Divisible by 7 can be useful in figuring out if there is a whole number of weeks in a number of days.

@amysteele2488

Жыл бұрын

I came here to make that exact point :)

@Reachermordacai

Жыл бұрын

Could you demonstrate that please, thank you. :)

@Nate-bd8fg

Жыл бұрын

@@Reachermordacai "hey dude I see on sundays, I gotta work the next 2794 days!" "Damn so you stop work in the middle of a week?" "How did you figure that one out?"

@YounesLayachi

Жыл бұрын

Yeah but that isn't very useful at all unfortunately. We use days and months most of the time

@muizzsiddique

Жыл бұрын

@@YounesLayachi But we also use weekdays and weekends.

Seven is weird because it eight nine

@systemoutprinthakim

Жыл бұрын

🤓👍🏻

@tarasj6908

Жыл бұрын

Most underrated comment ive seen

@chriskuta6178

Жыл бұрын

That's not weird, eating 3 square meals.

@BodaciousWench

Жыл бұрын

Darn it. I came here to say that.

@goatgamer001

Жыл бұрын

This is colder than 7 degrees Fahrenheit

For 40+ years I've been saying, "there is no rule for 7," meaning no way to check for divisibility as with 3, 5, 9 etc. Thank you for this. I now have my "rule for 7!"

@darpanjain4250

Жыл бұрын

My rule was doubling the last digit and subtracting it from the rest of the number.

@BlueWhiteWiper

Жыл бұрын

yo man, will there be ant man 4?

@dabama7483

Жыл бұрын

my rule was imagine that number was base 3 and convert to denary so 343 3 + 4x3 + 3x9 = 42 divisible

@phanibhushantholeti9446

Жыл бұрын

@@darpanjain4250 i used the same. If we try to prove the method, the process remains same for both methods.

@simonkara4907

Жыл бұрын

V0

The same algorithm (3:51) can be used to construct a formula for other primes: 11: x - y (k=10, j=99) 13: x + 4y or x - 9y (k=4, j=39) 17: x - 5y (k=12, j=119) 19: x + 2y (k=2, j=19) 23: x + 7y (k=7, j=69) 29: x + 3y (k=3, j=29) 31: x - 3y (k=28, j=279) 37: x - 11y (k=26, j=259) 41: x - 4y (k=37, j=369) 43: x + 13y or x - 30y (k=13, j=129) 47: x - 14y (k=33, j=329) 53: x + 16y (k=16, j=159) 59: x + 6y (k=6, j=59) 61: x - 6y (k=55, j=549) 67: x - 20y (k=47, j=469) 71: x - 7y (k=64, j=639) 73: x + 22y (k=22, j=219) 79: x + 8y (k=8, j=79) 83: x + 25y (k=25, j=249) 89: x + 9y (k=9, j=89) 97: x - 29y or x - 30x + x (k=68, j=679) where k is the multiplier of 10x + y: 10kx + ky (4:11) and j is a multiple of the prime that is subtracted: 10kx - jx + ky = x + ky (4:30) then subtract the prime if it helps And since the same algorithm is used, the results have the same properties, like iterability (1:24)

@luketurner314

Жыл бұрын

For the ones with a y coefficient greater than 10, we could split the number like so: 100a + b; where b is the last 2 digits and a is the rest: 37: a +10b (k=10, j=999) 43: a - 3b (k=6, j=559; originally 6b - 2a which is even and backwards, so divide by -2) 47: a + 8b (k=8, j=799) 53: a - 9b (k=18, j=1749; originally 18b - 2a -> divide by -2) 67: a - 2b (k=12, j=1139; orig. 12b - 6a -> div. -6) Couldn't find a decent formula for 73, 83, and 97 in a timely manner. I might revisit this later

@leo848

Жыл бұрын

Isn't iterability always necessarily given by the nature of these kinds of divisibility proofs?

@luketurner314

Жыл бұрын

@@leo848 I suppose, but for 2, 5 and therefore 10, for example, you don't need to iterate since you're just looking at the last digit (is it even?, is it 5 or 0?, and is it 0? respectively). For the alternating sum for 11, I have not taken the time to reverse engineer its algebraic derivation; it too may have the same property because it may be a similar algorithm.

@nnaammuuss

Жыл бұрын

@@leo848 not really. You can construct a finite state automaton (for instance, a 3-state automaton for divisibility by 3) that, after you run the digits through its arrows will straightaway give you a ‘yes’ or a ‘no’ without any need for iteration. I guess, we're just more used to addition and stuff, and devise these chevksum kind of tests, which fall into the trap of iteration.

@leo848

Жыл бұрын

@@nnaammuuss Of course. I meant that once you have a divisibility test that gives back a number that is divisible iff the original number is, one can always iterate.

this feels like a very old-school numberphile video, love it

@shpensive

Жыл бұрын

Yeaah! It really does! fun!

@jimi02468

Жыл бұрын

When I saw this video on KZread at a first glance, I thought I was looking at some old video from seven years ago or something, was surprised when I realized it was from today

@robinsonrom

Жыл бұрын

James Grimes is classic!

@jul_wac

Жыл бұрын

@@jimi02468 Same. It's quite funny

@lucasng4712

Жыл бұрын

What's changed

When I was in the 7th grade, I was taught all the tests for divisibility except for 7. What we were told was "try dividing it by 7," which completely defeats the purpose of a divisibility test. Thank you for filling in this particular gap in my education.

@BeBopScraBoo

Жыл бұрын

the test defeats the purpose of the test because it takes 5 times longer than just dividing by 7.

@PC_Simo

Жыл бұрын

@@BeBopScraBoo But it doesn’t test your mental arithmetic so much (pardon the pun).

@kkdpsudpsu

Жыл бұрын

@@BeBopScraBoo this is exactly what i was thinking 😂😂

@Dowlphin

Жыл бұрын

@@BeBopScraBoo Yes, and the video is also completely missing the stated topic. I wanted to know why non-roundly dividing by 7 always creates the same decimal pattern.

