Why Can't Disabled Veterans Fly Space-A to Foreign Countries?

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100% P&T Disabled American Veterans are authorized to fly military space-a within CONUS, Hawaii, Alaska and US Territories. Some veterans and organizations are operating under the mistaken belief that they are also authorized to fly to and from foreign destinations. This video seeks to provide clarity and insight into what the regulation actually authorizes.
NOTE ON MILITARY ID
Just a follow up note on this video regarding military ID needed to fly space-a... A veteran who is 100% P&T rated can get a U.S. USID card (military ID card) at any Real-Time Automated Personnel Identification System site. RAPIDS offices are located on military bases, at National Guard armories and at reserve training locations. You will need to go onto your profile at va.gov and print your Benefit Summary and Service Verification Letter. The folks at the RAPIDS office will use that to verify your eligibility for your ID card. They will produce a card for you and eligible dependents. Make sure you take all appropriate documentation for all lawful dependents in need of an ID card.
Here is a link to the official and authoritative source.
DoDI 4515.13: www.esd.whs.mil/Portals/54/Do...
Please reference Page 46, Table 3. Section 47.
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  • @adambruno9608
    @adambruno96088 ай бұрын

    I am from California in the central valley. I have contacted my congressman and my senator and I have talk to their staff about seeing if we can resurrect this bill. I’m not sure what will happen. I’m just a lonely veteran trying to do his part, but this is a wonderful platform, and I think if all of us veterans contact are Congressmen or women and or senators from around the nation. Maybe they will see that we desperately need this to be fixed so I am challenging all veterans, call your representatives and senators and let’s try and get this passed

  • @CliffWagner

    @CliffWagner

    8 ай бұрын

    Thanks for your comment!

  • @proudasiangirl576

    @proudasiangirl576

    Ай бұрын

    I TOTALLY, 100% AGREE! By ourselves. we are INeffective and just a snowflake, but together, we are powerful like an avalanche! I often couldn't understand "why not". For example, my closest base is Travis in CA, which takes off to Hickam (CONUS), half way to Asia. If I am already eligible to get on that flight, and the flight continues on to say, Osan or Yakota, why can't I just stay on to the final destination? I have also wanted to reach out to my congressman as well, which I will. Laws are instituted by people but are not set in stone. It can definitely change. I remembered when 100% P&T were not allowed to bring their dependents. But thankfully that got changed. So it can happen. After all, folks like me who are 100% P&T have a lot of ailments. Who would want to travel alone, if you cannot bring your partner or family along?! This is a GREAT platform to collectively come together for this cause.

  • @Muy_chingon
    @Muy_chingon4 күн бұрын

    Im glad you posted this video im in the air force currently working under hickam amc alot of passengers don't know of the regulations we have to follow and this can help provide clarity as to why we occasionally have to deny a passengers travel very useful information 👍

  • @CliffWagner

    @CliffWagner

    4 күн бұрын

    Hey glad to be of help! Thank you for your comment and for supporting the channel! Awesome assignment that you have there!

  • @jayb.9079
    @jayb.90797 сағат бұрын

    Been wondering about the 100% and dependent travel. Some sites says yes and others veteran only. Your the first to confirm, at least on video, that dependents of t&p can travel👍

  • @harrychapin808
    @harrychapin8088 ай бұрын

    Hey Cliff... thanks 4 clarifying the military hop criteria for 100% T&P. I've been in the system 4 nearly 35 years and the VA is still playing "Run and catch up" game. "Don't have enough money for this, don't have enough money for that... but we'll get there." 😂 I received reports from VAOIG daily. If all the money that's stolen was recovered and vested back into the system... Veterans would be living like KINGS!! 😅 And though the VSOs have their place, they often discrimately choose how well they'll represent a Veteran. REMEMBER- the VSOs work under the same roof as the VA and are trained by them. SO, when the VA decides, "Yeah... we need to back off this particular case"...the VSO goes along ( Of course, this occurs behind closed doors). I represented myself for 100% T&P, and even more... later down the road. I can't begin to tell you how many letters I've written over the years. I realize this is a digression but it's important that a Veteran who's VLogging learns about others' experiences. Not only the abuses I experienced, but the abuses I've witnessed are unnerving. Now, itscone to the point that, if I don't like or agree with a doctor or aprn... I fire them on the spot. No yelling, no argument... just tell them, point blank, "You're fired." Then I walk to the front desk and ask for a new provider and reschedule. Sometimes, I dont even bother with the patient advocate. They're similar to the VSOs- pick and choose their battles. Just the way it is. I certainly empathize with younger Veterans trying to navigate the system. Many if them just give up. They really are ENTITLED to so much... and 95% have no idea. FRUSTRATION is "part" of the reason why the suicide rate among Veteran is so high.😢 Anyway... thanks 4 the 411 on the "Space- a" program.

