Without permanent monuments to record the passing years, a nomadic tribe could remember only as far back as its oldest member. As the sole surviver of one's generation, that person might just as well have been 90 as 900.

@colinsmith1288

9 ай бұрын

How wrong you are. It is well known that some tribes in the world would remember their ancestors for hundreds of years. Sometimes centuries later reburying many generations of ancestors in one tomb. For that to happen the dead must have been highly valued and regarded and remembered from generation to generation

@0nlyThis

9 ай бұрын

@@colinsmith1288 Nomadic tribes?

@colinsmith1288

9 ай бұрын

@0nlyThis Why were the Jews a nomadic tribe. They were often a subjugated people.

@0nlyThis

8 ай бұрын

@@colinsmith1288 The entire Pentateuch was written for tent dwellers.

It’s almost like Genesis is, and hear me out…. mythical. You can be a Christian and concede that. Just say it’s allegory, it’s fine. Thanks for clearing things up again, Dan.

@scambammer6102

9 ай бұрын

there's no reason to think the original writers thought it was allegory. And if it is allegory, the meaning is just subjective opinion, as is identifying the parts that are allegory. Allegory = fiction.

@dvonzosch461

9 ай бұрын

​@@scambammer6102He wasn't actually saying that. --- the original bible author's viewpoint was what the Sumero Babylonian cosmology was. Had the bible authors been supernaturally inspired by an all powerful and all knowing deity, they would have been able to describe the universe truthfully. Evangelicals can't handle Genesis 1, which claims that plants, that require the Sun's warmth, were somehow created on day 3, before the Sun itself was created on day 4. It was mythical.

@scambammer6102

9 ай бұрын

I think the bible is total bunk from beginning to end. I am just disagreeing with his point about allegory. Allegory is an intentional literary device. That isn't what the bible writers were doing. They thought they were conveying god's word.

@digitaljanus

9 ай бұрын

@@scambammer6102 There's no reason to assume they didn't think it was allegory either.

@germanboy14

9 ай бұрын

Then everything in the bible can be mythical. From Adam to Jesus. If Jesus is the "second Adam" and Adam was just mythical, this has serious consequences for the gospels and Christianity. Its just picking and choosing what u like and what not.

Because anything is possible in a story.

@moonshoes11

9 ай бұрын

And on Joe Rogan’s podcast.

@KhoaNgo-sr4zq

9 ай бұрын

You think God who create the heavens and the earth can't do something like this?

@jon4574

9 ай бұрын

@@KhoaNgo-sr4zq We have stories written by fallible superstitious men claiming gods created the heavens and earth. Which story do you sheepishly believe in?

@moonshoes11

9 ай бұрын

@@KhoaNgo-sr4zq Not if it’s only a claim, or simply imagined.

@KhoaNgo-sr4zq

9 ай бұрын

*Sometimes they hold your mouth shut so you can't say Jesus Christ so you have to pray in your mind with faith .

I appreciate how informative you are on biblical texts, everytime I'm learning something new. Love the podcast as well! Thank you

I recently bought the NRSV on your suggestion and it’s great! I have a question though, what does it mean when it talks about the “priestly” and “non-priestly” versions of the Genesis stories?

@BradyPostma

9 ай бұрын

It's cool to see you here! There's an idea called the 'documentary hypothesis' that multiple sources composed different parts pf the five Books of Moses. The Priestly Source is one of those, seemingly a later editor that combined multiple stories and sometimes multiple versions of the same story into one document.

@Metroid-rg9pn

9 ай бұрын

I agree with BradyPostma. It's always cool to see a much bigger KZreadr still watch and interact with small channels!

@JJMcCullough

9 ай бұрын

@@BradyPostma what does the adjective “priestly” refer to?

@fre2725

9 ай бұрын

​@@JJMcCulloughThe concerns of Jewish priests: ritual, number, calendars, purity taboos. So the Genesis 1 story is considered "priestly" because of the emphasis on a divinely instituted week (six work days plus a sabbath). When in Genesis 7 God says to take 7 pairs of clean animals and 1 pair of unclean animals (when the prior chapter said just *two* of each kind), it's probably priestly. When you're reading Numbers and in the middle of an exciting story you get instructions for how to sacrifice a red heifer to purify after contact with the dead...priestly. Essentially this class within the Jewish people were trying to root their ritual traditions within the stories of the Torah. They also probably played a large role in editing the books (Ezra - to whom the canon is traditionally attributed - is both a priest and a scribe, though he may be a legendary representative figure of the people who copied and taught the biblical books.) Hope that helps!

@PolyMagiCarp

9 ай бұрын

A really good book that details the sources of the first five books is "Who Wrote the Bible" by Richard Friedman.

Oh! That's a bummer. I thought they were Númenóreans of sorts! Thank you, Dan! Greetings from Argentina!

@autonomouscollective2599

9 ай бұрын

It does seem that Tolkien was tapping into that same line of mythological thought, that the righteous are long lived. Even if some fall out of righteousness, like Sauron and Saruman, they still retain their longevity because of their lineage.

@francholibe

9 ай бұрын

In deed, @@autonomouscollective2599! In the case of the Númenóreans, there's an explicit link between their rampaging wickedness and their decreasing lifespan.

@digitaljanus

9 ай бұрын

@@autonomouscollective2599 I remember in Catholic school being taught the decreasing lifespans of the Pentateuch patriarchs was an illustration of how original sin was steadily corrupting the world--Adam lived longer than Methuselah, who lived longer than Noah, who lived longer than Moses, etc. I haven't looked at it closely enough to see if that actually tracks, but it's possible Tolkien, a devout Catholic, was taught something similar.

Sounds like when a new comic book writer comes on and “retcons” a previous writer’s work

@user-gk9lg5sp4y

Ай бұрын

Retcons are Heresy!!!

Very interesting Dan! Thank you.

For the exact same reasons that snakes can talk and have legs. You can write anything in a story.

@samp2651

Ай бұрын

for the same reason ur 💩💩💩🤡🤡🤡

@davidweihe6052

2 күн бұрын

The ancestors of snakes DID have legs, as they evolved from lizards during three different events. In the DreamTime animals can always speak to humans (“DreamTime” here referring to any mythic age, not just Australian Aboriginal’s period).

@1970Phoenix

2 күн бұрын

@@davidweihe6052 So you are agreeing with me?

Dan, do you have a good book recommendation that covers the editing and redactions that were carried iut by King Josiah aan the Jerusalem priests? I keep hearing about this sweeping rewrite of the Torah and would like to study the subject. Thanks.

