I thank KZread for recommending this

@uptown3636

2 жыл бұрын

You(Tube) are welcome.

@doologydo

Жыл бұрын

Yes

I’ve been down this whole rabbit hole already. Most plugins aren’t completely accurate and a small community of colorists/color scientists and filmmakers are finally having success emulating film enough for 99.9% of people to have an extremely hard time telling the difference. I bought (to help fund the colorist for buying all the film stock and renting an ARRI flex/ ARRI alexa to develop it) what was initially a beta power grade I use and it’s producing amazing results with minimal adjustments needed. The skin tones and blues seem so vibrant and nostalgic.

@ToxicTurtleIsMad

2 жыл бұрын

What is it?

@TexasTabla

2 жыл бұрын

what powergrade?

@athmaid

2 жыл бұрын

They don't seem to mind people mentioning competing products, don't leave us hanging man!

@readytochop2462

2 жыл бұрын

@@athmaid it was a pet project for a colorist, but now it’s called DeMystifyColor. I don’t know if they sell the Powergrade, but contact them, because it’s run by him and if it’s still available, he’ll be your guy. His name is Matthias Stoopman.

@athmaid

2 жыл бұрын

@@readytochop2462 damn that was a quick reply, thanks for the info!

Fully agree! This filmprint emulation at the end of a well designed node tree knocks one out of the shoes. I just recently tried out such a grading for some stills I had taken of my wife with my Nikon D810 - I was blown away by the cinematik look of the stills - as if it where ads for a movie.

This is fire 🔥 I love so much your videos

Thank you guys for the awesome content! I'm starting nos with Da Vinci! Thank you so much 🇧🇷

nice...thanx for sharing this

0:58. But that's literally not true. You would never make release prints to 2383 directly from Kodak Vision3 original negatives. That would mean risking damage to the original negative. Also digital masters in the film days were not the result of a Kodak 2383 print, only theatrical release prints which you physically only see in cinemas were printed to 2383. As 2383 was never made to be scanned and isn't scanned. Traditional process for theatrical print: Original negative > contact printed to Kodak 2242 to make an interpositive > that interpositive is contact printed to Kodak 2242 again to make an internegative > that internegative is contact printed to Kodak 2383 to make a release print. Traditional process for digital master: Original negative > contact printed to Kodak 2242 to make an interpositive > that interpositive is then scanned and graded either after scanning or by color timing the interpositive. Modern process for theatrical print: Original negative > original negative is then scanned and a final grade is made to that scan under a color-accurate 2383 LUT > the digital file of the final scanned in and graded film is then laser printed onto Kodak 2242 to make an internegative > that internegative is then printed onto Kodak 2383 for a release print. Modern process for digital master: Original negative > original negative is then scanned and a final grade is made to that scan.

Great content!

For this process I use "Filmconvert" since 2016 so far and still love it.

@ColoristFoundry

2 жыл бұрын

Filmconvert is pretty neat

@antonpeterson23

2 жыл бұрын

Does Filmconvert include Kodak 2383? Or do you add that after using Filmconvert?

@aybee5908

2 жыл бұрын

@@antonpeterson23 Nope, my version (for Prem and AE) includes: KD 5207 Vis3, KD 5213 Vis3, KD P400 Ptra, KD TMx 100, KD TrX 400. Also several Fuji Films and a Polaroid.

@Moriarty2007

2 жыл бұрын

Red giant Magic Bullet looks, Film.

@aybee5908

2 жыл бұрын

@@Moriarty2007 An applied filmlook is very different to film emulation. This simulates a developed analog film. Grading prozess comes after.

Nice.... thanks KZread for suggestions this channel ❤

Love it 🔥

Amazing video keep up....

If you ever release an audio book I'd buy two!

amazing information

Excellent! Keep these types of videos coming. I think most people really want to get close to the look of film. Even though we can't exactly reproduce digital to look like film we can come close. My goal is to focus 100% on subtractive color as I feel like this is one of the biggest indicators of the film look.

