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I love that Connor is on the thumbnail for this, one of my favorite writers ever.

@nathanrelph3523

5 ай бұрын

Didn’t he leave the band?

@vexedpixels

5 ай бұрын

@@nathanrelph3523he did, yes

@TaylorGumby

5 ай бұрын

@@nathanrelph3523 yep, couple years ago haha

@Memorioso

5 ай бұрын

@@TaylorGumby Why did he leave the band?

@losingapathy

5 ай бұрын

@@Memorioso creative differences with loathe, they didn't want his writing on future projects as heavily as it was on ILIIATE, even though all the songs he wrote (aggressive evolution, broken vision rhythm, the title track, new faces in the dark, and parts of screaming) are all loathes best work.

I love the octaver pedal in Logic. Whenever the guitar lines are thin or a higher harmony needs thickening, I like to layer it in. Good to see others we trust doing it with stock Logic plug-ins.

I do this with so many guitar tracks. That and add chorus to the bass, it adds so much beef to the mix without muddying the low end.

That drum bus compressor is taking a worse beating than Rodney King

@chiefindisguise

5 ай бұрын

😂😂😂

George is an incredible engineer. It’s awesome to get some insight from him. Thanks guys!

Loved this session. Always down for some George knowledge.

Making that bass tone with stock Apple pedals is impressive!

That snare is insane

@louderthangod

5 ай бұрын

Do you like it? I think it’s pretty terrible sounding. Certainly doesn’t sound like any actual snare drum I’ve heard.

@TunnelJumper

5 ай бұрын

@@louderthangodI really do! It’s reminding me of this video of Vildhjarta performing at Brutal Assault 2015. The snare sounds obnoxiously massive in the mix but I honestly love it.

@TunnelJumper

5 ай бұрын

@@louderthangod kzread.info/dash/bejne/aomb0bOsaJm_hto.htmlfeature=shared

@podespault

5 ай бұрын

It's the single most artificial element of modern mixes and is a terrible trend. It doesn't elevate anything in the song and just adds mud to everything. Listen to a mix of RATM or SOAD. Original snare with a light sample touch if any. Drums used to have much more depth and dynamics. If you listen to this mix at low levels, the snare is the loudest element which is ridiculous.

@punchgod

5 ай бұрын

Honestly can’t fucking stand lever’s plastic sounding drums

You can never have too much pog. I somehow manage to sneak a pog onto nearly everything I write. Bandmates appreciate it about 50% of the time.

I have a problem, I octave drop all the time. Don't think I've ever left the guitar in it's native sound, ever.

@Ze_Davila

5 ай бұрын

That's what giga chad people do

@cjmllvv

5 ай бұрын

Octave dropping on your 8 string?

@dogwithbees

5 ай бұрын

You can never have too much POG

@bluetoothpasteman5022

5 ай бұрын

​​@@cjmllvvfor the brownest brown note to have ever browned, octave drop a 6 string bass

@cjmllvv

5 ай бұрын

@@bluetoothpasteman5022 nice man

This is why I quit URM. I have no idea what just happened.

@filterscape

5 ай бұрын

Can’t see anything with the tiny pointer and no VO to explain each move.

@ThrashingBasskill

5 ай бұрын

Has never been different. And tbh, I think it sounds ass...

I like how the guy pretty much throw some effects and barely explain about what he's doing. Ok, it's not rocket science, but if you a make a video for channel that calls itself ACADEMY, you should try harder to explain or at least inform about what you are doing.

@yourmomlovespenis

18 күн бұрын

I agree completely. I'm very confused why he scooped the midst. I've seen videos with the guitar players from Loathe where they say their tone is almost all mids because of how low the tuning is but this producer never goes into why he chose the EQ. I'm guessing playing it by ear because of the different frequency response in the software he's using 🤷‍♂️

Pretty slick riff.