  • @CliffWagner

    @CliffWagner

    8 ай бұрын

    Henry, thank you for stopping by my channel and for your comments and observations. I can certainly appreciate the challenge. You have experience with the VA. Hope you have an opportunity to take advantage of space a travel. Thanks again!

  • @tj3988

    @tj3988

    Ай бұрын

    Good luck with that.😂

  • @redpilloahu_808
    @redpilloahu_80811 ай бұрын

    It seems to me that if you give up your health while serving the nation, that you should be afforded the same perks as someone who served for 20 years. Many of us have had to sacrifice our future plans as a result of our service injuries. This is especially frustrating living in Hawaii, where a flight to Asia is about the same distance as a flight to California, and a flight to the East Coast of CONUS is considerably farther.

  • @CliffWagner

    @CliffWagner

    11 ай бұрын

    Thank you for stopping by and leaving your comment!

  • @proudasiangirl576

    @proudasiangirl576

    Ай бұрын

    Write to your Congressman/woman and press for change. I will. That's the ONLY way is when we all press for changes!

  • @spawntez
    @spawntezАй бұрын

    Hey everyone, once again, great video. I was a C-17 Loadmaster out of March ARB, Riverside, Ca. (retired 2019). If anyone has a question about the flying portion of the event, feel free to reach out to me. Talk to your terminal personnel, ask your aircrews questions. We are all in this together. READ, INVESTIGATE, & COMMUNICATE. ~ Sergio

  • @CliffWagner

    @CliffWagner

    Ай бұрын

    Question for you, I am upgrading the cameraware that I use and I should be gaining the ability to do remote interviews. Would you be willing to collaborate and be featured on a video discussing your unique experiences as a C-17 Loadmaster, March ARB and Space-A travel in general. If so, we can talk details. I think you would bring a great perspective on the subject and provide value to other veteran travelers. Let me know.

  • @bigmike1976
    @bigmike1976 Жыл бұрын

    Thank you Sir!

  • @CliffWagner

    @CliffWagner

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you for supporting the channel brother!

  • @spawntez
    @spawntezАй бұрын

    Great video, straight forward and to the point. For my retirees who are special cases, don't be shy. Share your thoughts and examples. Share the knowledge with my military brothers.

  • @CliffWagner

    @CliffWagner

    Ай бұрын

    Thanks again!

  • @ericdcbrown1980
    @ericdcbrown1980Ай бұрын

    We need to lobby Morgan Luttrell, our senators, etc, via Twitter, email etc to add OCONUS. My sons dream is to go to a Real Madrid game. Charleston to Rota would make that happen. This benefit matters so much for my wife and I retirement. Keep this issue on the radar!

  • @CliffWagner

    @CliffWagner

    Ай бұрын

    Thanks!

  • @johnphillips6286
    @johnphillips628620 сағат бұрын

    I know the feeling the Only Veterans Medical Clinic outside the US is in Manila, even if you’re 100% no medical services provided unless on FMP Foreign Medical Program which is not accepted here, by most hospitals or local physicians, they claim too long to get paid, thus we have to pay for all services surgeries etc out of pocket first then try to get reimbursed for our money back. And we have no FMP Representative here and there is 50,000 Veterans living on the many Islands in Philippines. Many letters and emails sent to Congressman, Senators, VA, and Veterans organizations who state no budget for Veterans living overseas except service connected injuries, but we cant get local facilities to accept Foreign Medical Program. Any have advice,?except leave your Philippine family and move back to US

  • @tedbates1316
    @tedbates131621 күн бұрын

    My interpretation is that a 100% disabled vet can fly OCONUS if they are retired. (Table 3, Page 43, Item 37). Conversely, if you’re 100% disabled, and NOT retired, you can’t fly OCONUS. (Table 3, Page 45, Item 47). Im a knuckle dragger so maybe I’m wrong?

