Simply, a revolver in the hand of someone who knows how to use it is still a formidable weapon.

@exothermal.sprocket

5 жыл бұрын

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@m.loughlin1915

3 жыл бұрын

"Still a formidable weapon"? No it isn't. IT'S SUPERIOR.

I will preface by saying I was a city police officer for over three decades. For about half of it my duty weapon was a revolver, the other half we carried first SIGs, then Glocks. I am well versed in both platforms. In the northern half of this country we wear jackets, coats, parkas, etc. for at least half the year. Also, when living your normal life you are not walking around in condition red, or however you want to describe it. You are out shopping, going to movies, the bank, etc. If you get attacked, you may not see it coming. If you think you can get to that large semi-automatic, under your coat, maybe under a sweater or sweatshirt to boot, you are kidding yourself. A revolver with a covered hammer like an S&W Airweight or Ruger LCR in a coat pocket it way faster into action and you can shoot through the pocket if necessary. Your attacker will never see the gun that killed him. This is just food for thought. I like semi-automatics too, but I carry a revolver plus speedloader a lot.

@ThePreparedNorseman

5 жыл бұрын

Totally agree with your statement, and the ability to shoot from the pocket really is a major factor. Sadly thats not an option over here so ill just have to blow my rape whistle and run away hehe! (Its pretty loud tho)

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

I did test firing through the pockets of old jeans with the LCP and .38 Special snubby. The .38 Special actually has just enough blast to rip a hole right through with the first shot, then after that the barrel is fully exposed. Not only did the LCP not have enough blast with the .380 round to cut a hole in the material, but it stovepipe jammed on shot one each time I tried to run it that way. That's an advantage to a snubby that is overlooked, losing a good deal of blast out the muzzle of a short barrel has it's hidden advantages.

@innerviews897

5 жыл бұрын

Pointblank2U shot through the pocket never saw it commin smooth

@cathompson58

5 жыл бұрын

Pointblank2U agree .. I was in a situation where I was attacked walking into a robbery .. 2 men .. I had a S&W 9mm Shield and they ran when they saw it .. didn’t need to fire .. I did remember to turn off the safety so it was ready to fire .. but during and after I found myself wishing I had my Ruger LCR for all the same reasons you mention .. reliable and plenty of firepower at 5 yards, point and shoot or even if fighting while shooting .. now I carry my LCR most of the time .. I am not a policeman so I don’t need to engage and win a fight with 3 drug dealers in an alley .. I don’t need to arrest anyone .. my gun is a “get off me” weapon.. a last resort and a way to help me get out of the situation or stop the threat .. not the same as an officer .. I don’t feel under-protected, I actually feel more sure about the situation, even with fewer rounds .. I do carry a speed loader and practice it every day with my eyes closed (at night when I disarm) ..

@Fudmottin

5 жыл бұрын

When I pocket carry my 638, it's in a holster that precludes shooting through the pocket. If my spider senses start tingling, I can have my hand in my pocket with fingers on the grip. Perhaps if I'm in a dark, bad place I can even transfer the gun without the holster to a jacket pocket. At that point I would be looking for a populated area to get into. I might also be wishing I owned a 10,000 lumen flashlight that fit in the palm of my other hand.

To use the star wars analogy for the lightsaber to the revolver. Not as clumsy or random as a semi auto. An elegant weapon for a more civilized age.

@infjintegrityvsnarcissism7295

3 жыл бұрын

Damn I've said that for years too

As a retired cop who survived three officer involved shootings (OIS) w/my issued .38 revolver that is still my preference in retirement. That said my LCP is easier to carry, holds more rounds, reloads faster, and is just as accurate @ combat distances. Ignoring the caliber war stuff I walk w/a cane and my limitations make carrying the lightest weapon available a priority. The LCP is still easier & more comfortable than the 340PD so it gets carried a lot more these days. I’m not a cop anymore and my daily orbits are pretty tame so I don’t really need a big heavy sidearm. Good video Sam, keep ‘em coming.

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@oldcop18

3 жыл бұрын

@@GunSam I got the LCP w/the idea of a sometimes deep concealment carry, but as I came to realize how much easier the LCP was to carry it took over the role of EDC.

I enjoyed the video Sam. Very balanced. I'll add this - there was a time in my L.E. career I gladly exchanged a revolver for a high capacity semi-auto. However, in retrospect, as I examine many of the current L.E. shootings, some very questionable, I have to say that there is something to be said for accuracy and deliberation of fire. With the qualifier that I carried speed loaders and that rather than a shotgun my back up was a patrol rifle, I wouldn't have a problem carrying a S&W Model 64 or a Model 15 if I were back on patrol today.

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching and hearing out my opinion. I do know what you mean about questionable shootings, as you and I are probably both thinking about one of Mr. Holster's presentations where he was talking about how the NYPD's average shots fired greatly increased immediately after they switched from revolvers to autos. No matter how trained people are, they do tend to keep pulling that trigger when scared, the question of how many shots did you fire is usually answered with "3", and when examining the facts, in reality 15 were fired or something like that. You probably train more than most modern cops, so I could see why you would be fine with a revolver. I see you as the kind of guy that would bend over backwards to not ever have to shoot anyone if it's a choice.

@LionquestFitness

5 жыл бұрын

That last sentence is a compliment I appreciate greatly.

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

I do get a sense that you're the kind of guy who would climb out on a ledge to help someone down, and then months later check on them personally to make sure they are doing okay.

@Graydog-sx6le

5 жыл бұрын

Good shout out to Greg. I enjoy both of these channels. Y’all both put out solid info. Thanks.

@silentspace7201

5 жыл бұрын

Can't you deliver accurate and deliberate fire with a semi auto? Your going to solve the problem with what you have with you. An AR15 in your car isn't going to do you any good if you need to stop the threat\s immediately and all you have on you is your handgun.

I'm a Marine. I have over 45 years of extensive firearm experience. I have numerous pistols. 1911, 92s, etc etc. Even a 6"686 I love. What do I carry for everyday in the civilian world? 38spl ultralite 6 shot revolver.

@GunSam

4 жыл бұрын

I have known a few Marines and they usually carry revolvers. Just something I have noticed.

