Honestly, I felt that B-Dup would make a hell of a lot better antagonist than Ryder ever did. His attitude towards CJ when he was introduced and what he was doing was set up so well and was unfortunately a missed opportunity of his potential. It's especially disappointing considering that rapper The Game did such a great job voicing the character. As for Big Bear, he too was another character with wasted potential who could have had a moment where after going to rehab and being free from B-Dup's claws, he could have gotten much healthier and stronger to return to the Grove Street Families. This game has three characters with wasted potential: Ryder, B-Dup, and Big Bear.

@gaminginvestigators

Жыл бұрын

I agree! Ryder doesn't look like a traitor at all, at least to me. He was loyal all along and should have died under Mulholland Intersection during the battle. If not, he could have been brought back in the story when we return to Los Santos. But nope, they wanted to make him a betrayer forcefully. But you're right about B-Dup and Big Bear too, they seem to be really important for the Families, and yet their thread looks really short compared to Ryder for example.

@codpexlegends3763

2 ай бұрын

@@gaminginvestigatorsRyder was very loyal to Grove Street. Big Smoke was the one that was giving hints of betrayal.

Mad respect to rapper "The Game's" outstanding performance as B Dup

@iambloopy

Жыл бұрын

What? That’s crazy! He did it so well you couldn’t tell it was him.

@jordanmurray410

Жыл бұрын

i thought he sounded familiar, go figure almost 20 years later i have an answer to that question.....

@vitormachado4523

Жыл бұрын

I knew I recognized that voice from somewhere

@jakubmichniewicz343

Жыл бұрын

@@iambloopy Well I definitely could.. lol haha been listennig to How We Do for years lol

@gaminginvestigators

Жыл бұрын

He is truly a great rapper and voice actor!

B Dup should've been the one working with Big Smoke in The Green Sabre.

No idea why but this was the video I needed today. This Lore feels like it was a tv show or movie that can always be revisited whenever. 🔥

@gaminginvestigators

Жыл бұрын

True, that's the beauty of the storylines. We are playing them over and over again and each time we do that, we can discover something completely new.

San Andreas is The Wire of video games-still being analyzed almost 20yrs later, and yet you always find a new detail…. Beautiful work. Definitely my favorite of them all!

@rickswayze

Жыл бұрын

Man I love this comment, the wire is such a great show. The wire and San Andreas are two of my favorites and I still watch/play both on a regular basis.

@TheRav3n

Жыл бұрын

@@rickswayze it’s hard watching The Wire without the emotional rollercoaster.. but I love the analysis that I see for that show.. and it’s probably in my top 5 favorite shows of any genre of all time!

@jason200912

Жыл бұрын

Except the wire kinda sucked

@TheRav3n

Жыл бұрын

@@jason200912 not even a little bit-I’ll meet you in the middle though: I was told to watch it based off the “hood” element… but the police work, and how the seasons come together are my favorite reasons when I did watch. The reason I “stan” the show now is for the same reason I love this channel-the analysis. Things being put into perspective that I wouldn’t have even thought of!

@jason200912

Жыл бұрын

@@TheRav3n city on a hill and the mayor of kingstown are much better with hood plot than the wire. wire was too boring for me and i dropped it

They should have kept the part where CJ is the one who drives Bear to the hospital Also the part where Bears said Sweet became difficult and did nothing along with the way you guys explained the downfall of the families, Makes sweet even more of a hypocrite throughout the lasr half of the game For how he keeps giving CJ endless shit for not being there for the hood when he wasn't any better

@Marcus_shawn

Жыл бұрын

Sweet was a terrible leader 😂

@waters228_91

Жыл бұрын

Not to mention he even decided to give up on the hood and tries to take a hit of the crackpipe all because he was feeling "tired." Hypocrite indeed.

@gaminginvestigators

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. This intertwines perfectly with the whole background of what happened after Brian's death. Sweet did absolutely nothing, he was depressed and useless. Truly a hypocritical character when you think about his excuse to try to use crack at the very end of the game.

