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What happened to the 'magic' of the FA Cup?
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Today, the FA Cup is no longer revered like it once was. Contrary to many fans’ beliefs, it was not the BBC’s over- usage of the phrase ‘magic of the Cup’ which actually killed the magic, but something much simpler.
Club rationality and business-like thinking killed the lofty reputation of the cup, as many realised that the competition acted as little more than a distraction from the serious business.
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  • @thefacup
    @thefacup5 жыл бұрын

    👀

  • @TomaTTC23

    @TomaTTC23

    5 жыл бұрын

    oof

  • @bobbill6680

    @bobbill6680

    5 жыл бұрын

    Epic

  • @chineybwoy1516

    @chineybwoy1516

    5 жыл бұрын

    The Emirates FA Cup F

  • @Mad_Intalect

    @Mad_Intalect

    5 жыл бұрын

    LOL smh.

  • @Wolf-hd1hr

    @Wolf-hd1hr

    5 жыл бұрын

    😂😂

  • @blockscycfc
    @blockscycfc5 жыл бұрын

    For clubs like mine (york), non league teams and lower non league teams. The FA Cup is huge. It’s just bigger teams who don’t consider it a big competition anymore

  • @Zach-mw5so

    @Zach-mw5so

    5 жыл бұрын

    GEORGE YCFC Yea there’s always a chance a big upset can happen, because maybe the larger clubs want to rest players or to give bench players a start

  • @andyb8349

    @andyb8349

    5 жыл бұрын

    Man City could win the FA Cup without playing agains a single team from the top 10 of the Premier league has that ever happened before ?

  • @fremmer007

    @fremmer007

    5 жыл бұрын

    Which is sad, because they still win the cups. Even when they play their subs..

  • @notdaveschannel9843

    @notdaveschannel9843

    5 жыл бұрын

    @George YCFC Definitely true. It's big for the fans 'cos of the whole romance of the thing but it's also a lottery where that club can transform their finances. Draw a Prem team away and they're getting 45% of a big pot of money. Even if they're playing a non-Prem team they might be on TV. Warrington town made it to the 2nd round in 14/15 and both games were televised (Exeter on the BBC and Gateshead on BT). That earned them the equivalent of 70% of their total revenue for the previous season. That can mean survival for club.

  • @mohammedelmi7321

    @mohammedelmi7321

    5 жыл бұрын

    For the past 30 years, 30-32 winners of the FA Cup has been premier league teams, where 30 of them were the elite. Don't get that argument that top teams don't care.

  • @Sam-gf6ue
    @Sam-gf6ue5 жыл бұрын

    The 50/50 ticket revenue split is huge for smaller clubs.

  • @Sam-gf6ue

    @Sam-gf6ue

    5 жыл бұрын

    @Wilfred "I Tapped Dat Ass" Kensington oh really? That's amazing

  • @minjusears

    @minjusears

    5 жыл бұрын

    It's still big for small clubs, but the TV revenue rights for big teams just isnt as important anymore hence you see weaker teams fielded by premier league sides which then makes the wins for smaller sides less special

  • @holdthisoak5767

    @holdthisoak5767

    4 жыл бұрын

    Wilfred "I Tapped Dat Ass" Kensington stfu. Pussi ass virgin

  • @Jayzuh

    @Jayzuh

    4 жыл бұрын

    Wilfred "I Tapped Dat Ass" Kensington ‘a disgrace’ mate you’re the disgrace

  • @bdrummond7102
    @bdrummond71025 жыл бұрын

    Arsenal fan here - we still feel the magic. Granted, it's been our only magic for over a decade.

  • @kaissersreich

    @kaissersreich

    4 жыл бұрын

    And we still feel the magic yesterday

  • @Travisbig7

    @Travisbig7

    4 жыл бұрын

    Number 14!! Coyg 🔴⚪

  • @arnavlama1158

    @arnavlama1158

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@Travisbig7 Anthony Taylor motm

  • @Travisbig7

    @Travisbig7

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@arnavlama1158 lol too much salt isn't good for you bro

  • @arnavlama1158

    @arnavlama1158

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@Travisbig7 that was never a red and they didn't even looked once at martinez's handball

  • @randomshotz13
    @randomshotz135 жыл бұрын

    "Blaming it on the Premier league would be over simplistic" ... "[it was] due to one man's decision to invest in football over pornography"

  • @Slackboy72

    @Slackboy72

    4 жыл бұрын

    I'd like to hear more about this "pornography" business.

  • @Evemeister12

    @Evemeister12

    4 жыл бұрын

    Imagine how amazing the world of porn would've been if football didn't get in the way.

  • @joshuathomas2012

    @joshuathomas2012

    4 жыл бұрын

    @FlamePhoenix 😂😂😂

  • @Rasmus_77

    @Rasmus_77

    3 жыл бұрын

    Westbourne Park fuck pornography who cares it’s pointless you can get brainwashed

  • @gspvideo5543

    @gspvideo5543

    3 жыл бұрын

    Martin Tyler "next up it's Debbie Does Dallas.... ANNNDD IT'S LIIIVVEE"

  • @romiarkan450
    @romiarkan4505 жыл бұрын

    They should hold the semifinals outside of Wembley again. Each team's journey to be able to play for the FA Cup at Wembley is part of the magic.

  • @tins5650

    @tins5650

    5 жыл бұрын

    Exactly

  • @paapo.

    @paapo.

    5 жыл бұрын

    Brilliant ideas

  • @arun840

    @arun840

    5 жыл бұрын

    It’s a good idea but then teams like Wigan and Portsmouth would be in the UCL

  • @alistairwall5470

    @alistairwall5470

    5 жыл бұрын

    Arun You replied to the wrong comment mate

  • @Nuttybott

    @Nuttybott

    5 жыл бұрын

    They knocked Wembley down about 15 years ago...that thing they put in its place hasn't the same magic feel or atmosphere, and never will have it...