@BeBopScraBoo

Жыл бұрын

@@Dowlphin decimal system is based on ten, which factors to 2 and 5. any fraction with a denominator that factors with any other number will have a repeating pattern.

Even Numberhile now recognizes the elegance of the number 7 Thala for a reason

@user-yz2xl1tu6t

3 ай бұрын

7 is the GOAT of multiple things

@CarlFriedrichGauss1

Ай бұрын

@@user-yz2xl1tu6t HECK YEAH RONALDO SIUUUUU

@praneethalva5706

10 күн бұрын

As a CSK fan and a long time subscriber to Numberphile, this cracked me up 😂

One of the great things about youtube that is not talked about enough. There are so many creators I have watched for a decade or longer and they were so important to me and continue to be so. In the media too much attention is paid to the drama and such. What about people like this? Or the green brothers? Vsauce? Rhett and link? I could go on. It's not an easy thing to do, to be able to take your fans with you as they pass into different eras of their lives. Most adults don't still watch what they watched as kids but so many of us do with creators like I mentioned above. These people are my teachers and actually helped guide me to being a better adult. Me and so many others. It's a beautiful thing. The creators, as well as fellow followers, feel like family and it's such a comfort.

Can't believe that 10 years later, I am still loving watch James Grime on Numberphile. I watched him when I was a nerdy high schooler and now I'm a nerdy adult. Thank you so much for all the videos over the years.

@juliusreiner5733

Жыл бұрын

Wow I’m in the same boat exactly. Can’t believe it’s been 10 years

@Cannitbliss

Жыл бұрын

Exactly the same!! Finally getting myself to watch numberphile again after all these years. And it's just as brilliant.

@matt69nice

Жыл бұрын

I swear he hasn't aged a day in that time

@CafePorLaNoche

Жыл бұрын

It's awesome to watch him explain anything about math.

@nicolestewart2843

Жыл бұрын

That's one of the great things about youtube that is not talked about enough. There are so many creators I have watched for a decade or longer and they were so important to me and continue to be so. In the media too much attention is paid to the drama and such. What about people like this? Or the green brothers? Vsauce? Rhett and link? I could go on. It's not an easy thing to do, to be able to take your fans with you as they pass into different eras of their lives. Most adults don't still watch what they watched as kids but so many of us do with creators like I mentioned above. These people are my teachers and actually helped guide me to being a better adult. Me and so many others. It's a beautiful thing. The creators, as well as fellow followers, feel like family and it's such a comfort.

another way to work out if something is divisible by 7 is to just do all your math in base 7 and see if it ends in 0

@Elnadrius

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I think its easer way

@christopherellis2663

Жыл бұрын

The given method is pointless, much easier just to divide by 7.

@EebstertheGreat

Жыл бұрын

I just subtract 7 over and over again. To check whether the number 70,000 was divisible by 7, I had to subtract 7 10,000 times. Turns out it is!

@jamielondon6436

Жыл бұрын

@@EebstertheGreat So easy, Eebster10010100.

@lydianlights

Жыл бұрын

@@christopherellis2663 it was joke :D

Thala for a reason🗿

I’d always do it by comparing to other numbers. 7000 is divisible by 7, 7000-6468=532. If 532 is divisible by 7 then 6468 was. 700-532=168. 168-140=28. 28 is divisible by 7 so 6468 is. This method is much easier for me to do in my head because it’s only addition or subtraction.

@goatgamer001

10 ай бұрын

6468=6300+168 =900*7+24*7=924×7

@bornts8944

5 ай бұрын

the method in the video can be programmed into a computer

@itsmemailingyou4234

2 ай бұрын

​@bornts8944 Use the modulo operator for computer and compare the result to zero. Works for any number.

@CarlFriedrichGauss1

Ай бұрын

Do this - 5194

@sebastiang7394

26 күн бұрын

@CarlFriedrichGauss1 easy 5194-4900=294, 294-280=14. 14=7*2. Therefore 5194 can be divided by 7. All you have to do is use is tens, hundreds, thousands of the times table.

Me and a friend of mine discovered a trick for 11 in middle school: Take 121, u split it in 1+21 = 22 so if the result is divisible by 11 the original is too. It works even for larger numbers like 35673 split in 3+56+73 = 132 132 split in 1+32 = 33 In case of even digits 1078 split in 10+78 = 88 Basically you split the number in sets of two digits starting from the end.

@kraken4354

Жыл бұрын

this is brilliant

@arnoygayen1984

Жыл бұрын

:o that's given in my book

@ChrisSwaningAround

Жыл бұрын

What about the magic 11s in pascal's triangle. Your algorithm reminded me of that.

@michaelempeigne3519

Жыл бұрын

I'd like to see a proof of this. This looks like coincidence so far to me.

@frasco_5518

Жыл бұрын

@@michaelempeigne3519 no idea what the proof is but it worked with every number i tried

Please dont let it be a 7-8-9 joke

@laurenf.7922

Жыл бұрын

I'm angry and happy to see this comment came through.

@carltonleboss

Жыл бұрын

It turns out that 7 was a 6 offender

@arse124

Жыл бұрын

The answer is no! 7 !8 9

Never heard of that "7" test, it's genius!

I always found multiples of 100, subtracted them and added on double the number of 100s you removed to what is remaining. Taking advantage of 98 being a multiple of 7. This works pretty well and is easy to do in your head

@loganroy3381

2 ай бұрын

This sounds much easier than what was shown in the video.

@CarlFriedrichGauss1

Ай бұрын

can you elaborate step by step please

The most amazing thing about this video? James said "this weird trick" in the video, but that phrase doesn't appear in the title. Well done!

@AaronOfMpls

Жыл бұрын

Mathematicians -hate- _love_ it!

@backwashjoe7864

Жыл бұрын

The twinkle of mischief in his eyes was a nice touch too!

@terryjwood

Жыл бұрын

If it appeared in the title, I'd have passed on it. Everyone knows that "This one weird Trick!" is web-speak for clickbait! 🙂

@richardsmith881

Жыл бұрын

I kept looking for the CONTINUE button

@medexamtoolsdotcom

Жыл бұрын

This weird trick will allow you to anger people in the comment section *Read more*

I use divisibility for finding primes and root approximations during tutoring. I lacked the 7 test so, thanks for that!