When I was twelve years old I was going to get a 22 caliber rifle for Christmas, that shot all three, long rifle, longs and shorts. My dad told me he would get any style I wanted, and he asked me what I wanted. I told him I wanted a single-shot rifle. He was surprised and told me I did not have to get a single-shot. I told him that is what I wanted. I knew I could have a semi-auto, however, the single shot fit me better. I knew I would have to be careful and make every shot. After a couple of years I moved up to a Winchester pump with the exposed hammer. It shot all three as well. This is a comparison of not only the rifles mentioned above, but the revolver and semi-automatic. Oh, I killed a rabbit with the single shot. It was a bolt action from Sears and Roebuck.

Revolvers are far more tolerant of neglect. If I have a clean revolver, load 6 rounds in it and leave it in a drawer for 30 year, it will fire when that day comes. For autoloaders, I would lose confidence of such a pistol in a drawer if I don’t fire and clean it every 6 months.

@infjintegrityvsnarcissism7295

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly, that's why I've recommended a police trade in model 10 to friends who want a just in case gun for home defense.

There have been many debates about this particular topic, and perhaps many more to come. Yet, you have nailed it with your explanation. It is quite clear that you have done your homework, rather than just voicing opinions like many other on the web. Well said, sir!!!

@GunSam

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you.

I like 125 grain .357 magnum from a 3 inch barrel. For me, it is the right compromise between power, size/weight, and controllability. While the 3 inch barrel adds some weight and size, it is pretty controllable when shooting .357 rounds and allows me to carry that kind of power with confidence.

I'm with you Sam. I purchased my first handgun in 1964 for the reasons you gave, reliability accuracy and also stopping power. It was a Colt 6" .357 Magnum. I still enjoy shooting revolvers having a 4" 357 and a couple snub nose revolvers. I rotate the snub nose revolvers during daily carry. For semiautos I have everything from subcompact 9mms to 45 acp. All should be respected and can be quite effective. That said, I remain a fan of the revolver. Thanks for your presentation!

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! I have a little bit of everything as well and it just depends on the day what I might use or carry. Some days a little .380 LCP in the pocket is fine, other days a pocket .38 Special. I like my full size revolvers to be in .357 Mag for versatility and my snubbies to be in just .38 Special due to weight and shootability in a small revolver. I like the 9mm but it's rather boring, good cartridge but it's like a well designed tool, works with no fun. I love the .45 ACP as it's so much more fun to shoot than a 9mm.

Good talk bud, I completely agree with you on alot of that for sure. Also when you mentioned about how it's a beginner and expert weapon, I absolutely agree with that. The same can be said about the 410 shotgun, many say it's not enough and it's only gonna piss em off I definitely dont agree with them. My first firearm was a single shot 410 given to me when I was about 8 and killed everything from birds to deer. I guess it all goes back to experience to justify using or having certain choice weapons not to say I dont like my semi auto pistols and pump 12 gauges but every weapon has a purpose and can be very formidable in the right hands. God bless from ole Carolina.

Some good points about carrying a revolver. I am still on the fence with the idea, and you gave me some food for thought.

This is one of the best videos ive seen in a LONG time! I dont carry a revolver as much as i used to but i still love them and would never think im under armed carrying my lcr in 357mag (with 38spl +p). Theres just something about a revolver that most semi autos dont have. One thing i dont understand is most or alot of auto fans will trash talk a revolver guy but it hardly ever goes the other way, we're carrying out our 2nd amendment right be thankful or happy for them dont sneer at them becuase theyre not carrying exactly what you are or the flavor of the month. Thanks for what you do Sam glad i found you look forward to future content and wish you and yours nothing but the best!

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I think it's because revolver guys can shoot both platforms well, which doesn't go the other way.

@wadevenerdi1060

5 жыл бұрын

Generally not after a few minutes together at the range either, when you start comparing groups... lol

Outstanding video, many thanks!

I feel like I've watched every revolver vs semi auto video on youtube and I can confidently say this video is the best comparison you can get

I never feel undergunned with my 686+ 3 inch I’d never give it up great video

@roosar2001

4 жыл бұрын

Love 686s.

Thank you for this intelligent, well balanced discussion. I carry both revolvers and autos, often just based on how I feel at any given time and I enjoy my range time with both. They are just different and each has advantages and limitations. In cold weather, I sometimes carry one of each with an auto IWB and a holstered snubby in my coat pocket where it is readily available. Wrestling my way through a heavy coat to reach and draw a weapon can be awkward and time consuming. Now that I'm officially old with some unpleasant health issues running is not an easily available option, nor is fighting with my fists. Revolvers have their place!

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Subbed man. I'm 30, I've always been a revolver fan boy. Need more younger guys like us repping the revolvers man. Cant beat the safety, power, durability of a revolver. With moon clips you can reload a fast as a mag. They have push button reloaders too. I own a Kimber custom 2 1911 that I love but something about revolvers I can't escape.

@GunSam

4 жыл бұрын

Some might call me young even at 40, so yes lol.

@Tommy-ni1yw

4 жыл бұрын

Gun Sam _Revolver Aficionado_ hell yeah!

Ppl that really know about there guns carry a revolver because there is so much ups about it and doesn't leave shells behind. Your a smart man. I enjoy carrying my revolver feels good in my hand and is always ready for action.

Revolver for carry is and will always be my personal preference. So many pros, very little cons. 🤠👍🏻

I own and enjoy both revolvers and semi-autos. But without question, for personal defense in the real world, its revolvers: simple, accurate and reliable. Perhaps I don't have a rich enough fantasy life to think I will be attacked by a terrorist death squad and need a high capacity semi and multiple mags. I will take my chances with a wheel gun.

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

When I walk out the house with the LCP, I honestly don't feel as protected as I do with the .38 Special snubby. The con is that it's more difficult to shoot well, however in the LCP I need an 85 gr bullet to get 1,000 fps velocity, as where the 110gr+P Critical Defense does 1,000 fps in the snubby. Having 25 extra grains doing the same velocity is nice, and in a reliable package it's comforting.

@silentspace7201

5 жыл бұрын

Simple accurate and reliable, just like most striker fired pistols. If you do have to reload revolvers are far more complicated and your more likely to have to do so with such limited capacity. Your chances of being car jacked or home invaded by multiple people might be greater than you think. Cowards gain strength in numbers, wolves run in packs.

