the french league is so weak but yet the national team is strong. why? because the best french players (young or experienced) are still willing to go overseas for their development. if you want your young talent to improve, stop spoonfeeding them so much and let them fight for their place in a 1st team, be it in the PL or abroad like jadon sancho.

@gordusmaximus4990

5 жыл бұрын

@Claudio Dio sorry. French league is weak. Their entire history they have like... 1 European cup? Portugal has 4, the Netherlands has more then 5. And both leagues dont have half the money the French league has. Not to mention PSG ruined the league. Sooner or later they will have more CL. But has to do more with Billionaires buying a French club.

@mmasavant7731

5 жыл бұрын

@Claudio Dio french teams have 0 European trophies, France has the best national team in the world but their clubs are historicaly bad. what african players are you talking about? XD

@mmasavant7731

5 жыл бұрын

@Claudio Dio 1 champions league then I am impressed

@gordusmaximus4990

5 жыл бұрын

@Claudio Dio yah, that is why Lyon never was European champion or are in the quarter of the CL... And Lmao. By that logic the French National team was nothing without their African imigrants.

@mmasavant7731

5 жыл бұрын

@Claudio Dio Benfica has more finals than all french teams combined

They tried the same thing in the Turkish League and it created a generation of awful players! Since the removal the national team has looked much better.

@osayd4913

5 жыл бұрын

What about ozil he's turkish

@crobatman4448

5 жыл бұрын

@@osayd4913 he is the exception with gundogan,as he was a fantastic player who broke through the bundesliga and was already developing into a star by the 2010 world cup,germany would not have let him slip,so they called him up

@theghostofspookwagen4715

5 жыл бұрын

@@osayd4913 A Turk who grew up in the German system. Same with Gundogan.

@Herb615

4 жыл бұрын

Often times, many leagues with strong quotas favouring domestic players often from nations with national teams that often underperform. Examples include Israel and South Africa. Likewise, these same leagues who have these strict quotas have very small and dwindling attendances. Compare the South African Super League attendance to that of the Turkish League's.

The Eu possibilities in Football Manager 2017+ are clearer than irl

@lindo7503

5 жыл бұрын

So true lol

@Zombie1Boy

5 жыл бұрын

Which is funny since most of the options given in FM2017+ involve tossing out the work permit system in favor is a champions league style roster cap.

The fa should be trying to get english players aboard and look at players like sanchoo to inspire youth to get out there

@williamherbert7938

5 жыл бұрын

Good shout! It's all about the Champions League. More playing time in the hardest competition gets us ready for Internationals.

@axisv99

5 жыл бұрын

his overatted m8

@gc0458

5 жыл бұрын

@@axisv99nothing to do with his abilities just get the younger players out there

@axisv99

5 жыл бұрын

@@gc0458 i rate English players but i think theres high ceiling with Foden and Hudson odoi compared to sancho

@axisv99

5 жыл бұрын

@@gc0458 at the same age dembele was killing the champions league

I completely agree with this video. English players should try going abroad while building their career if anything. There is loads of English talent that comes from lower tiers of English football and academies. Having the toughest league is an advantage, not disadvantage.

@firdausansarifard

5 жыл бұрын

Sancho is one good example

@FootballMatrix

5 жыл бұрын

So other countries protect their players, develop them and then sell them but English players must now go overseas with limited experience in hopes of beating out players in their natural environment who are given preferred treatment. Sounds fair

@FootballMatrix

5 жыл бұрын

Sancho is a great talent. His success mean little to lesser talented players

@ddddirge

5 жыл бұрын

Well, actually it depends from the players themselves... if the competition can make them motivated or lose confidence...

@Kiddingyoumust

5 жыл бұрын

"English players should try going abroad while building their career" "Having the toughest league is an advantage, not a disadvantage" Soooo... Its an advantage for the English players to have the EPL ... but they should leave? ????

Blaming your Domestic league for your bad national team is stupid. France just won the World Cup with a team from different leagues

@DolfoLicks

5 жыл бұрын

But they started somewhere. No one is saying players shouldn't play abroad, but when it comes to the point that not even the lower leagues employ players from that country's league, yes, the national team will be affected.

@ChaingunCassidy

4 жыл бұрын

That's the point.

Look at what happened in Russia, unmotivated players with huge salaries

It's about time they got a winter break

@sparkylfc91

5 жыл бұрын

Any footballer who has the drive to win wants to play as many games as possible

@longnguyenhoang994

5 жыл бұрын

@@sparkylfc91 It's not really about having the drive to win or not, it's about having sufficient rest to steer away from possible injuries and therefore, improving their overall performances

@sparkylfc91

5 жыл бұрын

@@longnguyenhoang994 more games means less training, generally players want to play every game, look at messi, I know they have a winter break but I guarantee hed be fine either way

@longnguyenhoang994

5 жыл бұрын

@@sparkylfc91 fair point but what you're saying is mere prediction I would say

@longnguyenhoang994

5 жыл бұрын

@John Trotter easy for big teams to do so, but smaller teams might not be so flexible with their squad

As a wolves fan i hope brexit doesnt impact the portuguese coming in

@DisconnectedRoamer

5 жыл бұрын

As a brexit voter, it won't at all. The plan wasn't to stop immigration, it was to control it. People with qualities that highly benefit our country is important.

@1Skigutt

5 жыл бұрын

@@DisconnectedRoamer so there was a plan. Can you tell me where I can find it?

@DisconnectedRoamer

5 жыл бұрын

@@1Skigutt the plan was to reverse the damages caused by the European union. Hard to deliver a plan when the prime minister is a huge remainer though.

@1Skigutt

5 жыл бұрын

@@DisconnectedRoamer and ego was behind this plan and supported it, since you have no source?

