Notice how all the missions you do for Ryder are to help the gang, while all of the ones you do for Big Smoke are for his benefit only. Hell, he even tries to get you killed in Just Business.

@VannahMontannah2001

Жыл бұрын

I’m still confused at to why they made Ryder a suspect when all the missions he did with CJ was to help grove street.

@MrAkeiyVloggers

Жыл бұрын

@@VannahMontannah2001 Maybe The CRASH made Ryder a scapegoat to obscure CJ’s view for the impact of what they were doing by telling Ryder be together with CJ on a mission for the Grove Street families. but remember, the stuff's they robbed were stored in another family's hood area. not the groove street area. So probably there was not for only Groove Street Member's .

@VannahMontannah2001

Жыл бұрын

@@MrAkeiyVloggers you’re so right none of the shit was stored in grove street territories at all!

@MrAkeiyVloggers

Жыл бұрын

@@VannahMontannah2001 only one mission ( probably ) just stored at Ryder's House . The mission giving by Tenpenny to rob on the train and take down the ballas and vagos families . Just only that mission , they're stored that shit at Ryder's House . But still , not for Grove Street Families because that mission was giving by Tenpenny .

@MrAkeiyVloggers

Жыл бұрын

@@skullthrower8904 nah, CRASH will never to raids grove street families hood . What CRASH do just only to make all families different gang make a chaos and killing each other . So CRASH will never to ambush them . Just let them killing each other , thats why Tenpenny tell to all families gang to rob the train . Because he want they killing each other . And if someone don't follow CRASH order , that man will get eliminated . Just like what he did to Vagos Members , the mission he give to CJ to eliminated some Vagos Members . And , all weapon and shit CJ and Ryder Rob, all that they send to Emmet's place and nearby Emmet's place . And of course that gun not to help grove street families . Maybe that shit will sell to another gangs families , because Emmet's not grove streets families , but he one of the seville boulevard families . Not to close with GSF like Big Smoke said .

CJ's missions: An introduction to the game Sweet's missions: Killing ballas and finding out who killed his mom Ryder's mission (By the way, he is not really an antagonist): Stealing weapons to strengthen Grove Street Families Smoke's missions: Working for C.R.A.S.H. and the ballas

@tyleradams1386

Жыл бұрын

Yep Ryder never made any sense because everything you did in his mission HELPED Grove Street....I would love to know why they then turned him into a villain.!.!.!.!

@JosephPagepublic

Жыл бұрын

@@tyleradams1386 rumors that voice actor quit before the game finished. He should have died in the mission Green Sabre, fighting the Ballas.

@Loyal_homie100

Жыл бұрын

@@tyleradams1386 voice actor had a problem with rockstar yall must be young

@FarhanSaid....

Жыл бұрын

*Smoke's mission (except og loc one):BS

@cursedhawkins1305

Жыл бұрын

@@FarhanSaid.... Except Big Smoke doesn't exactly help with that mission either does he? I mean given that Vargos and Ballas were interested in the drug trade Big Smoke has no interest in killing Vargos, he doesn't even help you chase after the other Vargo after they refused to give Big Smoke some of the drugs they had, which by the way how he attacks the one that refused to give him what he asked for, didn't even look like a fatal blow it was just one hit with the bat and a kick, if anything the most that would have happened to that Vargo are a few bruises on the areas Big Smoke hit.

You're overlooking the one major reason why he *_couldn't_* kill Big Smoke. *"Big Smoke was Wasted!"* *_MISSION FAILED_*

There is a theory where Ryder wasn't supposed to be a traitor as Smoke but there were some issues with the voice actor so his part had to be cut that way. After seeing some of the key parts in the story missions from Los Santos, it kinda makes sense

@gaminginvestigators

2 жыл бұрын

That is true. Sadly they decided to make Ryder a traitor too, but in our eyes he is still our homie 🙂 We are planning on making an episode on this matter in future 😉

@skullthrower8904

2 жыл бұрын

Fr after nines and ak's every mission from ryder revolves around getting guns for the families Doesnt make sense hed betray the gang after putting a ton of work for them to get better hardware

@Deadsea_1993

Жыл бұрын

Extremely sad that happened. I truly believe he would have been made to get clean and then work at the shop in San Fierro and he would be smoking weed and talking about conspiracies with The Truth. I could imagine CJ saying "One of you is bad enough".

