The people in charge of power don't want it to be cheap they want it to be expensive to make huge profits that's private enterprise

@Avidcomp

3 жыл бұрын

History doesn't agree with you. Private companies in a free market compete, and that's shown in competitive costs. Additionally history demonstrates successful individuals such as Rockerfella who at one time supplied 90% of America's oil. He stayed profitable and kept prices low to discourage others wanting to compete. So that flies in the face of the comment you made. It's government interventionism and endless regulations that cause high prices, and once the government intervenes, the biggests businesses get lobbyists to push for more regulations because they know that will provide them with the protectionism they seek. Remove government interventionism and there would be no use for lobbyists. The free market would deal with the rest and the consumers win.

@firstname405

3 жыл бұрын

@@Avidcomp free market capitalism is astrology for white men

@HKspurs10

3 жыл бұрын

@@Avidcomp couldn't agree more. government just needs to set the rules to favour certain industries such as solar and wind vs fossil

@Avidcomp

2 жыл бұрын

@@HKspurs10 That's agreeing with me?

@HKspurs10

2 жыл бұрын

@@Avidcomp yes sir

If it follows the Germany model, when you get to about 30% of renewables in your grid, you will drop reliability. Essentially the turn down of the gas and coal fired base turbines can no longer cover the wild swings of solar and wind. Germany had to reach out to other countries to import electricity during when their renewable sources could not generate the power needed. California is seeing brown outs now as they have approached a similar level of renewables. The solution to this is storage, which posses a significant cost barrier. As well the storage we will need at this scale will call for the extraordinary mining destruction/pollution/exploitation for whatever mineral technology you chose (lithium being the leading technology right now). If you want to address carbon emissions, solar and wind are not very smart solutions. There are two good solutions: Nuclear and carbon capture. The latter could enable the world to use natural gas (plentiful, fungible, existing infrastructure) with less investment.

Australia’s power is not cheap that’s a complete furphy. Just ask any one trying to pay their bills.

@Squashed8Ball

4 жыл бұрын

Kenneth Street The wholesale price is cheap. The transmission cost of the power and the retailers rip us off blind!

@smitajky

4 жыл бұрын

more than 50% of every bill is for transmission. Which makes it almost impossible to produce and distribute renewable energy. SOMEONE has to pay for the delivery.

@klaasdykstra8127

3 жыл бұрын

Subsidised by the taxpayer,will never be cheaper,let the market pay for it,no subsidies! A lot of blackouts,those costs will be payed by the taxpayer,for a lie about man made global warming,,oh sorry,climate Chang now,because it's actually cooling,amazing stuff this .004 of 1% of co2,and allso the trillions of dollars it can create,and all these jobs ,amazing stuff,hard to believe that 97% of scientists agree with this though!

@keesnoort

3 жыл бұрын

Interesting... i think its cheaper then here in the netherlands... how much do you pay anually for how many kwh?

@firstname405

3 жыл бұрын

@@klaasdykstra8127 snowflake

Renationalise the grid. Privatisation has *never* worked.

@jietang118

5 жыл бұрын

Wrong

@drakonn5024

5 жыл бұрын

@@johnsmith-by8xt not trying to attack you at all but you seem to have some miss information there. Solar and wind prices have decreased exponentially over the last ten years and continue to do so. battery prices have also been on a steep downward trend. The GenCost 2018 report by CSIRO and AEMO concluded that building solar and wind generation is cheaper than building new coal plants even when the cost of storing that energy is accounted for. Coal plants are also actually rather unreliable, it takes litterally hours to change there output up or down resulting in way to much or to little energy, with energy storage the electricity is there on demand increasing reliability. We have seen this with the Tesla battery, which has been credited for preventing countless power outages by providing that quick response to surges in demand. I completely agree it doesn't matter if it's government owned or not but I also want to point out coal companies and coal plant owners are given billions of dollars a year of tax payer money (on top of our electricity costs) in an attempt by the government to lower power costs and we definitely know that isn't working. I'm not saying economically it makes sense to shut down all out coal plants today (although environmentally I would still support that) but as mentioned in the video they are all due to reach there end of life before 2030 and as such it is a very realistic goal to transition to 100% clean energy by 2030, something out government should seriously consider commiting to .

@luciusavenus8715

5 жыл бұрын

@@drakonn5024 Isn't it so that subsidies show that wind and solar are not viable sources of energy? What happens to the green energy industry if subsidies are withdrawn?

@dielfonelletab8711

5 жыл бұрын

@@johnsmith-by8xt the mining sector works great... For the shareholders of the mining companies. Meanwhile the rest of Australia is struggling to build enough infrastructure to support the population, and enough hospitals and staff to treat the sick. Look at what Norway did. They forced all resource extraction companies to be 50% nationally owned, and now Norway is rolling in cash and has one of the world's highest standards of living. In Australia we sold the mining rights for a quick buck.

@drakonn5024

5 жыл бұрын

@@luciusavenus8715 nah, gencost doesn't factor in subsidies or carbon taxes or anything, just based on the pure cost of building it and operating it (and a bunch of effeciency equations and shit) new solar and wind are both cheaper than new coal. Gencost wasn't so much looking at it from a government perspective more a economical one. Hence why it just used actual value not how much of that value the government would cover. I'm going to sound super nerdy here but you should read it if you have the time it's interesting to see how different generation and storage technologies compare.

It will continue to hit hurdles simply because it is not sustainable without massive government cash injections.

@dnboro

4 жыл бұрын

Did you like the massive government cash injection for more gas in NSW announced today. Hopefully you will be protesting against this sort of massive subsidy to the fossil fuel industry.

On the way to the most expensive electricity like Germany.

Just making the Rich Richer and the poor poorer, just a money grab.

@brhughes487

4 жыл бұрын

@NonyaBusiness! You have to be kidding, This is what it is all about, getting a bigger piece of the pie.

@immiedwardian

4 жыл бұрын

You can easily run your home appliances for free using solar energy. How is that a money grab?

@brhughes487

4 жыл бұрын

Solar energy is not free or stand alone energy.

@immiedwardian

4 жыл бұрын

How is it not free except the solar panel and inverter cost?

@brhughes487

4 жыл бұрын

@@immiedwardian you have done this yes? And how long to recover the cost.

"For the old coal fire power plants we need to ensure an orderly exit... if we don't we'll have a very messy period that can last decades". Just look at South Australia! The Most expensive electricity in the world. Yet we have a massive local cache of uranium that can cleanly power the whole state extremely efficiently and with no CO2 emissions and the highest energy density available. If we were absolutely serious about the faux CO2 threat we would move to nuclear as the best form of energy with the least economic, ecological and environmental footprint that far exceeds that of wind, solar, thermal and other alternative energies.

@VeganV5912

4 жыл бұрын

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@Dylang01

4 жыл бұрын

The cost to build a nuclear plant is in the 10s of billions. Even if we decided to build one today it wouldn't be producing power for a minimum of 5 years, and that's assuming there aren't any issues such a NIMBYs. The money is much better off being spent elsewhere.