@shermanlee2164

5 жыл бұрын

@@1Skigutt the people wanted to leave the customs union and single market, and the EU political system. The fact is a remainer (Theresa May) does not understand what the voters want and is sabotaging Brexit. It wouldn't affect football as much as the video says, footballers outside EU like son, allison and salah just to name a few play football in EPL so leaving the EU wouldn't mean shit

Learnt more from this video about brexit than i have from Theresa May these last 3 years

@darkleader5962

5 жыл бұрын

@urdrepah true

You don't need 120 English players(the obligatory 6 rule that was applied in Ukraine,Russia and Turkey,etc...) every week playing in the Premier League to form a good national team the level of quality would have a major drop and would hinder the development of the best foobtallers besides an obvious fact, no national team needs 120 players - what you need is the absolute best 25 English players playing in the highest level possible which is what the Premier League offers. I rather have 11 great footballers than 100 average players Proteccionism never works on the long run

@MrQurutin

4 жыл бұрын

England has the only national team in the world that is assembled solely from Premier League players. For most national teams in the world even couple Premier League starters would be a godsend. No other nationality plays more Premier League football than the english. It's idiotic to complain that the amount of imports is making English NT worse.

One major problem with the statistics about the England national team from 1968-1992: Until 1992, only 8 teams qualified for the Euros and until 1976, only 4 teams qualified. When they qualified for the Euros in 1980, 1988, and 1992; there was no "quarterfinal", and there was no opportunity to play supposedly weaker opposition once they got to the main tournament since there were only 8 teams remaining when the final tournament started.

@simcoxnat

5 жыл бұрын

@Mike DiTocco An excellent point. Comparing win percentages between the cut-throat, 8 team, group winners-only era of Euro 84/88/92 and the padded finals era of 24 team Euro 2016 or 32 team 'Panama/Tunisia/Belgium in your group' World Cup 2018 is either completely ignorant (or more likely) deliberately misleading. I'm not a statistician but even I know that any attempt to weight those differing eras' results by, say, opponents' ranking (or some other metric of pedigree) would produce a much different conclusion

Quotas will just raise the price of young English players. Big clubs will just stockpile mediocre English players to meet quotas. I.e. Jones, Smalling and Young at United.

@seadkolasinac7220

5 жыл бұрын

@John Trotter I don't think you needed the aggression there to make your point.

@krys8494

5 жыл бұрын

John Trotter zlatan was a good signing fool

@StrykezMan09

5 жыл бұрын

Exactly! Most fans have been crying for Smalling, Jones, Young and even Shaw to an extent to be sold but since there are quotas, we're stuck with them 😂

So Szymanski and Kuper's theory that England has improved in the 1998-onwards "international period" is based on win percentage at major tournaments? This period coincides with the expansion of the major tournaments England play in; in 1998 the World Cup expanded from 24 teams to 32 teams, and in 96 the Euros expanded from 8 teams to 16. This obviously allows for inferior competition to get in and allows England to pad that win percentage. So a jump from 52% to 62% win ratio at major tournaments is not only expected, it perhaps shows underperformance. The main statistic they used is either negligible to proving their point, or might even prove the reverse.

0:45 map is wrong - Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary, Slovenia, Croatia are EU countries.

You could still spend more money on local youth squads and teams without imposing a quota tho

@BigBlack81

5 жыл бұрын

I think AAF fans here in America would love to opine on this. The NFL DESPERATELY needs a developmental league for it's players as, like in top level sumo, the number of players IS going down for the top positions and refilling them is getting harder while keeping the quality up. So to see the AAF die for economic reasons short term while denying the long term issues it was trying to address pretty much confirm the need for farm teams and developmental leagues. Regardless of the sport, once a big enough level is reached, a farm system must be implemented. If not, the well WILL run dry in any quality labor pool UNLESS immigration is allowed. And then you're back where you are now.

@ratedpending

4 жыл бұрын

@@BigBlack81 massive oof

@BigBlack81

4 жыл бұрын

@@ratedpending Well, here's to the XFL.

English players are just too expensive. For the same quality, players from africa or eastern europe are half if not a third of the price of english players.

I'm Canadian and I'm not on either side but you can look at Spain as an example of why strong quotas does work. They have strict rules on foreign players, you aren't allowed to have more than 2 non-eu players on a club . This has proven to be a good thing for Spain for a number of reasons, in the last 10 years Spanish clubs have won 6 Europa Leagues and 7 champions league titles . Then you can look at the Spain national team where they won 2 Euro Cups and 1 world cup in 3 straight tournaments. A big reason for that was that they focused on development from players within their country . You can look at their starting 11 and usually you'll find the same 5-6 players who played on Barcelona. Germany isn't too dissimilar as they had a large majority of their players play only in the Bundesliga on that 2014 squad and had a strong Bayern Munich presence in that starting 11 . All I'm saying is that there's value to developing in your own country because yes, despite the FA's suggestion about quotas doing nothing, focusing on your own talent does actually work as evidence by Spain and Germany

@lukemclellan2141

5 жыл бұрын

Interesting points. One might argue that the wealth of the premier is a factor that hinders development of English players. Talented players from the football league are often over-valued, leading PL clubs to buy cheaper from abroad. Without that choice, clubs in Spain and Germany are able to prioritise youth development for financial reasons, particularly if their investment can be sold to a PL club for a profit.

Brexit: When you want to leave without actually leaving.

@JHA854

5 жыл бұрын

Brexit is like quitting a job and then asking to keep all of your benefits and wage.

@dtinglis5027

5 жыл бұрын

Pretty sure the people who voted still want to leave though...... so not really valid lol

@Dani-kq6qq

5 жыл бұрын

@Mr Offensington You're confusing Brexit with leaving.

@Dani-kq6qq

5 жыл бұрын

@Mr Offensington In Reality: Brexit /ˈbrɛksɪt,ˈbrɛgzɪt/ noun 1) When you leave without actually leaving 2) When you're getting cucked by the EU 3) When your Prime Minister surrenders your country to the EU.