@GarkKahn

Жыл бұрын

He was supposed to die during the betrayal mission, obviously remaining loyal to grove street

@jedipadwan20

Жыл бұрын

@@Deadsea_1993 lol yeah homie nothing can stop him that would have awesome if while you try to kill him he stopped and we the players pulled up beside him. An he says “You busta you really think I betrayed the grove like that fat fuck big smoke, we’re family for life. I only played them popo like I played smoke to get information to give to you to save sweet. But go ahead shot me but shot in the head oh an CJ your my dog. I only disrespected you to help you grow stronger an not have to be a buster rest of your life. So go ahead I won’t run an yes I did try to get Kendal to have sex with me.”CJ looks an get ready to pull the trigger but lowers the gun an says: “Rider you ever fucking touch my sister again I will kill you where you stand nigga got it.” Rider: “yeah yeah I got it an CJ I’m sorry. C.R.A.S.H tried to used me make betrayed the hood. An sorry for trying to fuck Kendal, she’s like a sister a bitch ass sister but one I respect.” CJ: “Alright let get the fuck outta here then these mother f..king popo will get what coming when the Grove comes back.” Rider: “Nothing can stopped us now.” Now I don’t know for sure if that would happen it just my own idea of how Rider would have come back to the Grove Street Family.

I always like Ryder more. He was more loyal but cold. But died first

@gaminginvestigators

2 жыл бұрын

Interestingly, he was not originally meant to be a traitor. It's a pity that this was changed later in the development of the game :/

@seannewberry7941

2 жыл бұрын

It was because his voice actor had a rift with Rockstar and left. So they killed Ryder off like that.

@codewordafl5850

2 жыл бұрын

@@seannewberry7941 Luckily Eiht seems to be in good terms again even allowing his Welcome to Los Santos song being in GTA 5

@SuperBabyMario0C

Жыл бұрын

@@seannewberry7941 no he didn’t, where’s your source? MC emit has already said he had no problems but other things came up. Stop spreading nonsense. It’s still a tweet in his twitter

@SuperBabyMario0C

Жыл бұрын

@@seannewberry7941 swear niggas out here still posting something they read on KZread 5 years ago

You know, in retrospect, Big Smoke also might have predicted his own death. At one point, he tells CJ "Remember me when you get to the top!", which may insinuate that he knew CJ would eventually find out about his betrayal and would attempt to kill him at some point, as his last words were even that everyone will remember his name right before he was killed. Also, the many times he did try to get CJ and Sweet killed could have killed Smoke himself since he would also get caught in the deadly attacks he presumably set up. So I also think Smoke himself had said all these metaphors not only to hint at his betrayal, but to also predict he would die for his betrayal as well.

@a.c.slater7989

2 жыл бұрын

Smoke also didn’t go after cj when he blew up the crack fortress

@gaminginvestigators

Жыл бұрын

Yeah.. this little quote from Big Smoke actually seems quite foreshadowing 🙂 It kinda sucks that he agreed to all this, but at the same time, GSF probably wouldn't get on top again if Beverly didn't die :/

@freezedupfrost6064

Жыл бұрын

But smoke was trying to basically make CJ look like he was on CJs side, like trying to convince him that he is supporting him, that's a very common phrase used to uplift your friends, to say that you are predicting your friend will get to the top and you are asking him to remember all the good you have done with him.

@PLNKYELLOWBLACK

Жыл бұрын

And you literally get to the top of a penthouse to kill him

@maalikserebryakov

Жыл бұрын

@@freezedupfrost6064 Yes but the same phrase can have a different meaning depending on the context. 🤡

And his initials on the map to start his missions are just the tip of the iceberg of his treacherous nature

@skullthrower8904

Жыл бұрын

Lol real

@psychdee702

Жыл бұрын

Damn all these years of seeing BS on the map, I never connected the bridge on his initials being bullshit 🤣🤣

@buincqv67

Жыл бұрын

@@psychdee702 because they could’ve easily given his initial B. No other character in game has a B in their name except Beverly Johnson. OG Loc initial is just OG. As in original gangster but he’s far from an OG. It’s comedic and can’t help but make you wonder if it was intentional or not. Very high chance

Makes big smoke seem much more cunning and sinister than I ever originally thought when I played. Makes you wonder was it all intentional or did things just align the way they were supposed to. Great video.