@ARG_Records

Жыл бұрын

😢

@Marcus_shawn

Жыл бұрын

@@gaminginvestigators the man said forget mansions, legit money and businesses I wanna go back to the hood (which I did nothing for)..oh and before my brother CJ walks in I'm a almost take a hit of a crack pipe 🤣🤣🤣 sweet was boots👎

I have a theory that these are actually ranks: Big Devil - Little Devil. Big Bear - L.B. Big Smoke - Little Smoke.

@jaykingston9516

11 ай бұрын

If only they made san Andreas stories....

I hate that they cut the unused files for Bear

@gaminginvestigators

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, it feels like the storyline would be more coherent if they decided to include Big Bear as a more important character than he is.

This man like the trap lore ross of gta 😂

@codskatercodskater

Жыл бұрын

💀

Traitors? B-Dup: Yes Big Bear: Not really

@gaminginvestigators

Жыл бұрын

Just take a look at the cutscene in the "Cleaning the Hood" mission, CJ was insisting on Bear coming back. Even though Big Bear wasn't that useful before CJ came back to Los Santos, Carl knows that Big Bear is, or rather was a really valuable member and tries to get him on his side. And the reply of Big Bear is "Everyone likes to party sometimes, CJ. I'll see you around.", he clearly could refuse B-Dup at that moment and he didn't do that. That's why I strongly believe that he also kinda betrayed the Families.

@captaindowntown7851

6 ай бұрын

​@@gaminginvestigators He probably felt intimidated by B Dup.

Bro your channel is so underrated, I love how you go into the GTA lore and really dive into the story and characters. I just watched your video on “why Johnny is a pussy in GTAV” which is a question I’ve always asked myself whenever I run back the story mode, please don’t ever stop this content bro, can’t wait to see your take on GTA 6 in 2030 😂

oh yeah i needed this video always had a lot of questions about big bear... he was a pretty interesting character

@gaminginvestigators

Жыл бұрын

And what's even more interesting, Big Bear was supposed to play a huge role in helping CJ find Big Smoke in the beta version. It's such a shame that he was made a minor character instead.

@captaindowntown7851

6 ай бұрын

💯

Thank you for this Hubert🤞🏻

@gaminginvestigators

Жыл бұрын

You're welcome, bro!

@gaminginvestigators B-Dup says he was threatened. If B-Dup didn't accept Big Smoke and Tenpenny's terms he was going to be killed. As well as Big Devil, Little Devil and Tony.

@LScentral

Жыл бұрын

You can’t say as well Bd,Ld and tony when there’s no proof

@frankcastle8397

Жыл бұрын

@@LScentral theory.

@gaminginvestigators

Жыл бұрын

That's true, Big Smoke also had "no choice". And he betrayed the Families to get money, it's pretty much the same as B-Dup. However, there is always a choice - he didn't have to do it. Sweet was still in power and they could have remained loyal. But since both Big Smoke and B-Dup realized that the Families are a sinking ship because Sweet not going into selling crack on the streets, they abandoned the gang, and personally, no excuses would make this any better. They were aware of what they have done.

@jacobrivera1721

2 ай бұрын

@@gaminginvestigatorsfact everyone has choice they just made the wrong choice

Also: I love these videos.. videos about SA are difficult to mess up, but I feel that opinion is dismissive of you guys work… keep ‘em coming!

Can you make a video on the downfall of the Lost Motorcycle Club?

@gaminginvestigators

Жыл бұрын

Certainly! There will be a video about The Lost MC for sure.

@louisnapolitano

Жыл бұрын

@@gaminginvestigators What are your thoughts on Klebitz?

@jason200912

Жыл бұрын

They betrayed literally everyone they encountered. Of course they're gonna get destroyed.

B-Dup name kinda hard. Can’t lie.

Gaming Investigators: Did you like our video? Me: hell yeah! GI : Hell yeah what? Me: Hell yeah SIR!

@lwezzysaintmkhize5962

Жыл бұрын

Big bear💀

@gaminginvestigators

Жыл бұрын

Hell yeah, sir!

@TheMDXtremeReal

Жыл бұрын

@@gaminginvestigators Now go and make that mf sub count sparkle 🤣

@jason200912

Жыл бұрын

I'ma make this toilet sparkle

@romasliv

29 күн бұрын

​@@TheMDXtremeRealoh man. Damn

I love your GTA videos I am hoping that one day to start making videos for my KZread channel video on GTA like yours, robot combat reviews, dash cams and Game walkthrough

@gaminginvestigators

Жыл бұрын

Happy to hear that! Good luck on your youtube channel.