@user-uy3yn7dv3v

5 жыл бұрын

@@JHA854 Not really i mean the point of Brexit was to get away from EU laws and Regulations to create our own

But how can the local kids learn from the best league if they can't afford to watch the quality football on week to week basis. Everyone can go watch in Spain and Germany.

England was the only squad of the 2018 world cup where all players played in their domestic league. That says it all doesnt it?

@bv2623

5 жыл бұрын

England was the only squad who never saw any real opposition at the WC2018. They only met Belgium, and they lost twice (once against a Belgian B-squad). Imo, a team which didn't deserve their place in the semis.

@BENS19777

5 жыл бұрын

@@bv2623 yes much easier route than Germany who got knocked out by the giants of world football sth Korea and Mexico.

@harmharmsen4673

5 жыл бұрын

@@bv2623 regardless of that, it shows that English players get plenty of possibilities in the PL. There is for now no reason to try to decrease the number of forgein players in the PL

@LegendNinja41

5 жыл бұрын

@@BENS19777 that moment when you wirte ''sth'' instead of ''south'' korea because it's too long, or maybe you was unsure how it's written.

@Taeerom

5 жыл бұрын

@@BENS19777 Germany in the WC is a tale by itself. When your playmaking midfielder don't trust your left back to the extent that he never sends a pass to him, there are more important issues than player quality or even fitness. The Germany team needed to bring a new team, not just bring the same old 50% of an underperforming Bayern.

Last four WC Champions were from EU nations (Italy, Spain, Germany, France) - No one has any reason to believe Brexit could in any way, shape or form improve the status of England's national team on the world's stage.

@Herb615

4 жыл бұрын

That's exactly what I was thinking.

Yeah it will be harder for EU players just like it is for those outside the EU, but isn’t the better point that it shouldn’t be so hard for those outside the EU? Being an evertonian I’m especially familiar with that part of the issue with Onyekuru trapped out on loan struggling to get a work permit because he’s not European, even though he’s well known as an up and coming talent.

The study is flawed. Wasn't there only 8-24 teams in the world cup until the 1990s. Now you have more average teams qualifying, of course England will have a higher win percentage!

I’m torn on this. As a Sunderland fan most of the time we’ve been in the prem we’ve been shit. So most of the players we signed were lads who only cared about the money because Sunderland could pay much more than a French time in wages for example. These players didn’t care and were first to jump ship when we got relegated. All of our team now except for a few exceptions are British and Irish and see playing for Sunderland as a privilege. For example we have prem quality facilities and a massive fan base for league 1 plus the history of the club dwarfs most League 1 teams. As a result, they are so much more passionate and are there for the right reasons, especially because they might never play for a team of our size because of the level of ability they have. This is much more enjoyable to watch because the team works so much harder as they could before and the fans are much more involved in the team and they care for the players more and now looking back on our time in the prem we see players we used to love like Khazri, Borini, Kone and others as cunts. Also, we have good academy players and a good academy so if the quality of the prem gets worse because of Brexit, by the time we’re back we’ll have mostly a young, good and local team. A team who we can identify with aswell

Wenger out.

@simeon2851

5 жыл бұрын

Ok, Rip Van Winkle.

could you explain how defensive football could work, because defensive managers have been less succesful as year pass Excpet for deschamps

Can you do a video on Salford City, combined with a tactics explained? Love the content!

Players from lower leagues like Kante & Mahrez would never have gotten a chance in the Premier League with Brexit restrictions.

@Aditya-iz8rt

5 жыл бұрын

Why not

@ADAJ3KINGANGEL

5 жыл бұрын

Wys fewer foreign players per team, tougher restrictions, & each transfer would be more expensive so it's unlikely a team would use their few foreign player slots on players outside of the top 5 leagues.

It wasn't because of over saturation that the Golden Generation failed it was in my opinion a series of key reasons. 1. Pressure The English press are so counter intuitive to the England team in the fact they raise expectations unrealistically high that some players didn't enjoy the international experience. 2. Stubbornness Rio Ferdinand admitted that as the majority of the squad were in top teams competing for silverware, there were cliques cause they weren't man enough to suspend that during the duration of tournemants The Manager As good of Sven was he had a reputation for shoe horning players into the team (Hence Scholars on the left in Euro 2004). Or continually picking them when they weren't fit or in form(Beckham/Rooney). He also seemed to favour players at those top clubs and did not tend to look towards players that would fit in a system as opposed to big names. 3.Over Reliance Beckham and Rooney were the perfect example of this, as the nation held their breath or touched metatarsal pictures in papers. Both were great players but we needed to have plan Bs or left field choices such as Dean Ashton(pre injury) or swallowing our pride and recalling retired players. 4. Picking the best team If you spoke to Xavi, Iniesta and Raul they'd of told you that Scholars was the one you should of built the team around plus one from Lampard or Gerrard in that midfield along with a holder(Hargreaves/Barry) 5. Preparation Gareth Southgate has showed how key preparation is in 2018. The nonsense of not being able to prep for penalities and the use of set piece routines benefited England greatly. 6. Lack of real width and pace That team never really had natural wingers when playing a 442(Beckham really is a CM). There were players like Dowling and Johnson about and others but they were never really given the nod. I would also say that if the F.A and PL want to improve the likelihood of English players starting in league games.....22 Man match day squads like in major tournemants. A manager can have a few young players on the bench to turn to if a game is over. Southgate has an England team for me that is more functional but there is also competition for places and we are in a situation where our academies are finally producing talent.

@ovoj

5 жыл бұрын

I completely agree with 22 man match day squads. It's such a common sense solution that it's not even surprising they haven't thought of it yet

bit unfair if foreign players can't play just because there better than english players

@jordan_roadhouse4798

5 жыл бұрын

Germany, Spain and France do it? What is the point in supporting your team then if it doesn't represent the area you're from? And what's the point in even having an academy then.