@gaminginvestigators

2 жыл бұрын

How the storyline look in GTA is just awesome. Lots of questions after each stage. Thanks!

@brian4rmthewood

2 жыл бұрын

@@gaminginvestigators and it’s so cool to have played it when it dropped as a kid who knew no better about anything in life and now as an adult, the relevance is still there, new things Being discovered, an entire new generation to love (or loathe) this masterpiece.

@tiopira5

Жыл бұрын

@@brian4rmthewood Same i thought smoke was just a funny af fat guy who liked eating

@brian4rmthewood

Жыл бұрын

@@tiopira5 facts bro

CJ walked in while Smoke was trying to steal Beverly's blender.

honestly i think of Big Smoke as a "mood maker". if youre trying to keep your team's morale high, trying to avoid conversations like Sweet's mother death seens reasonable, because Sweet himself said he was trying not to think about it. ofc it might not be Smoke's case, but it fits the role.

@gaminginvestigators

Жыл бұрын

Interesting approach! 🤔 We didn't think about this, you might be right! However, it's really tempting to connect this with his further betrayal 😅

Another hint of betrayal, when BS drops his bat on the table aftet confronting cj coming back from liberty city, yoy can hear some glass breaking since his bat lands on the photo of cj's mother, indicating his involment in the attack

@gaminginvestigators

Жыл бұрын

This looks like a quite valid point! Although it could be also seen as a "typical" gangster move, him showing no respect to the photo of CJ's mum might be crucial here 🙂

@MetroMadness1987

10 ай бұрын

I always heard the batt was for Smoke to Kill Sweet.

Unlike other main GSF characters, when you recruit gangmembers to join you on missions with Big Smoke, they'll disband right after the cutscene.

@Disan2010

Жыл бұрын

For real?

@carolpulma2734

Жыл бұрын

@@Disan2010 Yep..

@gaminginvestigators

Жыл бұрын

If this is true, then we are frickin' overwhelmed! 😱 Thanks for the comment! 🤘

I’m still confused at to why they made Ryder a suspect when all the missions he did with CJ was to help grove street.

@gtagamerz5353

Жыл бұрын

Here is what betrayal means.

@veasey3997

Жыл бұрын

Tbf when you’re robbing the house and get caught he’ll straight up leave you hence he’s kinda just more about himself

@Benchpress33

Жыл бұрын

@@veasey3997 that's cause he's scared about the repercussions every time he does something he trys to do it as safely as possible like when he Rob's the pizza place he waits till it's only you and him in there and runs away when the guy pulls the gun

@AIMalek

Жыл бұрын

He got guns Not necessarily helping grove He just got guns that he could use with smoke after disbanding grove street

@asmodeuzz7

Жыл бұрын

nah they made him the bad guy because of some stuffs happening between R* and the VA for Ryder, since the VA isn't around at the time, R* had to cut Ryder off in the game by getting him killed in the mission

I thought in Reuniting Families, Smoke just went to Emmet for that rusty AK you will shoot from at end of a mission

@gaminginvestigators

Жыл бұрын

Well, they probably did 😃 Although it could be hidden in the trunk already, we doubt they were lying there.

@dexenationgracey1979

Жыл бұрын

Which is another layer to his betrayal. Why go get weapons from someone who has shitty guns when your friends lives are on the line?

As far as I know after you unlock teritories,Smoke's house is on the corner of the ballas teritorie which,I think,would be suspicious for CJ. (sorry for the bad english)

@gaminginvestigators

Жыл бұрын

You're absolutely right! It is very sus that out of a sudden he is now living on the Ballas turf, right?

@yuefei8711

Жыл бұрын

He gets called out on it by CJ in one of the missions too.

They wanted to kill sweet b4 Cj got there because the had already fucked up the first hit on him they needed sweet out the way because big smoke woulda been next Chief kus smoke had that rank since cj ran off, tho word had it that cj was coming back and they didn’t expect cj early arrival that’s why tenpenny scooped him up n dropped off in a diff hood also tp also framed him to keep him away he said stay the fuck outta his in the beginning he was making moves and didn’t need Carl digging in affairs due to the hit being a mistake n killing his moms lo key big smoke was turning into Scarface in the end

@skullthrower8904

2 жыл бұрын

Damn good thinking

I remember the very first time I took big smoke to his house I got shot at after the mission but the #2 leader of Grove Street Families can live there with no trouble at all? I was suspicious. Ryder I had no clue. I guess the developers had Ryder double cross the gang was because the voice actor quit.

