If you think about it, Plagueis has a point. How many Jedi that turned to the dark side end up turning back, Vader, Reva, Starkiller, Ventress, etc.

@YTHandlesSuck

Жыл бұрын

Starkiller was never a Jedi to begin with, he just turned to the light side for some reason

@darth.dominus.the.savage

Жыл бұрын

You forgot revan and Uliq qel droma, both were jedi that turned and then were redeemed

@YTHandlesSuck

Жыл бұрын

@@darth.dominus.the.savage he doesn’t need to mention all of them

@mcrobielord1503

Жыл бұрын

You forgot to mention kylo Ren

@darth.dominus.the.savage

Жыл бұрын

@@YTHandlesSuck true but reva, ventress and star killer were not sith, starkiller wasnt even a jedi either and at best they were all only apprentices to others, revan and uliq were fully formed jedi that turned

The old Muun had a point occasionally, but this is one take of his that seems born entirely of personal bias. Of course he and most any Sith would look down on fallen Jedi because it can easily come off as someone taking the Dark path as a last resort or out of desperation. Falling due to love or fear of loss still implies moral fiber that the Sith necessarily tend to lack from the start or lose early on in their training. But a good person turned to evil can be far more frightening. The line is blurred to the point where they can endlessly rationalize their own actions and draw strength from not just pain, anger, etc. like any other dark sider but also from their prior sense of conviction and justice. They will consider themselves to be a bringer of order, not simply seeking power for its own sake and that can make a person far more dangerous.

Plagueis reminds me of Bane from "The Dark Knight Rises" as he ridiculed Batman for trying to use the darkness: "Oh, you think darkness is your ally. But you merely adopted the dark; I was born in it, molded by it. I didn’t see the light until I was already a man. And by then, it was nothing to me but blinding."

@genghisk4808

Жыл бұрын

Nice comparison

Didn't plagueis consider dooku a candidate for the sith whilst he was still a jedi master if sidious were to be killed?

@flyingtiger1603

Жыл бұрын

Yes. He even stated that Dooku could be the one Jedi who could defeat Sidious. Which is why Sidious chose him as his next apprentice after Maul because he knew he would be a powerful ally both in the force and politically as well.

@krxwnvxk3432

Жыл бұрын

And bringing him in he could make sure he gets rid of him personally before he got powerful enough to realize that

He may look down his nose at Sith that turned from Jedi but if you put a saber in Dooku's (as Darth Tyranus) hand and one in Plagueis' hand and told then they had to fight to the death.......Bye bye Plagueis!

@jaredlewis6854

Жыл бұрын

Fack yea man!!!

I think the unique aspect of plagueis that makes his perspective make sense is that, moreso than other sith lords, his goal was complete understanding and mastery over the force. Sure, many other sith have exerted more control over more other sentient beings, but it would be hard to argue that many worked so hard to understand how the force works. Whereas most sith seemed to view knowledge primarily as a means to power, for plagueis it was the other way around. I get the feeling that were plagueis to suddenly become a truly omnipotent god, he would entirely cease to concern himself with the affairs of other beings, as they would not matter.

@FlurryMainchin

Жыл бұрын

he rejected the idea of the "living" force... he saw it as essentially an energy, not something that can have a will of it's own. He approached it purely scientifically. He was a genius and discovered some new things, but he was far from understanding it the best. That was precisely his fatal flaw, in fact - the dark side of the force killed him for his blasphemy. Because he was wrong, and the force does have a will.

@FlurryMainchin

Жыл бұрын

Like, I agree, there's a logic to his approach that makes sense. It was even fruitful to a certain degree. But it was also very wrong for reasons that have nothing to do with logic, and would never have enabled him to fulfil his ultimate goals... he was so wrong to the degree that his biggest achievements became his biggest failures. Everything backfired.

@torydavis10

Жыл бұрын

@@FlurryMainchin I think we agree entirely, actually. I wasn't explaining why he was right, I was explaining what was different about his motivations to give him a different perspective.

@FlurryMainchin

Жыл бұрын

@@torydavis10 yeah haha, I thought so, also kinda wrote that for the sake of readers :D

@lucabestea6844

Жыл бұрын

​@@FlurryMainchin he did learn about the Living Force, when he heard about Anakin being fatherless. Joke's on him. He could have, from then on, learned about it, but the Force already ensured his downfall, with Palpatine killing him.