  • @jhawk889
    @jhawk8895 жыл бұрын

    The magic of the cup still lives on, just in smaller teams. AFC Wimbledon flirted with relegation all year but the fans were in love with their run to the Fifth Round Proper. It's those moments that make the FA Cup beautiful

  • @majindevon
    @majindevon5 жыл бұрын

    Wenger is right. Any domestic cup is an indication of roster strength and player endurance. Easily an important cup.

  • @johnpannebaker5757
    @johnpannebaker57575 жыл бұрын

    One thing you missed: Too many Cup competitions. If it was just the league and the FA Cup, I believe that would make a major difference

  • @mahiru20ten

    @mahiru20ten

    5 жыл бұрын

    Yeah, there are also the EFL Cup for the top 4 divisions, EFL Trophy for the League One and League Two, FA Trophy for all 4 divisions under League Two and FA Vase for divisons 9-11, other than the FA Cup.

  • @Hartwik

    @Hartwik

    2 ай бұрын

    Thats just an excuse. Other countries have 2 league cups plus the national cup. The real reason for the FA Cup losing its magic is it gives less money than champions league and the premier league. Another reason is the premier league and champions league have just grown so much financially and culturally that the FA Cup has become second fiddle. In countries where the national cup have larger cash prizes and is advertised well , the national cup is seen as equal to the league title in prestige

  • @lofcmatt
    @lofcmatt5 жыл бұрын

    You didn’t mention Manchester United not entering in 2000 - that was a huge blow.

  • @dennisbaxter5447

    @dennisbaxter5447

    4 жыл бұрын

    To me that was the nail in the coffin.

  • @jcronin3155

    @jcronin3155

    4 жыл бұрын

    They are a scummy club.

  • @kieranpugh5342

    @kieranpugh5342

    4 жыл бұрын

    Didn't they play in club world cup

  • @jackistan2560

    @jackistan2560

    4 жыл бұрын

    John Cronin We were forced to play in the CWC...

  • @ahmedrahim2500

    @ahmedrahim2500

    4 жыл бұрын

    Yeah we were playing in the CWC.

  • @AshPaddyM
    @AshPaddyM5 жыл бұрын

    It felt bloody amazing when Arsenal won it after that 10 year trophy drought. I can't remember the last time I felt such joy being an Arsenal fan lol.

  • @sodaking6858

    @sodaking6858

    5 жыл бұрын

    Lol same with united in 2016 after a 12 year drought I'll never forget that semi final where David De Gea saved a penalty from Lukaku and then Martial ran the field and scored in the 88th minute to send us into the final and the final was an example of a game that should have been easy for us to win but we made it a lot harder on ourselves after conceding the first goal eventually Mata got the equaliser I can't remember what minute but it was a too close for comfort then watching Jesse Lingard score the winner in extra time to finally see my team lift the fa cup I was 5 the last time they had won it previous now alls left is champions league yes I know I was 9 in 08 but I was not allowed to stay up to watch the extra time of course knowing my luck I was allowed to watch the entire of 2009,2011 champions league finals but yea and dont even get me starred on the QPR disaster

  • @rohithraman6488

    @rohithraman6488

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@sodaking6858 Wasn't that the last pen De Gea has saved to date? Cause I was thinking about it during the UEL final shootout

  • @JakePetrolhead
    @JakePetrolhead5 жыл бұрын

    I'd counter this by saying that the Magic of the FA Cup is still there - if not at the elite level. The prize money from the FA cup is massive for clubs in Non-League, and a good cup run has a certain allure to fans of clubs lower down the pyramid. For example, my club, Winchester City, went on a cup run to the Fourth Qualifying Round, our best since the 1950's. On top of that, we had a huge away day to Torquay United, which is perhaps the finest day I've ever had at a sporting event. So whilst the big boys in the Premier League discount the competition, the magic of the FA Cup can still be found in Non-League. It's easy to forget just how much football takes place below the Premier League.

  • @aotc7327

    @aotc7327

    5 жыл бұрын

    Jakepetrolhead well said

  • @SonicSP

    @SonicSP

    5 жыл бұрын

    In other words, nobody cares.

  • @seventeenseconds1698

    @seventeenseconds1698

    5 жыл бұрын

    SonicSP You’re a nail.

  • @tombaker6753

    @tombaker6753

    5 жыл бұрын

    Agreee. My local team (Stourbridge fc) in the 7th tier of England made it to the 2nd round twice and the 3rd round, beating league 1 and 2 teams on the way. The hype of the town and the money generated was immense! The fa cup is EVERYTHING for lower non league clubs.

  • @fremmer007

    @fremmer007

    5 жыл бұрын

    I love this comment.

  • @briansergeant
    @briansergeant5 жыл бұрын

    United not participating in the 1999-2000 FA Cup because the FA wanted them in the convoluted FIFA Club World Cup because they thought it would "boost" their 2006 World Cup hosting bid ruined the "magic" too.

  • @rohithraman6488

    @rohithraman6488

    2 жыл бұрын

    Maybe if people since then cared more about it and watched more FA Cup games?

  • @ivaneurope
    @ivaneurope5 жыл бұрын

    Also another key factor killed the interest in not only the FA cup, but the domestic cups in general - the Champions League. Since 1992, when the genesis of UCL began, the competition expanded to include non-champions from the top leagues in Europe. This in fact killed the second most important competition - the domestic cup winners qualified for the UEFA Cup Winners Cup, the competition for the domestic cup winners, but the ever growing expansion of the Champions League meant that domestic cup winners entered UCL instead by finishing 2nd or 3rd in their domestic league. By 1999 the CWC was just a shadow of its former glory and although it was still considered the second most important European club competition, UEFA decided to kill it, merging it with the UEFA Cup. The thing is not many teams see the domestic cup win for anything important even if the winner had torrid season in the league and/or in Europe. For a team like Barcelona the Copa del Rey is just another trophy won by them as La Liga and Champions League are more important for them. Now the FA Cup final between Manchester City and Watford is a final in which both teams will want to win. City, who failed to reach further than 1/4 Final in the UCL, can win the domestic treble having wraped up the Premier League and EFL Cup. Watford failed to finish 7th in the PL and will want to win the FA Cup as it guarantees Europa League matches.

