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@HERETOHELPPEOPLE121

9 күн бұрын

Called the dial lmfao hahahaha 🤣😅🤣🤣

Lets not forget many irishmen fought and died in WW1, when those who survived and returned home brought back their seasoned veterancy and combat expertise

@MrLorenzovanmatterho

2 ай бұрын

And were murdered by the IRA!

@daveanderson3805

2 ай бұрын

Although an insurgency war is quite different to the butchery of the western front.

@MrLorenzovanmatterho

Ай бұрын

@@daveanderson3805 Much easier, more British soldiers died of disease and accidents in Ireland than were killed by the IRA

@jeremyfoster6942

Ай бұрын

the military uprising was utterly crushed , they were no seasoned veterans!,

@lydon1337

Ай бұрын

And even then.... the brits were also battlehardened veterans i assume. There were enough protestants in the pale amd beyond im sure

finally someone ignored the lawyers' advice not to comment on this event

Kind of missed the most important part. The leaders of the 1916 Rising were brutally and inhumanely executed in prison. That galvanized public opinion in Ireland to fully support a Republic and effectively ruined any chance the British Empire had of slipping the yoke of centuries of oppression back on.

@MrLorenzovanmatterho

2 ай бұрын

The leaders of the 1916 brutally murdered 400 innocent people and betrayed the free people of Europe to the German tyranny! WHAT oppression, come one WHAT OPPRESSION? It was all a lie but you knew that deep down, didn't you?

@sarpyasar5893

2 ай бұрын

@@MrLorenzovanmatterhoyes they did killed civilians but then the British had the great idea of shelling every building they saw in Dublin so the British killed just as much as civilians as the rising members and stop whining about the alliance with Germany any one would have done that

@freebeerfordworkers

Ай бұрын

@@sarpyasar5893 They mostly evacuated the city center first but one of the first to die was a man who tried to take his handcart out of a barricade The first policeman to die was an unarmed a Constable on the gate of Dublin Castle who refused to give them the keys and told them to F off. Next a group of cavalry who only had swords were escorting a military wagon along O'Connell Street and they were shot. In the afternoon a group of unarmed militia from Trinity College were walking along the quays after a day in the Dublin Mountains when they were shot.

@whitetroutchannel

Ай бұрын

​@@sarpyasar5893the people on the streets of dublin spat and jeered the 1916 rebels upon there arrest and marched to jail before death sentence was passed and the fact of them being killed swung the public mind had they been thrown in jail the story could have been different but the british always seem intent in supplying the irish with heroes

@invisibleray6987

Ай бұрын

They were traitors

A small anachronism is that Ulster is not Northern Ireland Ulster is 9 counties of the province, and Northern Ireland is 6 of those 9.

@frankharrington8528

Ай бұрын

Gerrymandering to guarantee a protestant unionist stateless.

@frankharrington8528

Ай бұрын

Statelet

@whitetroutchannel

Ай бұрын

@@frankharrington8528 the last place on earth where an irish catholic can be just that, the catholic nation for the catholics couldnt even enshrine the rights of irish citizens, unionists protected the gaelic language and stopped it being confined to history, your secterianism presents itself as ignorance

@damionkeeling3103

Ай бұрын

@@whitetroutchannel A hundred years after independence and Irish is spoken by less people today despite a larger population than back in 1922. As is typical, the middle and upper classes who barely spoke Irish wanted nothing to do with the language. They allowed some words to be used for flavour but otherwise sidelined the language.

@stuartkelly3106

Ай бұрын

People know this, but Ulster is the name used. Ulster is not a political entity and so can be used loosely.

SOME of Ulster stayed in the UK not all of it. The Unionists used to love saying "Ulster says No" when they objected to, well, everything but they aren't even all of Ulster, 3 counties are in the Republic.

@whitetroutchannel

Ай бұрын

did you sit up all night thinking of that comment

@ranica47

Ай бұрын

@@whitetroutchannel Now why on earth would you suggest that? I barely even remember writing this, primarily because it didn't take much thinking to do so. Simple facts my friend don't take time to put down in words. Also simple mathematics: 6 is less than 9.

@geordiewishart1683

18 күн бұрын

But six counties are FEWER. Fud

What’s interesting is that you can see KZread videos of leading ira veterans made in the 1960s speaking about these events and the civil war. That’s like hearing directly from Sam Adams or Thomas Paine

@jamesmarshall6619

2 ай бұрын

I saw a few of those and one of those guys seems like the sweetest old man and then you learn he was a stone cold killer. Was fascinating.

@freebeerfordworkers

Ай бұрын

Old men particularly soldiers have very selective memories it's the way they blank out some of the things they've done. this goes for most soldiers not just IRA. as always in these cases there's an awful lot of BS

@ianmedford4855

Ай бұрын

I imagine they're so glad that they fought so hard for their descendants to hand Ireland over to North Africa...🤔

@ImSorryFive

Ай бұрын

@@ianmedford4855 Obvious Brit detected.

@ianmedford4855

Ай бұрын

@@ImSorryFive nope. American. But i can see what's happening. The current "Irish Nationalists" arent worthy of carrying their fathers Armalites.

I am from Macroom in County Cork. Macroom was the centre of the fighting in the Irish war of Independance. Michael Collins was shot nearby as well as the Kilmichael ambush. It can be surprising sometimes of people from up the country and abroad come and visit these historical sites

@garethrice6195

18 сағат бұрын

Why is it surprising??. I go to Béal na bláth, Kilmichael, Clonmult, and Ballyseedy at least once a year.

Just a small note, the Dáil is pronounced as though you were saying Dall, not dail. Pedantic whinge over, that was a great video as always.

