Just to point out one extremely important fact. Before Stalin there were 4x less Russians here. He deported Estonians to Siberia and imported Russians to russify Estonia. This is a centuries long tactic to change the ethnicity of occupied countries.

@inesez3325

Жыл бұрын

Not only Estonians..

@yo2trader539

Жыл бұрын

That's what he did in Ukraine and Crimea too. He is to blame for today's wars in former Soviet Union.

@clintonreisig

Жыл бұрын

Ethnic cleansing by the Marxists

@rudyd7306

Жыл бұрын

Just like what china's CCP is doing on Xinjiang province , Uyghurs muslim are systematically reduce to depopulate xianjian and replace with chinese from other place. You can call genocide cleansing.

@knightsnight5929

Жыл бұрын

All imperial empires do the same thing, they are a snake in the grass, never to be trusted.

"The many and deep links between Estonia and Russia" are forced, even the "in fact third of the people here have Russian as their first language" is not a natural development between neighbors, but an attempt by the soviets to Russify the country. Prior to occupation in1940, only 8% of the population were ethnic Russian, and this included old-faith Russians who fled Russian persecution and were, still are, welcome. By the end of the occupation, ethnic Russians made up 45% of the country. This number has drastically dropped as many returned to Russia, but it gives a view on scale of attempted eradication our culture had to endure. Lengthy edit, the current ethnic Russian population is 23.6%, so a fourth. Also I do not want to lump all Russians in Estonia into one group and cultivate some ethnic conflict, many and a growing number of them are citizens in both spirit and name, I myself have quite a few Russian colleagues. But, around 50% supported Putin's invasion to Ukraine, being still firmly in Kremlin's propaganda sphere. These are mainly older people, with legacy of Soviet Union in their mindset, youth tends to be a lot more open minded

@JJONNYREPP

Жыл бұрын

Why are communist-era statues being removed in ex-Soviet states? -BBC News 1206pm 24.10.22 probably being sold into pornography by dark satanic cults...

@RedBlackDish

Жыл бұрын

So, a WHITE GENOCIDE? They are trying to eliminate pureblood superior Estonians?

@artursbondars7789

Жыл бұрын

I agree fully, the same goes for Latvia. It's rude, not say more, to start report with simply saying, that "for last 300 years on and off Estonia was part of Russia". Not even mentioning why? Occupation and eradication attempts of whole people groups aren't allowed in international law. And by the same laws it allows for affected peoples to regain their legacies and implement actions and policies, wich they see right. Even ancient Latvian proverbs from Dainas teaches - "To each, his own" and "Do not step on others". Such high morals and ethics aren't found even in Bible! The faith, wich was mainly forced upon Baltic peoples and brought by brutal and forcible ways, even destroying local ways, traditions, culture and peoples.

@Lorenz1973

Жыл бұрын

The report is entirely unacceptable - total whitewashing of Russian Imperialism. The Baltic countries did not ask for this occupation or oppression…

@stc3145

Жыл бұрын

Also called colonisation or etnic cleansing

Quite strange video. As an Estonian, I was bothered how she kept mentioning our "deep and everlasting ties" with russia. There are no ties between us. Some dark history yes, but there has never been any real "brotherhood" between us - maybe that's the reason Estonia is relatively successful these days.

@DrVincentHVTran

Жыл бұрын

You are absolutely correct. The sentiment is very similar to how the ordinary Vietnamese feel about their more powerful Chinese communist neighbor to the north. Communist style governments and their followers are the curse for freedom loving people.

@raketny_hvost

Жыл бұрын

>succesful with decreasing population and always crying for oil from Russia. also funny how people IRL stand for soviet era statues but internet bots and dumb kids tell us how they want to lie under leg of american gods

@matchaa121

Жыл бұрын

@@raketny_hvost A large population doesn't equal success either. I like to live in Estonia because it's a small country. It's good people like you concider it a negative - I like it less crowded. And please vatnik (yes it's obvious that's what you are) don't have illusions like we care about russia or what we could get from russia. We genuinely don't give a f*ck about russia.

@Conn30Mtenor

Жыл бұрын

She's a foreigner, a Brit. She obviously knows dick about Estonian history.

A little history and culture lesson for the BBC: Estonia was ruled by Germans, Danes and Swedes for over 520 years. If you count the 195 years of Russian rule, when in reality we were ruled by the local Germans, then you can safely say that the Germanic influence was present for over 700 years. That is why Estonian culture is heavily influenced by Swedish and German tradition. Estonia, Finland and some other parts of the Russian Empire were semi-autonomous. Both Estonia and Finland had a pretty tiny Russian population at that time; both were governed by local Swedes or Germans instead. Russification attempts in the 19th century were the same in Finland, as in Estonia or Poland - that's why Governor-General of Finland Nikolay Bobrikov was killed by a Finnish Swede in Helsinki; and that's why Helsinki has Uspenski Cathedral right in the city centre near the presidential palace (same as Alexander Nevsky Cathedral in Tallinn, which was nonetheless built even later than the Finnish counterpart: between 1889-1900). The fourth oldest university in Northern Europe is in Tartu, and was established during the Swedish rule; Most of the loans in Estonian are of Germanic origin, including Swedish (gaffel, tallrik, bagare, flicka - kahvel, taldrik, pagar, plika - fork, plate, bakery, girl); Estonians celebrate jul, midsummer, vastlapäev, eat semla, drink glögg, have Taara (Thor) in their mythology, runic calendars, etc; There were actual Estonian vikings from the islands who were even mentioned in Icelandic sagas. It has archeological, historical and cultural evidence, with ongoing research; Estonia had a sizeable Swedish minority as well (Rannarootslased) before WW2. Now it's only ~300 coastal Swedes living here; The main difference with Finland begins in the 49 years of Soviet occupation. Nonetheless, Finland was also heavily influenced by the Soviet ideology and politics, because of Finlandization. Like heck, they still have Lenininpuisto (Lenin Park) in Helsinki. And some Soviet monuments as well (which are similarly being removed rn)

@richardmoloney689

Жыл бұрын

Was Estonia not ruled by the Commonwealth at one time?

@Javlafan

Жыл бұрын

@@richardmoloney689 parts of the Southern Estonia for a short time (around 70 years) and only nominally - everything stayed basically the same - no ethnical, cultural or linguistic changes happened.

@Timurlane100

Жыл бұрын

@@richardmoloney689 - The southern part was.

@johndavies8956

Жыл бұрын

It's a pleasure to read your post. History is not something one finds on the Internet that encourages opinions by the young generation who have no idea nor are they interested. Instant gratification is the key word these days and sadly, those institutions and news platforms one reads are subservient to the bias among their own readers. The key marker for ones success is the number of subscribers one has that in itself is oft times an abuser of the truth. If I recall, both Finland and Sweden did once attack Russia and lost.

@actorleeminho5637

Жыл бұрын

Hi I'm Gen James McConville from Quincy, Massachusetts, I'm here to seek for a friendship hope you don't mind ? 🌸

Estonia is taking memorials of the former Soviet Union and putting them in Museums, Russia is removing their memorials of the former Soviet Union from museums and shipping them to their Forces in the Ukraine!

