For anyone wondering if Damascus is better than normal steel or if it's just a myth: it is not, however it used to be. The ability to make the mix of carbon and iron in steel homogenous has not always been a given. That means that steel from hundreds of years ago was significantly worse than steel today. Damascus was the best way at the time to make the steel more homogenous thus making it superior to other steel of the same time period. Nowadays due to modern machinery steel is much more homogenous eliminating the need for the folding the steel to make damascus

@Atreuzs

Жыл бұрын

" Damascus was the best way at the time to make the steel more homogenous thus making it superior to other steel of the same time period." You mean in japan was the steel absolute bullshit and they have to do the damascus way. In euope there was a way better steel.

@naruomi9477

Жыл бұрын

Agreed

@sentient_slab

Жыл бұрын

Would you say they both have the same "strength"/durability

@nonono2557

Жыл бұрын

​@dogs oath perfectly made Damascus would probably still end up technically being weaker just my virtue of how great metallurgy has become, regardless we aren't reaching that limit while doing anything these utensils can handle, even in a larger format its pretty rare man out strengths steel before fittings start to go

@mchajen511

Жыл бұрын

@@sentient_slab rather that it being Damascus has no effect either way. What affects is the steel, heat treatment, and how it is sharpened

UK population drooling over this 🌚

@InstructorRandy

Жыл бұрын

Me with 37 knives and 4 guns on my person. 1776 yeeee yeeee

@erg7051

Жыл бұрын

Why? Do they like knives?

@elytr0nn

Жыл бұрын

yoo 😂😂

@jonopearson83

Жыл бұрын

​@@erg7051only if they in a gang the rest of us use them to keep our forks company

@joaoalbertodosanjosgomes1536

Жыл бұрын

@@erg7051 The 🌎 ❤ knives. The 🌎 needs knives. Good or not so good.

As a hobbyist blacksmith I know just how difficult it is and the amount of strength that goes into making a perfect Damascus knife. For me, it takes days. But I did make one that is used in our kitchen. One of my children is an apprentice blacksmith, and she is miles better than me. However, only highly skilled craftsmen - nowadays not many - will make a fine Damascus knife, and their prices reflect their art and they well deserve the money they receive.

@TheIRSneedsme

Жыл бұрын

Liar

@oxanakovalenko9968

Жыл бұрын

F

@joaoalbertodosanjosgomes1536

Жыл бұрын

Amen.

@joaoalbertodosanjosgomes1536

Жыл бұрын

Fake news.

@joaoalbertodosanjosgomes1536

Жыл бұрын

@@TheIRSneedsme Liar.

There is a lot of misinformation in this video unfortunately... For one, damascus/pattern welded steel is no "sharper" "stronger" or "better" than any other monosteel. Zach is likely using 1084 and 15n20 for the damascus produced here. After forge welding these alloys together, the carbon content within the steel as a whole will homogenize during forging and your end steel will perform near identically to 1080 (if anything slightly worse as extended periods of forging can actually cause negative effects in the steel). It will NOT perform any better in ANY metric than any other knife made purely from 1080. 1080 is also considered a relatively low performance steel in the world of knifemaking. That's not to say that it is bad, but there are plenty of other alloys that can perform much better in a kitchen setting (CPM M4, CPM Magnacut, Zmax, CPM S90V, etc). These tool and stainless steels do not forge well due to carbide volume and so are exceedingly difficult to turn into damascus. Most damascus on the market will be some combination of low alloy tool steels or plain carbon steels with one being nickel rich and the other nickel deficient. To reiterate, these low alloy steels are not particularly tough, hard, etc. and perform accordingly. Not to hate on Zach here as he does make some nice looking knives and has obviously earned his title as a master smith, but many of the things he says metallurgy-wise just aren't true. At around 5:40 he says that he is looking at scale that has flaked off after heat treatment because "the steel has contracted after it hardened, so I know it is hard". Steel goes through a volumetric INCREASE during hardening and actually expands slightly, doesn't contract. And this isn't what causes scale to flake off either, it's the force of the vapor jacket during quench combined with the rapid decrease in temperature (which does involve a shrinking of the steel) that does that. To any smith's that are here learning, flaky or cracked scale after quench does NOT equal a hard blade. He's also using sharpness as a metric for performance which says very little about the actual quality of his steel and ht. Given the low alloy steels he is using and the HT he is doing using his forge rather than a temperature controlled kiln, his blades likely fall far below the performance of the theoretical best-of-the-best on the market. Again, not to say that they perform badly, but to claim that your knife is the sharpest, strongest, etc around is pretty ridiculous. Also to everyone in the comments saying that true damascus/wootz steel is a lost art, it's not, we've recreated it exactly. The recipe is not lost we know exactly how it was made and what is in it down to the .000001 atomic %. We've also tested its mechanical properties and it falls far short of any modern monosteel that is produced today. Anyway, I'll end my rant there, again no disrespect to Zach, he makes beautiful knives, it's just the misinformation and lack of background research by the people who produced this video that bothers me. Source: I am a professional bladesmith, have made tons of damascus myself, and have a bachelor's and a master's in metallurgical engineering.

@spryte4371

10 ай бұрын

sheesh u kinda went off there. thanks for the information!

@grantsaxman7170

10 ай бұрын

@spryte4371 Yeah maybe I went a bit overboard haha 😅 just felt the need to clear up some stuff that I thought could be confusing for people trying to learn more about smithing, so I hope it helped!

@spryte4371

10 ай бұрын

@@grantsaxman7170 nahh that helped me w a lot of informative knowledge

@latetodagame1892

9 ай бұрын

On what topic did you do your master's? And where did you get your master's?