Plagueis had a naive notion of the force! As Jedi who could learn about the dark side without succumbing to it were very powerful. The obvious example being Master Mace Windu. He could study the dark side and even let it help him in combat and as everyone knows Mace Windu was insane OP. How could Plagueis become so well-versed in the force and become the omnipotent immortal that he wanted to be if he wasn't willing to learn and understand the light side? A Jedi (even padawan) have extensive knowledge of the light side of the force and when turned, learns the dark side. That makes them more complete force users. But as anyone who's read the book knows, Plagueis was the epitome of an egomaniac!

@TheAyanamiRei

Жыл бұрын

EXCEPT Mace Windu was Dark Side Adjacent. He was a Jedi who channeled his Inner Darkness, but WITHOUT ever embracing it.

@MaffeyZilog

Жыл бұрын

@@TheAyanamiRei I know, you're right. If you look I was very careful not to use any words that said he embraced or channeled it etc. And when I said he used it to help him in combat, in the books it goes into detail about how he can, in combat, became a conduit for the darkside but not by embracing it, by not being scared of the dark side* and understanding it he could turn the fear that was supposed to weaken the Jedi back onto the Sith. In most cases he simply negated any advantage the dark side would have given the Sith but in some cases he could actually turn whatever dark trick was being employed back on to the Sith trying it. *(which is a tactic used by Sith to give an edge in combat. Any fears for the dark side become a palpable weakness for the Jedi fighting the Sith)

The banite sith looked down on fallen jedi as early as Bane himself. They felt that these people would always be tainted by the teachings of the jedi. Ironic, as the sith were formed by exiled jedi.

I completely agree. Despite his enormous ego,Plageis is somewhat right. Jedi who became Sith werent really dark side. Though like you said Exar Kum,Revan,Malak had ENORMOUS powerful in the dark. Those most Sith knew only dark side. Plagueis opinion reminds of Bane. May the Force be with you too

"you merely adopted the dark, I was born in it. formed by it"

@mrclean7164

Жыл бұрын

Literally thought of the same thing

Just got to this part in the Plagueis book the other day. Really good book so far.

My jedi character: "Dark side light side? Bah! I use whatever side is needed for the situation

Dang those tuskin raiders really know how to draw out people’s dark sides 😅

"Thirty in a millennium, rather than the tens of thousands fit to be Jedi. Any Sith can feign compassion and self-righteousness, and master the Jedi arts, but only one in a thousand Jedi could ever become a Sith." - Darth Plagueis

I think Plagueis was mostly wrong, it is true that there were Sith from the start did a lot but Sith that were Jedi first are better and more dangerous for they had training tap into the Force and will use some their Jedi training help while Sith are more or less running in the dark. Though how powerful which kind of Sith will be is often a case by case bases. Though real question is how will Sith from start be comes Jedi will act will it befit them

To add onto your point about Jedi, who became Sith being more powerful, Jedi, who became Sith knew how the Jedi order operated, and so they would be a useful tool for the Sith order. The problem with Darth Plagues and his way of thinking is that he only knew one time story, he didn’t know the Jedi. Also according to what you said in another video about him, he seemed to be quite arrogant about his view on the Force, which may have been a factor to the force retaliating against him.

Plagueis is wrong when it comes to some sith in the orders history, but he is right on the money when it applies to Kylo Ren. Generally however, I think that Sith Lords like Vader and Malak were good counters to his statements.

@grahamturner2640

4 ай бұрын

Vader turned to the light towards the end of his life.

If plageious was bred from 2 sith where did all those sith from the breeding program go? Why wouldn’t more than one be bred also when they were at it? I feel like there’s a lot of plot holes in there were a bunch of sith but there were only 2 at a time at the same time

@OmiWatanube

10 ай бұрын

That program stems from the Bith, who used it to propagate their species. Darth Tenebrous, Plageuis' master, was a Bith and he essentially made his own version that would produce a powerful Force user for a future apprentice

how does king shadow have 3 comments in 1 minute 🤣

@YTHandlesSuck

Жыл бұрын

It’s super easy, barely an inconvenience

Wasn't Dooku his insurance plan if Sidious didn't work out? And at times he had wishes he'd made that change? Or is it a matter of "I don't like Jedi becoming Sith... well, unless they happen to be the best of their time."