His drums are f**king Massive is that like a parallel compression trick id love to get my drums like that

Anyone know a good octave plugin second to the Boss OC-2 / OC-3

The Omega Hour

back when i had my old Ibanez i ONLY played in drop d dropped octave, the pinches sounded kinda like when pac man gets killed but i loved it

i love loathe

Happy 4 years TODAY to this insane album!

@Fezzent

4 ай бұрын

Who's the song please

Why does the snare sound like it's in a paper bag?

I personally don't like the sound of a pitch shifted (lower) 6 string. It sounds very empty/hollow if that makes any sense.

I don't understand, so if anyone does then please help me. But why add an octave pedal to the guitar if you already have a bass?

@Return2TheLiving

2 ай бұрын

The bass is actually tuned to the same as the guitar. It gives the guitar signal kind of a unique alien quality to it, it’s set to blend with the guitar not just drop it a full octave. It’s used for a texture not pitch utility

Oh yes!!!

Can anyone recommend a free octave down plugin that can do this in reaper?

@ThrashingBasskill

5 ай бұрын

Reaper has it's own octaver, ReaPitch I think

@saylessstuff

4 ай бұрын

Reapitch adds too much latency for live playing but could work in a mixing context

If guitar plays a low E, that is open 4th string on bass, where should bass go ? I have seen sub octave bass guitars, and some of them go under 20Hz or octave under standard 4 string bass and I have yet to hear an instrument like this live. I do not see the point of such low tunings, but I love to experiment with sounds.

@ZalvaTionZ

5 ай бұрын

It's not like distorted guitar is mainly fundamental frequency. Distortion amplifies all the upper harmonics. It's more about the way it sounds. You could just cut off anything below 80hz on electric guitar and still be fine. It's still going sound like it's downtuned, cause the distorted guitar sound is mainly distorted harmonics anyway.

@blaness13

5 ай бұрын

I mean the trick here, and low tunings are two different things, This trick is less about creating a down tuned guitar and more about getting a style grit and nastiness to the guitars, a bass is still providing the basis of the low end. Low tuned guitars are generally paired with low tuned bass, And E1 the lowest note on a standard bass is 41.2 hz, and the octave lower would be 20.6hz, There is definitely a different vibe tuning down that you just don't get with E or drop D, But I think anything lower than Drop A or even G, is basically just a dick measuring contest, in that you're not doing much musical things below that, I like A, cause it's easy to write keyboard parts in A minor, (all white keys)

@kimseniorb

5 ай бұрын

they just like when it sounds like diarrhea

@losingapathy

5 ай бұрын

their bassist feisal and their guitarist erik play in the same tuning, EAEA(D F# on high strings for the baritone guitar). This makes them in the same octave, and that's what makes their guitars sound so punchy and their tone so unique. it definitely makes it so there's not a lot of high frequencies in the guitar mix, but the synths, drums, and vocals, all go over top and fill in the high sections.

@drumkidstu

4 ай бұрын

Loathe use the Meshuggah technique when it comes to guitars. Though they tune a half step lower than Meshuggah, the same concept applies. Bass tunes in unison with the guitars. Your ear begins to loose the bass much lower than E1 so they tune in unison to preserve the tone and make it super punchy.

Y que haces cuando luego de haber hecho toda esa producción espectacular, se lo presentas al artista o banda y te dice que no le gusta porque no es lo que ellos suenan en vivo etc etc

@faustohage9197

Ай бұрын

Les quemas los instrumentos como toda persona civilizada haría

Who said I ain't 😏

Why octave drop when you can just play a Bass VI? That's what I do.

@blaness13

5 ай бұрын

what about octave dropping a Bass VI? Edit: I don't actual octave drop Shit, I just thought it was funny, I like to actually play guitar not edit them. Edit 2: I need to get a Bass VI,

@connormckane2447

5 ай бұрын

They played 30" scale baritone jazzmasters for this album.