@dominicellis1867

Жыл бұрын

I usually find the closest number divisible by 70 then subtract/add from that. It’s not really a trick for 7 but it’ll always work.

@thethirdjegs

Жыл бұрын

7 has a lot of ways for divisibility determination

@thomaswilliams2273

Жыл бұрын

One trick that might help for finding primes is that except for 2 and 3 all primes follow the pattern of a multiple of 6 plus or minus 1. This is true because +2 would be divisible by 2, +3 by 3, +4 by 2, and +5 is also -1. Unfortunately I discovered this long after I needed to write Basic computer programs to find primes in school.

@ifulea

Жыл бұрын

Because of this video, I found out about the 1001 test, alternate sum of 3 digits: 123456788 is divisible by 7 because 123-456+788=455 is divisible by 7! Best part is that this test works with 11 and 13... 455 is also divisible by 13 so 123456788 is divisible by 13. This is golden when testing for primes!!

@dominicellis1867

Жыл бұрын

@@thomaswilliams2273 it will catch all the primes but you also have to filter out the multiples of 5’s.

Wow. I love this. I really love when the concept is abstracted out. Fantastic.

This is such a great video.. i’ve shared with my kids and the “presentation” with special british commentary and voice intonations is perfect. Useful and just enough entertainment!

This video took me back in time, when I was a middle-schooler amazed by these tricks and properties of numbers. Even now in uni, I watch videos on this channel with the same flabbergasted look, enjoying every minute as an extraordinary discover. I really appreciate your content, you're doing great ✌️

@Celtic_Thylacine

Жыл бұрын

Like using the missing fingers to do your nine times tables.

@ChrisM-qo1jc

Жыл бұрын

I love the fact that everyone keeps saying this video feels like it was from years ago but no one is commenting how Dr. Grimes didn't age that much. He's a vampire who knows all the secrets of numbers

@izme1000

Жыл бұрын

It's the hidden beauty of numbers, and I love when I learn a new one.

@erinmcdonald7781

Жыл бұрын

@@ChrisM-qo1jc The Count! 5 fingers, 4 fingers, bwahaha...! 💚✌️😎

When I was 13, I found another method for the divisibility by 7. It's in a way even more useful than the one in the video. The trick is to cut the number at the second digit. For instance, for 343, it's 3 and 43. After that, you double the rest (in the example, from 3, you get 6). If the sum is divisible by 7, then the original number is divisible by 7: 6+43 = 49. So, 343 is divisible by 7. What this method also provides is that it preserves modulo. So, if the number is not divisible by 7, the method also tells you how much is the remainder mod 7. For example, taking 716, you get 2×7 + 16 = 30, which is 28 + 2. So, 716 gives 2 as a remainder after dividing by 7.

@alaskaoptimumvamps8127

Жыл бұрын

100x + y -98x (multiple of 7) = 2x + y

@someknave

Жыл бұрын

Nice, this was actually the answer i expected from the video. For smaller numbers (under 6 digits) i think your solution is easier. For larger numbers i think the videos solution is better as each step requires multiplying 1digit by 5 and reduces the test number by. 1 digit, the mod 100 version each step requires multiplying an n-2 digit number by 2, it potentially reduces the number of digits by 2 but 3/10 operations will only reduce it by 1. Regarding finding the remainder the video requies 1 extra step, each iteration of the algorithm multiplies the remainder by 5, if you keep track of the number of iterations mod 6 you can multiply your final remainder by (1,3,2,6,4,5) mod 7.

@joseville

Жыл бұрын

Cool! I think the method shown in the video also preserves mod.

@someknave

Жыл бұрын

@@joseville the method in the video multiplies the remainder by 5 for each iteration of the algorithm.

@shanghandi-notrelatedtomah8534

Жыл бұрын

This is very cool! I "discovered" the same method while staring at the digital clock and splitting the number at the colon when I was little. Thought I was one of the great mathematicians of the century.

The general rule for any number relatively prime with 10, call it p, is multiply the last digit by the multiplicative modular inverse of 10 mod p, and add the rest, and check the sum.

You have to love James Grime. Really! His passion, energy, and love for mathematics are just splashing on me from the monitor. Truly fantastic.👏 I wish I had such a passionate teacher/lecturer for my math lessons. I'm glad I could enjoy on YT for the least. 🙂

I poked around in excel to find out what happens with that seven trick in how other numbers terminate. 49 is in a loop of 49's as we saw in the video and all numbers 1-48 that aren't divisible by 7 are in a loop together and all of the numbers divisible by seven are in their own loop. 1,5,25,27,37,38,43,19,46,34,23,17,36,33,18,41,9,45,29,47,39,48,44,24,22,12,11,6,30,3,15,26,32,13,16,31,8,40,4,20,2,10 and 7,35,28,42,14,21

@duimaurisfootball8134

Жыл бұрын

that's really odd!

@Merione

Жыл бұрын

Cool! I've tried something like that as well, and it seems that powers of 7 all eventually reduce down to 49 as well: 7^2 = 49 --> 49 7^3 = 343 --> 49 7^4 = 2401 --> 245 --> 49 7^5 = 16807 --> 1715 --> 196 --> 49 And so on.

@antonmiserez934

Жыл бұрын

Loops like this remind me of Goldbach’s conjecture… nice result!

@w.nickel2792

Жыл бұрын

One gets the next term in those sequences by multiplying by 5 modulo 49.

@dennismuller1141

Жыл бұрын

@@antonmiserez934 I think you mean the Collatz-conjecture

5:45 James’s reaction really goes to show that Maths-nerds aren’t big on sports 😅.

I personally find 6300+140+28 easier to figure out in the head, works for arbitrary sized numbers quite quickly too if you know your x7 table well enough. Its a bit of doing the full division but in blocks of 2-3 digits... and in a way its related to this one...

Just seeing Dr. Grime already tells me this is going to be sweet. Loved it.

