1. get government to standardize your product 2. charge whatever you want

@EricToTheScionti

4 жыл бұрын

@@mattwells5347 haha

@tonyb2271

4 жыл бұрын

Regulatory capture

@hastyscorpion

4 жыл бұрын

That is how most monopolies are created sadly.

@thndr_5468

4 жыл бұрын

Just get one on Craigslist or Goodwill

@TomJacobW

4 жыл бұрын

Lobbyism. That was the answer I expected, that was the answer I got.

So in other words, they cost so much "because they can." That's literally it. No other reason.

@horseshoe_nc

5 жыл бұрын

Exactly!

@jimstanley_49

5 жыл бұрын

If you consider that the price of a TI-83/-83 Plus has remained mostly unchanged since the late '90s (when I bought mine), their cost has actually _dropped_ due to inflation. A quick check at Best Buy lists the 83+ at $98.99US. Barely changed from the $89.99 for the TI-83 that was common for years.

@GeneralNickles

5 жыл бұрын

@@jimstanley_49 but if also consider that the cost of manufacturing the technology inside said devices has dropped 100 fold in those years, then you realize they are even more of a rip off now than they were back then. And let's not forget they were already horribly overpriced back then. They were likely making something in the realm of 2,000% profit from them. And it's probably like 20,000% now.

@jimstanley_49

5 жыл бұрын

@@GeneralNickles seems like you should be more upset at the educators who perpetuate the _requirement_ for specific hardware. These people hold massive collective bargaining power, but they seem content to roll over and let their students take it up the wallet.

@GeneralNickles

5 жыл бұрын

@@jimstanley_49 that's exactly who I'm upset with. I never said otherwise. The education system that more or less requires these specific calculators are exactly why they are so expensive, and exactly why Texas instruments can get away with making them so expensive. And that's also why they basically haven't changed in 30 years as well. There's plenty of innovation that can be done, but that's never going to happen with the system we currently have.

As someone born and raised in texas, I always assumed that every state had their own state brand of calculators, like there was probably a California Instruments, Florida Instruments, etc. When someone I knew who lived outside of Texas mentioned having a TI I was so confused and asked "how'd you get them outside of texas?"

@aztro.99

2 жыл бұрын

dude literally me as a kid lol

@Quiselott

2 жыл бұрын

That's some funny shit

@SSJGengar

2 жыл бұрын

Same lol

@Randoplants

2 жыл бұрын

Makes sense to me! As a kid I thought white geese must be ‘American geese,’ because Canadian geese implies the existence of other national geese.

@fl0atpvnk

2 жыл бұрын

This is wholesome

I remember recreating the memory cleared screen on a sheet of graph paper then recreating the screen with the image function of the graphics calculator. I then went through the math course syllabus and created a program complete with categories and menus that had all the formulas, notes, etc for all of my math and science classes. For tests and exams we had to clear the RAM on the calculator and then show the RAM cleared screen to the teacher before using the calculators for the tests...well that was menu option #1 in my notes and formulas program...it would display the image of my RAM cleared screen fooling the teacher/proctor into thinking I cleared the memory then going on and using all my formulas, notes, etc on my science/math tests and exams. The best part was that in taking all the time to gather the information on the notes, formulas, etc I learned and memorized them to the point I pretty much didn't need the cheat program and notes. Miss those old days not to mention the games we put on them like drug wars and BASIC ports of Mario, Tetris, etc. Good times...

@jazzvoltz2855

4 жыл бұрын

hahaha love ur attitude bro!

@Malcar

4 жыл бұрын

I made a similar program in highschool. I sold it to classmates, and then made sure not to have it on my own, so I could deny any involvement if it came back to me.

@BooneLuebchow

4 жыл бұрын

r/iamverysmart

@salt5605

4 жыл бұрын

Lights theme from deathnote starts playing*

@classicnosh

4 жыл бұрын

You're lucky because my math teachers were really into tech and erased it themselves. They even gave instruction sheets on how to backup your data. There was no excuse for us.

You know something's wrong when your $100 "graphing" calculator takes 5+ seconds to graph a line.

@BavarianM

6 жыл бұрын

Erik the God Eating Penguin Most are Z80

@firstsurname8931

6 жыл бұрын

Geez, an arduino uno would be faster than that

@aidanmco

6 жыл бұрын

Erik the God Eating Penguin I like spamming a bunch of random but complicated equations and seeing how long it takes to load 😶

@NoorquackerInd

6 жыл бұрын

"an arduino uno would be faster than that" Throw a real-time kernel in the background and then try graphing a line. Hmmm, maybe if I pull some Snapdragon or cheap ARM clone and a gigabyte or two of DDR2 RAM, I could have a 480p calculator capable of playing back video and instantly graphing. None of that Nspire junk.

@vanessavlogs3185

6 жыл бұрын

My TI84 PLUS CE takes like 10 second to graph! They start grid graphing all over whenever I press graph. Is this normal

When you can buy cheapo Android tablets and phones at half the price of some of these TI calculators, you know someone's getting scammed.

@Furral

8 жыл бұрын

+FyberOptic Especially considering the graphing calculators haven't changed that drastically. Same basic parts and functions for the last 10+ years. Though, on the other hand, I don't follow calculator trends, so I might be wrong.

@Gpalmer16

8 жыл бұрын

+FyberOptic Don't let them know you're becoming self-aware...

@antwanarmstrong5987

8 жыл бұрын

you can't use them on ACT or SAT

@MaximillianRobesphere

8 жыл бұрын

+Antwan Armatrong So? tests should be about how much you understood the curricula. Not about the skill of you pushing buttons.

@antwanarmstrong5987

8 жыл бұрын

+Maximillian Robesphere well said

Well it's worth it for an incognito gameboy

@thejummyjum6207

4 жыл бұрын

Or a gameboy itself for that matter

@Zatsuiki

4 жыл бұрын

Back when I was in school only the teachers got the models that were capable of running Pokemon. I could only get stuff like snake (I think it was written in lua). But I sold that damn thing years ago and I'm very very happy about not needing to use it anymore.

@schiefawindustries1619

3 жыл бұрын

They removed ASM support!

For this price I should be able to watch this video on my ti calculator

@no_4259

4 жыл бұрын

Absolute Clown my phone (iPhone 5S, refurbished) costed me less than my calculator (used)

@franciscosoares2440

3 жыл бұрын

@@no_4259 lol

320×240 pixel screen, 128 kilobytes RAM and 4 megabytes ROM... for 100$!! WTF! If anything, the calculator should cost like 20$ or less. Any smartphone will outperform a TI calculator.

@themaritimegirl

8 жыл бұрын

Actually it's 96x64 pixels, 32k of RAM and 512k of ROM. :P I have read that it costs TI $15 - 20 to make a TI-83 Plus.

@vwestlife

8 жыл бұрын

+themaritimeman And an 8-bit Z80 CPU! You can run Z80 assembly language programs on them.

@AdmiralCreideiki

8 жыл бұрын

+vwestlife Yeah, a TI-83/TI-84 is basically a 1970s S-100 bus computer (think the MITS Altair 8800 or IMSAI 8080); except without the ability to do whatever the shit you want with the hardware or expand it in any way. TI-89 is basically an original 128K Macintosh with a shittier screen (but more RAM and more "disk" space).

@HeadsFullOfEyeballs

8 жыл бұрын

+BeFlight It's kind of weird -- in Germany it was 100% Casio calculators when I was in school, and IIRC they also recommended specific models and stuff. But they still only cost like 15-20€. I wonder what the difference is, I find it hard to believe that Casio are just being nice and not exploiting their de facto monopoly like TI do over there.