@jeroenberkenbosch7072

Жыл бұрын

lol

@Left4Red

Жыл бұрын

We should make a monuement to all the jews that estonians killed when nazi germany came over bcuz it seems like you forgot who actually ended the war

@ligametis

Жыл бұрын

That meme is ridiculous. You are acting like Russia doesn't have enough tanks or that Ukraine is using something mor modern

@RogersMgmtGroup

Жыл бұрын

I’ve seen video of WWII artillery being shipped to the front in Ukraine. Meanwhile Ukraine is using modern NATO HiMARS. It’s true the Ukrainians are also deploying donated Russian equipment so, yes they have junk too. The joke is based on truth.

@stc3145

Жыл бұрын

@@ligametis Russia is running out of modern tanks hence why old ones are being taken out of storage

There's a significant difference between a "Shared history" and an imposed occupation, aggressive colonisation, and active genocide. That's not hyperbole, that was the openly stated mandate of the Tsars and ruthlessly continued by Stalin afterwards. Fun Fact: Estonia was forced to grant Russians in Estonia citizenship as a condition for EU membership, something they absolutely did not want to do (I believe it was a similar condition in the other Baltic states as well). Let Estonians tear down anything they want. It's their country, they can do with it as they see fit.

@alexandrumacedon291

Жыл бұрын

let be more ppl like u man :) keep thinking, u said a lot of true stuff

@eksiarvamus

Жыл бұрын

Estonia was not forced to grant Russians citizenship, you made that up.

@peterfireflylund

Жыл бұрын

@@eksiarvamus No, unfortunately not. I am ashamed of that as an EU citizen who is not from the Baltics. The Russians should have been kicked out -- after a long stay in prison or labour camps. That would have been fair and reasonable.

@eksiarvamus

Жыл бұрын

@@peterfireflylund them living here does not mean they were all granted automatic citizenship...

@peterfireflylund

Жыл бұрын

@@eksiarvamus no, not quite automatically. They had to live up to some really easy requirements… and the EU (and the US) were very much against even those low requirements.

Lady - This is like a rock. Guy - That’s why it is tank.

@oncis96

Жыл бұрын

Rekt :D

@margusmees5720

Жыл бұрын

This part killed me

@thegreatpennywise3006

Жыл бұрын

Some real dumb people out there like ugh how embarrassing being this naive or whatever

@Memecious

Жыл бұрын

This is the clip u been looking for: kzread.info/dash/bejne/fK56ma5-pcW9qqw.html

@uriituw

Жыл бұрын

_Tank_ was a British code word.

For the same reason that Germany has removed all pieces of Nazi architecture and statues.

@smartyexplorer135

Жыл бұрын

Here is the recommended clip that explains all: kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZHmMzLSrhN26l7Q.html !

@NotDuncan

Жыл бұрын

I slipped and fell in front of a police station, and they ignored by cries for help! I know you won’t Saul help me! (Joke)

@jeroenberkenbosch7072

Жыл бұрын

"symbols" and statues ! believe me most architecture what had NZ vibe was destroyed during the war anyway . but you still have many buildings left made by NZ , but got all symbolism removed !

@Left4Red

Жыл бұрын

Tell us who beat the nazis guy

@arkadiusztrzesniewski3486

Жыл бұрын

@@NotDuncan You would better call Saul!

Clear misrepresentation of Estonian heritage and social construct. Sentences like "being at the crossroads" and "government has stirred the course, very firmly away from Russia" ... are not just misleading but also ignorant.

It's interesting how Germany was criticised for their wish to repopulate areas with germans but nobody bats an eye on Russia actually taking this practice into reality

@ckch4535

Жыл бұрын

@Eesti mees sort of like how Britain removed the Irish from what is now Northern Ireland and replaced them with British people

@marekkaminski1893

Жыл бұрын

Are you so naive, to put it nicely? Russian standard tactics: conquer, kill the local elites, send the remainder to Siberia, Russify the rest, and then send Russian colonizers.

@overpope3510

Жыл бұрын

@@marekkaminski1893 no I am not, KZread started censoring my comments when I described things more accurately. I lost more than one family member to Russians.

@Mephitinae

Жыл бұрын

@@ckch4535 Or kinda how Swedes went on a "crusade" to Finland, and told the Finns "You work for us now, and everything you produce belongs to us for the next 800 years basically"

@alexandrumacedon291

Жыл бұрын

it does

I am from Denmark, I have never been to Estonia, but everyone I have ever met from Estonia, wanted nothing to do with Russia or the USSR (sort of how any remotely intelligent German wants nothing to do with the third reich) and wanted to be perceived as "Scandinavian" or "Northern European" rather than slavic or "Ethnically Russian".

@ol_gs5752

Жыл бұрын

they were never Russian and no one forced them to become them

@viktorias63

Жыл бұрын

@@ol_gs5752 Russophication, get educated bot

@fidenemini111

Жыл бұрын

@@ol_gs5752 About "no one forced them to become" is a stretching of a reality - they still used more subtle tactics creating circumstances for russification.

@socialghost4400

Жыл бұрын

@@Clonefiles what’s your point exactly? ….and how is anything you said relevant to my comment?

@socialghost4400

Жыл бұрын

@@ol_gs5752 not true, but hey; good job on making things up! 👍

Estonia is NOT an ex-Soviet state. It is a country that was formerly illegally occupied by the Soviet Union, never forming a formal part of that empire. Facts are important!

@spiko-ou3bp

Жыл бұрын

"Estonia is not an ex-Soviet state" what kind of nonsense am I hearing? 😂 We are just going to mold the reality of history to whatever we want and forget about the existence of the Estonian SSR 😂 Whether this was forced upon them or not, it doesn't change that fact that Estonia is an ex-Soviet state.

@fordwrc2006

Жыл бұрын

Now it’s a state of the EUSSR 🇪🇺

@petertobin7163

Жыл бұрын

It's just a suburb of Leningrad

@indieanna4764

Жыл бұрын

Arent most ex soviet states, the same, they were also illegally occupied by the Soviet Union.????? serious question

@fordwrc2006

Жыл бұрын

@@indieanna4764 I believe so - under the Bolshevik revolution. I didn’t vote to be or ask to be ruled by anyone in the EUSSR either though.

The Soviet era monuments were the symbols of Soviet imperialist occupation and terror. It is a wonder that they were not removed earlier.

@madmadagascar

Жыл бұрын

I remember around 2007 they removed/relocated a monument in Tallinn that caused threats from Putin and riots and looting by his supporters. It got quite scary.

@flab3r

Жыл бұрын

They weren't removed cause russia always threatened retaliation. Now they've got nothing to threaten with. We dont need their gas, electricity or tourism. And with us being in nato they can't do anything militarily.

@Leberteich

Жыл бұрын

Imperialist occupation yes but is it fair to say 'Soviet' imperialist? Wasn't Russia imperialist under the Tzars already, and isn't it still as the present oligarchy? In my view, Russia always was imperialist, regardless of its internal political system.