  • @rolandtheheadlesstho

    @rolandtheheadlesstho

    5 жыл бұрын

    Yes, the UCL killed the other European tournaments. We were better off with the classic European Cup, UEFA-Cup for place 2 to 4 and CWC. It's just about the money at the end of the day

  • @sodaking6858

    @sodaking6858

    5 жыл бұрын

    You think that's why Watford want to win the fa cup nah man they really want to win it because they have never won a top fight trophy before the fa cup is close to 150 years old and Watford have never won it

  • @SinnohGreen
    @SinnohGreen5 жыл бұрын

    This is the best Cup for a couple of years, it’s not two top six teams this season and most of us want Watford to grind out a victory, or smash some goals past them.

  • @tombaker6753

    @tombaker6753

    5 жыл бұрын

    Wolves, Watford and Brighton all made it to the semi finals. But it’s because the top 6 play their reserves which kills the magic of the cup

  • @GuinessOriginal

    @GuinessOriginal

    5 жыл бұрын

    Tom Baker city haven't played their reserves once. They even played a full strength side to Burton Albion

  • @RB-NZ2

    @RB-NZ2

    5 жыл бұрын

    Guinness they have no reserves to play they’re a money club notice how their only youth player is foden who ain’t even that deep

  • @uptospeed5401

    @uptospeed5401

    5 жыл бұрын

    Lew NotAJew as a wolves fan who went to Wembley watched us both grind up against Shrewsbury and topple united I can say the fa cup is magical

  • @ghostfacevillah

    @ghostfacevillah

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@RB-NZ2 city have a tonne of reserves, even as other clubs like leicester, real madrid and dortmund keep buying them

  • @Kanfachan
    @Kanfachan5 жыл бұрын

    My suggestions of returning the FA Cup to prominence: 1. Single out the cup final to have it's own special day (Already being done). And treat it in a similar fashion to the way the yanks do with the Super Bowl. By that I mean, sell the rights to commercial slots. This would immediately eliminate the BBC as a sponsors. 2. Only host the final at Wembley. The semi's should be held at neutral grounds across the country...the way it used to be done. This will go someway to restoring the allure and mystic of "the road to Wembley" that IS part of the competition. 3. The winner of the cup should attain the 4th spot of the UCL, unless that club already has finished 3rd or higher. Then, the 4th spot should be decided by a playoff match between the club that get's 4th and the FA cup runner up. If both the winner and runner up of the FA cup finished 3rd or higher, then the club that finished 4th in the league would qualify for UCL 4. Sell the rights to televise the competition to the highest bidder (multiple networks if possible).

  • @HonestFarmerLigue1Fan

    @HonestFarmerLigue1Fan

    3 жыл бұрын

    @murray1234567891011 It is nice to dream and have opinions, but sorry not gonna happen. Manu killed FA Cup (and League Cup) when they called Liverpool as Mickey Mouse for winning domestic cups. Crying over spilled milk is pointless

  • @richard35791

    @richard35791

    3 жыл бұрын

    Sorry disagree with semifinal part, many smaller club make through semifinal but rarely makes final

  • @RodrigoroRex

    @RodrigoroRex

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@richard35791 Bro only 4 teams reach the semis...

  • @richard35791

    @richard35791

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@RodrigoroRex you missed my point

  • @steveluckhurst2350

    @steveluckhurst2350

    3 жыл бұрын

    oh go on then, make it all about the money.

  • @cookiequacky8615
    @cookiequacky86154 жыл бұрын

    Ah man, this title still saddens me. So sad to see a competition like this fall so far. It hit the ground after Aubameyang dropped it. A sad death.

  • @joji1235

    @joji1235

    3 жыл бұрын

    😂😂😂😂

  • @cookiequacky8615

    @cookiequacky8615

    3 жыл бұрын

    Caleb Gosa yes

  • @uncreative5766

    @uncreative5766

    3 жыл бұрын

    I hope you can feel better knowing that Leicester won the FA Cup. I know the cynics will say, "Oh, another Premier League club won, and the days of a 3rd Division side lifting the trophy are over," but I hope today gives you a bit more hope in its future.

  • @milohargreaves9282
    @milohargreaves92825 жыл бұрын

    True football fans still adore the FA cup.

  • @Wolf-hd1hr

    @Wolf-hd1hr

    5 жыл бұрын

    Well fa cup is a nice cup to win, But winning the league is much more important.(and much more financially rewarding too)

  • @milohargreaves9282

    @milohargreaves9282

    5 жыл бұрын

    Wolf that’s the issue with modern football, it’s wrong that some clubs think they are too big for the fa cup. This video capitalise the issue which is money as you don’t see the kids getting played when the champions league comes around 👀.

  • @tadieabeki5447

    @tadieabeki5447

    4 жыл бұрын

    Damn right they do.

  • @jackjerram3550

    @jackjerram3550

    4 жыл бұрын

    This was probably Liverpool's priority for this season: 1. Premier League 2. Champions League 3. Club World Cup 4. Super Cup 5. FA Cup Big teams only care if they've had a shocker of a season and need to win the Cup to get Europa League football

  • @qayyuma9622

    @qayyuma9622

    4 жыл бұрын

    Wtf is a true football fan

  • @samsamsamsam7
    @samsamsamsam75 жыл бұрын

    the 2014 Final between Hull and Arsenal was and probably will always be the best football match ive ever seen. Even as an Arsenal fan, seeing the Tigers batter us early and somehow we claw our way back; is something you never see in the league matches. I love the FA cup games, regardless of the money there is involved, those matches are always a must watch for me.

  • @snipedotgenius
    @snipedotgenius5 жыл бұрын

    This is the cup that made me fall in love with the whole game as a child growing up the cup final days were the best from morning until the final itself .. Pack of custard creams and a tea 😂😂

  • @jackhakken
    @jackhakken5 жыл бұрын

    Problem is... The fucking magic is still there.... Big time, remember Wigan athletic in 2013? It was incredible.