@timclaus8313

5 жыл бұрын

@@GunSam Recently picked up a CA Bulldog XL in 45 Colt. Easy shooting (for a snubby) and packs a serious wallop. Can handle any standard pressure 45 Colt round. Just a hair bigger than my Bersa Thunder, so, while not a small as an LCR, still pretty compact. Lots of good choices for small revolvers, especially if you are not hung up on the name engraved on the side.

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

Interesting. I never heard of the .45 LC version until now.

@wizardofahhhs759

5 жыл бұрын

@@timclaus8313 I just bought a Charter Pitbull in .45acp and I love it. Not too heavy and moderately easy to conceal IWB.

Hello Sam, for me it was an easy choice. I came from the bullseye world, I lived at the 25 meters line and the .22 pistol was my comparison standard. When I decided to have a centerfire gun, I tried a few and no factory handgun seemed to be able to score, almost none, cause the S&W K14 could do as good a work as the .22 pistol, I got a 686 in the end but it was the range's k14 that convinced me.

You also have a valid statement to this. I like the fact that you can press a revolver up against someone and it won’t come out of battery.

I carry a revolver because of the size and comfort of the snubbed nose I carry. My philosophy on carrying a gun is for protection of myself and those around me. I’m not looking for a fight so I’ll be scooting and dragging everyone with me. The gun will open a door for escaping the threat. Practical round count is the ones you have on you if you really think about it. Skill level is the ones you trained for. I’m no expert but I think I’m effective enough to “nope” it out of the situation. I will also step in to lend assistance if I know I can. Most cases I do and I process it in the blink of an eye. Stay safe folks and remember if you are dead you can’t protect anyone else.

Another good Video ! I too am a "Revolver Guy" , and occasionally do carry an Auto . Out of 27 handguns , (5) of 'em are semi-Autos . I just feel better (actually , I believe them to be the "Epitome of Reliability") with a Revolver .

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you.

Very good video! I alternate my daily concealed carry firearm (Auto or Revolver), depending on the season, where I'm going and what I'm wearing. That being said, in defending a home invasion there is a real possibility for multiple assailants. My preferred protection is the quick and simple access to my S&W 686, no worrying about whether the safety is on, mag is inserted and loaded. My back-up is a Ruger GP100. My first plan is to protect me and family to escape, call for law enforcement, or using my firearms accordingly, as necessary. If a family member is forced to take over if I'm incapacitated, a revolver is the most simple weapon to use, and it works every time! I love 'em! One suggestion I have for your video, with all due respect, would be to include a chart of the ammo suggestions. You already show other charts that help in conveying your message, but I like to take notes, and it's hard to do while trying to pay attention to your messages. Just a thought!

@GunSam

4 жыл бұрын

I don't remember what I did or didn't do in this video but they aren't often enough that I have gotten a good routine of how to show data. I really like my 686 because of the reliability. I been inside and out of it, even having to strip down the internals so I could put a new sear spring in it from losing it in a previous cleaning. From all I have seen of how the hammer block works and the sears and all of that, it made me appreciate it even more because there's literally nothing than can fail in it in a time of need. I can't say the same for almost all other revolvers that use a transfer bar. Most are reliable, but them transfer bars can snap off, so that't why I usually carry S&W.

Because you like them

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

That's one reason.

@CandidZulu

5 жыл бұрын

Because shotguns are hard to conceal.

I like carrying both myself. It’s just how I feel that day. My activity that day. Weather conditions. All of this comes into play. I like both pretty equal. There is something I do like thought a little more with revolvers. Can’t tell you want it’s is. I just really like them as carry and range use. Thanks for the video.

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

I always feel like a much cooler guy when I leave with a revolver. Most of the time when I carry an auto it's either for convenience or for settling fears. The LCP is so tiny so it's less burden than even a J-frame, and if i'm going somewhere that is slightly dangerous, I will carry a hi-cap auto.

Thank you for the video. Though I'm older than you, you are more knowledgeable on this subject than I am and I appreciate your incite. 😎👍

@GunSam

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks. Most people don't know I'm 40 lol

@williamgrissom1995

4 жыл бұрын

@@GunSam I'm 53. But I gathered you were not in your 20s, since you did say you spent 25 years shooting. Lol 😂

FBI says most self defense situations had the defender firing 1-3 shots, capacity is not a factor for most civilians.

What draws me towards revolvers is my experience with them as a kid my great uncle taught me how to shoot with his s&w 586 and colt python they just felt right in my hand and revolvers still do to this day.

You touched upon the main reason I carry a snub nose revolver in my pocket. For years I carried various small semi-autos in pocket carry. At least 3 times I took it out to practice and it wouldn’t shoot. Once I had to send back to Factory. The others were my fault for not cleaning it regularly. I read once that semi is better for taking abuse and the revolver is better for neglect. That is, a semi can be dropped in the mud and cleaned up enough to shoot. If you try that with a revolver, you’ve got a problem. Consequently, if you leave your revolver alone for years, it should still shoot. I leave my revolver in my pocket for long Times between shooting it. I know I should shoot Moreland often, but finding the time. Revolvers are just a little more reliable in my opinion.

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, they seem to be pretty reliable. Funny thing is that I have never dropped my revolvers or fallen on them :)

The revolver is the Gentleman's gun in my eyes. Its a timeless piece of art, craftsmanship, and character. You can never get bored with shooting a revolver. Their just fun. I used to carry a CZ P-07. But now I carry a 3 inch Ruger SP101 with full power handloads (135 Grain Speer Gold Dot being pushed out by 15.5 grains of AA No 9. Haven't chrono'd it yet though) I also own a 6 inch Talo Edition Ruger GP100 with Badger Custom grips Which I also love shooting. It'll be the 2nd revolver that I will put XS Night sights on. Excellent video by the way. I came across your channel about 2 months back, and grew tired of the revolver bashing. Keep up the great content! I'm learning a lot from you too! Thank you!

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Thanks for watching. I used to have a 3" and 2.25" SP101, great guns. I'll bet that 6" GP100 looks pretty mean. I haven't been able to do any full power .357 mag loads with the powders I have on hand, Power Pistol is probably the hottest one I have for a magnum load, but if I remember right I think 1,350 fps or so is about as fast as I can push a 125 gr with it.