@develote7670

4 жыл бұрын

@@VeganV5912 k

@hawkesworth1712

4 жыл бұрын

Provide the figure that told you SA had the most expensive electricity in the world.

@lovelyjubbly7456

4 жыл бұрын

@Matthew Huszarik beware radioactive bananas! These will be with us for millenia ☢️😱. 😁

Seems the old-fashioned politicians are the hurdle

@malcolmmathers2690

3 жыл бұрын

yes + there corrupt and owned by so n so s like murdock and fossil fuel fat cats

@klytouch5285

3 жыл бұрын

They have to comply or the European union will impose trade tariff on us... 😁 Don't mess with the green..😜

Strange actually.... nobody really talks about how stopping the destruction of forests can also help fight global warming.... perhaps cause there is no money in it

@hermantolu7346

5 жыл бұрын

L CT 👏👏👏

@tjs200

5 жыл бұрын

That has nothing to do with what this video is about

@jonathanpark2170

5 жыл бұрын

also, nobody really talks about how the fight for global warming must happen in 2nd and 3rd world countries, not 1st world developed countries like USA, Australia, Western Europe. These developed countries could all reduce their emissions to 0 right now, and there would be no discernible effect on global warming, because the vast vast majority of emissions come from hugely populated, developing countries

@Midg-td3ty

5 жыл бұрын

@@jonathanpark2170 We in the west started with the pollution first. So we should be the first ones to quit. Also China invests hundreds of billions in renewables. Are we supposed to wait for the third world to change something first? Since when does the west wait for the others ?

@jonathanpark2170

5 жыл бұрын

@@Midg-td3ty in case you havn't noticed, the "west" has already started moving away from fossil fuels to renewables. the reason it hasnt been a 100% change is because it takes time/money to build the infrastructure to support a renewable only grid. furthermore, the "west" already has legislation and laws in place to limit carbon emissions, while developing countries have no such laws or even desire to do so. take a country like germany for example - there has been reporting that germany has already switched its country to over 50% renewable energy, with the goal of going 100% by 2030. that shows you that even a progressive and relatively small, wealthy country requires around 30 years to transition off of fossil fuels. the fact of the matter is, all of the developed countries in the world could go to 0 carbon emissions today, and it still wouldn't make a noticeable change in global warming. that is not the real solution - that is just alarmist propaganda that politicians take advantage of to get their 15 minutes of fame and win their next election. the solution to tackling global warming is to convince developing third world countries to make the expensive jump to renewables (they will need to make the same expensive investments in infrastructure that is slowing down wealthy western countries from doing so). this is a difficult proposition - developing countries will say "you western countries got to develop using cheap fossil fuels, why can't we?" the only way this will actually happen is for wealthy "western" countries to invest in building renewable infrastructure in developing countries. literally, for rich western countries to spend money building up efficient electrical grids and transmission lines in third world countries, building hydro and solar and wind plants, etc... these can be financed and deals can be made, but the desire and political will to give away your tax dollars to other countries has to be there first. also, the political will in those developed countries to allow other governments in and give over control over energy must also be there. finally, there must not be war zones and conflict, thieves and bandits, etc... that can potentially destroy said investments. a complicated and nuanced situation. there is precedent for this - look at places like africa and india. there were no telephone lines build in those countries. they jumped technological generations by going straight to cellular. the same can happen - these countries can go from coal (which is the primary source of energy around the world) to renewable and skip oil/gas altogether, but this requires massive investment into building infrastructure. the west is already "leading" as you say. however, the global warming battleground is in 3rd and 2nd world countries that need massive amounts of cheap energy to lift their populations out of abject poverty. the way to do this is for western wealthy countries to invest and provide partnership with these developing countries. if you took the time to actually understand the issue, instead of swallowing alarmist propaganda and believing fake political scheming, you would understand that the solution to the problem does not lie in western countries.

2.08 in and he hasn’t declared how much they are being subsidised by the Australian taxpayer.

@Squashed8Ball

4 жыл бұрын

Kenneth Street A fraction of the $10 billion the fossil fuel industry has gets subsidised in Australia.

Well it’s 2020 and you guessed it !! My household energy bill has gone up !!! Wind and solar have not driven prices down.

@parajacks4

4 жыл бұрын

Then get your own solar, if your provider is ripping you off

@scottlampe70

4 жыл бұрын

You have to get solar yourself. Because as more people get solar on their house, the power companies get less money, they then have to charge those without solar more for the power so that they can keep making a profit. Power prices will keep going up for you until you start making your own (solar). This isn't a bad thing, it is a way that the government can move your reliance on fossil fuels over to renewables. The only reason people get solar is because electricity bills get too high.

@larsosejohansen

4 жыл бұрын

I agree and I think that it is a very effective idea, as it can be easier for one person to do a smaller project, and you get the effect that neighbors see it and think “I can do it too”.

@parajacks4

4 жыл бұрын

Lars Ose-Johansen People being responsible for their own actions is only a part of combating climate change. Governments need to regulate emissions and subsidies renewables (instead of the fossil fuel industry) And then more so

@larsosejohansen

4 жыл бұрын

parajacks4 Of course its just a part of it! Everything is just a part of it, and generation (and not meaning you at all) the internet is too focused on “this is the problem, this is the solution”.

“Renewables make cheap electric”, yet our prices have gone up, and up and up.

@mikewhite9818

4 жыл бұрын

rdesigns That is because solar or any other renewable energy is not cheap. Never has been. Do not fall for their lies.

@gregorymalchuk272

Жыл бұрын

@@resltessmindtwr If that were the case, then they would sell power cheaply and amortize the capital costs over a long period of time. The truth is that variable renewables are intractably expensive.

It’s not that we should make it harder or easier for connection agreements to be granted, but that they should be written to ensure Australia’s long-term energy infrastructure interests are also satisfied; because in 10-15 years, when all the renewables and supporting infrastructure requires significant renewal, it’ll be the tax and electricity payers, who must pick up the bill, while the foreign investors are off plundering other resources to build and quickly profit from, before selling them off and running them into the ground.

Make your own electricity. By a PV system for your home, stop depending on your government to do the right thing, because they won’t. Take yourself out of the equation.

If wind and solar are so inexpensive, why do they need subsidies from the government? Why don't wind and solar producers pay for their own transmission lines?

@TomBomba

4 жыл бұрын

Coal, oil, and gas all receive subsidies from the government. There are not many industries that don’t to be honest. It’s just the nature of modern governments these days. Also subsidies are meant to increase the rate of expansion of said industry.

@SWOBIZ

4 жыл бұрын

@@TomBomba The US Energy Information Administration provided a breakdown of Federal direct support to energy suppliers in 2016. Renewables generate 14% of our electricity but get 45% of all Federal subsidies ($15 billion); fossil fuels & nuclear get 10% (about $1.5 billion) even though they generate over 80% of our electricity. 45% goes to conservation, R&D, Low Income Home Energy Assistance program, weatheriztion assistance, various block grants, etc. Without that $15 billion dollars, the wind/solar industry would collapse.