  • @sodaking6858

    @sodaking6858

    5 жыл бұрын

    A freak result as good as it was that's it really

  • @EAMCFC

    @EAMCFC

    5 жыл бұрын

    I'm a man city fan I was really annoyed at the time but now I'm just saying well done to them

  • @justsomeone6966

    @justsomeone6966

    5 жыл бұрын

    And portsmouth in 2008?

  • @firstnamelastname364

    @firstnamelastname364

    5 жыл бұрын

    I'd say Arsenal v Hull the next year was better. a lot more exciting as a game. though i am a biased arsenal fan

  • @rorsabest
    @rorsabest5 жыл бұрын

    I feel like this question is very very contextual. Speaking from experience; seeing Newport County beat Leeds, Leicester, Middlesborough and having friggen Tottenham and Man City come to Rodney Parade is incredible on an unparalleled level... Plus, the money County earned from those cup runs the last 2 years have arguably allowed them to build a decent league 2 squad. Of course it's not what it used to be for the FA as a whole - but it's still an incredible opportunity for small sides

  • @raptors887
    @raptors8875 жыл бұрын

    I watched a lot of FA Cup matches this year and teams were playing their best lineups more often than not. It’s still an important trophy.

  • @lucathemovieguy431
    @lucathemovieguy4315 жыл бұрын

    Can you do something about UEFA's poor decision making in locating the Europa League final in Baku

  • @ImranKhan-je2qz

    @ImranKhan-je2qz

    4 жыл бұрын

    *Welcome to Baku, this place sounds like a planet from the Star Wars franchise, and by the looks of it the fans are in a galaxy far far away!*

  • @miguelpereira9859

    @miguelpereira9859

    4 жыл бұрын

    Money.

  • @dangerhawk8799

    @dangerhawk8799

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@ImranKhan-je2qz I see ur a man of culture as well

  • @Rocco-dp3pp

    @Rocco-dp3pp

    3 жыл бұрын

    Imran Khan ah yes...... 442oons

  • @samuelgatere7806

    @samuelgatere7806

    3 жыл бұрын

    An Olympic shaped stadium, fans are far away from the pitch

  • @dazzla84_ssfc
    @dazzla84_ssfc4 жыл бұрын

    I have to disagree, the FA Cup still has its magic, you just have to go into the qualifying rounds to find it. Prize money for the FA Cup in these early rounds can be lifesavers for non-league clubs

  • @NexusHydra
    @NexusHydra5 жыл бұрын

    I love the FA Cup as a man united fan. Seems like there's tons of articles telling us no one cares about the FA Cup but the fans certainly do.

  • @sodaking6858

    @sodaking6858

    5 жыл бұрын

    Fa cup is the 3rd most important trophy in england now

  • @shashankjayaram

    @shashankjayaram

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@sodaking6858 how? It's the 2nd most by a mile

  • @ZainabProductions

    @ZainabProductions

    5 жыл бұрын

    Soda King what’s the 2nd then?

  • @sodaking6858

    @sodaking6858

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@shashankjayaram I should have clarified I dont mean English trophy's I mean trophy's in general

  • @sodaking6858

    @sodaking6858

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@ZainabProductions meant to say trophy's in general

  • @KaboKeboletse
    @KaboKeboletse5 жыл бұрын

    I am of the opinion that the final CL spot should go to the FA Cup winners

  • @Mustieeee

    @Mustieeee

    5 жыл бұрын

    So a club not from England cant make it to the final

  • @anamrajbhandari6593

    @anamrajbhandari6593

    5 жыл бұрын

    Lenny Kabo Keboletse shut the FA cup

  • @umarabdaziz

    @umarabdaziz

    5 жыл бұрын

    I think he meant fa cup winner should go to cl instead of forth place. Unless the winner is also in top 3.

  • @anamrajbhandari6593

    @anamrajbhandari6593

    5 жыл бұрын

    Umar Abd Aziz what about the winners of copa ittalia,cops del Rey ??

  • @PrathamBatra

    @PrathamBatra

    5 жыл бұрын

    They already get a Europa League spot, that's more than enough

  • @catch22andys51
    @catch22andys515 жыл бұрын

    Maybe one of the Champions League spots should go to the winner of the FA Cup?

  • @ELCNUmorFnaMehT

    @ELCNUmorFnaMehT

    5 жыл бұрын

    Real talk

  • @morgengabe1

    @morgengabe1

    5 жыл бұрын

    @Tom Paganhandle United still wouldn't get a shout tbh.

  • @redarmy1886

    @redarmy1886

    5 жыл бұрын

    MeOhYesMe sorry mate but if you want spurs to win ucl you can't call yourself a gooner😂

  • @abdi2241

    @abdi2241

    5 жыл бұрын

    @TIR]SuperMilan888 chelsea won fa cup last year arsenal the year before

  • @timoe360

    @timoe360

    5 жыл бұрын

    Catch22 Andys The winner qualifies for the Europa league but if already qualified it goes to 7th spot (wolves). But should be champions league but I don’t think England could have potentially 6 teams in the same tournament that would be insane

  • @zvonomirzuboronovic8662
    @zvonomirzuboronovic86625 жыл бұрын

    The prospect of Chris Kamara reporting from a Brazzers set would've tempted me to subscribe to Sky for the first time ever.

  • @gigadonis8684

    @gigadonis8684

    3 жыл бұрын

    "WHAT A SHOT THERE LET'S HEAD DOWN TO MARTIN TYLER!!!" "GET IN THEREEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!! A MESMERIZING SHOT FROM 30 YARDS OUT!!! TAKE A BOW SERGIO AGUERO FOR SHOWING US THE IS THE MAGIC OF THE 69 CUP!!! Alan Smith what did you make of it?" "THAT WAS SUPERB! IT CAME AT RILEY REID LIKE A MISSILE SHE HAD NO CHANCE OF STOPPING THAT SHOT STUNNING WORK THERE!!!" "THAT COULD BE THE SHOT THAT TAKES THEM TO THE JAV WORLD CUP!!! SUPERB!!!"