Other than you calling em “ Bella’s” your content is on point

Also think that Ryder was a bad choice to use as betrayal, I honestly think there was a plan for him, maybe BS killed him off so he couldn’t blaff to CJ and Sweet. But I have a slight feeling that in the end where Tenpenny dies at the fire truck, it should have been Ryder instead of Truth. Like where did. truth fit in to the GFS area? Why would he suddenly appear and be like “You heated the system man”. I truly believes Ryder was intended to be there with Sweet, CJ, Cesar and Kendl, and not Truth.

@festival3051

Жыл бұрын

Agreed 👍

@gaminginvestigators

Жыл бұрын

That's true 😦 Ryder didn't deserve to be ruined by stupid and rushed Rockstar North's decisions.. He should have died during "The Green Sabre" mission along us 🙂

@privateerbouncher9622

Жыл бұрын

@@gaminginvestigators Or not died at all :(

Good video, I loved it a lot! Very awesome work! One thing I want to point out is another clue that hinted to BIg Smoke's betrayal is the BS logo where his house is located, the devlopers snuck that clue in which stands for bullshit when you do the missions for him.

@gaminginvestigators

2 жыл бұрын

So obvious but I didn't notice that 😅

@skullthrower8904

2 жыл бұрын

Lol fr

You need to make a video about ryder He was my favourite character, and even when i felt sad that i would had to kill him when he betrays cj i felt even sadder that he was "abandoned" in the story after los santos, he only showed up at the loco syndicate first and last mission, and was mentioned only ONCE, twice at best, during the san fierro part

@gaminginvestigators

Жыл бұрын

I think we have fulfilled our part of the deal 😃 The video about Ryder can be found here -> kzread.info/dash/bejne/oGilrdVyh6WdntI.html

An interesting thing that you didn't mentioned is about the drive-by mission. Some leakers says that in fact smoke wasn't supposed to participate on that mission, because he don't appear on the intro cutscene he just pops in the car and don't have any dialogue at all. The community believes rockstar cut those dialogues that hinted about smoke betrayal and put him in drive-by mission to avoid suspicious. About the mission reuniting the families, i really don't know why smoke and ryder came back for them... maybe to have a last cool mission with the entire crew to end well the los santos arc or because ryder wasn't supposed to betrayal them in the first place, so we would put pressure on smoke to go save them

@gaminginvestigators

Жыл бұрын

We have been thinking about adding this mission as well, but.. in the end decided to mention more important ones instead. But yeah, as you said there are few reasons that suggest Big Smoke not being in this mission and you mentioned pretty much all of them. However, there are few dialogues there - at the end of the mission and if we decide to get out of car (we presented this dialogue in this episode -> kzread.info/dash/bejne/dpOL1pugZMywgJs.html, worth checking out 😉 ) And you're probably right that Rockstar have put Big Smoke there just to convince the players that he's not a traitor, but as we saw.. Rockstar is good at screwing up storyline sometimes.. By the way if you're interested in Ryder's fate as if he wasn't meant to betray Grove Street, take a look at this video ->kzread.info/dash/bejne/oGilrdVyh6WdntI.html. Cheers!

@skullthrower8904

Жыл бұрын

In reuniting the families when they come back ryder has an ak he got from emmet Could he assumed he was going to use it to help the brothers escape the motel

@Benchpress33

Жыл бұрын

@@skullthrower8904 or he brought it to find a way to plant it on sweet if he was killed cause sweet did go to the meeting unarmed and it would make tenpenny's paperwork and suspension less if they say sweet was shooting at them with a automatic weapon

@buincqv67

Жыл бұрын

Also after taking Smoke home in that mission, you can hear from the dialogue that Cj was already a little suspicious of smoke, but didn’t question him,

I love these analytical videos of the characters. Though I’ve heard these things before, it’s nice to hear it from a different POV

@gaminginvestigators

Жыл бұрын

We're glad that you enjoyed this episode. We hope that you're still in our family, my man! 🤘

@TheRav3n

Жыл бұрын

@@gaminginvestigators I am. Keep up the good content!

A couple of days ago I discovered your channel and man, I spent the whole sunday afternoon binge watching a ton of vids. Amazing work, I have been realising a ton of stuff I didn't catch while playing them. I am going to revisit all the series. Thanks a ton!