@iwatchwithnoads7480

Жыл бұрын

Dr Grime looks so much older than the old days of the channel. Now I feel old 💀

@profbbfab6211

Жыл бұрын

@@iwatchwithnoads7480 And somehow he got even better at explaining

Isn't it amazing that the sponsor is placed at the _end_ ? I can't believe Numberphile is the only channel I've seen that doesn't intrude on its own content!

@minirop

Жыл бұрын

shitty advertisers (like Raid Shadow Legends and other mobile games, most VPN, etc.) force you to have the ad at the starts + link in pinned comment + link in description, while Brilliant, Kiwico, etc. don't.

@itsreeah2663

Жыл бұрын

Yet another reason to love Numberphile

@acoupleofschoes

Жыл бұрын

Most educational channels (all of the SciShow channels, PBS channels, Stand-up Maths, etc) put the ad at the end if they have one. If you can see the viewership graph on the seek bar, viewer retention usually flatlines on those videos as soon as the ad starts.

@bingbonghafu

Жыл бұрын

I know old Jacksfilms videos and Oddheader do that as well

@ParasocialCatgirl

5 ай бұрын

Probably because Numberphile has more leverage in the situation than your average independent youtuber who may be more in need of the sponsorship money (and therefore much more able to say no to a sponsor demanding a more intrusive segment).

I completely forgot about this channel & how much math(s) makes my brain happy… Just subscribed.

It's much easier to find the nearest obvious number that can be divided by 7, e.g. 7000. Minus 6468. It's 532 and check if it's can be divided. Btw, you can do the same for 532 and 700. or 560 (7*80) - 532 = 28. Easy even doing in mind.

I just instantly see either 350+84 or 420+14 which makes it obviously divisible by 7. But I guess the point of the video is to showcase some more interesting methods. nice job.thanks.

@jonasb.236

Жыл бұрын

I saw 700 - 14 for 686 :D

@Matthew-bu7fg

Жыл бұрын

I think is more for students who struggle to immediately see that and how they can be supported :)

@jonasb.236

Жыл бұрын

@@Matthew-bu7fg I do have to say that this method is indeed great, the examples could have been chosen better imo. But nevertheless great method.

@cheeseburgermonkey7104

Жыл бұрын

There's another similar method which I use if the divisibility test is just too hard: Keep adding or subtracting the number which you want to know divisibility by to your number until it's a multiple of 10. If, say, your number which you want to know divisibility by is even, and your number is odd, there's no way of getting to a multiple of 10, so it isn't divisible. Divide your 10 multiple by 10 and try to see if that's divisible, if not, repeat the process until you see something you recognize. Example: divisibility by 13 for 832 832(i picked this number completely at random no joke)+13=845 845+(13*5)=845+65=910 910/10=91 91=13*7, but lets say i'm still unsure 91+13=104 104+13=117 117+13=130 No doubt about it, 130 is divisible by 13. 832 must be divisible by 13

I remember I used a USB stick duplicator at work once, with 32 slots - 1 for the master USB and 31 for the clones. It also had a display that counted the total of successful duplicates, and checking if the number of successfully made duplicates was divisible by 31 was a quick way to tell if the machine was working properly. So, I used the similar divisibility test for 31, as it felt simpler once I got used to the method. "Subtract 3 times the last digit from the rest".

@ikbintom

Жыл бұрын

Hmmm I think I get your trick: for 31, you could do -3*(10x+y) = -30x-3y = -31x - (x - 3y). So indeed the original number (10x+y) it can be divided by 31 iff x-3y is divisible by 31. It's a bit of fiddling to find the right factor (in this case -3), or at least it's not obvious to me immediately, but it's not too hard to derive these tricks for other numbers actually! For example I found 13 too: 4(10x+y)=39x+(x+4y) so you can check x+4y (because 39=13*3).

@michaelempeigne3519

Жыл бұрын

alternative to thisss ssubtract 3 times method you indicate, you can also do " rest + 28 times the unit digit"

@ikbintom

Жыл бұрын

@@michaelempeigne3519 that's true! I just thought 3 times a number was a bit easier than 28 times 😀

@chriswebster24

Жыл бұрын

@@ikbintom Well, you thought wrong. It’s a lot easier to multiply by 28 then it is by 3, OBVIOUSLY.

@undine120

Жыл бұрын

@@ikbintom Finding those fiddling factors comes in a couple ways if you have nice numbers: if you're looking for something divisible by XY, where X and Y are digits, then for a number ABC... you can multiply the last digit (ex: C) by X/Y, and subtract from the rest. Why? Every time you add a multiple of XY, you add Y to the last digit, and X/Y to the other digits. If you multiply Y by the ratio, and subtract that, you've essentially said 'ok, great, let's remove Y copies of XY from ABC, guaranteeing the last digit is now 0. Is the remainder left 10x a multiple we're aware of?. And if you repeat the process, you're just now doing the same operation, but with the 10s and 100s places. The second nice way is finding a convenient multiple near 100. For 7, 98 works great. Since that's 2 away from 100, we can just chop off all but the last 2 digits (would be 3 digits for a multiple near 1000), and add on 2 for every hundred we cut off - 343? 3*2+43 = 49. For 31, 93 is kinda close to 100, but 7 off. So let's try it : 568, 35+68=103, not a multiple. In fact, since it's 10 more than a multiple (103-10=93), you know 558 would be a multiple of 31, which it is (18x31).

This channel needs more James Grime 🥰

Amazing video!❤😊enjoyed watching it and learned new tricks🎉. Thankyou so much!❤

When you have Dr. Grime on, you know it's gonna be great.

In a training material for level 2 math olympiads here in Brazil they outline this technique. It is lovely. It was very rewarding to learn this, I love the number 7.

Thank you ❤ it was fun with your passion 🎉 you reminded me how much I loved numbers when I was a kiddo 🥰

There's a maths based "latin square" puzzle that I love, and I'm usually trying to figure out if a given number is divisible by 7 somewhere in the puzzle. I'll try this method. Usually I'd break it up as 420 + 14, or 6300 + 140 + 28. For reference, the puzzle is called "Keen" and is on "Simon Tatham's Portable Puzzle Collection".