@hellothere-us7iw

5 жыл бұрын

Yup they want it like few years ago 80 percent of the EPL teams play park the bus. They rather be Xenophobia people than play awesome football. Which also means lessen the chance ever of EPL winning UCL

@jordan_roadhouse4798

5 жыл бұрын

@@hellothere-us7iw That's mongish. How is self determination, anti-centralisation and anti-isolationism, xenophobic? And not once has anyone stated anything close to barring all foreign players. Having a minimum quota is completely different you clown.

@simonmitchell1128

5 жыл бұрын

@@jordan_roadhouse4798 and look at how much worse their leagues are. The club still represents where you're from, the fans! And the academy/youth development. Honestly English players should go abroad more, look at France for example. Terrible league but 2 world cups in 20 years.

@Qhaz

5 жыл бұрын

Jordan__ Roadhouse if you think foreign players can’t represent your club i’m genuinely worried you have unhealthy ethnic obsession, look at solskjaer, he’s the perfect example of a Manchester Utd man. I do agree with you that club identity is severely lacking nowadays but that’s not because of the players, at every level clubs are paying so much less attention to their philosophy

Bad for man city ,only 3 non EU player can register stop them buying loads of large quantity of quality players.

@jesuscano9615

5 жыл бұрын

It's bad for everyone in the Prem, name me one good club that doesn't have more than 3 foreign players in the starting 11

@Xyyymrgamer

5 жыл бұрын

Burnley

@jesuscano9615

5 жыл бұрын

@@Xyyymrgamer But I said good 🤦😂😂

@simonmarie83

5 жыл бұрын

Bad for the Premier League in general. It's not become the best league in the world by having a bunch of Vardys and Deeneys, mate, good as they are.

@krys8494

5 жыл бұрын

Simon Marie best but they dont play the best football

IMO, by going overseas (to foreign leagues), the players will get experience of playing with different culture, style, tactics, etc... and thus that experience will help them to adapt to different playing style, position, and managers when they play in the national team. Of course, if the player is already good enough to begin with (or too good in some rare cases) to play for the first team in their home team, then its all good.

can you make a video on MN United and what the journey looked like getting into the MLS and now having their first home game in their own MLS soccer only stadium? i feel like this was a huge moment in MLS history alongside with the other newer expansion teams !!!

If you wanna know if quotas help the national team, ask my countrymen, the Turkish. There was a quota for years, and we sucked regardless. Only now that quota is lifted, young ones go abroad and they face better competition, national team is starting to rebuild.

Great video Tifo. Would have been interesting to see the examples of the Russian and Turkish national teams as both leagues have stricter quotas than most of Europe. Portugal on the other hand have the least lax.

Those statistics used to suggest the England team has improved at major tournaments in the international period are completely misleading. Firstly the formats have changed and there have only actually been quarter finals in 3 of the tournaments in the 'british' period so I am not sure where the number of 4 quarter finals from 13 attempts comes from. All the euros up to 1976 only had 4 teams qualifying and the euros from 1980 to 1992 all had only 8 teams in a group stage with the top two from each group competing in the semi finals. Only the 1970, 1986 and 1990 world cups had a quarter final stage with england making this stage on all 3 occasions. The other world cups had second group stages which led straight to the semi finals. I am unsure how reaching a tournament of only 4 teams and therefore not playing a quarter final or reaching a tournament with a group stage of eight teams and not making a quarter final can be classed as failed attempts at making a quarter final. Secondly due to the format changes of the world cup and euros there are now more teams in the tournament and therefore more matches against lower ranked opponents which makes it easier for england to win more games. It would be interesting to see the average world ranking of the teams that England played in the two different periods. I would expect that the quality of teams played was a lot higher in the 'british' period than the 'international' period.

The argument that more homegrown players in the league would most likely improve the national team makes sense because it has success for most others. Spain has been very successful over the last 10+ years, Germany have won a WC recently and France have a World Cup winning golden generation on their hands for the future. I think we just need to stop England players being rivals (eg. The main players being at rival clubs) and we should arrange fixtures like how other nations do to help the national team and prevent exhaustion.

Lol from the title you know they made this video out of annoyance 😂😂

I agree up to a point, the English national team has also suffered because of a historical lack of investment and poor academy coaching which now (finally) seems to be changing, hence the success of English youth sides winning tournaments. However, Premier League clubs prefer to import foreign players to the extent that English football doesn't get the best of the best international talent anymore - instead we get some excellent imports and a large volume of pretty average foreign players who arent really any more skilful than academy homegrown talent, they just have the benefit of developing in easier leagues, and it's less risky to play them than a youngster still learning who might make a mistake and so get a manager sacked. And so you get situations like Chelsea's academy - one of the best in the world, yet how many homegrown players have cemented a first team place since John Terry? English football has benefited hugely from incredible foreign stars playing in England, but it's clear now that young homegrown talent is all too often crowded out by decent but not fantastic imports. I dont know if the answer is stricter quotas, but some sort of policy change is needed by the FA to help give talented homegrown youth a fair shot at the clubs that are supposed to develop them. More long-term planning/stability at clubs who axe managers at the drop of a hat (e.g. Chelsea) and encouraging young English players to go abroad (Sancho is an excellent example) would also help the national team.

The EU Map missed out Romania, Bulgaria and Croatia.

I hope we will see the return of Hooverball in England. Just Imagine a 2-4-4 with strict position rules making a comeback

Maybe other teams are better 🤷🏻‍♂️

Having said that about English players playing top opposition and developing against that, the sad truth is that many players aren't getting on the field in the first place, so something needs to be done to get the players onto field

Could you do a video around english players abroad? england and the uk have next to no players in the other top 5 leagues and the ones that are do extremely well such as jaden sancho

Scraping the 5th round replays is a disaster for lower league clubs :(

@lyricaljaffacakes2946

5 жыл бұрын

Burnley not managing to get past qualifying rounds of the europa league is a disaster.