Excellent as always. Am I correct in that the flood has Adam dying n the year of the flood or just before? Guessing god did not want to drown his first created human?

I think translators confused years with moons. If you divide their ages by 13 moons, you get reasonable lifespans. Maybe I'm wrong, but the math checks out.

You are the best❤

Amazing! 🤯

Could you recommend resources (papers, monographs, etc) concerning the hypothesis summarised in the video? It looks interesting. I'm also curious concerning your opinion on Hendel's proposal (in The Text of Genesis 1-11, quoting others) that the MT and SP versions of Genesis 5 are the ones featuring later editions (meant to prevent "narrative conflicts" in the chronology), and its merits and flaws in your eyes, if you don't mind discussing it. Quote from Hendel's book (pp 62-3) (to provide some context for YT comments enjoyers): In the antediluvian chronology from Adam to Noah in Gen 5:3-32, three patriarchs-Jared, Methuselah, and Lamech-die in or near the year of the flood in all the major versions. In S, all three die in the year of the flood. In M, Methuselah dies in the year of the flood, and Jared and Lamech die earlier. In G, Jared and Lamech die before the flood, and Methuselah survives the flood by 14 years. It is notable that only for these three patriarchs do the numbers of M and S diverge. When one considers these variations among the versions, the suspicion arises that the death of these three patriarchs and the date of the onset of the flood may once have clashed, as they still do for Methuselah in G. If in the archetypal chronology of Genesis 5 Jared, Methuselah, and Lamech survived the flood, this problem would provide sufficient warrant for scribes to correct the text by adjusting the chronology. This is the solution proposed by Klein: "the original chronology implied that three patriarchs lived through the flood, and this was resolved in quite different ways" (1974a: 263). There is no room in the narrative for other human survivors. Recent studies of this issue by Hughes and Etz agree with Klein on this point: "The coincidence between the year of Methuselah's death and the year of the flood in MT's chronology, and similar coincidences in the case of Jared, Methuselah, and Lamech in SP's chronology, seem to have resulted from application of the minimum adjustment that would ensure that these ancestors died before the start of the flood" (Hughes 1990: 14; similarly Etz 1993: 172-75). [...] This motive for the chronological variants of Genesis 5 and 11 -that the ancestors' ages originally extended across narrative boundaries-is consistent with the widely held view that these genealogical texts derive from an originally independent document, the ספר תולדת אדם , "Book of the Generations of Adam" (Gen 5:1; see Cross 1973: 301-5; Wallace 1990; Carr 1996: 70-73). When the P writer or redactor integrated this work into the narrative context, he may not have perceived (or may have been unconcerned with) the implicit chronological conflicts. It remained for later scribes to detect the problems and to incorporate their textual solutions.

@maklelan

9 ай бұрын

A good discussion of the position I shared that responds to those concerns is David Carr's book, The Formation of Genesis 1-11.

@joabtheharmless4051

9 ай бұрын

@@maklelan Thank you so much! I had read it a few years ago but forgotten most of that part, and rereading ch. 4 was indeed really insightful.

"Why are people in Genesis living to be 900 years old?" If reality doesn't fit our book, we just change reality, right.

lin-e-age, three syllables

"TRUTH IS STRANGER THAN FICTION", my friends... peace and love, yishmirai

I remember thinking that there were two Enochs, one that was the son of Cain and the other, more famous one that was in the lineage between Adam and Noah. I didn't note the emphasis on the 7th position, but I did wonder why someone many generations down the lineage of Seth would name their child after a son of Cain.

@scambammer6102

9 ай бұрын

same here. interesting that the later account washed the evil out of the lineage.

@stephenlitten1789

9 ай бұрын

@@scambammer6102 Must've been something in those flood waters...

@iseegood5609

2 ай бұрын

Its interesting that there were two and that the later could be named the same without reference to the earlier while only being "after" by timing. There were unfortunately descendents of Abraham believing they were "righteous" by inheritence while ignoring those prophets and God repeatedly making clear that all are sinners. To say length of ages was made up because other texts of other people groups did that ignores science but that is understandable since much so-called science the last few centuries presupposes the truth of ancient religions and ignores evidence. Just think of the multiple causes of death and decay in this universe and understand that we as humans have caused many attempting to solve problems we have denied being the cause of.

So basically they wrote fanfics for their patriarchs.

The Jews exaggerated a great deal. Also, if you divide Noah's supposed age of 950 years by 12 you get 79.

I thought it had to do with people back then mostly using a different counting system as opposed to our base 10 system we use today. Guess I was wrong. Is there any historical basis for the calendars or how seasons were counted at the time of the Enoch, Noah and others? Like how do we know what these years/numbers are supposed to be? Did they use a similar 365 day calendar with similar seasons? Even if it was 'mythical' or was made up the dates would have some meaning/context behind them I suppose.

@stephenlitten1789

9 ай бұрын

It is fairly easy to divide the "year" into smaller chunks, with days, lunar months, and multiples of days (e.g. weeks) or months. It is probable the ancient Hebrews used lunar months with leap months being thrown in every so often to ensure important festivals didn't drift too far equinoxes/solstices. But as for any antediluvian counting, about the only thing that can be attributed to is oral tradition

@coolcarlosa66

4 ай бұрын

I thought the same. Maybe they didn't use 365 days to equal a year. Maybe their months weren't 12 months.

Neat!

I am not convinced. I mean, I get the argument about the Bible editors fiddling with ages and genealogies but still they were working with a lot older material and they elaborated on that. It doesn’t explain why originally people started using those excessively long ages. Saying “they just made them up” sounds deeply unsatisfactory.

@norswil8763

5 ай бұрын

Well it’s not as basic as you’ve framed it, the sliding of positions and rebuilding of lineage means certain people had to be a certain age. It might not be satisfactory but that’s the bible for you🤷‍♂️

@merthsoft

2 ай бұрын

I think it's more like they had rough memories of the genealogies and legends regarding how old things were, and then later had to come up with a way to make the genealogy fit. So they didn't just arbitrarily decide to make someone a certain age, but rather had a timeline they had to fit the genealogies into.

@AlanCanon2222

Ай бұрын

That is essentially a question that needs to be asked first about the Sumerian king lists.

Why was Superman so strong? This is you guys.

Holy shit Dan!

