As a support technician this is actually a big help for me. I get a lot of customer that ask me, "Why is the screen blue?". Now I can take a deep breath and proceed to tell them a 30 minute story. I'm sure they'll love that....

@MrMattumbo

3 жыл бұрын

If you tell them a boring story every time they have a problem maybe they'll stop calling you to fix stupid/simple problems...

@langer24106

3 жыл бұрын

Just fix my computer!!

@langer24106

3 жыл бұрын

@Gea Sih they’re much less common, but still happen

@DerStoeppel

3 жыл бұрын

yeah, thats very true!! real customers love real information!!!!

@MarkJeanmougin

3 жыл бұрын

Sounds like @HeftyJo bills by the hour! 😂

"You can boot, code, and crash, all in the same color scheme!" Shame this was never used as a marketing blurb, it's great.

@akulkis

Жыл бұрын

Well, accurate at least.

@Brahvim

Жыл бұрын

I made a personal clip out of it, _hah!_

@cferracini

11 ай бұрын

That was truly great

@JamesOfKS

10 ай бұрын

no one was marketing the MIPS risc box with slick edit to a windows user i am guessing.

@glennso47

7 ай бұрын

Just like Biden who told the coal miners that when they lose their jobs they can learn to boot, code and crash. Or something like. 🤷‍♂️that.

I recall with Windows 95 seeing the "This program has performed an illegal operation and will be shut down" message every so often. I especially recall a funny story of my aunt seeing that message and worried that the police were coming.

@nematolvajkergetok5104

7 ай бұрын

Your aunt was precisely the target audience for Microsoft products.

@user-bh6ey1ke4n

6 ай бұрын

Aunt... I remember a guy on _software_conference_ asking a guy from Microsoft: - Why do you send my texts to other people? - ??? - When I close MS Word it says: "Your Clipboard is not empty. Contents of the clipboard could be available to the other programs". Why do you send my texts to other people?

@nematolvajkergetok5104

6 ай бұрын

@@user-bh6ey1ke4n The Internet stores data on crystals. Everybody knows that.

@jemagif78

6 ай бұрын

lol

@BeyondAldebaran

5 ай бұрын

I remember being a kid sneaking on my dad’s computer, seeing this once, and thinking “oh shit oh shit oh shit”

Damn. I used to be thoroughly amused how unplugging my USB headset adapter used to sometimes BSOD my work laptop, blaming Windows for letting an audio driver kill the system - and while I came here to learn 'why blue', I learned that this scenario is actually very reasonable and even desirable to prevent damage. Well played.

@keithws2779

8 ай бұрын

I don't understand what happened, all I know is that it was related to audio somehow. Basically, I unplugged a speaker from my PC (and it had no other audio output device connected) and it totally screwed my machine. Internet connectivity was completely gone. All "restore Windows" options wouldn't work. I downloaded an install disc image at work to put onto a USB stick, but... Our computers at work won't allow us to copy stuff to USB. So I had to burn it to a CD and use an external DVD drive. But then there was some issue that I can't remember the details of - but it wouldn't read the disc. It took me a solid week to fix. (And it's really bugging me that I can't remember the last problem/solution) But now I make sure that there's ALWAYS some headphones plugged into my computer so that it'll have at least one audio output device.

@keithws2779

8 ай бұрын

Also, I forgot to mention - I never got a blue screen. Just sudden "nothing works".

"You can boot, code and crash all in the same color scheme".

@DemetryRomanowski

3 жыл бұрын

Sounds like a typical PC experience.

@noelj62

3 жыл бұрын

No panic

@emielkooij1698

3 жыл бұрын

@@noelj62 only Kernel Panic ;)

@geoffstrickler

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, but I’ll pass on that. Prefer serious crashes like kernel panic have a distinctive appearance. Of course I prefer that they don’t happen, but when they do, I want it to be obvious, and NOT FLASHING.

@j777

3 жыл бұрын

Sounds like he just didn't want his boss to see how many times he was crashing the pc in a day

Dave, you’re a good storyteller.

@DavesGarage

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Trying to get a little better each time...

@sbrunner69

3 жыл бұрын

Dave your are not really a good story teller. You are a fantastic story teller! So many topics I’ve always wondered about. Please tell us the history of ctl-alt-del. I saw something about how ms regretted it. Please tell that story please.

@ketankansara3184

3 жыл бұрын

Genuinely enjoyed it! Brilliant work!

@tiqo8549

3 жыл бұрын

@@DavesGarage How can you try to be better when you're already the best? Keep it like this..we all like this very, very much!

@JanBabiuchHall

3 жыл бұрын

@@DavesGarage I'm loving the writing style. I think your reading will naturally get better with time. Right now it seems like you're very tense and focused on not making a mistake in reading the prompter.

If you remember when BSOD’s didn’t have a sad face on it, then my friend you deserve a medal for using Windows 7 or older.

Got to 11:15 (wrong John Vert) & just about shit myself laughing. Can we all just take a moment to appreciate this mans comedic genius as well as his brilliant technical mind? Thank you Dave. Deep dives & peeks behind the curtain can be incredibly dry at times but you have such an amazing capacity for storytelling that you somehow keep everything digestible. You're a gem.