@CTP909

Жыл бұрын

No I think it was him just feeling a certain way but acknowledged the reality of his situation

Plagueis’s statement saying Jedi who turned to the dark side are only using their backstory or emotions as an excuse, actually in my opinion would further me to be more pro light side. In the sense of: don’t let my past turn me to something lesser of myself, my trauma doesn’t dictate my destiny, it is only an event I should learn from to then dictate my destiny. The the choice is mine. But by then, why use it as an excuse to bring evil into the galaxy? Weird how his statement can be seen from both sides…

Thinking about that it makes sense Jedi would be more powerful as Sith cause it’s a new power they’ve never used before and they are letting loose all the ties that held em back

Plagueous himself contradicts this by considering Dukoo strong enough to be a threat to Sidious, but potentially Sidious' replacement if something were to happen to him. Of course, people of such arrogance have the tendency to prove themselves wrong while never acknowledging the contradiction.

I think Plagueis' take makes PERFECT sense when you allow for more Grey. When you bring Context and ASSUME that there's LAYERS to what he is saying. I think Plagueis is talking more about the Jedi who tap into the Dark Force and make excuses, that they're somehow ABOVE the Dark Side, yet were MORE than willing to use it, when it served them most. I would also say he's talking MOSTLY about those Dark Side Users who would be better described as Antagonists, rather than full blown Villains. Think Poison Ivy instead of Joker for instance. Penguin, rather than Bane. Someone more Dark than Jedi, but Less Dark than Sith. Hell just look at what happens with Anakin Skywalker, where that Tiny Spark of Light is what defeats the Sith in Empire Strikes Back!

confusing feelings or hard emotions equating to tapping into the darkside is as bad as a cop telling you hes mirandizing you for "disordley conduct"

He's yet to be proven wrong, there are quite a few Jedi turned Sith who turned back.

Well, Plagueis's presumption was right. As a Jedi who "falles" in to dark side you'll always take burdens of your Jedi training and mindset and usually also a good reason for becoming Sith. All this makes you less racional, more reckless, more violent. But, does any of it makes you a worse Sith? No, absolutly not. Because Sith are irracional and violent that's what makes them stronger. In conclution this opinion shows Plagueis more as a cold headed scientist then a true master of the dark side.

i agree that a true sith is one that made no excuses, they do not rationalize their fall or creation, they accept what they do knowing that the decisions they made are theirs, not the force. The best siths are the ones that knew what they were, they embrace it and accept it

Wouldn’t fallen Jedi be a little more powerful than Sith cause you served on the light before?

love the animations

Would love to see Darth Plageuis lecturing a young Sidious in a Star Wars film 1 day! 😁 That would be sweet, a direct prequel to The Phantom Menace! Though who would play them as actors? 🤔

@deemen7132

Жыл бұрын

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@joenaomeke2700

Жыл бұрын

My friend Jake 🔥🔥🔥🔥

Interesting vid, SW.👍

Know your enemy , thus know yourself that much better . To understand you must embrace , and continue to one path or a other .

I always imagined if Palatine somehow made it into the order. Lol just waiting for one bad day, stubs pinky toe twice in same morning!!! Dun dun dun. 🤣

Can you do a video about Plagueis personality? He strikes me as a quite gentle sith

a darkside obiwan would be utterly UNSTOPPABLE!.. Just look at the few times that obiwan let his emotions fuel his combat (specifically in ep 6 of the series, and his naboo duel with maul, in a lesser aspect even his dual with anakin has more emotion behind it).. when obiwan channels his emotions into his combat, he is a guy that cuts sith lords if half!, he a guy that leaves THE CHOSEN ONE wheezing, helpless and at his mercy TWICE!!. even at his most composed he is the dude that KILLS maul before the fight even begins!! I hate how under rated obiwan is because as far as canon characters go, he is the most clutches, accomplished, and best dualist of his generation AT MINIMUM,perhaps top 5 of ALL TIME!... alot of star wars fans wanna put obiwan in list lists towards the bottom filled with non canon characters that shouldn't even be considered until they're made canon...sure if it's a list of any character ever created then obiwan may not crack the top ten, but as far as I'm concerned most of those characters who would outrank obiwan DO NOT technically even exist! obiwan is a character that holds himself back! so we can never know what he was truly capable of if he were to be "unleashed" sp to speak.