@gaminginvestigators

Жыл бұрын

That's some great news, man! 😃 We are glad that you enjoy our work and we are looking forward to seeing you in other videos as well 😉 Cheers!

Been binge watching your videos, how do you not have more subs lol

@gaminginvestigators

Жыл бұрын

Thanks, glad you enjoyed them! 😃 There're a few new videos already, better check them out bro! 😄

Such a great lore video. U deserve way more views

@gaminginvestigators

2 жыл бұрын

Thank You, it's very uplifting!

His horrible Accuracy when Chasing the God Damn Train

i like this! i didn't even know about the deleted/changed Dialogue. you just earned a Subscriber!!

@gaminginvestigators

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Warrior! Appreciate it!

It might be that Smoke was forced to come back for CJ and Sweet by Ryder as its possible Ryder wasn't decided to be a traitor yet by the developers. Guess we'll never know

I got this game like 18 years ago and Ive just realised that smoke got his food from thin air. Thats a talk box thing he says the order into not a counter!

Damn. We used to laugh our ass off at Big Smoke long ass order. Whole time he was setting us up. Really be yo own niggas lmao.

The day I came to the green sabre mission I thought bloody hell there traitor’s I was pissed

Honestly..i didnt want ryder to be a traitor tbh

@gaminginvestigators

Жыл бұрын

We either! He should have been killed by the Ballas during "The Green Sabre" mission..

@99mrpogi

Жыл бұрын

​@@gaminginvestigatorsand Ryder would have died a hero

I figured after the drive thru turned drive by was the heaviest evidence but each moment after that leading up to Green Saber is hard to find him as a proper friend

I honestly feel like Smoke was at the house because he told Sweet he would watch it while everyone was at the funeral in case someone tried to break in.

If you gotta lie well you never had the power.

You keep saying "bal-las" and it's throwing me off

Big Smoke's long order is actually an interesting theory! I always thought it was for comedic effect but he really could have just been buying time for their enemies.

@jasondyrkacz8270

Жыл бұрын

It was probably both.

ya content is top tier dude. im glad i came across it today

@gaminginvestigators

Жыл бұрын

Thank you very much, Tyrone! 🙂 Welcome to the family! 😎

The writing is very subtle and if you wasn’t paying close attention you would miss it.

They tried to Slaughter my mans Ryder in front of all of us but that just made him live forever LLR😂

They did dirty on ryder...

the time when big smoke says "things that makes us laugh makes us cry" it is a refrence of smoke before the green sabre and after it and also when he dies at end of the line

@gaminginvestigators

Жыл бұрын

He does feel some guilt inside 😦 What a shame that he decided to let himself go the wrong way..

Like the first damn mission? When he eats instead of shooting?!?

I honestly think Big Smoke mistaking CJ in the first mission was real, it doesnt make sense as to why he'd be waiting to kill CJ or Sweet so early, and why he'd shout while doing it, if you're going to kill a figurehead for the gang, wouldnt you wanna do it quietly as possible to not get smoked by the Gang Members outside? And why would he think Sweet would randomly leave the funeral to go back home? Big Smoke had the only car in the mission (Sweet's car is never seen in the mission) and took it to Sweet's house, the plan was probably to leave them trapped with the Ballas instead of killing him at home more than anything.

@gaminginvestigators

Жыл бұрын

You're correct, my man! 😃 Actually, we would say that Big Smoke wasn't waiting for Sweet or CJ, he could have known about the trap that is going to happen at the funeral. And that's why he wasn't there. So yeah, we believe that Big Smoke knew about the trap. 😁

whats the music in the background at the start of the video

Smoke actually shooting the ballas 4:04

The definitive edition character models are knocking me out! 😂😂💀

@gaminginvestigators

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah so cartoon Images 😅

@BonesDMS4life

2 жыл бұрын

Looks amazing tbh

Great Video!! BTW, the gangs name is pronounced "BAWL-LERS" 😂

@gaminginvestigators

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for correction 😃

Bring more vids bro 💥

@gaminginvestigators

2 жыл бұрын

Next one soon 😀

well in all the times i played the Game on the PS2 never seen the Introduction Video I keep hearing about not sure if it is on the version for the Xbox360 but hey thanks for sharing that video

@markl5998

12 күн бұрын

You best bet is just finding it on youtube

Cool videos, high quality, indeed you deserve more views

@gaminginvestigators

Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for your support! It's great to have you here, my man 🙂

There is also a theory that suggests that the reason Big Smoke's order is so long is that he is trying to buy time for the drive-by

@ianfinrir8724

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, but he also repeats the other's orders, like he's ordering for everyone.