@vwestlife

8 жыл бұрын

Tom Gray At least in my high school, every student was given a TI graphing calculator to use, and you turned it in at the end of the school year. You only had to pay if you lost or broke it. But when I got to college, students had to provide their own calculator -- and if you want to talk about overpriced, the price of college textbooks is *insane!*

5:35 Wtf is that image?! Did they seriously make a fucking hole in the package completly ignoring the proper one??? WHYYYYYYY????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@homerotreto9391

7 жыл бұрын

Duarte Marques It's called TDT, the Duarte Test

I know this is an old video, but I just came across it recently. My girlfriend's grandfather is Bert Waits, one of the original people involved in the creation of the TI graphing calculators and his name is seen in this video on some of the pictured papers. Although he passed away in 2014, it was really cool to see that and to be able to show her that such a popular channel and video featured him, albeit not explicitly by name. Thank you for this video!

@ash7386

4 жыл бұрын

That's great!

@keeleye7225

4 жыл бұрын

KZread's been around since 2005. A video from 2016 is not what I'd call an old video.

@richardsinclair7661

4 жыл бұрын

@@keeleye7225 Old in a relative context, smart ass.

@onlypuppy7

3 жыл бұрын

Bullshit

@thiagogregory1

3 жыл бұрын

That is so cool!

I will never give up my TI-nSpire CX CAS for two reasons: I have become way too dependent on the CAS for virtually all of my math, and I have over 20 hours racked up in Pokémon Emerald in that thing

@justanotheruser6744

4 жыл бұрын

I think you can copy your save file, convert it to an original save file, and add it onto a cartridge and transfer your stuff to the latest game. Im not sure if its the same thing for ds/gba hacking software, but on my 3ds powersave, I could back up my game with saves on my computer. If ds/gba hacks have this feature, you add your converted save file to the folder and move it to a cartridge.

@TheDangerousOrganism

4 жыл бұрын

Okie dokie you do you man

@SparkingEX

3 жыл бұрын

Quick question: How do you even play Pokemon Emerald on a calculator?

@nono-dy4sc

3 жыл бұрын

@@SparkingEX download it

@fl0atpvnk

2 жыл бұрын

The nSpire is the one with the huge colour screen right? I have some off brand Taiwanese calc.

i like how you mentioned that the cost of this calculator shuts out lower income students. very good to mention this.

@StealthNinja4577

5 жыл бұрын

C H not really. Low income families receive cash assistance. The 100 dollars investment on something that if taken care of can last over a decade and functionally get you through a PhD in the physical sciences is really nothing. There are two types of low income. The kind that can manage money and started with nothing and the kind that is terrible with money regardless of how much they get. The second group even if the calculator was free couldn't afford it.

@mannotwiththeplan

5 жыл бұрын

Where in the US do you live that you get cash assistance? I was poor once and there is no cash. Getting a calculator for school was very hard -- my parent basically have to save a couple months for $100.

@yemo34

5 жыл бұрын

@@StealthNinja4577 Some poor people don't want assistance. Some people live in gentrified areas of the country that were cheaper to live in, and became more expensive to live in overnight because rich white people decide to set up a kraft brewery in the local crack house. Also not everyone can afford a calculater in high-school, never the less a PHD. Have you ever known want?

@cool3865

5 жыл бұрын

@@mannotwiththeplan now days you can find those calculators at garage sales and thrift stores

@WatchHeadsRoll

5 жыл бұрын

I'm so confused. To me, a calculator is a calculator, regardless of whether it's £1 or £100.

TI Calculators are the Beats by Dre of calculators

@RomanM803

6 жыл бұрын

Jorzza Clarkie beats aren't like any headphones brand.

@ToastyDaEngi

6 жыл бұрын

Jorzza Clarkie expensive as hell, useless as shit. If shit wasn't used for fertilizer.

@jet69399

6 жыл бұрын

HP is better

@subscriber6181

6 жыл бұрын

NumWorks is best xD

@chrisresendiz7172

6 жыл бұрын

EXPENSIVE TRASH

I just bought a TI-84 plus silver for $1.50 new in a garage sale

@Angultra

5 жыл бұрын

Nice score

@jeffw1267

4 жыл бұрын

They do turn up at thrift stores, too. Maybe you'll have to pay $5 for it there.

@baileyharrison1030

4 жыл бұрын

William Thurmer A good way to make money is buying Ti calculators off of eBay from people who have absolutely no idea how much they’re worth and selling them way higher.

@ancientgeek3834

4 жыл бұрын

Got my TI-83 Plus silver for $0.75 at a yard sale, kept it for school, but I also resell stuff like that too.

@AmigaA-or2hj

4 жыл бұрын

I’ve bought a black TI-83 for £0.50p from a charity shop.

In my school almost everyone had a TI, I was one of the few to have the Casio that could draw the graphs in colour. Btw, after more than 20 years it still works just fine.

@gate9595

Жыл бұрын

What Casio do you have?

@MrMarcec85

Жыл бұрын

@@gate9595 I guess the one with 3 colours.

@alex_irl6732

Жыл бұрын

@@gate9595 he’s probably talking about the cfx-9850

So basically they copied the design from Casio, cheated them into the first classrooms and then just got a hell lot of money from obsolete devices?

@HearMeLearn

7 жыл бұрын

Simon Ro that's the best way to do it. Take someone's idea, improve it slightly, beat them to the punch, and watch the money roll in

@stevenreyna3437

6 жыл бұрын

They don't make a ton off calculators. It is one of their least profitable businesses

@PandemicGameplay

5 жыл бұрын

Welcome to crony capitalism. And their stocks jumped from the 1960s-2000s.

@darmok3171

5 жыл бұрын

Granted, I went to school before smartphones became popular, but my TI-89 was super useful for a lot of my courses. They did develop a hell of a lot of software for it, and I'm still impressed by the computer algebra system.

@Oshyrath

5 жыл бұрын

Simon Ro how much money do you think TI makes off of these? It's 5% of their market. TI is not a calculator industry.

TI really needs to be hit with some antitrust suits for this whole thing. In a perfect world, they'd be charged to open source the hardware and software and let anyone produce TI-8x compliant stuff. We don't even need innovation at this point, we just need hordes of these exact same devices for cheap.

@Yodagamer1

8 жыл бұрын

+Gena Trius I've always been surprised they've gotten away with it for so long. The only reason they probably get away with is the government doesn't want to interrupt a company that schools are pretty much depending on for their graphing calculators for testing, homework, etc.

@322tor

8 жыл бұрын

+yodagamer1 Maybe the politian's are getting a bit of cash from Ti. I'm wondering if they are using a Ti calculator to estimate the sum they want from them, possibly making a graph ?

@MortimerZabi

8 жыл бұрын

+Gena Trius Add Pearson to your hit list. They own the Standardized Testing Market and it's severely limiting what can be taught in schools and how.

@Yodagamer1

8 жыл бұрын

X3C Yeah they certainly don't complain when they over charge for the same technology from years ago because of it...

@skyhop

8 жыл бұрын

+yodagamer1 Don't give them your money then. If the school requires it, bring it up at the next meeting, and bring up TI's history here and how they're monopolizing with $100 devices in a market where a $10 device does the same thing.

Growing up in the 90s in Texas, I thought it was just a Texas thing lol

Thanks for telling me why i had to spend over a hundred dollars for one of those for some international math tests!! So basically it's lobbying and an almost monopoly!!

@changer_of_ways_999

Жыл бұрын

Which basically sums up the entire education system

I may have a ti 84, but I think it was a rip off. The school forced us to buy that specific model...

@trychan959

7 жыл бұрын

Gregory Smith what a school marketing ti products ...

@glass4600

7 жыл бұрын

TryChan oh definitely

@adrianborinsky2989

7 жыл бұрын

I borrowed one from my highschool library, never gave it back. still using it in university

@adrianborinsky2989

7 жыл бұрын

HillMeister's HQ Try using your phone's "free app" for a University exam.. You'll get a sweet 0 for cheating.

