further than he can throw him"? Lol. Who's gonna tell him???

This is shame. I understand he was a Sith but this is sad. His connection with 501 tarnished. I like Vader throwing Palpatine pun😁May the Force be with you too 😊

There's no reason why 151 would go away. Vader is dangerous and unpredictable to Palpatine. That's kind of the point. A recent video pointed out Vader chafing under Palpatine's Death Star team. If Vader had gone rogue and tried to split the Empire, absolutely Palpatine would have called 151.

@specteractual1

Ай бұрын

Order 151 what is been to take out Anakin the troopers don't know him as Anakin they know him as Darth Vader so it would have to be a completely new order put in

@LetholdusKaspyr

Ай бұрын

@@specteractual1 Would be easier to expand 151's definitions based on a true thing than build in a new order.

“A terrible thing when Vader couldn’t trust his master as far as he could throw him.” And as it would turn out, he could throw him pretty far.

Thought that trooper was saying GAY! in the thumbnail

Must say Vader is right on this one , fight beside someone save there life become comrades. And on one command they will bump you off. I’d lose trust too

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Vaders execution order should’ve been order 501

Ok. But Vader could throw Papa palps pretty far. Probably not the best way to put his trust into perspective 😂

Vader couldn’t trust his master as far as he could throw him. I see what ya did there 👉👉

There were Orders 67 onwards that superseded Order 66.

Day one requesting what if Anakin and obi wan both died on mustafar?

Why didn't Vader usurp Palpatine?

Stormtroopers should never have replaced clones bad idea on the empires side clones are way better fighters stormtroopers can't hit anything 😂

@mlo009

Ай бұрын

Terrible aim.

@tarden132

29 күн бұрын

it's wasn't just bad aim it was also their training since the empire often took short cuts later through the years into the the galactic civil war. the clone troopers were trained thoroughly for a variety like enforcement, combat, stealth, among other things an also their training was more extended for soldiers. while the stormtroopers was just basic since technically they're meant for enforcement then soldiers

At the very least, he cared about the 501st

Day 501 of asking for a part 3 of what if anakin was trained by qui gon

...but Vader did throw his master purdy far 🤔

What if Tup killed Anakin

Programed not willing. Good solders follow orders.

It always irritates me to hear, normal stormtroopers are not as good as the clones. Well, duh! But you never hear about anyone continuing training to make them better. If Baron Fel could turn a bad squadron into the best, then Vader could possibly have it done with the 501st.

I mean, he ended up throwing his master pretty far....

Pretty sure Vader threw Palatine pretty far.

Is because they see him as poor loser. Big mistake to call him

I don't know..... Vader threw his master pretty far. Might not be most appropriate expression.

I mean, Darth Vader hates literally everybody that's not Padme or Luke. You could just make a "Why Darth Vader hates X" video every day and replace X with any character other than those two who was alive during the Empire.

And I was under the impression Vader had respect for the clones.

The inhibitor chips was such a dumb addition in my opinion.

Jedi = sith Sith = jedi Def order66 Return kill jedi

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Always mixing legends and canon just to pump out content

@V8Brah

29 күн бұрын

exactly. its all bull****. worse than disney.

Clone Trooper: “General Skywalker…”That name no longer has any meaning for me!!!” * choke choke

i think when order 66 was commenced, Anakin remembered Fives without a doubt and put the pieces together, however, order 66 completely warps the clones psyche the pretty much became different people which is probably why Anakin forced a distant relationship with them to void his attachments he had previously

Because leading the clones reminded him as Anakin. And he wants to forget that former persona so bad

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Thumbs down from me for saying acolyte, the most woke piece of trash ever made.

So vader hated the clones in Canon ?

Wars won honestly by anakin? Bud.. he committed quite a lot of war crimes. I like the guy, but let’s be real.

darth vader literally blamed everyone and anything but himself for his own actions most hated starwars character for me. literal man child, respect him as a combatant and strategist but his immaturity makes him hard to like. i know youre not supposed to LIKE like him but many still like his character for "being complex" hes not hes just little ani in a cyborg suit. i guess thats great story telling after all. but yeah justv my two cents.

You gotta stop making s*** up

But did you mean the pun because Vader did throw him down the shaft?