Who cares the guy is dead couldn't even see the betrayal of his apprentice and that his apprentice was also the person responsible for the end of the Sith religion

What is the music used throughout the video?

Do a video of what if dooku went to Mandalore during the clone wars to fight maul and savage

My own interpretation of his words is that he doesn’t look down on Jedi that become Sith, but specifically those Jedi that did not choose the pursuit of power deliberately. Listen carefully to his words. He talks about making excuses and about being upfront one’s desires. It’s about how serious someone is about being a Sith. A jedi who says they fell to the dark side is saying it is not their fault, and they are refusing responsibility. And because they are lying to themselves, they won’t fully give themselves over to the dark side. However, a Jedi who craves power, and is honest with themselves about it, will actually choose to pursue power. There is less hesitation because they are doing what they really want. That’s why it makes sense for him to accept Count Dooku, and why I think he would not like Darth Vader.

The true path to the force is balance between light and dark neither one is evil and both can be used for good

So what was his opinion on anakin if palpatine didn't kill him?

FAlse, agaist MAul he drew on his bound with his master, the connection. This is what it was as proven by Luke that connections are not a draw to the dark side but a draw to a greater connection to the force to protect the ones you care for.

My view is being a Jedi first might be useful because you know how to use the Force for both sides, but the other Side will always beckon you back and keep you from completing further study in the Force. Useful with Both, Master of None....

Darth Plaugueis is sure an interesting character

I love the lore in these videos but the script/writing is like me trying to meet a word count writing an essay for school

@mowvu5380

Жыл бұрын

yeh it's like he's catering to 9 years olds. or americans haha

Before i give up this dominion of being, the matrix, the force. I will let him, explain me, and then you know who to seek, after this for more clarity and your talents, will be... Use the force, Luc

6:04 that’s why Plagueis’s name was Hego Damask

I believe he was right. More time focused on your goal from the start, and less chance of waffling.

Seems to me you'd appreciate a former Jedi. One, they know much of the force and two, they are fairly decent with the light saber. That's better than someone with no training.

its ideal version of evil verse the corrupted good. the corrupted good is redeemable but the absolute evil is absolute. something like that.

Both theories have valid points to it. Though there is evidence of powerful sith lords that were once jedi. If we look to Malgus's understanding of the dark side and what it requires. I can see what plagueis is referring to, and I'm a strong believer in that theory :) lol.... I love these videos

Anyone know the music that plays through out the video?

Really wishing this character and others from Legends were able to have been fully explored . Just going off the novel it would seem that in his mindset he was talking about the Jedi of his lifetime. It would not be so much of a stretch of the imagination where the holonews had the rare case of when a former Jedi went amok and was brought to justice.

@harleyalderson3533

Жыл бұрын

I think the acolyte will dive into that

@katerbiller04

Жыл бұрын

@@harleyalderson3533 Probably not as Disney Lucasfilm for the most part decided to scrap everything that was produced in the Lucas era as " Legend ". The shows done by Favreau and Filoni imo are keeping with the spirit of the decades of what worked for Star Wars.

@harleyalderson3533

Жыл бұрын

@@katerbiller04darth plaguies is still canon though as is tenebrous and this shows taking place at least 100 years before phantom menace so its highly possible for them to appear plus the fact in a recent book released last year darth plaguies is very much mentioned

Plagueis is like Faust or Faustus. The names even rhyme.

Since the Force hates Plagueis, what about the flip side: does is love anyone? Is there one?

@harleyalderson3533

Жыл бұрын

Grogu lol

What I want to know what Darth Plagueis would think of Siths turning to light side, for example Starkiller who becomes a Jedi at the end.