@holyfordus

Жыл бұрын

Before this year there was a widely-held, but rarely spoken of, geopolitical fear of Russia amongst a good deal of the world population-mighty, unstoppable Russian bear and all that. Now the world can see that, though the bear has “mighty” teeth, it also has rotten gums.

@whitelutik

Жыл бұрын

It's that little detail of having 1/3 population still under impression they live in USSR

The title is simply wrong, as Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania were never lawfully part of the Soviet Union. They were illegally annexed by Stalin in 1945 in violation of their sovereignty and the international community never recognized that illegal annexation. They were only de facto part of the USSR, never de jure.

@ballmuncher-hn1fq

Жыл бұрын

1940 get the year right and the west couldn't care less about the baltics until 1991

@yagi3925

Жыл бұрын

@@ballmuncher-hn1fq 1940, right, but then they were invaded by nazi Germany in 1941 and reoccupied by the USSR only in 1945 (or was it 1944?). As for the West, I never said that it cared a lot about the Baltics before 1990 (not 1991), I just stated that it legally refused to recognize the Societ annexation of the three republics all along.

@ballmuncher-hn1fq

Жыл бұрын

@@yagi3925 it got retaken in 1944 but the west recognized the USSR with all its republics meaning they recognized the baltic states as part of it

@yagi3925

Жыл бұрын

@@ballmuncher-hn1fq No way. The annexation of the three Baltic republics by the USSR was never recognized by the West. Just one illustration: the US federal Reserve kept the Baltic gold at Fort Knox all along until the three republics effectively regained their independence (1990-1991).

@ballmuncher-hn1fq

Жыл бұрын

@@yagi3925 ofc they kept baltic gold at fort knox cuz the owner probably wasn't soviet

Russia treated them terribly for years and then wonders why they want to join nato

@fuzer4047

Жыл бұрын

that's why we are buying long range weaponry to destroy St petersburg

When the Soviet Era began, soldiers would march into people's (mostly Estonians) houses, farms, factories, and say "This belongs to us now. Leave your things, get out. Or die now". And the people that lived there had to leave immediately with no place to go. This is how many of them emigrated to other countries. I know this because I knew some of them.

@Richiesrant

Жыл бұрын

@@stopfairyfascism1267 Yep, well I knew Estonian refugees that told the same fable. People that were actually there and went through it.

@andyginterblues2961

Жыл бұрын

My ex wife's mother had to flee Latvia when the red army raided their house, she told us that they were chased through the forest by armed soldiers at night. She had tears in her eyes when she recalled this. She escaped, but I think it was her uncle that was captured and died in the gulags. The family had businesses, I think a chain of shops, that the Soviets wanted.

@davetarrant6888

Жыл бұрын

@@stopfairyfascism1267 ⬅️🤡

@eksiarvamus

Жыл бұрын

And note that they could only really leave in 1944 before the start of the 2nd Soviet occupation. Otherwise the Soviets kept them as prisoners.

@paulmichaelfreedman8334

Жыл бұрын

@@stopfairyfascism1267 take your ignorant ass and crawl back under your rock

Because they don't want to be reminded of a dictatorship and tyranny. Really hard to work that one out 🙄

@matukaz

Жыл бұрын

Not only that, statue you see at 0:45 is being moved away from public parks. Already 3 very similar to these have been moved this year. This movement has been going on now more then decade, but has defiantly accelerated this year due to war. It started at 2007 with Bronze Soldier of Tallinn being moved away from Tallinn city center park. Citizens of Estonia want their parks back, not reminded of occupation by seeing the statues.

@supernatural_forces

Жыл бұрын

Most intelligent & informed people on Earth could be found on mainstream media coz probably they watch news daily.

@Gringo.the.Bratan

Жыл бұрын

Lol my mum grew up in soviet union she said it was amazing . Orphan kids had homes to sleep,free health care and if you was smart you could make a good living . My mother got a house for free in the city, not everything is black and white you're misguided people just wanted free speech .

@Left4Red

Жыл бұрын

USSR wasn't tyrannical not any different then the EU systems of that time and now

@diego5079

Жыл бұрын

@@quill9105 Its a link to some origami tutorial, shouldn't have bothered

The real question is - why have these statues that represented the brutal occupation, killings, deportations and repressions been allowed to stay for such a long time?

@davebeat

Жыл бұрын

There were agreements made at the fall of the soviet era that former states would not destory certain monuments, but that's not to say that the people have not tried. The one in Latvia which you saw being destroyed at 0:58 had many attempts by the people to have it removed, including trying to blow it up, and many petitions which were pushed back by legislation. Finally, our politicians are saying enough is enough as many of the monuments are places were pro-russian rallies gather.

@Will-be-free

Жыл бұрын

Maybe out of fear, of what the murderous regime in the east would do to them if the monuments were removed.

@Mart77

Жыл бұрын

Because of Estonian parliament has too many pro-russia puppet politicians

@Clonefiles

Жыл бұрын

Desert Storm was a perfect example of when you go into a conflict with the determination to actually win it. While I am critical of US foreign policy, the wars in the middle east in particular. I still have to stand in aw at that majesty that is operation desert storm, from the degree of industrial and military commitment, to swift execution, to the almost orchestral direction in the mosaic warfare strategy used. There will never be another conflict where so much goes the way it was planned and turns out so effective

@texaswunderkind

Жыл бұрын

I'm sure for many older people, the statues represented the sacrifice of millions of troops to stop the Nazis. Unfortunately, the liberating Red Army became the occupying Red Army.

This is a silly question. If the UK had been occupied by Germany, would statues erected by the latter to commemorate the UK's "liberation" still be standing?

@linanicolia1363

Жыл бұрын

If my aunt had one, we would call her uncle.

@MultiTsai

Жыл бұрын

During WW2 Estonia was occupied 3x, first Russia when it was still allied with Germany, then Germany and again Russia. I can’t imagine still having hundreds of nazi monuments and people criticizing us for trying to get rid of nazi monuments. And the fact is Estonians suffered far more in the hands of Russia during WW2 and during the almost half a century occupation. We lost a 5th of the native population and they kept bringing in Russians, towards the end of the occupation the country was 45% Russians already - pre WW2 Estonia was 88% Estonian.

@indieanna4764

Жыл бұрын

Because Russia was still considered a strong nation, and maybe reprisal could have been possible by them, so didnt want to antagonize them. now we know different, they can go back to their true culture.

I am Estonian and this clip is just plain stupid or badly mis-titled.

@starvictory7079

Жыл бұрын

You should call them or send an email. It's outrageous. Greetings from Sweden ❤

This was unfortunately an extremely strange report of the situation in Estonia. The only close ties between Russia and Estonia have been forced by the first on the other. Now you made it feel like it had been amicale - don't ever think like that!

@JohnJ469

Жыл бұрын

So it's not just me? They make it sound like the Soviet Union was a benevolent ruler instead of one of the most bloodthirsty in history.

@tanel-matthiaspriimets6354

Жыл бұрын

We estonians were not happy being part of russia.

@wederMaxim

Жыл бұрын

Only before that you were Swedish.