James discussing Number Theory, a perfect start to my day. The idea that we see here as a ‘trick’ can be further generalised to derive an algorithm to check whether a number is divisible by a prime number that ends with 1,3,7,9 (i.e. all primes greater than 5). Very useful indeed.

Here's a trick that only requires you to know up to 10x7: take your number (let's use his example of 6468), and find the multiple of 7 that ends in the same digit. So, 6468 ends in 8, and 28 ends in 8, so subtract 28 and you have 6440. Drop the last 0, so you have 644. Repeat. 644 ends in 4, 14 ends in 4, 644-14=630, drop the 0, and you have 63, which is divisible by 7, so it's all divisible by 7. It's similar, but you don't have to deal with the 'multiply by 5' step, so it might be a bit mentally easier.

@deepowls

Жыл бұрын

That is about the same as dividing by 7 normally, except you're going right-to-left instead of left-to-right. However, your method is what I would do to check divisibility by many larger prime numbers like 17 or 23, except that I may add or subtract and attack the number from both the left and right. For example, to test if 3893 is divisible by 17, I would find it easier to add 17 rather than subtract 153. 3893 + 17 = 3910 or 391 after dropping the 0. At that point, I would notice: 391 = 17 * 23 = (20 - 3)(20 + 3) = 20² - 3² However, I could have could have continued the process by subtracting 51 (or adding 119) to 391 to get 340 (or 510). As to how often this is necessary in day-to-day life, well...

@Pussyguardian

10 ай бұрын

I prefer this method as well, it's a 7 based multiplication + subtraction vs a 5 based multiplication + addition. So end of the day it's pretty much the same

@azeemuddinkhan923

7 ай бұрын

I have an easier approach for this one. Take 6468 for example. Consider first two digits i.e. 64. 7*9=63. So 7*900= 6300. 6468-6300= 168. Now consider first two digits again i.e. 16. 7*2=14. 7*20=140. 168-140= 28. 28 is divisible by 7 so number is divisible by 7. Fun fact - this is nothing but doing elementary division by 7 in a more complicated way. The method given in the video and and in the comment section by people are are more complex than simply dividing by 7 and check. It's fun math but not practical at all

Enjoyed the video ... great stuff ... Cheers

Loved it, thanks so much

I had learnt divisibility tests in school. But we hadn't learnt any for 7. I genuinely though it wasn't possible, (thinking they would've taught it if it was that way) But that 10x + y explanation completely blew me away. It's these very basic simplistic things in math which amaze you. Because it is so simple and 100% sure it was possible to come up with myself. Really encourages one to keep trying out stuff and working out things just for fun!

@BeBopScraBoo

Жыл бұрын

if i was a teacher i'd refuse to teach the 'trick' because it's just friggin faster to divide by 7.

@MichaelPohoreski

Жыл бұрын

@@BeBopScraBoo You would be a crappy teacher. The WHOLE point of Mathematics is to recognize (and prove) beautiful patterns of set theory which can be inspiring for curiosity. I.e. The proof of Div by 7 is _Number Theory,_ specifically using *cyclic addition* which differs from *linear addition.* This _difference of perspective_ can inspire students to want to learn more.

@MichaelPohoreski

Жыл бұрын

Sadly I never learnt the Div by 7 mod trick in school either. When I was 30 I heard about the _subtract double the last digit from the remaining digits_ but didn’t know _why_ it worked so shortly after I set out to prove it. I independently derived some circular addition rules (modular arithmetic) and from that it was relatively straightforward: 10x + y ≡ 0 (mod 7) 50x + 5y ≡ 0*5 (mod 7) 49x + x + 5y ≡ 0 (mod 7) [49x ≡ 0 (mod 7)] + [x + 5y ≡ 0 (mod 7)] 0 + x + 5y ≡ 0 (mod 7) x + 5y - 7y ≡ 0 - 7y (mod 7) x - 2y ≡ 0 (mod 7) QED The sad part is kids do modular arithmetic (circular addition) when they learn how to tell analog time but no one every tells them they are doing Number Theory!

@Dragongaga

9 ай бұрын

​@@MichaelPohoreski That's not the point of school though. The purpose of school is to learn skills you can apply in real life. The point of divisibility tests is that you can do them in your head without writing anything down. If you have to write it down, it's pointless and you can just divide in the first place. Yes, it's interesting how numbers converge into patterns, but there's not point worrying about number theory and patterns in elementary school

The general divisibility trick for any prime p (other than 2 and 5) is as follows: Let our dividend be k and express it as 10x + y (x , y are non-negative integers) Find an integer z such that 10z when divided by p yields remainder 1. Now if x + (z)y is divisible by p, then 10x + y is divisible by p. This yields the required algorithm. Note: You can replace 10 with any natural number as long as it isn't a multiple of our chosen prime p.

@PhilBagels

Жыл бұрын

I usually do it with a multiple of p that ends in 1. Call the multiple 10m+1. Then if x-my is divisible by p, then 10x+y is also divisible by p. For example, 17x3=51, so you can take off the last digit, multiply it by 5, and subtract that from the rest of the number. Repeat until you get a number that obviously is or isn't a multiple of 17. If it is, then the original number was divisible by 17, and if not, it wasn't.

@maljamin

Жыл бұрын

Nice, yeah that yields the trick(s) for 11 of either adding 10N or subtracting N (for trailing digit N). And for 19 and 21 you get tricks involving ±2N.

Just an addition to the old trick which is take the number's last digit double it and subtract it from the remaining number. For eg: Let abc be the number then if 7| ab -2×c then 7|abc . It's just that we add 7×c to ab-2×c which will be ab+5c. So just an addition to that.

I appreciate you showing the reasoning behind why this works, tricks like these are far more useful (to me at least) when I understand the underlying math

Another interesting thing my friend and I figured out- if you divide a number which is not divisible by 7, by 7; you get repeating patterns after the decimal place- which is always 142857… in a cyclic order.

@ivanski28

Жыл бұрын

Yeah this one is completely nuts. But it's the best known cyclic number. Multiply 142857 by anything you get an anagram or 9's repeated if it's a power of 7.