@lastyhopper2792

11 ай бұрын

Why did you put the spoiler right next to the time stamp 😂

@sublimeade

11 ай бұрын

Wasnt comedic genius. Just a funny line

@ImpetuouslyInsane

7 ай бұрын

The thing that made this story unrealistic? The fact that Dave used a phone book. 😂

@JohnBayko

Ай бұрын

Irony: “Vert” means “green” in French.

Blue Screen = Seizure Green Screen = Hard Drive Failure Red Screen = OS Death Purple Screen = VM Death Black Screen = No Power

@Arranus

3 жыл бұрын

i had a blackscreen before 😥

@warrax111

3 жыл бұрын

Red Screen = Wanna Cry?

@boboften9952

3 жыл бұрын

Fly Screen Doesn't Prevent A Crash Either .

@warrax111

3 жыл бұрын

Black Screen with no beeps = Damn you, PCChips!

@JohnDavidDunlap

3 жыл бұрын

I once had a dual monitor setup with green on one screen and purple on the other.

When Windows installers where simply white text on blue, I used to joke about it: It begins with a blue screen and it ends with a blue screen.

@lkv0315

3 жыл бұрын

the circle of life. it's all blue. thats a meme in itself... "Its all... blue?" "Always has been"

@jmtrad1906

3 жыл бұрын

You can continue the joke because the background of Windows installation is still blue 😆

@BoraHorzaGobuchul

2 жыл бұрын

@@BrainSlugs83 There was also stuff like Multiedit, Turbo Pascal, Ms basic, clarion... White on blue was kinda mainstream back then.

@someoneelse5005

2 жыл бұрын

I wanted to like this comment but the number of likes is 384 so I won't :)

@robsku1

2 жыл бұрын

@@BoraHorzaGobuchul Oh yeah... Come to think of it, I distinctly recall the Text-UI of Red Hat 7.1 Linux installer having white, or lightgray on blue as well. I changed the color theme on QBasic/EDIT though.

Yeah, a “small bug” in the kernel could potentially destroy the entire computer and make it unrecoverable depending on where it happened

@vladislav_sidorenko

11 ай бұрын

At least it's not lp0 on fire

@TheFallensChannel

9 ай бұрын

Small bug? Nah I’m in the repair menu on my pc (alt pc) and I can’t even reset windows does anyone have an idea how to get my windows back

@smokedice

9 ай бұрын

@@TheFallensChannel what happened? You might need to install a recovery image on a usb and use that

@TheFallensChannel

9 ай бұрын

@@smokedice doesn’t work

@seansingh4421

9 ай бұрын

⁠​⁠@@bappo218if you haven’t been up to date, unless you have a system restore image or a backup image that’s where you have to use a data recovery tool because the OS has shat itself beyond repair

wow, Dave really is good at bedtime storytelling

“past end of life support” *XP Shutdown sound* P e r f e ct

@DavesGarage

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you liked that one :-)

@LRM12o8

3 жыл бұрын

The startup and shutdown sounds of XP are just so perfect, warm and calming. (Whereas any other system sounds from XP and all later Windows versions just annoy me)

@wishusknight3009

3 жыл бұрын

My son built a relay switch with an arduino that is hooked to a small speaker that plays those sounds whenever it turns power on or off. It was a real riot when we had my old Commodore 64 plugged into it.

@ahmetmutlu348

3 жыл бұрын

past support. so you mean fukushima was goint to be okay if there was win10 :P fukushima is bad engineering. with bad windows. they needed lots more complex security systems rather then windows xp. :P

@wishusknight3009

3 жыл бұрын

@@ahmetmutlu348 It is a lesson for all the ages of what happens when you don't run windows update.

In the late 90s I was doing a power point presentation at university to a bunch of my programming students. Running 95 or 98. I had inserted a slide that was the image of the blue screen. They all laughed at my crash displaying on the projector. I then advanced to the next screen to their amazement. Tricked even the smartest students.

@booombasa

2 жыл бұрын

@Hamad Asghar We just put an errect dick-pic in our classmates engineering oral presentation. Teachers laughed it off. The student was fucking FURIOUS. This was over 10 years ago. We never dared to tell him it was us. If i did, even today, he would probably slap me. :) He passed btw. With good grades too.

@brunch.

2 жыл бұрын

@@booombasa lol wtf 😂

@compu85

2 жыл бұрын

I once installed a BSOD screen saver on my professors presentation machine. I came back the next day to see if it had been removed, and on the desk were pages of notes where he'd been researching the "stop error". I felt horrible!

@szponiasty

2 жыл бұрын

and my second choice, even over windows 7, is windows 2000. i've used it for gaming, programming, working, serving my old homepage with IIS then with apache... actually maybe windows NT 5 (2000) was the best Windows Ever.

@CoolModderJaydonX

2 жыл бұрын

@@booombasa I thought that would be the other way around.

White text on a blue screen was a fairly popular color scheme back in the day. I remember Word Perfect for DOS used it, and a couple other applications, so I guess it always made intuitive sense to me that the blue screen of death was the same way.

Taking me back in time Dave 😏 We called it, "Blue Screen of Death" long before the internet existed. As far as printer, or any other peripheral installs, the manufacturers created their setup program to be installed before the printer was allowed to be plugged in so that Windows would not take over with Microsoft drivers. Thanks for sharing your stories. You make them fun to listen to Dave.