Something worth pointing out is that the vast majority of the people working in labour camps and prisons were of Baltic, Tatar and Kazakh descent, and a huge population "exchange" happened in all of these regions, especially Kazakhstan. And of course, when your nation is being ethnically cleansed on a regular basis, the demographics will inevitably change.

@paulmichaelfreedman8334

Жыл бұрын

Sad part is that Putin is now conscripting the descendants of those who were deported to the far regions.

@eliasziad7864

Жыл бұрын

Don't be an idiot, Russians from Russia SSR made up almost half of the gulag. Thanks to Georgian dictator Stalin.

@Cheekychappy36

Жыл бұрын

​@@eliasziad7864 Blaming the Soviet war crimes on Georgia is the most Russian thing I have ever read.The United States is the only country remotely even close to Russia in terms of damage to the global world over the last five or six decades. There is a reason that the majority of countries on every continent, and their civilian populations, are anti-Russian and see them as unfavorable, dangerous or an outright enemy. Unlike the former Imperial countries of France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Belgium, the Netherlands and the United Kingdom, Russia has not changes its ways. Russia always has been and always will be the most dangerous nation in terms of causing another truly global conflict. Not China, not the US, not the EU, but Russia and Russia alone.

@eliasziad7864

Жыл бұрын

@@Cheekychappy36 🤣🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡

@eliasziad7864

Жыл бұрын

@@Cheekychappy36 A global order led by the US? The number one threat to this world? Yeah right, how much of those Amerikkkan propaganda have you been consuming. Your Russophobia is absolutely insane. 🤡🤡🤡

Amazing how Estonia has been through all of this not so long ago and it's such a prosperous nation now. That's not what we see when it comes to ex Soviet territory.

@rafaelosorio2251

Жыл бұрын

prosperous?

@donnpatez101

Жыл бұрын

@@rafaelosorio2251 do you even know where Estonia is? I bet you don't , because if knew you wouldn't be asking that.

@eliasziad7864

Жыл бұрын

Estonia isn't prosperous...

@themeerofkats8908

Жыл бұрын

Estonia is very prosperous for tech companies. For the people, not so much.

@ballmuncher-hn1fq

Жыл бұрын

estonia has 25% inflation rn that isn't prosperous

For any Nation to grow into something better it needs to accept changes , well done the Baltic countries . 🙏👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

@RoseSharon7777

Жыл бұрын

Forgetting the past lends to repeating it.

@vascobranco5296

Жыл бұрын

@@RoseSharon7777 They will not forget because they have russia right next door to remember them of the horrors of the soviet era

@jonaspete

Жыл бұрын

@@RoseSharon7777 that's why Russia needs to be erased.

@sourexpression362

Жыл бұрын

@@RoseSharon7777 Is more a display of one removing the old shackles and finally moving on. Also defiance to Russia, telling them to move on from the past too and to finally grow the hell up.

@feonor26

Жыл бұрын

@@RoseSharon7777 It's not forgetting when you put it in a museum like we do with nazi things.

Well probably because they weren't exactly treat brilliantly

@Left4Red

Жыл бұрын

They were but ok

@pinkbono

Жыл бұрын

@@Left4Red Pole here, been living behind the iron curtain and it was a nightmare.

@kingofdragonsgameplay1369

Жыл бұрын

@@pinkbono would you mind pointing out a few of the examples of mistreatment? If you have the knowledge to contrast it with Russia proper under Soviet rule, that would be even better!

@Drownedinblood

Жыл бұрын

It sure is paradise now.

@Left4Red

Жыл бұрын

@@Phantamoon you mean something the soviet peoples were subjected to and resisted the nazi occupiers?

I agree with that museum creator totally. To record history, not glorify, but also to never forget

@rwags6848

Жыл бұрын

100%. All countries have history that we are not particularly proud of but to attempt to just hide it/ban it/ignore it… does no favours to the future. A fact the American Right need to learn currently. A view from afar

@anonymousone6075

Жыл бұрын

The monuments are there to celebrate the local people who were involved in the fighting... removing them is a disgrace! honour the dead!

@rwags6848

Жыл бұрын

@@anonymousone6075 So put up local monuments… not ones glorifying the invaders! I doubt that Ukrainians will be erecting Glory-to-Russia monuments any day soon… although I expect a few no-lid tanks will survive as a reminder.

@Masonicbrother

Жыл бұрын

​@@anonymousone6075 Then they belong in cemeteries' and graveyards or Historical museums or private areas. Not glorified in public places. They need to be where they are placed in the right context.

@pflernak

Жыл бұрын

@@rwags6848 They are gathering places for local Russians that venerate the Soviet Union. And the Soviet Occupation was not better than the nazi one for us - it and the its purges came first and ultimately lasted way longer.

I have been to most major cities in Europe and I have to say there was something really special about Tallinn that made a big impression on me, low crime, happy people, cheap prices and clean pretty streets and buildings, also not too many tourists like you get in the more popular cities (like Prague, a previously amazing city ruined by tourists). The kind of place you can go and feel immediately accepted by the locals. I wish them all the best in these decisions, as it seems they are doing it in moderation, just hopefully won't get rid of the old pretty buildings

@dwideng

Жыл бұрын

First time ever in periphery? And happy people? Really? I worked there about 5 years and then I ran and never looked back. How Borell said, Europe is a garden and outside is jungle. You should know that Tallinn came out of jungle pretty recently. So maybe you just like jungle 😃

@michaeldavison9808

Жыл бұрын

Do you recognise the irony of going somewhere as a tourist and comparing it to Prague that has been ruined by the number of tourists?

@alexseguin5245

Жыл бұрын

Prague hasn't been ruined by tourists, it has been ruined by cars.

@saccerzd

Жыл бұрын

@@michaeldavison9808 I know what you mean, but there are different 'classes' of tourist - places get affected by drunks looking for a cheap stag do venue, or package holiday and cruise ship tourists, in a differentand more negative way than they do by considerate travellers looking to experience the local life/food/culture etc.

@lolaqwerty6174

Жыл бұрын

British tanks have been in Estonia since 25 February 2022. Now bbc wants you to spew some drivel and help yourself to digest their propaganda. Bolsheviks were Jews. End of story.

this gotta be the most obvious answer they hated it

The question should be why these weren't removed sooner.

@smartyexplorer135

Жыл бұрын

Here is the recommended clip that explains all: kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZHmMzLSrhN26l7Q.html !

@jtbwilliams

Жыл бұрын

They're very big and very heavy.

@user-qn4rr9ck9i

Жыл бұрын

just to have a reason to remove them and givr them back to russia

@petertobin7163

Жыл бұрын

Morning Nazi

@AndreasAntics

Жыл бұрын

Honestly, I was there 7 years ago and the only Soviet anything I saw were in museums. I guess they still had a few left, but I commented at the time how amazing that was- they were preserving the history while removing the honor- and how I wished the US felt the same way about civil war relics.