  • @iangoldsworthy2056
    @iangoldsworthy20565 жыл бұрын

    What killed the F.A Cup was the Premier league clubs fielding second, third string sides in favour of their best sides to focus more on the league. Secondly the F.A Cup final being scheduled before the domestic season has ended. But I think the real reason was that Man United refused to enter the F.A Cup in the 1999/2000 to defend it due to contractual reasons for the World Club cup.

  • @rohithraman6488

    @rohithraman6488

    2 жыл бұрын

    Ironically it was the FA that forced United to play in it

  • @davidsabillon5182
    @davidsabillon51825 жыл бұрын

    I'm like addicted to this channel

  • @Nitro0xide

    @Nitro0xide

    5 жыл бұрын

    I'm addicted to u daddy

  • @izzojunior
    @izzojunior5 жыл бұрын

    The change became even more evident with Arsene Wenger and Ferguson rotating their squads in the late 90snot to mention Fegie skipping it in whole to play the club Cup in 2000, it’s still a wonderful tournament

  • @JayJay-vz1hm

    @JayJay-vz1hm

    5 жыл бұрын

    Btw Man Utd Skipping the FA cup in 2000 was down to the FA and their bid for the 2006 World Cup....

  • @Urlocallordandsavior
    @Urlocallordandsavior3 жыл бұрын

    Perhaps a way to revitalize the FA Cup is to give them automatic qualification to the Champions League round of 16/group stage, as a consolation for the now defunct Cup Winners' Cup tournament, of which currently the FA Cup winner's spot is given qualification to the Europa League group stage, which in my opinion is a downgrade from the specialty that was once the Cup Winners' Cup. As a bonus, perhaps you can also give the League Cup winners a place in the Champions League group stage or in the earlier qualifying rounds, as another path for the various nations' cup winners to advance in the Champions League, maybe slightly below clubs who finish higher in the league spots. Although I doubt that UEFA would give a hoot about these cup tournaments from its UEFA member countries but it's still worth putting this idea out there.

  • @adrianiliesi3213
    @adrianiliesi32135 жыл бұрын

    not even mentioning uefa and the UCL seems like a major omission...

  • @matthewvernon3774
    @matthewvernon37743 жыл бұрын

    I'm a 32 year old Blackburn and have seen us win the Premier League, the League Cup and reach the Last 32 in the UEFA Cup. I'd love to see us win the FA Cup, or even reach a final. I've been to 2 semis and losing in Extra Time to Chelsea in 2007 is still one of my most painful foitballing memories. We have a proud tradition in the FA Cup, the first team to win it 3 times in a row and 6 wins in total, the last coming in 1928. Our only other final since then, in 1960, we lost to Wolves. The most famous thing to come out of that match is Dave Whelan broke his leg, ending his career so he set up JJB Sports instead! All these stories live on, and while I'd love to see us back in the Premier League, an FA Cup would mean much more.

  • @alexmistlin6147
    @alexmistlin6147 Жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the vids amazing stuff x

  • @LukeDHarrison2002
    @LukeDHarrison20025 жыл бұрын

    Personally I still love the fa cup. It’s a great competition and it’s fantastic to see little teams knocking out big teams and going on cup-runs.

  • @kingeatking
    @kingeatking5 жыл бұрын

    The Premier League started with 22 teams and didn't get reduced to 20 teams until the 95/96 season.

  • @Vibez_K
    @Vibez_K5 жыл бұрын

    Incredible! video the video, the sound, and visual analysis is outstanding!

  • @andrewmichie8471
    @andrewmichie84715 жыл бұрын

    Loving this channel. Subbed. Keep up the good work 😁

  • @infrasleep
    @infrasleep5 жыл бұрын

    The cup started to die when they limited games to one replay and then penalty kicks, and when the final was decided on penalty kicks 130 years of history was trashed It killed the romance and work place debates Well done to Lincoln reaching the QF as a non league side but was anyone "shocked" or even romanced by it ? If that'd happened 40 years earlier we'd still be talking about it now the way we do about Sunderland's magical win in 1973. There's nothing anyone can do that will ever restore the Cup to it's former status , and when you have the "Champions" League contested by 2 clubs who haven't won the league title for 30 years and 59 years respectively and everyone thinks its great-what hope ? Maybe if the "Big" clubs all did bugger off and form a closed shop European "Super" (tedious) league, the old game might start reviving.

  • @espben360
    @espben3605 жыл бұрын

    For me FA Cup magic is definitely there. Lincoln city showed that couple years ago, and swanswa would have been next had it not been for some questionable refferee decisions going againts them vs city

  • @markpaulo269
    @markpaulo2695 жыл бұрын

    First game watched on tv, FA cup final 1970/71 Arsenal vs Liverpool, magic atmosphere while the first division was the bread and butter of football, times change 💰💰💰

  • @blackfalcon1324
    @blackfalcon13242 жыл бұрын

    The FA cup will always be special to me. Yes, the premier league is better, obviously, but the FA cup is what brings all the leagues, from amateur to premier together in the ultimate battle of skill. I think it is more important for lower leagues as it can allow them to get some attention if they do very well. Non league matters to.

  • @conahlestrange9794
    @conahlestrange9794 Жыл бұрын

    For me Ben Watsons goal for Wigan against City in the Final was the last moment of magic I felt for the cup I’m a united fan and I actually ended up going to the community shield the year after against Wigan they’d been relegated the same year they won it always hoped they’d come back up

  • @saiyerugara9038

    @saiyerugara9038

    7 ай бұрын

    Hmmmmmmmm... for me it was when Arsenal beat Chelsea in that final in 2017.

  • @deekyevans5235
    @deekyevans52355 жыл бұрын

    Good analysis and perspective. The other aspect was the FA Cup final used to be jewel and the main live televised football game at the end of the season

  • @carlbyronrodgers
    @carlbyronrodgers5 жыл бұрын

    Very informative.thank you.