@Battleaxegunner

5 жыл бұрын

@@GunSam If I remember correctly from one of my reloading manuals, I think Power Pro 300-MP is as fast as you can get with a 125 grain XTP at very high velocities out of at least a 6 inch barrel. Whopping 1600+ FPS with 20.4 grains (Max loads). But for fun at the range, I usually charge with 20.3 gr of W296 for those nice huge fireballs and rings of fire! Its so satisfying when you shoot them at night too.

@Battleaxegunner

5 жыл бұрын

@@GunSam I have a video of myself at a range shooting some hot loads from Underwood. They load their stuff Hot (which I love). Go full power or go home! (Grins)

@williambeasley2582

4 жыл бұрын

I have never been called a gentleman when I was on duty ha ha. But me and my revolver did what was expected of us. I carried a s&w 642 for prison medcal transport the last 2 years I was able to work and am now retired.

@timclaus8313

4 жыл бұрын

@@williambeasley2582 Drag out a Blackhawk or Super Blackhawk, and the bad guy is going to set an Olympic record in the 100 meter dash.......

First of all, your presentations are, in my considered opinion and those of my associates, honest, direct, and informative. We deeply appreciate that you weather the storm from the haters and naysayers that seem to lurk everywhere in social media. We believe your videos reveal true knowledge that is normally realized only by those who have experienced more than just a few gunfights. It is because of your knowledge base that I’m motivated to share the following info with you. As with all knowledge, it is to be considered and then (a) thrown away if it is meaningless to you, or (b) put on a mental bulletin board for later study, or finally, (c) used by making it your own. About revolvers: 1. Ammunition is not needed to fully function a revolver. The autoloader must actually fire a round to generate the forces created in normal operation. These forces cannot be simulated by simply chambering a round by hand. 2. Our entry teams use revolvers because they cannot be jammed in CQB like a autoloader can. 3. Revolvers place much less of a demand on the performance of lubricants than semiautomatics. 4. All you need to put a revolver in service is the proper ammunition and the revolver. No mags to lose or damage. 5. Pulling the trigger again is faster by far than executing a tap-rack-bang even on your very best day. (As you pointed out...) 6.Revolvers are more reliable in extreme environments than semiautomatics. 7. Revolvers break fewer parts in normal operations than semiautomatics when proper timing is maintained. 8. Complete disassembly maintenance for cleaning and lubrication is at least half of that needed for semiautomatics. On tactics: In a fast-paced world, high capacity firearms are misused. In several studies it has been shown that when people have high-capacity handguns they shoot many more rounds than are necessary to disable a threat. The same people disregard tactical thinking entirely, substituting firepower for tactics. This only works against an inexperienced opponent or until ammo runs low. Managing scarcity should be SOP (Standard Operating Procedure) where firing is dictated by the opponent(s) who will show you if they need to be shot again. A well-known saying is, “If you think you need higher capacity, go learn how to shoot.” I began my career using a Colt 1911 Series 70 set up by James Hoag and a S&W .357 Magnum. After 22 years I switched to revolvers exclusively even in target-rich environments. Basic fundamental tactics, nothing over-daring, works. In fact, properly-applied tactics makes it seem like your opponents go out of their way to put themselves under your front sight. At first, Small Arms Tactics is a huge area of study but after a time, good tactics become simple and clear. Bat Masterson once said, “After I fire my Colt five times, I have all the time in the world to reload.” Even six rounds is enough in most cases. For the exceptions, learn to reload reliably.

In my mind.the simplicity of operation and the unlikely chance of failure.makes me feel good .

This is my Gun Sam video and watched the the entire length. I happen to agree with a lot, if not all of his points. I too carry an auto about 50% of the time (when I'm w my wife as she carries a S&W.Shield 9, which i handle/shoot just as well as well my as carry revolver, a Ruger SP101 in 9mm. All told, whether I'm carrying my Shield or my Ruger, I'm still carrying a 9mm & 15rds. The only difference is with the Ruger, i lose approx 25-50FPS according to my chrono & my buddy's bc of the barrel gap). My last 4 years in the Marines I carried a M9 when on-duty & qualled Expert, gotTop Shooter in CQB school in my class [06-02) so I'm not untrained in autos by any means; I just prefer revolvers, like a a shrinking population of CCW practitioners.

Thank you for calling out the myth that a revolver is just for beginners. Yes, it is easy and simple for a beginner. But it takes a lot of work and practice to be able to reload one quickly and under pressure.

I own both platforms. I tend to rely on my semi hi capacity for home defense and a 686 3 inch as primary carry. I think a large shiny revolver is a gun I may not need to shoot if I ever needed to present it. I also think a revolver is easier to inspect than press check on a semi to know if it’s loaded.

@tokr72

4 жыл бұрын

@ThisnThatPackRat It depends. It is a mistake... until it isn't.

Great video. From 5-2-1988 to 5-2-2018 my duty weapon was S&W 585-4'' and my back up was a S&W 64-2'', in Chicago in 1994 we started getting simi autos in 45 acp, in 2000 they made the simi auto officers go to a 9 mm, i and about 60 Officers keep our Revolvers. My first partner die in a off duty shoot out , in 1998 when his auto jamed. 30 years on the job, had to pull and use my gun 4 times. I would ( just between us , sell one of my kids before I would my 586 ) lol stay safe.

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I wasn't aware that some could keep their revolvers. I have heard similar stories about the LAPD, I think they were able to keep their model 28's when auto's came in. I do actually like the .45 ACP. I have discovered that I do like the cartridges and handguns that become antiquated by most standards, because I put time and research into what the common thought is that they are antiquated, and I start to find out how in reality they are not, so I use them and promote them. In 2018 I still think that the .38 Special and .45 ACP are a couple of the best cartridges ever created.

The big advantage for semi-automatics used to be the magazine capacity. With states limiting magazines to 10 rounds (and efforts for lower limits), that advantage is not what it used to be.

When I learned that citizen involved shootings almost never go past 5 shots fired at an attacker, I was just fine carrying a revolver. The durability, and ease at which semi autos can be taken apart and deep cleaned is where they really shine.