Bruh so the only reason Big Smoke became a meme for that order is because he was trying to waste time until the ballas arrive? Great

Awesome thumbnail!

@gaminginvestigators

Жыл бұрын

Thanks bro!

"BAAL-UHS"

Dave numbs nine large

Then if ryda “didn’t know” how he get caught up?

@gaminginvestigators

Жыл бұрын

Ryder was caught up because Rockstar North decided to add him to "The Green Sabre" mission next to Big Smoke at the last minute. He shouldn't even be there, they didn't have him betray Grove Street Families at the beginning. If you're interested in the early concept of Ryder, check out this video -> kzread.info/dash/bejne/oGilrdVyh6WdntI.html

Is this gameplay from a mod or the definitive edition

Great video, though I swear the gang called the Ballers pronounced Ball ers

@gaminginvestigators

Жыл бұрын

Thank you, Festival 🙂

Loving your explanations but I am sorry for seen these scenes in plastic graphics and gum.. ah i think is the definitive filter xD

Purposely kills big smoke during an early GTA SA mission. Mission Passed.

what damn mod is that or is that the re-release

Please do more facts on San Andreas

also from first of game,sweet and cj always try to Killing ballas memebers and get more controled area and ryder trying to get new and better weapon for grove.but smoke missions all about Killing and fighting with Russian Mafia or Vagos.and thats show Smoke want to make a war bettewn Gsf and other gang groups

The new Badger Godger

Tbh gonna get the definitive edition the graphics aren’t tht bad…

@AnTunZee

2 жыл бұрын

Overall, the defective edition is garbage

@BonesDMS4life

2 жыл бұрын

@@AnTunZee not true it’s the same Game just looks better 😂

@AnTunZee

2 жыл бұрын

@@BonesDMS4life it’s really not the same game. Yes, it does look better but it’s obvious that War Drum Studios/Grove Street Games, Rockstar Games, and Take2 didn’t care about the games because there was no quality testing or quality control. The original games are better in every way except graphically. There are tons of videos here on KZread giving a complete breakdown analysis on the subject, just pick one.

@BonesDMS4life

2 жыл бұрын

@@AnTunZee oh i know I’ve been playing gta since 02 but literally it’s the same game . When people say what u are saying it makes no sense because this game is before the dlc era so tell me again what’s different about this game outside of the graphics . I’ll wait

@AnTunZee

2 жыл бұрын

@@BonesDMS4life kzread.info/dash/bejne/jIeq0aVvnL3SZdY.html

It was a secret part in da 1st mission where secretly Big Smoke was dealing drugs to a Balla gang member in da kitchen shortly after Cj leaves da house, to join fam at cemetery

Man I was 11 when this came out and was so shocked at Big Smoke. I beat this game so many times I timed it once and can beat it - on average - in 18 hours. Nuts how long the storyline is though for it to take 18 hours!!!

When he said he was to busy eating to shoot i knew

Big Smoke was suppose to be in Avengers nitiate

One of the best writen game stories

There's a monster truck that looks like the grave digger. I accidently got it. On a mission.

I wish they made a ryder the complete character he was supposed to be man, I understand that they had to cut corners but with the rereleases they could have fixed that

@gaminginvestigators

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, we wish that happen as well :/

Hey, does somebody know how the Mod is called which has been used in most of the cutscenes? Thanks! :)

@artifexmusic

Жыл бұрын

Its not a mod, they are from the definitive edition.

@klaus-siegfriedbasskamp6999

Жыл бұрын

@@artifexmusic Thank you for the answer. Just came back to SA. Last time I played it was back in 2012. Things changed since then :D

Ironic of Big Smokes speech WHEN IM GONE EVERYBODY GONNA REMEMBER MAH NAME BIG SMOKE! -And then throughout the rest of the grand theft auto series everyone forgets about smoke and nobody even remembers him or cares about him at all. Of course the final death from Coco and One Piece took effect Yeah. I think it is one of the biggest ironies in the whole gta series. I think he might had said these words because he had such a huge ego and he saw himself as a huge name of significant importance like movie stars or music superstars. While, in reality only the only thing that Big Shit will be remembered as is some drug producing scum who sold everything he had believed, his soul, principles, firends and his family for some money and exploitation. Or maybe because, he wanted to justify what he have done to himself. Just like trying to prove that everything he gave up was not in vain. In order to have the thought that he did everything right while avoiding, protecting himself from the regret of losing his friends, family and even himself. And that false sense of daycare service.... I dont even wanna get into what Big smoke coulda really used that for.