@captainsmartass3368

Жыл бұрын

@@gaminginvestigators thank you

Please do a Vice City Stories video

@gaminginvestigators

Жыл бұрын

No worries, there will be GTA Vice City Stories lore videos too.

It was more of B-Dup than it is with Big Bear. The crack was getting to Bear.

Nice work 🎉❤😊

@gaminginvestigators

Жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot, my friend!

Big bear really didnt betrat Grove. He just fell for the Drugs badly because of B-Dup. B-Dup is the one who betrayed Grove like Smoke did. Ryder, Big Bear and Sweet the only ones who didnt betray Cj and Grove.

Nice video's

@gaminginvestigators

Жыл бұрын

Thank you, glad you appreciated it!

@wouterosinga8170

Жыл бұрын

@@gaminginvestigators Np keep it up they good work

Victims of circumstance. Grove didnt stand strong enough to keep their peoples united. Nobody is gonna die for a gang that is divided, and clearly going down. This increased desperation to earn money, and escape the ugly reality. A gang that is united and strong (not in need of escaping reality) wouldnt be as threatened by the crack epidemic. Sweet was not ready to lead a gang if he wasnt emotionally ready to accept death of his closest people. Of course anyone would be hurt by such a loss, but a leader in the criminal underground must know how to use this as fuel for the gang, not to soften the gang.

@gaminginvestigators

Жыл бұрын

Perfectly said!

@jacobrivera1721

2 ай бұрын

Fact

2:34 I don't recall that cute scene because after the b dup mission Sweet took Big Bear to rehab Big Bear said where we going, Sweet some place to get old Bear back

@moodyowlproductions4287

Жыл бұрын

Cut scene...

I like to trash talk Sweet but I forget that his brother's death really hit him HARD, my respect for the guy.

@Marcus_shawn

Жыл бұрын

Nah man he was still a turd 😂

@gaminginvestigators

Жыл бұрын

It's understandable that he was depressed because he lost his brother (even the second one kinda), but he can't be griefing all the time! He is the leader of the gang for Christ's sake...

@jason200912

Жыл бұрын

Yeah but CJ held his head. Sweet became a lazy deadbeat afterwards and had no care for Ryder's gun upgrades or smoke's attempt at financing grove street in the introduction

@asm7406

11 ай бұрын

@@jason200912 CJ didn't know about his betrayal either until Cesar told him.

Interesting story

@gaminginvestigators

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! Is there any other thread that you would like me to cover?

@YusukeKnight

Жыл бұрын

@@gaminginvestigators your least favorite GTA game

You can never trust any of people betrayed you I been tru with same problems unfortunately

can you do a video on what would probably of happened if cj didn’t betray salvatore

3:41 Cursed, why did the Vagos' hands do that during that IFP animation?

Og loc baby og loc❤😂...walking through the place with a gun on my waist

Seems like all of this is… Sweet’s fault.

@ajax5467

Жыл бұрын

Sweet is useless, GS is nothing without CJ every single time he leaves they fall off then he has to do all the work

@iambloopy

Жыл бұрын

@@ajax5467 facts! Adds to the mystery of Carl’s disappearance (even though Rockstar tells us both games are different universes like psssh c’mon)

@gaminginvestigators

Жыл бұрын

Yuuuup, Sweet is totally useless as the gang leader, unfortunately.

@therealsincerelyyours

2 ай бұрын

Your sooo right

Bear became a custy so he didn't really have a chance or a choice 😂

@gaminginvestigators

Жыл бұрын

Actually, I still believe that Big Bear had a chance to recover earlier. Just take a look at the cutscene in the "Cleaning the Hood" mission, CJ was insisting on Bear coming back. Even though Big Bear wasn't that useful before CJ came back to Los Santos, Carl knows that Big Bear is, or rather was a really valuable member and tries to get him on his side. And the reply of Big Bear is "Everyone likes to party sometimes, CJ. I'll see you around.", he clearly could refuse B-Dup at that moment and he didn't do that. That's why I strongly believe that he also kinda betrayed the Families.