Enjoyed the video ,I own both semi autos and revolvers and carry both depending on time of year and clothing attire depends on which one I carry. A lot of people that aren't fans of the wheel gun always say is capacity and 9mm is more powerful . IMHO shot placement is the most important thing many LEO have shot bad guys with 40 Cal's and not stop the threat because of shot placement. 5 well placed shots are better than 8 bad placed shot and or misses . The other thing is the energy and speed thing numbers on paper that's all last year I tested 130 HST in 38 out of a j frame 750 fps ! But it went through a set of pork ribs 1 inch steak 4lb bag of oranges and out another set of ribs breaking the ribs on both sides ! Expanded diameter of this bullet was 3/4 " . Pistols stop the threat from disrupting organ function and causing bleeding not hydraulic shock like rifles. Revolvers are more reliable ,safe ,and accurate they do require range time to shot well but I can dump 5 rounds on and 8_ steel plate at 16 yards easy . Not to mention that attacks happen up close with a revolver it always goes bang doesn't come out of battery and if it doesn't go bang because of a bad primer just pull the trigger again try clearing a bad round from and auto in a self defense fight for your life up close .

Great discussion.........It seems never to grow old. Good points about spring compression. I think of these things , especially when storing a striker fired gun.. With a revolver, there is no need to unload except to use snap caps or clean or show the gun. A tool that is absolutely safe and ready.

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I have never experienced spring compression issues personally, that being said I never just take my gun out ans start shooting it with it's carry ammo. I unload it and load new ammo, so when I shoot the guns I probably never will experience this.

@abc-wv4in

5 жыл бұрын

@@GunSam Whether it's one of my snubs or one of my semi's, I shoot the SD/JHP ammo that's in it (see if it would've worked!) and then start shooting my FMJ target ammo. After I clean the gun, load fresh JHP in it for SD. I don't get to shoot very often so it's not too expensive. (Buy online at good prices, too.) I go back and forth as to which would be better to carry. (I don't usually carry either.) Have to say, for women's almost-nonexistent pants pockets, the only thing that will sometimes fit is my tiny Bodyguard 380 pistol. If I'm wearing a jacket or vest, though, the J-frame goes in the pocket.

Both grandpa's carried 38 Specials in WW2, ( not all troops carried 1911s) They both carried 38s for their civilian carry. Both men were crack shots and were very quick and accurate. 1 lived long enough to try my Glock 21. He said he wished he had one of these in WW2 but he said he will stick with his 38 because in 3 years of combat his experience was a revolver and he will stick with what saved his life numerous times. He could put most rounds in a 3 inch group very quickly. When I'm in the woods it's a 357 revolver with a 6 inch barrel for bears. When I'm in town it's the Glock 22 or 21.

A+ Sam I agree with all you points. I have several of each (understatement for sure) as of late I find myself carrying a simple 5 shot Charter Arms Undercover. Yeah it’s the cheapest revolver I own but something about it just works for me.

@timclaus8313

5 жыл бұрын

The Pitbulls in 9, 40, 45 and 41 mag pack a lot of punch, and the Bulldog XL in 45 Colt is stout, but very shootable.

@wizardofahhhs759

5 жыл бұрын

The Charters are built not for form but for function, which is all I need anyway.

@PetuniaIii-pd1ww

3 жыл бұрын

We have the same revolver on the nightstand on missus side of bed...you're right about the Charter, it does grow on you over time...the missus carries a 856, she is a .38 revolver person through and through...i might have to get her another one...

I was actually interested in our local police (both the nearest town an the county Sheriff). For both units, the standard issue is either a Glock 22 or 23 (no they did not go back to 9mm), yet many of the officers and deputies, some old but many rookies, opted to carry revolvers. All of them chose 6" S&W 686s with a j-frame backup, with the exception of one older deputy who carried a Python. I carry a 4" 686-3 (pre-lock) with a speedloader on the regular. Time gets split between that and a 5" 1911, so I like autoloaders as well.

My collection consists of 5. .22, bolt 581, Auto 10/22, revolver 4in 8 shot. tO STEP IT UP A BIT. 357 magnum. 5 shot 4 in SS revolver, and a 22 in single shot break action Rifle with scope. I hand load for the 357 for pistol normal pressers, for rifle, outstanding power. 357 magnum = Versatility. Light JHP bullets for PSD. The heavy bullets, Hunting. Hard cast lead SWC, deer, wild hog and groundhogs. 125 grain HP, 6 in barrel, 1400 fps. Same round, 22 in Rifle, 1700 fps. Tears up a Warthog.

With a revolver you can load different cartridges for special purpose such as shotshells low recoil up to +p ammo . thus having the right bullet for your intended target just by turning the cylinder.

@mkshffr4936

3 жыл бұрын

With a .32 revolver you can load for defense, a woods walk for squirrels and rabbits, coyote patrol, or gallery loads or shot for barn rats. With a .357 you can add deer or pigs to the menu. Flexible old shootin irons.

Comment #2: Again, an exceLlent terminal ballistics section. To make all the various arguments for one caliber over another for defensive pistolcraft null and void, talk to people who kill people and destroy things in the name of their various nations. When you do this you find that in the world of handguns, heavy slow-moving bullets or fast light-weight bullets incapacitate human targets faster if they are well-placed. Proper placement is the king of stopping power more than any other factor with handguns. First of all, hit what you aim at. Nobody ever died from noise in a gunfight. Second, make sure your hits are in important places. For fast-moving targets the hip joints are easier to hit than the head. When you have more time, shoot individual major organs. In my unit our trainers had us build a visible man model to learn basic anatomy. Use that knowledge to better place your hits to stop the threat in time. Shooting in this way evens-out the various effects of caliber and comparatively low power resident in handgun ammo, thereby making a wide range of calibers viable for more effective defense. Always remember that applying deadly force should only be done as a last-option effort to save your life or that of another victim. But when, after due consideration, you decide it’s absolutely necessary to shoot, then shoot and accept the undoubtedly horrible consequences.

Good point on the variety of ammunition for a revolver. With semi-automatics you are restricted to power levels that will cycle the action. But you don't always need to, or want to, use full power rounds. For training, lighter rounds or wadcutters are very desirable and often much more economical. You cannot do that with semi-automatics.

I love Sam's common sense.

My standard in the woods carry are S&W 29-2 4in revolver backed by my Glock 22 gen 3 40 cal pistol.

High capacity semi-automatics lose a chunk of their appeal when you are in a state with magazine restrictions.

I rewatch your videos thru time n never shot a live round before.

@GunSam

3 жыл бұрын

I don't understand what you are saying.

Shot placement is key no matter what the caliber. The IDF commandos used .22 cal for hijacking situations in the 70’s.