@grantsaxman7170

9 ай бұрын

@latetodagame1892 Material Science Engineering with a focus in metallurgy from University of Michigan. The metallurgy involved in bladesmithing is incredibly complex and interesting which is what drew me to the field in the first place :)

People are missing the point (pun intended). These aren't made to be just to be practical, this are made to be pretty while maintaining the practicality You aren't really paying for the product itself, you're paying for the effort to get that cosmetic pattern and the skill of the blacksmith Yeah there's perfectly good knives well below Damascus's price, but they aren't as pretty as this one You aren't just buying a product, you're supporting the people behind it too

@elysium76

Жыл бұрын

I wouldn’t mind buying one if the cutting edge holds up

@AKHILANNN

Жыл бұрын

Yes we can say that some people have more appreciation towards how a thing looks. and how much effort it takes to make. After all that is gold too how good it looks and rare.

@livelyosprey

Жыл бұрын

@@elysium76 You don't need to spend $5k to have a solid knife that holds an edge. Also Damascus knives vs modern steel wont make any practical difference

@bruh-ib5hz

Жыл бұрын

@@elysium76 most of the time it does hold up very well. I mean no more than a $200 Japanese knife but if you think of it as a functional piece of art it's really not that bad. It's no different than a pretty car

@notabrit3025

Жыл бұрын

youre also paying for the workshor, and active expenses like propane and materials wich is not cheap.

Mad respect to the folks who are keeping the art of bladesmithing alive and well to this day.

Ever since I watched “Forged in Fire” I’ve greatly appreciated the art of knife making. The precision needed to accomplish this is incredible

@yeckperez4430

Жыл бұрын

Same with me...The only reality show that is real..

@pissandballs123

Жыл бұрын

@@yeckperez4430yup, you can’t fake talent.

@NoxCaelis

Жыл бұрын

The remaining question is... will it keel?

@gamechip06

11 ай бұрын

Goated show

@studiosraufncingr6965

11 ай бұрын

one of the best shows out there. I love watching it

I agree with everything Diego said plus I would add it's highly addictive! I remember after buying my first Damascus knife, I was looking for anything to slice. The crazy sharpness made slicing so effortless and fun.

@Entrejai

Жыл бұрын

Don't go too far🤨

@hemlatanewar2117

Жыл бұрын

How about some necks

@joaoalbertodosanjosgomes1536

Жыл бұрын

@@hemlatanewar2117 Your neck. At first.

@ziyangwu2578

Жыл бұрын

Any knife can be sharp. As long as you sharpen it. Sharpness is irrelevant when determining the quality of knives

@UmbraWeiss

Жыл бұрын

@@ziyangwu2578 A good quality knife can be as good or better than these knifes, the worth in these are more about how they are custom-made, not because they are better in any way than modern knifes... in fact a good quality knife made today is probably as strong or stronger than these, the rest can be done with good sharpening, that you can do at home with some practice.

The craftsmanship and design of the knife are just as important as its functionality. You are paying for the intricate details of the handle, the precision of the blade, and the overall aesthetic appeal of the knife. While it is true that any knife can perform the task of cutting, the experience of using a well-crafted knife is unparalleled.

@GreatSageSunWukong

Жыл бұрын

I don't know about that but cost certainly plays a part in how you treat an object, if anyone thinks these patterned knives are better then none patterned its a placebo effect and they probably look after them way better.

@ViburaBlanca

Жыл бұрын

$17k to cut a tomato is not “unparalleled”

@chupchupman5859

Жыл бұрын

It's a nice knife. I'll give you that But the engravings give you no tactical advantage

@emikomina

Жыл бұрын

Damascus knives are way overrated

@zulhilmi5787

Жыл бұрын

Yes if it's for sentimental value. But generic purpose you can just buy a cheaper knife that will give the same experience as this one. Just cheaper.

I'm from Damascus the old city and I'm very impressed by this industry , I wished if someone talk about the history of the Damaskus steel

@ecoideazventures6417

Жыл бұрын

Isnt it sad that Damascus today has nothing to do with this wonderful masterpiece? Dont you wish that these knives could have been made in Syria?

@Dolbic.

Жыл бұрын

@@ecoideazventures6417 who said it isnt? the name of this steel forge is the same of the city still.

@JohnHausser

Жыл бұрын

Is it ok out there dude ? Cheers from San Diego California

@aakashnair5170

Жыл бұрын

Their origin isn't from Damascus haha like a lot of things the west name things after the closest region from which they've obtained them but that nt necessarily where theyre originally from. Its called wootz too and the origin of that word doesn't lie in Damascus.

@ShayanGivehchian

Жыл бұрын

​@Ecoideaz Ventures this style of damascus steel has nothing to do with Damascus. The original damascus steel is what we call Wootz steel today. This is just pattern welded steel that resembles the eastern made wootz steel that was mostly traded in the city of damascus in the old days. Most of those steel were made in old persia and India and not Syria.

this video is really well done. You avoided a lot of the errors I see these types of videos make about our trade. Great work!

Finally a solution to my problem that I can never get my tomato slices thin enough.

It's cool how he has no burns on his arms. Shows how skilled he is.

@wmcknives

Жыл бұрын

You don't need to be skilled to not burn yourself, you need to be too clumsy to burn yourself

@Errhhk

Жыл бұрын

would be a lot more skilled if he didnt. the truest master would never let that happen

@doak_

Жыл бұрын

@@Errhhk you read the comment correctly? OP said he has no burns not that he has burns lol

@Fifa20340

Жыл бұрын

​@@doak_ I think OP had a stroke.