@Marcus_shawn

Жыл бұрын

@@gaminginvestigators b dub told the man "now make that mother fucking sparkle" 🤣🤣🤣 he ain't have a chance in hell

How did you get the gang members to have those type of guns? I only got them SMG and Desert Eagles after doing the 100 tags

@xaneization

Жыл бұрын

Mods probably

@juanon_industries7256

Жыл бұрын

Cleo mod of cheat menu and spawning some families, or using the mod of changing npc weaponry, or both

@Funny-zl8so

Жыл бұрын

@@juanon_industries7256 thanks, also I remember a long time ago, unsure if there was a glitch but I managed to have gang wars in San ferriro and in that island over the san ferrio bridge (sorry for spelling) I had GSF not only in Los Santos but other islands, don’t know what I did, this was on PS2

Bear looks like a cracked out john witherspoon

If y’all notices Gta San Andreas was about building your respect takeover turf but most turf you take was just a mini game to do something it didn’t mean shit…same thing with ballas takeover grove street they[ballas] had took grove street on San Andreas….where mission where Tenpenny kidnapped you in go to the country for awhile….If notice go back to hood during those times Grove st is ballas turf they took over cj mama house and sweets crib and Ryder crib….So take back the grove street area towards end of San Andreas didn’t mean shit…. So that’s why on GTA V you see the ballas in grove street area….

Why is the Bonus Gang an enemy of the Grove Street Gang, even though CJ helped them defeat the Vaguz? After this, they are still enemies, why?

@gaminginvestigators

Жыл бұрын

Are you talking about Varrios Los Aztecas? Well, gameplay-wise they are determined to be hostile to other gangs, including CJ and the Families. However, this could be a mistake on behalf of the developers, perhaps they planned to make Aztecas friendly after the end of the game.

@wouterosinga8170

Жыл бұрын

@@gaminginvestigators it is in they beta

@krs4883

Жыл бұрын

If anybody in the comments had sense they would of know Big Smoke was a traitor to grove st family because if you look at the begin mission big smoke was gonna take out sweet wit the baseball bat but when he seen it was cj and not sweet he tried to play it off like he was surprised to see him.

@ahmed_volcano

Жыл бұрын

yes

It boggles my mind that the gang didn't absolutely demand that CJ become the leader. CJ had done more for the gang within the first few missions than his brother had in 5 years.. Grove street literally came back to life because of CJ.

@sambo416

6 ай бұрын

Cj was basically the leader they payed him tax already and he could recruit everyone. Cj rejected leadership anyways

@jacobrivera1721

2 ай бұрын

For real

@romasliv

29 күн бұрын

Cj respect sweet to much, he wouldn't accept, but he's practically a leader anyway

Day 1 Of asking HUBSON to show his list of mods in GTA San Andreas

I do saw big bear come back to grove street in the mission beat up b dup

Rockstar dropped the ball by not having a next gen release of a GTA dedicated to the history of the gangs of Los Santos. SMH

@gaminginvestigators

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, that might have been a bad decision.

@eminem4148

Жыл бұрын

​@@gaminginvestigators Nah it's actually good idea

If anybody in the comments had sense they would of know Big Smoke was a traitor to grove st family because if you look at the begin mission big smoke was gonna take out sweet wit the baseball bat but when he seen it was cj and not sweet he tried to play it off like he was surprised to see him.

Google big boy before and after that shit is comedy if you didn't know that's who did big bears voice

This game even got celebs it's nice to undestand it's storyline Gta SA is one ofthe best games ever ❤

What was the name of the mission on 2.29?

Big bear got that look on his face like “nigga I need crack”

Big boi and game did good

Dam

Remember kids doing or selling drugs is bad

First haha😊

@ilikecheesecheese5076

Жыл бұрын

Nope you aren't first

@ilikecheesecheese5076

Жыл бұрын

Off by 6 minutes

@bluedan4306

Жыл бұрын

@@ilikecheesecheese5076 I was joking

@ilikecheesecheese5076

Жыл бұрын

@@bluedan4306 Doesn't feel like it

What if B dup just hooked big bear with drugs and big bear didn't want to betray his homies but b dup just hooked with him drugs and turned him to a slave

@gaminginvestigators

Жыл бұрын

That's a weak excuse to me considering that in the mission "Cleaning the Hood", Big Bear had the chance to leave B-Dup right there, CJ insisted on Bear coming back, but he didn't want.