@dik943

2 ай бұрын

It's not even a real language anyways

@VikingBrave

2 ай бұрын

@@dik943 What do you mean by that?

@echophantom8511

2 ай бұрын

​@@dik943 it is and its older than english

@myparceltape1169

2 ай бұрын

I usually hear it as Doyle.

@dundalkbullzboy

2 ай бұрын

I would have said dawl, almost like dawn but swapped the N for L.

The Home Rule bill (far short of independence) was passed; signed and immediately shelved by the British in 1912. The cunning trick by the British was giving the Unionists an absolute veto over it. Which killed it completely. Everybody knew the Unionists would never agree to any form of home rule. They even opposed more local government power which they vetoed and then torpedoed in 1906. This deliberate policy destroyed the constitutional route because the Irish knew that no matter how often they voted for home rule/independence parties nothing would ever happen. The Unionists who were less than 20% of the total population would simply veto every proposal. After all, the Unionists were the British settler ruling class in Ireland and they knew it. And nothing short of war would change it. Thus knowing war was the only route, Sinn Fein/IRA had a dual strategy. One was fighting a guerrilla war. The other was taking over every local government body in the 26 counties by winning all elections from 1918. They then set up their own police force and court system. This hollowed out British occupation so that they had no effective control except in the largest cities. By keeping the IRA in being and successfully striking British patrols they forced the British on the back foot. Victory in this situation is not losing militarily against an enemy 10xs your size. By raising the cost for the British so an unacceptable level for them. And keeping your forces in the field. Every successful guerilla campaign in the 20th century followed the same strategy. The Americans prevented the British from the usual policy of large scale massacres (like Amritsar and hundreds of others) in order not to have an issue with the Irish American vote in the US. So the British could only carry out local small scale massacres and acts of terrorism. They simply could not get the kill rate of innocent victims to a high enough level to break the population. But the British wanted to and indeed their burning of Cork city is one example of them testing out of a large scale terror campaign for media reaction. However given the global media reaction to that particular terrorist operation, burning down other large Irish cities was then deemed to be a high risk strategy. Instead they decided that burning towns and villages and massacring 3-5 civilians per operation was ok. Which was how the British fought the war. All along, the primary objective of the British was to prevent home rule whilst avoiding direct responsibility for failing to implement it. Remember the government was controlled by the Conservatives who were the largest party in the coalition from 1916. And they were dedicated imperialists. The Liberals who were nominally pro home rule were split in half at this point; a small minority in government after 1918 and a few years from being completely wiped out as a political force. By giving out the Unionist veto this made the Unionists the fall guys. Which the Unionists were perfectly happy happy to be. And of course, this allowed the British to pretend to be neutral to international observers. Its an old trick but it didn't work in this situation. So plan B was to partition the country and offer limited independence to the 26 counties.

@MarkHarrison733

Ай бұрын

Home Rule broke up the UK, as devolution did. The only massacres were by the IRA.

@rannenw6207

Ай бұрын

​@MarkHarrison733 That isn't true, and you know it. History is muddled in the Grey. That is like saying the Union or Confederates didn't raid or burn town in the US Civil War they both most certainly did.

@MarkHarrison733

Ай бұрын

@@rannenw6207 The only atrocities were by the IRA.

My great grandad was a column member, but he rarely ever told my father about the war because he had severe ptsd

Interesting once again. Thank you

Another excellent doc Great War team!

Epic video, epic last subtitle too 👍🏻

Timely video thanks Great War!

Greatly enjoyed this. Very informative and I think impartial.

Great video overall, but it’s “RIC”, not “IRC” for the royal irish constabulary

@theMosen

Ай бұрын

And the Dáil is pronounced "doil", not "dial"

Just to say; its pronounced "Dawl" not Dial.

cool stuff! You guys are one of my favorite channels. It's so rad that you've dedicated this content specifically to ww1. Theres so much cool lore and could easilly spend entire lifetime studying this era. And the funny part is that almost every modern geo political situation can be traced back to ww1 in some way.. Anyways keep vibin and keep posting!

I love this channel!

Informative video. Thank you.

The British were not prepared to go full SS on the Irish. The Irish weren't going to stop. The amount of force required was incommensurate with morality.

@Roundhay2718

Ай бұрын

That never bothered the British before

@poil8351

Ай бұрын

They sort of did on a small scale. Of course the usa probably played a role given they irish were getting alot of support from America. And the british were not really all that willing to risk canada over ireland.

@scottmccrea1873

Ай бұрын

@@poil8351 The British did some nasty stuff, not denying that at all. But they didn't round up hundreds of thousands of Irish civilians. Or murder tens of thousands of them. The British could have absolutely won the war. But the price was simply not worth it. Even Churchill, always ready for a fight, understood this.

@poil8351

Ай бұрын

@scottmccrea1873 well the blacks and tans were sort of like the germans in crete on much smaller scale. And the auxiliaries. Certain units were virtual death squads a bit like 1970s/80s dirty wars south america. The irish were pretty bad also murdering poltical oppents and suspected collaboraterd and at times just people they had grudges with. Of course the fact that Britain had just finished a nasty war and had a number of other colonial wars to deal with and also the pesky Bolsheviks meant that they were unwilling to spare the manpower to fight an nasty unpopular war on their own doorstep. Also the threat of similar uprisings in Scotland and wales was likely at the back of the establishments mind especially with the whole communism thingy going on.

@RayshiaRoman

Ай бұрын

The difference is that the Irish can actually fight back now. The Brits can't just starve them again by the 1920s :v

Outstanding documentary, thank you so much for posting! One small note if I may, the correct pronunciation of the Irish word Dáil is more along the lines of the word 'oil' with a 'd' preceding it.

Whoa, at about 10 seconds in...are those troops running the lewis gun manually as fast as possible?