@monolithknives931

Жыл бұрын

@@Errhhk such a bunch of horseshit

As other mentioned, these damascus steels are "pattern welded steel" that are simply being called damascus. I suppose it stuck since saying pattern welded steel all the time is tiresome and calling it damascus has better marketing appeal. You can have "damascus" made of bad steels or good steels. It's just a mixture of two different alloys that corrode differently. Nowadays its only real purpose is aesthetic.

@ae3qe27u3

Жыл бұрын

Actual Damascus steel was made through a special forging process. Pattern welded steel keeps the lines of the steel grains continuous. Damascus steel breaks up those lines on the molecular level. It's pretty neat.

@BillyWitchDoctorDotCom

Жыл бұрын

@@ae3qe27u3 Correct me if I'm wrong, but when you heat treat the blade you bring the steel up above the lower transformation temperature and reform the grain structure..??

@Masterfighterx

Жыл бұрын

@@ae3qe27u3 ​ Special and special, it's iron ore smelted and then put into a crucible and slowly cooled. The pattern in real Damascus comes from Alloys in the steel, creating alloy banding, which has gained huge popularity in getting out of modern knives, you see it a lot on Japanese Honyaki and even some solid VG-10 knives, can also be seen in the iron cladding on some knives.

@hobbyman47

Жыл бұрын

@@Masterfighterx if my memory is correct the ancient Damascus or crucible steel have their pattern for un- even heating reaching the melting point at the same time also the un-equal carbon and other alloying elements. like vanadium. that's the reason why they have pattern and also much superior. than the other steels back in the ancient days. a bit of manganese, vanadium in the steel and much uniform carbon distribution and finer grain. even the does pattern are visible in the refined bloomery steel but the crucible steel is much more superior. most modern steel are Vacuum Induction Melting, to increase it's purity and alloy distribution they also Vacuum Arc Remelting to the steel. the most high end of steels are Powder Metallurgy. if I my memory is correct VG10 is an ingot steel that is also Vacuum Arc Remelted. while ZDP-189 is PM steel that have been re-melted and re-spray into an powder like the other high end steel like CPM-S110V and CPM-REX-121. there grain structure and carbide distribution are so small you need an electron microscope. also insane carbide count.

@ryanj610

Жыл бұрын

Wootz steel is another term for it. Only recently recreated by metal working scholar/scientists. Pattern welded is an art, and the similarities in blade appearance is what has led to the misnomer.

It's incredible the appreciation you'll have for something with a little investigating. Thank you.

Thank you to business insider for putting an old traditional Indian sword making method, in India it is also called Wootz steel and originated in Southern part of India

this is one of the best channel on youtube, real information i love it

Absolutely beautiful pieces of art! I would cherish owning a blade of his, but sadly…not an option right now. I hope some day. They are truly works of art! Thank you for sharing this with us!❤

@joaoalbertodosanjosgomes1536

Жыл бұрын

❤

As a materials engineer, this was a great watch. I love working with alloys👌 Aluminum lithiums are awesome

@franko8572

11 ай бұрын

What is a materials engineer?

@savageone8931

10 ай бұрын

@@franko8572 it’s someone who other works researching new methods of combining metals or other component to create new materials, or in my case I work in a lab testing the mech properties of products we manufacture to make sure they are within specs- testing the tensile, compressive, shear and torsional force of alloy plates, checking the failure impact force, make sure our process produces the correct molecular structure. Etc

@franko8572

10 ай бұрын

@@savageone8931 Oh daaang! Nice. So you’re basically a metals chemist? 🤔

@savageone8931

8 ай бұрын

@@franko8572 I’m a chem engineer but I’ve worked a variety of STEM related positions.

I had no idea that the process of making a Damascus knife was so intricate and time-consuming, involving multiple layers of folded steel and intense heat treatment. It's amazing to see the level of craftsmanship and attention to detail that goes into creating each knife, and it's clear why they are so highly valued by chefs and collectors

@ytuser13082011

Жыл бұрын

waste of time these days, if you think about it. Nowadays it's all of decorative purposes, as we can get better quality steel cheaper, faster.

@BillyWitchDoctorDotCom

Жыл бұрын

@@ytuser13082011 I think blacksmiths and knifemakers mostly just think it's fun to make, plus it does look cool. I've tried making Damascus in my little hobby-forge but I haven't had much luck setting the forge-welds.

@arquloc0893

Жыл бұрын

Thousands of layers sound extreme, but it's kinda like RAM, because everytime you go up a notch, the layers/ram double, because you fold it and create twice as many layers. Weird description, i know 😅

@BillyWitchDoctorDotCom

Жыл бұрын

@@arquloc0893 It's called "exponential doubling"

@8hei

Жыл бұрын

@@ytuser13082011 right, but people care about art, effort, and craftsmanship in their strivings. the most efficient thing is not the best thing.

Ive always loved Damascus and i was so greatful i had to opportunity to get a blade myself. Its a swiss dagger made of Damascus steel and has an ebony handle. I will always treasure it, they are gorgeous blades

This is incredible. People like him are the best gifted people among us.

@lawabidingcitizen5153

22 күн бұрын

amogus

Wonderful video! The patterns on that knife are amazing! It's a work of art as much as a tool!

Really well done video. I like how you mention, how damascus knives perform similarly (in reality likely worse) to other high end knives. The myth of them being better simply isn't true. What's true about them is that they are real eye catchers and require certain skills to make. Also this craftmans damascus patterns look stunning.

@sygnusadun4832

Жыл бұрын

The magic of damascus isnt the steel, its the fact that they're almost all hand forged and are of a significantly higher quality than a factory blade.

@CRO-Palacinke-D.C

Жыл бұрын

@@sygnusadun4832 yeah, I was also talking about hand forged knives, of which there are damascus knives, 3 layered knives or monosteel knives. the latter 2 tend to be more efficient than damascus in most cases.