@boltzy_

11 ай бұрын

​@@gaminginvestigatorswhen you're hooked on crack and your dealer not only lives with you but is one of your homies its difficult to leave, Bear would have probably went if he wasn't hooked on crack.

@hofnarrtheclown

11 ай бұрын

​​​@@gaminginvestigators That's Kind Of A Naive Response Though Or The Guy Didn't Explain Too Well

If grove street doesn't sell drugs were did they get income from before the events of the game

@gohanlopez5330

Жыл бұрын

Robbery and weed

@gohanlopez5330

Жыл бұрын

@@IAGamingWay yeah but it is not one of those hardcore drug that severely fries their brain. No one has ever died from an overdose so its much safer than tobacco and alcohol in the research literature.

@gaminginvestigators

Жыл бұрын

Possibly from typical gang activities like thefts, extortions, and so on.

@ARG_Records

Жыл бұрын

​@@IAGamingWay they were against crack

@hofnarrtheclown

11 ай бұрын

Simply Because They Dealed Drugs Before 1987 Until Brian Died And Sweet Became The Leader

Just one answer (Crack )

Morale of the story. Sweet is useless

@hofnarrtheclown

11 ай бұрын

The Real Moral Of The Story. CJ Was A Busta

Rider look like wiz khalifa 😂

I thought the answer was crack.

@allanturmaine5496

Жыл бұрын

Also, Ryder is meant to look like EZ, so he had to leave the Group. Bye, Felicia.

The voices are amazing but they do nothing gameplay wise

@gaminginvestigators

Жыл бұрын

What do you mean?

@stevengrvp

Жыл бұрын

@@gaminginvestigators the people that voice them are amazing but these do nothing in the game

B-Dup a literal crack dealer working under Big Smoke during the beginning of the game: "Nah, he won't work as our minor antagonist..." Ryder shown to enjoy having CJ back and laughing about old memories of growing up together: PERFECT! MAKE HIM BACKSTAB CJ WITH NO MOTIVE OR VOICE LINES!!!1!!

Over power & drug's

drugs

Bb got back🥱

Big Bear didnt betray the FamiIies.

3rd comment 💀

Bear didn't exactly betray Grove Street. He was just a crack addict who just became sloppy and a possible liability

@gaminginvestigators

Жыл бұрын

Well, in my eyes he kinda did. Just take a look at the cutscene in the "Cleaning the Hood" mission, CJ was insisting on Bear coming back. Even though Big Bear wasn't that useful before CJ came back to Los Santos, Carl knows that Big Bear is, or rather was a really valuable member and tries to get him on his side. And the reply of Big Bear is "Everyone likes to party sometimes, CJ. I'll see you around.", he clearly could refuse B-Dup at that moment and he didn't do that. That's why I strongly believe that he also kinda betrayed the Families.

@ManavJith

Жыл бұрын

@@gaminginvestigators Okay, but I guess that's kind of false. I think the reason he didn't come is because if he did so, he couldn't feed his crack addiction, as Grove Street members are strictly against crack cocaine. But after Smoke created the crack empire, he began to notice the deadly effects of crack and all the damage it was causing in the hood to the people. I think before that, he was oblivious to the fact. And so he decided to rejoin Grove Street after they rise to power again. Also, in his final cutscene, it was also evident that he decided to quit crack, and Sweet takes him to rehab at the end of the mission Beat Down on B Dup

first. haha.

@TheUnknownEdits23156

Жыл бұрын

​@@UDontCare0 wdym

@WickedPhase

Жыл бұрын

@@UDontCare0 I like your Aki pfp!

@rajudhuriya7746

Жыл бұрын

@@UDontCare0 yes i know

Bear didn’t betray nobody he got hooked on that ROCK 🪨

they never say if brian was a child or not when he died