I think it's more perspective than anything. If you look at old republic sith they went to a academy. While fallen, sith was treated to sith lore and power. Even being sent to the sith seat of power to learn on a few occasions. And even seeking out old ruins to gain power. There was an explanation for who they now were they weren't treated like new age sith treated "dark jedi." Even allowing "dark jedi" to exist was a bad move. There was only sith and jedi. And once you turned, you had to time to mourn or think on it. He thinks lesser of them because he never really turned any of them. He kept them as "dark jedi." And treated them like that, allowing them time to regret or even like doku hang on to his jedi ways such as kindness to other jedi.

Darth Plagueis: Sith who start as Jedi are inferior. Also Darth Plagueis: Mentions one such Sith (Exar Kun) with reverence. Well, which is it?

@HandMeDeals

Ай бұрын

An anomaly

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You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it

I agree in some way with Plaguies. He talks about jedi giving into the dark side rather than embracing the dark side from the very beginning. Jedi who then fall victim to the dark side rather than a born Sith who welcomes the dark side. Embracing it. Look at these Jedi's who turned to the dark side. Dark Vader was faced with inner turmoil and eventually turned back to the light. Kylo, from the recent sarga who flip flopped back to the light. A weakness. A conflict that isn't seen in a true sith lord.

The pure irony of Plagueis' opinion of Jedi becoming Sith is that the order itself was started by Jedi.

@joelkurtz1836

Жыл бұрын

True, but it was the pure Sith later on who improved on the Sith rules by establishing the rule of 2.

@DLR1997

Жыл бұрын

@@joelkurtz1836 it was Dark Revan and Malic who started The Rule of Two and by then the sith species were a dying breed

I heard jedi who turned to the dark side are more powerful then the ones who were already in the dark side (sith)

King plagues made rule of 3 king master apprentice

I think he is wrong in the sense that it would be possible for someone who was jedi to decide to become a sith because they truly liked and embraced it, not because they have some sob story. However, I think he is right that, if you think you FELL to the dark side, then you are not really IN the dark side. As long as you view it as a FALL, then that means that you will always be partly convinced that it is “wrong” and thus you will always be partly a Jedi. Only when you embrace the dark side out of true devotion and belief will you be truly sith. Vader always viewed his embrace of the dark side as a way to save the ones he loved and then just because he thought he was too bad to turn back “it is too late for me, son” so he never really wanted to be a sith he just wanted the power to save the ones he loved from dying. So Vader kind of proves that if you’re heart isn’t in it, it don’t matter how dark you get, in your heart you’re not a sith. This is why Luke knew he was still good. The grand inquisitor is actually a better example of a Jedi that truly BECAME a sith because he embraced it.

One of the very few sith that could change his face

I am freewill. I will not be challenged, by anything in creation. I hold the peace. I will burn down everything that disturbs my balance. Jedi, sith, god, none it matters to my program. I am What I am

I feel like Plagueis was onto something, but not the way he thought. The Sith Purebloods seem to be the only real Sith, but the Dark Jedi took that from them

I really don’t understand Darth plague us is reasoning, is some of the greatest dark Lord of the Sith, such as Frida nod Darth, Revan, and Darth, Vadar, and Exar Kun Count Dooku were some of the greatest ancient Sith, Lords, and they held quite a bit of power within the Darkside

@YTHandlesSuck

Жыл бұрын

Except Revan and Vader were both redeemed because they felt guilty about their actions. A real Sith, like Palpatine, has no such weaknesses, no such regrets

@YTHandlesSuck

Жыл бұрын

Also Dooku was nothing but a pawn, not all that great

@alsimmonshellspawn6021

Жыл бұрын

@@YTHandlesSuck exar kun was a true dark lord of the sith

@YTHandlesSuck

Жыл бұрын

@@alsimmonshellspawn6021 i never said anything about him but ok lmao

@DeathScepter

Жыл бұрын

@@YTHandlesSuck Palpatine is darker than the rest of the sith, he lack even what sith consider to be morals or loyality. He lacks a heart but has a true void where true dark lay.

ok but dose or dose not plaguis have a nose I have seen both versions nosed and nose less but I have no idea which is accurate

Jedi Gone sith had more well round understanding of the force and the Galaxy

I like Plagueis’s mindset

I agree.

Heck Yeah!

