I've never heard a more incorrect/ delusional take on the final cut.

@Judgeholden95

7 ай бұрын

Nah the international cut with voiceover and the eye gouging scene is the best version

it went over your head i see

Another silly criticism you mention is why Deckard has to look for photos when he already saw "rotating heads" of the replicants ... BUT of course he needs the photos to look for clues as to their whereabouts, their disguise etc right ? REmember they are hiding among throngs of human crowds? You cannot start shooting anyone that bears a resemblance to the rotating heads right ?? The shimmering things in the photo bring Deckard to the snake performance show remember ? FACEPALM ...

Kid, I think you missed the point of the final cut

Well worth it for changing the blue lights to teal, and the shot of the dove flying away

@88feji

3 жыл бұрын

Personally I hate the new shot of the dove flying away, the background buildings look like a mix and match patchwork of different building styles which differs very much to the building styles in the rest of the movie, and the lighting color toning is sooooo different from the rooftop scenes ... it really looks like a sore thumb sticking out of the beauty of the rest of the movie ...

The Final Cut is the one to see. This video really doesn't make a good argument and pointlessly complains a lot. The studio's demanded changes/additions back in the theatrical version were so hamfisted, shoehorned, overstating the obvious, and clashing with the rest of the movie. Maybe a little narration could have worked but it was done pretty badly.

I would like to have a version where there is no narration, the movie ends at the elevator, there is no unicorn dream bs and the movie has the color balance of the Director's Cut.

@Thicc_Cheese_Dip

2 жыл бұрын

There's probably a fan edit just as you describe that's out there.

@Trusteft

2 жыл бұрын

@@Thicc_Cheese_Dip I could make one if I had the two movies off bluray. Perhaps one day..

@Thicc_Cheese_Dip

2 жыл бұрын

@@Trusteft I think there’s a box set of all the versions of Blade Runner. What you want sounds like the “Harrison Ford Cut” of the movie.

The problem with your video is: you barely focus on the content your video-title promises... and even in the beginning its kind of promising a comparison between directors cut and final cut. But there is literally nothing about it. What you say the whole video, is just a critic about the movie itself. This should be expressed more precisely in your video-title, and not saying ''why the FINAL CUT sucks ...'' (and the directors cut dont ?) Sorry, thats not enough for a thumbs-up

@VaughnJogVlog

2 жыл бұрын

I try not to say things not already said on KZread.

I agree with Harrison Ford and the screenwriter with not having the unicorn scene in. What does a scene that confirms the authenticity of deckard’s being serve when the story was building towards the theme that the authenticity of your being shouldn’t matter when your experiences in life are still unique making the boundaries between artificial and natural life meaningless and that both should be respected regardless.

@carldalord

Жыл бұрын

Giving evidence that Deckard is a replicant only helps that theme. If he was really a replicant that entire time, that only makes the idea more clear that the replicants and humans really aren’t that different from each other.

@drewjeers815

Жыл бұрын

My opinion is that ambiguity with Deckard would have been better for the movie. What didn't & wouldn't make sense before adding the unicorn scene was finding the paper unicorn. What was that supposed to mean with no dream?

@R0CKDRIG0

2 ай бұрын

@@drewjeers815 It was a signal by the guy that made the origamis that he passed by and let them live.

You make good points, but I didn't think the Final Cut had the voice over and Shining ending in it

@VaughnJogVlog

3 жыл бұрын

Final Cut has neither of those. It’s slightly longer than Director’s Cut, to the point that it’s not really worth making.

@UC4AQUgrQ9EwVIGoF0w7xHXg

2 жыл бұрын

@@VaughnJogVlog erroneous

I saw the original in the theater. And thought it was very nostalgic of old school noir movies I grew up with. I don't see any difference from any old school black and white noir move. Loved that mix of old and new. Both should be watched in order.