Let me see if I understand this properly, you have the people at AiG, and CMI, pretty much using the lineages present in Genesis to come up with the 6000 year old figure. You're saying that the amount of time was "creatively" altered?

Its almost like second temple Judaism was heavily influenced by Zoroastrianism. Oh wait, that is actually what happened with some heavy influence of cannabis to boot.

The old adage: "don't let the facts get in the way of a good story!" :-)

@mshah1193

Ай бұрын

I am not a Christian. I follow Jainism (ancient religion of India). Most eastern religions also claim ancient humans had a longer lifespan than we do today. The claim is valid as our lifespan is allotted in the # of breaths; not years, days, or seconds. Despite humans having access to modern-day healthcare, turtles / tortoise have a longer lifespan (200 years) than humans as their breathing rate = 5 BPM average. There are many underwater species (e.g. whales) that also live longer than humans. If anything human lifespan has decreased and is still decreasing because of the medical industry (profit making). As we consume more breaths, the Oxygen reacts with Hydrogen to form Free Radicals, which reduces our lifespan. So now the question is what contributes to increased breathing rate and therby increased Oxygen inhalation? The factors include increased population, competition, greed, sexual activities, capitalism / slavery, obesity, smoking, fear, anxiety, depression, etc. These factors were not prevalent in the ancient times, so human beings were able to cultivate their breaths and they also had more # of breaths allowed to them.

@roberthunter6927

Ай бұрын

@@mshah1193 Nice try, but no cigar. First of all, scientists control for environmental factors [like smoking and all the bits you mentioned]. Life span calculations are complex, but species-dependent. True, PART the reason that turtles /tortoises live longer is based on their Basal Metabolic Rate. Therefore they consume less oxygen, but they still have the same problems of free radicals as any other eukaryotic organism. Besides, comparing Anapsid survival rates to mammals like humans is comparing apples to oranges. Anapsids are poikilotherms [no metabolic temp regulation], whereas mammals and birds are homeothermic. The last means that humans etc actively use energy to keep our body temperature within narrow limits. Plus mammals and bird have relatively large brains compared to reptiles and this too takes a lot of energy. [Glucose "burned" by oxygen in the Krebs cycle]. Next fallacy. Whales have the same sort of life spans as us: Orcas and blue whales around 90 years, but other species like the Buluga, only 35-50 years. Humans can live about 130 years, but that is VERY exceptional, 70 to 90 years is more common. In any case, a hundred-odd years is nothing like the claims of the bible [up to 900 years] No, the medical industry has increased life spans, not decreased them. The average age of humans in the pre-medical science era was about 45-60 years at best. You would occasionally get a lucky 80 year old. That is why the ancients had child marriages, because chances are you might die before you children became adults, hence 12 to 14 yo was usual for those days. Lastly a claim of increased life span has nothing to do with it being true. Evidence is necessary. In the bible it was claimed Jesus turned a few rolls and a handful of fish that could feed 5000. Do you think that claim is credible without good evidence? All religions love to tell yarns to impress the locals. Especially miracles and other dramatic, if dubious happenings like resurrection and reincarnation. "Slavery was not prevalent in ancient times? Are you joking? Anyway, that is enough for now. I suggest your hypotheses needs further work.

It was much more likely that you died young of a tooth ache, a bad berry, a drought, or childbirth.

@rboland2173

2 ай бұрын

And often from all of these things at the same time! 😒

Righteous......and incredibly strong swimmers. Unless there is a missing chapter referencing Noah's dinghy.

I just assume it is because the AI 🤖 writing ✍ it considers that normal and they had no reason to censor it out in editing.

Because they don't eat McDonald's 😉

The Qur'an copies these myths but puts them into the mouth of God: "We certainly sent Noah to his people, and he remained among them a thousand years minus fifty years, and the flood seized them while they were wrongdoers." (29:14)

Well, that is super interesting.

Doing the math, though, in the version that makes it into our modern Bibles, Methuselah's age still lines up with the year of the flood. Though his son / Noah's father Lamech still dies several years prior.

Ancient Sci-Fi

It’s not surprising if you look at the Bible the same way you look at the Iliad and the Odyssey. =)

It was because they were copper blood based. Some were Gold and Silver based. Better minerals like Mono-Atomic Gold gives you stronger/higher vibrational consciousness and a total body upgrade reversing the aging process!

CAN YOU PLEASE talk about the term Kavod, translated as the "Glory of god" . Why does this glory behavior looks like a machine, you can see it coming, fire, great sounds, Clouds or smog , Shiny (kinda metallic) . In Exodus and in Ezekiel this does not sound like an etheral thing if you keep the term kavod instead of Glory.

Maybe the elders in Genesis were cybernetic beings sent from the future to kill the line of John Conners. Every think of that?

@juanausensi499

9 ай бұрын

Don't be silly. They were obviously vampires.

@emptyhand777

9 ай бұрын

@@juanausensi499 - yes, Vampire Hunter D takes place in the past, before the flood, not in the future. I think we solved this mystery today. Well done!

How have I gone 56 years without hearing someone pronounce lineage with 2 syllables instead of 3? They’re both correct, I checked. 😜

🤘

Why are people who believe in Genesis still living in 2024?

@Ex_christian

16 күн бұрын

Brainwashing and grooming along with preying on the weak.

I read (only one instance) that they were measuring their age by moons, (months). Divide 900 by twelve and see what ya get.

@AurorXZ

9 ай бұрын

While intriguing, Enoch had Methuselah at 65-so he had sex at 4?

@MrWeezer55

9 ай бұрын

@@AurorXZ More likely they were both just made up.

@AurorXZ

9 ай бұрын

@@MrWeezer55 Yes (that was Dan's point) but I'm speaking about the idea that the numbers were meant to be divided by 12. Do you think the writers intended Enoch to have sex when he was 4?

@MrWeezer55

9 ай бұрын

@@AurorXZ I think the writers just assumed everyone would blindly believe what they are told.

@juanausensi499

9 ай бұрын

Dividing by 12 makes more believable numbers. It is possible there were some kind of misinterpretation in the chain of orally transmitted stories. About Enoch's problem, it's easy to solve: the age was given in years well after the error was made and people just accepted the outrageous life spans.

I liked Genesis before Phil Collins tookover....Just kidding. Great posting, once again. Thank you!

The Annunaki is the answer Dan..

The Catholic Church "fiddled with ages".

(Thousand year Reign )

Funny how Noah was in his hundreds and didn’t have a single grandchild.