@JehuMcSpooran

11 ай бұрын

They were still making you do that up until recently. I remember that if you plugged a printer in and windows installed the driver, it never worked. If you installed the drivers from the CD or floppies after, it would still not work. You would have to unplug the printer, uninstall the printer driver and software, reboot the system and then reinstall the software from the disk and plug the printer back in when it told you to. It caught me out a few times when I was in a rush.

13:01 - Now comes the question we all need the answer too: Why was the MIPS RISC box firmware screen blue?

@Rudxain

2 жыл бұрын

Because Big Bang

@lynthir6323

2 жыл бұрын

@@Rudxain Why is Big Bang Blue?

@Rudxain

2 жыл бұрын

@@lynthir6323 42 lol XD

@digicat0719

2 жыл бұрын

blue pretty

@osinternals

10 ай бұрын

Because the developers of it said so

Actually, the use of a blue screen predates computer era, back to the TV broadcast era. (I was there). It was standard practice to display all blue screen to indicate a faulty video feed. Every colour screen (then) was a cathode ray tube. Every tube had 3 “guns” streaming electrons beams through a vacuum to strike the screen array of pixels, made up of red, blue and green glowing material. It was arranged that a loss of the incoming video drive signal to the CRT would turn on only the “blue gun”. This alerted instantly “the humans”, that the video feed to that screen had failed. Just image the frenzy in the video control room at a broadcasting station when all 12 display monitors turn blue during a live show... There was no Googling for help info in those days!

@VraccasVII

3 жыл бұрын

Very interesting, thank you for this history lesson

@mancerrss

3 жыл бұрын

So what would be the standard procedure or solution back then if that happened on a control room in a live broadcast?

@Dream.of.Endless

3 жыл бұрын

@@mancerrss Turn Off and On again

@paulstubbs7678

3 жыл бұрын

@@mancerrss seek a new career NOW

@robertkopp873

3 жыл бұрын

@@mancerrss Absolute panic. Producers shout obscene instructions down the line. Cut to commercial break then, Techs scurrying franticly. If hardware, quick hot swap to an a running spare. If a telco service problem, patch panel to a spare feed. If none of above, drown in whisky.

As a CS major with a passion for programming and computers, this channel is a gold mine!

Bill really handled that BSOD pretty well. Considering the insane amount of hardware and driver combinations there are these days it's amazing how stable Windows is.

@mqb3gofjzkko7nzx38

9 ай бұрын

@@ts757arse What doesn't Linux work with?

@JollyGiant19

9 ай бұрын

@@mqb3gofjzkko7nzx38Less and less thanks to hardware manufacturer consolidation but back in the days of the pc hardware wild west a lot of drivers would never be added to the kernel due to the GPL requirements (that’s why Nvidia still has a “proprietary” driver as an offering) or they just wouldn’t at all. Nowadays it’s mostly business software that has specialty hardware or anything phones (it’s really bad there, just like the old days of pc hardware).

@Oweblow

8 ай бұрын

“It’s amazing how stable Windows is” Windows 11: crashes 4 times a day.

@richard-davies

8 ай бұрын

@@OweblowNo issues here, been running Windows 11 since it launched and I haven't had one BSOD yet, it's been a rock solid OS for me same as 10 was.

@obinator9065

8 ай бұрын

@@Oweblowsimply not true, unless you're overclocking or something

Long time no see stranger, I doubt you remember me since we didn't overlap much. I worked in the 3549 super lab in Building 26 and moved down the hallway to an office for 15 years 2000-2015. I believe I filed a few bugs against Task Manager (not sure if it was while you were there) as (jrberg). Nice to see other Microsofties putting down roots on KZread 👍

@DavesGarage

3 жыл бұрын

Not Repro! By Design! :-) Sounds like we overlapped by about 3 years! Very cool to have you aboard as a subscriber! If you have any non-earthquake footage or even photos of NT test labs, stress labs, or build labs, I don't have any, and it would be very useful in some of my videos. Please let me know if you do have anything to share by chance. Cheers! And tell a friend ;-)

@devapramana4665

3 жыл бұрын

WOAH BARNACULES !

@1blisslife

3 жыл бұрын

Wowsers! Two KZreadrs I like :)

@neobow1

3 жыл бұрын

Wholesome moment

@fireballninja01

3 жыл бұрын

you're not the minnesotan jeremy berg right? sorry

Surprised he didn't mention the fact that, on Insider Program builds of Win10, STOP errors use a _green_ screen as a way to remind/differentiate that this is a preview build.

@n646n

2 жыл бұрын

The guy's last name *did* mean green after all.

@NazmusLabs

11 ай бұрын

he does right in the beginning

2:40 Murphy's law at its best. I love your sense of humor. I'm sure I've said that before, but it's still very true. Thanks for all the stories.

bruv, keep telling me random stuff I never asked and now realize I need to know. I didn't need to know why blue until you bloody asked... so keep on trucking, man. I'm along for this ride 100%

This reminds me of the old BSOD screen saver.. That was fun.. Several times we had people that didn't know it was a screen saver, and would inevitably reboot a production machine that was working perfectly fine just because it was showing a blue screen!

@L-in-oleum

3 жыл бұрын

That was actually made by Mark Russinovich too!