@ryzyooritzz

7 жыл бұрын

Of course i will. Thats the problem. Techology has moved forward while education has been standing still. In my school every one had a laptop that we got from the school and they only took it back when we graduated. Still we were going to pay 100 dollars for 30 year old technogoly in the form of a fucking calculator. Its not like the graphing calculator has some sort of magic chip in it to do what it does. It's just a primitive computer, the markup on them ought to be crazy.

Moved from TI82 to a Casio fx9860, don't miss a thing, even has backlight for late night calculus ;)

@glokta1

7 жыл бұрын

So true! Ditch that TI and get the Casio. Has so much more features and is much cheaper

@rinhato8453

7 жыл бұрын

Eric Öhman Its funny that cause I'm in the UK, I've never even used a TI calculator. Always the ugly blue Casio :b

@ericohman

7 жыл бұрын

In Sweden TI has been the recommended (by schools) calculator. Had a TI82 in my teenage years and now that I've started studying again I went out to try a Casio :D I've seen those blue ones 9750 IIRC, the input is not as nice when it comes to entering fractions etc. The 9860 is twice the price but worth every penny :)

@NotApplicable2874

7 жыл бұрын

I don't know if I could switch. I know the TIs like the back of my hand. Even taught myself how to code in them.

@glokta1

7 жыл бұрын

Chris Varghese It takes some time to get used to the Casio but once you learn it, trust me, you're not gonna wanna go back

I love how schools are finally catching on and letting students use apps which do the same thing. I wish they had this when I was in school. Would have saved me $95 because the app from the MS store is only like $5.

@wparkerunc

Жыл бұрын

wait people pay for a calculator app?

I bought this damn thing twice, kept it for two weeks each time and returned it back to Walmart after my Calculus class no longer required it)))))) i beat the system!!!!!!

AMD, don't let this happen with the CPU and GPU market. lol

@louislu1067

7 жыл бұрын

hey

@0bloodshot0

7 жыл бұрын

nope, amd's problem is everything exept the pricing structure. intel is more efficent (at least was better for laptops bc of less heat and better battery life), is better at more demanding tasks ("gaming", cad, movie rendering) and has more big third-party service provider (m$, dell, lenovo,hp). for everything else (so small companies and "the average users") amd is better suited. intel did advertising very well at the time amd had the lead :/

@ThatsPety

7 жыл бұрын

+silverbackflyer no Idea of what? Now I must know!

@denissandu2138

7 жыл бұрын

umm, the ryzen will hit you so hard :))

@JigglyJuice-sl4mx

7 жыл бұрын

Denis Sandu umm, what if it doesn't :))

I had to get one when I just moved to the States and didn't have any money. It was expensive. And then all I ended up using it for is playing games between classes.

@JohnSmith-wx9wj

5 жыл бұрын

@@ghost-jesus I'm guessing that since you figured that out, you had no problem passing tests anyway.

@TheLuismaBeaTle

5 жыл бұрын

ghost jesus when cheating requires a lot more creativity, problem solving capabilities and raw brain power than actual tests.

@thkarape

5 жыл бұрын

@@nykal1510 I have a suspicion that the program was probably written by /g/

@iiWNMii

5 жыл бұрын

I fondly but vaguely remember a text based GTA type game.

I remember when I was in college in trig and calculus classes I loved how the textbooks had graphing calculator sections and it kinda motivated me to work harder and made it more exciting

@Crazytesseract

5 жыл бұрын

But are you a corangle duntrie? Hah then!

It's crazy how different the spheres of influence are for calculators across the pond. In Europe its all Casio calculators from what I can see, but in my secondary school you'd see the ocassional Sharp calc, even the calc I used was a 10 year old Canon. Now, for the UK A-Level at least, there is a certain calculator (Casio fx-991EX) that we almost need for the exams - Casio calcs are even referenced multiple times in the official couse textbooks, for stuff like graphing polar coordinates and inverting 3x3 matrices. At least the differnece is that my calculator new cost me £22 ($28.79). Charging $100 for a calculator would seem unimaginable over here, considering that's the cost of a week's household shop.

ah yes the calculator wars of the 70s. brother against brother. I remember tales of war chiefs who would take the teeth of their victims and use them as the buttons on their "magic numbers square" that's what we called them before someone started calling them calculators.

@BrianHuynhPersonal

7 жыл бұрын

Jhendka P. remember the fx=9/11 bombing when someone flew a airplane into the math room of mrs.trade and her twin?

@jhendkap.2340

7 жыл бұрын

Brian Huynh do I remember? I was a first responder. all the blood and half finished linear equations still haunt my dreams.

@qwertykeyboard5901

7 жыл бұрын

Jhendka P. Lol magic number squares

@MinutemanOutdoors

6 жыл бұрын

*ceremonial drums and beeping starts* To war my brothers! Make them divide by zerooooooooo!!!!

@R3TURNZ3R0

5 жыл бұрын

LMAO!! *This is how to internet*

the best part was coding a cheat sheet into an "program" and well, so much for not cheating.

@ETXAlienRobot201

6 жыл бұрын

I find it funny they overlook this, you can use those to cheat quite a lot. (not to mention, load games, which is a distraction)

@zokalyx

6 жыл бұрын

well it's not supposed to make games. Programs are supposed to make custom calculations (interactive) like I made quite a few for surface area and volume of shapes just entering a bunch of values and the answer is spit up nice :) I know you can make WAY better stuff i just don't use my calc much

@ETXAlienRobot201

6 жыл бұрын

My point isn't that they were designed to do it, or are supposed to, my point is they're capable of doing it at all. and that sounds neat! There's a video here of a raytracer, check that out!

@oldtwinsna8347

6 жыл бұрын

As I recall, pecking the characters in actually made me memorize the formulas just by doing that.

@MrHatoi

6 жыл бұрын

Our teachers are a little smarter, they make us clear the memory before tests. Just a little though, since they only clear the RAM, not the flash memory, so you can still "Archive" all of your stuff so it doesn't get cleared.

I have found that my TI-89 Titanium has given me a massive advantage over my peers in my engineering math courses. The commonly used and accepted model throughout my college is the TI-84, and I think that it's interesting that a simple difference in choice, and $40 has made such a difference.

@spearmintlatios9047

Жыл бұрын

I found one, in pretty good condition, at a pawn shop for 4 dollars. The TI 83 and 84s were 40 dollars, so this must have been a mistake. I realized it has algebraic manipulations as well and I’m excited to integrate it into my comp sci classes..

We didn't use graphing calculators just scientific calculators in my high-school. If they had dictated a make/model they would have had to supply them due to the rules at the time so you were allowed any scientific calculator (and they had loaners for the poor kids, like me). I have a fx-7000GA now though. It's my favourite calculator.

Thank you for doing this addendum! I can't heap enough praise on your quality of your voice delivery, on the visual quality of your images and edits, and on your choices of subject matter in the first place. Stay awesome!

@LGR

8 жыл бұрын

Thanks very much the kind words!

Interestingly in the UK it's Casio who dominate, or at least it was back when I went through school. You'd see maybe one or two kids per class use a TI model with everyone else using a Casio fx type or other Casio line.

@kelvinwills2394

6 жыл бұрын

Yblad I am year 8 and we still use casio

@MissDatherinePierce

6 жыл бұрын

In Germany both are present. I used a simple Casio in 7th and 8th grade and then we had to upgrade to a CAS by Texas Instrument

@ansora8619

5 жыл бұрын

It seems that TI's influences are restricted to America only, I'm living in a random Asian country where almost every student uses a Casio fx

@ZILOGz80VIDEOS

5 жыл бұрын

Thats interesting, even in upper level college courses I basically never see any models but TI.