@TomBomba

4 жыл бұрын

SWOBIZ perhaps I think they’d survive, but regardless as I said above. Subsidies are used to encourage the development of an industry. Solar use to be extremely expensive and inefficient today it still has problems but people are working on them. It’s a relatively new industry, and has a long way to go. However I believe that it’s potential far exceeds fossil fuels. With people putting it on their roofs and cutting their electric bill by quite a bit. I’ve done that personally and have seen excellent results, but I understand you can’t achieve that everywhere. But that’s why there are other forms of energy.

@SWOBIZ

4 жыл бұрын

​@@TomBomba It's nice to be able to grow you business by having the government give you other people's money. Those corporations are getting rich while selling us unreliable, low-capacity power that requires 100% backup from fossil fuels when there's no wind/sunlight.

@TomBomba

4 жыл бұрын

SWOBIZ I wouldn’t call it unreliable or low capacity. The chances of having zero wind or solar is extremely low if not impossible. Regardless assuming it was possible, I’d then argue there is far more than those two. We would still have hydro, tidal, and batteries built to hold the excess power for when the other options are low producing. From my understanding batteries can actually respond much faster. Par that with most houses have solar panels and the amount of energy actually needed in regular consumption can be quite low. Meaning you have more to store for hard times.

If only there was a way to generate baseload, carbon free, reliable, and cost effective electricty... I'll ponder that while I'm at work today assisting in our nuclear power plants 24th consecutive successful refueling outage. We'll celebrate thirty-five years of safe operation this July.

@thatoneguyc8312

5 жыл бұрын

Yes and what we really need to work on is thorium reactors

@kdanagger6894

3 жыл бұрын

@@thatoneguyc8312 Yes- we need to follow India's lead on this. They are the only country currently funding Thorium reactor development. In the meantime there is no need to hastily ban fossil fuels. CO2 and carbon is not the enemy. All life on Earth is based on carbon. CO2 levels have been 3x to 10x as high in the geologic past and life thrived. Lack of CO2 is the enemy - as is COLD. Cold destroys life, warmth nurtures it. The main reason to accelerate Thorium reactor development if to be able to provide cheaper energy in the future.

@thatoneguyc8312

3 жыл бұрын

@@kdanagger6894 I agree

Snowy 2 “over a billion dollars”. Now, over five billion dollars.

@smitajky

4 жыл бұрын

But compared to the costs of building new coal fired plants even if we wanted to do it?

Emissions cuts from the electricity sector owe at least as much to reduced demand for electricity as to renewable deployment in the NEM. This decline reflects price/demand elasticity, especially by households, closure of some big industrial users, and increased efficiency at the consumer end. AEMO, the system operator, forecasts very mild growth in demand for electricity in Australia, propped up by population growth.

@hawkesworth1712

4 жыл бұрын

Why do you think demand on the grid has fallen? I'll give you a hint. 16.5% of Australian households have PV systems on their roofs. Almost 14 gigawatts. This isn't rocket science.

South Korea just bought 7.500 Molten Salt Reactors to solve their energy and transmission problems. Could easily be copied by Australia

@WadcaWymiaru

3 жыл бұрын

MSR in Korea? Now? Even Chinese and Indians - leaders in new nuclear energy, didn't completed them yet! Plus the number looks ridiculous!

Australia has so much desert.

@gregmatthies8128

4 жыл бұрын

M Detlef but that just half story mate. You need to boost the power along the lines and you lose power the further the lines have to run. Electricity is like water pushing it along large distances requires a lot of power transformers and insfstructure. Not so easy.

@gregmatthies8128

4 жыл бұрын

KEITH TAN so what extream lay large distances from the desert to major centres.

@africanelectron751

4 жыл бұрын

And it's dark half the time

@lovelyjubbly7456

4 жыл бұрын

Tons of flies too. Put them to work on millions of little treadmills? 😂

@neilrevhead9941

4 жыл бұрын

Why ruin a desert with panels They are useless without huge battery storage

According to other ABC reports, Snowy 2.0 could cost between $3.8 and $4.5 billion and act as a 2000MW battery. The 100MW Tesla battery in SA cost $91 million. So that's 41 Tesla batteries for the same cost, or 4100MW distributed across the grid. Another way to look at it is that Snowy 2.0 could provide power to 500,000 homes, $3.8 billion divided by 500,000 is $7,600 per home. That would go along way to subsidising solar and battery at the point of use, putting no pressure on the grid. I get that's a very simplistic view of things, but really, what am I missing here?

@yerri5567

5 жыл бұрын

I'm JustSayin Snowy 2.0 generates electricity. Tesla battery stores electricity. 2 very different things.

@imjustsayin7121

5 жыл бұрын

@@yerri5567 Snowy 2.0 stores potential energy, to be generated when released. So it acts like a battery. I'm pretty sure the water needs to be pumped back up the hill. I think that is comparable to the cost of the windfarm that powers SA's Tesla battery don't you? Also, that doesn't address the point that you could subsidise 500,000 homes, that would generate and store their own energy, with no impact on an ageing grid.

@yerri5567

5 жыл бұрын

@@imjustsayin7121 Wind farm of $165m + $91m battery = $256 for 100MW, thats equivalent to $5 billion for generating and storing electricity for 2000MW. Snowy 2.0 is about $4 billion for 2000MW and acts as a dam as well.

@imjustsayin7121

5 жыл бұрын

@@yerri5567 Hornsdale windfarm, that charges the SA battery, produces 1,050,000 megawatt hours per year, so only a tiny proportion of it goes into the Tesla battery. Which means we would have to reduce your $165 million to a fraction, and then we would have to divide that by the serviceable years of operation and times operational costs, because that is the build cost, not the ongoing running costs. I'm thinking the running costs of major hydro are going to be pretty big in comparison. Snowy also uses energy to pump the water back up hill, renewables are used for this by the way, so it too needs a windfarm to operate. Something you left out of your calculation. i don't have all the accurate costs, only what i can find on our friend google. But which ever way you slice it, and I've been pretty generous by going with the lowest estimates for Snowy, distributed batteries spread the jobs geographically, and outperform and undercut costs. And you still haven't addressed that the same money could subsidise 500,000 homes to generate and store the energy they need, without impact on the grid. Which is the main thrust of the problem in this ABC piece. If the grid is the problem, let's not throw our arms up in the air and say "I guess coal is the only way then' , lets tell them to go f themselves and demand our tax money goes towards affordable solar and battery in our homes, grid and cooperate interests be damned.

@yerri5567

5 жыл бұрын

​@@imjustsayin7121 Just looked into it further. My friend google told me that the Hornsdale Wind Farm costed $800m for 315MW. For a 100MW equivalent thats $254m. Plus the $91m 100MW tesla battery, makes it $345m for generating and storing 100MW. A 2000MW equivalent of that is $6.9 billion. Snowy 2.0 is just $4 billion. And what subsidies are you talking about? Solar panels? Snowy 2.0 is $2/watt. Residential solar panels are $3.5/watt. Thats 75% more expensive.