Very interesting 👏 👏 👏

Incredible History Amazing Presentation Wonderful Details and some Proper Semantics Feel’s so Tact

Decent video, well done, surely this is the handbook called "independence 101" for future rebel causes.

Thanks!

Very interesting.

Because to win such a war you have to do so much damage that you may as well not have bothered.

@tedhodge4830

2 ай бұрын

Well, and they also got to keep Northern Ireland....

@EllieMaes-Grandad

2 ай бұрын

@@tedhodge4830 Local people got to decide . . .

@nicholasevangelos5443

2 ай бұрын

This didn't deter other escalations of colonial counterinsurgency actions into total war, mass torture, scorched earth, concentration camps and indiscriminate massacres of civilians, such as by the French in Algeria (repeatedly going back to the 1830s) and the French and then Americans in Indochina, to take just the two most prominent examples of the decolonization wars. It's not making a difference in Gaza right now that they are doing "so much damage" that nothing will be left but depopulated rubble. What stops counterinsurgency campaigns by militarily superior powers is the costs to the colonial powers themselves, assuming their home populations are unwilling to bear these costs. At that time, after WWI, London saw that there was a limit to what the British people (and the political opponents of keeping all Ireland at all costs) would continue to bear. In the US, the acceptable costs have been much lower since Vietnam, which is why the actions in Iraq and Afghanistan have ended despite the move to volunteer armies and drone and other remote warfare.

@freebeerfordworkers

2 ай бұрын

@@nicholasevangelos5443 It's also overlooked particularly by this guy in his several videos on Ireland of the period that the Home Rule Act passed into law in 1914. The work of setting up a separate Irish executive for internal self government had been going on for 10 years and was pretty much complete. Sinn Fein could have negotiated from that point but individuals on their own initiative set out to kill policemen and completely changed the political scene. Britain had already accepted Irish internal self-government the only real question was selling it to Ulster which was unenthusiastic to say the least in 1914. The violent minority that set out to purge Ireland of everything British including if possible the English language completely alienated them. For Britain to have "won" the War of Independence would have been to put the political clock back 40 years.

@myparceltape1169

2 ай бұрын

@@freebeerfordworkers The Ireland Alone people still want to turn Ulster into a bog. Like Conemaragh.

"They said i was ruthless, daring, savage, bloodthirsty, even hearless. The clergy called us murderers. But the british were met with their own weapons. They went into the mire to destroy the Irish and our nation, and down after them we had to go." -Tom Barry

I've yet to talk to anyone from Ireland that doesn't think Éamon de Valera was a traitor who had Michael Collins killed.

@MarkHarrison733

Ай бұрын

Collins was the traitor.

@Creaner1

Ай бұрын

And here you have the dichotomy of Ireland. The divide in perspectives that caused the civil war. You were either pro treaty (Pro Collins) like me or Anti Treaty(Pro Dev) like the above commenter. These divisions still exist today although they are usually civilised disagreements now then out right war. Thankfully

@stephendeane7509

Ай бұрын

De Valera was completely irrelevant by the time Collins was killed. He had no control at all over the IRA at the time so he 100% did not have Collins killed.

@callu947

Ай бұрын

@@MarkHarrison733west Brit

@panoramicLight

Ай бұрын

What an idiotic thing to say. ​@@MarkHarrison733

I actually wanna ask, since you guys made a video on the Battle of Verdun about 2 months ago, will we be seeing one on the Somme anytime soon?

@TheGreatWar

2 ай бұрын

yes

@godlovesyou1995

2 ай бұрын

@@TheGreatWar hooray!

@sonderson8389

2 ай бұрын

@@TheGreatWarwonderful

This was a great video and very informative. I just wanted to add a few extra details for anybody interested: The IRA conducted a very sophisticated offensive against British authorities during the War of Independence, so much so that Michael Collins is widely seen as being the founder of modern guerrilla warfare tactics. As a result, there have been numerous studies on the guerrilla warfare tactics that were used during this war. Besides ambushes, the IRA conducted countless raids on RIC barracks that were dotted throughout the country. This supplied the IRA with badly needed guns and munitions for their cause. As ammunition was a problem for the IRA, they disrupted the British authorities in many ways. This saw numerous bridges blown up, train robberies, communication lines cut, roads blocked, the interception of mail and much more. A very effective tactic used by the IRA and regular people was to boycott the RIC and anyone associated with them. Some shops and pubs wouldn’t serve RIC constables drink and other goods, and the locals would not speak to them. This would have hurt the RIC constables a lot. Also, many of the RIC constables resented the black and tans, and there are accounts of constables quitting the force after seeing atrocities and other actions committed by the black and tans. And lastly, you say that the Irish negotiating team ‘thought’ that they had the authority to sign a treaty on behalf of the Dail. I feel as though its important to acknowledge that they knew they had the authority. The negotiating team had plenipotentiary status, so they knew they could sign matters on behalf of the Dail and Irish Republic. However, despite this status, they were given strict orders in the Dail before the meetings to not sign anything under any circumstances before consulting the Dail. Upon signing the treaty, Michael Collins remarked ‘today, I have signed my own death warrant’, which illustrates how contentious the treaty/decision to sign was. Overall, I highly enjoyed this video and it provided excellent coverage of this history.

@freebeerfordworkers

Ай бұрын

"A very effective tactic used by the IRA and regular people was to boycott the RIC and anyone associated with them etc. It was effective because if you didn't observe it the IRA would kill you - end of the story. The railways boycotted the movement of the military with the support of their unions. They might have been influenced by the fact that three IRA went into the head office in Dublin and literally blew the chairman's head off. If you want to read what was going on in Ireland I recommend Police Casualties in Ireland 1919-1922 by Richard Abbott. When the British raided the IRA offices they found that many of the cash donors were well off Protestant farmers and I don't think they were doing it out of sympathy. It was that or have their farms burned down.