@osaruguex

10 ай бұрын

basically, what i do is i add up all of the digits in the number, then i add 7 to the original number and add up the digits of that number. if the total of (original +7) is 2 less than the original sum, it’s a multiple of 7. it works *a lot* of the time but it isn’t foolproof because occasionally, the sun resets to a larger number e.g 7(7), 14(5), 21(3) 28(*10*) wait, so maybe it works if the next number is 2 less or 7 more? idek

@xaryop7950

6 ай бұрын

@@aaronmarchand999that is typology, i think you meant anagram

@aaronmarchand999

6 ай бұрын

@@xaryop7950 No look it up, comes from Gurdjieff, unfortunately has been used for typology in recent years but that's not the original meaning

@danlayne9436

6 ай бұрын

True, but the decimal remainder starts with a different number in the sequence which is in numeric order in respect to the remainder. example: put the cycle in numeric order - 1,2,4,5,7,8 which correlates with remainders 1,2,3,4,5,6 If you divide 37 by 7 you get 5 with a remainder 2. So the decimal remainder is .285714 repeated. For 38/7, it would be 5.428571... (3 is the remainder. The third number in the sequence is 4.)

I own a funnel cake stand and I used to sell them for $7 each (not anymore... inflation!). This would have been handy when counting up the money at the end of an event to make sure the drawer was right!

@charliebell5073

Жыл бұрын

And if the drawer wasn't right, what next? I'm not sure I'd want to count.

Thala for a reason🇮🇳🇮🇳

1:09 I do it by head instead, decomposing the multiples. 434 -14 = 420 7x60 = 420 7x2= 14 434 = 7x62

5:50 I thought I imagined this very loudly! X - D

Man, what a nice guy professor Grime seems. I've known him for so long on this platform, I feel he's part of my family now.

@ParasocialCatgirl

5 ай бұрын

parasocial relationship moment

These techniques are precisely elaborated in Sulva Sutras from ancient times in India and we are practicing these for questions asked by government recruitment examinations.

Even if Argam Numerals were to extend up to digits in Base-720 (the factorial of 6), 7 would still be a somewhat interesting number, as it'd be the smallest prime number to not be divisible from the Base-720 sub-digit points, or in Dozenal's definition: Base-500.

Man, I love that seven one, I feel like I must have learned it once but completely forgot it, as I knew all the rest. Awesome job!

@vigilantcosmicpenguin8721

Жыл бұрын

I'm really happy to learn the 7 one because it completes the set. Most of them I learned in elementary school, but 7 was always troublesome.

Well, it certainly makes sense that adding 5x and subtracting 2x would work the same when what you care about is divisibility by 7; when counting modulo 7, 5 and -2 are the same number.

@adarshmohapatra5058

Жыл бұрын

Ooo you're right. If the number is 10x+y, then the first method is about checking if x+5y is divisible by 7, and the second method is about checking if x-2y is divisible by 7. (I like to call them the x+5y & the x-2y methods). But modulo 7, they're the same thing! (For people not familiar with modular arithmetic, if x+5y is divisible by 7, so is x-2y. Because it is smaller by exactly 7y.) In fact I can make an infinite number of 7 divisibilty tests like these, like the 8x-9y divisibility test & the 12y-6x divisibilty tests by adding or subtracting 7x's & 7y's. (If you frame it as a number is divisible by 7, if 12 times the last digit minus 6 times the first digit is divisible by 7, you can perhaps use it as a cool party trick ;) )

@witchcraft2264

Жыл бұрын

Hey -2 is my method! I was wondering why that worked! Thanks!

@MichaelPohoreski

Жыл бұрын

What’s neat is that the proof for x+5y mod 7 is contained in the proof for x-2y mod 7: 10x + y ≡ 0 (mod 7) 50x + 5y ≡ 0*5 (mod 7) 49x + x + 5y ≡ 0 (mod 7) [49x ≡ 0 (mod 7)] + [x + 5y ≡ 0 (mod 7)] 0 + x + 5y ≡ 0 (mod 7) x + 5y - 7y ≡ 0 - 7y (mod 7) [x - 2y ≡ 0 (mod 7)] - [7y ≡ 0 (mod 7)] x - 2y ≡ 0 (mod 7) + 0 x - 2y ≡ 0 (mod 7) QED

I always felt the subtraction rule was a bit clumsy and I was faster at division (or finding the remainder, i should say) than doing that test. The addition rule is easier to do!

An alternative method (that I worked out for myself right now) you can do is *last 2 digits plus twice the rest* . Will shrink the number much faster, and the mental maths is barely harder. Proof is exactly the same as in the video. It's actually surprisingly easy to generate any number of these tricks.

@leoirias3506

Жыл бұрын

I guess the hard part, for some people, would be to double the rest if its a big number, at least mentally.

@sang1s160

Жыл бұрын

Nice find, way easier to remember than the one Grime suggested

@QuantumHistorian

Жыл бұрын

@@leoirias3506 true, but if you're dealing with 3-4 digit number, you've only got to double 1-2 digits. Not very hard to do mentally I'd say? If you've got a much larger number... You won't. Nobody needs to know if a 5+ digit number is divisible by 7 in their head.

@rohitraghunathan

Жыл бұрын

@@QuantumHistorian For a larger number, you can split it into 2 digit numbers starting from the end, and then multiply by increasing powers of 2. Eg: 12936 -> 36+29*2+1*4 -> 98 -> divisible by 7 To make it simpler, you can do a mod 7 for each of the individual elements: 36 -> 35+1->1 29*2->(28+1)*2->2 1*4->4 1+2+4=>7

@ifulea

Жыл бұрын

@@rohitraghunathanIngenious... thank you!!

I always love the James Grime videos!

Thanks that was a really useful summary of all the divisibility "tricks" there a the end

Excellent information

This method seems more complicated than just using classic division tricks to check. For example, with 686, you could just divide 68 by 7 with a remainder, then you take that remainder, apply it to the remaining digit to get 56 and 56 is evenly divisible by 7. Plus, doing it this way also gives you the quotient, not just the yes/no on divisibility. And, just like the trick you showed, you can repeat the steps for chains longer than 3, _and_ it works for divisibility with _any_ number, not just 7.