@SteveJones172pilot

3 жыл бұрын

@@L-in-oleum Yeah.. I should have remembered that. Mark and all his tools are awesome. Got to see him speak in Vegas at a conference many years ago and his presentation was great..

@bodgemaster7946

3 жыл бұрын

I have that screen saver on my server. lol

@victornpb

3 жыл бұрын

I installed that screensaver on a few computers at university, and ppl kept rebooting the computers until it started giving actual real BSOD :') oops

@matoatlantis

3 жыл бұрын

Hehe, I remember that too. The running prank in the office we had for some time was to do a screen capture of an unlocked computer, hide the icons and make the capture wallpaper. Nobody did this on servers as they were accessed remotely but for sure it was fun on desktops.

Love how microsoft calls them Program Managers. Are their higher ups MS-DOS Executives?

@DavesGarage

3 жыл бұрын

Ha... no, but the really old ones are called File Managers!

@tedjohansen1634

3 жыл бұрын

@@DavesGarage HAHAHAHAHAHAH

@LangleyNA

3 жыл бұрын

The youngin's be the explorers.

@SulemanAsghargoion

3 жыл бұрын

The task managers

@lvrboi92

3 жыл бұрын

@@DavesGarage Thanks for nearly making spit out my coffee! Side note: This is the first video I've watched of yours. I really enjoyed the pacing and delivery style, but subbed due to the flourishing touches and amount of research collected. P.S. Keep up the great job, you're only sure to improve, as time goes on. P.P.S Already set a calendar notification for your live stream (Feb 28)

Dave, you made such a mundane subject a LOT more interesting than I would have expected. Thank you for taking the time to make these videos, you held my attention the entire time and made this IT guy laugh!

The Friendly Giant!!!! I was not expecting this video to end with the ending of one of my favorite childhood shows! Just need Rusty and Jerome to complete the trio.

Imagine three decades ago how useful this type of clear info would be for what's seen by most as a user annoyance. Instead of smashing keyboards we'd be saying silent prayers to developers for saving the system and our security.

@DavesGarage

3 жыл бұрын

Well, to be fair, someone still had a bug! It should never crash, and if it does, to me that's a bug. Just a question of whose! So smash those keyboards, but remember - it's probably a driver issue :-)

@eDoc2020

3 жыл бұрын

"A problem has been detected and Windows has been shut down to prevent damage to your computer" probably wasn't the best thing to say. I'm sure many people thought their hardware actually was in danger.

@JB-fh1bb

3 жыл бұрын

As someone who got in to computers just as windows was maturing, I can confidently say that it *was* useful. I may not have prayed to the devs, but I certainly respected them and learned a little bit more about the inner workings every time the system had a problem.

@perwestermark8920

3 жыл бұрын

@@DavesGarage Need not be a bug. Same thing happens if there is a hardware issue. Like a memory issue or if someone is overclocking past what is safe. The two main reasons are bad drivers (and Windows have had a bit complex driver model compared to at least Linux) and unstable hardware (temperature, timing, voltage stability mainly)

@perwestermark8920

3 жыл бұрын

@@eDoc2020 Some CRT could be destroyed by wrong timing signals. But the main issue is that a memory corruption could garble the file system data, causing permanent information loss of a way greater scale than the last hours of work.

As a Microsoft engineer, I find your stories fascinating! I recognize a lot of the names of people you talk about, but had no idea what they did in they worked in the early days of the company.

@kcvinu

11 ай бұрын

Hey, do you know who is responsible for the dull colors in Windows from Win 10 on. The default window title color is white.

@FPSzky

11 ай бұрын

@@kcvinu people. people are responsible for the dull colors and flat design on newer windows OS's, the guys at microsoft are just following a trend so it looks good for the majority of people (the same way back in 2009 the Frutiger Aero design was trending)

@kcvinu

11 ай бұрын

@@FPSzky Oh I love the Aero glass windows.

@scotts918

10 ай бұрын

This dude is living legacy

9 ай бұрын

@@FPSzky "looks good for designers -the majority of people- " FTFY

WOW, you blew me away at the end of this video post with your reference to the show "The Friendly Giant." oh and your video post was very informative for this old Mac tech support guy. thanks Dave.

This is such a valuable channel. Please don't stop, Dave!

He tipped his head back and cackled at me in a way only someone truly mad could do, and as he raised a bony finger to point at the sky, that's when I realized that the sky was indeed... also blue. - Thank you very much for watching, see you next time! - A lazier Dave.

OS/2 crashes red Windows in blue I liked this vid And so did you

@mrrandomperson3106

3 жыл бұрын

TiVo crashes green VMware crashes purple ...ah poo...

@uwu-zl6tq

3 жыл бұрын

@@mrrandomperson3106 ok

@georgecopeland5426

3 жыл бұрын

Crashing in red Might seem a great sight Unfortunately for you Red is a fright

@board7374

3 жыл бұрын

I am having a fucking stroke reading this

@jackgerberuae

3 жыл бұрын

@@board7374 what you stroking....👀

I keep seeing this meme flying around about "the Bob Ross of IT" and I keep wondering why nobody is talking about how you're basically that. Awesome show, man.