@DJPCooke97

5 жыл бұрын

Not really. It would only be a disaster if many lower league clubs regularly got beyond the fourth round as it is many clubs, including my own (Doncaster Rovers) very rarely get a tie where a replay would benefit massively financially. Before getting to the fifth round this year we hadn't been there for literal decades. And there are dozens of other lower league sides for which just getting to the fifth round happens once in a blue moon. So whilst the payouts are good, it's not a disaster if we don't get that big replay away at the Emirates or the Etihad.

@JMThought

5 жыл бұрын

Daniel Cooke it has changed seasons of league 1 and league 2 teams. It gives them something to play for, one of the few ways the money filters down.

@DJPCooke97

5 жыл бұрын

@@JMThought No team in the third round of the FA cup ever thinks we want a fifth round replay. They might want the big occasion at the big stadium, but they never actively want a replay until they get to the fifth round and get a Spurs or Liverpool at home. And it's not a disaster. Whilst it relieves financial pressure it is not the be all and end all of a small clubs season. We have to play an extra 8 league games compared to a Premier League side before you start. Add in the possibility of play-offs as Donny have this season plus a run to the 5th round of the FA Cup and the EFL Cup and Trophy matches as well - we could well have played 60 games by the end of this season. With a small squad, that's difficult. It's not a disaster, even if the extra money is beneficial.

The problem is that English players refuse to go abroad.

What about the internal systems that oversees the domestic talent development? All Germany did was to take a few pointers from the dutch and their "golden generation" was born. For once i disagree with Tifo, the whole ordeal is like a chicken/egg paradox. Does the lack of good english players come from foreign competition limiting precious play time or is foreign competition naturally better than the english talent. Either way, evolution happens when the enviorment changes and I have faith that a resourceful league like the english league will sooner or later find the new formula and adapt accordingly.

@benh9935

5 жыл бұрын

That wasn't Tifo's argument though. He was presenting the FA's argument.

@JimmyKillem69

5 жыл бұрын

@@benh9935 one they obviously agree with

@benh9935

5 жыл бұрын

@@JimmyKillem69 Did you watch the video? He disagreed with the FA's viewpoint and was agreeing with the arguments presented in soccernomics

@Krissdafish

5 жыл бұрын

@@benh9935 I might have gone dizzy, but to me TIFO seemed to favor non-domestic competition between talent within the english league. Which I disagree with.

@Reckoner12

5 жыл бұрын

Essence Wolf The population of Europe is over 700 million. The population of the UK is just over 60 million. It's easier to find 500 good non-English footballers.

Every other league protects their players. England should do the same

3:50 this had been my argument for ages regarding this topic. Well done 👏

While Brexit isn't good for the national team, the oversaturation of foreign players clearly affects the opportunities afforded to younger players. Rashford probably would not be where he is had it not been for the injury crisis that led to his debut. SQD. PPN MKT Value of National Squad (going into the 2018 World Cup) Germany 0.519 897.75 m Spain 0.432 892.8 France 0.484 1020 Italy 0.541 646.5 England 0.681 648 Belgium 0.58 702.75 Portugal 0.573 483.95 SQD. PPN = Proportion of foreign players in domestic league. The spanish and german national team benefits from exposing it's domestic talent to world class players (thanks to Madrid, Barca and Bayern) but has struck a better balance than the EPL has. Promising english players are starved of the opportunity to be anything but a bit-part player. Given the success of England at U/19 and junior competitions the large gap between itself, and say france, in market value is worth noting. Stats were taken a while back (2018) but they're about the same.

Those numbers on international performance (whilst they may be correct) I think causality isn't right. Think of all of the new (considerably worse) teams we now okay who are on the international scene. I'm not saying we haven't got better - but it seems mighty bold to define performance down the that alone.

Price of English footballers inflate even more -> Clubs with best academies profit -> All clubs outside the Top 6 who don't have the money for big academies and can no longer compensate with cheaper foreign players suffer

Another factor affecting the English team's performance is the lack of a world class manager. Notice how most premier league teams have foreign managers.

The reason with English national team is that their squad is filled with all premier league based players,now what does this mean?It means that these group of players are all exposed to the same football environment,intensity and mentality,they would be better if more English players played across diff European leagues

Foreign players definitely improve the youth teams as well, there are loads of young players coming up who will benefit from the high standard of competition in the prem

How's the commentator, sounds familiar?

The idea that the lack of a winter break negatively effects the Premier League teams is a red herring. How is it advantageous to play more games later in the season like they do in Spain? It's better to get the matches over with when there's no Champions League football, i.e. late December and January.

England needs to look after and focus on their own for a while.. not look after everyone else's that come here..

Hopefully we will find out soon.

well...england reached the semi in world cup 2018, three english clubs have been in the champions league final from 2018--2019,(liverpool being there twice) and tottenham, which have english players ,like trent alexander arnold, milner, kane, dier, danny rose, raheem sterling, kyle walker. So I dont really see a difference between this england side and the so called golden generation. If anything they are the same. The golden generation couldnt even qualify for the euro 2008, and got embarrassed at the 2010 world cup. We got a lucky group and fixtures for the 2018 world cup to get to the semi. Brexit or not I dont see it affecting the quality of the england national team.

@kelvinsudirman4072

4 жыл бұрын

milner, lingard, and alli aren't on gerrard, lampard, or scholes level. rose and walker aren't on ashley cole or gary neville level (alexander arnold is, though). maguire and stones aren't on ferdinand and terry (+ king and carra) level. eric dier isn't on hargreaves or carrick level. the golden generation didn't have a qualified CF (they have peter crouch and emile heskey instead) but rooney can act like one. on the overall the golden generation is still superior though admittedly this generation has a surplus for forward players the golden generation didn't have (rashford, sancho, kane). most importantly to their failed result though, is their ancient tactics (too adamant to use their star midfielders which were both offensive-minded lampard and gerrard in the 4-4-2 midfield, scholes was forced to the flank, their defensive midfielders were rarely starters.