Modern nuclear power generation reactors are 1 to 1.5 generations ahead of existing reactors, following on their heels are breeder and Thorium reactors which can burn exhausted reactor cores while regenerating them. Following them are Fusion reactors which are a new ball game!

Don't forget that most countries insist on all income being reported in the year earned. Also most companies tend to report all profits in the year earned. Both these make it a little difficult to stash cash away for future projects - like new generation sources.

The politician pledge, and the people get blackouts and high prices.

@lovelyjubbly7456

4 жыл бұрын

According to climate cultists on here "I've experienced no blackout, so they can't be happening"😁

@barunto1

4 жыл бұрын

I bet that politicians has his handy diesel or gas backup generator

@jackfrost2146

4 жыл бұрын

@@lovelyjubbly7456 Much like "It's hot today, CO2 caused it."

@flybyairplane3528

4 жыл бұрын

DxV04 hello, but I recently read about your. Mandated SOLAR & WIND, but writer said ALL IS well daytime, night the WIND GIVES ZERO POWER, SO EVERYBODY own a gas or diesel Generator for night time, Go GOVE ALL SCREWED UP, he said he. Pays 23 cents /kw, that the SAME I PAY IN NJ USA ! Cheers From NJ USA🇦🇺🇺🇸

Ive been hearing this rubbish about cheap reliable energy from solar for years, while bills have increased and reliability decreased. We have already reached peak solar with middle of the day solar providing more energy to the grid than total usage. Subsidies need to stop. As an electrical engineer I was On a team that build a car for the world solar challenge that raced across Australia. My hope was solar was going to be the future, before reality set in. It has its place but has substantial limitations. Such as on average only providing peak output 20% of the time.

@russe19642

4 жыл бұрын

So we give up finding better ways of storage and producing more renewable energy sources and stick our head in the sand and just keep using polluting fossil fuel?Renewables now are so far advanced than 10 years ago and can you imagine if we didn't keep subsidizing fossil fuel industries and turn all our resources and research into renewables one can only imagine how better and advanced renewable energy would be,but you dont want that to happen

CO2 is not a pollutant! Its plant food. Plants and humans need CO2. Australia you need to build nuclear power for the base load. SMR small modular reactors is soon to be available.

There's an amendment bill before parliament right now that will allow our Clean Energy Finance Corporation to invest in gas extraction. It honestly scares the pants off me how reliant we are on fossil fuels and have no ambition at the highest levels to even try something new. Our image to other countries must be pretty backward.

Hey Australia, just take a look at what Poland is doing and do the exact opposite - you’ll be fine ;)

@oldfootage

4 жыл бұрын

The EU really sux at environmental issues. You can't blame Polish people for taking money that is handed out by Brussels. Polish households are installing lots of solar panels. Some stupid taxpayer in Britain is paying for them. Someone in the EU should grow a brain. Spend money on insulating old communist era buildings and housing instead of solar panels in a country which has very little sun. Farmers in Poland cut down trees so forests won't grow. Just give the Polish farmers the money to not farm in order to protect big Western European farms and do not insist that they run their tractors which produce CO2 to mow the fields.

@chrisyorke3013

4 жыл бұрын

I don't know if Poles are buying into rooftop solar, but they won't get much out of it when the outside temperature is minus 20 and the roof is blanketed in snow.

@oldfootage

4 жыл бұрын

@@chrisyorke3013 That's the point! 1 euro spent to buy solar panels in a north european climate is 1 euro not spent on insulation and converting coal stoves to gas. The EU hands out green money in a most wasteful way with no brains or common sense.

@markanthony3275

4 жыл бұрын

@@oldfootage You still think this is about CO2 and the environment? It's about installing a global government by causing western industrial economies to collapse...wasting money just speeds things along.

@gregorymalchuk272

Жыл бұрын

@@oldfootage What gas would the stoves burn? Russian gas?

It's hit a hurdle because the current government would rather cut its leg off than support renewables, seeing as how the Environment Minister has mining connections and the Energy Minister literally has a vendetta against Wind Farms (spoke at an Alan Jones anti wind farm rally). This creates uncertainty around new developments, as the government seems to be doing everything in its power to support coal generation. Also the piece very quickly glosses over how most of our electricity grids (ie key infrastructure) is private owned and operated. Combine these two issues and now you have a very slow and unclear sector in a country that by all rights should be leading the world in renewable energy transition and selling of renewable tech (but nah, let's cut more of the CSIRO budget, when was the last time they made anything useful? No one has even heard of WiFi)

@kulcharles

4 жыл бұрын

Renewable worked no were in the world,and since all this,global worming scary end of the world wich never happend ,the price of energy shyrockrted,and now in Au we pay one of the highest,thanks to brain dead idiots like you to lazy to do same resourch on the subject,

@bobjones7114

2 жыл бұрын

@@kulcharles nice spelling. [insert a fact I have no evidence for here]

I believe that this "In-depth" segment completely misses the point. As with most renewable projects in the world, ours have been rushed into production without any planning - why - because planning takes time, and it may well have revealed answers that weren't palatable to those pushing so hard. A small team over a week could have predicted all of the issues outlined in this video, and probably more as well. We seem to accept interference in legitimate ventures, such as the Adani coal mine, but can't see the danger in just going ahead with these renewable monstrosities. It's well past time that we wake up to the unreasonable political interference in what is supposed to be a free market. If we want renewable (or "low emission") targets, let's make them sufficiently long so that existing energy manufacturing can produce, then plan for the real future, and accept that some renewables just won't make the grade, rather than just subsidising them to keep them afloat. My sense is that if we take such an approach, real innovation and proper planning will (can) occur, and we will be able to regrow some of out lost national capacity in the meantime. Take out the manipulative politics, including manipulation from 'foreign' bodies such as the UN, and Australians will happily knuckle down and rebuild. If you don't, we'll just keep eating our popcorn and watching the circus until someone with some guts steps up.

@Dylang01

4 жыл бұрын

Renewable energy isn't being subsidies. The government is actively promoting coal over renewable energy. The market decided that Hazelwood was going to be shut down. Not the government. The government wanted to keep it open. You're suggestion that the government is somehow forcing renewables on the world is laughable.

@steveaitken5468

4 жыл бұрын

@@Dylang01 Currently there are 400,000 homes in Germany (the European flagship for 'renewable' energy) that have NO POWER being supplied because of payment defaults. In other European countries payment default results in a 'minimal' power allowance, typically enough to keep a fridge running. Many of the European ventures into renewable energy, particularly the home-solar scheme in Germany have led to governments going broke and not being able to live up to the subsidies they have promised. You really need to take off the rose-coloured glasses and see the world-wide situation for what it is. I could go on, but if you won't consider this, then you won't consider any more.

The WIPP nuclear waste dump in New Mexico is for low level waste only. High level waste such as used nuclear fuel has no solution yet. It just sits at temporary storage sites waiting to become someone else's problem. Nuclear energy is a costly disaster not a solution. The WIPP site has also had several accidents with waste catching fire and leaking barrels. They said it was due to improper waste mixed into the low level waste.