I think that white text - and graphics - on a blue background has a very long history indeed. One can convert a white document with black markings to a blue background with white markings using “cyanotype” processing chemistry. Engineering “blue prints” are one well known example. Another is the creation of slide presentations from paper documents using a special 35mm film - a procedure in common use in business and education establishments up until the 1980s. Such images have been shown to be particularly easy to read. I had always assumed that the early computer engineers would have been familiar with these methods and just borrowed the idea.

" Impress your friends with a red screen of death "

These scripts are perfect. Supremely entertaining and full of informative momentum.

@DavesGarage

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Glad you're enjoying them!

@TravisTerrell

3 жыл бұрын

Indeed, very thankful! It's really important for this "ancient" history to be archived, and the stories are fascinating!

@Chris-hx3om

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, they are, but it's such a pity the narrator can't deliver them without mumbling them. If the diction was better, I'm sure he'd have far more subscribers...

@Ratkill

3 жыл бұрын

@@Chris-hx3om That might be your speakers or headphones. Generic consumer audio (apple pods, anything that has "super bass") usually has pretty muddy low end response. I have no clarity issues with my DAC/ Studio IEMS, or my smaller 2 way desktop TA2020 system.

@Chris-hx3om

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ratkill I was listening though a Bose noise cancelling headset, and I have no problem with other channels. The guy mumbles, that's the bottom line. I have to concentrate to understand what he was saying. I don't have to do that on any other channel I subscribe to...

This topic had no right to a video this immersive, good job, Dave.

Just found Dave's Garage. This channel severely rocks

Friendly Giant reference hit me right in the childhood memories. Thanks!

@hm-bh9ni

2 жыл бұрын

Me to! Were is Rusty and Jerome? Rusty played the flute

That FORZA story is the modern age retelling of the saying "you often meet your fate on the road you take to avoid it." Could have been avoided with a reboot.

@igorthelight

3 жыл бұрын

This problem could be avoided by rebooting... Or less testing! The irony :-)

I have been asking this question for decades. Not only has no one known the answer, in many cases the engineers had never thought about it at all, just accepting it to be the case, but not thinking that there must be a reason for it. Thank you.

Loved the ending bit. I was born and raised in NJ, but as a kid I would spend the majority of every summer vacation in Ontario with my Canadian mom, visiting her side of the family. Your "Friendly Giant" reference brings back a lot of those memories.

This channel is an absolute gold mine. I originally found it from one of posts on reddit (I think it was an ama about task manager?). Thanks for your work, and keep it up!

@DavesGarage

3 жыл бұрын

Wow, thanks!

@oadthemoddy9617

3 жыл бұрын

Same!

@antoniomaglione4101

3 жыл бұрын

Beside the gold mine. I was completing my professional formation with hands-on experience in those years, so everything Dave says, it represent a leaf from the book of my work story past, and an engaging trip down the memory lane...

@langer24106

3 жыл бұрын

I found him the same way

“You’ll notice how this scanner build... WoAoow” That moment that the anesthesia kicks in:

@sheik124

3 жыл бұрын

I've been trying to figure out _what_ he wanted us to notice about that "scanner build" for the better part of two decades...

I was born in 80 and got into pc building in 90, I really enjoy these videos because it takes me back to the hundreds of pc's that I built for friends and family with a "special" version of windows 98

Thank you, Steve "BSOD" Ballmer

nice insert of the WinXP shutdown sound

@langer24106

3 жыл бұрын

I caught that, too!

There is a nice article by Raymond Chen on how there was a bluescreen at a `mov eax,eax` instructions. Turns out a computer manufacturer shipped CPUs overclocked by default, causing it to cause defects.

@allahdoesnotexist3823

3 жыл бұрын

What's the use of moving a value to the same register?

@Sebazzz1991

3 жыл бұрын

It is used in hotpatching executables. mov eax,eax doesn't block a pipleline, a nop does.

@matoatlantis

3 жыл бұрын

I thought newer CPUs consider this instruction as nop.

Im in a parking lot, late for an appointment, finishing watching your video. Thanks for this great story that makes me remember when i was a child seeing blue screens in the 3.1

I'm brand new to the channel and the Friendly Giant reference at the end caught me completely off guard. Amazing.

"Career Limiting Move" I learned that term when doing support for Win9x, but we just called it a CLM.

@pseudoforceyt

3 жыл бұрын

Customer Lifecycle Management

@jpdj2715

3 жыл бұрын

And, when it happened, did it limit the career of Win9x?

The "Wrong Vert" storyline was pure gold xD

@DavesGarage

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I wasn't sure how people were going to take that, but I enjoyed doing it :)

@nazarinebeats5521

2 жыл бұрын

I loved it definitely want more of your humour.

Dave, as an IT engineer for 15 years, your stories and history of Windows have been absolutely stunning! Could you please tell us why windows profiles get corrupted? What the heck is going on? Why is this still a thing in 2023? Thanks!

Never thought dev stories would be so engaging. 😊

I never imagined I'd get to hear these stories from an actual Windows developer back when I was still using the old pre-10 versions of windows.

Thanks for your stories about NT. I spent about half my career writing device drivers for NT 3.1 to XP and it's nice to hear some of the lore from Microsoft. After that, Linux was mature enough that my employers wanted to include drivers for that OS as well and I moved to that for a change.

@machinerin151

Жыл бұрын

Pretty funny how in Linux drivers are almost all in the kernel and very few kernel panics ever happen...