@cryptiidcrow4967

5 жыл бұрын

yeah, casio still dominates the uk, i still use the same casio calculator my sisters used ~10 years ago when they were in secondary school

Silly thing is the ti-86 that was discontinued, was the only one allowed in my college electrical theory classes. The instructors had to tell us to just hit up eBay because they didn't want to actually teach, just instruct us on how to use their choice calculator. They did do one thing my 84+ silver didn't, but I'll be damned if I can remember as neither has been used in 10 years.

@Olivia-W

4 жыл бұрын

Meanwhile I went from high school in the US to college in Europe, and boy did that TI 84 plus help with basically everything. While my fellow students struggled to plot something, I tapped a few buttons and voila. Every calculator allowed test also allowed this, and no one checked if I cleared memory. I never cheat, but it'd be sadly too easy. Now I got myself an 89 Titanium, and am selling the TI 84 plus for a nice price after _7 years of using it._ I'd say a big part of the price is just being able to chuck the thing at a wall and not break it.

@jessehill9993

Жыл бұрын

Lower case typing and less memory/slower Z80 CPU 😂

The best cientific and graphic calculators I've owned have been casio the fx92ms fx991es/la and a fx cp400, also owned an hp 50g and ti 30 scientific.

@stacia6678

3 жыл бұрын

Casio fam! I still have my Prizm

They must be a bit more sophisticated now? There's a video on KZread of someone running DOOM on one.

@TheHordeQ

8 жыл бұрын

+Hellbent It's to continue making the same profit without having to make any investment. You can buy a cheap tablet for less than a graphing calculator and it has just as much chance to cheat as a TI only it's not slow as dogshit and you can actually read the screen without destroying your eyes. People need to stop making excuses for not updating the technology and curriculum and just move the fuck on already.

@Marjuuu

8 жыл бұрын

+Hellbent are you the real hellbent if so I love your voice keep up the good work

@SianaGearz

8 жыл бұрын

+Larry Bundy Jr Standard models still use ultra low power, current production versions of Z80 that the very first models used. Zero cost pretty much. It will run you for example a simple raycaster, like a wireframe (untextured) Wolfenstein3D like-game. They don't have to rewrite software and they can clock it much faster these days without much battery impact. They are in wide production, that's for example what some of those $7 digital keychain picture frames used that were popular a couple years back, and it's also used in numerous MP3 players as input and display processor. Higher end model TI-89 became available with Motorola 68k series processor in 98. The choice was made for a reason, the same processor was used by Palm in the Pilot a year prior, because a power-optimized, high-volume, cheap version worth a handful dollars was abundant. The processor was already on its way out: higher-end devices like PSION 5 were already using ARM7TDMI. What the 68k will give you is a textured Wolfenstein3D like game, and there was indeed a game called Doom for the TI-89 styled after the PC classic, but running on a Wolfenstein-like engine. Then when supply of 68k started to dry up a few years ago, they switched to an ARM9, which by then also reached the $4 mark. Those could actually run Doom and more fanciful things. Details are sketchy, but chances are, it doesn't have an FPU, a floating point co-processor. Higher end Casio nowadays uses a modified Renesas SH-4 running at around 30-50 MHz, with an FPU but without multimedia instructions. That might not sound like much, but this processor is a force to be reckoned with, it will easily run circles around an FPU-less ARM and at 50Mhz would just about match approx. 80-120Mhz ARM9 and ARM11 on integer workloads too. Original SH-4 running 200Mhz was a dedicated multimedia processor, and with the multimedia instructions (single cycle vector multiply, 4-cycle vector-matrix multiply) that the calculator version lacks, was responsible both for game logic, and geometry processing (transformation and lighting) on the SEGA Naomi arcade machine (1997) and the revolutionary SEGA Dreamcast home game console (1998). Fell short of performance of Playstation 2 vaguely by the factor of 2.

@LordArikado

8 жыл бұрын

+Larry Bundy Jr Do you just comment on every video on KZread? Seriously, I find you commenting on the most random videos, even on the DSP Christmas one on my other channel.

@Satakarnak

8 жыл бұрын

Tjhay are slow as hell i wold say that Thir profit is extrem the parts får Them cant cost more Then 3$

They cost $100~ because they're the only electronic devices most professors allow in the classroom, especially during tests. lol

@cool3865

5 жыл бұрын

except the ti-92, it is still banned

@leozendo3500

5 жыл бұрын

@@cool3865 I know. Such a joke. Now practice tying on a abcde rather than a qwerty

@deepbluereason

4 жыл бұрын

This will vary by school, of course. I was surprised when I went to university that graphing calculators were not allowed in any of my math or physics courses. Not a single one. I ended up using a Casio fx-300MS scientific calculator throughout school which cost me all of about $10 iirc.

@noelpineiro4640

4 жыл бұрын

Yup

@PlaystationMasterPS3

4 жыл бұрын

@@deepbluereason at my college, the math classes from calc on don't allow calculators on exams, but they're written in a way that it wouldn't even be helpful to have one even if you could, which actually made them easier than if you had all the calculations but a calculator to help. the physics department does allow calculators in exams, which makes sense

you know what i remember doing with these calculators before gettin serious with them in college? 58008

@lol-nc3tz

3 жыл бұрын

Everyone does

@starliner2498

3 жыл бұрын

I did 5318008 on my Casio

@stargamer777

3 жыл бұрын

What does that do?

@wta1518

3 жыл бұрын

I’m having flashbacks to my 8th grade math class.

I always wondered this. Literally everyone one of us in the UK use like $10 Casio calculators with the same functionality and when my US friend showed her texas instruments one to us the difference was negligible outside of some bespoke rarely used functions.

I totally can understand why schools would all want a uniform device that only provides the functionality that is required for the courses, but the fact that the prices are still so high is so absurd. Its also amazing to me that even tho much is said about how ridiculous the cost of textbooks are, that for some reason when it comes to a old piece of technology people just accept it.

Better question: why doesn't everyone buy these things second hand?

@LGR

8 жыл бұрын

+Andrew Ballard Even second-hand they go for quite a bit. This used one sold recently for $80. www.ebay.com/itm/Texas-Instruments-TI-89-Titanium-Graphing-Calculator-With-Case-Great-Condition-/231807905046 Schools often sell them right on campus at a discount, so you get a new one at about the same price as a used one. This is yet another incentive TI has in place so that schools push them continually.

@YuukitheMighty1

8 жыл бұрын

+Bart Stikkers I would love to buy these things second hand because I need one in about a week for college :(

@Yohfay

8 жыл бұрын

+Bart Stikkers If my experiences with them are any indication, it's because they don't last long tossed around in booksacks. I had to get three separate ones starting in high school and ending in college simply because they stopped working.

@JuggleAddict

8 жыл бұрын

+YuukitheMighty1 I've never heard of someone needing one in college. That's ridiculous.

@ziginox

8 жыл бұрын

+Yohfay You must have been really rough on yours, I have a variety of 8x series units and have never had issues. o.O

At least they last. I bought my TI-83+ at a Garage Sale in 2001 for $10. It still works to this day.

Love your work! Thanks for the tech history lessons.

Well duh. Everything is bigger in Texas, and so are the prices

@chevyfan7930

4 жыл бұрын

[*Cries in Texan*]

@no_4259

4 жыл бұрын

Chevy fan Sad Yeehaw

@aorusaki

4 жыл бұрын

Hahaha

An idea. 1.Buy calculators and raspberry pi in bulk. 2. Replace mainboard with raspberry with custom software installed. 3. Sell to desperate college/university students. 4. Profit. Functions: emulated calculator that looks the same as the original unit, Internet connection, cheat sheets.

@raafmaat

8 жыл бұрын

+BobvanKay just look at images of the raspberry pi, it is too thick to fit inside calculator casing ;)

@MarcoZ1ITA1

8 жыл бұрын

+raafmaat Not the Pi Zero.