@gaminginvestigators

Жыл бұрын

Yeah.. Big Smoke turned out to be a huge materialist and hypocrite :/ We're glad that CJ took him out!

@abstraction6212

Жыл бұрын

@@gaminginvestigators and a potential sex offender for the daycare service

Anyone confused why ryder story was changed, well I heard that ryders voice actor quit halfway through the story, now they couldn't make ryder get a heart attack it will br boring so I'm sure this is why

@Shishani160

Жыл бұрын

It would be more better if he died in green Sabre mission, where he gets shot by Ballas

whatthe song name

ryder i think was in on it too, but not by choice. ryder even says that the green sabre existed. and even hints towards his half-alliance with crash.

There is also the fact his name is big smoke and the smoking gun

I could somewhat understand the mispronunciation of "Claude" in your other videos because the name is never spoken in GTA III, but how do you mispronounce "Ballas"? You hear the word "Ballas" spoken literally dozens of times in the game. Come on, man. Get your shit together lol

@cunnie84

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you my man them are my exact words too I mean come on guy it's pronounced ballers not Bala's

how can 1 mis pronounce " Ballas" that many times?

Another example is that all of his missions have you go up against other gangs _besides_ the Ballas. You deal with the Vagos and even the Russian Mafia, but not the Ballas. Obviously Big Smoke doesn't want to be put in a situation where he has to shoot at his own allies, as demonstrated during Drive Thru.

Smoke should've started wearing Ballas colours

We all got to talk about it !? They were going for Sweet! - Ryder And then Big Smoke talking about two face people, that was it for me I knew it was them.

I’d like to think in another timeline CJ somehow simply walked up to Smoke and Ryder then pulled the trigger

Confusement lol

all about the money dogg

Cj couldn't kill big smoke earlier because cj didnt suspect enough from big smoke. The thing cj killed big smoke because he was the person who killed cj's mom and he was with the ballas

I wonder if the police’s goal was to take over grove street family themselves. They would know that gang is ambitious, but small enough to take over at the time of Cjs arrival. Maybe they wanted to use grove street to wipe out all the other gangs

If they had problems with Ryder's voice actor they should've just killed Ryder in the Green Sabre or made him dissappear around the time of the Grove Street extinction.

@gaminginvestigators

Жыл бұрын

We agree! It would have been a much better way to end this character than rushing off a new concept in a poor way..

True wat was smock doing in the house ,wen the others were at the semetary😕

Now that they've patched a good portion of the major glitches, I'm playing the trilogy for the first time since I was 10. Can't believe I missed all the signs, looking back.

@doodash

2 жыл бұрын

Literally what glitches? If anything they made more making it run through unreal engine.

bro those character models kill me

Big smoke idea is good for gsf future but sweet that make all of this happend

unrelated, butplease stop using the definitive edition, it just looks off (T_T)

I can't say I saw Big Smoke's betrayal coming, but I knew he was out for himself and I just didn't like him. Wasting him in the end was a pleasure, while Ryder somehow felt wrong.

Big smoke didn’t order that big meal just for himself, he was ordering that for CJ, Sweet, Ryder and himself. It just seems big because the characters already said what they wanted, but they were telling big smoke what they wanted so HE could order it.

@itsfukntazz

Жыл бұрын

nope, big smoke was making a large order to buy himself some time and so he had an excuse not to shoot at his fellow ballas

@gtagamerz5353

Жыл бұрын

No, he ordered for him... I actually replayed it yesterday and already read a lot of thread about Big Smoke repeating his friends order but actually he was talking for himself.

@gtagamerz5353

Жыл бұрын

@@itsfukntazz indeed.

@jvbutalid8316

Жыл бұрын

In retrospect, he must've planned it as a last meal of sorts, as basically right after they got their order, the crew got attacked by Ballas

@dxshawn532

Жыл бұрын

Nah, listen it again. He didn't repeat their orders.

The intro sounds like achinese bot wrote it

Maby you guys could do character analysis