@zackjonas7775

Жыл бұрын

@@CRO-Palacinke-D.C Thanks for the feedback, but I must respectfully disagree. What is your basis for that claim? The only discernible difference between a hand forged damascus knife and a hand forged monosteel or san mai knife, from a metallurgical standpoint, is that the edge presents with two distinct alloys rather than one. Technically one alloy is ever so slightly softer than the other, but this is way, way below the level of human perception. And, importantly, *either* alloy is suitable for use in a monosteel or san mai blade on its own.

@normallyChallenged

Жыл бұрын

You should check out Kyle Royer on KZread. He's a master bladesmith too and makes absolutely beautiful knives and swords with Damascus steel.

@CRO-Palacinke-D.C

Жыл бұрын

@@zackjonas7775 @Zack Jonas Cool to hear from the blacksmith himself, thanks! I totally agree with the reasoning you gave. My "performing worse" comment stems from damascus knives being treated in acid and having an overall well polished surface, which creates more friction when cutting and worse food release than say a hammered finish. It's overall only a slight disadvantage I'd say. Also I don't own a damacus knife yet (except for the Kai Shun I started on years ago) therefore I can't argue from personal experience.

I learned a lot about making knives by watching "Forged in Fire". I absolutely love these types of shows that involve either cooking or building something (American Chopper, Monster Garage, etc.). Thanks for the education.

Those Damascus knives are expertly carved out to form that shape. The intricate details on there justs look absolutely stunning.

@alihassanrajpoot4625

6 ай бұрын

Are interested Damascus steel products

There really is an art to making a good Damascus knife and depending how you make it some ways easier than others old school vs new school. Just think its cool that this art has been around for so long and they used to use meteorites which become the few to the great

Amongst all the people I admire, the ones who lives their life and dedicate it to their passion are on top of the list

Great video, thanks! And that is some beautiful work Zach, thanks for sharing!!

Pretty sure it is sharp, but I just love the artistic pattern. The knives are a work of art.

Wow, he puts so much effort in his work.

@7Pulpy

Жыл бұрын

With passion!

Damascus is just cosmetic. Most knives can be sharpened and be great to use.

@actualartist3082

Жыл бұрын

the pure stupidity of that comment.. yikes

@InquisitiveBaldMan

Жыл бұрын

The real receipe for the OG legendary Damascus steel was lost in history....

@dominicwilliamson7912

Жыл бұрын

​@@InquisitiveBaldMan why any damasus knives today are just visual art peices.

@artimuos903

Жыл бұрын

​@@InquisitiveBaldMan Not lost Britain made it extinct.

@Rathbone_fan_account

Жыл бұрын

@@artimuos903 Gonna cry?

So informative!!!! Wow, such hard work goes into the knifes

FYI, damascus does not make you knives sharper, you can get a VERY hard homogeneous steel and make a sharp knife that holds edges as good as damascus. I'm a home chef and i have a few VG10 knives that can cut on touch (sharpen by myself). problem with razor sharp knives isn't with the knives themselves but the user, anything will get blunt if you abuse it, taking good care makes you knives last longer(RIP my old 10$ SUS304 that i had been using for the last decade).

just as a very important distinction, this is NOT damascus steel, this is forge-welded steel. damascus steel is a crucible steel. this is forge-welded steel that emulates the pattern of damascus steel. the type of steel is called "watered steel" that results in the pattern of different alloys/carbon concentrations. damascus is the original, and is a crucible steel. fold-forged steel is another type of watered steel, but it is NOT damascus steel.

Zach is an artist. Tremendous respect.

Its so great that he's working on that masterpiece with that weather.

You should cover about Karambits and Butterfly Knives next time 😆 includimg their floats

I thank him for using a more traditional approach to the Hada technique, in witch he actually folds the steel and doesn't cut and restack.

@pjotrasert2054

Жыл бұрын

the thing is for a low layer knife like that it is possible but when i am already days into the damascus forging i don't take any risks and i grind and stack. thats the reason that most will just grind and stack

i got a set of 6 of these beautiful blades thrown in when i purchased a belly blaster on a late night telemarketing show. believe me once you use them nothing else feels the same

paying for not just the work n the time put in to produce the outcome, but their experience n knowledge that made it possible to work the way they do to produce the outcome is the key.

I had a dream that I didn’t have a knife when I needed one. It was a very specific looking knife that I was missing. Two days later, I was gifted a Damascus knife at the beach by a friend. It was the same shape as in my dream. Before that, I already had a profound appreciation for the craftsmanship that went into Damascus blades. That was an awesome dream come true. I always wanted a Damascus knife ❤️✨

@Entrejai

Жыл бұрын

2 days? What

@RedEmeraldYoga

Жыл бұрын

@@Entrejai lol right, I have no idea how or why. I have really strange dreams 🤷‍♀

@joaoalbertodosanjosgomes1536

Жыл бұрын

Amen.

@joaoalbertodosanjosgomes1536

Жыл бұрын

❤

The most impressive thing about this dude is that he was able to become a master heat treating with a forge.

That shot of him staring into the forge with the snow in the back goes so hard 🔥🔥🔥

One day when I can afford to buy one I'll go crazy on it and I want to tip the Smith what he deserves along with his price for the products. Mad respect to all of them who keep the art going

If you're looking for sharp knifes, you're probably better off with Japanese chef's knifes. But I'll have to admit that Damascus steel knifes patterns are indeed very beautiful

@CRO-Palacinke-D.C

Жыл бұрын

japanese artisans commonly use damascus cladding with other steel cores. sharpness therefore should be identical, food release is worse though.