"Of the world's proven estimated uranium reserves, 31% are held in Australia (1,673,000 tonnes)" I dont see the problem ?

@coffeebuzzz

5 жыл бұрын

If heavy industry think they need nuclear power then let them pay for it. In Australia, solar power is more than adequate for all residential and most business requirements.

@HuFlungDung2

5 жыл бұрын

@@coffeebuzzz Heavy industry produces stuff on your behalf. You will certainly pay for it one way or the other. No man is an island unto himself.

@coffeebuzzz

5 жыл бұрын

@@HuFlungDung2 I know i'll pay for it one way or another. I also know that heavy industry will chose the cheapest option, which will never be nuclear, not if they have to pay for it themselves without taxpayer money.

@darryljones3009

5 жыл бұрын

You can't just dig uranium out of the ground and use it to make power, you first need an enrichment facility and you need to build the power plants themselves which could take 10+ years.

@lovelyjubbly7456

4 жыл бұрын

@@coffeebuzzz you're dreaming unfortunately. The big question I have for your grand pronouncement is "at what cost?". The answer : With current tecnology it will produce electricity at a cost that will send human wellbeing into the pre industrial era (dirty, smelly, diseased and hard short lives for most people). If you want a time machine to go look at what that's like, hop on an aeroplane and go to a third would country with unreliable /patchy power. No thanks.

This isn’t a problem... if the energy companies insist on their central distribution/spider web model (which they do), we start installing *_local_* production and storage and decentralize the grid.

@mike160543

5 ай бұрын

but batteries are still about 10 times too expensive

100% renewable is physically impossible without energy storage. I recently installed a small 3kw rooftop system which produces about 400kwh per month. I only use 280kwh, and yet am still paying for electricity. A battery would make me independent of the grid

@TomBomba

4 жыл бұрын

Honest Mike there are many companies that sell home batteries. Personally I would advice Tesla’s from my own personal experience with it.

Just WTF pays carbon credits and just who's pocket do they dissapear in ?

@kitkat7523

5 жыл бұрын

Carbon credits are a scam

@chenfei4750

5 жыл бұрын

@@kitkat7523 do u know the "return and earn" plastic project, another scam

@JustMe-bo2yu

5 жыл бұрын

Paid for by end consumer, goes to ruling government for politicians pay increases and retirement schemes.

@kitkat7523

5 жыл бұрын

@@chenfei4750 used to have as a child but we'd collect discarded glass bottles take to shop and get money.

totally missing the main goal of zero need. if you super insulate all buildings and even make a fridge that does not let all the cold out when you open the door, we will need to use less. it is just stupid to not alter building codes to make all new construction energy neutral.

@Shrouded_reaper

5 жыл бұрын

You think housing is expensive now?

@dave-in-nj9393

5 жыл бұрын

@@Shrouded_reaper : the cost of ownership that is heating and cooling will far-far exceed the cost of insulation and reducing operating expenses. the auto industry was required to become more fuel efficient, the first costs were higher because all the technology had to be invented. to insulate a house while the house is open takes very little time. the materials costs would come down and the cost for fuel would decrease as heating and cooling were no longer needed. but the paris accords says that you would pay money to the UN so they can use it however they like and you get nothing. no better cars, no lower costs, just a removal of some percent of your national GDP and that will raise the costs of everything. a lifetime higher tax for no benefit whatsoever. if that tax was kept inside of the country, the politicians would suck it dry. but what is the reason ? they say global warming. so, what is the best way to try to reduce your footprint ? everyone's footprint ? reduce energy use. In some countries the cost to use the air conditioner is balanced with buying food. now, them them to pay extra to the UN. what we have not is going on 30 years of doing nothing. if we do something, it moves the goal posts. imagine if your county was in compliance with the paris accords and there was no fee ? alas, if global warming is the hoax that is seems to be, then this has always been to get you to accept paying the tax.

@Shrouded_reaper

5 жыл бұрын

@@dave-in-nj9393 you seem to be suggesting that all that is required to make a new house energy neutral is to insulate the walls. Guess what? They already do that in new builds and the properties are far from energy neutral, you seem to be quite ignorant on the actual requirements you are suggesting. Already most people cannot even remotely afford a new house and to reach the kind of level you would suggest will increase it by another third or more. Must be nice to be a boomer and have money to throw around, take a look around and tell me how many young people are driving the new fuel efficient cars and how many drive old shitboxes because they cannot afford the upfront cost.

@dave-in-nj9393

5 жыл бұрын

@@Shrouded_reaper : and you are saying that they will be able to afford a 10% tax for the rest of their lives, because....??? you seem to be missing the whole concept of costs. to build one car today , by hand, would be in the millions. but almost every automaker makes huge profits on selling cars for $20,000 USD. could I afford a new car ? not and still eat. but that also means my used piece of C, is much lower. the problem of the climate is that no one is really doing anything. we are all expecting the government to do it for us or some far away magical technology. if you increased a home cost by 20%, people would have to buy homes 20% smaller, but over the life of the home, reap the benefit of low energy costs.

This clip derailed after 25 seconds where electricity is called an economic area.

Cheap renewable energy is a contradiction. That is why my power bill has gone through the roof. You can have cheap IE coal and gas, or you can have renewables. Has anyone looked at what will happen when the solar panels need replacing. What happens to the old panels??

Why is there not one Australian Solar Panel manufacturer, we have all the recourses, and enough empty factories and unemployed, can someone please tell me why?

@dnboro

4 жыл бұрын

So true. And researchers at the University of NSW played a big part in the improvements to the solar panel design and manufacture that helped their prices to drop so much.

Each household responsible for their own solar power generation, no lengthy transmission cost. Each new house made, requires solar installation by bylaw. Too much reliance on corporations is a bad idea.

@mattmexor2882

5 жыл бұрын

Yes, to hell with efficiency and reducing environmental impact. To hell with your current level of quality of life. Build lots of little expensive solar installations all over the place with lots of battery packs containing all sorts of required substances that must be mined and no one wants around after they stop working. My guess is if you are really interested in carbon emissions that nuclear power is the onky sensible solution. As, whatever happens with the emissions situation 50 years from now, some solar and wind will be part of the mix at that time, but not because it ever recovers the subsidy and disruption cost of the technology, rather only because those costs will be sunk and it will make sense in that context at some places where the geography is opportune for solar and wind.

@jimhofoss9982

5 жыл бұрын

MattMexor2 Been 100% offgrid for over 7 years. Solar panels are cheap, under a buck a watt. $25000 invested in a huge 10.6 kilowatt solar system, runs the entire farm. Put it up myself. Grid power 13 miles away, not an option. The self sufficiency should not be UNDER valued....., as long as my property taxes and internet fees are paid, I can live comfortably without other bills weighing me down. Freeing up time to do what I want to do...when I want to do it. Power and heating corporations get no finances from me. Some people like city life.....not me. It’s a choice I do not regret. Nuclear power now is a terrible idea for our children. This technology is killing the Pacific Ocean. There are no safe places to store the nuclear waste, which stays dangerous for thousands of years. I don’t think that this is a long term sustainable solution....the environmental consequences are permanent, relatively speaking. I think the only reactor we should be using is the Sun....it can provide the entire planet with enough power, just have to reach out and take it. Working to line the pockets of large corporations is not my idea of progression. But that my choice, not anyone elses. cheers!