@SamEmilio2

2 жыл бұрын

Subtractive color is a pretty new approach to me. Do you have any resources that are good for learning it? I really love what you have on your channel, and am curious because I use an S1

@stillcinematic3163

2 жыл бұрын

@@SamEmilio2 Thanks for the kind words! MixingLight and Lowepost are great resources for color grading. I would study the HSL, HSV, and LAB color spaces for subtractive color. Also play around with the color spaces in DR. I've been doing that lately and created some unique film looks. If I get enough people on my channel to want a tutorial then I will make one.

@SamEmilio2

2 жыл бұрын

@@stillcinematic3163 love it. A dedicated tutorial for VLog would be killer. Be right back with my bot accounts to request it enough times haha

@stillcinematic3163

2 жыл бұрын

@@SamEmilio2 haha I will make one soon. Is there a particular video you want to tutorial on?

@joyoffilming9500

2 жыл бұрын

@@SamEmilio2 Hi Emilio, there is avery good colorist channel but unfortunately in German language only: the name is 'Farbkanal'. From this channel I learned the most by far - and I am now grading this famous Kodak look for my S1H and my iPhone 12 Pro Max - it looks awesome - watch out for my recent footage just shot today ad river Rhine with a dramatic sky in the background. There is only one big caveat when applying this massive types of subtractive color grading, e.g. using HSL nodes: You will quickly come to the point when your colors break. Even the best 400Mbit/sec V-Log from my Lumix S1H breaks apart when only one grading attenuator is set a little too high or low. All the guys with 12Bit raw are the locky ones for this type of grading (BM Pocket, Komodo, etc.)

3:54 Thank you Bandicam! 😂😂😂

Does this Lut work good with BMPC6k with an 18-35 sigma 1.8 ?

This is bombastic

Amazing

what background music was you using

I emulated this in camera at film school using a JVC-hd shooting under florecent and white balancing using pink NCR paper. I’m mad! But everyone loved the look. It wasn’t my film tho and so… I’ve no examples of this.

what song is that?

What song did you use?

how can we purchase these LUTS. ?

I always use 2383 in resolve

needs to be a super lut

What is your KZread video bit rate??

Tq guys

It's an orange and teal lut, and it has none of the subtlety of the kodak film stock it's emulating.

That voice... It makes me feel compelled to sign up, activate notifications an click like... I should put voice in my videos too...

yup ! in that ORDER!

Song???

The presentation and video is great, but whoever edited the audio needs to look into using a De-esser. My poor ears.

Any plans for Final Cut Pro compatibility?

@ColoristFoundry

2 жыл бұрын

Yea. Coming soon :)

If I used these luts for digital footage. Would it look more like film or would the color space be wrong?

@ColoristFoundry

2 жыл бұрын

If you’re talking about the inbuilt LUT in Davinci, it is made to accept film files but surely it can be used as a creative choice for getting film-like Colors. Just add a Color transform node before the LUT node. In the Color transform node change the output Gamma to “Cineon Film Log”. “Cineon film log” because the LUT Expects the the Cineon Film Log gamma input.

@RubenStuveling

2 жыл бұрын

@@ColoristFoundry what about colour space? Would you recommend rec709 for the in built film luts?

@rainzhao2000

Жыл бұрын

@@RubenStuveling if your source footage is already in a log colorspace like Arri Wide Gamut, or SGamut3, then I suggest leaving the color the same as your timeline because they already roughly approximate scanned film. Depending on the camera manufacturer, you may want to increase saturation/tweak the colors from there.

Proud to be assistant of colorist.. Who was a lab colorist before coming to di

Love the video but next time please use a DeEsser on your voice, The sibilance was a bit much.

@2:00 He said "Dentity". a hidden code perhaps?

Hey can these luts work on Final Cut Pro ?!

@celestial_78

2 жыл бұрын

no

すごい映像ですね！ 良い色味です‼️

Print film?

Great

Little point. It has always been a craetive tool too !

🔥🔥🔥🔥

the bandicam pop up >

welcome back :)

@ColoristFoundry

2 жыл бұрын

:)

People expect Davinci Resolve to do post production miracles (and it is amazing) but film well in the first place and the grading will be easier. Do you use ND's, Pro Mist filters a Mattebox it all helps. There's no substitute for good quality footage prior to grading to help get the prized Cinelook.