@sebasstein7014

Жыл бұрын

​@@CRO-Palacinke-D.C Modern steel doesn`t need to be layered. A high quality industrial steel is as good if not better than some damascus steel. Nowadays its for looking pretty but not for performance.

@thaknobodi

Жыл бұрын

@@sebasstein7014 yep. Even AEB-L and AUS-8 is good enough for monosteel

@CRO-Palacinke-D.C

Жыл бұрын

@@sebasstein7014 they don't need to, but in most cases they are layered. i'm not talking about mythological 1024 layered katanas, but the 3 layer formula. 1 core steel which has really high hardness and therefore is brittle surrounded by a softer steel to make the knife more resilient. the softer steel isn't present at the edge of the knife and therefore doesn't make the cutting any worse. using damascus or another stainless steel as cladding is almost the same, but damascus causes food to stick more than other claddings (because of the acid process and near mirror finish). there are also monosteel knives with no layers at all, but i'd say they are far less common.

@monolithknives931

Жыл бұрын

that's so insulting to read

Yea, it used to be superior back in the olden times, but in today times, a good quality regular steel knife made in a high end factory is just about perfect for any kitchen. Still tho, looks beautiful. If money was not an issue, I'd have it in my house.

oh wow. iaido is my martial art and I've been into japanese steel for that reason. I have so much respect for blacksmiths and this was an amazing video.

The craftsmanship is world class.

In modern steels, ''damascus'' is purely cosmetic. You Layered steel back in the day to remove impurities, and that was still not called damascus steel. Actual Damascus steel looks more like the knives you see (Many from Japan nowadays) with no layers but there is alloy banding on the single piece of steel, which can also occur in a 3 layered knife, which looks way cooler than pretty much any pattern welded (''damascus'') knife.

@svenjorgensenn8418

Жыл бұрын

Yeah my next knife will be Japanese, but my German and American knives are just as good imo

@joaoalbertodosanjosgomes1536

Жыл бұрын

Amen.

They're gorgeous knives but they really gassed up this whole "Damascus" thing. In reality, a well sharpened knife between 50-400 dollars will let a skilled chef cut those paper thin slices of anything. And if some idiot wants to snatch it up to open a can, or knocks it onto the floor, it won't cause the same sort of pain. Not to say you shouldn't buy a knife like if this if you really want to, they're just not the atom splitting nanotech monomolecular sci-fi blades they're made out to be.

@jimdigriz2923

Жыл бұрын

They also leave out the fact that whats called Damascus steel is made from Wootz steel or crucible steel, what they are showing in this video is a Damascus pattern made using a technique called pattern welding.

@whmudworks

Жыл бұрын

I can also cover a space on my wall just as well with crappy art as with good, or drink from a plastic cup rather than handmade ceramic. The point is beyond utility,

@notabrit3025

Жыл бұрын

@@jimdigriz2923 damascus in todays age is pattern weldes steel. Same as gay no longer meaning happy.

@rubenlopez2764

Жыл бұрын

That would be obsidian knifes.

@joaoalbertodosanjosgomes1536

Жыл бұрын

Amen.

Damascus knives and the sound of handpan. Perfection ❤

Solid information through this whole video!

y'all should do a profile on Kyle Royer if you want to see a prodigious master bladesmith at work, and I say that in no way to diminish the work of Zach Jonas. . . but Kyle's work is simply exemplary.

@heydaddy2471

Жыл бұрын

The knife from this video look ugly, his pattern knife look amateur compare to kyle

@eyespliced

Жыл бұрын

@@heydaddy2471 I mean, look. I may agree with that. . . but I'm also not really wanting to tear down smiths who are way, way, way, way better at working metal than I am. I think Zach makes pretty af and nice knifes. I think kyle is. . . .um, a lot better at it. But both are really good. Royer just takes it to another level.

At this point, this is more of a type of art then a hobby

The "Forged in Fire" show frequently has guests make damascus blades. It's cool to see it done when it's not rushed and without real time to plan.

I’d accidentally disembowel myself the first time I used it! 😧

@kittenzombie01

Жыл бұрын

🤣😂

$5,000 knife that'll be sharpened on a $10 knife stone

@d0nnerknispel64

Жыл бұрын

good Japanese wet stones are also very expensive :D

@lxhon

Жыл бұрын

To cut the worst quality tomato you could ever buy.

@naruomi9477

Жыл бұрын

@@d0nnerknispel64 yes they really are

@smolbean2263

Жыл бұрын

I don't think random people cooking at home would buy this but alright.

@naruomi9477

Жыл бұрын

@@smolbean2263 these are Damascus steel swords and if they are real then it would need a wet stone to sharpen every once in a while not all blade or swords can hold an edge forever

We are the Damascus kitchen knife factory in China. I agree with the explanation in this video. This is also the production process of our factory to produce Damascus kitchen knives.🥰🥰🥰

i envy people that can create wonders with their hands...it's really important to have a skill

modern pattern welded Damascus Steel is not the same as historic Woots (Crucible steel) Damascus. And the reality is that modern pattern welded steel is simply for decretive purposes.

Thanks to HISTORY TV18's Forged in Fire, i was able to understand every technical term used here.....

Incredible, didn't even know about these before.

Great content from insider as always ❤️

@joaoalbertodosanjosgomes1536

Жыл бұрын

❤

In short: They are both aesthetically magnificent and realisticly practical They are a pain to work with, it's like the blacksmith need to roll the dice a thousand times and they need to roll a perfect 6 every-single-time.