@mattmexor2882

5 жыл бұрын

@@jimhofoss9982 ok but you might have a hard time getting replacement solar cells during the anarchy that ensues during the mass dying as the population of the earth plummets because people in the cities just can't afford enough food. Invest in a tank with a big gun.

@mattmexor2882

5 жыл бұрын

@@jimhofoss9982 btw.. How exactly is nuclear power killing the pacific ocean and how is it bad for the children? It really is the only current solution to cutting CO2 emissions in any meaningful way. If people truly believed the climate alarmists they should be clamoring to put up nuclear reactors. Even if people mistakenly believe that a chernobyl could happen today, isn't it a many orders of magnitude lesser problem than the climate problem as told by the alarmists?

@mattmexor2882

5 жыл бұрын

@@jimhofoss9982 and finally.. The sun is not the only power we need. The energy density is so low. Look at the square meters you need for your uses and then compare tgat with the world power output and consider how many square meters would be needed. And you probably live in a place with comparatively good sun. It would be an environmental disaster. Then consider tgat the sun only shines part of the time and the energy usage of people does not even line up with peak energy production of the sun. Besides the solar cells people would need massive battery packs. Another ecological disaster waiting to happen. If you want to grind the economy to a halt and put people into poverty there are far easier ways.

Wind and solar are so cheap we have some of the highest electricity prices in the world ,try to keep the lies to a minimum.

@chrisyorke3013

4 жыл бұрын

If wind and solar are so cheap, why do they need tens of billions of dollars in subsidies? Any talk of curtailing these subsidies provokes another round of loud whining and wailing from the renewables industry.

@NZH00

4 жыл бұрын

We have some of the highest electricity prices in the developed world because: 1. State governments have privatised grids to monopolistic companies who increase prices to maximise profits and 2. We have some of the lowest proportions of renewable energy supply in the developed world.

@davesmith3289

3 жыл бұрын

@Jeffrey Johnson you sound old, are you old?

@davesmith3289

3 жыл бұрын

@Jeffrey Johnson Yeah, your old.

Only fair way is if you are so bent on going solar disconnect your house from the grid and power your own house

65000 homes at max out put on a early summer cloudless day. What can it do on an avg day over a year? Then zero at night or 1/2 that day.

I think it is ridiculous that they haven't started much earlier!!

The solar panels (about 20% efficient) you see in this video will degrade over time, but when they're replaced, the new panels will be twice as efficient. By that time, the world could have additional power from fusion nuclear plants plus more power from solar panels in space and on the moon. I don't see a problem with recycling the materials used in the old panels--in view of an abundance of energy that will be available for that purpose.

@Juvelqairth

5 жыл бұрын

The only problem they are using toxic chemicals while making solar panels is Silicon tetrachloride.

@dnboro

4 жыл бұрын

@@Juvelqairth If you hate toxic chemicals, then you surely must hate the Mercury and other toxic crap from Coal fired power stations - or do they not count because they go out the chimney stack and disperse such that they are hard to see?

@rustykilt

2 жыл бұрын

we can only hope, as power will only be available to those who can afford it.

@Bruce15485

2 жыл бұрын

Helium 3 is the solution !

Not loving the shaky-cam.

@mutantgenepool

5 жыл бұрын

That's the cameraman laughing.

I was told after getting a second lot of panels at 66 c a kw that it would not decrees. This was great I was getting money back. But then they dropped it to 6 c kw. I was told by an insider the reason they brought solar in is because with the extra growth they were struggling to power communities and to save having to build sub stations on every second street they fooled us.

Record time ? Haaaahaaa Ours here was build in 3 days! (and the big one just over a week)

One season of Australian bushfires can cause as much CO2 as the annual emissions of 5 million Australians or 50 million Chinese people

@budawang77

4 жыл бұрын

It's going to be a lot more than that this season...

It would take three quarters of all the land to produce enough electricity for all of their demands. So much for farming.

"hitting hurdles" includes the laws of physics.

Some states in Australia are most expensive in the world in terms of electricity.

@TheSOULBRUVVA

3 жыл бұрын

Id go off grid in a heartbeat, were i to live in your Great Australia. Solar panels, a small wind turbine if worthwhile, and a massive battery bank to hold/store every Kw generated, if i had water source on my property and running through, id also get a water Vortex turbine running to supply my batteries too.

@solarquotefacts

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheSOULBRUVVA absolutely!! I love off grid systems.

Our politicians are a joke. They waste too much time fighting each other than actually getting the work done!

@kensmith5694

5 жыл бұрын

Politics is the alternative to violence. They verbally and legally fight each other. It is the less bloody way to get an agreed answer.

@firstname405

3 жыл бұрын

@@kensmith5694 To think that we can't demand better than the petty squables we currently have is naive.

@kensmith5694

3 жыл бұрын

@@firstname405 Perhaps we should demand more petty squabbles. At least that stops them from doing anything too dangerous :) :) :)

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't building a huge dam for storage just create another monopoly middle-man in that part of the grid? Better to have a minimum of 3 smaller competing storage facilities whether publicly or privately run?

Prof. Frank Jotzo states there is a wave of wind and solar coming into the grid and energy has become very cheap. That's why Queensland's power has just increased 20%.

Well we're stuffed then with no brain in gov't. So I'll go off grid in the suburbs. It's viable.

The irony is that without coal, the solar panels shown in the video, could not be made.

@curtis-thebicentennialist1776

5 жыл бұрын

@wu ming perhaps you should investigate the raw materials used in solar panel manufacturing and then comment.

@curtis-thebicentennialist1776

5 жыл бұрын

@wu ming ok, I'm going to take the time to explain so that you'll know. First, I never used the term 'coal energy'. I said "can't be made without coal". Solar panels are made (regardless of type) with raw materials. One of those ingredients is Silicon (Si). A solar panel consists of 29-30% Si. The melted Si is derived from a carbon source (coal). Hope this helps!

@curtis-thebicentennialist1776

5 жыл бұрын

@wu ming I'm sorry that you're unable to see the correlation between coal & silicon. No need to be a chemist in order to see that. If I say that I eat bacon but won't eat a hog, do I need to be a chemist?

@kensmith5694

5 жыл бұрын

@@curtis-thebicentennialist1776 There *is* practically no silicon in coal. It is almost pure carbon. Silicon is one of the most common elements in the earth's crust but the one place it isn't is in coal.

@curtis-thebicentennialist1776

5 жыл бұрын

@@kensmith5694 I completely agree. What's your point?