The "flaws" and "loopholes" you mention are things that 99.999% of viewers will not notice unless they scrutinise the movie by intentionally going back and forth every few seconds to find flaws on a mission ... it does not bother every other person one bit except you and maybe a few other people ... Such nit picking are frankly silly, movies are not meant to be scrutinised like scientific journals because the main point of making movies is to convey some meaningful messages and aesthetics, NOT to recreate a logically fool proof event. As long they are not committing glaring loopholes you should just appreciate them for the overall messages and aeasthetics they are trying to convey,, which is the whole point of movies !

supposedly a 3-4 hr workprint exists (or existed). would be curious to see it.

@VaughnJogVlog

2 жыл бұрын

Possibly. I’ve seen some rather extensive deleted sequences.

Which version of Blade runner you prefer to watch?

@VaughnJogVlog

3 жыл бұрын

I consider the theatrical as canon. Ford’s V/O isn’t great, but necessary in conveying the story and defining the noire detective motif. Fans disagree, but they don’t realize they’re only able to make sense of what’s going on because they had those gaps filled.

@88feji

3 жыл бұрын

+VaughnJogVlog Although its true that some people may not understand the movie without the voice-over .... BUT BUT BUT I would prefer these people to rewatch the movie a few times to understand it rather than have the movie explained to them at the cost of losing a lot of the atmospheric qualities and beauty we can only enjoy without an annoying smart-alecky voice yapping away .. don't you think ? I watched Blade Runner during the early years before it was widely discussed on the internet and I also did not understand what it was about (I was in my early teens then), it did not help that the video tape quality was so terrible you can hardly see or hear anything , everything was washed out ... BUT the visuals still managed to shine through the bad quality transfer and it made my repeat viewings a lot more enjoyable ... I was totally not bothered that I failed to understand it on first viewing, because the joy was to understand it gradually over repeat viewings.. a lot of great movies are like that, they are not trying to appeal to shallow audiences who are there for an easy ride ... auteurs does not stoop low for wide acceptance, thats why they are precious because they do what they want and have faith that some people out there are able to appreciate what they do ... non-populist movies are not easy to come by so why would anyone insist to dumb down the movies for the sake of making it a fast food movie ? (Can't blame Harrison Ford for creating such an annoying voice over though, he's probably forced to talk like that by the movie financiers..)

@YeeLeeHaw

3 жыл бұрын

@@VaughnJogVlog I have only seen the Final Cut and I made sense of it. It took multiple viewings of course but that's part of its beauty; it forces you to focus and pay more attention to the visual and ambient narration, and you become more sensitive to the smaller details.

@marx145

3 жыл бұрын

@@YeeLeeHaw gotta agree with you there, some of the audience is smart enough to put the pieces together themselves

@pepsiforbread1416

Ай бұрын

@@VaughnJogVlogyou really want to consume media that doesn’t force you to think?

Okay, so, I know this has nothing to do with the video, and that you're probably not gonna see this, but I have been looking for years on what the background track you're using in the video is called. Thanks.

@VaughnJogVlog

3 жыл бұрын

It’s called “Ambient Ambulance” and it’s available in the KZread audio library.

@littlelegoguy2736

3 жыл бұрын

@@VaughnJogVlog Damn, thanks. Also, interesting video, even if I don't necessarily agree with it.

Thank you! IMO: Workprint is the best version. No saxophone and no unicorn dream. Even though there’s temp music in the last third of the film, it’s still cool to hear sections of the original planet of the apes soundtrack in a different context.

My preferred cut is the extended fan edit that's adds back in the hospital scene. Also has an audio option with or without the narration.

@VaughnJogVlog

Жыл бұрын

The hospital scene is interesting in that it adds this comedic sidekick buddy element. Otherwise we have no idea that there is a relationship between Holden and Deckard.

I appreciate a differece of opinion; however, if only one version is availabe, I'll stick with the "The Final Cut". Let's not forget that that version was the one that Ridley Scott originally wanted to make and for us to see.