  • @CliffWagner

    @CliffWagner

    21 күн бұрын

    You are correct. If you are retired, there is no point discussing disabled status. Your eligibility is based on your retired status that allows you greater geographic options.

  • @user-tv9de3wu4d
    @user-tv9de3wu4d6 ай бұрын

    I will never use space available. I don’t even like to go on a military facilities. I was wounded spent a year in the hospital when I was discharged, I was discharged with 10%. My 10% went up to 100% over the last 30 years. I’m only 100% disabled not medically retired although I was discharged medically. All my injuries are combat related.

  • @CliffWagner

    @CliffWagner

    6 ай бұрын

    Thanks for checking in.

  • @lizardkingwalking
    @lizardkingwalking5 ай бұрын

    IAW DoDI 4515.13, Table 3: If you look at the 72 hour and 30 schedules for Japan, from Sea-Tac there is always empty seats. Contact your congress people

  • @CliffWagner

    @CliffWagner

    5 ай бұрын

    From what I understand it is not an available seats issue, rather, it is an issue with the status of forces agreements with the host nations.

  • @lizardkingwalking

    @lizardkingwalking

    5 ай бұрын

    @@CliffWagner I understand that but retirees who probably did more damage than most of us can go...but not us?

  • @richardcaldwell5313
    @richardcaldwell5313 Жыл бұрын

    Good info. I'm a 100% p&t vet that lives in the Philippines with my wife and 2 year old son (wife is from here) and I could not find info on this. I heard about it but could not find info on it. Question, if I got to Guam could I use it to get stateside?

  • @CliffWagner

    @CliffWagner

    Жыл бұрын

    Yes - absolutely. And if they have military ID, your lawful dependents can fly with you.

  • @ThuyPham-lr5dc

    @ThuyPham-lr5dc

    5 ай бұрын

    You sure can…I’ve used Patriot Express from Andersen AFB to SeaTac….JUST DONT GET STUCK THERE IN GUAM…it’s no joke expensive trying to fly commercial to mainland US. 100 PT too😊

  • @jonathantrexel4299
    @jonathantrexel4299 Жыл бұрын

    I’m still missing WHY they can’t travel to foreign areas? I got that the reg says they can’t, but what’s behind that? What explains it?

  • @CliffWagner

    @CliffWagner

    Жыл бұрын

    Jonathan, the explanation is that Congress only approved disabled veterans to fly CONUS, HI, AK and US Territories. That is the answer.

  • @jonathantrexel4299

    @jonathantrexel4299

    Жыл бұрын

    @@CliffWagner Thanks, Cliff. I’m looking for their rationale why MilAir can accommodate them on some flights and not others. Congress drew a line there for 100% only; but why?

  • @CliffWagner

    @CliffWagner

    Жыл бұрын

    Jonathan, as outlined in the video Congressman Gus Bilirakis (R-Florida) was the author of HR 935 back in 2017. He is still in the House of Representatives. I will reach out to his office tomorrow and see if I can talk to his Legislative Director/Policy Director to discuss the issue. I will also see if Gus might be willing to do a remote video interview on the subject. Either way, I'll let you know what they have to say and if there are any updates.

  • @jonathantrexel4299

    @jonathantrexel4299

    Жыл бұрын

    @@CliffWagner Thanks! I’m particularly interested in this topic as I have friends who are 100% disabled, including a guy on our nonprofit’s board, and I travel with him some.