@hene193

8 жыл бұрын

+BobvanKay Too slow to boot. Bad battery life. Expensive. (screen+keyboard+raspi+battery+other stuff needed) Also it would never be okay for tests since you can cheat so easy. (tbh you can run linux on Ti nspire)

@zubirhusein

8 жыл бұрын

+BobvanKay The Arduino (the upper level models at least) would be at least as powerful as the Z80 in the TI-8x series and would be a better choice than raspberry pi

@hene193

8 жыл бұрын

2chws Too old. Why use 8 bit when you could use ARM? Like the nspire models use.

My more than 15-years-old TI-89 is still working and looking good. I used to program it in C with TIGCC. And I also played games like Super Mario and Galaga on it with very high frame rates. These are great devices, I am glad LGR reviewed them.

I absolutely love your calculator videos. You might consider doing a video on RPN vs. algebraic data entry.

What I got from this is just a great guide in how to establish a monopoly.

This is the kind of information I never asked for, yet I'm very glad I'm informed. Thanks, LGR!

@LGR

8 жыл бұрын

You are welcome!

I remember using school issued Texas Instruments four function calculators in elementary school.They were priming us even back then! Although my first scientific calculator was a Casio, my eventual graphing calculator was back to good old TI.

I spent $145 on a TI-84 CE ...with fafsa money. I needed it for a class in college. Now it's just used for games. :/

@davidcartagena1272

4 жыл бұрын

Azuel Zorro ti83 cost $120 at my college

I bought a TI-83 at Goodwill for $4.

@brianjohnston8789

7 жыл бұрын

I can beat that, I just bought one for $2.88 at Goodwill.

@cybermonkey9334

6 жыл бұрын

Garage sale 1 dollar

@xboys_archive

6 жыл бұрын

SPCyakima107 1$

@newagederpderp

6 жыл бұрын

:P he got one for $5

@JoseDiaz-er4ww

6 жыл бұрын

i bought in second hand used website for just......$15.00 !!!! After a good check at my room discovered it was a theft hahaha, now I use regularly and its a very reliable device.

Who else remembers the "drug wars" game on the TI-8x series? In the late '90s, Casio made a big push to try to break TI's molopoly with their introduction of the first graphing calculator with a color display. But the LCD was non-backlit and only had three colors (blue, green, and orange). It was difficult to read in dim lighting and the contrast between the colors wasn't very good, so it was not a success.

@afrosheenix

8 жыл бұрын

Killed alot of hours playing a Java port of drug wars on my old sidekick.

@compu85

8 жыл бұрын

+vwestlife I have one of those calculators. It was slower to graph things than a TI, but it has better keys and had built in formulas. It also cost a lot less than a TI.

@themaritimegirl

8 жыл бұрын

+vwestlife I would have considered the color screen units a success. Casio made them for 12 years, and there are many of them on eBay today.

@CGQuarterly

8 жыл бұрын

+vwestlife I remember playing that game on my PC back in like 1990.

@karakuroraka3172

8 жыл бұрын

+vwestlife They were a popular alternative for a lot of people who needed a calculator for statistics. From what I remember, it was about half the price of the TI model that had built in stats functions, and it was extremely easy to use. I also don't think the screens on the 90s TIs were any easier to see, either.

Always had HP ones, RPN FTW.

the programming community was built right into the TI website, which was awesome. Great modding community.

I remember choosing Casio's graphing calculator back in the day because the TI looked more like a Fisher Price.

"It was time for TI to take action!" Don't you mean "Take Initiative?"

@davidt791

5 жыл бұрын

What?

@jenathent4840

5 жыл бұрын

David T take initiative “TI”

@DansuB4nsu03

5 жыл бұрын

Ah, I see what you did there.

@1d10tcannotmakeusername

5 жыл бұрын

*puts sunglasses on*

@grimhunter42

4 жыл бұрын

Not funny

When I went to school for business, one of our required purchases was a TI BAii+ Financial Calculator. All our textbooks had step by step instructions tailored specifically for this particular calculator. In fact - we were not allowed to use any alternative. Not that there were many alternatives. The HP12c is the only stand out option, and that requires understanding RPN - which most people my age aren’t super familiar with. I later learned that the BAii+ and the HP12c are essentially the only two acceptable financial calculators that can be used during accounting examinations. Fortunately, putting the monopoly aside, the BAii+ actually is a really good calculator.

Thanks TI. I used the TI-82 in school and all I learned to do was memorize button sequences to get the right answer.

LGR just made me interested on the history of graphing calculators...

This video is a follow-up to *LGR Tech Tales - The Calculator Wars*: kzread.info/dash/bejne/mWqes7iqm9PQk5s.html If you found this video interesting, do check it out! If not, well, I'll just go have a long cry.

@gfs5551

8 жыл бұрын

You could do another addendum about financial calculators, like the HP 12C. If there are other models...

@radicalbacon

8 жыл бұрын

+Lazy Game Reviews When I went to Nuke school, we weren't allowed to use graphing calculators because of the programmable nature. I once heard of -- so this may be completely false -- of someone programming a graphing calculator to do an estimated critical position calculation, who then got his calculator taken from him because it had "classified" information on it. (You could teach yourself how to do an ECP on the internet, but whatevs.)

@MalarkeyTVdotcom

8 жыл бұрын

+Lazy Game Reviews This was definitely the most informative vid you've done so far! Freakin' fantastic. You could be a journalist, for sure. Can't wait to see the Graphing Calc games vid... Make sure you do Drug Dealer! :D

@stephonovich88

8 жыл бұрын

+radicalbacon Sub Nuke ET - you can absolutely input points from OI 2.1 graphs and have the calculator return polynomials. From there, it's just a matter of writing a program. Not that this was ever used, of course.

@krisreddish3066

8 жыл бұрын

+Lazy Game Reviews I did find it interesting, I enjoy most of your work, but this one pissed me off. Not at you though, but I hate when things like education systems are taken advantage of by commercial interests in ways like that. Not that you cannot make a buck of education. However, a monopoly used to jack up the price to students that have no choice is just in bad from, as are 100$ plus text books and other things. I knew about this, having been made to purchase one in the past, just never really thought about it before. I also did not know it was that deep into public education policy.

It seemed like a majority of my calculus classes in college wasn't so much on theory or anything like that, but more or less "HOW TO USE THE TI-83 TO GET AREAS UNDERNEATH CURVES" and other things. I swear we spent more time learning how to do it on a calculator than we did learning the underlying principles of things like differentiation and so on. On a side note though, I was given a Casio Algebra FX 2.0 when I was in high school for competing in some math thingy at the local community college and I still have it today, not that I use it though, but I think it was easier to use than a TI, except for when you were learning how to do something new and all the college math classes taught "TI-83" and "TI-84" and the manual wasn't always clear on how to do some advanced things like integration and area under a curve and so on.

I've just bought a TI Nspire Cx for my math test...this calc gotta bring me to the moon and back for its cost and power...

casio fx series were the only approved calculators in my school (UK) TI crap was 'programmable' and thus banned

@bskull3232

4 жыл бұрын

Some fx can be programmed. My 5700 is. I used it to smuggle formula sheets to exam.

@El_ACG

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly. I live in germany and we all had casios and sharps since programmable calculators weren't allowed. Also the prices weren't nearly high as TI's, I remember my Casio calculator was priced around 30-40 Euros ten years ago. You can see that big companies basically still rule the US. TI was the major sponsor of these teacher associations. That's why all schools had to use their devices, which led them to determine any price they wanted

@dysonspreybar4903

4 жыл бұрын

you can make fxcg50 programs in python lol.