I wholeheartedly agree. I definitely side with the original version. Bizarre how they've tried to replace it with the Final Cut when it feels like you're getting less. Lol. I could see the case with Luca's Star Wars updates replacing the originals... But Blade Runner: The Final Cut removes a lot of what people liked about the movie in the first place. The text crawl, Ford's narration and the escape from the dystopia gave the film a dreamlike quality that a vague reference to a unicorn in the Final Cut doesn't better. Face it, The Final Cut doesn't Cut it.

I normally don't comment on KZread but this take was so bad i felt compelled to say something.

@VaughnJogVlog

Жыл бұрын

And you wasted your one chance to say something that I would read. The next time you want to attack a creator, at least support your own opinion.

@grumpybunny

4 ай бұрын

Yeah, you fucking suck. You didn't say anything in your video either. Love how defensive you get. I've never said anything this negative on a video, and I make comments all the time. I like to support creators. That's how much you fucking suck.

I only watch blade runner on my old sony crt, i just like the way the directors cut looks on there so i really dont even care for a remastered version

@nighttrain1236

2 жыл бұрын

It's a whole new experience on blue ray (or even 4k) on a big flat screen, believe me.

I just hate the green colour grading

@VaughnJogVlog

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I should have gotten into that. There have been other films recently restored or remastered in some way that lost their original color palette. I don’t see how that’s necessary or even gets approved.

@VicerFx

3 жыл бұрын

I guess they just want to give them that "blockbuster feel"

Another thing, you say that its not convincing to have Deckard as a replicant hunting another replicant as he's kind of weak ... BUT isn't it obvious that giving Deckard superhuman abilities will make him immediately suspect that he's actually a replicant himself and betray turn against humans due to sympathy for his own kind by tribal instinct ? And you fail to comprehend that the alternative of using human police to hunt replicants is even worst ! The whole point of using replicants to hunt replicants is you don't have to risk human police lives to do the job, as human lives are considered a lot more precious than replicant lives ... And if you are going to use a replicant to hunt other replicants, there is a likelihood of the repliant hunter switching sides due to sympathy for their own kind .. tribal instincts ! Thats why the police came up with the idea of making the replicant hunters think that they are humans so that they will be less likely to betray their human employers due to thinking that they are protecting their own kind by hunting down replicants. (Thats why they place so many ancestral photos on Deckard's piano to entrench in him the belief that he's a human with human ancestors ... just like how Rachel was tricked into thinking she's a human by the "mom's" photo in her possession) But to convince them that they are humans, you cannot give their superhuman abilities as it will immediately make them suspicious that they are in fact replicants ! Get it ? Sure, Deckard gets beaten up badly but notice he do seems more resilient to beatings than normal humans, thats enough to make him last longer than a human police and it will not arouse too much suspicion of his real identity. Also he's equipped with a powerful gun which the replicants have no access to due to fear of being tracked down by the gun's tracking device ... Eventually even if they lose Deckard, they can still manufacture another 10 Deckards , its a lot better than losing human police lives...

@aidentucker4531

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you

@sirmustardofhousemayonnais9907

3 жыл бұрын

Yet they let a human hunt the replicants and he ended up in the hospital, so you're argument still doesn't work lol

@annaclarafenyo8185

3 жыл бұрын

@@sirmustardofhousemayonnais9907 The idea is that all the healthy humans are off-world, there's no able-bodied men left to do the job, so they have to make one. Deckard is newly manufactured at the start of the film, with false memories of being a retired blade-runner, probably acquired implanted from the origami guy and the guy who got blown away at the start.

@MediaBuster

2 жыл бұрын

Right you make the guy's point. Which is why he shoulnd't be a replicant. It made no sense.