It's simple: wage caps for younger players. If it set to a level where mid to low ranked premier league teams and teams abroad would be willing to pay, young players would have no reason to sit in the reserves/academies of the big teams and would move elsewhere for game time. Gradually increase the wage cap every year of age until maybe 22/23 where there is no cap.

Hot take: what if there are more English players in the Premier league and this means the impact of the rigorous schedule is spread across more eligible talent thereby allowing the squad and ipso the national team to be more competitive?

I see what you're saying but it's still a bit more nuanced that that. Look at the likes of Jadon Sancho, he never even got a look in because City kept buying foreign imports without even giving a second look at their youth development. The idea of quotas isn't necessarily bad in and of itself. Not in the matchday squad but in their roster. Youth development in England has improved a lot in the last few years. The thing is that even though the talent is there, most managers are under pressure and prefer to play an expensive foreginer/British veteran as opposed to the promising youngster. Of course you have a couple of exceptions like Pochettino but by and large that is the case. In other leagues, like the Bundesliga, for example, you see a lot more opportunities given to young talent and the national team benefits as a result. What happened in the 2018 world cup wasn't because of a lack of talent, but because Low refused to let go of players who were clearly past their sell-by date (Humels, Boateng, Muller, Neuer, etc.) instead of putting his faith on the likes of Ter Stegen, Rudiger, etc. At least Lahm had the decency to retire when he knew he couldn't maintain a certain level. Anyway, I digress. The point is that there aren't enough opportunities given to youth naturally. They shouldn't be forced to be in the matchday squad like in some countries, but they could benefit from being in the squad. Another thing that would benefit them (but probably won't happen) is to integrate "B teams" like they do in Germany and Spain, whereupon the reserve players play in the same league pyramid that their club does. Imagine Chelsea's reserves playing in the Championship for example, that would go a long way towards their formation. Specially in their ages from 17-20.

Well, unfortunately this was (unusually) one sided and uncritical (a pitty because I love this channel). It just adopts the flaws of economic theory (I am a former student of economics and statistics): It implicitely makes unreasonable assumptions without communicating them. Thus, it appears logical, but if you take a closer look on the assumptions themselves - It is not. The problems are the following: The video and the authors of soccernomics put all responsibility on the individual player by assuming the only "factor of production" of players is what the authors call "motivation". This "motivation" is linked to training effort and it is assumed that it can only be increased by raising psychological pressure due to higher competition via foreign players. This economic model of player production seems questionable. Furthermore, the presented empirical arguments suffer from logical fallacies. In more detail: First, one could argue that the production of a player is influenced by more than just one factor. It seems more reasonable to assume that it also depends on the quality of coaches, quality of training infrastructure and the socio-psychological environment that players face. Quotas are likely to raise the motivation of clubs to invest in their academies for young players and make them buy better coaches, better training grounds etc.. With the assumption of the authors this does not play any role in the production of players because only training effort itself counts. Additionally, the claim "Quotas harm motivation" is rather strong. Is it really the case that a young player thinks about quotas and therefore reduces training effort? Is psychological pressure the only way to make young player train? Is lending a very young boy to club far abroad not a much a higher risk to cause a lack of motivation due to psychological factors? Second, the presented statistics are rather superficial. The authors implicitely claim that the correlation between "world cup success" and "number of foreign players" is logically a causality. Is this true? To me, it seems more reasonable that the driving factor behind world cup success is "Overall national investment in education of players". As these investments happened to exhibit a parallel developement compared to "number of foreign players", a statistic can be constructed that shows the correlation that the authors present. However, by this logic you could also claim that the reason for englands world cup success is the "number of personal computers within england", as both seems to show parallel developement. So, correlation does not mean causality. My personal guess is, that the authors of soccernomics are "classic anglo-american economists" that cheer free markets relentlessly. Thus, they constructed an explanotary model "from the end", such that by defintion of the assumption, it MUST reaffirm the notion that any intervention is always bad, no matter what you aim at. This may seem conspiratorial from the outside but if you get in touch with some professors of economic theory, the dogmatic and overarching attempt to make everything fit their ideology is not unusual.

Once again the blame goes on foreigners 😂

@larryoconnor690

5 жыл бұрын

Must've got a tip From Trump

In the past younger english players were given more game time however now it is cheaper to just get an older proved foreign player instead. This is external, it isn't free market economics...

It entirely depends on how it's managed and what rules are made. Brexit is not an inherently bad thing for football. We could impose squad foreign player limits but also have easier to get, more obtainable work permits from all over the world rather than the current system that allows all EU players in at the expense of players from the rest of the world.

@jda.276

5 жыл бұрын

Players from all over the world are already getting an easy pass due to EU regulations. A lot of them already have Portuguese, Spanish or Italian passports.

winter break is a load of bollacks, England semi finalist 2018 and Wales Euro semi finalist 2016 with a large number of players coming from the championship, a even more physically demanding league compared to the premier league

You should really do a video of Chivas Guadalajara and their 100% Mexican tradition. Would love to see you make a video about the history, tactics, numbers, and maybe look towards the future.

I don’t think foreign players are the problem for underdeveloped English players, there is too much quality playing for the likes of Chelsea c team, they need to be loaned out to lower league teams so the players can develop skills u don’t gain playing reserves and puts them in the shop window. There’s no point them spending their career nearly playing for the first team when they can easily gain game time for a lower league club and make something of their name. Btw brexit means brexit!

@scottrichardson1529

5 жыл бұрын

JJJamesG young players should go on loan where ever they will play games. oh and brexit won't even touch football in the slightest hence why this video never actually made any actual points but all whataboutary

@scottrichardson1529

5 жыл бұрын

JJJamesG you mean like how it hindered Jamie vardy and Harry kane? so we won't give a visa to someone who will pay thousands or millions in tax? when has that ever happened? it never has. English players will challenge eachother lol your not critically thinking,you are just spreading the same baseless scare stories you got told. this country is leaving the eu because we got thinkers who don't believe lies to by the media and politicians who are renowned for lying. both pushed us into the eu on lies. the British media are the lowest ranked in the eu. if they said the grass was green then I'd question it!