Would advice for people to shift their Super to Future Super as they invest in renewable energy in Australia so they dont need subsidies from the government

It's a vicious circle. For example the housing standards are very low, well below international standards when it comes to thermal insulation. Most houses are made of timber framework, single brick, and gyprock boards, single glaze, on concrete slab with minimal insulation. To keep the house was in the winter one need to use lots of energy as there is no Central heating system provided by a city. In the summer to keep it cool - again lots of energy. Whoever writes the housing standards has no idea about proper house construction, never visited Europe. And then we have public buses in our cities that were made in the 80s or 90s with huge emissions, that are long banned in Europe. Some emitting 2000 times more particles than euro 6 with adblue. And most of this public buses are run by the local governments that at the same time charge us tax for 'climate change' in rates. Maybe ABC should investigate that - how is it possible for the local government to get away with the pollutants like these buses but demanding from people the money for climate xhange.

Peak power in the middle of the day just when everybody needs it..........not

@jesustoldyoutogiveallyourm4880

4 жыл бұрын

Electric cars will suck it all up.

@chijohnaok

4 жыл бұрын

@ Jesus Told: where are those electric cars during the middle of the day (during peak power time)? Are they out driving or plugged in charging? I suspect the majority are out driving and not plugged in charging. I suspect that overnight (not during peak power time) is when the majority are plugged in charging.

@jesustoldyoutogiveallyourm4880

4 жыл бұрын

@@chijohnaok Typically they are parked again, near work. It will take a while to reciprocate power off other solar panels. I suspect that panels are ultimately doomed, because we have such a high energy demand, it can only be solved with nuclear, or something like it.

Power, and Water are basic necessities which should be provided by our elected Government and be affordable and reliable. This was the case until they were sold off to private corporations who now control our lives and the situation is developing where the Government is handing over to private industry the reason for its existence.

@iareid8255

2 жыл бұрын

Rusty, I agree with you on water and electricity being basic necessities, but the reliabity that once was there, and at areasonable price, has gone by trying to connect uncontrolable sources of generation, i.e. renewables. A technically deficient way to generate power and one that causes more problems than it supposedly solves. It is nothing to do with private corportaions but inept government decrees. You cannot power any country on renewables it just can't work (Pure Hydro excepted)

@rustykilt

2 жыл бұрын

@@iareid8255 totally agree..

The Australian model of use of renewable's will hit a problem at a certain point as you have no way to store excess energy that is produced during the day for consumption over night and you are building nothing to generate the basic bed load (Nuclear or gas produced) energy. If I lived in Australia now I would be building a PV electrical system totally off grid with enough battery storage to run my home for a minimum of 6 days with only a small diesel genny as an absolute fall back as sooner or later the power grid in Australia is going to fail in a spectacular fashion as there is little or no built in redundancy or interconectivity.

In 20 to 30 years there won’t be a centralised grid. The only argument for it is profit for a Corporation. Cost, efficiency, environmental sustainability, durability... all these factors favour decentralised self generation.

0:01 wtf is this, a Paul Greengrass movie?

water vapor vs cloud cover is an arbitrary figure ... so all computer model showing warming are contrived… plus weather station temps are fudged in many ways (nth pole is tilting towards sun as per normal long term solar system orbit)… coal fired can be built, : then run for 40 years : then clear the site : at a 3-4 cents cost per KW hr. but only china could do this and then : must remain public ownedFly ash from the precipitates is very valuable to mix with CEMENT (less CO2 therefore from concrete making)

@jarrydreynolds6937

5 жыл бұрын

Coal power is dinosaur technology. Out with the old, in with the new.

The "Paris agreement" Doesn't France use nuclear?

@rickthecountrydj7404

4 жыл бұрын

I believe France is around 50% Nuclear.... The French People are paying almost half of what the German people are paying because Germany is going Wind & Solar Crazy also.

@grlmgor

4 жыл бұрын

@@rickthecountrydj7404 75% also they sell off their extra power to Germany and other countries.

Storage is the problem,, they are now saying it is feasable because individual households have the battery storage,, they want to use your battery storage as part of the grid,, in other words they want you to build the storage for yourself but have access to it when their system screws up

You wan't low emissions with long term goals then we need to go nuclear.

@hawkesworth1712

4 жыл бұрын

Better start raising the cash now because nobody else wants to do it.

As carbon emissions go down plant growth goes down. Is the real reason to create food shortage?

@naughtysanta

4 жыл бұрын

Do u R hAVe ThE StuPID

@dnboro

4 жыл бұрын

Plant life was doing just fine before the industrial revolution when we had 280 ppm - there was more than enough CO2 for plants to use. Stopping emissions will not cause a food shortage, that is simply ridiculous.

@margyrowland

4 жыл бұрын

Plainsman1300 Yes, CO2 is food for plants

@dnboro

4 жыл бұрын

@@margyrowland That's great news Mary. However whenever the planet was a few degrees warmer the seas were metres higher so your wonderful news is somewhat negated by the negative effects of sea level rise that will impact hundreds of millions of people in the next 50 to 100 years.

@dragondadvoodoo

4 жыл бұрын

To accommodate population growth we need more carbon dioxide, more trees and plants. CO2 does not cause warming, it is rather water vapor that causes the warming. If we want to reduce CO2 on the atmosphere, just plant more trees. Turn desert into forest then there will be less water in the sea.

Canberra's vast solar panel farms are in peril thanks to the bushfires heading towards the Brindabellas as of 10th January 2020. Under the `wrong conditions' (Westerly winds and high temperatures) that fire could be in Canberra in two days max. All that grass under those panels will burn like petrol as will any plastic components of the array.

"Cheap"my butt. Nothing has dropped in price to the consumer. You don't own a private company to break even. As for governments, they only look at what they can get out of these schemes.

Australia is ripe for a revolution a very quiet revolution where individuals invest long term in solar battery systems for their house... The whole idea of connecting 50 thousand homes in this way sounds very decentralizing cheaper micro systems very exciting.... I really hope Australia goes this way and becomes the greenest example on the planet hooray :)

@lawrenceeddy1312

3 жыл бұрын

I have friends that have solar panels on their roof and a Tesla battery on the wall and they mostly don’t have to go to the grid for backup,they charge their EV overnight.

transmission from roof to house

Wouldn't be a problem if we just built nuclear on the sites of the old coal fired stations, we wouldn't need all that storage or extra transmission lines or thousands of square km's of solar panels because they run all the time.

@JustMe-bo2yu

5 жыл бұрын

Hazelwood in Victoria and Poert Augusta in SA, also have a look at Google earth Satellite view at Loy Yang B, plenty of room there, it was going to be bigger back in the 90s but broke state government did not precede.

So why is there a limit on how many solar panels you can install on your roof?

The grid should be a backup, the solar panels need to be installed on the roofs of the people that actually use it.

Austrailia can keep a section of country in sunlight 24/7 by orbiting 3 (very large) mirrors. Put all solar in that section, you eliminate the need for storage, and the 4 to 6 times more solar panels required to "charge" that storage.