@ColoristFoundry

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed.

@Leprutz

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly- This is why we hire cinematographers that know what they are doing or that know how to achieve a certain look.

@grantsutton8727

2 жыл бұрын

@@Leprutz exactly. I remember my early days shooting 16mm, it cost $200 for three minutes of film that took weeks to be processed so you tried your absolute best to have everything perfect. Essentially you had one or two chances to get the right footage right. Nowadays people moan about when they have to manually focus, screw on filters, change lenses, white balance and don't know what a colour chart even is ....the list goes on. Run and gun filming doesn't easily lend itself to cinematic filming but its created or become the great excuse for poor and lazy trade craft. A poor tradesmen always blames his tools or lack of them. The convenience of digital filming and editing has freed so much more time to put into getting things right but its seemed to increased the slap happy approach instead. "Point and shoot" is still a fantasy the majority of the time.

@Leprutz

2 жыл бұрын

@@grantsutton8727 exactly. I am by no means a great cinematographer but I am from the old school still and say if I can achieve it in front of the camera then I will do my best to do so instead of doing it in post. I just uploaded today my second music video where we have shot during night with a canon m50. I hate it when people tell me what gear to use to achieve better look. I always answer: first learn the craftsmanship with whatever gear you have before you go on and buy the best camera. Cause even the best camera won't help you if you don't work your ass off. I also try to focus everything manually. I have no idea of color charts and such but I do always a white balance which even by todays standards seems to be non existent amongst many filmmakers. I just want to learn by doing and I even want to challenge myself further by using sd cards of low storage capacity if there are any.... Sort of like trying to get the right footage right from the get go.

@grantsutton8727

2 жыл бұрын

@@Leprutz Good on you. I once saw three top Hollywood Directors (and I mean Academy Award big names) do a challenge for the benefit of a filmschool where they had same set could do what ever they liked with lighting etc ...one used a cellphone, one an average DSLR and one a domestic video camera. All their final work was amazing. Film is about how the image makes someone feel just like painting and music. As one DP said "you can switch of the sound of my movie and still know the story".

I will stick to the world leading plugin for 2383 stock look... That is DEHANCER PRO 5 🙃 no one can compete them in these times. Nor in future i guess. Every serious colorist will agree with me. And luts are for beginners 🤔

@ColoristFoundry

2 жыл бұрын

Yayy!

@MartiSmz

2 жыл бұрын

A LUT is a format that can contain (almost) whatever you put in there. Most pro colorists do use LUTs, some prefer not to, it's just a matter of choice as long as you understand how they work. I'm quite sure that dehancer does work with LUTs internally (spatial caracteristics aside). I personally prefer Filmbox, but I'd still rather build my own LUTs.

@warfaceindiablackburnfire330

2 жыл бұрын

@@MartiSmz agreed. but you cannot argue with dehancer pro 5 results. no luts or tech can match them currently, even a single bit. inside Dehancer they get ‘clean’ profiles of the original negative films, correctly interpreted, without the influence of photographic paper. This means that it becomes possible to ‘print’ these films on any other print medium, in particular, on Kodak Vision Color Print Film 2383. there mathematical model are even more precise. no lut can compete that and their algorithms for filmic grain.. gosh. out of this world. reason why its so gpu extensive that i had to upgrade from 3070 ti to 3090. truth hurts, luts are far behind now. and every project needs different kind of approach, where luts fails but dehancer dont.

@MartiSmz

2 жыл бұрын

@@warfaceindiablackburnfire330 That's why film emulation LUTs were first created for, and what great color scientists have been doing for ages. In order to capture the empirical data to match the neg and print colorimetry you need a 3D LUT, even if it's hidden inside a plugin. Of course the spatial atributes can't be translated into a LUT, but even in that aspect there are better (and far mor expensive) options, such as Livegrain. Steve Yedlin's match to film looks more precise to me, and he does use a LUT. I'm not saying Dehancer is bad or that all LUTs are better, I just don't believe it's something magic, and I've seen other approaches with better results.