@freebeerfordworkers

Ай бұрын

I did post a long reply but they deleted it. The boycott was effective because the IRA murdered anyone who didn't observe it

Thank you.

A democracy cannot fight sedetion or rebellion without compromising its morality.

@Fetherko

Ай бұрын

We defeated the Confederacy. 🇺🇸

@bdleo300

Ай бұрын

British "morality" lol

The single best history video series on KZread (or anywhere for that matter)

15:27 that guy going gun to gun staring down the business end of each??? Omega brain

@joaosaran4440

Ай бұрын

his brain was so big he was desperately trying to find a way to make it a little bit smaller

@damionkeeling3103

Ай бұрын

Standard military practice of the time to inspect for clean barrels. Note that the bolts are all in the open position so the weapons can't be fired.

Hey, happy 10 years! One of the best channels around. Looking forward to the next 10!

It was on a dreary New Years Eve as the shade of night fell down...

History may not repeat, but it sure does rhyme.

“No policeman will ever be prosecuted for shooting a man ,” sounds like the best definition of qualified immunity for law enforcement 😢

@MrLorenzovanmatterho

2 ай бұрын

And a complete lie. George Smyth was a true Irish hero, just check out his Wiki

@sgtcwhatley

2 ай бұрын

Qualified immunity has nothing to do with criminal charges.

@freebeerfordworkers

Ай бұрын

I think it's half of what he said. The second half was - if he has his hands in his pockets and refuses to put them up when ordered.

@MrLorenzovanmatterho

Ай бұрын

@@freebeerfordworkers Gerald Smyth, a true Irish hero never said any such thing, complete IRA propaganda

Brilliant video. One correction though. The dail is generally pronounced "daul"

Can you gentleman please do a in depth video on World War One in Africa? Thank you.

38% of Ulster is in the Republic of Ireland. Don't know why he says Ulster remained in the UK.

@MarkHarrison733

Ай бұрын

Ireland reunited with the UK on 1 January 1973.

@darrendelaney9955

Ай бұрын

@@MarkHarrison733 Hahaha ah no it didn't 😂😉👍

@MarkHarrison733

Ай бұрын

@@darrendelaney9955 It clearly did.

@darrendelaney9955

12 сағат бұрын

@@MarkHarrison733 by joining the European Union???

Hard to fight a war when the enemi is within.

I'm just asking, but is there any chance you could do something on Northern ireland or the Unionist movement across ireland because most don't know much about which leads to not understanding why they actually opposed home rule and why they resorted to militarism by 1913.

“Foreign and unjust” COULD have been elaborated on JUST A BIT. ;)

By 1916 many Irish had become accustomed to being part of the UK, despite wishing otherwise. The Irish Uprising was brave but brutally crushed. The British made the fatefully inhumane decision to execute participants in the uprising, swiftly and brutally, and in order to heighten intimidation the press were allowed to publicize those fated to execution. When the Irish public saw the beautiful faces and read the impressive biographies of their doomed brethren, and when the public saw British brutality against such people, the Irish public awoke, awoke from many years of abuse and repression. Once the Irish people turned against the British, there was no stopping them. After centuries of foreign domination, Irish independence was born (albeit in stages).

@MarkHarrison733

Ай бұрын

That myth has been debunked.

@joshuaconnelly2415

Ай бұрын

@@MarkHarrison733, myth? Your face has been debunked.

Black & Tans have an interesting history which could be made into a series, bandits and thugs turned into paramilitaries. That could sing.

@myparceltape1169

2 ай бұрын

From soldiers conscripted into the trenches to being in the position where you could see your soldiering.

@freebeerfordworkers

2 ай бұрын

That they were criminals is one of the most enduring lies told in Ireland they were war veterans and they were playing by Western front rules. To quote a veteran who was never in Ireland if the Germans did something dirty on us we did it back to them we didn't worry about international law. As everyone knew who the IRA were they didn't worry about legal principles they went round and shot them. This came as a terrible shock to the IRA who had killed 200 mostly Irish police in the preceding year with no comebacks whatever. To quote one of the most notorious IRA men, anyone helping the authorities would not be serving their family's interests. The Black and Tans didn't have that problem.

@garethrice6195

17 сағат бұрын

​@@freebeerfordworkerscorrect they were not prisoners as was our propaganda at the time. Prisoners would of behaved better. The Auxiliaries were even worse. I do always wonder how many of them came back from the war with shell shock and P.T.S.D. but were put back into service over here.

@freebeerfordworkers

17 сағат бұрын

@@garethrice6195The first time the IRA encountered the auxiliaries was on bloody Sunday. Two of them Morris and Garness were taken into a back garden and shot. Their bodies were not found for several hours and when they were the report in London public record office said, the manner of their death has made a very deep impression on the force. It had, notoriously they killed two IRA prisoners in Dublin Castle. Forget PTSD war veterans don't take that kind of **** from anyone freedom fighters or otherwise. Of course Morris and Garnes were executed but the two IRA in Dublin Castle were murdered. The trouble is the auxiliaries didn't understand that.

Please do one video on the Eastern Front of the Turkish War of Independence. Its very less covered.

Great video! But the term for the English police in Ireland was RIC, not IRC

The IRA was not named that until after they ambushed the policeman. The ambush was done without he permission of the new Irish government and ended it's hopes there'd be a peaceful end to British rule. After that, they gave the armed group the offical name Irish Republican Army.

@freebeerfordworkers

2 ай бұрын

Exactly true the politicians in Dublin wanted nothing to do with the IRA at the start. As W B Yeats said from Sinn Fein's press releases in the first year you would have thought the RIC were shooting each other.