I carry one of each everyday. 642 and Glock 26 😁 love both!

Both/and. (Not at the same time). Depends on the day's activities. Although I've not carried my 3" SP101 since acquiring a .357 Sig last May.

My PRE SHOT SHOW In-Depth Review on Rock Island's NEW CZECH AL9.0 3" 6-shot 9mm Revolver review pushing it hard in realistic CCW drills kzread.info/dash/bejne/e3WCo66pmpC7ZNY.html

Stovepipes, misfires and jams. Don't have a problem with a revolver. Get s misfire, just pull the trigger again. Any of those in a auto can cost your life

After years of owning striker fired pistol they all started looking the same and boring. Recently I bought a Ruger GP100 with 5 inch barrel and absolutely feel in love with it. I carry it daily and shooting 357 magnum is way more fun than 9mm or 45 acp. Simple to use, no slide to rack which my hands find hard to do because of my recent nerve issues and carpal tunnel syndrome as well. My hands are not bothered with revolver even 357 magnum rounds when shooting. Love it! Great powerful round fired out of simple classic platform is stainless satin finished steel gun. I am a revolver guy as of now 100%.

Absolutely agree‼️

Elmer Keith maintained that, for civilians, the revolver is probably the best choice. If anyone should know, it woulda been him.

@robertmendez2548

4 жыл бұрын

Still have the magazine where that Keith quote was published.

@squrtcap

3 жыл бұрын

J frame size revolver is most sold revolver in USA. Better point and shoot than any semi-auto I have owned. Detectives carried these for over 80 years and the older J frames only shot 38 special. Tubbs in Miami Vice carries one almost exclusively and is backed up with a sawed off 12 gauge, what a combo.

In Spring & Summer I usually carry my Taurus 605 .357 magnum in Fall & Winter I usually carry my M&P Shield .45 & believe it or not my 1911 pistol under my heavy coat!!! I must admit though that the Taurus .357 snub nose is very light & easy to carry in my leather holster!!!

There's enough videos of self-proclaimed KZread gun experts out there showing us how to clean a gun, weigh a gun, tell us how many rounds it holds, etc. You're kinda the exception in that you give well reasoned gun/ammo advice. We consult a lawyer not to just have him read back to us what the law is - we can all do that for ourselves. We go to a lawyer for advice and counsel. Thanks for the advice and counsel !

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

@davidatticus5179

5 жыл бұрын

Quite right, and well said. 👍

I just bought a .327 magnum with a 3inch barrel. One revolver that can shoot 5 different cartridges. Don't have to worry about finding ammo.

I have a bunch of handguns but always have my trusty J frame because it’s very comfortable to carry . My 340 is light enough to carry in basketball shorts

I like revolvers and autoloaders both.but I really love the single action revolvers and that drives my friend who is a Glock fan boy nuts.LOL My favorite handgun is a old colt single action chambered in .45 LC with the 7.5 inch barrel.I love Squirrel hunting with my Ruger mark 3 Hunter in 22 LR but I have a sweet little Colt Tropper with a 4 inch barrel in 22 LR and it is a really fun revolver to just have fun with shooting cans or taking out a Groundhog thats in my garden for years my Dad would carry that same revolver when he went out Coon hunting he said it was easier to get thru the woods after dark if he diddn't have to tote a shotgun around and when you have a couple of hounds on the leash one will always go around the wrong side of the tree when you are walking out of the woods, having a handgun just makes things easier some times .

Nothing beats having your hand on a revolver in your coat pocket when you’re on the road at night and stop for gas. When I stop I just pull it from the holster and slip it into my pocket. Where I live a jacket 6 months out of the year is normal.

I've carried many different types of guns in multiple calibers for the past 18 years. I thank God that I haven't used any of them for anymore than putting holes in paper. The past year I've been carrying a j frame snubby .38 special. I put a pair of crimson trace laser grips to compensate for my lack of skill with it. All in all, I feel that I'm not under armed running to the store to buy milk and bread.

Well thought out. I carry a 357 snubby loaded with +p and for HD I have a 4 in 357. I load for both and have found the sweet spot for the snubby. I carry and use revolvers because I shoot better with them. I have a Glock 17 that I shoot, but not too well.

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you. I kind of found the sweet spot as well for my .38 snubby and 4" house .357 mag. In the .38 I like either Critical Defense or Gold Dot short barrel as they both perform well and have decent power. In the .357 mag I like the 125 gr classic full house loads.

I think greater round count is the biggest factor in people choosing to carry a semiautomatic, another reason is accuracy, with revolvers, the long hard double action trigger pull is more difficult to master, particularly if your shooting a stubby. For those that choose to carry a revolver I think safety, reliability as well as the simple manual of arms is the main reason. That being as you have said, both have there place. I have carried both, and often carry a LCR 38 special with + P ammo during the summer months, light and easy to conceal . Is it my preferred CCW? no. My preferred CCW is a semiautomatic Walther P99 C with the anti stress trigger (9 mil, double single action, 10 round magazine ). I really like not having to worry about any safety, but definitely feel safer with the longer heavier trigger pull on the first round. What ever you choose practice and become proficient with it. If it is a revolver more power to you, it is not a bad choice, just practice double action, you will be glad you did, if you ever need it.

I used my snubbie twice to deter two robberies. Didn't have to shoot it. Just displayed it. Bad guys decided they didn't want to get shot and skidattled.

I've been carrying my sp101 since the weather has gotten cooler out not because its bigger my normal l carry is a glock 17. I do find the revolver carried in a leather holster sucks right up against the body very nicely. Plus .357 will always out penetrate 9mm which I feel in winter may be necessary for multiple layers of clothing. I don't carry the 17 for the round count though. I just shoot it very well.

I have carried my Glock 17 since Sept 1989. Never had to draw it on a human in 30 years. Never a jam either in 30 years of competition shooting.

Some think I Heard years ago one hit with a 38 beats 10 Misses with a 9mm It comes down to what you’re comfortable with

I never thought of law enforcement or military or private security needing more rounds for their jobs. It helps put the issue in perspective. I’m glad to see young people who appreciate revolvers. They are easy to shoot but not easy to be accurate. And IMHO they are safer from a negligent discharge. As you say there are many ways to use a firearm, such as target or hunting. It can be fun sport not just personal defense. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

@GunSam

4 жыл бұрын

How young is young? lol.