@allenpayne9182

2 жыл бұрын

What you wrote makes no sense. 1. If you are selecting a KODAK 2383 "profile" in Dehancer it is pretty much the same as applying a LUT to your image. 2. Applying a LUT are not for beginners. "hustlers" and other movies are using the Kodak 2383 LUT by DaVinci Resolve. So "Hollywood Colorists" are using the LUT by DaVinci. But applying a LUT doesn´t mean you don't have to grade underneath the LUT. A LUT is just a tool. Nothing wrong using LUTs

Bandicam

You make the buying process to confusing for me to find out how to buy it 3 different prices they do this and that I just want the Lut when you make it hard to buy no one will buy

@TeipelFilms

2 жыл бұрын

It`s not a LUT it is a Power Grade..

MORE!!!! PLEASE!!! Keep going! THX

the power grade just looks teal and orange lmao

@ColoristFoundry

2 жыл бұрын

And so did most of the cinema we consumed in past couple of decades. Lol.

Teal and Orange grading

@ColoristFoundry

2 жыл бұрын

Of course. No science here✌️

2 жыл бұрын

@@ColoristFoundry The science of selling something that anyone can get for free.

@ColoristFoundry

2 жыл бұрын

@ lol. Goodluck with your free CiNeMaTic Sam Kolder LUT

2 жыл бұрын

@@ColoristFoundry I see... ur using LUTs and presets, oh, ok. Pretty sure you also use the word cinematic a lot. lol

Maybe i wrong.... But this emulated colors look like JJ Abrams Super 8 movie or Christopher Nolans movies. I mean look like digital color palette. Look at blue color that look like dark turquoise. For me it nothin like even 90s movies. It look modern and digital.

It's been bothering me for a while now, but if they've literally made plug-ins for Davinci Resolve, Adobe, and Avid, why don't movies that were shot digitally use said plug-ins? I mean, I get maybe not having the budget for shooting on actual film, but at the very least, they could make it LOOK like film with these plug-ins.

@ColoristFoundry

2 жыл бұрын

Digital looks in themselves are evolving as well, I think with such an overly wide definition of the term "cinematic" big color and post studios mostly try to mix it with modern looks and only take certain qualities of film. There are surely plugins out there, but nothing like experimenting and making your unique recipes for a specific project.

@normanlemarie9991

2 жыл бұрын

Camera stops.

@hunterb7549

2 жыл бұрын

they do, just probably not with these specific plug-ins. Professional colorists have lots of ways they convert digital into more filmic color spaces, sometimes even reprinting the digital on film. They will set up a specific process for each film so using plugins can be a little too 1 use fits all, they will make their own lut/process just for the project.

And why "before" looks better then "after"? Seriously... look at girl 2:30 Processed shots look dirty, with blacks to dawn. Maybe its just me.

@ColoristFoundry

2 жыл бұрын

No one said that it looks better tbh. Colourists have been aiming to get film-like qualities, film like split tone, the saturated highs and desaturated lows. That’s what this video is about.

Wow, that lut is amazing! It's managing to completely destroy otherwise good looking picture. I mean, just pause at 4:48, using a calibrated monitor, or even to the naked eye, I don't think it's possibly mistakable for quality. It's absolutely disgusting, and even your counter examples of "bad davinci resolve default luts" are way better.

@ColoristFoundry

2 жыл бұрын

What's your email? Let me share a free copy of Volume 2, something we released after peer feedback. Maybe a read-on film forever page before typing out a comment wouldn't hurt? And about calibration, are you sure you are not using a factory-calibrated screen? A lot of those have tendencies to misrepresent reds. There's an application and use case for Film Emulations. We've created a dozen of content around that. The sort of enlightenment you are looking for cannot be compressed into reel-sized videos. Anyway, let's discuss color after you test out FilmForever. Reach us at support@coloristfactory.com

@ParanormalBanana

2 жыл бұрын

@@ColoristFoundry I'm actually a professional colorist, so, yeah, I'm properly calibrating my own monitor. I do understand that there is a use case for film emulation, and I even use it myself in some occasions. I'm just saying that you cannot possibly be a colorist AND pretend to consider that screenshot from 4:48 to be a clean film emulation. it's heavily graded to a fault. I mean, I get it, this video isn't targeted to me, it's targeted to beginners. But I find it either ignorant or dishonest.. You're making this huge case for your presets based on feelings, but where are your honest comparisons? I would absolutely not be making these comments if you were just like "hey, we make nice "film look" luts, we're very proud, come grab them at a discount" but instead you're selling this professional emulation.