@illford6921

4 жыл бұрын

@@bskull3232 those were usually for Uni students, the people who wouldn't have time for games on their calculators

@illford6921

4 жыл бұрын

@@dysonspreybar4903 no one wants tos learn python just to make pacman, also why would uni students care, in the UK most uni students have Laptops so the need for something like that is pointless, why are playing games in an exam in the first place

you make the most uninteresting things, interesting.

@LGR

7 жыл бұрын

Glad you think so :)

@tjja7321

6 жыл бұрын

i thought you meant he made the most uninteresting videos and then i realized he made uninteresting objects into interesting videos

@user-kq8ok4qy6t

5 жыл бұрын

This is an interesting sentence !

We usually get them on ebay or something, but they are still pretty expensive. I bought mine for like 28 bucks. The TI-nspire CAS const me 39, and that Calculator is a heaven machine. It is the most awesome thing I have ever bought.

The important lesson here is that when the government mandates and subsidizes something, the price goes up and the quality has no reason to improve.

@LordChesalot

4 жыл бұрын

Or that letting business found politics is a great way to get awful monopolies

@machintelligence

4 жыл бұрын

@Nigel Cam And teachers' unions are to blame for the outrageous price of textbooks too. Not the manufacturers of the books, LOL.

@machintelligence

4 жыл бұрын

@Nigel Cam I had in mind college textbooks. I still think you are wrong about unions.

Government control of education has handed TI a near complete monopoly on the market. The calculator costs a couple dollars to manufacture using stunningly archaic hardware, yet they continue to hold their position solely because of the education system.

@KyleNally

7 жыл бұрын

You're partly correct, but it's an overly simple answer. I looked into this when I was forced to buy two TI calculators for my algebra course. First, why was I forced to buy two? Because TI is the only electronics manufacturer I have ever purchased a product from whose model numbering system goes backward from all others: the TI-85 is *less* capable and an *older* model than the TI-84. I didn't know this, bought a TI-85 because I thought it was the newer model, and got burned for not being an informed consumer. Go figure. I digress. The TI calculator line intentionally lacks some features that make it preferable to educators: they have no wireless capability (no sharing of answers during exams), they have no removable memory card (no saving of programs for during tests if the teacher goes around the room resetting them all), and by default lack specific mathematics capabilities that force students to actually learn how to write, use, and solve equations. Also, many of the functions are "standard" to the entire TI line, making them convenient for teachers in the classroom. But the biggest market advantage TI has by far is their educator support structure and their general marketing streategy. Their calculators are *extremely* well-documented and their marketing to the educational market, *and more specifically to the exam writers*, has been immensely successful. If you couple that with the way they have marketed their products to textbook writers- and more specifically, textbook publishers in the state of Texas, where the major educational textbook publishers are all located (yeah, the Texas Board of Education really does actually control what most US students read in school textbooks because Texas is where our textbooks get published)- what you end up with is a comparably obsolete product constructed using obsolescent technology that doesn't even have a backlight being sold for the tenth power of what it actually should cost at retail. It *sucks*, but it really isn't all the fault of the government. And you're absolutely correct that it's a monopoly, but try arguing that antitrust laws and anti-monopoly regulations should be enforced for *anything* these days.

@mcnugget3654

7 жыл бұрын

if it was wireless then no school would allow it and second of all u can archive some of the files so wen teachers delete shit u can still have it when u move it to ram

@Akriashi

7 жыл бұрын

... oh, and heads up, the intel 8087 isn't a better 8086, it's an accessory for it. Why wouldn't you check what the differences between products are? It's not like they name them after years...

@zelda12346

7 жыл бұрын

+Kyle Nally The larger factor is indeed just sly marketing, but I see more people with non-TIs in tutoring all the time. I think it would be naive to say TI didn't grease some palms in public school programs. You are allowed a _TI_ in the AP exams and certain standardized tests run by or funded by the government. TIs are durable though. Mine is from 2006 and works just as well as it did before. I have no incentive to buy a Casio or competitor because my TI-83 still works, does everything I really want it to, and if I want to do something more intricate I have Wolfram Alpha and R. The only thing that would get me to buy another calculator would be if it came with a stylus and instead of typing things in, I wrote it out on something about as big as a tablet and it recognized the normal math symbols. Tablets kind of already have that though, so it's a bit of a moot point.

@FictualKyle

6 жыл бұрын

Logan S. Nothing to do with the educational system, has to do with the kickbacks the people running it are getting.

In Mexico, CASIO is king.

@DjordjeNedic

7 жыл бұрын

Not just in mexico, Casio is an exceptional company and they used to make top notch calculators.

@kirk7708

7 жыл бұрын

in soviet russia, king is casio

@blaser80

7 жыл бұрын

Casio dominates everywhere except the US. In the UK, we're not even allowed graphical calculators in exams, only a simple scientific calculator.

@ChickenPermissionOG

7 жыл бұрын

I never got using a calculator on a test. It's suppose to be testing your knowledge not the calc's ability.

@ching-chenhuang8119

7 жыл бұрын

In Taiwan, CASIO dominates national exams.

If you need to get a TI-83/84 calculator soon, just download one of the free mobile-app emulators! (The full versions are like $5, but you should be fine with the free ones) And guess what? There are TI-83/84 apps for _both_ Android & iOS! (Sadly tho, you prolly won't be able to go this route in a high-school math class, for obvious reasons lol)

@jennifercezar6903

4 жыл бұрын

There are no android or ios Apps for the 83 or 84. and you would not be able to use an APP on the SAT or the ACT, while you can use either of the models you mentioned.

@jonasthemovie

4 жыл бұрын

No mobile in exams silly.

@illford6921

4 жыл бұрын

@@jennifercezar6903 then just buy a casio, wasting 145 on s calculator, if 45 for s calculator at least in the UK is already semi pricey why would anyone want a TI, "u can play games on it!" I came to learn not have fun so I don't see the point in that

@MrMattumbo

3 жыл бұрын

@@illford6921 Or buy them used, the one redeaming aspect of TI series calculators is that they're pretty durable and since they never truly change even old models will work fine.

This was more of a company man, style video the bigger than you know and explanation of the monopoly, really good.

I had a ti-84 plus and put doom and pokemon on it xD

@douglasbarr2636

6 жыл бұрын

I play Pacman on my TI 84 plus ce.

@yosefmacgruber1920

5 жыл бұрын

How do you turn up the video game volume so that you can hear it?

@cherry6654

5 жыл бұрын

@@yosefmacgruber1920 You've gotta be joking right?

@yosefmacgruber1920

5 жыл бұрын

@@cherry6654 Well yeah. At least a smart-phone has volume. A graphing calculator should be quite capable of playing some simple video games. But with no sound is a bit of a bummer. The lack of color also presents a problem for some video games. How do you play a marble game, when all the colors of marbles all look the same? Make them different shapes? But if they are already the most tiny blobs on the screen, that isn't hardly going to work. I wish I knew now, and had the time, back decades ago before computers became so powerful. How cool would it have been, to try to write 3-D rendered video games, for those old computers that supposedly could not do 3-D graphics? I think actually they could, if the graphics were sufficiently simplified. Calculate a few vectors, and then fill in with simple colors. And then work on the algorithm to minimize redrawing flickering. Try to balance detail with frame rate. Maybe detail could improve whenever the 3-D movement is more stationary. Maybe I could have made some money at it. I have estimated that my old Apple //e computer at its highest resolution of double hires graphics, should be capable of a maximum frame rate of 5 frames a second, and that is just block copying memory from an off-screen buffer in any available memory. Of course, if the entire screen does not have to be rewritten, then frames can occur much faster, which would be useful for 2-D games.

@-Burb

5 жыл бұрын

Yosef MacGruber Of course calculators don’t have sound... they’re calculators. Do you want them to read out 2+2=4 every time you type it in or something?