@88feji

2 жыл бұрын

@@sirmustardofhousemayonnais9907 Oh my ... dear, its precisely because of cases like Holden getting horribly injured or killed that Deckard is created to see if its possible to solve the problem. Facepalm .. And Holden as a human blade runner will still be needed to perform the dangerous task if the experiment of using a replicant (Deckard) to hunt other replicant is newly implemented and not yet fully tested before ... right ? Deckard can very well be manufactured just a few days ago with false memories that he's been around for a long time ... Also, notice that Gaff knows what Deckard is dreaming about ? It looks very likely that Deckard's false memories and recurring dreams actually belongs to Gaff thats why Gaff knows what Deckard is thinking, right ? Gaff's limping walk suggests he was injured in the past hunting replicants, so to replace him, they use his memories to implant inside a new replicant (Deckard) to create a Blade Runner with Gaff's vast experience in hunting replicants... thats probably why Gaff knows what Deckard is thinking !! That means Gaff is the one overseeing the whole experiment for its efficacy, thats why Gaff is always shadowing Deckard's whereabouts and is even able to retrieve Deckard's lost gun to return it to him at the end of the movie .. obviously there is a tracking device built into Deckard's gun, thats how Gaff is able to know where to retrieve it ...

You’re making the assumption on that Deckard is replicant due to the movie giving an ambiguous hint that he is one. You’re not supposed to know that’s the whole point it’s ambiguous. It’s supposed to leave it to our imaginations.

The best version of Blade Runner is Blade Runner 2049. Period.

@Scifi4life

10 ай бұрын

Fact

as far as im concerned cinema peaked in 82, if u review what came out that year you might agree so i dont mind watching the ones i like over and over, or you can go see what they make these days with "cgi" and failed ideology

Blade Runner is an adult science fiction film. Beyond that it is the finest science fiction film ever made.

@VaughnJogVlog

2 жыл бұрын

I like the "movie" but am not sold on the Final Cut. It's quite disappointing considering what all is still missing. Movies are a collaborative effort. As such I take a hand stance that the initial theatrical versions are canon with others versions being something of a bonus.

@matthewklein9225

2 жыл бұрын

@@VaughnJogVlog what do you feel is missing?

@VaughnJogVlog

2 жыл бұрын

There is considerable missing footage of Holden. I know they didn’t shoot it, but I feel like the story needs something to convey the replicants escape which took place prior to the narrative. We need to see them abused, rebel, escape to Earth and split up. Even if it’s done in a montage fashion like the beginning of Alien 3. The animal mass extinction situation is danced around. It’s not central to the story, but present and ill-explained to those who didn’t ready Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? But all told the movie is vastly superior to the book.

@matthewklein9225

2 жыл бұрын

@@VaughnJogVlog I love bladerunner and would have loved more footage.

@bautibonzini2835

2 жыл бұрын

@@VaughnJogVlog I feel that these deleted scenes and deatails not explained are intentional. Just because the movie is called "Final Cut", doesn't means it needs to have ever deleted scene and explanation, there's a reason why these were cut on the first place: because studio believed the movie worked better without them. And stuff like the german culture, the animals, etc, doesn't need to be explained, neither understood the first time you see the film. Maybe it is meant to be interpretated by the viewer.

The replicants seem to be AWOL from some sort of interstellar war. Are the replicants created on that interstellar combat base? How long does it take the replicant soldiers to return to Earth? Does their escape vehicle travel around like the Millenium Falcon? Does not make sense!

the final cut was the one ridley scott ACTUALLY had a say in, not the directors cut

@VaughnJogVlog

8 ай бұрын

But what difference does it make? If he had that much say in it, why are so many scenes left out?

@cameronchandler7861

8 ай бұрын

@@VaughnJogVlog it just matters that this is what he intended the movie to be, not the scenes that were cut or included, this version is just how he intended for it to look Thats the point

@VaughnJogVlog

8 ай бұрын

I played through the 1997 PC game recently. You play as a mirror of Deckard and do similar things with several characters from the movie. It’s surprising seeing areas from deleted scenes in the game.