@azeemuddinkhan923

7 ай бұрын

You are the smartest person in the comments section.

@henrygreen2096

6 ай бұрын

One of the points of this division trick is to avoid division. I teach both methods, and people seem to prefer the one highlighted in the video for whatever reason. For larger numbers, say 675081 you have to keep dividing by 7 and adding the remainder, OR you could multiply and add, and just check the last number for divisibility. If you noticed, all of these tricks are just to find divisibility, not the quotient. But I agree getting the quotient is a nice bonus =) I personally do not see one more complicated than the other, but different people work differently, and have their preferences!

@allengrove1864

5 ай бұрын

isn't this just a long division though

@blu3260

4 ай бұрын

So to figure out if a number is divisible by seven you have to figure out if it's divisible by seven? That's not very helpful

Knowing divisibility checks is really useful for prime factorizations too...7 and 11 in particular are terrific for this since they're on the bigger end of the early primes.

you have one of the most interesting channels ive come across on youtube.. number theory really opens up ones imagination... do you have anything on like... 'shape theory' ?

My method for testing divisibility by 4 doesn't involve any sums at all, only minimal memory work. Simply look at the last two digits. A number is divisible by 4 when: - the tens place value is even, the last digit will be 0, 4 or 8 - the tens place value is odd, the last digit will be 2 or 6 A number is divisible by 8 when: - the hundreds place value is even, the last two digits will be the familiar multiples of 8 (or end in 00 for a round hundred) - the hundreds place value is odd, either add or subtract 4 to the number (doesn't matter which), the last two digits of the answer will be multiples of 8 (or equal 0) [this works because 100/8 = 12 remainder 4, therefore that extra 4 evens itself out to a whole 8 every 200 so the multiples of 8 repeat themselves in the last two digits] I'm proud to say I came up with these myself. Kicking myself that I didn't come up with the 6 though, since I have enough number sense to know that every even multiple of 3 is a multiple of 6. Thank you for the divisibility by 7 test. Seven is such an unintuitive number to work with and the most awkward of the early primes.

There's another way to check divisibility by 7. Take a number (91 in this case). Subtract its base-3 representation (91 in base 3 = 28 in base 10). 91 - 28 = 63, which is divisible by 7, therefore 91 is divisible by 7. This works for any base. In general, if N_b - N_t is divisible by b-t, then the number is divisible by b-t as well.

@robertanthonyfairweather3416

Жыл бұрын

Yes, but your 91 in Base 3 would actually be 1001. However, that number is also divisible by 7 - or 21, in base 3 - and if you divide (B3) 1001 by (B3) 21, you would have (B3) 11. Quite a coincidence, too, because (B10) 3 × (B10) 7 = (B10)... (you guessed it) ...21 !

I love seeing someone so excited about divisibility by 7!

2:59 What's more interesting is that any number that's divisible by 49, after doing enough times of this method will always reach 49. But others will always reach 7.

@reillywalker195

Жыл бұрын

That's not exactly true. Consider 343, which is 49*7. Using the addition method (5*3+4+3), you get 22; using the subtraction method (2*3-4-3), you get -1; adding the results of both tests, you get 21.

I was taught a different divisibilty criterion: a number is divisible by 7 if (N*3 + L) is divisible by 7, where N is the number formed by removing the last digit of the original number (analogous to the criterion in the video), and L is the last digit. But the criterion in this video is much easier. Thanks for educating me

Back in the days when applications started to be locked by a serial number it wasn't that uncommon that one of the checks was "divide by 7". Many times you needed to present a number say 12 digits long which seems impossible to guess but all that was needed was to look for one that could be divided by 7 (11 was another common).

@JamesDavy2009

Жыл бұрын

Fun fact: the powers of 11 up to 11^9 (or one less than the radix) are sequential palindromes stopping at the nth power.

@user-zu1ix3yq2w

Жыл бұрын

Very neat..

@qamarat8366

Жыл бұрын

@@JamesDavy2009 Huh! Does this translate across bases? (So for example 11 in base 6 (7), would that be a palindrome all the way to 11^5?

@duncathan_salt

Жыл бұрын

@@qamarat8366 yep - that's what the "radix" in his message is referring to!

I'm delighted! This filled in the one remaining gap in my knowledge of divisibility by single digit numbers! I will use it often, because I often feel curious about whether a number is prime, and I like to see what I can work out before simply searching the web for the answer.

Really Good Video ...! Thanks Numberphile !!!

This video actually changed my life. I was really ready to end it all, had a goodbye note written, had picked out which bridge I was going to jump off, and then I saw this video and now I feel the strength to carry on. Thank you, sir. Seven truly is amazing.

@bentonrp

Жыл бұрын

You see what happens now, when greatness is demanded of you? Honor your time wisely, henceforth. You now harness the powerful knowledge of dividing by 7!

@bourbon2242

Жыл бұрын

I’m not sure if you’re being serious or not, my friend.

@bourbon2242

Жыл бұрын

@name i guess ok

Just wanted to say that I'm especially excited when I see Dr. James Grime on Numberphile! Thank you for sharing your love for Math and the numbers! ❤️

I've been waiting for this for 49 years actually. How fitting LOL. I use it for checking numbers for primailty in my head. Brilliant! Thank you! ( I did know all of the others already actually).

When I was like 10yo I figured out by myself a very similar method to verify if a number is divisible by 7 and I was so proud of it: In case of 434, multiply by 3 every digit except for the last one and add it to the result (43x3)+4=133; Then again (13x3)+3=42 that is divisible by 7 so 343 is divisible by 7

This is gonna be reccomended 4 years later😊

I actually have a secret method for determining whether a number is divisible by 7.. I just ask myself.. Is it 14? If so, then yes. Otherwise, I’m outta luck

@StefanReich

Жыл бұрын

Hey your method works for 0% of the natural numbers

@geraldsnodd

Жыл бұрын

🤣

@imveryangryitsnotbutter

Жыл бұрын

What if you're trying to figure out if 7 is divisible by 7?