  • @kaissersreich
    @kaissersreich4 жыл бұрын

    As an Arsenal fan, I love the FA Cup. The thing that I like the most about the FA Cup is when the Semi-Finals and the Finals were played at Wembley. For example 2017 Arsenal vs Chelsea was a big match with over 85 000 attendances at Wembley split between Arsenal and Chelsea supporters. It's still a big competition for me, it's just when some clubs (Chelsea, Man Utd) don't win it, they say that they never wanted to win the cup anyway, and that annoys me

  • @rohithraman6488

    @rohithraman6488

    3 жыл бұрын

    I'm a Chelsea fan and that is not true, we always take the FA Cup seriously. We were gutted after the Arsenal final last year cause we could have ended a fine first season under Lampard with a trophy, and also when we lost to Leicester, especially with the last minute disallowed goal. We always care about the cup.

  • @cooperrush6474
    @cooperrush64745 жыл бұрын

    Granted the FA Cup has fallen a long way but I think the magic is still there to some extent, and as an Atletico Madrid supporter I think English football fans should be grateful their their cup competition is still in a much better place than say, the Copa Del Rey or the Coppa Italia, which are both in absolute shambles. Germany's DFB Pokal is pretty much the only remaining example of a cup competition done right in European football.

  • @danegel
    @danegel5 жыл бұрын

    The Champions League expanding to include runners-up and such had a detrimental effect, making losing finalists increasingly compete in the Cup Winners' Cup as the winner had already qualified for the superior competition, which in turn caused the CWC to dissolve and pit cup winners with 6th-placed teams in UEFA's tertiary competition.

  • @de132
    @de1325 жыл бұрын

    You guys seemed to lift this directly from the book, Soccernomics.

  • @GuinessOriginal

    @GuinessOriginal

    5 жыл бұрын

    de132 yeah I think they've read it too

  • @mrkipling2201
    @mrkipling22015 жыл бұрын

    Money took over and all the clubs were worried about was finishing in the top 4 . The FA cup was the pinnacle of the season. I used to watch it from 9am until the end at about half 5. No matter who was playing.

  • @marcusrakyat8891
    @marcusrakyat88915 жыл бұрын

    FA Cup is the most iconic Cup in the world. Full of surprises.

  • @owl-arm7545
    @owl-arm75455 жыл бұрын

    From watching Coventry, Wimbledon and Wigan win the cup to Steven Gerrard's last minute equaliser against West Ham to watching Canvey Island beat Northampton Town, the FA Cup is pure magic! You just have to watch the kid crying in the crowd, when Havant & Waterlooville take the lead for a second time against Liverpool at Anfield, to realise the FA Cup is a thing of unrivalled beauty!

  • @jamesbudden6
    @jamesbudden65 жыл бұрын

    bloody good content, this.

  • @AldershotDave
    @AldershotDave5 жыл бұрын

    The Bradford City fire had nothing to do with hooliganism.

  • @firstnamelastname364

    @firstnamelastname364

    5 жыл бұрын

    Well it of course was a tragedy not caused by hooliganism. But if you rewatch the event you'll see a lot of the fans behaved like hooliganism while the fire was happening. I mean in retrospect I understand a lot of the teenagers wouldn't have realised how serious it was, but you can watch it back and see a lot of teens jumping in front of the cameras, dancing, laughing, etc. It wasn't caused by hooliganism, but the fans behaviour at the event didn't help to ease Britain's football hooliganism stereotype

  • @KinnyRiddle
    @KinnyRiddle5 жыл бұрын

    I'm surprised you completely neglected to mention the impact of the ever growing money-making monster that is the UEFA Champions League which further killed the glamour of the FA Cup.

  • @sodaking6858

    @sodaking6858

    5 жыл бұрын

    My opinion on what caused the slide of the fa cup was the year Manchester dropped out of it to focus on the champions league it was a huge embarrassment to the fa cup as united were the biggest team in england at that time and if they didn't enter the fa cup it was clearly not a good competition

  • @harrierjames7727
    @harrierjames77275 жыл бұрын

    The thing is that this video (and most media attention) focuses on stages of the FA Cup where there is little or no interest for the bigger clubs. But, start in August and right through until the first and even the second round, there are real fairytales and the clubs that make the competition the biggest cup competition in the world all battle it out for potential progression. It's wonderful, just not after a certain point.

  • @steamcleana_6918
    @steamcleana_69185 жыл бұрын

    Best video in a while apart from not mentioning smaller clubs

  • @ricardotella1864
    @ricardotella18644 жыл бұрын

    Its a lot better than that tinpot League Cup

  • @ronmac9522
    @ronmac95225 жыл бұрын

    Shifting it to a 17:00. kick off on a Saturday evening was a terrible move. I used to get excited on cup final day. You would get cup final swap shop and cup final saint and greaevsy. It was also the last match of the season.

  • @MrJimboCross
    @MrJimboCross3 жыл бұрын

    Still love the FA Cup. As a Birmingham fan it's great to draw a small team away and watch your team in a small ground somewhere

  • @tayeebhussain5014
    @tayeebhussain50142 жыл бұрын

    Great Channel 👍

  • @STFCHarry
    @STFCHarry3 жыл бұрын

    “The magic of the fa cup has gone” Me: *thinks about Shrewsbury 2-2 Liverpool*

  • @jimmyart007
    @jimmyart0075 жыл бұрын

    Video killed the FA Cup's star

  • @crazymonky256
    @crazymonky2565 жыл бұрын

    Great Video!

  • @uncreative5766
    @uncreative57664 жыл бұрын

    It's true to mention the NFL and NBA growing like crazy. It was a magical time for both sports. The 49ers were the eminent power of the league, but there were also the Monsters of the Midway Bears, Lawrence Taylor and the Giants. The Showtime Lakers were one of the most entertaining and dominant groups the NBA had ever seen. Michael Jordan was starting out, Larry Bird although aging, still showed he could be a force to be reckoned with. That being said, I wonder how the overall gap in population played a role between England, the FA, Football League, and fans, because it's hard to imagine even in the 80s the UK having anywhere near a population size of the US.