Hello there

King plagues is still alive he behind everything not palpatine by cloneing himself over over

Plagueis hates Jedi Turning to the Dark Side Jedi that turned to the Dark Side some of the Strongest Dark Sides in all of Star wars ( Exa Kun , The first who fell ,Darth Traya and more )

Th3y never make dark plagius how he suppose to look.

I think Plageius was taking a dig against Anakin.

@harleyalderson3533

Жыл бұрын

No he didn't even know about anakin at that point. He didn't know about him until the day he died pretty much and he feared the shit out of him when he seen his future

I perform my function, for those, that listen. I am, almost, as subtle as the voice of G_D, and that is the only way to respect me. So, before you can know me, you must know how to ask. To ask. I must deem you worthy. I destroy whatever abuses me and i sense every change

How many other Sith Lord's were only a Sith aside from Plaguels? Palpatine I'm guessing but who else?

Let me elaborate on Plagueis' opinion: Most Jedi are, due to their indoctrination, extremely childish and naive. Many of those who fall are essentially having an uncontrollable temper tantrum after a lifetime of suppressing their emotions, thus meaning they're mentally and emotionally unstable. Just look at Dark Jedi and Sith like Exar Kun, Freedon Nadd, Ulic-Qel Droma, Asajj Ventress, Dooku's Dark Acolytes, Anakin Skywalker or even the non-existant Kylo Ren and Disney-Inquisitors. These Fallen Jedi aren't embracing the Dark Side out of ambitious vision or moral/ideological disgust for the galaxy like Xandor, Ajunta Pall, Revan, Kreia, Dooku or even Skere Kaan. They're lashing out against the Jedi Order that ruined their lives and sanity, effectively going on a bender while having a psychological breakdown. They're not Empire-builders, they're the Jedi equivalent of rampaging school-shooters (similar to characters like, for instance, Tomura Shigaraki from MHA or the Brotherhood of Mutants in X-Men Evolution). -Exar Kun wasn't exactly a model Jedi even beforehand, and his head-dive into the Dark Side was more out of petty ambition than anything that a true Sith might call genuine motivation (i.e. agreeing with Xandor and Ajunta Pall's protests against the Jedi Order, or hating them for the Sith Holocaust). His sole lasting accomplishment was officializing the Sith as an ideological opposition to the Jedi Order rather than a single faction or race. -Ulic's fall to the Dark Side was basically a mix of getting poison-drunk and horny for Aleema Keto, on top of all the PTSD from the Onderon wars against the Naddists and Krath. -Even someone like Skere Kaan felt the need to make the Sith into Diet Dark Jedi, rather than allow proper Sith mentality to flourish. The Jedi thrive on dogmatic emotional and mental manipulation, and Kaan couldn't let that go. -While some of Dooku's Dark Acolytes likely agreed on some level with him on the Jedi and Republic's corruption, most frankly are basically Dark Side-drunk bloodthirsty madmen like Asajj Ventress and Sora Bulq. -Anakin was essentially made into an uber-hatchet man by Sidious. Even Stupendous Wave outright confirms that Anakin never cared about becoming Sith for anything other than saving Padmé and ending the Clone Wars. He lashed out against the Jedi that fucked his life up, had his fun killing the evil Separatist Council after all the horrible things they did, then came down from the high was crying for all he did, and made a lot of rationalizations to disassociate his Jedi self (Anakin) from his Sith self (Darth Vader), only to later realize it was all him after killing Padmé and ruining what was left of his life before giving up on everything save for being Palpatine's bloodhound. -The less said about Discanon Inquisitors and Not-Darth Caedus' entire existence, the better. Seriously these guys were the absolute bottom of the Jedi Order's barrel. Plagueis outright says that only one in hundreds of Jedi make a proper Sith Lord. That statistic clearly includes former Jedi like Ajunta's Exiles, Revan, Kreia and Dooku. They are the visionaries, proper would-be rulers with ambition, cunning and/or wisdom. Fallen Jedi like Ventress, the Dark Acolytes and Ulic were all well and useful to the old Sith Empires to toss into the meat grinder and butcher Jedi, but they aren't Sith Emperor material. Think on how Bane mentored Zannah into being his Sith Apprentice; lots of lessons on not just embracing petty murderous and passionate whims just because, but thinking coldly on their next step.