I always found it funny if you added up all the years that would be needed to allow all those people to be those ages, the earth would be over 6000 years old. Which ofc it is but i think you get my point

Dan, I don't think I heard you address why the life-ages dropped after the flood? Could you address that please?

Spinach

How about Enoch, Jared and Methuselah not being borrowed from Cain's line, and it just so happens they have similar names, and this shows as a witness reflecting the long ongoing battle of satan and his seed trying to imitate and infiltrate the righteous customs and institutions that God has set up, constantly trying to pollute or exterminate the Godly seed. (Isa 14:13-15, Matt 2:16-18, Exo 7:8-23, Exo 8:1-8, 2 Corinth 11:13-15, 2 Thess 2:1-12, Exo 1:15-22, Psa 106:34-39. setting up the apostate church, false religions and the ungodly blasphemous world government/s Rev 2:9,12,13, Matt 13:24-30,36-43, Acts 20:28-31, Rev 13, 17 and 18. Just like God gives power to His witnesses; Rev 11:3-13, so does the enemy to do false miracles Rev 13:4-15, Rev 16:12-14. The enemy has his apostate religious institution which is the wh*re and God has His chaste Holy Bride the Church/Israel; Rev 17 and Rev 12, Rev 19:7-9, Eph 5:26-28, 2 Corinth 11:2, Joel 2:15,16.) Methuselah dying the year of the flood does not automatically mean that he died in the flood. The sons of Seth are the godly seed, and are called Bnaiy Elohim (Sons of God), the line from whom the appointed seed of the woman will come to crush the serpent's head aka Christ (Gen 3:15, Psa 91:13, Isa 53:5,10, Col 2:14,15, Gen 4:25,26, Gen 6:1,2) This line was righteous and it would not be becoming of the Lord to slay the righteous with the wicked and cause the righteous to succumb to the punishment set for sinners.(Gen 18:25, 2 Kings 22:1,2,10-20, 2 Kings 23:1-3,25, Revelation 7:3). The flood came on the 17th Day of the 2nd Month (Gen 7:11,12), so this gives the perfect amount of time for God to honour and deal kindly with His righteous servants, allowing them to take their rest most likely in the 1st month and have a proper burial deserved of a saint. (Gen 15:15 as opposed to 1 Kings 2:5,6, 2 Kings 23:15-20). Whether Jared and Lamech expired the year of the flood in the Samaritan Pentateuch, the same reasoned principle applies with that of Methuselah. The Masoretic says Lamech expired at 777yrs and went to rest before his father Methsuelah, which backs up my aforementioned righteous principle act which God was doing by putting them to sleep before the cup was filled for the wicked. Methsuelah being the oldest to live (969yrs) and doing so up until the flood was a witness to the world; as his name can mean (without the vowel marks) "his death shall send out/send forth/shoot out, set free/let down" i.e The Flood 🌧💦🌊

Months makes more sense.

@moonshoes11

9 ай бұрын

Fiction makes the most sense.

He gives the patriarchs too much credit tbh. Dont think it’s that complicated.

Useful Charts did an interesting assessment of the age of the world. Using real events compared to the biblical accounts, he set the creation of the world exactly 4000 years before the restoration of the temple during the Maccabees. Coincidence?

@ErictheHalf_bee

9 ай бұрын

Coincidence? Certainly not! Especially when you recognize that the whole of the Old Testament (including the Apocrypha) is the story of Hebrew/Jewish origins and identity, setting themselves over and apart from all their neighbors from Egypt to Persia to Greece, and finally Rome itself, and a polemic against the other nations' gods and traditions vis-à-vis the supremacy of YHWH. This is, of course, an oversimplification.

Wow. Never trust an editor.

Well, the basic argument, when it comes to nonsensical things like this or the various contradictions in The Bible, is that everything must be true (literally) in The Bible, or nothing in The Bible can be depended upon. Well, all I know is, when I want information that is 100 percent accurate, I go to scriptures written by extremely primitive men ( NOT God) who had NO scientific knowledge whatsoever, put their own opinions and prejudices in their writings, and based a good deal of what they wrote on the myths and traditions of other civilizations. The Bible is not "infallible" or "inerrant" because The Bible is NOT God (because ONLY God is infallible and inerrant).

Fundamentalists never read Genesis 1, that claims that plants, which require the Sun's warmth, were created on day 3, before the Sun was created on day 4 --- the pre science bible authors never knew about the Absolute Zero temperature of outer space. Each of the first 4 days had " evenings and mornings ", which require sunrises and sunsets to demarcate the division of daytime from nighttime --- yet the Sun wasn't created until day 4. " In the beginning God created the heavens and the Earth ", which includes the billions of stars and planets discovered by the James Webb and Hubbell Telescopes, including our own Sun and Moon --- yet Genesis 1:16 says: " And God made two great lights, the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser one to rule the night, and [ as a complete afterthought ] he made the stars also " While Genesis 1 claims that the Earth was created first, astrophysical science has established that the Sun formed first, and then the cooling gaseous matter formed the planets thereafter, including our own Earth. Somehow, 20 to 25% of Christians, and also all Seventh Day Adventists among others, still believe that Genesis 1 is history and scientific. Most Christians are forced to accept that Genesis 1 is: " Only metaphorical "

@AurorXZ

9 ай бұрын

Ehh, fundamentalists "never read" those parts? That's a bold assertion. In fairness, even Answers in Genesis directly addresses this. Their answer: the localized cosmic light ordering Day/Night before the Sun. However, if you're dealing with the primordial age of Creation, simply saying "God's Creative power" achieved it is likely enough to answer it. If he can speak everything into being, surely he can speak...plants into being without the sun? As to the rest, it's not surprising they disagree with mainstream science. That's a critical part of the problem.

They eat their spinach.

@amandadangerfieldpiano

9 ай бұрын

You mean fruit. Genesis 1:29

"lin-E-age" 😐

it is clearly a book of fiction......I wish sometime you would mention the ridiculous talking donkey in the bible.....

@lde-m8688

9 ай бұрын

He did on his Data>Dogma podcast

@scrappycoco6282

9 ай бұрын

It would sound like a fiction nowadays but those things actually happened considering that a lot of things can't explain like how the humans got intelligent and how languages were formed also why this so-called "fiction" is spreading in different languages too

@lde-m8688

9 ай бұрын

Ok let's see it....