@ellmag6028

2 ай бұрын

Interesting. The soloheadbeg ambush and the establishment of the dail took place on the same day (not planned, just coincidence I believe). I was led to believe that following the establishment of the Dail, the IRB became recognised as the official army of the dail, the Irish Republican Army

@brownsey1

Ай бұрын

​@@ellmag6028The IRB was a separate organisation with a separate leadership structure. You could be a member of the IRB and IRA, but they were different groups. The IRA essentially emerged from the preexisting Irish Volunteer movement, which had rapidly recruited new members between 1917-18.

@ellmag6028

Ай бұрын

@@brownsey1 yes you are absolutely right. I just got the IRB and Irish Volunteers mixed up there! I meant to say the Irish Volunteers became the official army of the dail, being then known as the IRA. Excuse the mistake, Its hard to keep track of all the different organisations🤣

Where did you get the information that the people of Cork were compensated for the burning? I can't find any such info.

@freebeerfordworkers

2 ай бұрын

In just about every history book it quotes £3 million. I've researched the damage done and on calculated real estate values at the time the actual damage was less than £500,000. The British authorities paid compensation for IRA attacks and there was a bit of profiteering going on. A farmer who claimed for hay burned by the IRA was believed to have sold it and a postman who claimed his cart had been burned had burnt it himself because he wanted a new one.

@gloverfox9135

2 ай бұрын

He said it came to him in a dream

@garethrice6195

18 сағат бұрын

Yes they did receive compensation from our own side. The likes of Cmdt Dennis Barry ( head of Irish Republican Police in Cork ) were involved in people receiving compensation.

lol you left off the "reptile" part of the signoff tag.

@nicholasevangelos5443

2 ай бұрын

Perhaps because they mean it seriously? Mwa ha ha ha!

There’s a great song about this war called “the British soldier” by harvey andrews. Surprisingly melancholy.

A key piece of information as to the motivations of the general Irish population before the war is that most Irish (especially in Dublin) were not looking to split from English rule. The People in Dublin were angry at the rebels for the damage that was caused to their city during the rising. It was only after Gen.Maxwell ordered the executions of the rebels and created martyrs, that then caused the Irish people to turn on the British rule.

@MrBagpipes

2 ай бұрын

Prior to 1916 a huge majority of Irish people voted for those who espoused freedom from English rule.

@kevinkane2843

2 ай бұрын

@@MrBagpipes I had always believed that those party's objectives were to have a devolved government but still be attached to the crown. I'm going on what I remember from college 15years ago so I'm definitely rusty. Always remember being taught that the Easter rising captives were heckled by the locals for all the damage from the gun boat.

@cobbler9113

2 ай бұрын

@@MrBagpipes The Irish Party wanted Ireland to be able to govern itself, but remain in the British Empire. Their support among the people evaporated because of their pro-war stance during WW1, especially after the Easter Rising when Nationalist opinion shifted from autonomy to republicanism and total independence.

@patrickheath5011

2 ай бұрын

Source?

@ipfreely679

2 ай бұрын

​@@patrickheath5011source- nearly every history book written about it, I learned it school

You summed it up quite well when you explained that the Irish lost militarily but won politically while it was vice versa for the british

@nicholasevangelos5443

2 ай бұрын

This is often the outcome with counterinsurgency warfare. US military historians are still complaining about how the Americans "won" the Tet Offensive. The Vietnamese command itself was appalled at the costs they had paid militarily. But the main aim, to win politically, was achieved: US public opinion turned against American boots on the ground (though Nixon kept the war going for another five years before completing "Vietnamization," by ending the draft and escalating the bombing).

@MrLorenzovanmatterho

2 ай бұрын

No, Britain won politically and militarily, Britain won, we had everything we wanted.

@freebeerfordworkers

2 ай бұрын

Britain had already passed into law an act allowing for Irish self-government. All the campaign did was alienate Ulster and make it politically impossible for Britain to coerce her into accepting a Dublin government.

@markpower9081

2 ай бұрын

@@freebeerfordworkers The British Army decided in 1914 that it wouldn't enforce the sovereign parliament's laws in relation to any Ulster rebellion.

@markpower9081

2 ай бұрын

@@MrLorenzovanmatterho A country leaving the Empire is not what Britain wanted. The British Army leaving Ireland was noticed all over the Empire.

"Look out for One Shot paddy and his friend named Eamon Wright!

the dial

The similarity with our nowadays Middle-East issues is striking... Thanks to you Jesse and crew, I know much more about the exciting history of the relationship between Irish and British. Keep up the great work!

@noodlyappendage6729

Ай бұрын

There is no similarity with the Middle East.

@rabihrac

Ай бұрын

@@noodlyappendage6729 Oh yes there are, especially in Lebanon. I mean the religious affiliations concerning politics and sectarian violence. Moreover, one sect, the Protestants, was backed by the mighty neighbor UK. In parallel, some Muslim sects were backed in Lebanon by the mighty neighbor Syria, during the Lebanese Civil War between 1975 and 1990

@aheat3036

Ай бұрын

@@noodlyappendage6729The Balfour Declaration started the mess in the Middle East and now Israel has its own version of apartheid just like South Africa did.

@darnellbiggumsthe9th658

Ай бұрын

@@rabihraci’m from the north of ireland and please don’t mistake our conflict as a religious one because it isn’t, irish nationalists/republicans primarily happen to be catholics although there’s been plenty of protestant irish republicans such as wolfetone, ronnie bunting (he established the Irish National Liberation Army) and i’m sure there’s been catholic unionists/loyalists, our fight is a a war of national identity i.e ethnic irish vs ethnic british the same way it is with the palestinians

Is anyone against a people that want to be free from an outside government?