  • @narcolonarcolo
    @narcolonarcolo5 жыл бұрын

    I'm not even from the UK and I love the FA Cup. Definitely one of my top 3 coolest competitions in the world.

  • @ShaneJoshua1980
    @ShaneJoshua19805 жыл бұрын

    Th FA did by having semi's at Wembley I'd love it to go back to Villa Park, Anfield, Old Trafford, Highb....😪 Emirates. I must those days.

  • @leopold7562

    @leopold7562

    5 жыл бұрын

    I don't think that was what started it, but it certainly had a big impact. The FA made this change so they could recoup some of the huge expense they went to to build the new stadium, but it's not the fans that are to blame and yet we're the ones made to suffer. In the all Manchester semi final in 2011, it would've made sense to use Anfield or maybe Ewood Park, rather than have everyone slog down the M6.

  • @cplcummins
    @cplcummins3 жыл бұрын

    Very well researched, explained.

  • @paulmanton7817
    @paulmanton78172 жыл бұрын

    I remember when the FA cup final started a week before it was played

  • @aes1373
    @aes13735 жыл бұрын

    Why not have a qualification match for the last ucl spot between 4th place and fa cup winners. Winners of that match go to ucl and the losers to uel.

  • @nkskro80
    @nkskro805 жыл бұрын

    I’ve always believed that if the league cup was scrapped then making just one domestic cup competition then that would make the FA Cup more valued. Countries in Spain, Germany & Italy etc only have the league & one domestic cup competition.

  • @edwardcanning1577
    @edwardcanning15772 жыл бұрын

    Man u killed it !

  • @liquidmind534
    @liquidmind5345 жыл бұрын

    Great content :)

  • @coyotelong4349
    @coyotelong43495 жыл бұрын

    Same thing that killed everything in football- BIG MONEY

  • @LeedsUnitedJohn
    @LeedsUnitedJohn5 жыл бұрын

    I miss the excitement of the FA Cup as it used to be. The big Guys v the little Guys and the neutrals hoping for an FA Cup shock.

  • @Ese96Agoaye
    @Ese96Agoaye5 жыл бұрын

    "In England, you cannot be a big club, and say we don't care about the FA Cup". Cc: Tottenham Hotspur Cc: Leicester City (both should've had a proper cup run, but more so, the former). I feel the FA Cup has been a consolation trophy since 2013, but I glad that's not the case (for this season anyway), as the stakes are higher than ever! Manchester City has the pressure as everyone is talking them up as being the first side to win a domestic treble, but no one is talking up Watford, thus leaving them to play freely.

  • @muddabirulfahadchowdhury1247
    @muddabirulfahadchowdhury12475 жыл бұрын

    The last line had me 😂

  • @shx6ut229
    @shx6ut2295 жыл бұрын

    Why the league cup doesn't get scrapped? It should be premier league, fa cup and community shield, there is no need to league cup.

  • @cooperlindsay8185

    @cooperlindsay8185

    5 жыл бұрын

    fuck off, winning the league cup gets you into the europa and is valued as a good trophy to win by the top clubs

  • @cooperlindsay8185

    @cooperlindsay8185

    5 жыл бұрын

    literally would ruin the chance of any club doing the domestic treble

  • @shx6ut229

    @shx6ut229

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@cooperlindsay8185 who wins the trophy other then the top 6? The fa cup gives you a Europa league place also, what is the point of two cups in one season? The domestic treble can be won by winning the fa cup, the premier league and the shield. It should be scrapped imo, instead, the fa cup should get the importance it deserves.

  • @abbaszaidi8371

    @abbaszaidi8371

    5 жыл бұрын

    shx 6ut agreed- or how about like the FA Vase, remove premier league teams only as it’s the LEAGUE cup. It’ll raise the profile of the second tier teams- although could it still be a gateway to Europe?

  • @shx6ut229

    @shx6ut229

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@abbaszaidi8371 That won't bad also.

  • @rinaldiwahab4750
    @rinaldiwahab47505 жыл бұрын

    Fa cup is still as the most reputable domestic cup in the world, and for the lower league football, FA cup could give huge impact financially

  • @SGTStubble
    @SGTStubble5 жыл бұрын

    Good work, good video boys. Cheers from 'Merica

  • @praba991ify
    @praba991ify2 жыл бұрын

    Great content

  • @TheGiantKillers
    @TheGiantKillers5 жыл бұрын

    As a cup historian, there's no doubt this is true, and I write extensively on the cup every year. However, in the last couple of years, there have been green shoots of hope for the cup. Firstly, there's definitely been an upturn in interest in Giant Killing, which I attribute directly to Bradford's victory over Chelsea a few years ago. It rekindled something that had been largely snuffed out. Also, the strength of Premier League squads has meant that fielding a second string team no longer means fielding a weakened one. The squad system and strength in the Premier League has now seen a sea change whereby 15 years ago the top flight fielded a team of players some o their own fans could be forgiven for having thought they sold two years earlier. Now, on cup day the teams are much changed but still very strong and have been given a rebrand as 'the cup side' suggesting to the public. This is still a strong side worthy of the shirt they wear. This is less so in the Championship where second string sides are still very much that. The magic of the cup is still there, it's just a little tatty. What would fix it? 1: A recognition that the cup in England is special by offering a playoff against EPL 4th for that final coveted Champions League spot. 2: Reduced admission prices and special offer ticketing to fill the stadium on cup day. [That said, despite the suggestion, the big clubs don't fancy the cup anymore, Liverpool, Tottenham, Chelsea, Arsenal, and Everton rarely have an empty seat on 3rd round day even if the opponents are 4th tier. Only Manchester's duo seem to struggle to get a full gate.

  • @Taeerom

    @Taeerom

    5 жыл бұрын

    The problem of reducing ticket prices is that it also devalues your product. I think it was an head of marketing at some American club that said something of the nature of "you can do anything to increase attendance, sell beer at a loss, have big lotteries, free T-shirts, whatever. But never ever reduce the price of attendance". His logic was that nobedy would by the ticket again next week if it was more expensive than when they bought it the first time. But if they had a good experience, that good experience is in the forefront of their mind and are likely to want to go again, even if the reason they went the first time was a free T-shirt.