@MITsolar

9 ай бұрын

​@@scrappycoco6282 actually none of those things actually happened....No one has ever lived to be 950 yrs old...no one ever walked on water...a donkey has never had a conversation with a person....Jesus is never coming back....witches are not real....no one ever was swallowed by a fish and lived inside the fish for 3 days.....people with mental disorders are not possessed by evil demons....just childish nonsense.

@epicofatrahasis3775

9 ай бұрын

​@@scrappycoco6282 Yeah, snakes and donkeys don't actually talk. It's fiction.

Love your videos!...note that you are confusing "lineage" with "linage"...your intent is the word lin-nee-age

@lysanamcmillan7972

16 күн бұрын

No, his intent is as he says it is. You are being an accent snob.

It’s quite possible that using a number like ‘900 years’ was just a way these tribal, non literate people said that a person lived a long time (and possibly an indication they lived a long time ago) and it wasn’t supposed to be literal.

@rogermills2467

9 ай бұрын

Its fiction. Really. Jews wrote fictions about their origins. God made penises with foreskins and then wanted them cut off? And if a baby did not have it cut off at 8 days, it was outcast. lol. seriously this desert tribe's god is a monster.

@AlanCanon2222

Ай бұрын

Sure. Like in every day use we use terms like "millions" to mean "lots" and in context, no one expects that we necessarily mean some multiple of ten to the sixth power.

You lost credibility when you said “BCE”

I am SO disappointed. All this time, I thought they were elves.

So, does this jibe?: I was taught that these extended lifespans were about wisdom not actually years, necessarily. So kings who reigned for long periods, those dynasties or time periods were about the wisdom of the king who set the precedents of the times or who founded the dynasty. And individuals who lived 600 years or whatever, it was about their experiential age, their wisdom as compared to the average person, how old you'd have to be to understand what they knew. Does that play with the scholarly view?

@Spiritof_76

2 ай бұрын

If you believe in an immortal, extradimensional, all-powerful wizard, you can make up any explanation at all. Why would it need to be logical?

@willcool713

2 ай бұрын

@@Spiritof_76 There's a lot of value in the idea of God, regardless how it's been twisted to control people. Morality cannot always be rational or formulaically scripted. There would be no value to wisdom if morality were so simplistic. If you think ancient peoples were just simplistic and superstitious, I think you'd be hard pressed to explain the wisdom of their traditions, with no rational framework to learn from or to explain the meaning for them in those superstitious stories. It's easy to write off irrational ideas as valueless, but that misses the Humanity, the wisdom, and the lessons of experience that they were trying to preserve. In all the millennia between when we began writing and now, don't you think there were many more wise people along the way than there are alive at any one time, like today? Aren't you interested in what they knew which we may not? Don't feel so smug about being rational when you probably aren't anywhere near as enlightened as the clerics and devotees who preserved their cultural experiences. It looks unenlightened, partly because of the particular masses they were speaking to, and partly because so much context has been lost. If we assume the people who wrote those religious stories were likely very wise -- likely wiser than you or I -- then it would behoove us to carefully try to understand what they were saying, rather than look at the superficial aspects of the stories which seem like magical thinking and delusion on their surface, and simply discount all their effort as irrational. Religion isn't about reason -- the truth doesn't need anyone's faith, it can take care of itself -- religion is about wisdom, hard won from experience, and wisdom is difficult to teach since it isn't rational. Context is the key to meaning, that's why people study ancient religious writing, for clues to cultural context. Why would smart people bother to study religions if it were just silly, irrational madness without value?

@Spiritof_76

2 ай бұрын

@@willcool713 I'll keep it short since you didn't: I raised my children as atheists, and they treat others with respect and care about human rights, the environment, and help others in need. They don't kick dogs and they don't harm other people. They trust in statistics and the scientific method. They enjoy fiction for what it is. Studying religions from an anthropological or sociological perspective makes sense. Believing the fairy tales doesn't.

@willcool713

2 ай бұрын

@@Spiritof_76 The one thing that Atheists miss, as do most religious people, is that it doesn't matter if God is true. You don't believe in God because it's true or to make God true. That's just superstitious children's games. You believe in God -- in anything -- because it's right, not because it's true. Believing in truth is a waste of faith. Most things in life are irrational, not rational. Even logic itself is faith based. We make posits about logic, that it works the same everywhere and that it will always produce results which are logical. But logic is only as good as initial posits, and in any logical system there will always be truths which are wholly irrational, yet remain true despite having no proof nor any way to deduce them or to find such meaning except experience with that system. Godel proved that in the mid 20th. You need to take a philosophy of science class, because you seem to feel your beliefs aren't irrational, or that you don't have beliefs. God is a preternaturally great heuristic for opening up the perspective of honest, objective self-understanding, to those children and lesser intellects who can't get there through the moral calisthenics which you and I can accomplish. It's a social tool for bringing moral actions into easier understanding. It doesn't matter if it's true, it's a good idea to open minds to the idea of seeing themselves honestly. Some people can't use big ideas like that if they don't believe they're absolute fact. And trying to believe in facts is, yes, very dumb. But don't throw the baby out with the bath water. We believe in logic for the exact same reason that we believe in anything, not because it's true, but because it works and leads us to greater understanding. But logic is fundamentally just another faith. What do you think the whole idea of the Vulcan religion in Star Trek was all about? Just another clever fiction? It was deeper philosophically than that. You seem like a smart person, but you also seem incredibly narrow-minded, and very much like someone proselytizing for their own faith blindly, albeit that you hold blind faith in logic.

Is any of the Bible accurate?

@bspallet874

9 ай бұрын

According to this guy it is not ....he acts like a bible expert but in reality he just makes up most that he says

@travis1240

9 ай бұрын

​@@bspallet874 that's funny. You know most people who have actually studied these things agree with Dan on most topics right?

@travis1240

9 ай бұрын

No. The Bible isn't "accurate" in the modern sense and IMO it was never intended to be. It's not a history book. It's a collection of religious texts from very long ago. Religious texts have the express purpose of conveying points about religion through mythology, song, pontificating, etc.

@bspallet874

9 ай бұрын

@@travis1240 anyone that associates themselves with science will agree with him ..he is just a KZreadr

@rainypuddz

9 ай бұрын

@@bspallet874 I’ve researched what he says and it’s all been true. He’s a Bible scholar with lots of education and experience to back up his claims.

These are months they counted using the moon. Humanity has evolved a lot.

They juiced a lot.

@Spiritof_76

2 ай бұрын

That tends to shorten life spans, unless you are referring to drinking vegetable juice out of an expensive blender.