  • @raulhome

    @raulhome

    9 ай бұрын

    any updates on the matter? @@CliffWagner

  • @nickelsamuel9641
    @nickelsamuel96412 ай бұрын

    They need to revisit this bill

  • @CliffWagner

    @CliffWagner

    Ай бұрын

    I agree.

  • @proudasiangirl576

    @proudasiangirl576

    Ай бұрын

    WRITE TO YOUR CONGRESSMAN/WOMAN and request the change. Take the action!

  • @TdubEdub
    @TdubEdub2 ай бұрын

    Can a former member who is 100% disabled P&T but retired (6 years active and 14 years air guard) travel internationally?

  • @CliffWagner

    @CliffWagner

    2 ай бұрын

    Yes, sir, and I did answer this in more detail on the other post.

  • @mrsdesireerose
    @mrsdesireerose Жыл бұрын

    This is super unfortunate and seems incredibly unnecessary. Is there anything thay can be done to adjust tbis mandate?

  • @CliffWagner

    @CliffWagner

    Жыл бұрын

    It has been proposed in legislation in Congress, but has never gotten off the ground. I suspect that someday it will likely happen.

  • @rosc2022

    @rosc2022

    7 ай бұрын

    How about: "Holy crap, this is great! I'm glad they thought of us."?

  • @ses1161
    @ses1161 Жыл бұрын

    I llove the knife hand throughout the video

  • @CliffWagner

    @CliffWagner

    Жыл бұрын

    Glad you approve - thanks for supporting the channel! - Cliff

  • @FloresJonners
    @FloresJonners Жыл бұрын

    I was interested in taking my family of four to Hawaii, I live in San Antonio Texas, what steps do I need to take to make it happen? I’m 100% p&t veteran, thanks

  • @CliffWagner

    @CliffWagner

    Жыл бұрын

    Do you and your eligible dependents who require a U.S. USID (Military ID) have one? See next note...

  • @CliffWagner

    @CliffWagner

    Жыл бұрын

    A veteran who is 100% P&T rated can get a U.S. USID card (military ID card) at any Real-Time Automated Personnel Identification System site. RAPIDS offices are located on military bases, at National Guard armories and at reserve training locations. You will need to go onto your profile at va.gov and print your Benefit Summary and Service Verification Letter. The folks at the RAPIDS office will use that to verify your eligibility for your ID card. They will produce a card for you and eligible dependents. Make sure you take all appropriate documentation for all lawful dependents in need of an ID card. Get your ID situation squared away then watch the 4 videos I call "Space-A Boot Camp" they will help you get started planning your trip. Here is a link to the first video in the series: kzread.info/dash/bejne/paSEvMGAkazUiKQ.html

  • @FloresJonners

    @FloresJonners

    Жыл бұрын

    @@CliffWagner thank you very much

  • @FloresJonners

    @FloresJonners

    Жыл бұрын

    @@CliffWagner yes, my spouse and my 15 year old have one, but I was told by some private working at the id section that my 13 year old had to be age 14 to receive one, is that true?

  • @CliffWagner

    @CliffWagner

    Жыл бұрын

    @@FloresJonners That is my understanding, but if they are in the DEERS System, a passport, or other government ID should work. I would suggest that you call the passenger terminal at Guam and just confirm.

  • @sfmc98
    @sfmc985 ай бұрын

    Is there anywhere it clearly states that Veterans with TDIU but not P&T can get this benefit? Or just the ID card that allows you access to it?

  • @CliffWagner

    @CliffWagner

    5 ай бұрын

    Not sure if you might have already watched it, but this video identifies the specific section of DOD Instruction 4515.13 that spells out the 100% Permanent and Total requirement. kzread.info/dash/bejne/hmh62rmRmdmwhLw.html

  • @sfmc98

    @sfmc98

    5 ай бұрын

    @@CliffWagner Thanks for that. I was looking at the part of the order which just said "U.S. USID sponsor identification and privilege card for disabled American veterans with “100% DAV” in the affiliation block" but I guess I'm curious if those with TDIU (regular) have that card.

  • @mosesjones4229
    @mosesjones42299 ай бұрын

    If I’m in a foreign country ( Germany ), can I catch space A back into the US?