@burningmopedattheroadside1998

2 жыл бұрын

Completely agree, that looks... I see what it is going for, but... I'm a nice person so I'll say that if that was the prime example for the marketing pitch then the product...

You can't really "emulate" film with one lut, it's not that easy

@ColoristFoundry

2 жыл бұрын

Glad someone spoke about the truth. Considering this video isn’t about the process of film emulation. At all. Lol.

@FloatingOnAZephyr

2 жыл бұрын

@@ColoristFoundry Snark isn't a good look to your customers. The product is literally called Film Emulation Power Grades (4:05). "There is a tonne of content we plan on pushing out around our 2022 film emulation launch." (4:30) "…as well as mathematically exact choices of film emulation." (4:58). If that's not about film emulation, then it's pretty confusing marketing.

@ColoristFoundry

2 жыл бұрын

lol. We haven't released a single video yet on how our power grades work or even a basic power grade pipeline to begin with. This video was more about 2383’s journey from a reference to a creative choice. Do you think this video is trying to emulate film “Exactly” like “film”. The comment above blames the inbuilt LUT for not performing its job well. It’s not supposed to show you how the film will look when it's printed back in 2383. And trying to get the analog “look” is like trying to hit a moving target. Give me a break. We can spare some know-how about color grading but don't expect us to coach you on common sense.

@FloatingOnAZephyr

2 жыл бұрын

@@ColoristFoundry One thing is for sure, you need some coaching on customer relations.

@FloatingOnAZephyr

2 жыл бұрын

@I Am JTEK That's not how a professional company talks to its customers. Simple as that. Ego has nothing to do with it, at least on my end.

Топ

Reported for clickbait.

Everyone who say they can build the Kodak 2383 LUT as a PowerGrade lies. It cannot be done with the "2d grading tools" inside DaVinci Resolve. You can get close, but the grade will break easily. It is better to use a LUT if you want the Kodak 2383 LUT, or learn some technics how to work with those LUTs properly, so you can mix it with a standard rec709 output.

@allenpayne9182

2 жыл бұрын

@@cicolas_nage Not an exaggeration at all. i think Juan Melara did one of the best Kodak 2383 PowerGrades... I think you can download it for free. Just grab it and use Test Images that are designed to test LUTs. And push the contrast a bit higher... and compare that PowerGrade to a LUT. I´ve also seen people creating Matrix and/or negative Film Stock as a PowerGrade. If you enable certain chains in the NodeTree you will get artefacts. It is simple not possible to recreate Film Stock or Film Print with the tools inside Resolve. You cannot get close. But I recommend everyone to test it, and also try to recreate a LUT, because if you do you will learn how far you can push the tools.

@allenpayne9182

2 жыл бұрын

@@cicolas_nage That's a bold statement. I believe it when I see it :)

Just shoot film, you cowards 😑

@ColoristFoundry

2 жыл бұрын

Sure. Lol😂

The only way you can achieve film look its shooting on film🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️

@ColoristFoundry

2 жыл бұрын

And yet here we are in 2022 with most colorists experimenting with the film like palettes. You can keep the film. But you can’t stop colorists from going past the “film look” and evolving their means to a better “look”

@prodbyLOTI

2 жыл бұрын

How does it feel to be wrong?

@jaynazario88

2 жыл бұрын

@@prodbyLOTI i dont know, you tell me

@grantsutton8727

2 жыл бұрын

Yep you can't beat film but you have to have millions to use it.

It looks 1000% better than most LUTs

For this process I use "Filmconvert" since 2016 so far and still love it.