@seanmccann8368

2 ай бұрын

The outside government!

@WeeWeeJumbo

2 ай бұрын

@@seanmccann8368THAT PART.

@thostaylor

2 ай бұрын

It depends what they do. Few people supported The Angry Brigade or the Red Brigade or have much time for American militia groups or the Davidians. This wasn't Passport to Pilmico. Besides, Home Rule was already on the table, the only question was what to do about the North who did not want it.

@MrLorenzovanmatterho

2 ай бұрын

What outside government was that? We Irish were no different from anyone else, Nationalists just wanted a Catholic tyranny, that's all.

@freebeerfordworkers

2 ай бұрын

@@thostaylor Absolutely correct and youtube Armistice Day Dublin 1925 you will see the people were nothing like as anti British as we're told.

The line on the map that made the North of Ireland served a perverse purpose....it guaranteed a protestant (unionist) majority north of the border and a catholic majority in the South.

can you please do a video on the first world war's last veterans?

Proud to say that both sides of my family were heavily involved during this entire period and later.

@myparceltape1169

2 ай бұрын

Then they probably were better than the provos. An old Irish man looked at the daily news about the country he had fought to make. He lifted his head from the pillow and shook his head. "That's noe army, that's just a bunch o' thugs."

@padraigpearse1551

2 ай бұрын

@@myparceltape1169 provos too. My family has been involved since at least the IRB in the 1890s and up to the Provos in 1980s

@dan-860

Ай бұрын

So proud you seem to mention it in every comment section. Pride or attention seeking?

3:15 ears

@weeeeehhhhh

Ай бұрын

Man's head looks like the Webb Ellis Cup

Just watching this ❤❤❤💚💚💚🕊️🕊️😇🕊️🕊️🤔😇🕊️💚

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@ViciousWayz

Ай бұрын

Trinidad 🇹🇹 💪🏾

Victory for the British was impossible without literally burning the country to the ground. Such was the levels of support for independence by this time. People who worked for the British state were ostracised in their communities to the point that they were not even able to shop in local grocery stores anymore. Without this gargantuan level of support from the ordinary Irish person on the street, the war of independence would not have succeeded.

@MarkHarrison733

Ай бұрын

The vast majority of people wanted to remain in the UK.

@Xerrand

Ай бұрын

​@@MarkHarrison733Lmao, see 1918 general election results in Ireland to see how wrong you are. I do enjoy when people make silly troll statements out of the blue though, so thank you.

@MarkHarrison733

Ай бұрын

@@Xerrand There was no GE in 1919.

@MarkHarrison733

Ай бұрын

@@Xerrand If you are referring to the GE of 1918, it was won by the Conservatives.

@Xerrand

Ай бұрын

@@MarkHarrison733 I clearly was referring to 1918, and the result in Ireland.

I'm supprised the conflict had so little bloodshed and it took so long to escalate into reprisals. Seems like all of it could have been avoided through diplomacy though.

Thanks for the video🇮🇪

Never been this early XD

Long live the brave Irish people 🔥🫡💪

Over a century has passed, and despite all of the bloodshed, lives lost and insufferable complications, the very simple question remains: Was the partition of Ireland legitimate, or not?

@garethrice6195

17 сағат бұрын

No, in the Election in December 1918 Sinn Féin ( not the party with same name today ) won 70 seats out of 105 possible. They won on a mandate of complete independence from Britain. This mandate was ignored. I try to think of anything like it today. The best example I can give is Edinburgh in the brexit vote polled over 74% to remain ( just using Brexit as an example ) while the majority voted for Brexit, less majority then voted for independence in 1918. It would be like Edinburgh saying we don't agree with the rest of Britain so we will set up our own state.

Dáil is pronounced dawl lmao 1:40

does this count as study for my history exams?

@freebeerfordworkers

Ай бұрын

No because it's fundamentally flawed the implication is that the British wanted to win to impose their government. For in fact they'd an act of Parliament granting Ireland self government in 1914 so they were legally bound to give Ireland an independent parliament but the gunman took over. I suggest The making of Ireland by Professor James Lydon an Irishman and a Catholic

@bobsemple9341

16 күн бұрын

This is pure cope ​@@freebeerfordworkers

Occasional viewer, i thought the channel would stop uploading after 1923/2023?

Our parliament the Dail is pronounced "Doyle".

Because fighting a guerrilla war is VERY different from fighting a conventional one. Also Britain was probably just tired after WW1 in general

@MrLorenzovanmatterho

2 ай бұрын

No, Britain won, the IRA were defeated

Erin go Bragh!!

@Colonel_Blimp

2 ай бұрын

Interesting that woke utube can’t (or won’t) translate Gaelic.

@nicholasevangelos5443

2 ай бұрын

@@Colonel_Blimp I noticed that, but somehow I don't think it's because it's "woke."

@Colonel_Blimp

2 ай бұрын

@@nicholasevangelos5443 well maybe not but it can translate all kinds of stuff including Latin and Ancient Greek script.

@ranica47

2 ай бұрын

​@@Colonel_BlimpBtw we call it Irish not Gaelic, nobody, literally nobody in Ireland calls it Gaelic. Gaelic is an adjective used for culture, sport for example but is not what the language is called.

@Colonel_Blimp

2 ай бұрын

@@ranica47 thank you.