Because the Garden was present on the earth. A property emanating from the Garden attributing to men’s longevity. When it’s retracted in the flood we see a slow start of decay. Language confusion also made a huge knock off years, spreading men out. And forward it moves until it’s locked to its limit. When the Garden returns refurbished, post resurrection, mortals outside the Garden will live long again. In Jasher, however it having its issues, it states other righteous men had died prematurely by Gods command, and not the waters of the flood.

@Spiritof_76

2 ай бұрын

...in the story book.

@zemog1990

2 ай бұрын

@@Spiritof_76bruh

Well , Watson what do u think of my performance. Well Sherlock u had the poor audience spellbound, but I must admit I was not impressed. U gave yourself up. U forgot that God said _"Man shall now live till 120 years " Yes, my dear Sherlock ,God made that drastic cut in lifespan from 800 to 900 years to a mere 100 years. One more Beatitude _ Blessed are those who live to see 100 years.! !!!!

It's been always my contention that those massive lifespans only reflected their measurement of the passage of the days and months. the rising and setting of the sun being a day, and the new moon to new moon being a month. Whatever they decided was a 'year' I don't know. I do know that in Psalms, King David asks for the people to be "taught to measure their days, so that they may grow in wisdom." So, it says to me that the concept of a calendar as we know it now was vastly different back then.

they use a different base in thier numbers

Dan ~~~Do you believe in life After Death

@emptyhand777

9 ай бұрын

I do. Both my parents are dead. My best friend from childhood is dead. I still have life. That is life after death. As for my parents I feel bad for my old man. He died over 20 years before my mother. Does he have to spend eternity with an old woman?

@Sportliveonline

9 ай бұрын

@@emptyhand777 do you merge with the cosmos

@emptyhand777

9 ай бұрын

@@Sportliveonline - only when it has the right of way, otherwise it must yield.

This all sounds really interesting until you remember that more than one person can have the same name. This also fails to acknowledge that the lineage given in Genesis 4 accurately records an exponential decay curve in lifespan. It’s not just a random or drastic drop. Lastly, notice how we don’t have any copies of these other versions. This is all assumption and guesses based on those assumptions about the text.

@bens.1721

2 ай бұрын

I agree with you. When you say “we don’t have any copies of these other versions” are you referring to the ancient Sumerian / Aramaic versions of the text?

God gave Adam the best genes ever in a human being. This is why the earlier folks lived so long and even produced giants. Over the millennia those genes got more and more corrupted and resulted in what we have today. We are all Adam multiplied.

@Ex_christian

16 күн бұрын

A wonderful mythical story, isn’t it?

@treystevenson9872

16 күн бұрын

@@Ex_christianNot a myth, but all truth.

@Ex_christian

16 күн бұрын

@@treystevenson9872 then give some demonstrable evidence to back up your myth that you say is truth!

@Ex_christian

16 күн бұрын

@@treystevenson9872 not truth but all myth unless you bring Demonstrable Evidence! So, where is the worldly evidence of your make believe gods???

@treystevenson9872

16 күн бұрын

@@Ex_christian Would proof of a whole lot of prophecies fulfilled be convincing?

I know I should ignore it, sorry, but please learn to pronounce lineage properly. It's Lin-ee-age (with the ee pronounce like the ey in key, and the age sounding more like the idge in midge).

I honestly don’t know what to think of this whole issue Michael S Heiser argues the patriarchs age actually represent creeds and not actual people. I don’t know what to think of the whole issue anymore. I don’t agree though and I don’t know how I feel about the idea they’re just purely fictional and they were just made up for personal gain.

@rosaeruber225

9 ай бұрын

Why do you think they're real?

@pleaseenteraname1103

9 ай бұрын

@@rosaeruber225 I said I don’t I just don’t think they were 100% fabricated and just made up like Dan thanks.

@epicofatrahasis3775

9 ай бұрын

​​@@pleaseenteraname1103 Seeing as though the Israelites had a penchant for borrowing and modifying ideas and myths from other religions and cultures, maybe they're just following in the footsteps of the Sumerians as Dan suggested?

@pleaseenteraname1103

9 ай бұрын

@@epicofatrahasis3775 I mean I haven’t looked into that particular issue that much. But what particular myths do you think that, The biblical writers of the Old Testament or modifying or borrowing? I don’t really see any good case for that other than they are being some vague motifs and similarities between the epic of Gilgamesh and the genesis flood accounts that might’ve been passed down from different cultures. I still go with Mark S Smith when it comes to that issue, that the old testament authors are not borrowing from other myths but that is similar myths and motives are being passed down from different cultures and that they have inherited motifs rather than directly plagiarizing them. I believe I’ve interacted with you on Derek’s channel before.

@pleaseenteraname1103

9 ай бұрын

@@gekksvide0 it’s always a delight to see you here. He was asked in One of his podcasts in the naked Bible and he said he agreed with the Waltons view that the patriarchs were not meant to be taken literally, it’s been a while since I’ve seen it so there might be a little bit of confabulation on my part. But I’m pretty certain he doesn’t take them to be literal, and Waltons views of the patriarchs don’t represent actual humans but rather creeds. I disagree he was able to challenge a lot of the status quo when it came to traditional Christianity, especially when it comes to the Pentateuch he takes very late dates. Yeah I read their back-and-forth dispute over The supernatural worldview of the biblical writers and the ancient Israelites. I probably should’ve double checked it before saying you helped that but oh well. It could be possible that the scribes actually believe that age is to be true or they were just using them for hyperbole, or it’s even possible that vance position is true though I don’t believe that describes just made stuff up I believe he actually bought most of what they were recording was actually true. But I do plan on going to seminary in a year or so so all that could change. Because you know what they say you don’t know how much you don’t know. I got pretty close to being convinced by the documentary hypothesis just this past year. Also I’m incredibly envious of you and that you are a student under Heizer that’s incredible 😆.

So regarding the evil patriarchs... they all float? ;)

@lysanamcmillan7972

16 күн бұрын

The image of a younger Tim Curry in a sewer wearing a patriarch's robes is NOT why I came here, but I got it anyway. 😂😇

How could anyone be a believer after listening to Dan ?

@fordprefect5304

5 ай бұрын

How can anyone believe someone lived 900 years and not be a total moron?

@DrPhilGoode

3 ай бұрын

⁠@@fordprefect5304I see your 900 years and I’ll raise you a talking lizard/serpent/dragon.