@louiswoodward8095

5 жыл бұрын

@@GivemetheGravymy local club loaned a 19 year old from liverpool, the guy was pure class and obviously saw this as an opportunity to develop himself, unfortunatly he is now injured but he was in the team of the season and had championship clubs intrested, and my example of chelsea was just random. Also the entire media coverage of brexit is fear mongering, it is only the bad points and none of the good. Kinda bias

Premier League's Winter break called Valentine's Break but outside uk called Christmas break

great video

The reason that Germany has a longer February break is simply because they play 34 not 38 games. Along with that, England has the Carabao Cup and FA Cup where as the other big countries only have 1 other bigger cup. (excluding things like the community shield etc.)

Whilst I agree that exhaustion plays a part I think this video places it in far too much importance. Many other national teams have a very high percentage of PL players and they don't seem to suffer from this "exhaustion". Belgium are an extremely good example but don't forget that winners France had 5 (I think) PL players in their lineup. The Golden Generation underperformed because of Svens tactics, pure and simple. A 10-day winter break doesn't mean the England team is going to be firing on all cylinders come the Summer. Top teams will always bring in the best talent (regardless of nation or nationality), the saturation of foreign players for me lies with the rest of the PL teams and that's due to money. They bring in foreign talent because they can get the required talent for less £££. This is also the reason why the PL is more competitive and "better" than other nations. The problem for England is simple, we've always produced talent, it's getting game time at a decent standard/level for that young talent to flourish. In that regard, quotas COULD help.

@lukemclellan2141

5 жыл бұрын

Quotas on foreign players will only further increase transfer fees of English players and make the top clubs harvest all the talented youngsters.

I think that the club rivalry is so strong these guys cant co exist in a national team. Chelsea, Man Utd, Liverpool, players stick respectively with each other club mates. Although they love playing for their country. Deep inside they didnt have the chemistry. But now I think the things are changing, especially with the spurs, they have kane, alli, trippier and few english players who train and play together through out, have an understanding in the pitch and are very playing very good for the national side.

@ave789

5 жыл бұрын

I remember some of them saying that it was exactly because their clubs were so successful that the national team faltered - they didn't want to share what could potentially win or lose them the league given it was so competitive at the time. They were more loyal to the club than to the country, and that's completely fair - it's up to the manager to find people who are the opposite.

@gordusmaximus4990

5 жыл бұрын

Lol has nothing to do with that. By that logic Spain wouldnt win the Euro cup in 2012. When the Rivalry between Barça and Madrid was on a discusting level (not to mention, politics are evolved in that rivalry). England simply isnt that good. In the 1998 to 2006 period, maybe you can say that. Today? The top English teams barely has one key English player. The EPL is full of foreigners. Being Toteham the most English team.

@playboicartiismydad4842

5 жыл бұрын

This is really stupid, something a child would think

One thing that is never mentioned in this argument is the reluctance of English players to play abroad

Sooner or later the money is going to make it hard to impossible for people to go to most of the games. Now do we need salary caps in all professional sports. Pretty much yes. Because after all most of the food eaten by them is mostly provided to them by their clubs or where they train. While for health care and treatment. That is also pretty much cover, going by how much money is coming into the clubs. Now how much is enough in terms of weekly wage. After tax, it should be around £1,000 to £2,000 per week depending on the player. Because just look at people who serve on the front line, work in general hospitals and other well respected or tough careers. At most some make around £20,000 to £45,000 per year, depending on hours and how far up they are up on the career ladder. Right what about singing on fee’s. £80,000 to £120,000 is plenty and to make sure players don’t always keep moving. They should be forced to stay at a club for a minimum of 2 years, unless of course they are sold or released. And lastly. Bonuses should be kept to £20,000 to £30,000 for winning a League. Because not only would it result in every player playing for the shirt and the fans. While on the money side, they would be more respected as well as not buying cars, items and houses as fashion statements. Right what about other bonuses. Winning a Cup or World Tournament should be around £20,000 to £40,000 depending on the competition. Next bonuses for goals if a player has a bonus for 30 goals a season. It should at max by £2,000, appearances set to £1,000 and unused appearances shouldn’t exist. Anyway what about the people who moan, that their careers are short. Well on the player side of things, it can go up to 45 in some leagues while in rare instances, it could go up to 48-50. However after their playing career, they have plenty of options. Enter anything that pays well for hard work, like sales for instance which is also a good career if you can make it up to the top. But most players once they retire either go into movies, coaching and management, scouting, sporting director or being on, either radio or TV. Anyway should salaries be also kept in none playing roles. Pretty much it should be lower for most by about 20-40%. But coaching, management and sporting directors should get 15-20% less. And for scouting roles, 25-30% less is a good number.

There's something shuddery about referring to players as "imports"

@ethantownsend6609

5 жыл бұрын

morgengabe1 yeah it’s like calling people things

@ethantownsend6609

5 жыл бұрын

ThePark 627 I suppose yeah I didn’t think about that

@ramshacklealex7772

5 жыл бұрын

Yes, but less so than referring to the "buying" and "selling" of players.

The win percentage statistics are nonsense. So many more lesser countries play in tournaments now.

One way to reduce exhaustion is to simply reduce the amount of domestic fixtures Premier League teams need to play. Let's be honest, no one takes the Carabao Cup seriously (as a United fan). Scrap the entire Carabao Cup, move the FA Cup schedule earlier in its place, remove all replays, and make semifinals one leg, so top 6 teams don't need to struggle from league games to European games to Cup games within the space of a few days. That alone reduces seasonal fixtures by four or five.