@robertekis2450

Жыл бұрын

@@machinerin151 Oh, the drivers ran at the same priority (ring 0) for both OS's. As you say, the drivers were just built into the kernel on Linux and dynamically loaded for Windows (which I preferred). I think the main difference in Linux having fewer panics was because it has support for far fewer devices (remember how little wireless networking support there was and still is?). Also, I guess there was better testing for releases, although I remember Windows driver testing was pretty rigorous too, but users could opt to allow non-Windows Certified drivers if they wanted. So, Windows couldn't be blamed for all the Blue Screens :).

@dylanh333

Жыл бұрын

​@@machinerin151 That's because those drivers are almost always developed, maintained, and tested by the Linux kernel developers, rather than 3rd parties doing this on their own. You compare that with Windows, where Marvell might write a driver for their latest WiFi chip completely on their own, with its own bugs, and if it crashes, it takes the whole OS down with it. Linux also doesn't have a stable driver API or ABI, so each new version (even minor versions) could introduce changes that require a whole bunch of drivers to be updated to support that version. For official drivers maintained by the Linux kernel team, part of their effort with releasing a new version is updating all the driver code to support the API changes in that version. For 3rd party drivers, they simply stop working with the new version, until the 3rd party developer adapts it to work with the newest changes to the API and ABI. Personally, I wish Linux had a stable driver API and ABI the way Windows does, even if it reduced the incentive for companies to open source and "upstream" their drivers so that they could be maintained as part of the Linux kernel. The biggest reason I want this is because in the smartphone space, companies like Qualcomm decide to (1) write their own drivers and not upstream them; and (2) instead of letting their drivers get broken by the next kernel version, they simply only support that one kernel version, and you end up with a device and chipset that's stuck on an ancient version of the Linux kernel for its entire lifespan. Similarly, you might buy a cheap 10Gbps network card with some obscure controller, and it ships with a CD rom with the source code for the drivers for it, as it doesn't have upstream support. You might then go to compile that code into a kernel module, only for it to fail because it uses a deprecated function that was removed in the latest version of the Linux kernel you're on. Trust me, that's not a fun scenario to be in.

@ionrael

11 ай бұрын

​@@dylanh333so why Linux doesn't develop a driver API and ABI? It's like doing things the hard way just because you want to work extra

@dylanh333

11 ай бұрын

@@ionrael Ideological reasons - to discourage maintaining unofficial drivers, and instead get them maintained as part of the upstream kernel (at least that's why I believe they do it), and to also give them more flexibility to make breaking changes within the kernel, if they want to redesign parts of it

You are a very inspirational person, sort of like a programmer dad! Thank you for making these videos.

I know this video is old, but I used to have a $50 used NT 4.0 machine in my room as a child in the 00s, and it worked perfectly at almost anything I needed it to do. It was incredibly reliable for my writing and I still have the Seanix keyboard on my wall as decor. My only other computer option at the time was a late 90s Compaq Deskpro running Windows ME, which, was very BSOD-prone. We used that until 2006 because XP just outright refused to install on it. Then we got Vista. You can see my track record with real winners for operating systems here! I actually liked Vista a lot, after I took the bloat away from it... I got 7 when it released because it was so well regarded, despite Vista having stuff I really liked about it. I'm on 10 now and satisfied with it. What do you think about Windows adding the Copilot key and eliminating left CTRL entirely unless you remap it manually for W11? What's your favourite OS to use? And, finally, why was Windows ME so error-filled? Have a great early morning :)

Thank you for that!! You're answering everything nerd me was wondering about about MS in the early 2000s

This guy could read the dictionary and I’d be entranced for hours. High key underrated

Turning 53 today, started my PC journey back in lat 80s with MS-DOS 3.30, I have a true blast watching your videos. Thanks and please bring more interesting stories.

Just found out this channel. It's amazing to watch during lunch. I mean, very sophisticated info, but also very warm hearted.

@KingSlimjeezy

14 күн бұрын

when you come from a pioneer saskatchawan family, you gotta be warm hearted

I'd love to see what the thinking was behind some of the common shortcuts like Win+Arrow, alt+tab and what lead to minimize, close, and collapse buttons around windows. Great stuff, Dave!

@johngaltline9933

3 жыл бұрын

while not all, for sure, many 'win' key short cuts predate the win key. Crtl+esc does the same thing. I've gotten used to using crtl+esc instead of the win key because I keep the win key switched off on my keyboard to keep from accidentally hitting it while playing games. Also comes in handy if you're using an old model M. Shift+f10 is the menu key.

@dh2032

3 жыл бұрын

@@johngaltline9933 forgot that one Shift+f10 thanks :-)

@SodAlmighty

3 жыл бұрын

@@johngaltline9933 Wow, are you from the 90s?

@johngaltline9933

3 жыл бұрын

@@SodAlmighty No, a decade earlier, I just appreciate the best keyboard ever made. And as said in my post 2 months ago, I turn off the win key on my current keyboard (it has a switch for this) so that it is not accidentally pressed while in a game, causing the start menu to pop up and pull you out of said game. The actual shortcuts also come in handy when writing scrips, and also are very useful for disabled folk. today's standard 104 key keyboard still only has the same 101 unique keys from the point of view of the computer, with the extra keys internally just being sent as a combination of the needed keys.