The LCOE for renewables (wind, solar) is less than LCOE for fossil fuel, nuclear production. It's a bit of a no brainer. Time to upgrade the grid. Let's gid rid of investors and make public utilities for the public good.

and what do you do with all those panels when they need replacing

@elizabethtaylor9321

4 жыл бұрын

Doug Vowell They can never tell us that , same with the bloody turbines !

@duggie983

4 жыл бұрын

@@elizabethtaylor9321 well we know they bury the turbine blades as they are made of fibreglass

A nice piece for all the gullible fluffers out there, wow look at all that metal in those solar panels. Gee i wonder how they mined that and then refined it (space magic).

@sweetvuvuzela4634

4 жыл бұрын

Nulla what happens to them end of their use? It’s another one to the landfill?

@TheOpenSourceMerc

4 жыл бұрын

Ok boomer

A "smart-grid" policy is required from the federal government...NOW.

@coffeebuzzz

5 жыл бұрын

Agreed. I want to be able to produce electricity at my house and charge an EV at work. A simple app should allow me to do that as I'm already paying a grid usage fee in my electricity bill. When you only get $0.06 per kWh generated then have to pay $0.29 kWh, someone else is making a killing.

stupid part time power , that will work hand in hand with wind to add cost, complexity and instability to the grid

"No device can generate energy in excess of the total energy put into constructing it. Energy always and only comes flowing from the past into the future."(The Fifth Law).

@sunroad7228

5 жыл бұрын

@Mykel Hardin Yes, a solar panel can't produce sum useful energy more than it took of total energy to make it.

@davesmith3289

3 жыл бұрын

@@sunroad7228 I assume that also applies to coal, so what's your point?

I love carbon!

@Esthersimpson620

3 жыл бұрын

Carbon is life, that's why they want lower carbon, they are all into lowering the World population by 90% right?

@firstname405

3 жыл бұрын

@@Esthersimpson620 clown

It's good that we are using solar energy and the wind

@haruhisuzumiya6650

5 жыл бұрын

Should really find a way to use the snowy mountain hydroelectric scheme

@donutgamer2882

5 жыл бұрын

Hahhahahahahha

@donutgamer2882

5 жыл бұрын

Good one

@ADerpyReality

5 жыл бұрын

It's booming. Storing all that energy is what the grid is adapting to, it's too good.

@susanafreitas6669

5 жыл бұрын

@@mrsrhardy 😂😂😂😂👏👏👏👏👏👍👍👍

I don't think this stuff, including wind farm turbines can be re-cycled either.

Coal an gas power stations till nuclear energy program is developed. Cheap reliable power.

Most panels only last 25 years

@burgerfc

4 жыл бұрын

And then how get it recycled

@hawkesworth1712

4 жыл бұрын

.............and, what's your point?

@paulkazjack

4 жыл бұрын

@@hawkesworth1712 work it out son it ain't hard.

@hawkesworth1712

4 жыл бұрын

paulkazjack . They last longer than a car or a fridge or a TV. What’s your point?

@paulkazjack

4 жыл бұрын

@@hawkesworth1712 ok then heres my point. The panels very seldom break even cost-wise after paying the initial fortune for them. You may break even you may not but forget any dream of making money on them.

Tony Abbott said he's got no problem with Global Warming Tony Abbott said it's nice and cool in his House in Summer??

@haruhisuzumiya6650

5 жыл бұрын

Probably has a beachfront property in the Sampson desert as well...

@luciusavenus8715

5 жыл бұрын

Idiots.

How much of Australia’s electric bills is taxes?

Aust Coal fired power 67%.? Laughs in NZ renewable ~80%

What's wrong with more co2?

Here in New Zealand we are at about 85 percent renewable electricity FYI Laurie

@joshuak2968

5 жыл бұрын

Claiming high numbers in "renewable energy" is easy when you're a small market in a hydroelectric power heavy area. Without hydro New Zealand would be less green than Australia. Australia doesn't have a lot of options for hydro...

@dnboro

4 жыл бұрын

@@joshuak2968 Australia has lots of options for pumped hydro. This study found quite a few! So if you have too much solar and wind you pump and then release at night. And you don't have to pay for any fuel. This sort of thing is a lot of initial investment but fewer on-going costs. Over time it becomes cheaper and cheaper. energy.anu.edu.au/research/highlights/anu-finds-22000-potential-pumped-hydro-sites-australia

@klaasdykstra8127

3 жыл бұрын

At what cost?

@klaasdykstra8127

3 жыл бұрын

And no reason to,there is no global warming due to co2 in the atmosphere,so why the alarmism?

@klaasdykstra8127

3 жыл бұрын

We had a perfectly good coal fired electricity grid in Aus,any money spent on unreliables is a huge waste of money we have to borrow,For reasons that are as yet unclear,the science is not settled,make no mistake about that!

So if we crank up the subsidies to prop up these new energy businesses and get to 50% wind and solar, our global greenhouse gas emission contribution will be 0.5 (50% of current electricity) x 0.34 (34% electricity of total emissions) x 0.011 (1.1% Australia’s contribution to human made CO2) x 0.04 (4% of total CO2 emission from human sources) x 0.2 (20% max CO2 effect on greenhouse effects) x 0.05 (greenhouse gases estimated effects on global temperatures @ 5%) = 0.5 x 0.34 x0.011x0.04x0.2x0.05 = 0.00000075 of temperature change, Thats presuming the models and theories are right despite the predictions being wrong for the last 40 years. So how many billions were we going to spend in taxpayer subsidies in doing nothing, so we can feel like we are doing “something” or being a “leader”?

if the city people want wind farms ,build the bloody thing on your beaches not in my backyard

Like all others, they can't survive without Government support

@trumpisyourpresident8771

5 жыл бұрын

Ali Ansari you mean free tax payer support.

@briannabernaola5597

5 жыл бұрын

So the coal plant my friend...

@oscarl-b8870

5 жыл бұрын

Fossil fuels receive far more subsidies than renewables, and even without subsidies renewable energy is now cheaper.

@alians1978

5 жыл бұрын

@@oscarl-b8870 If that was the case, Germany's electricity prices wouldn't have sky rocketed like it has after they gone bizzerk on Solar

@klaasdykstra8127

4 жыл бұрын

@@oscarl-b8870 how is it cheaper ,you obviously flunked maths

China produces 1 year of Australian co2 production every 2 weeks... China opened 50 new coal fired power stations (with no scrubbers) this year alone... but yeah Australia needs to do more and Australians need to pay more.

@joelzumstein2954

4 жыл бұрын

Australia has one of the highest per capita co2 outputs worldwide

@antl986

4 жыл бұрын

​@@joelzumstein2954 Joel that's just a , "we want you to feel guilty figure," Australia's output is insignificant on the world stage because we are a small country. We pay more for power and gas than countries who produce many times our green house output. It's a rort.

Correction to the intro: There has been an increase in gas fired power generation, not a decrease as this news reporter incorrectly asserted as fact. That's one of the main reason for reduced emissions given the reduced CO2 to power produced ratio.

Elon has a battery storage unit to store renewable energy but you failed to even mention it.