I always find it laughable when Estonian-Russians claim discrimination, in fact they have been pampered. They think simply asking to communicate in Estonian is an offense to them, even if they are public officials or working somewhere that requires communication, stores for an example. All my life, even as a child, i have been dealing with the fact that you never know if the other person even speaks Estonian or maybe just refuses to. I've dealt with Estonian-Russians who refuse to speak the language in the schools, hospitals, stores, taxis, buses etc. They live in this weird world where they think Russia will come and "liberate" them at any point, while refusing to acknowledge the fact that the Russian government is horrible to its people and life in Estonia is far superior in every metric. We should've started to de-Russify soon after our regaining our independence, starting with schools and slowly integrating Estonian-Russians into our society, would be a win-win for everyone here. Maybe one day i can walk around the town without worrying what language the other person speaks.

@RovexHD

Жыл бұрын

I was under the impression they’re taught Russian at school. How are they supposed to speak Estonian if education is in Russian ?

@sri33333

Жыл бұрын

@@RovexHDAs any normal person because they have lessons of Estonian language at school.

@MrSookonn

Жыл бұрын

Many estonians have been beaten to death because using estonia language, specially 1945-1995 and even now if you speak estonian in public around russians there is great possibility for conflict. For low level russians you are a fashist if you dont speak russian.

@unclesmrgol

Жыл бұрын

You guys could get some pointers from Canada -- but probably not. kzread.info/dash/bejne/nK2Dk6uFgaSto7g.html

@MultiTsai

Жыл бұрын

@@RovexHD They are the ones who have been fighting for Russian speaking kindergartens and schools… this is the part that is different to convey to foreigners. These people are actively fighting against adjusting. They don’t want to live in Russia. They want to live here, but many, til this day want to Russify their former colonies. Even recently I read about a woman who was threatened on a train how Putin’s troops will come here and give them all weapons etc. And it’s not some isolated thing, way too many of them carry that mentality. And actually that aggression in many cases carries over to being aggressive towards/ridiculing Russians who have integrated, including in the local Russian language media (by calling them integrasts). Anyways education will transition to Estonian here now regardless of all that.

Estonia sang for their freedom. I hope that freedom stands strong forever.

@greenpepper871

Жыл бұрын

Freedom from high syandart of living

@Memecious

Жыл бұрын

This is the clip u been looking for: kzread.info/dash/bejne/fK56ma5-pcW9qqw.html

@MrSookonn

Жыл бұрын

The singing for freedom is a myth, moscow simply stopped their attack in baltic states.

@Clonefiles

Жыл бұрын

Desert Storm was a perfect example of when you go into a conflict with the determination to actually win it. While I am critical of US foreign policy, the wars in the middle east in particular. I still have to stand in aw at that majesty that is operation desert storm, from the degree of industrial and military commitment, to swift execution, to the almost orchestral direction in the mosaic warfare strategy used. There will never be another conflict where so much goes the way it was planned and turns out so effective

During the Tsarist rule, the nobles were German. So the "close links and ties" come from the Soviet occupation when these were forced upon the country. The Russian minority living in Estonia were moved there during the Soviet time, yet the video suggests that it was so for ages and ages. This video is borderline disinformation as it seems to be very similar to the official Russian narrative.

Because Communism and the Soviets were a dreadful curse on them. It's akin to pulling Nazi monuments down.

@smartyexplorer135

Жыл бұрын

Here is the recommended clip that explains all: kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZHmMzLSrhN26l7Q.html !

@Left4Red

Жыл бұрын

Communism and nazism are not the same If they are then where does that put capitalism? Something that ravages the world today

@chopstixsix802

Жыл бұрын

30 million soviets died fighting Nazis! You sound ridiculous!

@Floucz

Жыл бұрын

@@Left4Red Yes they are!!! Crimes of comunism and nazism are equally evil!!

@nunoafonso2593

Жыл бұрын

@@Left4Red you're equating communism and nazism with capitalism? absolute nonsense. communism and nazism are just the two totalitarian faces of the same coin.

An interesting piece of history is that German barons ruled over much of Estonia for many more centuries than the Russians did. Ironically, the incoming Russians removed many traces of the German influence (even cemeteries), so it almost seems like what’s happening to Russian monument is historical Karma. Finally Estonians can decide their own path after almost 1000 years of struggle.

It's like Sigrid said at 7:29 it depends what the structure is; It's purpose now and then. The difference between and abandoned soviet building and a statue is that no one is glorifying the abandoned buildings they're simply buildings with a history that are being urbexed or repurposed as museums to educate people about their dark past. The statues serve no other purpose other than the commemoration or glorification of the occupation.

@Clonefiles

Жыл бұрын

Desert Storm was a perfect example of when you go into a conflict with the determination to actually win it. While I am critical of US foreign policy, the wars in the middle east in particular. I still have to stand in aw at that majesty that is operation desert storm, from the degree of industrial and military commitment, to swift execution, to the almost orchestral direction in the mosaic warfare strategy used. There will never be another conflict where so much goes the way it was planned and turns out so effective

These Warsaw pact countries were forced into the USSR after WW2. There never was a friendly bond.

I feel these monuments were akin to the Confederate statues in the southern US states, to intimidate the people into staying oppressed and in the USSR, or it’s sphere of influence.

@fgvfgv5976

Жыл бұрын

Behind confederate States was nothing monstrous unlike USSR.

@slickrick2420

Жыл бұрын

@@fgvfgv5976 Chattel slavery, racism and treason are not monstrous? Confederency is just as monstrous as the USSR

@haxbritania5942

Жыл бұрын

@@fgvfgv5976 not if your black.

@Coastfog

Жыл бұрын

@@fgvfgv5976 well, the institution of slavery and widespread support for it might feel monstrous and intimidating to some people.

@Alvaro-hw8ld

Жыл бұрын

@@fgvfgv5976 Just slavery, don't be silly.

Years ago I was in East Berlin. A German Taxi Driver took me around a few of the Soviet Era war memorials, or as he called them "the tomb to the unknown rapist" and "the memorial to the unknown torturer". That was before the wall came down and perhaps tells you something about why these things are disappearing.

@indieanna4764

Жыл бұрын

i am so glad, the world is now hearing about the russian/soviet atrocities, that those of us were told about years ago, by our parents and grandparents. the mantra has to be 'never again' we must do everything we can to make sure of that. Helping Ukraine is helping democracy and freedom,

@safemedal

Жыл бұрын

didn't that taxi driver tell you what the germans did in the ussr? and anyway the Americans and British did the same things the Soviets did.

The journalist seemed disappointed that Soviet statues were removed. Odd!

@terhgasabeha9552

Жыл бұрын

Maybe she's Russian.

@matchaa121

Жыл бұрын

I thought the same. Maybe she's a communist😅

You can't erase your past , but you can grow better from it !

@cyberbugs7019

Жыл бұрын

Soviet status is not our past. Imagine another country invading your country, putting up statues and then you gain back your freedom from then... The statues should have been torn down immediately. It's not erasing history. It's just taking down unrespectful statues that represent murdering you and your parents.

@texaswunderkind

Жыл бұрын

People don't remember things just because there are monuments. I have remembered that 2+2=4 since I was a small child, and there isn't a single statue reminding me of that anywhere. In the United States there were monuments to the Confederacy erected 60 years after the Civil War, as demonstrations of white power as segregation was starting to crumble. The monuments had nothing to di with remembering fallen soldiers and everything about reminding a minority people that they remained powerless and threatened.