@SodAlmighty

3 жыл бұрын

@@johngaltline9933 I didn't mean were you born in the 90s, I meant have you travelled in time from then. A switch to disable the Windows key sounds very useful, but that's no reason to keep it disabled when you're not gaming.

On top of appreciating these stories for their technical interest, I also appreciate your Canadian easter eggs, like the Friendly Giant exit screen and "in the meantime and between times". RIP Ed Whalen.

@jeffdickson7434

Жыл бұрын

Love The Friendly Giant ending!

Speaking of ATMs crashing, that happened to me once mid-transaction. The thing crashed and rebooted itself shortly after spitting out my 20 bucks. I watched it POST and found out that this particular ATM was a crusty old 386 PC running OS/2 Warp. Pretty cool. What was also pretty cool was that it crashed before crediting my bank account, so I got that 20 dollars for free. Less cool was the fact that it never gave me my debit card back after it finished booting, and the bank ended up crediting my account that 20 dollars anyway, after I told them what happened to my card.

I can't believe The Holy Algorithm just surfaced this channel! So much good stuff. I was in the audience when Win98 did the BSOD on Bill Gates. The audience took it in good cheer and I leaned over to our department head at the time and said, "It's been fun, but I hear Microsoft has a job opening."

Rumour has it Dave has never blinked outside of making an intentional expression with his eyes

With age and wisdom, and several IT-projects later I've learnt one thing. Reasons for certain colors or naming schemes tend to be completely random and often based on the workers current mood or humor. No other reason, no giant conspiracy or deep processed thought. "I had skittles for lunch, so I'll name this variable in the kernel "skittle""

@e3rd922

3 жыл бұрын

I mean in general if we take a look at the history of science you could say the same thing about the naming schemes.

@Chloe-ju7jp

2 жыл бұрын

@@e3rd922case in point: sonic hedgehog

OMG, Love the big friendly giant bit at the end! Grew up watching that in Canada!

what a fun walk thru memory lane !!!! I'm definitely getting old LOL

Hehe, when talking about Gates' reaction to the on-stage Win98 BSOD and him smiling... well, he was an actual developer himself. He knows as well as any of us that, really, it's just amazing anything ever works at all, not that it breaks. People don't give computers and software enough credit. Where else in the entire history of humanity have we built something with, say, a billion switches, flipping a few billion times per second, packed into a square inch of space, where one single mis-timed flip can cascade to total failure of the entire system, and the primary way it is worked with is through a dozen layers of abstractions? It's like repairing a car the size of a flea. While it's on the moon. With moon-length chopsticks. And we make it WORK sometimes? Frankly baffling. Especially when you're talking about operating systems and saying 'oh, and other people are going to write code which runs on the system at the same time, in the same memory, on the same hardware, and you both have to coexist without killing each other'. I just recently was plagued with some BSODs on Windows 10 Pro. I've been using PCs since 1990, starting with MS-DOS 5.0. I've been through a lot of systems. This is the first time, however, that some RAM just spontaneously... went bad. No idea what happened to it, the system would boot and run OK for days then boom, BSOD. Memtest immediately failed on it. I figured out which sticks they were, and they were a kit I'd installed about 2 years ago. Had run just fine (and passed all memtests after install, I value stability above all else and always do stability tests after major hardware upgrades like that, adding 32GB more RAM) for those 2 years, then just started throwing failures. Memory check succeeded when they were removed and I was able to get them replaced under warranty and am back to 64GB but still feeling surprised such a thing just randomly happened.

@drtaverner

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, computers are an amazing juggling act/magic show that looks easy to the end user/audience. Consider that they cannot faithfully recreate music from the C64 because of "undocumented implementation" of the SID chip. Trans. "We made it work but damned if we know how." To me, that sums up so much. "Got it working, do not touch anything, no, it shouldn't, but it compiles consistantly so..."

@cerulity32k

Жыл бұрын

Yeah. We literally put lightning into some sand and made it think. Give it some slack. I've been trying to do assembly and operating systems, but there are so many systems you need to remember and study to even have a glimpse of what you can do to talk to the machine, and it's absolutely terrifying.

@Brahvim

Жыл бұрын

Forgot, or perhaps I never knew even _Sirs Gate was a developer._ Sad to know you had issues with memory - but hey, at least you had a BSOD to notify you! The last time the RAM on a machine I owned broke, I wasn't notified of it very well. Very lucky you were, Sir! ...yes, that machine used to have too many bluescreens anyway, but this incident occurred long after that issue had gone, after several Windows updates. Anyway, have a good day, _and a good rest-of-your-life!_

@xBINARYGODx

11 ай бұрын

@@Brahvim s/he didn't say they were notified easily - that said, bad ram tends to throw form a small pool of typical blu screen codes/given reasons, of course, some of that will overlap with a defective or not-currently-stable cpu core too.

@hyoenmadan

11 ай бұрын

At the time Windows 95 (Chicago) was written, Gates wasn't a coder anymore... In fact, much like Jobs and ATARI, he had never wrote code again since his days with the BASIC interpreter. DOS has no code lines written by Gates (or Ballmer by extension), and ofc Windows neither has, both NT and the DOS based one. Just like Jobs, at time he was only doing corporate boss stuff. Pretty easy to find that in the leaks you can find out there pretty easily. Leaks are a very good way to disclose truth and destroy corporate myths and fairytales.