A master blade smith can make any high carbon steel knife razor sharp. Also there is a small disclaimer that needs to be addressed: this is not true Damascus steel. Damascus steel was made from crucible steel from the Middle East and got its name from the city of Damascus in modern day Syria. The type of steel this video is showing is actually pattern welded steel which has been around for centuries. True Damascus steel has not been successfully made for a few centuries due to the Industrial Revolution began in Europe, and its pattern was based mostly on impurities in the steel such as vanadium and through heat treating and tedious thermal cycling which was only discovered only a couple of decades ago. I personally like both of these steels especially pattern welded steel but a lot of people don’t know the difference between them and it irks me that the trade name misleads people.

@joaoalbertodosanjosgomes1536

Жыл бұрын

Amen.

@ji7cn

9 ай бұрын

India, not the Middle East

I'm Definitely gonna out those in my To Buy List!🤯💯🛠️🇺🇸

Beautiful, what a craft.

This is pattern welded not actual damascus steel. Because there is no such thing as "damascus" steel. Damascus was a hub for sword production, using sourced Wootz ingots from India. We do not know if forge welding techniques used today were the same, which created the "damacened" properties back in the day. Closest modern approximation is the katana, using tamahagane steel. Where different parts of the same ingot are combined with forge welding, layering to form the desired properties of the finished sword.

@notabrit3025

Жыл бұрын

Definitions change pal. stop holding on to definityions from over 200 years ago.

@anadventfollower1181

Жыл бұрын

​@@notabrit3025 So we should forget history and make up our own or follow misinformation. Monkey logic.

@vlkafenryka788

Жыл бұрын

do you call it velcro or do you call it hook and loop, kleenex or facial tissue , tupperware or plastic storage boxes

@joaoalbertodosanjosgomes1536

Жыл бұрын

Amen.

You can get cheap Damascus knives made in the same pattern welded and twisted sort of styles as this for as little as 20$. Damascus is not at all important to determine if a knife is good or bad quality and is purely aesthetic.

@b_bogg

Жыл бұрын

Those aren’t true Damascus blades tho

@cchavezjr7

Жыл бұрын

@@b_bogg Neither is the one featured in this video.

@monolithknives931

Жыл бұрын

apparently you know very little about what your'e talking about. Additionally a $20 knife will come from a part of the world where the quality of labor laws is nearly non existent and the raw materials are impure.

@BillyWitchDoctorDotCom

Жыл бұрын

@@monolithknives931 Man there's about 5,000 amateur knifemakers trying to get their material costs back on Etsy right now, right here in the US.

@BillyWitchDoctorDotCom

Жыл бұрын

@@b_bogg Lol Damascus isn't magic. A knife made out of CPM S110V (a modern "super-steel") isn't _that much better_ than a $40 Cisco 8" Classic

Video seems to miss an important bit of information: How frequently does it require manual sharpening?

Damascus is so beautiful on blades 😊

The history of Damascus steel is really interesting. The origins of Damascus steel goes back to South India. Making a really good quality steel which didn't rust easily and was strong enough to take the wear and tear of warfare was known to black smiths of these parts of India (even current Shri Lanka). Here steel was and is still called "Ukku". Indian Kings wanted horses for warfare and Arabians had best horses to offer. Indian Kings bought horses and sold swords in exchange. These swords ended up with Turkish Sultanates. The Ukku got distorted in to "Wootz". That's why even now Damascus steel is also called as Wootz steel. Then Crusades began. When the Christian Western powers met with Muslim Turkish armies in battlefield they were really impressed with the quality of the swords. Since they found these steels in Damascus, they just called them Damascus Steel.

@cardrift4515

Жыл бұрын

Arab derived from Sanskrit word ARAV means 🐎 horse

@Nick-zl5xf

Жыл бұрын

@@cardrift4515 What is your source for that claim? The languages come from completely different language families. “Arab” is an endonym probably originating from earlier Semitic languages.

@cardrift4515

Жыл бұрын

@@Nick-zl5xf it doesn't matter though it comes from Semitic family, almost 90% words have root in Sanskrit

@Nick-zl5xf

Жыл бұрын

@@cardrift4515 once again, what is your source. There is very little evidence to suggest direct Sanskrit influence on the Arabic language, let alone the “Arav->Arab” connection you suggest

@Splintz

Жыл бұрын

@@cardrift4515 wow I can't believe how easily you chat shit, another typical Indian haha

I work in aerospace and specifically the heat treatment department. I started in ‘06 and I’m still there today as the department lead. Granted, we work with aluminum and not steel so I’m sure there’s differences I’m not aware of. Heat treating is very specific. A certain temperature with a very tight tolerance. Obviously this guy is very skilled and I guess has developed the ability to “eye ball” his treatment process. From the way it was shown he has no temperature gauges and the knife wasn’t being evenly and precisely heated which is essential for the heat treatment of aluminum anyways. Are there many differences in the process between steel and aluminum? Obviously heat is a big difference! But the process overall how he performed it I’m just curious as to how it’s effective with the lack of precision.

@krissteel4074

Жыл бұрын

I've been making knives full time for about 6 years now, you can sort-of eyeball a simple carbon steel in the 800-850C range by colour, but you are absolutely better off using at least a thermocouple, digital thermometer and more controlled kiln to get the exact manufacturers specs and that's the same with the tempering process. When you get into high alloy tool steels and stainless, its all done in an oxygen deprived environment to avoid decarburisation of the steel's outer surface, so its typically done with a gas injection into the kiln or a stainless foil packet. That's a whole other bundle of temperatures which typically start in the 950C all the way through to 1200C depending on the alloy you're working with and they can sometimes have very high tempering ranges of sometimes 350-500C to knock the hardness down. You won't be doing it with an eyeball, the OHS side of me that used to work in engineering means I will rouse on people looking at high infrared emitters and bright light sources without eye protection :) What got missed though in this video is the blade geometry, he has some superbly dialed in kitchen knives there which are wafer thin, super sharp and even if they're a bit dull after a days work they're still going to cut very well. That said, if you're a bloke looking for a good knife, get something in a modern stainless with a lot of vanadium and chromium in it and you're probably well on the way to a knife you only have to sharpen maybe once a month of hard, every day use. But how it cuts- still all about that fine geometry of knife behind the cutting edge