As taboo as it is, I'm interested in the black and tans because it was made of up of WW1 vets. Back then, taking veterans and mobilizing them without any deprogramming we do with our service members today, is what I believe, as a veteran myself, why they caused so much violence. Their combat triggered PTSD would cause them to lose control and cause such heinous reprisals. I wonder if theres a book on this very topic

@freebeerfordworkers

Ай бұрын

I'm afraid there is more to it than that which the Irish don't care to talk about. Groups of young men usually 19 or 20 year olds got together and called themselves the Bally something IRA and went out and killed policemen. The first and prime killer was one Dan Breen and you can look him up on the Internet he had no authority from anyone he wanted to start a war and he killed them for that reason only. Up to late 1920 almost 200 men had been killed mostly Irish police and the British had done nothing. They then recruited the Black and Tans and when they encountered the first two the IRA did what they had been doing for a year, put them against a wall and shot them. When their bodies were found their comrades did the same to two IRA prisoners because veterans don't take Sh1+t like that from anyone. The IRA were never a secret army everyone knew who they were and thought depriving them of the protection of British law was most unfair.

@freebeerfordworkers

Ай бұрын

P T S D nothing they were war veterans and they were playing by Western front rules. To quote a veteran who was never in Ireland if the Germans did something dirty on us we did it back to them we didn't worry about international law. As everyone knew who the IRA were they didn't worry about legal principles they went round and shot them. This came as a terrible shock to the IRA who had killed 200 mostly Irish police in the preceding year with no comebacks whatever. To quote one of the most notorious IRA men, anyone helping the authorities would not be serving their family's interests. The Black and Tans didn't have that problem. It's one of the most remarkably successful pieces of political marketing that they are portrayed as criminals and gangsters which is only true if veteran soldiers who have learned to kill without compunction are criminals and gangsters. One of the most notorious incidents was when they came to the small town of Balbriggan killed two leading IRA men and set fire to a row of houses. That is the republican story. But they don't tell you is that an Irish policeman who had been instructing the Black and Tans was having a drink with his brother in the local pub. When an IRA man found out he got his revolver went into the pub and shot him in the face with an exploding bullet, wounding his brother. When the tans who knew him found out they came to town for revenge just as they would have done on the Western Front. They weren't playing by Irish Patriot Freedom fighter rules they were playing by a far harder set. As the footnote in the same street 6 months earlier the IRA had shot an unarmed local police sergeant in the back while the people cheered "that's the stuff to give them". On that occasion neither the police or authorities had taken any action whatsoever. It's remarkable that Patriots are allowed to shoot a policeman in the face for political reasons but a soldiers kills someone for killing his friend and it's inexcusable.

Its not the dial...its the Dáil...pronounced dawl!

Its the RIC not IRC, 🤣🤣

@TheDanieldineen

2 ай бұрын

I can't stop hearing it now! 🤣🤣🤣

Erin Go Bragh

The British government’s own top civil servants advised the government in 1918 that dominion status would be required in Ireland which was the eventual outcome

Britain withdrew because it was impossible to 'win' this conflict. It wasn't so much a war as a Taliban-like guerrilla insurgency which went on for years and divided the island almost household by household (between Catholics and Protestants). Exhausted by WWI, the British eventually cut their losses and opted for negotiation, partition, and settlement. This became a strategy for other impossible-to-win stalemates as Britain withdrew from territories it administered over the next fifty years.

Where did the IRA get its weapons and money. It sounded that they had their own taxes in the countryside; was that enough money.

@barryb90

2 ай бұрын

United States. Germany during the 1916 Rising (Irish Citizen Army and Irish Republican Brotherhood).

@danreed7889

2 ай бұрын

@@barryb90 thanks, insurgencies always to have a outside source to be successful.

@cobbler9113

2 ай бұрын

Some of their weapons were left over from German gun running and smuggling prior to and during WW1 I believe. They were also able to capture a lot of British weapons and ammunition on their raids of military and police barracks. However, as explained in the video, this was not a sustainable solution.

@willempasterkamp862

2 ай бұрын

@@cobbler9113 they sold illegal spirituals in the US to make money

@Celtic2Realms

2 ай бұрын

They purchased weapons in Italy in 1919 to 1921 and smuggled them into Ireland in cargo ships

Ulster and Northern Ireland are not the same thing. I think when you use it at the start its ok because the NI border had not been draw but its not accurate to say Ulster is in the UK, NI is.

@christianmccann9400

2 ай бұрын

Borders in the Irish sea mate

@koeman1873

Ай бұрын

@@christianmccann9400 There is also a border on land between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland mate.

@bobsemple9341

16 күн бұрын

​@@koeman1873not "Republic of Ireland", the countries name is Ireland

@koeman1873

16 күн бұрын

@bobsemple9341 also called the Republic of Ireland in most references to the country.

@bobsemple9341

16 күн бұрын

@@koeman1873 nope, it's called Ireland and you'll respect that. If you can't. Simply don't speak.

An Dáil, the Irish Parliament, is pronounced "Dall" or even "Doyle", it's not "Dial" like a clock.

@MilesianPaul

Ай бұрын

it's impossible to write out irish pronunciations with english letters u just can't do it

Sinn Fein did not directly have any involvement in the Easter rising, rather some of its newer members such as deValera and Collins were previously apart of the Easter rising. The rising was wrongly dubbed ‘Sinn Fein rising’ by British newspapers and this is what caused many to believe Sinn Fein had direct involvements in the rising. Their leader Arthur Griffith in 1916 was also arrested wrongly accused of being involved in the rising, in fact Sinn Fein founded by Griffith in 1906 was not founded on republican views that many who took part in the riding believed in, but instead was founded on the belief of a dual monarchy similar to the Austro-Hungarian empire.

@MarkHarrison733

Ай бұрын

Sinn Fein was involved in the failed terrorist uprising.