@Mutual_Information

Жыл бұрын

@@imveryangryitsnotbutter lol also out of luck

@FalconTheFries

Жыл бұрын

49 is only number I subconsciously know is divisible by 7. Rest is outta my reach

I seriously love watching Numberphile videos and you are my absolute favourite, James Grime Sir! I adore you James Grime Sir to a great extent. (Your smile is literally the best!) Thanks for making me love mathematics more than ever.

I’ve always been so curious how techniques like this are discovered!

I always come away smarter after just a few moments spent here Cheers

Oh, the difficulty of 7. I suffered a concussion in a bike accident in 1985. When I got to the hospital, the doctor asked me to count backwards from 100 by 7s as one of the mental acuity tests. My immediate reaction was something like "nobody can do that." I gather they look for the patient's reaction, the effort, and some relation to consistency; they know that nearly all patients will make mistakes. I did pass that portion of the tests and they released me about 2 hours after admission. The high point of the day was that math quiz. Really - it was either a truly bad day or I'm a nerd. Pick one or two.

@AutPen38

Жыл бұрын

Counting backwards in sevens is definitely quite traumatic. While checking if you were clear of a concussion injury, I think the doctors were trying to cause PTSD!

I always just break up the number. 6468 is 6300 (divisible by 7 because 63 is), leaving 168. 168 is 140 (divisible by 7 because 14 is), leaving 28 which is also divisible by 7. Therefore 6468 is divisible by 7

@zzzaphod8507

Жыл бұрын

Looks close to doing the division.

Alternatively a relatively easier approach that we were taught in school. Take the twice of the units digit and subtract it from remaining. If the remaining is divisible by 7, then the number is divisible by 7. Example: 784, units digit*2 = 8, subtract it from 78 gives 70 which is divisible by seven

His blank stare when hearing football references is so completely relatable to me lol.

Very useful video. Lately I’ve been wanting to check Primality in my head, and this helps make it a lot easier. I knew the tricks for 2,3,&5, and memorized that 49, 77, and 91 were multiples of 7 to be able to do it for all two digit numbers. Knowing the tricks for 7 and 11 let me check all the way up to 169, so that’s pretty cool.

The thing about this "trick" for divisibility by 7 is that it's less efficient than just doing the long division algorithm.

@carolbeckett7922

Жыл бұрын

Just what I was thinking

dr. James

I loved the summary 😘

I think the easier and more straight forward method would just be subtracting multiples of seven since it cannot change the remainder. This method is solid and works for any number, but for some small numbers there are better ways. 6468 - 6300 168 - 140 28 ✓ A nice bonus is that we get can easily perform the division right now, since 6468 = 6300 + 140 + 28 = 7 (900+20+4) = 7*924

@seventhtenth

Жыл бұрын

434 = 420 + 14, 6468 = 6300 + 140 + 28. This is the skill I got from taking math tests without a calculator. This will always be faster

@PwnEveryBody

Жыл бұрын

Literally just division by hand as we learned in primary school, but with 0's instead of spaces. I wish we'd have learned why that worked back then. I think it might have helped quite a fair few to better understand, or might at least somewhat dispel the myth that maths is just magic.

A game I've been playing since I was a kid is breaking down numbers I come across, like street addresses or telephone numbers, to find it's largest prime. I "win" if a number's largest divisor is less than 12. I've always known every other trick mentioned in this video but seven has ALWAYS been the bane of this game as I didn't have an easy method to quickly divide by it. Or at least, not until now. So glad to have learned this, this trick is going to speed up my games considerably!

@nicolestewart2843

Жыл бұрын

I love this. Thank you for sharing with us. :)

I usually subtract as many 700s, 350s, and 98s as needed to get to a 2 digit number. This is probably better.

@breazecatcher

Жыл бұрын

It's worth remembering that 1001 is a multiple of 7 (=700+350-49). There's a trick based on this that works a bit like the alternating rule for 11 - which I can't remember off the top of my head - but I've never come across anything that can't be more easily be solved by subtracting multiples of (1000+1), then 700 or 350 and then multiples of (50-1).

Spectacular. MAGIC for sure!!!

Amazing how these tests are wildly different for divisors 1...9!

His voice sounds more joyful than normal

My favourite way to tackle divisibility by 7 is to exploit the fact that 1001 = 7 x 11 x 13. It's relatively easy to cast out lots of 1001 (though you can occasionally get some nasty carries) and it's guaranteed to bring you down to a number below 1001. Even though this might require a bit more memorisation (or mental arithmetic; just doing long division with numbers that small is surprisingly manageable, especially with a bit of practice/experience) from this point onwards than most of the methods discussed here, it does have the huge advantage of being able to attack 7, 11 and 13 simultaneously!

@goatgamer001

Жыл бұрын

its guaranteed to get a 3 digit number, as 1-001 is 0 and 1-000 is 1.

i wish i could like it more than once. Great video, kinda sad i didn't know it back in school

434 - 14 = 420 42 % 7 = 0 Dunno why you need a trick. This principle applies recursively for any size number. Like this: 45689 - 49 = 45640 - 140 = 45500 - 3500 = 42000 and 42 is divisible by 7.

I use something that can also be used for 11* and 13. Add up every other trio of digits, both groups and subtract the totals. This is because 7*11*13 is 1,001. *: With 11, there's an even simpler rule: add up every other digit, both groups, and then subtract the totals.

@SirRebrl

Жыл бұрын

Adding up every other digit into two groups and subtracting the totals is effectively the same as alternating addition and subtraction. Number: ABCDEF A - B + C - D + E - F = A + C + E - B - D - F = (A + C + E) - (B + D + F) Alternating will just keep the progressive total smaller.

@VWftw82

Жыл бұрын

@@SirRebrl true, and I could have added that to my original comment, but what I said works for all 3 can tell you, for instance, that 1,540 is divisible by both 7 and 11 (and therefore 77) because 540-1 = 539, the prime factorization of which is 7²*11.