@VeshAeryn

Жыл бұрын

I'm not a blacksmith, but my father and grandfather were so a little of the knowledge has found its way into my brain. With steel you can get a decent estimate on the temperature by the color of the hot steel. These blacksmiths can get away with "eyeballing" because the scale that they are working at is fairly small. As the work increases in size it gets much harder to do that and have the work survive the process. Knives, swords, and tools are at a size that doing it this way is doable, but even then it is a gamble. I think I have seen videos of some blacksmiths actually using gauges to get more accurate results. But those things are expensive and smiths don't really need that level of precision typically. They can if they want, but a lot of times the extra precision is just kind of wasted. I am fairly certain however that in an industrial setting it is much more important for accuracy to maintain a consistent product. At the end of the day the effectiveness doesn't need to be super accurate, it IS only a knife. Even with the price tag. I know nothing about how heat treating aluminum works however so can't say anything on how it compares unfortunately.

@chriscampbell3417

Жыл бұрын

@@krissteel4074 thank you for the detailed response! I know nothing about tempering of steel! We use to work with aluminum and titanium when I first started there but by ‘07-‘08 we were working exclusively with aluminum so I don’t really remember the process for titanium! I knew steel was much higher temps but that was about it! I don’t even know the alloy types for steel 🤷🏻‍♂️

@chriscampbell3417

Жыл бұрын

@@VeshAeryn I appreciate you responding! We work exclusively with aluminum so I don’t know anything when it comes to steel aside from it tempers at much higher temps than aluminum. Obviously working in aviation we have very specific requirements. Our tolerance is +\- 10 degrees on the majority of our parts. Depending on the alloy we mainly use 3 temperature sets 870F, 920F, 1000F but that’s the highest! I started in March ‘06 when I was just 18 years old! I had taken my GED test in Dec ‘05 and in Feb ‘06 I got my results and certificate! My uncle worked at this plant and said if I passed he would help me get a job there. Once I passed and filled out my application for two weeks he kept pestering HR until they finally brought me in for an interview. I had 6 different interviews! The plant manager showed me nearly every department and supervisor. After the last one I asked what was going on? He finally said “Well none of the supervisors want you just because your so young and inexperienced”. He said there’s one more department that he was overseeing because they didn’t have a supervisor, he said it’s called Heat Treat. He asked if I was interested and I was like I just want a job idc where! he showed me around and offered me the position! The first month tho I didn’t even work in heat treat, I started during a stretch where they were getting recertification and Boeing was doing an audit. They didn’t want me messing it up she they stuck me in shipping for the first month. I’ve survived 4 separate lay offs over the years! Many many supervisors and managers haha. In 2014 I accepted the lead position. In 2019 our supervisor was fired so I was hopeful I would get it! I did my interview but unfortunately they decided not to hire anyone. They had the supervisor of another department run his and my department. Since then tho I essentially I am the supervisor without the title or salary 😒. He has passed a lot of the responsibilities off too me which I think will work in my favor when the time comes to fill that role. I’ll be able to show I’ve been doing these responsibilities and am prepared. They’ve don’t these multiple times in other departments having 1 supervisor oversee multiple departments and it never lasts. It’s been 3 years and he’s really burnt out! It’s alot if work so I’m hoping buy the end of this year I’ll be able to take over the position permanently

@krissteel4074

Жыл бұрын

@@chriscampbell3417 If you want a good guide to the heat treatment of steel I'd recommend a book called Knife Engineering by Larrin Thomas. Its not too heavy in terms of science but there's enough science to get you started. He also has a website called Knifesteelnerds and a youtube channel by the same name.

Thanks for revealing his secret of making these knives now I'll make the knives myself

Where would I be able to buy the ones that failed to pass these tests?

I've always appreciated the quality of a damascus blade, but I've never cared for that pattern. If I had the money to buy one, I would have to decide if I want quality or visuals more.

@BillyWitchDoctorDotCom

Жыл бұрын

If you're buying Damascus then you're buying it for the visual, so get the one you like the look of. As a chef whos spent an embarrassing amount of money on knives, there's no reason to spend more than $100 on a knife unless it looks really cool.

Me remembering that these damascus knives aren't even made by real DAMASCUS steel.

Been seeing all these praises of Damascus steel knives. Back in the day remember warnings not to fire modern high power ammo in Damascus steel firearms. How is it we are suddenly in love with Damascus steel???

something I've learned about Damascus knives from owning one, they last forever. My mom got one in the 1960s (2,000 layers), it's lasted through 63 years of cooking.

Does the knife lose it sharpness? How long is its sharpness last considering its price?

@greginthesouth2621

Жыл бұрын

Any knife can lose it's edge. Typically knives like the one in the video have a high hardness scale, and will definitely last longer than a cheaper knife. But there are also really good knives out there that are affordable.

@Rakadis

Жыл бұрын

It will be no sharper than a normal chefs knife and it will lose its sharpness as a normal knife during use. It is the craftmanship, amount of labour and looks that make these knives expensive. It is not "magic steel".