Let's be realistic about the English golden generation of the 2000s. From Eriksson, Capello, and all their managers, they were woefully managed at a national level. The insistence of using only a 4-4-2 all across the board was borderline laughable, given the depth England had with midfielders and strikers. Also, I feel like the FA is being a little too speculative on giving English players a better chance to develop. English players are getting squeezed out of English clubs, but why aren't they good enough to play at other clubs abroad? I know this comment is a year after this video was made, but Jadon Sancho went abroad to Dortmund and is expected to be highly sought after by a bevy of English clubs this summer and Jude Bellingham is now at Dortmund. Why aren't other English players good enough to push through and develop abroad? That should be a question the FA should really look at.

@ToxicDarkLord

3 жыл бұрын

Well actually in the last 2 years more and more English players going abroad now which is quite positive and a lot of credit really goes to Sancho because he was the one who had the balls to go abroad to get game time and I think a lot of young players have seen what he has achieved and are not afraid to go abroad now. I mean these are just some players who have gone abroad in the last 2 years or so. Nelson at Hoffenheim Jordi Osei Tutu at Bochum Trippier at Atletico, Reece Oxford at Augsburg, Ademola Lookman at Leipzig, Sancho at Dortmund, Bellingham at Dortmund. These are just a few players that I know at the top of my head but I definitely know there is a lot more in France especially.

Every tifo video is class

Turkey had the same regulations for foreign players some time ago ...this resulted big clubs paying ridiculous money for mediocre turkish players just because they are turkish...moreover , these players didnt have a professional work ethic so their development stagnated..The result is underachieving national team and clubs when they play in Europe...

I don't think Brexit is going affect the premier league, I read somewhere that the UK will adopt a similar immigration rule to the U.S's O1 visa status.

True but, since the 90s the world cup overall participants has increased. Meaning you play weaker teams in the group stages on wards to the quarters.. So of course on paper it seems like you are doing better.. quarter finals.. semi finals etc.. where as before this it was much more exclusive and you really was facing the top teams in the world. Since the increase to 32 teams it is much easier for minnows to reach a higher plateau.. I.e 2002. At the rate the premier league is going, English players will become such a small minority that we will have to look at the lower leagues to fill the squad. This video is largely missing that point

Honestly the only thing the FA has ever gotten right. But they actually need to put like a 6 foreign player limit in a match squad, not 13. 13 Is still more than half of a match squad. 11 starters and 2 subs. Just look at clubs like City and Chelsea. What have they ever done for English national football? Sure, Sterling (but he's a Liverpool product) and Hart? Then John Terry of course, but that was before Abramovich took over. Who would pass through this 13 player barrier today? Burnley? But that was before they went insane I mean hell, English clubs aren't even playing their own players. If they're not lost in a loan carousel, they go overseas to find glory in another bit more relaxed league where they can blossom. Sancho and Nelson are great examples of late. Because in Bundesliga, even though they have a similar problem, they still play the youth.

I'm sure it won't kill us but I always thought the 'there are too many foreign players' argument was a bit self-pitying. With the high standard of our clubs we should be able to put a strong squad together and looks like we finally have. And only 20 years into the International Period (apparently). That's ONE generation so maybe we're just seeing the benefits now.

Premier league without foreigner players? Not a big deal : Four English teams in the semifinals 2019,( Champion's league & Europa league) four foreigner managers ( Klopp, Pochettino, Sarri and emery) 15 goals scored ( semifinals and finals) not even one was scored by a British player: So what are we talking about?

they should get rid of replays in the cups. in the FA cup if you’re still tied after 90 minutes go extra time immediately. In every other cup if you’re still tied after 90 then striaght to penalties. You’re killing your players by making them play so many full games with little to no breaks

I don't care. The protection of our children is more important than football

@MindOfW

5 жыл бұрын

Calm down Frodo Baggins ! Why you gotta be mad ? it's only a game

But football is a completely different sport from 1968 to what it is in 1998.its like comparing 100 meter runners in 1968 to runners we have now, it's a different sport with different rules. And to ignore the 1966 win is done so just to prove a point

Man your map of the EU was old.

We've got a very small pool from which to draw talent and we don't put enough funding/effort into developing that talent from a young age. The decline of the British empire following WW2 didn't help either as we've not got many other places to cherry pick talent from as is the case with some footballing nations

Premier footballing competition in the world my arse

I'm npt sure I agree with this hypothesis. First off all it bases England's success on win ratio which doesn't count for the fact since the start of the "international era" major tournaments have expanded, furthermore I do think that a big problem for our quality of players is funding for youth academies and systems, as teams are better served paying large sums for overseas players rather than developing their own. Just look at Newcastle, some of England's brightest stars have come from their region (Shearer, Gazza, Robson, Bruce, recently Carrick to name just a few) yet their youth facilities and system hasn't had investment in 15 years, because it's all too easy to bring in a boatload of Ligue 1 players every summer. At the very least Brexit might force the hand of many of the owners of English clubs and get them to invest/support their youth systems.

I assume you will do a video as to Why Brexit is "Good for the England Team"? I actually suspect it will make little or no difference to the quality of players that we currently produce, the issue we have is that for the last 20 years we have had 2nd tier foreign managers leading our great nation in International Tournaments.

There's also the huge disadvantage that comes with the lack of familiarity of opponent. Currently, English players in the Premier League will be used to players representing the national team of many other nations. They'll train and play with foreign players (and thus potential national team opposition) week in, well out. They are familiar with other players and how they operate. Having less foreign players will mean that they are less comfortable/aware of these foreign players and thus will find it tougher to play against them in the international tournaments.

@harrierjames7727

5 жыл бұрын

@Essence Wolf I clearly said "having less", not having none! Obviously there will still be lots of foreign players in the UK, but it's fair to assume that the proportion of Premier League player who are not homegrown will decrease.

This was a really interesting video. Thanks for taking the time to make it!

Surely if it sets a higher bar the percentage of English players should increase each year and not decrease.