I always assumed they cost so much because it takes a lot of resources to teach math to the little gnomes that do the calculations in the device.

In an era of needing a new phone because you dropped the old one, the TI is built like a tank, I have accidentally dropped mine countless times, therefore the $100 price tag is well deserved.

@waffleten9750

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah no if you want a phone that can take that stuff than look for a phone that can you can millions of phones that can outdo any calculator in all aspects

Very interesting channel! Nostalgia for the 1980-90s.

Interesting. Very different over here in the UK. We were recommended a Casio FX series calculator when I started secondary school, I got the FX-83 and my brother (a year older) got the FX-82 as the predecessor model. I guess over here Ti were nowhere near as powerful commercially. I still have my FX-83 nearly 17 years later...

8 жыл бұрын

+Duncan Taylor FX-Anything Master Race.

@Jonathan-zj6to

8 жыл бұрын

+Duncan Taylor are those calculators decently priced or kinda expensive?

@carmarcam98

8 жыл бұрын

Yeah, here in Spain it sort of happens similarly to in the US but with Casio instead of TI. (not to that extreme though) In fact, I have never seen a TI calculator yet! XD (99% Casios, with very rarely an HP thrown in). Still, Casio graphing calculators are rather expensive too, but not as much as TI's. I reciently bought an FX-9700GII or so and it was around 70 euros, not 100!

@morpheusdreamer

8 жыл бұрын

+Duncan Taylor Yea I remember at my school most people used some variant of the fx7000. And I've still got my school fx7400g 18 years later!

@BenderRodriguz

8 жыл бұрын

+Duncan Taylor I still have my fx-82 from over 20 years ago still works just fine.

Other companies have stayed alive marketing to other countries i think. I havent heard of TI calculators over here, most of the graphing calculators i have ever seen have been HP

@sallovic5890

7 жыл бұрын

Derpin Bird where i live there are quite many ti calculators, we also use one of the newer models in school

@RagPunker

7 жыл бұрын

TI doesn't rely on calculators for the majority of their income, being only 3% of their sales. Chances are good that you have used some devices or driven some cars that have their chips in them though.

@derpinbird1180

7 жыл бұрын

Most makers don't, im just saying over here in aus its nothing but HP

@AntiChangeling

7 жыл бұрын

Derpin Bird I live in QLD, we used TI in the mid 2000s over here. Some Casios, I don't remember any HPs though.

@derpinbird1180

7 жыл бұрын

Im a bit younger so i only used graphs 05 onward, ive only seen hps but i haven't done super high math. Maybe its level or curriculum but ive never seen a ti

I owned a TI-83 Plus. I had pre-calculus in high school, so, we needed a graphing calculator for the class. Ahh, memories!

They're fantastic tools to learn programming & computer architecture. My first was a TI85 then about a year or so later a TI86 then I snagged up the TI89 within a few weeks of it's availability I believe in late 1998. I remember hoping TI would release a color version equipped with the same type of transflective TFT display found in the then new Game Boy Color & either an eZ80 or enhanced variant of the MC68000, I was acquainted to an engineer who worked on one of the teams who developed TI's line of Graphing Calculators, I got to play with such hardware in development I was hoping would come to market but the single unit cost of a color display at the time was outside TI's desired price range especially if they used the preferred, much lower power consuming, transflective TFT's manufactured by Sharp.

LGR I just wanted to say you are my favorite youtube entertainer; I am on a spree watching everything you have made lol

@LGR

8 жыл бұрын

Thank you, enjoy!

Well, my TI-84 has a periodic table, and polynomial root solvers, colour, and pacman/tetris.

@iPelaaja1

7 жыл бұрын

GG64du02 and dont even get me started on my TI-NSPIRE CX CAS :)

@goeiecool9999

7 жыл бұрын

CG64du02 You must be the coolest kid in class!

@beybladeguru101

7 жыл бұрын

iPelaaja1 I can't get the GBA emulator working on my CX. I REALLY want to play Pokemon Emerald, but sadly it does not work, because they haven't updated it in 5 years.

@qwertykeyboard5901

7 жыл бұрын

dj51401 colour/color

@no_4259

4 жыл бұрын

Wiz hey, they called the PSP the PlayStation Pornable... still cheaper than a TI-84 Plus CE.

I'm used to casio graphing calcs and I find their logic really intuitive (I'm the kind of humain who question a how would I imagine something if I had to design it) ti has its logic, but it needs some guidance

@someonestolemyname

3 жыл бұрын

Like the default overwrite and not insert?

Interesting. Here in the UK even when I was doing my mechanical engineering degree you weren't allowed to have a programmable calculator in exams. In fact we all got given a CASIO FX-85 GT Plus scientific calculator which retailed at like £7 or thereabouts back then (about 10 years ago). And that wasn't even because it was mandated by the university; it was literally the maths lecturer who convinced the Engineering Department to buy them because he was sick of having to go around the class of over 100 students trying to help them figure out how their calculators worked lol.

Very interesting, I often wondered how TI became so dominant especially when compared to the superior HP calculators that utilized RPN notation. RPN took some time to get use to but once you got the hang of it switching back to an algebraic calculator was and is very difficult. I love HP and RPN so much that I have HP 48GX app for my iPhone.

@vitalnutrients744

5 жыл бұрын

How about programming?

@mrkattm

5 жыл бұрын

VitalNutrients - What about programming? All the HP scientific calculators are fully programmable, you can even program arcade games like Galaga, breakout, tetris etc on them.

@AZ-if2mj

5 жыл бұрын

HP calculators have been programmable since 1979 (HP-41C). HP RPN calculators are popular in professional communities from scientific and engineering to statistics and finance (and outside the US). The latest RPN is the HP-50G. I got an original HP-48GX on ebay and use the DROID48 app on my phone almost daily, app is identical to the HP-48GX. RPN is my favorite, intuitive and fast.

In Germany I always needed Casio calculators.

@nuschger2

7 жыл бұрын

We always used Texas Instruments (Hessen).

@DylanAndo

7 жыл бұрын

in Australia to, Never heard of Texas Instruments.

@9mustafiz9

7 жыл бұрын

My Australian uni forced all of us to buy IT calculators ONLY (was an engineering student). After a year they realized the flaws in TI (cheat notes and games) but they still forced us to by another TI non graphical model. Left uni now any old calculator can do what I need to do on daily basis (both are gathering dust, paid almost AU$200 for the two AS A STUDENT). Australia should get its own standard and stop doing what ever US does shesh...

@JokahFACE

7 жыл бұрын

I still have the Casio I bought for Calculus in high school. It cost 1/3 the price of the TI, and works just as well if not better.

@zsh6986

7 жыл бұрын

You are partially right except Casio doesn't work the same as TI. Casio works much better and faster for lower price.

In Brazil, the standard graphic calculator used in universities (mainly in engineering courses) is the HP 50g. More recently, the HP Prime. I don't use much because of graphics capability, but for statistics (hypothesis tests) for matrix equations (man, how I love how simple it is to invert a matrix there) and for a lot of electrical engineering classes (phasors, mostly).

I used an old Casio calculator that was passed down from my 2 older siblings. That thing got around the family for various test, and literally performs no different as expected from a standard high-school use for one.

As now a senior studying electrical engineering, the only calculator you really will ever need is the TI-36X Pro which is less than $20. However i do see how the visualization of graphs in high school can be extremely important. But back then i was writing my own programs in the TI and then using the archive and unarchive feature to prevent the program from being deleted during a reset :P. the TI 36X Pro is a non programmable non graphing calculator that is allowed in most testing environments and has pretty much has every feature the the ti 83's have minus being programmable and graphing.

@smartyyoung7319

6 жыл бұрын

I love my 36X!

i love lgr tech tales.. please keep up the quality and the lgr tech tales series!