@miketran4289

Жыл бұрын

Tell that to Russia. They've doubled down.

@worldspam5682

Жыл бұрын

@@miketran4289 because they were that "past"

As they should. We done everything in our power to remove signs of the Nazis after WW2, yet people seem to forget the Soviets were literally doing the same as the Nazis with their gulags and hard labour camps along with the mass oppression of their people and foreigners through the Soviet era.

@dmitry1115

Жыл бұрын

As Ameican did with Japans, Germans and kommunist people

@Clonefiles

Жыл бұрын

Desert Storm was a perfect example of when you go into a conflict with the determination to actually win it. While I am critical of US foreign policy, the wars in the middle east in particular. I still have to stand in aw at that majesty that is operation desert storm, from the degree of industrial and military commitment, to swift execution, to the almost orchestral direction in the mosaic warfare strategy used. There will never be another conflict where so much goes the way it was planned and turns out so effective

@texaswunderkind

Жыл бұрын

In the end, there was very little difference between the Nazis and Soviets where civilians were concerned. The Soviet Union refused to relinquish control of any of its occupied land once World War II ended in Europe. Stalin installed puppet governments and ruled with an iron fist over the enslaved Warsaw Pact nations.

@anacc3257

Жыл бұрын

The communists killed more in total if you look at death tolls in the 20th century. That people believe that only nazism should be removed from society and not communism as well is very worrisome.

@lovemyjayde3441

Жыл бұрын

@@dmitry1115 Keep on trying to deflect,You are just another Russian troll.🤡

The same is true with Confederate monuments in the US. They belong in the museum.

@bibleolympics

Жыл бұрын

Exactly...remove the history and accept the NWO ...You will own nothing and be happy!

For the same reason nazi flags and statues were torn down on liberation day 1945. Not exactly rocket science.

Whoa whoa whoa... Russian built? Really educate this reporter. Nothing was russian built. Estonians bult it themselves. Its just that they HAD to build it by the schemes of the occupiers. But Estonia was to CCCP what Germany is to the EU. The most advanced, most economically sustainable and innovative country that had the best standard of living by Estonians for Estonians.

It was Putin who started this war, and it is he who can end it tomorrow by withdrawing his troops. It is worth remembering that if Putin and Russia stop fighting, peace will come. If President Zelenskyi and Ukraine stop fighting, Ukraine will cease to exist as an independent state.

@RogersMgmtGroup

Жыл бұрын

and the Russians will be able to genocide the Ukrainians off the face of the earth. Mass murder, forced conscription in occupied areas, taking children for “adoption” in Russia, and forced deportations to Siberia are already happening. We can probably expect gas chambers next if Putler is not stopped.

@whitelutik

Жыл бұрын

Putin will be dead the minute he stops this war, so he keeps going

@Mestari1Gaming

Жыл бұрын

True! Victory for Ukraine!

@yuliyaivanova1218

Жыл бұрын

Are you repeating Blinken’s speech because unable to think and analyse yourself? Zelensky can’t stop fighting because his puppeteer the US doesn’t allow that, Ukraine being a strategic object for America

@JakubKas

Жыл бұрын

@@yuliyaivanova1218 Go to hell Ivan

Estonia is moving on, why hasn't Russia?

@Wolverine-ky9gk

Жыл бұрын

moving on from what

All nations bordering muskovy unfortunately need to deal with this sort of thing. For some, like Estonia, it is a matter of removing the imposed muskovite imagery. For others like Ukraine it is to fight for their very lives. I pity muskovites neighbours.

@ianmackenzie686

Жыл бұрын

@Neil Bowman Mostly savage mongoloids, I agree.

@stvk99

Жыл бұрын

muskovy? it's not 1400s dude

@zanizone3617

Жыл бұрын

@@stvk99 then the muskovites should stop acting as if it was...

@dachavanderlinovo413

Жыл бұрын

@@zanizone3617 Since when I became muskovite? I live in Karelia lol, in Petrozavodsk

Seems like the audio and video part of the video weren't synced. The audio was a few seconds ahead of the video. (EDIT) I guess it was fixed then. Thanks, maybe.

History and traditions are great.....but it should always be about keeping the flame of your society and culture alive and not about praying to the ashes. Seeing this, I think the Baltic states understand that.

@Mahbu

Жыл бұрын

I am envious of how mature these Baltic states are compared to the United States. They seem to understand nuance. They seem to understand the purpose of statues and monuments. They know it's in museums and classrooms and textbooks where you teach and record history. They're willing to have dialogues on the issue and go case-by-case. Here in the US, we throw hissy fits and defend a mythologized "history".

The way I see it, Estonia is considered a ''Nordic'' country, and have more in common with ''Nordic/Scandinavian'' culture and heritage than Slavic/Russian, if you don't count the culture that has been forced upon them by Russia in the past that is.

@staceytowers9056

Жыл бұрын

Vikings

Because they don't want them anymore......duh.

Grutas park in Lithuania, near the town of Druskininkai, has a very interesting collection of old Soviet monuments. I was last there in 2002. In Vilnius at that time there were also four famous statues at the corners of the green bridge. I believe these have now been moved to Grutas park also.

What a sad day for humanity when this became a question that needs to be asked on bbc

@smartyexplorer135

Жыл бұрын

Here is the recommended clip that explains all: kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZHmMzLSrhN26l7Q.html !

@OmmerSyssel

Жыл бұрын

Try study how this despicable leftist propaganda cooperation brought Islamist Khomeini to Iran! A scaring eye opener. Cultural Marxism at it's worst...

@hamzaiftikhar1229

Жыл бұрын

Pakistani Journalist brutally killed in kenya.. He was planned assasinated. Whole world is silent ... needs investigation . Kindly raise voice for justice ... Media is portraying as he died in accident but infact he was shot in head by snipper

@jeroenberkenbosch7072

Жыл бұрын

some would ask that question , as they dont understand it ..... can you understand all what is happening in the world ? and the choices some make ?

@NotDuncan

Жыл бұрын

I think I’ve seen everything now, someone gatekeeping questions and where, when and how they should be asked. *clap* congrats you’re a new low for humanity

Russia likes to create statues monuments of war and fighting scenes. Why not instead of always thinking about war, give a fair amount of recognition to the scholars, creators and artist?

@pshemko__

Жыл бұрын

Probably it’s because Russia likes to portray itself as a fortress which is under a threat from the “unknown forces”. The existence of this country is based on fear and subordination of people.

@iamric23

Жыл бұрын

@@pshemko__ well put, I agree

@murphy7801

Жыл бұрын

Because Russia encourages positive war mindset. There have been many good russian literates, scientists and engineers. Who I suspect probably go unrecognised by there own population bar maybe cosmonauts (which TBF are good achievements)

@4rn0ld13

Жыл бұрын

Because they respect intelligence. So much so that all intellectuals in the eastern block were either killed off or shipped to siberia. Towns were emptied of their brains becase thinking people are a threat. How can such a regime recognize and acgnowledge intellect and talent when the regime is a mindless mass itself?