Been using Windows since the 3.1 days, so it's really cool to hear the stories about how the Windows internals work and their history. Very good content, keep them coming!

OS teacher we all wanted in our college. Yes, I'm a software engineer who never liked the subject Operating system because I never knew it could be taught like that.

I've always had an interest in these sort of niche topics and hearing about them from the man who built most of them is truly enthralling. Keep on making such content , highly appreciated!

i get the feeling that this is about to blow up

@DavesGarage

3 жыл бұрын

That would be sweet! Share it, like it, do whatever it takes ;-)

@vinzzbe

3 жыл бұрын

We could exploit the youtube bug in community tab? :-P

@grantclap

3 жыл бұрын

Subscribers the moon 🚀🚀🚀

@notofinterest

3 жыл бұрын

I’ve heard collabs r the way boost a channel. Linus tech tips as suggestion?

I love these kinds of stories, especially how often these things we all think have some profound significance actually turn out to have very mundane reasons, or even no particular reason. (Or, when nobody can remember the reason, and the answer becomes “it’s just that way, and we don’t know why”.) Thanks for a great video - can’t wait for more.

Love your humour and style! Who knew Windows folklore was as captivating?

Loved the homage to The Friendly Giant at the end… 🇨🇦

Dave, you were there, in the bubble, when Microsoft was behind playing catchup with that new Internet thing. Prime material. Also, I like your transition from bits to pixels, you produce quality work.

Dave, you are a breath of fresh air and I appreciate your disclaimer about not selling stuff and how you are just doing it to story tell and educate. You are a rare dude. Thank you for the info, sir. Although I may not understand it all, I appreciate the presentation.

The friendly giant reference at the end was great.

16:13 OMG decades after Buffy came out and this tune still gives me chills lol

Funny, from the outside there is always the assumption that everything has a deep reason to it, while in fact a lot of design choices just 'happen' while someone is in the middle of coding.

"It's better to lose your data than to corrupt old data." Sigh. Remembering all the times I ran CHKDSK , praying that it would fix a partition corrupted during a BSOD.

Thanks for the background update. I was just a "user" and "applications programmer".

Wow I just found your channel. I never programmed but have an understanding of it. I love hearing stories of Microsoft from when I was a kid.

My first experience of writing NT drivers was with the march 93 beta v version. The user mode device drivers were awesome. It made development much more straightforward precisely because the whole machine didn't crash just because I'd got something wrong. That was quite a contrast with systems that I'd written drivers for before. It's not the work that I do now, but I'm happy to hear that (some) drivers are back in user mode.

Learning alot about Windows and most of the stuff that was made for Windows was made even before I was born and use it in Windows 10 up to this current day.

This is awesome, thank you! I love to think its the BSOD that lead to Mac's (circa 2000s) "grey screen" and then VMWare ESXi's Purple screen... So much fun to hear the "beginning". Also, I usually don't comment but when you said you want "engagement" I just couldn't help myself.

My wife loves "The Devil Wears Prada" and we had a laugh about the Cerulean (Blue) Screen of Death and how that might play in the movie. Thanks for the history lesson, i LOVED every minute of it!!

Fascinating as always! I had wrongly suspected that the colour scheme was chosen to match the installation TUI, as a visual indication that you "weren't in Kansas" any more. But what I really want to know is who at Apple decided that the Mac OS X icon for a PC on the network should be a beige CRT showing a bluescreen...

Awesome video! Love the "Friendly Giant" ending!

(1:50) Because localisation has been brought up before. Similar in Swedish, but with sight modification: all verbs in infinite in Swedish must end with a vowel, and if it normally doesn't , an 'a' is added. This means if the coined word doesn't end with an 'a', an 'a' is added for the verb.

Just wanted to say I just recently found your channel and I’m a huge fan of what you do on here. I’m 26 and have been around computers & tech my entire life. I was just at the transition from 98 to XP when I started playing my CD PC games 😁 (XP Pinball was my favorite though) 😉👍🏼 I really appreciate all of your previous hard work to make Windows as awesome as it is today. Bring on the videos, I will watch every single one. & don’t worry, I’m already subscribed and I appropriately give a thumbs up on every video I watch from you 👍🏼 Thanks again, Dave!

I love the blue screen. Way way back, I actually had the Windows 95 registry patch. No idea how or where I got it.

I need more Dave's Garage storytelling in my life! I love this kind of content, and especially since i'll be transitioning into writing & testing & maintaining code full time soon. Happy to see the channel is starting (continuing?) to do live streams. Your experience and stories are a goldmine. Crossing my fingers that this channel exists well into the future.

I've overlooked your channel as a recommendation for quite awhile. Maybe because of the name of it. This particular video caught my interest, and I decided to give it a whirl. I'm glad I did. You're very informative. I really like learning stuff like this. You have gained yourself another new subscriber. Thanks, Dave!

What a storyteller, Dave ! Being so learned and eloquent is actually remarkable and deserves clicking on the subscribe button ! Last time it happened to me, it was a faulty RAM. It took me ages to identify, as I first thought it was a faulty GC driver. It was only when I started to pull out parts of the computer (a little bit out of sheer spite) that it eventually stopped. On a side note, I'm all for renaming them CSoD, for Cerulean Screen of Death ! :D