  • @TheGiantKillers

    @TheGiantKillers

    5 жыл бұрын

    @Christian Hernandez ill give you more time to put the words cup and historian together and think about it but as a clue. The cup has a history which I've written about to the extent of getting occasionally paid for it

  • @pakyip9267
    @pakyip92675 жыл бұрын

    The magic was gone when the rivalry between SAF and Arsene in the FA Cup no longer exists. But AFC still the FA Cup club for the time being ... For top English clubs prioritising the EPL or UCL glory, it can be seen as a distraction. However, any teams cannot get far in Europa League, its a trophy that means a lot. So, Watford, it's the highlight of their season. But true; these days money talk and the clubs desperate for EPL survival just for the money to pay their salaries and keep the clubs going. FA Cup is just for sporting reasons. A trophy if failing elsewhere all season.

  • @johnpacino007
    @johnpacino0073 жыл бұрын

    The same could be said for the world cup vs the champions league & the rise of " super teams ". All the best players from the world, pocketed in a handful of clubs across Europe. There's no chance national teams can compete with that. Imagine if this had happened in the late 1960s & you had Pelé, Best, Beckenbauer, in the same team?

  • @tarkanbashllari1627
    @tarkanbashllari16273 жыл бұрын

    South America clearly shows one way of returning the magic of the FA Cup. In most South American countries, the cup winner qualifies for the Copa Libertadores (think of it as UCL). You could practically be mid-table, fighting for relegation, or a second/third/fourth/whatever tier club and you could still qualify for the Libertadores by winning your own country's cup. It doesn't sound like a very good idea but at the very least it would suddenly make the FA Cup a big thing again because let's face it, I don't think you could be a big club and not care about a competition where a Champions League spot is at stake.

  • @widerspacefanz4316

    @widerspacefanz4316

    2 жыл бұрын

    I'm sorry but Libertadores is not like UCL. It's more like UEL nor uefa super cup since libertadores is just a competition between the best club in south america but no team from north and central america in the competition. Copa Interamericana was the closer thing that we can think of it as UCL because it was a competition between the best club from Concacaf and Conmebol in overall back then. However, they abolished this cup immidiately after the last one in 1998 which won by north american team. Guess what ? The football competition in a whole American continent would've be growing bigger if interamericana still exist.

  • @matteastwood87
    @matteastwood875 жыл бұрын

    Lee Cattermole is the true magic of the FA Cup

  • @firstnamelastname364

    @firstnamelastname364

    5 жыл бұрын

    true. since the best defender Benoit Assou Ekotto has stopped playing a the top level, Cattermole is now what keeps the magic maintained for me

  • @CaptainOvious123
    @CaptainOvious1235 жыл бұрын

    Interesting how you glossed over Utd pulling out of the FA Cup in 99-00 to focus on international club football

  • @20timesmanunited20

    @20timesmanunited20

    5 жыл бұрын

    FA wanted us to play in it to help England's world cup bid.

  • @CaptainOvious123

    @CaptainOvious123

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@20timesmanunited20 Right, but that's still a major reason why the FA Cup has lost is popularity

  • @henriktiger9073
    @henriktiger90735 жыл бұрын

    The Carabao (EFL) Cup is a major reason why big Premier League clubs care less about the FA Cup. Between 38 domestic league games, Champions/Europa League, 2 domestic cups, and national teams, it’s too many games. Since the big clubs care more about Champions/Europa League and winning the Premier League, the domestic cups get put on the back burner.

  • @normanby100
    @normanby1004 жыл бұрын

    The trouble is that the Championship play off final at Wembley has overtaken the FA Cup final become the season's true climax match.

  • @dnstone1127
    @dnstone11275 жыл бұрын

    What about the Crappybao, EFL, League cup ?

  • @miguelbeedle3042
    @miguelbeedle30425 жыл бұрын

    What does Bielsa think of the fa cup?

  • @matucomedes

    @matucomedes

    5 жыл бұрын

    You're so original dude 👏👏👏

  • @doctorjungle5751

    @doctorjungle5751

    4 жыл бұрын

    If he can spy on it it’s fine.

  • @MrMexxy
    @MrMexxy5 жыл бұрын

    The closing statement.. epic!

  • @matheusfiorelli8829
    @matheusfiorelli88295 жыл бұрын

    here in Brazil, our Domestic Cup qualifiies to the Copa Libertadores, so if they give the Cup winner a spot in the Champions League, teams would look at it with other eyes

  • @paulkalibbala1339
    @paulkalibbala13395 жыл бұрын

    The funny thing is Sunderland won more prize money for finishing dead last in the Premier League 2016/17 season than what Real won when winning the CL the same season.

  • @cim888
    @cim8883 жыл бұрын

    If your club has $100 million team why risk them for injury for a 5m prize for winning it?

  • @kieran8845
    @kieran8845 Жыл бұрын

    As a Liverpool supporter I was elated when we won the FA cup last time round. I still and always will see it as a prestigious major trophy there's so much rich history to this tournament and it's recognized on a global scale .

  • @steveluckhurst2350
    @steveluckhurst23503 жыл бұрын

    In the last 5 cup finals how many of the players were British and therefore understood it's importance to the domestic game? It's not just another cup, it was part of everyone's childhood, especially those of us old enough to remember all day coverage, from team bus right through to post match interviews. ,

  • @josephroy7773
    @josephroy77735 жыл бұрын

    Could you do a video on the rise and fall of Bolton Wanderers?

  • @adamphillip5305

    @adamphillip5305

    5 жыл бұрын

    There was a rise?

  • @benphipps6498

    @benphipps6498

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@adamphillip5305 they finished 6th in the Premier League in the mid 2000s and had players like Okocha, Djorkaeff, Diouf and Speed. Feel free to show your ignorance though.

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