@yo2trader539

Жыл бұрын

Russians believe they descend frontier Vikings.

Part of Russia? Didn't you mean invaded, occupied, and forced to learn Russian?

Really good potential for a good story, but poor preparation and investigation of history makes this a dissapointment. Half a job, BBC. 'Links between the two are many and deep' you failed to mention that those links were also forced and brutally enforced by mass deportation and other atrocities, same as in all three of the Baltic countries.

I don't think there needs to be 8 minutes to explain the title of this video.

Idk why did Germany remove their Nazi statues?

Christa: "That's like a rock." Madis: "That's why it is tank." I can't be the only one that noticed how bad this was. Lol

@interdictr3657

Жыл бұрын

agreed. what was she expecting?

@tremedar

Жыл бұрын

@@interdictr3657 Well the thing is a war-built T-34, wouldn't surprise me one bit if hitting the thing would knock some plates loose.

@MRB2580

Жыл бұрын

Armour is hard :OOO

@Clonefiles

Жыл бұрын

Desert Storm was a perfect example of when you go into a conflict with the determination to actually win it. While I am critical of US foreign policy, the wars in the middle east in particular. I still have to stand in aw at that majesty that is operation desert storm, from the degree of industrial and military commitment, to swift execution, to the almost orchestral direction in the mosaic warfare strategy used. There will never be another conflict where so much goes the way it was planned and turns out so effective

@Clonefiles

Жыл бұрын

Desert Storm was a perfect example of when you go into a conflict with the determination to actually win it. While I am critical of US foreign policy, the wars in the middle east in particular. I still have to stand in aw at that majesty that is operation desert storm, from the degree of industrial and military commitment, to swift execution, to the almost orchestral direction in the mosaic warfare strategy used. There will never be another conflict where so much goes the way it was planned and turns out so effective

The title of this video is probably the stupidest one the BBC has ever put

Saying Estonia or any baltic state has shared history and is divided on Russian influence is like saying black people are divided on the confederates.

@starvictory7079

Жыл бұрын

Worse, as Estonians come from Estonia....in fact Swedes and Germans have more claim to Estonia than Russians if you look at history.

@Sas-qx3qo

Жыл бұрын

@@starvictory7079 exactly, and if u go back in history after ww1 whene all baltic states became independent there was de germanisation.

So many mistakes - BBC should be ashamed: tank is a replica, sea harbor as a symbol of Soviet buildings ....

Don’t destroy, transform in museum ! 😊 Excellent idea 💡

Something people desperately need to understand, especially in the United States, is the difference between a classroom or a text and a monument. Yes, statues and monuments are all a part of history. Technically EVERYTHING is history. That being said, HOW they convey history and WHAT they convey are what matters. You see, monuments exist solely to glamorize or glorify. To commemorate something, if we're being generous. They are there to send a message. Putting up a statue of, say, a proud Confederate soldier astride a horse in a predominantly Black community or during the civil rights movement sure as hell isn't meant to be reconciliatory. A statue of Robert E Lee - who, by the way, was most certainly in favor of slavery despite what the Lost Causers will tell you - says nothing except "look at this man, he deserves to be remembered proudly". It doesn't teach you about his history or what he did. Only that someone felt he needed to be immortalized in stone or metal. A HISTORY BOOK is how we preserve and tell history. A classroom is where we learn and teach history, not that statue. At what point does that statue tell you that Robert E Lee owned slaves, some of whom tried to escape. That doesn't tell you Robert E Lee had those slaves beaten and brine rubbed into their wounds. These soviet monuments likewise teach very little and only serve to push a narrative of how great the Soviet Union was. How glorious it was. "Look at what they accomplished, look at all these monuments built to their legacy!" As some have pointed out, many of these monuments were forced on countries as a reminder of who they essentially owed their existence to. Never you mind they were complicit in Nazi Germany's expansion, seizing land for themselves in Poland. Never mind the brutal oppression and exploitation of Eastern Europe under the Soviet Boot. You won't learn about that from those pristine T-34s on pedestals. The people who talk (whine) about "erasing history" are really referring to that mythologized narrative rather than honest history. Oh, also, Russia's being kinda belligerent. I wouldn't want to associate with them right now.

I admire the mindset of the acceptance of their history and not just rejection

@Clonefiles

Жыл бұрын

Desert Storm was a perfect example of when you go into a conflict with the determination to actually win it. While I am critical of US foreign policy, the wars in the middle east in particular. I still have to stand in aw at that majesty that is operation desert storm, from the degree of industrial and military commitment, to swift execution, to the almost orchestral direction in the mosaic warfare strategy used. There will never be another conflict where so much goes the way it was planned and turns out so effective

When I was camping & travelling around Australia, I met a delightful young Estonian man while canyoning in the Red Centre. He was so positive and a delight to be with. Estonia is now on my bucket list of places to visit before....well you know...kick the bucket.

as an Estonian im very glad they are removing these concrete/metals pieces of filth.

Thank you for a wonderful look into my lovely little country. It is indeed part of our culture, to build, restore and innovate, be simple and humble. My nation has been through a lot, the Russian occupation being probably the worst of them all. From my grand-parents memories, as odd as it is, not even the Nazis brief occupation during WW2, was nearly as bad. Apparently the Nazi soldiers treated us with far more dignity during a war, than the Russians did during peace time. And that's why, today, it rings as true as it did then, the words that are ingrained in our common cultural memory - "Never forget". That is also why we support Ukraine 101%, we know what they've been through, we know what they are facing and what they would face, if they were to be occupied again and we'll never agree to such horrors be descended on a free and beautiful culture, like Ukraine is, again!

@takashishin8282

Жыл бұрын

I get your feeling I'm Greek and there's a big population of Greek Ukrainians I relate to now late to now worried about being tortured or murdered by Russian soldiers some of them are still in Russian territory hoping for Ukraine win

@annsanla4605

Жыл бұрын

"Apparently the Nazi soldiers treated us with far more dignity during a war, than the Russians did during peace time", - yes, before they put a "non-Aryan" in the oven or put him on soap, they were very polite, oh, these noble Nazis and evil evil Soviets that freed you from them. This anti-Sovietism, propagandized everywhere, is such nonsense, if you think about it.

By 1819, the Baltic provinces were the first in the Russian empire in which serfdom was abolished, the largely autonomous nobility allowing the peasants to own their own land or move to the cities. These moves created the economic foundation for the coming to life of the local national identity and culture as Estonia was caught in a current of national awakening that began sweeping through Europe in the mid-19th century. Tartu was a multicultural crossroads with strong representation of Russians, Germans and Estonians. Orthodox, Lutherans and Jews, scientists and humanists, all were quite active at the city's university. The students seemed uninterested in the Russification programs introduced in the 1890s.[24]

They were not happy with their soviet experience.

The converted foundary reminds me of Enginuity in Ironbridge, UK. Somewhere I used to visit a lot as a child. Wonderful memories and a big impact in my direction towards engineering

Cheers to the Baltic bros for wiping away your scars left by your oppressors

@yurijgagarin1400

Жыл бұрын

idiot

“That’s why it’s tank.” King!