@mshah1193

Ай бұрын

​@@fordprefect5304: Why do turtles / tortoises live upto 300 years, much longer than humans? Why do many underwater species like whales, sponges, etc. live longer than humans?? I am not a Christian. I follow Jainism (ancient religion of India). Most eastern religions also claim ancient humans had a longer lifespan than we do today. The claim is valid as our lifespan is allotted in the # of breaths; not years, days, or seconds. Despite humans having access to modern-day healthcare, turtles / tortoise have a longer lifespan (200 years) than humans as their breathing rate = 5 BPM average. There are many underwater species (e.g. whales) that also live longer than humans. If anything human lifespan has decreased and is still decreasing because of the medical industry (profit making). As we consume more breaths, the Oxygen reacts with Hydrogen to form Free Radicals, which reduces our lifespan. So now the question is what contributes to increased breathing rate and therby increased Oxygen inhalation? The factors include increased population, competition, greed, sexual activities, capitalism / slavery, obesity, smoking, fear, anxiety, depression, etc. These factors were not prevalent in the ancient times, so human beings were able to cultivate their breaths and they also had more # of breaths allowed to them.

@Ex_christian

16 күн бұрын

How can anyone believe in any religious cult or be in them? And yes, that includes the Christian cult!

@mshah1193

16 күн бұрын

​@@Ex_christian: Jainism also claims ancient humans having thousands of years of lifespan. Look up Lord Rushabh in Jainism. Ancient humans were allocated more numbers of breaths and their breathing rate was much lower than today. Low breathing rate means low Oxygen consumption. The reason we age is because of Oxygen. The lung system is only designed to tolerate limited amount Oxygen before it leads to oxidative stress. Look at tortoise for example; they have a longer lifespan than humans because their breathing rate is lower.

Anything is true when you make it up, huh? 😂😂

No doubt the Bible is littered with non-facts. But it's interesting that this longevity thing is a reoccurring theme in Greek, Chinese, & Hindu texts also and stated as facts. Not that they didn't embellish. But it seems there may be some truth to it also.

@Jake-zc3fk

9 ай бұрын

I feel that the desire to see the possibility of some truth to all of the old stories lies in a desire for a longer life which is innate in us. Look at all of the "new age" stuff here on youtube promising longer life, but yet none of it has been proven even by those making the claims. In other words those making grand claims of various things enabling us to live longer are dying right along with the rest of us in the expected time frames. So it seems to me that we would like for there to be some truth to the claims of such long lives in the hope that the ancients knew something we don't and if we could just "break the code" then we could live longer too. Not that its a bad thing to keep looking for that "holy grail", but I think it's more realistic to see it all for what it most logically appears to be.

@energybasics

9 ай бұрын

@Jake-zc3fk I definitely get what you're saying with the new age. But I feel like ancient folks, even folks from the 1800s, were much more in touch their mortality just because of the environment. Maybe not. Maybe it's 100% fiction but idk. I personally have no desire to live for 1000 years on THIS planet lol.

@juanausensi499

9 ай бұрын

The hidden truth is a combination of orally transmitted culture, lack of written records, and desire to embellish the stories.

When we talk about a "year" there's a technical meaning we often think kf as "the" meaning: the revolution of the earth around the sun. This hasn't always been what a "year" is. As the meaning of what a year is changed, did the texts also get updated to reflect that change? You mention this possibility in the beginning, so I'm hoping there's been some research into this. I'd love to learn about the history of ancient calendars and how they work out with these texts--especially vis a vis cultures that used observational calendars over calculated as well as lunar vs solar vs lunisolar and their relationship with "years" as a term. Do we have maniscripts where it's some other number of years that adam lived because they also translated the number of years? Or are numbers often preserved without thought to unit conversion? None of this is to say I don't accept what you're saying, I'm just curious how numbers got translated across cultures and calendars and changed and calendars developed.

Personally, I think it is due to a fundamental misunderstanding of the unit of time. Most ancient cultures looked to the heavens using the sun and moon. What we translate as 'year' may be 'period' and be a lunar cycle. Thus lived 900 lunar cycles. A lunar cycle is roughly 30 days. So 900x30/365.25 =73.92 years. And 74 years old back when the lifespan was roughly 45 would be quite remarkable. The transition to a solilunar calendar probably redefined "year". So Methusalah fathering Lamech at 187 lunar periods would make him 15 yrs. Living to 969 lunar periods would put him around 80 yrs. Adam living to 930 cycles would put him at 76 or so. In Jewish tradition, a boy takes his bar mitzah at 12 and assumes his roles as a man. Methusalah could have been wed and fathered a son. While it could be all allegory, I think there may be some truth hidden in the text just misunderstood in the translation.

Bad diet, smoking, drinking, bad sleeping habits. Any or all of those might have contributed to their short lifespans. Some of the Babylonian kings lived to be tens of thousands of years old

If you add up all the chapters in the Old Testament (929) You will arrive at 1 chapter per each year of Adams life before Jesus( the last Adam ) shows up in Matthew 1( the 930th ch of the Bible ) . You can call this a coincidence if you want.

@Spiritof_76

2 ай бұрын

Or you can claim it was written that way for a reason. When it comes to religion, no explanation is too wild or improbable.

Better question, million $ question: how sane is a 99 year old man who circumcises himself?

Dan, this is an opinion and speculation piece on your part. For believers the explanation of longer years could be linked to the fact that genetics were without the "mutational" negatives that we see today and (speculating) that post-flood could have included a change in the ozone layer - known as the shield for life on Earth.

@timothywilliams8530

2 ай бұрын

Sept there was no flood, and that's not how biology works.

@Spiritof_76

2 ай бұрын

Believing in a deity with no actual evidence, believers can make up whatever they want to justify those beliefs, especially since the conclusion is already made-up.

@izregistered

2 ай бұрын

@@Spiritof_76 What requires more faith, believing in a diety that has left an obvious imprint in nature and creation or Athiesm which ignores it all?

@Spiritof_76

2 ай бұрын

@@izregistered There is zero evidence of any deity. None, zero, zilch, nada. You just fell for the stories you've been told by other misinformed people. Claiming "god made it" is the laziest possible explanation for anything.

@izregistered

2 ай бұрын

​@@Spiritof_76In my perspective, considering an accidental origin and nothingness seems to reflect a greater degree of laziness. It's important to clarify that I'm not asserting a divine creator with the statement "god made it." Rather, I'm offering an explanation based on what a believer might attribute to the prolonged lifespans before the biblical flood. The patterns I discern in nature present what I consider to be more than negligible evidence supporting the idea that our origins are rooted in something transcendent. While we may hold differing views, I respect the possibility of agreeing to disagree.