@danielscuiry2847

4 жыл бұрын

Well I guess age is relative, really. I’m a boomer if that makes any sense. I’m probably old enough to be your dad. But more to your point. I think a few younger shooters lean more toward semi-autos than revolvers. Hope that helps 😀

@GunSam

4 жыл бұрын

@@danielscuiry2847 my dad is 70 and I'm 40. I have RA and many other conditions so I often feel old.

@danielscuiry2847

4 жыл бұрын

I’m not terribly far behind your dad. I’ve known chronic pain since my late 20’s back and neck problems... I suppose it’s what we make of our years than our “chronological” age that really matters.

I am a huge revolver guy but I have to say I am sorely tempted by the Kel Tek P17 at least for some situation due to 1) low cost 2) very fast triple taps 33) tremendous ammo capacity 4) less deafening blast. That said my heart cries for a 3" .32 or .38 revolver.

Carry one of each mp45 & j frame 38+p same weight as pair of shoes...you can arm a friend/wife...vs extra mag...Also Mic holster for 38 kydex for semi...Thanks for details on snub j frames very hard to find.

It's much easier to do dry fire practice with a gun that doesn't have to be cocked for each and every shot. I don't know how important that is, but I find racking a slide to be annoying. It's not so bad with a 1911 style SA pistol because thumbing the hammer isn't that hard. There are also a few DA/SA pistols around like the Walther PP series (which have atrociously heavy DA triggers). I think another thing to consider that is perhaps more important is that with revolvers, you can change out grips to fit your hand better. All that said, I like good quality handguns regardless of whether they are automatics or revolvers. Each has its place.

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

That's true. A nice laser and some snap caps and you can increase your skills as fast as you want to. If someone would just come up with some sort of jumping pistol that attacked to your muzzle to simulate recoil!

@Fudmottin

5 жыл бұрын

High recoil Airsoft BB cartridges perhaps?

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

I don't know how my typing was so far off, but I was saying a jumping piston attached to the muzzle. Like something that extends instantly to produce simulated recoil.

@Fudmottin

5 жыл бұрын

@@GunSam You must have been a victim of auto spell correct.

@stephen8433

5 жыл бұрын

@@GunSam Sam, I have been searching for that just now online. In the 80's or 90's two competitive shooters teamed up, invented and marketed a compressed air attachment for the 1911 style pistols for dry firing with the same recoil as live fire. It was a good training device. It was in the gun magazines. I can't remember their names.

Good video . I don't see the need for people to bash revolvers or semi autos. There is a place for both.I own & carry both. Ruger sp 101, s&w shield, s&w 9 2.0. I like them all . I even have an old charter arms 38 spl. that I love to shoot. It's not an expensive gun, but it sure is a lot of fun. There are a lot of different reasons for owning a certain firearm. I enjoy your videos very much, thanks for what you do.

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I know what it's like to have a firearm that's not particularly expensive, but it works well and is fun to shoot. I have for a little while been wanting to re-explore Taurus. I had some issues with them in the past, so just a .38 from them that would run $250 might be a good project gun to test out that company again.

@YellowHammer26

5 жыл бұрын

@@GunSam I have had my charter arms since the early 90s. It has held up well, but is not rated for +p ammo. But like I said it's just good practice & a lot of fun.

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

I have wanted the Bulldog .44 forever and a day. Seems like something that would be fun to reload for and shoot light loads through.

@RustyOpel

5 жыл бұрын

@@GunSam Get it! I have an Undercover .38, Mag Pug .357 and a Bulldog .44 (among others) and picked up the 'Dog used at a pawn shop for $350 or so but of the 3 I seem to shoot the Bulldog the best using Remington 240g RN (SJHP for carry) and smile the most when using it at the range. Been eyeing the CA offerings in .40, .41 & .45 as well. In fairness to the semi guys - looking at Bersa Thunder and Mustang pocketlite .380s, Springfield EMP .40 and well.. just to round things out a small 1911 based .45.

Yes, a beginner can use a revolver. My wife, who is a beginner shooter, love a revolver because it is so simple to operate and does not require much hand/grip strength like you need to rack most slides. But mastering reloading a revolver rapidly under stress, as well as using both double action and single action, does take some time a practice. Bottom line, revolvers can be for anyone.

All great points. I've only had 3 dud rounds from a .357, older Smith with a super light trigger, could have been light primer strikes. Point is, pulling the trigger again made a bang. A dud round in a semi auto would require more practice to get it back into action. I see people at the range hit the "pause" button when they have a malfuntion, in both types, to figure out the problem. I get it, I waited 30 seconds or so on those dud rounds to avoid the hangfire. But, if was under attack I'd just have pulled the trigger again, and could have done that quick and/or with one hand.

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

Was the ammo .38 Special or .357 magnum? I do know that some magnum primers use harder cups with their magnum ammo, which can cause issues with light strikes on tuned revolvers. I don't remember the brand, but one is notorious for having softer than average primer cups that work better for tuned revolvers, if I remember right it's either Federal or Remington primers/ammo.

@marzcapone9939

5 жыл бұрын

@@GunSam It was .357 Winchester white box. An older 586, firing pin on hammer, and may have had trigger work. I got it used, but that trigger was butter smooth, in single action was a little scary, lightest double action pull I've experienced. Gave it to my Brother, he still has it.

SA pistols are amazing. They are a mathematical equation of balance between ((force of recoil - spring tension) * reciprocal weight = ??? and they are amazingly reliable despite all the challenges in getting the math right. Don't even get me started on when you think of the magazine as a separate machine itself. Now we are thinking about 2 machines and how they interact? Like I said, SA's are reliable despite the complexity. But the revolver simply has to have a little machine attached to the trigger to make sure the cylinder is at the right place when the hammer falls. So much easier. The older I get, the more I appreciate simplicity. I am an Engineer. We have a saying that it is easy to engineer something complex, and add complexity to improve things. However, the best engineering makes things less complex and better.