  • @CliffWagner

    @CliffWagner

    9 ай бұрын

    Are you a retired veteran?

  • @demetrius1191
    @demetrius11916 ай бұрын

    I'm 100 percent p&t but I'm also medically retired. Does a medical retirement have the same status as a 20 year retirement with Space A?

  • @CliffWagner

    @CliffWagner

    6 ай бұрын

    Short answer yes. For space a purposes, there is no difference between a medical retiree and a 20/30 year retiree. Retired is retired. I recommend that you NOT discuss your disabled rating because your geographic eligibility is greater as a retiree than as a disabled space a veteran. 100% P&T DAV are limited geographically to CONUS, HI, AK and US Territories, whereas retirees can fly ANYWHERE space a goes. If you bring up both, you will likely confuse passenger terminal personnel. Happy travels!

  • @demetrius1191

    @demetrius1191

    6 ай бұрын

    @@CliffWagner That's awesome! Thanks a lot for your time and help!

  • @MrRandyMarsh1

    @MrRandyMarsh1

    5 ай бұрын

    Yup. I’m retiring medically next month and they said I can fly space A with the 20 year retirees

  • @johnphillips6286
    @johnphillips628621 сағат бұрын

    What about from Foreign like Philippines I would love to be able to fly out of the Philippines m, and be most happy to pay from Guam or Hawaii back to Philippines.

  • @CliffWagner

    @CliffWagner

    20 сағат бұрын

    John, I do suspect that the increasing military cooperation between the Philippines and US governments is likely going to lead to the return of space-a flights into and out of the Philippines, but I have no idea if 100% Disabled veterans will ever be authorized foreign travel.

  • @johnnyjames8660
    @johnnyjames86606 ай бұрын

    Not totally true the confusion on this is that 100% disable and 100% retired disable. You are correct 100% disable personnel that is not retired can not fly overseas. But 100% retired disable veterans can fly with there qualified family. I called and asked about this very thing because of what I heard. That was told to me by there head at the term-Mack in Seattle. I hope this help people out.

  • @CliffWagner

    @CliffWagner

    6 ай бұрын

    Under the regulation, DOD instruction, 4515.13 all classes of eligible veterans, who are eligible to fly space a, are eligible to fly with their qualifying dependents under the regulation. Eligible dependents may only fly with the qualifying veteran, and are subject to the same geographic limitations of the veteran based on the qualifying veterans space a eligibility.

  • @Retiredtraveler1961
    @Retiredtraveler196111 күн бұрын

    I think you need to qualify that. Those who are 100% disabled AND retired CAN fly to foreign territories 😀

  • @CliffWagner

    @CliffWagner

    11 күн бұрын

    A retired service member is flying space-a based upon their eligibility as a retiree. It has nothing to do with their disability status. A veteran who is 100% P&T is flying based upon their eligibility which is established by way of their disability status. They are restricted from flying to foreign destinations, a retiree is not, but the eligibility is unrelated one to the other as they are separate categories.

  • @Retiredtraveler1961

    @Retiredtraveler1961

    10 күн бұрын

    @@CliffWagner I’m both that’s why I mentioned it.

  • @leewright1209
    @leewright12095 ай бұрын

    The reason why this isn't from me so don't get mad at me but if you are 100% disabled you should be receiving 100% disability pay traveling space A may or could be a discomfort for someone disabled and your pay should offset this so you should be able to fly a civilian flight that is set up for someone disabled remember these military planes or not setup to handle disabled people unless it's a medivac flight

  • @CliffWagner

    @CliffWagner

    5 ай бұрын

    Thanks for your input.

  • @Unknown_Random_Guy

    @Unknown_Random_Guy

    3 ай бұрын

    There are many diffrent types of disabilities, for many of them the discomfort of a cargo net seat would not be a problem.

  • @Darronsanderson
    @Darronsanderson3 ай бұрын

    Some of the Admind, in some of the Facebook Spa e A groups are total arse holes.

  • @CliffWagner

    @CliffWagner

    3 ай бұрын

    True enough, military groups on Facebook can be a little prickly.