@Return2TheLiving

2 ай бұрын

It’s not being used as an octave drop it’s being used as an octave blend, meaning you are getting kind of a mix of both and it just gives it a weird sound, it’s not used to just pitch the guitar strictly an octave down. They are using VI style guitars pitched to E1, they are using it to artificially blend a bit of E1 and E0

damn i didn't know Ryan Reynolds was a metal producer

This works going down a fifth too

Anyone else use the rat pedal in parallel all the time?

Because its been done to death already

you mean a bass?

When you track with 3 basses like on the GOD albums you do not need to. ;) It is a great sound and adds that massiveness to the tone for those who are not doing it.

Too djent-like for my personal tastes, however I do see the appeal in regards to most modern metal mixes :)

This sounds sick, but I can’t stand the snare on this album. Feels weak and poky

@BukanIbuMu

4 ай бұрын

You are so damn right

There's something about his mix on the album that I can't stand

@tavao420

5 ай бұрын

I like him but yeah, his drum sounds are not my cup of tea.. Snare sounds muddy and overcompressed to me, and everything feels way too grided and rigid, even for modern metal standards. It's weird cause he always talks about using the white pony snare as a reference, but I feel like he usually goes in the oposite direction, no ring thuddy muffled super compressed snare instead of an open ringy sound. Whatever, if the band likes it who am I to judge.

@dtrmnts

5 ай бұрын

huh for me its the guitars. Something about how they're eq'd gives me really bad ear fatigue when trying to listen to the whole album. @@tavao420

@BrofUJu

5 ай бұрын

​@@tavao420that's a good point, you just don't hear many ringing snares in modern mixes though. It's more about getting that pop and then letting the room give the sustain

@lannyfce4786

5 ай бұрын

​@@tavao420give me punch > ring any day lol a mix this dense is gonna have a hard time with a ringy snare

@tavao420

5 ай бұрын

@@BrofUJutrue, I guess his snares are just way too clean and haver too much of a spiky transient for my personal taste

I octave drop guitars alwayssss

@dylanhoward718

5 ай бұрын

When everything is low and heavy then nothing ia

@joex-mn4we

5 ай бұрын

@@dylanhoward718 womp womp

@dtrmnts

5 ай бұрын

? @@joex-mn4we

@lannyfce4786

5 ай бұрын

​@@dylanhoward718dumb

@emilrostad9720

5 ай бұрын

@@dylanhoward718 I know you think you said something profound here, but you didnt.

because i dont want to

I don't octave drop guitars because I play guitar.

@blaness13

5 ай бұрын

Right? Modern metal production is just EDM with guitars at this point.

@Nosh69696

5 ай бұрын

Octave pedal???

@Paroketh

5 ай бұрын

@@blaness13is it a bad thing? 😅

@blaness13

5 ай бұрын

@@Paroketh I mean when its 98 percent production and studio tricks, and 2 percent actual performance (that gets quantized anyway) and song writing (used in the loosest sense possible), yes, I would say its a bad thing.

@Paroketh

5 ай бұрын

@@blaness13 I don't get the nostalgic view about performance to be honest. I want to listen to music, not experience a sport event.

that drum sounds so shit i cant even focus on the guitar tone

im sorry but it starting to sound like a fart not like a guitar

@joyburn

5 ай бұрын

By themselves they don't sound like you might want them to, but in the end you're listening to the outcome of the whole mix, not just the guitars, and the song sounds awesome, dude.

@dylanhoward718

5 ай бұрын

Yes something about his mix on this album I don't like. the first album sounded way better ​@@joyburn

@kimseniorb

5 ай бұрын

@@dylanhoward718exactly. Id prefer them to use proper fuzzed out tones and a more organic live drum mix/performance. they used to sound more like deftones and it was great

@tonih.3911

5 ай бұрын

Thats the Point, We Need MORE OF THIS. L buddy

@suzinabxvcb

5 ай бұрын

dont get me wrong i like djent and all metal genres but where is the end point where you just start using overdriven bass instead of guitars. Maybe im getting too old @@joyburn