@cameronchandler7861

8 ай бұрын

@@VaughnJogVlog The deleted scenes arent always needed though, sometimes they just clutter up the story. Its nice to be able to see them but for the final cut of the movie its probably best they were left out

@tims.2717

29 күн бұрын

@@VaughnJogVlog The Final Cut is NOT an extended/special edition of the movie, nor was it trying to be. It is the true Director's Cut.

Final cut is the masterpiece much better pace...the theatrical release is boring

The Final Cut is the best

Dear Sir: jam your opinion up, left, twist it, and break it off. Regards, Ridley Scotch

BETA

I hear ya on much of your criticisms. The Director's Cut is a sci-fi masterpiece, imo, but the Final Cut just shove a crappy green filter over everything and adds stuff that doesn't actually make the movie better.

@88feji

3 жыл бұрын

Agree, agree and agree ... the colors of the Director's Cut adds to the richness of the movie's atmosphere, the colors just looks richer ... in fact, I even prefer the chimney sky for the dove scene over the obviously photoshopped montage (not very well done photoshop) ... the chimney sky's turquoise tone is a lot more consistent with the wet rooftop's turquoise reflections when Gaff arrived when the sky was brightening up ... and the low rumble sound effect fits perfectly with the imagery of the industrial giant chimney (chimneys which happen to be a feature of the opening LA scene)...

@yaquelineventosa7100

3 жыл бұрын

bro shut final cut is the definative version of the movie.

Jesus this sucked.

Oh wow where to even begin. Media literacy is truly dead after wasting 7 minutes of my life on this video 1) movies are made with even the most minor of decisions looked over. Tiny changes in background voices? Little dialogue changes? All of them add up. For example, when confronting Tyrell, Roy says in the theatrical cut “I want more life fucker” but in the Final Cut it’s “I want more life father”. I get that may seem small on the surface, but that once line changes the dynamics between the two massively. Also I find it very funny that you complain about Ridley Scott changed enough with only minor tweaks, but then also proceed to complain there aren’t enough changes like T2. You also proceed to complain that there is a continuity issue with a broken window, but when Ridley Scott went back to actually fix some continuity errors digitally you complain those are unneeded. Pick a side and stop contradicting yourself within your own arguments 2) Yeah, the movie isn’t 100% a perfect adaptation. Why is that a bad thing? It decided to go and do its own thing building off some elements from the book. Philip K Dick, while not alive to see the finished film, did see small chunks that were completed before his passing and loved it. That’s praise for (admittedly part of) the movie by the author of the book. Not that you care, since you’re upset it didn’t stick closer to the book while also hating the book. Also, goes to show you were not paying attention when watching the movie, because an entire part of the plot is about Deckard tracking down Zhora because he found a scale from her artificial snake. Zhora also goes to comment that if she could afford a real snake she wouldn’t be a dancer 3) This is Ridley’s vision, not your own my guy. Yeah, the movie may not click on first viewing, it rarely does and this has been talked about a lot over the years. Movies aren’t required to spill everything out to you in one sitting, in fact some of the best movies don’t (2001, Once Upon A Time In America, Do The Right Thing, etc). If you prefer the theatrical cut, that’s fine. But that version isn’t the definitive Blade Runner because the movie was taken from Ridley’s control and butchered by the studio

@VaughnJogVlog

Ай бұрын

We can’t wait for every movie to have a “Final cut” even after having a directors cut. I stand by a theatrical version as the definitive version for all films. I know there are cases where changes are made years later, but the version that needs reviewing is that first shown to the paying public.

@tinypurplefishes2903

Ай бұрын

@@VaughnJogVlog the difference is some of the time the theatrical release isn’t what the director wants even at the time. Blade Runner when released theatrically wasn’t what Ridley Scott wanted even in 1982. The studio took control of it. They were the one who added the voiceover, the tacked on happy ending, and took out the unicorn. The only reason there had to be a directors cut in the first place is because he never had final cut privileges in 1982

95% of your take sucks.

U. S. Thee at rical version NUFF SED