Because it's fiction!! You're welcome.

So what value does the Bible have? If it's just a collection of stories told by various authors in various times, then how does it have the influence that it has over the centuries? I'm agnostic regarding the Bible but Deistic in belief.

Why are you pronouncing _lineage_ so unusually?

Titi/Eve one daughter of (Adamu/Modern man) one Pure blooded Annunaki from planet 10 with an elongated orbit = Demigod hybrid(Adappa) ,if your home planet has a short orbit, you have a shorter life ,if your home planet has a longer orbit you live a longer life ,her line formed the king's list, of ATLANTIS she was Born in 334,000 then the king's list then the great flood,then (Noah) the first blued eyed fair skinned blonde hair Sumarian..not European.. then the fall of Sumer then mister Enlil went and hunted down all the demigods and enslaved modern women , God didn't kill them he did ,but they lived much longer than 900 years, the king's list is authentic ,but that's the scientific reason for the demigod longer lifespans, they also aged slower,than modern or Civilized man, modern man was destroyed in the great flood. While Civilized man went on to become what he is now ,but has been led into captivity,by a rogue son of the evening Star..then the entity between her children like the Star of Nibiru, seeing both, thru the enmity as only one can and understand them as only can ..

It goes deeper than that, Adam and Eve were supposed to live forever, humans were closer to perfection during that time is the reason for them living longer… During the upcoming thousand year rain, our life span will increase again

I find trying to put the Bible at the bottom of the trusted list as being in very bad taste. Instead of saying it’s a copy of other’s work, why don’t you say other’s work are a copy of the Bible? Which to me is probably a more accurate statement. Satan is a copycat that tries to substitute what God does with his own version to fool as many as possible. We have that in the end times in revelation, where it says that all on the earth will worship him (Satan) whose names are not written in the book of life. In order to do that he mimic’s Christ and throws in error with truth. Only those who have full trust in God’s holy word will make it through those times with their faith in tact.

Even though you share some useful information, you don't have enough evidence to support your conclusion.

@scambammer6102

9 ай бұрын

that people didn't live to be 900 years old? lol

@bzanotti

9 ай бұрын

@@scambammer6102 If by any chance you come back here in a few years from now and apologize for your comment, I'll accept it. We are living in a time that what we consider possible is beginning to change. If you think being humble about this, and realizing your understanding of reality might be incomplete, is sort of like being a fool, you will actually end up being a fool.

@epicofatrahasis3775

9 ай бұрын

​​@bzanotti Yeah, nobody lived to 900 years old. It's fiction. The Biblical writers were borrowing ideas from older religious myths. --------------------------------------------------------- *The Enuma Elish would later be the inspiration for the Hebrew scribes who created the text now known as the biblical Book of Genesis.* Prior to the 19th century CE, the Bible was considered the oldest book in the world and its narratives were thought to be completely original. In the mid-19th century CE, however, European museums, as well as academic and religious institutions, sponsored excavations in Mesopotamia to find physical evidence for historical corroboration of the stories in the Bible. ***These excavations found quite the opposite, however, in that, once cuneiform was translated, it was understood that a number of biblical narratives were Mesopotamian in origin.*** *Famous stories such as the Fall of Man and the Great Flood were originally conceived and written down in Sumer,* translated and modified later in Babylon, and reworked by the Assyrians ***before they were used by the Hebrew scribes for the versions which appear in the Bible.*** ***In revising the Mesopotamian creation story for their own ends, the Hebrew scribes tightened the narrative and the focus but retained the concept of the all-powerful deity who brings order from chaos.*** Marduk, in the Enuma Elish, establishes the recognizable order of the world - *just as God does in the Genesis tale* - and human beings are expected to recognize this great gift and honor the deity through service. *"Enuma Elish - The Babylonian Epic of Creation - Full Text - World History Encyclopedia"* *"Sumerian Is the World's Oldest Written Language | ProLingo"* *"Sumerian Civilization: Inventing the Future - World History Encyclopedia"* *"The Myth of Adapa - World History Encyclopedia"* Also discussed by Professor Christine Hayes at Yale University in her 1st lecture of the series on the Hebrew Bible from 8:45 to 14:30 minutes, lecture 3 from 28:30 to 41:35 minutes, lecture 4 from 0:00 up to 21:30 minutes and 24:00 up to 35:30 minutes and lecture 7 from 24:20 to 25:10 minutes. From a Biblical scholar: "Many stories in the ancient world have their origins in other stories and were borrowed and modified from other or earlier peoples. *For instance, many of the stories now preserved in the Bible are* ***modified*** *versions of stories that existed in the cultures and traditions of Israel’s* ***older*** *contemporaries.* Stories about the creation of the universe, a cataclysmic universal flood, digging wells as land markers, the naming of important cultic sites, gods giving laws to their people, and even stories about gods decreeing the possession of land to their people were all part of the cultural and literary matrix of the ancient Near East. *Biblical scribes freely* ***adopted and modified*** *these stories as a means to express their own identity, origins, and customs."* *"Stories from the Bible"* by Dr Steven DiMattei, from his website *"Biblical Contradictions"*

@bzanotti

9 ай бұрын

@@epicofatrahasis3775 The fact that the biblical texts may be inspired or based on older stories does not exclude the possibility of a greater life span on those ancient times, even though you might find that hard to believe or consider.

@tchristianphoto

6 ай бұрын

@@bzanotti The basic laws of biology have not changed. We know that in past ages life expectancy was much shorter because of infection, disease, lack of sanitation, lack of adequate protective clothing, etc. They did not have access to some supernatural technology that would have prolonged their lives to unheard-of lengths.

nope that is some assuming in this post bud. making assertions of your conclusion as fact is not a reflection of a good scholar.

Yes, please use other parts of your made up story to prove this one rediculous part of your made up story. Analyzing how the names are close together... just wow.

Blasphemy Dan. You simply don't believe the Creator of the Universe has the power to preserve His Word.

@tchristianphoto

6 ай бұрын

Dan's making factual arguments, not theological ones, so they can't count as "blasphemy."

@Spiritof_76

2 ай бұрын

Not believing in this mythical creator is the first step toward rationality.

@Ex_christian

16 күн бұрын

What creator? Where is your Demonstrable Evidence for your make believe?