@rafaelosorio2251

Жыл бұрын

Turn down for what

I'm glad they're putting them in museums.

The real question is why it took them so long?

Remember that the USSR also had a policy of "Russification" and they loved dispersing people and moving Russians to take their place, its their form of colonialism

@lolaqwerty6174

Жыл бұрын

Remember that all bolsheviks were Jews and that Lenin was Jacob Richter in London.

@djriqky9581

Жыл бұрын

@@lolaqwerty6174 the biggest religion in Russia was Orthodox Christianity but ok....

@angelikaskoroszyn8495

Жыл бұрын

@Lola Qwerty Bruh, they were ridiculously antisemitic. Jewish people were running away from bolshevic Russia to Germany because the country was relatively accepting around WWI. Sadly they didn't have the Internet and they didn't know that Nazis started spreading propaganda about how communists are Jews. That's literal Nazi propaganda

It’s understandable I guess. First thing I did after my divorce was to get rid of all the pictures of my former mother-inlaw. 🤷🏼‍♂️

Just to point out that when old statues were removed by people in Britain the media had a field day

The Soviet Union mostly crumbled 30 years ago. But people like Putin soldiered on. Various things changed names. Leningrad became St. Petersburg again. The KGB became the FSB. Moscow's Militsiya (the police) became the Politsiya in 2011. And then the Politsiya installed a ubiquitous AI driven camera system with facial recognition that would have made Stalin blush. Putin's war with Ukraine will hopefully be the final nail in the Soviet Union's coffin. The sooner the better.

The reporter is complitely out of touch with reality, probably has done no research, really listened to what anyone around said or stopped to consider pretty obvious d8screpencies between her ideas and reality. Majority of people in Baltics very obviously don't want anything to do with Russia, why claim deep ties that literaly nobody sees? Repurposed ruins obviously are not the same as propoganda monuments used to glorify Soviet regime. That is not rock replica, it's a real tank, Soviets were cheap and just plopped old military equipment on display.

@Feudorkannabro

Жыл бұрын

Yeah. As a Finn, I was shocked how ignorant the reporter is. Her talk about "deep ties" is so incorrect. Their culture is so different from the Russian culture

"Replica" tank? - it's a gen-u-ine REAL T-34, they didn't need any replicas, they made over 61,000 of them!

They're putting them in museums so they're absolutely still preserving them, it's the right call and as a lover of history. I think it's absolutely the right thing to do, so these fascinating pieces of history can be viewed with the correct context and not used as a shadow of another time.

The basic lack of understanding of history is astonishing in this video. What kind of mental gymnastics do you have to go through to compare Rummu quarry and the Narva occupation memorial. BBC, please.

it's a sign of soviet's tyranny

That tank isnt a replica...

Can someone tell the people in the US that want to keep their Confederate soldier statues about this? Preserving history and glorifying it are two different things. Museum creator: Record even dark history, do not glorify it, but also never forget it.

@andreai1911

Жыл бұрын

@Imaginary Unicorn That sounds like you either didn't read / study the history behind, or you are a naïve kid, who doesn't know what slavery entailed (money, power, status etc.). Also, what kind of comment is this about black not having to stay? I could say "the same thing about white people not having to stay. Russia is a majority white place with plenty racism - you can move there...you don't have to stay in the US." Do you think that's a fair statement?

Does anybody know what song is being used in the first 20 seconds of the vid?

@Motoko86

Жыл бұрын

Looking for the same information, actually

Not a replica tank I don't think. Maybe a restored tank. A museum is a better place for it.

@oliver6002

Жыл бұрын

Yep , its the real tank, even the engine is still there.

@vomm

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It's a real tank. Russians are not only bad at waging war, but also at erecting monuments, so they just put their tanks everywhere as monuments. No other country in the world is so bungling.

@kalle911

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That tank belonged to the reserve units of Leningrad district, it had nothing to do with the war. It was decommissioned in late 1960s. It was filled with concrete some time in 1970s because people climbed inside.

I am Russian and I was increasingly annoyed by military monuments erected over the last years in my home city. It's like time have stopped, present is grim and future doesn't exists. So the only thing government could offer is to regurgitate the same old story and "bask in old glory days" through yet another piece of rock, devoid of any spark of relevance. It's nice to see some places that are breaking free of those shackles of legacy.

@MrSookonn

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How many german soldier graveyards do you have in russia ? Russians destroyed all. Typical russist Vadim, everybody must play by russian rules.

@indieanna4764

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Yes, Putin is very much stuck in the past. Time for old dogs to die.

@bbcnews Check if the journalist narrating the story is not bending it for reuse in Russian channels. There's no "shared" history or nostalgia about soviet occupation in Estonia. The military buildings were built by slave /forced labour and even in 1987 an Estonian would spit on the ground next to you if you'd address them in Russian language. The Estonians have found NEW meaning for buildings of horrific Soviet legacy, and those NEW meanings are ESTONIAN, not "shared past". To say otherwise shows either ignorance or is deliberate.

Does anyone know the music from the beginning of the video?

For the same reason Apartheid-era statues are being removed in South Africa. Why keep a symbol of oppression on display? It's not like Russia did anything positive for its former colonies.

@peterfireflylund

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Perhaps the Bantus should have stayed out? Or behaved (much) better? There were actually very good reasons for Apartheid. It was nothing like the Soviet occupation of East and Central Europe. (Most people don't know that the Europeans were there first, except in the North East where the Bantus arrived a few decades before the whites.)

Gee, I wonder why.

I'm surprised they're still up.

Poland started removing the soviet monuments in 1990, just after gaining independence. Weird that the Baltics waited so long, but good that they are finally removing symbols of their occupation

@fidenemini111

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Lithuania did that too from the very beginning after restoring independence.

Estonia was not part of Sweden back in times? Even the Estonian language is not Russian or Slavic, I believe it's Finno-Ugric language

@doorstopper674

Жыл бұрын

It was actually

@Javlafan

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Yes, for at least a 150 years Estonia was a part of the Swedish Empire. Also ruled by Danes and Germans. Even during the Russian Empire, local Germans were the ruling class here. Almost all of the current Russians were imported during the Soviet occupation to ethnically cleanse the nation.

@travellerstoryteller

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@@Javlafan the Teutonic knights went there to force the locals to embrace Jesus Christ and leave the pagan faith... What mess was made in the name of God

@fidenemini111

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@@travellerstoryteller The God was just a decoy.

STOP labeling us as post-Soviet. It would as weird as to say post-Nazi (Germany) or post-fascist (Italy)!!!

Aw man now i need to go see estonia

As an Estonian I appreciate the thought but this feels like its made by and for 4th graders

Because the world barely accepted that the Soviets helped win WW2, and barely forgot that they caused it with neighbor invasions ...Russia is also the only country besides Japan to still be in WW2, because Russia isnoccupying Japan territory to this do Im sure there sre many reasons, but Russia's leaders have made sure its beleaguered people never had a chance of jooning the rest ofbthe world. My heart goes out to the millions who fled Russian and Chinese Communist rule, and my heart breaks for the millions more who couldnt get their family to safety and faced the great genocides of the past 50 years.