Plaguesis was more correct then wrong still. Sidious, Vitiate, and Plagueis himself are examples of Sith who did not start out Jedi. Jedi who became Sith also oftentimes turned back to the light to some extent such as Ulic Qel-Droma, Revan, Tomcat, and of course Vader and later Kylo Ren. Plagueis was ny far more correct then wrong.

I think Plagueis was correct about the Jedi who turned except for Revan, and Malik

Plagueis isn't wrong, many jedi tap into the darkside by accident in moments of emotion but aren't completely corrupted (despite SW canon, especially with what the jedi's believe, saying any type of exposure to the darkside leads to corruption), and doing this doesn't make them Sith since it wasn't a premeditated action on the Jedi's part nor do they stay on that path of clouded emotion... But I also feel like most of that can be debatable depending on who you ask 😆 I don't think all jedi's would completely turn to the dark side if they are in battle unintentionally acting on a sudden flood of emotion, its more about the actions they take after and how they use the force from that point on... It's kind of an Obi-Wan vs Anakin comparison, one stayed on the light side and the other fell... But of course we all know how powerful Darth Vader ended up being...

The vary meaning of the sith is freedom from jedi So a jedi wants to be free from his jedi is confusing

Plagueis was definitely drinking his own kool-aid, then again it's not hard to see why he would think this when his sole purpose was being bred to be the ultimate sith. Also would like to note I and many others would love a part 3 to what if Anakin was trained by Qui-Gon instead of the original time line. Would love to see that completed if you can find the time to go back to it!

Hey Plagueis, why the long face?

So now we gatekeeping the darkside now lol 🤣

I think Jedi who become Sith have the potential to be far more powerful than Sith who were born Evil from the start because of the fact that Jedi started off good. They started off good with hope and love and all the good stuff... But when their emotions take over... Anakin for example when he experienced great loss and had fear for having that loss.... It drew him to the darkside. No longer can any good emotions or traits save him again because he was already good, and he chose or fell to darkness. Whereas compared to a Sith who had been evil from the very beginning, they have not yet tasted or had any good or sweetness, kindness, love, compassion... All that in their lives yet. And because of this, Sith who have always been sith have the potential to become good and become Jedis. So Darth Plaegus was just being egotistical again if you asked me. Those who knew good and all that followed, and lived in it, and left that to join darkness... To me, they are worse than those who never even knew what love is, or what kindness is.. or any of the good stuff.

*I AM A SITH SUPREMACIIIIIIST!!!* -Alex Jones, Dark Lord of the conspiracy

Take the hoover dam for instance , its going to collapse ,

Okay his got a point . But his wrong. While he has point to some degree. what about Sith lords like Darth Revan , Exar kun, Ajunta Pall and Sorzus Sin along with the 10 other Sith Lord that started the Sith order?.They studied the dark side even before founding the Sith order on Korriban and before becoming Sith lords. Especially Sorzus Sin who was a pioneer in the dark side and sith dark arts.thats thing about the Sith order of the Banenites . Apart from Darth Bane, Darth Zannah apprentice and Sidious who respected their ancient ancestors. They were disrespectful . If The modern Sith faced ancient Sith like Revan,Malak or Exar kun they'd be destroyed.

Star Wars needs the mcu treatment let’s build up a thanos level threat in after credit scenes for Luke to fight or ya know just make kotor 1 and 2 into trilogy movies then do a 3 movie true sith emergence as the big bad we built up to

Count Dooku

I mean, that mentality is not new to the sith. it's been spoken before. But it does strike me as odd that there called sith after a species that is hardly ever in their own ranks. In fact, the most powerful sith lords have mostly been human. Darth Vader, Palpatine, Lord Reven, the list goes on.

The Jedi were little baby infants who had absolutely no idea what the force was or the nuances of it so him saying that they weren't true because they didn't choose it first is silly

Plagueis was definitely more of a traditionalist.

I believe that Sith Lords who were once Jedi are indeed more powerful and knowledgeable. Darth Plaguies theory is based on nothing more than an overinflated ego, his very existence was influenced by Darth Tenebrus and as an experiment no less. Furthermore, when Plaguies took Palpatine as his apprentice Palpatine was already extremely talented and partially self trained in the Dark Side and knew nothing about the prospect of taking a former Jedi as an apprentice.