When talking about modern Ireland, one thing that needs to be mentioned was how a Protestant Irish Parliament successfully gained independence for Ireland between 1782 and 1800, during which time Catholics got most of their rights back, with most Irish people of different faiths uniting under the ideologies of either constitutionalism or Republicanism, with both in favour of varying degrees of Irish sovereignty/autonomy and increased personal rights. This independence ended when a failed Republican Revolution in 1798 led British prime minister William Pitt to intimidate and bribe the Irish Parliament into merging the Kingdom Ireland into the UK after an initial Union vote failed. Ireland’s Parliament was forced to merge with The British one (though the courts and civil service of Ireland remained separate, but nominally subject to Westminster from now on). People on both sides seem to have completely forgotten this chapter in Irish history, because Protestants and Catholics fighting together for an independent Irish Kingdom doesn’t fit anyone’s narrative, and yet it had a major impact on the island. Unionism, Republicanism and Constitutionalism all originate from the original Irish volunteers that used the opportunity of the American Revolution distracting Britain to revolt in 1782. This heralded the independence and has shaped all aspects of Irish politics ever since

@talideon

Ай бұрын

Add to that the use of the Orange Order as a sectarian catspaw after 1798 to turn presbyterians against catholics. It was also an effective tool in neutering the lower classes. Previously to that, its membership had been mainly Anglican/CoI and centred in Cork and Dublin. A lot of the subsequent sectarian violence that cropped up in the subsequent two centuries can be tracked down to the creation of that false consciousness.

Because in the end, the UK wasn't willing to commit to the level of repression needed to quash the IRA. Michael Collins played it smart and gambled on that

@MarkHarrison733

Ай бұрын

Collins betrayed Ireland.

@Irishman0855

Ай бұрын

@@MarkHarrison733I agree

Really enjoyed this, my grandfather fought in the1916 rising, the war of independence and the civil war. I was lucky to be able to get hold of his witness statement for the 1916 and his military records for the civil war as these were required for the pension that followed in the 40”s. I would love to be able to find out his role in this war of independence but by grandmother ( now deceased)who was his second wife and was much younger said he never liked to talk about it. Anyway thx for making and sharing this video.

They didnt have cromwell to assist!

@MarkHarrison733

Ай бұрын

Modern historians have confirmed Cromwell did nothing wrong in Ireland.

Ira influenced indian revolutionaries they both joined hands in Hindu-german conspiracy, one indian revolutionary sachindranath Sanyal established Hindustan republican army

@Cinemallennials

2 ай бұрын

I think the 3rd President of India took part in the Easter Rising

@gopichand6640

2 ай бұрын

@@Cinemallennials no

@MrLorenzovanmatterho

2 ай бұрын

And were a complete failure as the IRA were.

Many in Britain were Sympathetic to the Irish. The Conservative newspaper "the Times" (AKA Times of London) recently ran a series of articles from its own paper , 100 years prior to that days date. In it you can see that even conservative voices were outraged by the unnecessary killing. Angry at both the IRA, and the British forces. the Irish home rule party was the largest party in parliament, and democratic support for an independent ireland was there already. The IRA doomed Ireland to partition, as it destroyed the confidence in home rule among the protestants in the north.

@freebeerfordworkers

Ай бұрын

one of the few people who actually knows what he's talking about. The home rule act passed into law in 1914 to the acclamation of all parties and believe it or not Sinn Fein would have negotiated on that had psychotic gunmen not taken over. However the Irish Parliamentary Party was not the largest party but it was a powerful voting bloc and he could decide which party was in government. The Liberal Party of the day actually wanted the Irish parliamentary party out of the Commons because they would disrupt legislation for their own purposes

@Irishman0855

Ай бұрын

Very bad take

@GabagoolEnjoyer863

Ай бұрын

Protestant unionists in the north already opposed home rule. Ireland was on the verge of civil war over it before WW1 kicked off. Not only that but Northern Ireland itself was granted home rule after partition.

@DMFP93

Ай бұрын

​@@GabagoolEnjoyer863 You are referring to the "Ulster Covenant" which was a petition to the UK government opposing home rule, in 1912. The Ulster covenant failed, and in 1914 the Irish Home Rule Act was passed. In fact, during 1916, almost nobody wanted violent rebellion against the British Government, because the general feeling was that the Irish had already got what they wanted - independence after the war. The delay until after the war was necessary as many naval bases, and British troops were based in/ from Ireland. However the British government ensured that there was no conscription in Ireland. In 1916, James Connolly - a Scottish republican who was considered a lunatic, even by other republicans in Ireland - stated he intended to take the GPO by force, and other republican groups were either with him, or against him, forcing their hand. Connolly's action would be known as the 1916 Easter Rising. Connolly militarised the question of Irish Home Rule into a republican war, which was unacceptable to Northern Protestants (whereas "Home Rule" was acceptable, just about). James Connolly's actions led directly to the partition of Ireland.

@GabagoolEnjoyer863

Ай бұрын

@@DMFP93 You implied in your original comment that Ulster unionists had any faith in home rule to begin with. The crisis itself was put on hold during the war, not resolved simply because the act was passed. Home rule did not mean independence either, merely a limited form of self governance. It was actually the IRB that convinced Connolly and the ICA to join their already planned rebellion with the volunteers instead of the ICA doing it alone. The Ulster volunteers didn't disband during WW1, and unionists were not complacent in accepting home rule. Claiming Connolly was at fault for partition is the biggest stretch I've ever seen. Partition was the result of unionists not willing to accept Irish independence, and carving out as much land as they could.

15:30 "hey, i can see down the barrel!"

all the IRISH ever got close to freedom was changing the natinoal anthem flag oh and they changed the pillar boxes FROM RED TO GREEN WOW SUCH HEROS

As someone of English/Irish descent, trying to learn more about my heritage. This'll be fun!

@bobsemple9341

16 күн бұрын

Just don't call urself Irish

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