@chiquita683

Жыл бұрын

It should never lose sharpness at this price

@CRO-Palacinke-D.C

Жыл бұрын

@@Rakadis somewhat misleading. there definitely are advantages to hand forged knives atrributed to high compression while forging while also making different grinds possible. yes, damascus isn't this mythological magic steel, but when only used for a damascus cladding with another core steel (think SG2, aogami super , etc.) it definitely has a better edge retention and better maximum sharpness than an industrial knife with a rockwell hardness of 55. still; even the best knives can dull quite fast (let's say 6 months for home cooks for it to become well noticably less sharp). that's why it's a good thing to learn to hand sharpen if you like using sharp knives.

@monolithknives931

Жыл бұрын

@@Rakadis Not entirely true.... Custom knives made of Damasteel (pattern welded steel) or monosteel (singular alloy steels) can be heat treated better than production knives, we also tend to use better steel, almost always better steel than high production knives.

"while high end mono steel knives may perform similarly".... This is the key point. Everything that follows this phrase is just about how it looks and how it's made. Very symbolic of the current hipster/artisan fad

From a Damascene guy, this is a very good video!

let me just take some confusion out of you, which i used to be confused about. a. any knife can be sharp enough to do the see through vegetable cut shots seen in this video. the difference is how long a knife can hold its sharpness. b. damascus knife making technique used to be the best way to get a mixed steel knife. now it's possible for any knife, even without the swirls. because technology. c. you can get one for the novelty of it. but a victorinox will serve you much better and is usually way cheaper. it's what professional kitchens use.

I thought the making of true damascus was lost and in truth this would just be “watered” steel

@anadventfollower1181

Жыл бұрын

There is no such thing as '"true damascus", as someone mentioned in the comment section, it was place of trade where they inherited Wooltz Steel which originated from Tamilians. There are two veils casted over to hide Tamilian history; the credit being given to Persians and dubbing it "damascus steel", while the other being stated by some informative individuals but not accurately saying it was solely from Tamilians instead of including 'India', as a whole - when India was not a country back then, and back then the large land area was called Bharatham by the Ancient Tamilians.

@ae3qe27u3

Жыл бұрын

(Copy-pasted from another comment of mine) Sooort of. First, what you see in the video is unrelated to historical Damascus steel. It just looks similar. But as for Damascus being lost... not really? Sort of. Various forgemasters and researchers have rediscovered what is almost certainly the general process, but we may not know the specific details. It's like trying to make your great-grandma's soup recipe. You can know how to make soup, you can know the main ingredients, and you can know everything she had in her kitchen, but you don't know if you're using the same spices in the same amount as your great-grandma did. Or if she wrote that she puts an egg into the broth and you put in a chicken egg, but she actually meant a duck egg because her neighbor raised ducks. We can make steel that looks and acts like historical Damascus steel through a crucible process, creating "wootz" steel or "crucible" steel. As far as we can tell, it's the same method they used... but we don't know exactly. It's a close-enough method that we rediscovered, but the details have been lost to time.

If anyone has to ask why damascus is so expensive they are brain dead. Go out and try to create a pattern like that in a block of molten steel then come back and ask again.

This man have my full respect for him❤

@joaoalbertodosanjosgomes1536

Жыл бұрын

❤

Imagine the pain when u drop this knife on the floor on its sharp end

@CRO-Palacinke-D.C

Жыл бұрын

thing about most high end knives is they tend to be really brittle. if they fall on any side chances are they just break.

But in order to be considered Damascus steel doesn’t have to be made in Damascus? 🤷🏼‍♂️ 👀

I seen many knives but this one is tottaly amazing for me.

If it cuts through a lemon or tomato , you know it's PRICELESS

This isn't really Damascus. It's called PATTERN WELDED! Damascus looks similar but it's unfair to call it actual Damascus. I'd love this channel to cover woots Damascus tho!!!!

Its actually expensive because the makers first have to unlock colors, then gold, then platinum, and find a map to take longshots before damascus becomes available.

@BillyWitchDoctorDotCom

Жыл бұрын

Metallurgy student here: can confirm 100% facts

these concepts look awesome @9:00. can you make an update, in a year or so? would like the know his progress his project

Absolutely stunning

@joaoalbertodosanjosgomes1536

Жыл бұрын

Less. Please.

First of all it's a pattern welded steel knife as we lost the means to make Damascus steel which comes from wootz iron which is was crucible iron that was found in India. Second it's expensive because a pattern welded steel is harder to make and require ample knowledge of what steels would work well together and years of practice to learn to achive the pattern achive the pattern your want consistently. Lastly pattern welded steel are both of similar quality to other steel knifes the only difference the pattern that comes from the diffrent carbon Contents from the steels used and the user of the knife. There are better quality steel outside of pattern welded for sure but the whole idea that pattern welded steel is better is a myth that was propagated by the use of actual Damascus steel blades which where again is just here say.

As a chef, I can tell you not to be "scared" because the price, once you buy one, it will last you a LITERAL life time if treated properally. Had a colleague whos knife was older then me, and I am 23.

@maxdamage8562

Жыл бұрын

I have german chef knife I inherited from my mother, and she inherited it from her mother. So yeah. slightly longer that 23 years. Needs sharpening.

@emikomina

Жыл бұрын

up to $5,000? NAH. a $200 japanese or german knife is way better value and will last just as long with proper care. damascus knives are very overrated and very overpriced.

one day I'll become a master as well and produce artistic looking blades like these

Have they truly figured out the ingredients for the ancient Damascus steel? That's great. God bless.

@mateom1813

11 ай бұрын

They haven't this is just a pattern welded "damascus" knife, the recipe and know how of ancient damascus steel was lost when the last person in the master-pupil chain died without transfering the knowledge to a succesor. The technic the person on the video is using has nothing to do with ancient damascus steel, since he's stacking different layers of metal and ancient damascus steel was obtained with the use of a crucible.

This is really pattern welded steel, true Damascus steel is made using Wootz steel from India