We agree on so many things. I bought my first handgun in 1980. Shot handguns since childhood but 1980 started shooting them regularly. Shot quite a few semis 9mm 40sw 45acp nothing wrong with them just not my preference. Its amazing to me their reliability. A slide with sights in motion every shot. I think in guerrilla warfare or law enforcement the extra capacity may be necessary. Started to buy one several times never did. Now that Coonan 357 is slick as a whistle. My thoughts if Coonan made a 41mag I would buy it.as for Desert Eagles never shot one.its kinda like this some peoe will buy a Dodge with a diesel and 6sp manual and some will buy a subcompact with a 4cyl with a 8 speed auto to drive. Give me a revolver any day. I dont think I will ever run into guerrilla warfare on the streets of America

@GunSam

3 жыл бұрын

I'm 30 years behind lol. Born in 1980, didn't get really serious about my own handguns until 2009. But I grew up shooting long guns.

Reliability -- I have been shooting for about 40 years. In all those years, I only had one failure to fire (other than bad primers, that can happen with both a revolver and semi-automatic) attributed to the revolver -- and that was when some crud got behind the ejector "star" and would not allow the cylinder to close. I have had some failures to extract, stove-pipes, some failures to chamber, and many failures to eject with semi-automatics over the same years.

@GunSam

4 жыл бұрын

Yes spot on with my experience but only been shooting handguns regularly for 12 years. People claim all sorts of reliability issues with revolvers, but it's mostly maintenance related. You get enough crud even on the rear frame and the rounds won't rotate, I have had this happen once and it was cured by opening and closing the cylinder, so one partial "jam" in 12 years. With autos in that time frame, i'd say probably 500-600 "jams" of some form or another.

@PetuniaIii-pd1ww

3 жыл бұрын

I think a big part of revolver reliability versus autoloader reliability is revolvers are much easier to clean and keep clean...too many people give their weapons a once over and say good enough...and it usually is, but we think if we betting on performance when it matters, short odds the way to go...we spend a lot of time cleaning after range visits because the next use might not be a range visit...

@k_enn

3 жыл бұрын

@@PetuniaIii-pd1ww - I agree, in large part. Some people are too lazy, or not knowledgeable enough, to field strip a semi-auto when cleaning it. They think they just need wo swab the barrel. Also, I have found some semi-autos to be fairly sensitive as to the amount and type of lubricant used -- too much and it gunks up, not enough and it does not cycle smoothly, and sometimes the wrong lube (grease v. oil v. teflon powder). You generally do not need to take about a revolver to give it a good cleaning, although once every few years you should pull the side plate to make sure you are not accumulating crud inside the works.

I own a lot of hand guns, auto and revolvers. My edc is a 637. Simple and accurate.

There are pluses and minuses in both the revolver and the auto. Hell, carry both if you want.😀

In day to day scenarios I'm confident with my Ruger LCR or S&W Airweight 642,...In combat, "street wars", or running gun battles against multiple attackers, THEN I'd prefer having an 18-20 shot 9mm semi auto pistol, a semi auto rifle, AND my LCR. or Airweight Smith in .38spl +P

One thing often missed is that police mission involves needing to apprehend where the civilian pretty much just needs to end the threat. A revolver is like a Saxophone, easy to play but also easy to play badly... relatively hard to play really well.

which better for home defense and target practice, 4 inch or 6 inch revolver?

@GunSam

3 жыл бұрын

That's a personal preference, both will have close to the same ballistics as most .38 Special ammo pretty much maxes out it's power in a 4" barrel. A 6" barrel will hold steadier with straight forward target shooting and reduce recoil, but leading the muzzle quickly from target to target will have your shots breaking too far left of right from where you intended to land them, but it's negligible. A 4" barrel will lead to point of aim faster, but holding the gun out for precision shooting is less with a 4" barrel vs a 6". Overall not a huge difference between the two.

With the premise that the handgun (revolver or auto) is just a means to get to your long gun, the revolver is the way to go. However, if all you're carrying is a handgun with no financial means to purchase a long gun, you're probably better off with an auto - but, must be backed up with extra mags and proficiency in dealing with malfunctions, as revolvers for most users are going to be more reliable.

IMO, it is all a matter of what you are more familiar and comfortable with in a given situation. Now I like semi-automatics for bullseye target competition, and am very comfortable with them in that setting. However, for years I shot revolvers in PPC (police pistol combat) leagues and am much more comfortable with them in would-be self defense setting. So, for carrying I prefer a revolver because I am comfortable and familiar with carrying and drawing one from a holster. But for my in-house defense guns, they are semi-automatic because I feel more comfortable with them in that situation where drawing from holster is not involved and I will be carrying it at a low-ready position. YMMV

I carry two. One on the hip and one in the pocket. That's 10 rounds of 38 plus p and speed loaders and strips.

Revolvers are for people who rarely miss, semi autos are for the ones less skilled and who require more shots. LOL

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

That's actually valid.

@29VK05

4 жыл бұрын

There are LEs that fire 20 rounds and miss with all of them! Training is the issue and a revolver in your pocket beats the high capacity pistol you left at home in any situation.

Never thought about the holster preventing the cylinder from turning. I enjoy shooting revolvers more than semis, so that's probably what I'll end up carrying.

The only advantage I can think of at the moment that a semi-auto has over a revolver is ammo capacity. A 9mm magazine can hold 3x the number of rounds that a j-frame revolver can hold.

@GunSam

4 жыл бұрын

It's like one of those thing. Like someone might compare a 4 door pickup truck to an economy car and say one can do so much more with this truck, then after awhile you discover you're by yourself and you also never use the truck bed. So, after awhile you realize you been carrying a gun twice the weight and you have never used it, then you read statistics and see that 3 rounds is the average for self defense. Then you reassess what the word "advantage" really means in your own life.

Heard it said from guys with much gunfight experience, if you want the best chance of coming out of a gunfight upright, your first gun had better be a powerful revolver.

@GunSam

4 жыл бұрын

While I don't know how true that is, I do know that the reliability and extreme accuracy do have an advantage. Most of my semi auto's will group 2" at 7 yards off hand, but they are nothing like my 4" 686. That revolver will put 6 rounds in one hole if I do my part, and I have several ballistic test video where I do just that with .38 Special or .357 ammo. That would have to translate to being more likely to hit where you aim in self defense.

6 that will go off or 17 that might? pretty easy for me to decide that one. :-)

I and an old buddy went to the range, some years back, I had my Glock (9mm) and he a 38mm S&W Air-Weight! I got a chance to shoot his S&W and found I was a better shot with it than my Glock, so, I bought an 38mm Air-weight for myself...after I sold my Glock, of course!