@LGR

8 жыл бұрын

Thank you! I've got another one on the way soon :)

We were encouraged (forced?) to buy Casio ones at my school in Australia the early 2000s but they were still expensive. I've had mine since 2002 and it still runs today with all the games on it. I look at games I programmed myself and have no idea how I did it, the knowledge has faded completely over 18 years haha. The worst part was when the teacher wanted to transfer you a new program for graphing - through the link cable of course - and you had to delete a game to make room for it :(

I found one on the "damaged packaging" shelf in Giant marked down to $25.

@Olivia-W

4 жыл бұрын

Whoa. That's a good catch.

And they say monopolies don't exist.

@RockDavid

6 жыл бұрын

its not a monoply really, as the market is open in this yet its a lack of want Who really would want to create a new calc company for small margins... This is no where a monopoly as Microsoft was back in the Apple fights TI just does good in a market no one cares to join.

@ETXAlienRobot201

6 жыл бұрын

and by technical terms, that is a monopoly. While true, no one really wants to join-in on the market, that's largely because they know they don't stand a chance in it. This video just described how anything besides a TI-8X calculator was seen as being inferior. So, when you have that level of influence, then yes, you're a monopoly. Just because there's an option for competitors to take them on (and a select few who actually do), that doesn't mean they're not a monopoly. They have near-complete market dominance, and it's reinforced by the fact they've gotten the schools and textbooks backed into a corner. That's basically a monopoly, regardless of what the lawbooks may say. Common sense, really. After watching this video, tell me, did you pay heed to all of the things that were mentioned? Do you really think anyone would care to join that market knowing that... A. Their product is automatically labeled as inferior B. Their product won't appear in text books and other crucial places related to education C. The various entities with some level of influence won't help you, cuz they're helping TI. D. Being cheaper than TI reinforces the "inferiority" mentality. People still praise Apple's prices as a sign of quality. E. After decades of being locked-into TI, the schools won't adapt. (in fact, this is a trend, in general, and why the "public" education system is being taxed HEAVILY by the private sector) This is basically setting yourself up for failure. TI is so well established that you can't thrive in the market they dominate. And tbh, I wonder if they have some nasty patent work going, too. Anyways, still don't think that's a monopoly? Give me an honest reason it's not.

@RockDavid

6 жыл бұрын

That is not the "Techical term" as it is join able market..You are confusing lack of versus many don't want too. The same idea could be a company that makes water pumps for wells and sells them to high...anyone can join, but who really wants too.. The calc game is VERY small and not worth it...plus the next step would pretty much be the software on an iPhone, they have for say peaked advancement in this realm... so yeah not a monopoly..again you are confusing dominate by wanting to join....if this WAS a monopoly show us a track sheet of other companies getting pushed out because of TI, then you would have an offical monopoly..but as now they do not have one, they are just dominate..like Nintendo was domonate in the 90's hwile there where other companies out there. didn't mean they monopoly anything.

@ETXAlienRobot201

6 жыл бұрын

i can't be bothered to explain the fallacies in this statement, the official terms don't matter here. UNICEF is 'officially' classified as a non-profit. Don't see hem contributing a whole lot to the cause, do you? Heh, phones are struggling to be accepted in schools, though. Same as some old-minded educators try to de-mean the educational potential of Minecraft and similar. You're comparing apples to oranges here. TI both sells too high, and has multiple factors playing in their favor that also double as hurdles to anyone who'd dare compete. Also, don't forget the legal mess called IP laws. These are constantly abused in anti-competitive ways. I'm not going to try doing any seriously advanced research into this matter because it's a waste of my time, and for really not that much gain at all. Nintendo was a different situation. They were dominant because they knew what they were doing, not to mention had a head start from when other companies caused the crash. Ironically, bad business decisions also eventually brought them down from that top spot. So, in regards to the TI thing... 1. TI has official blessing in schools, and the text books only explain how to use their products. 2. Students generally tend to gravitate towards having the same tools that the school provides, and in some cases, the school mandates them to. 3. In regards to patents or copyrights, I can't say. I'd be surprised if they didn't have many that would make it difficult to legally make another similar product. 4. blindness in the guise of "brand loyalty" and similar concepts. The consumer assumes that "if TI didn't make it, and/or it's cheaper, it's inferior" TI, themselves probably isn't making an active effort to force people out, but that is most likely because they don't have to. None the less, the four (technically five) aforementioned reasons indeed force people out of the market. Like you said, there's not a whole lot to gain. But what you DON'T mention is that there's a lot to lose. Every reason besides the third makes it difficult for another company to gain traction in the first place. There's an artificially inflated demand for TI's calculators, that's pretty hard to beat. If the third is in fact in play, TI can file lawsuits in the million to billion dollar ranges. Even if they lose, the damage will be done to the other company. No one joins most likely because they know they can't win. Whether or not phones and tablets will take-over, hard to say. And that event could give the cell phones an unfair advantage in the future, as well. Even if TI is not actively making some effort to ensure they're never replaced, the inflated prices they charge are a sign they're aware of the position they are in. If someone, somehow, came-along and became a threat to these disgustingly easy profits, I'm sure they'd take action, swiftly. Also, not everything needs an "official" document to its name. This helps, sure... But this is assuming such documentation exists, or is readily accessible. A lot goes on with these companies that the public may never know. They're also especially skilled at disposing of evidence and/or manipulating information. For everything you hear, there's something you don't. Some of what you're told is even downright lies, or at the very least, should be held with some scrutiny. If the lack of competitors doesn't automatically make a company a monopoly (which btw, I didn't say that just the lack of competitors makes them one, I pointed-out other factors. Even so, the lack of competitors in a field is suspicious at best, and research should be done as to "WHY" that is.) , the lack of an official track record or other forms of solid evidence doesn't make any claims or speculations untrue. It just makes them impossible to prove. Questions then should be asked "why?" there's nothing to show for it. In my case, I can't be bothered to go digging that up. It's not worth my time. However, in many of these cases, I wouldn't be able to access that information, or it had vanished for one reason or another. That, or it comes from word-of-mouth of the involved parties. If I cared about the issue, I'd bother to look it up. The most I might do is look and see what kinds of patents and things TI has, but I had planned to do that before finding this video. I know that, especially nowadays, anyone could program or download a calculator for their computers, besides the fact building a dedicated device isn't likely that much more difficult or expensive. So, I'm curious why they lack competition in the first place. over-reaching patents/trademarks/copyrights would be one explanation. This video offers some others. (also, simply stumbled upon this video cuz I watch a LOT of technical videos, most TI calc videos I watch are about games and tricks)

@stevenreyna3437

6 жыл бұрын

They have a monopoly in something they don't care much about. They make WAY more money off fabricating million-dollar semiconductor wafer tech

I got a TI-84 plus C as a freshman in college. Most of the classes require non graphing calculators and any classes that expect you to make graphs expect you to do so on computer programs that they specify. I’m a senior now and still haven’t turned on my TI once, maybe it will make a good desk calculator for when I get a job.

I knew something was up when new ones out of the box are still $100 and never went down in price, even after a number of years. The TI-84 brand spanking new is still $100, almost two decades later and it came out in '04!

You can buy some old TIs for almost nothing. I bought the first-generation TI graphing calculator (c.1990) this year for just $7, including shipping. No box or manual but it works great.

Man, the hp 48 was so satisfying to use. It still holds up today.

180,000 views in 2 days. Bet you're glad you made this follow up!

@LGR

8 жыл бұрын

Heh, I am indeed! Listening to my viewers pays off :)

My favorite thing is while the school had TI calcuators, alot of kids didnt have personal ones and by the time we got laptops for school and homework use, we literally just used google graphs by typing in the equations and checking the work there or finding apps/websites that emulated the TI calculators.

You can draw, play games on calculators in class without ur teacher knowing.