In my opinion: Mordecai is the worst. Finn and Duncan were still kids when they fumbled the bag. Mordecai was an adult.

@Cryo80

8 ай бұрын

That's a great point

@monkiking778

8 ай бұрын

Fr

@pawnhearts8785

8 ай бұрын

Duncan is a teen, but yeah.

@jonmcknight18

8 ай бұрын

It's also implied that Finn got with hutress wizard in Fiona and Cake

@philly_sports1558

8 ай бұрын

Finn and Duncan also at least didn’t hijack their friend’s wedding to make it all about themsleves and their romantic problems. This shouldn’t even be a discussion.

Mordecai fumbles so badly that Rigby literally calls what he does “pulling a Mordecai” 😭

@esteban8471

3 ай бұрын

Not just Rigby, but so did Muscle Man, Thomas and even Skips.

@thatguyslay2950

3 ай бұрын

@@esteban8471 everybody that knows him calls it pulling a mordecai😂

@jess-hc4xg

2 ай бұрын

​@@esteban8471when did skips fumble

@esteban8471

2 ай бұрын

@@jess-hc4xg I meant to say they all call it "pulling a Mordecai."

Finn was like a 13 year old who didn’t have much guidance on romance, while Mordecai is a full grown adult who should know better by that point. Mordecai is definitely worse. Finn came to realize what he did was wrong and made a genuine apology for what he did, and learned to take things slow. There’s a noticeable difference between how his relationship goes with Flame Princess, and how his view and approach has changed by the time he meets Huntress Wizard. Mordecai just feels like he keeps stumbling over the same obstacles that he should’ve learned to avoid by the first and second time it happened, but instead he keeps repeating the mistakes without learning from it.

@lProN00bl

8 ай бұрын

The problem is Finn's motivation for fucking up in the first place....felt forced as all hell and borderline nonsensical.

@vgngolley341

8 ай бұрын

@@lProN00bl Exactly, Finn maybe a hormonal teenager but he is also a hero. Why in the hell would he intentionally let his Girlfriend attack Ice King and potentially get seriously hurt?

@mysticdigital5936

8 ай бұрын

​@@vgngolley341He's a hhero, but he is a teen. Remember that he'd already ruined the sanctity of Wizard Battle just for a kiss from PB by this point. And Jake is great but his advice is very bad at times. It did feel out of nowhere, but it's not really out of character

@vgngolley341

8 ай бұрын

@@mysticdigital5936 To be fair, he did do it to stop Ice King, who was cheating and Abrecadaniel went back on his word. Also, yeah, I don’t know why people solely blame Finn for this since Jake was the one who gave him the advice to do it

@ThiccFurryBoi34

8 ай бұрын

@@vgngolley341what’s even worse is the fact this was all destiny with the cosmic owl possibly breaking them up so Fp can accomplish her destiny and be flame queen and why Finn and fp don’t go together it sucks how writers have to do that to get them to break up a great couple

Finn and Duncan made mistakes but at least they were just immature teenagers who were thinking with their hormones instead of their brains. At least they weren’t a grown man in his 20s who interrupted his friend’s wedding to complain about his dating life.

@skyr5247

8 ай бұрын

That shit was wild and rewatching the ep at muscle man's wedding is painful

@luigigx1172

8 ай бұрын

I don’t get why people are using that as an argument against Mordecai when he himself doesn’t show that much maturity in the show

@mrreyes5004

8 ай бұрын

@@luigigx1172 That's the exact problem: Mordecai doesn't show much maturity. That IS the argument against Mordecai. Both Finn and Duncan were immature, but that's because they were TEENAGERS and are therefore meant to be immature (it does not excuse their relationship mistakes, but still). Meanwhile, Mordecai is an immature simp despite the fact that he is a grown-ass man in his 20's. He has zero excuse to be so stupid, especially when he has more experienced friends like Skips and Muscle Man trying to advise him.

@luigigx1172

8 ай бұрын

@@mrreyes5004 but wasn't the whole point that Mordecai and Rigby are adults that still act like teens stuck in a dead end job with neater of them knowing what they want to do with their lives.

@mrreyes5004

8 ай бұрын

@@luigigx1172If that's the point (which I don't think it is), then the point is still the problem. Adults who act like teens are inherently dislikeable pricks. And again, I reckon that WASN'T the point considering that Rigby actually got his act together when it came to Eileen, and he earned a better rep with fans. Meanwhile, Mordecai deserves his bad reputation as "Simpecai" all these years later because he fumbled it that stupidly. Saying "it's the whole point" is both incorrect AND if it was correct then the point is still the problem.

Definitely Mordecai or Mako. It was 15 year old Finn's first relationship and Jake always gave terrible advice. Courtney was abusive without remorse to Duncan and overall I blame the writing for that. Ok now that you went over Mako, WHAT MAKO DID IN LYING TO KORRA WHO HAS AMMISA, is just so much more fucked up to me(on a relationship trust level) then what Finn did to Flame Princess in creating fake beef for like a day. Mako is lucky Korra didn't give him the Flame Princess treatment herself.

@poweroffriendship2.0

8 ай бұрын

I thought Duncan is some kind of jerk at first, but he still has the heart of gold inside, even for a goth standard.

@JJismyusername

8 ай бұрын

Someone stole your comment :/

@fanaticalistic

8 ай бұрын

​@@JJismyusernameThanks for telling me, though in the long run it has more likes than mine and the couple minutes of difference in the time posted won't be noticed in an hour.... Welp, it is what it is 🧋

@despacito2384

8 ай бұрын

​​@@fanaticalistic It sucks to have your comment getting stolen by some comment bot and claim it as their own just to get more attentions. Not only it's malicious to copy-paste comments, but it also devaluing the original OP like you. I hope the guy who stole your comment (@Reimbreiker_lychec9257) might delete it as soon as he got caught red handed.

@TheRibottoStudios

8 ай бұрын

we don't talk about the shipping drama BS from LOK IN THIS HOUSE. Bryke loves love triangles, they tried it once with Zutara vs Kataang, and they saw how the fandom reacted to that, and REALLY THOUGHT "yeah let's have THAT be the FOCUS of season 1 and have ROMANCE permeate the show." i hated the shipping war. It was so bad.

I remember the argument about Finn & Mordicai of who's the biggest simp and I always thought of it being complete bs. Finn is a literal kid with a 3 yearish difference with his love. While Mordicai is full of insecurities and chooses his crush over his best friend in that clock episode.

@philly_sports1558

8 ай бұрын

And Finn at 17 at the end of the show was way more mature about his love life than Mordo ever was in his 20s. It was also implied that he’s been in a long term but chill relationship with Huntress Wizard too.

@starterking

8 ай бұрын

803 yearish but actual ages as a joke aside yeah.

@tarotsushima3332

8 ай бұрын

I remember that episode that Mordecai got into a depressive slump after he thought Margaret was getting married and Benson told him he had no right to be sad bc he never made a concrete move until it was too late and yeah, he was right. Honestly I think Mordecai's attraction to Margaret was very shallow and unfortunately that also has to deal with Margaret's writing as well(In the early seasons all she was was the hot chick who was constantly unavailable at the worst time) Just wish Mordecai pulling a Mordecai in a wedding didn't shelf one of the best female characters in the show.

@PipeGuy64Bit

8 ай бұрын

God that argument was so gross. I only watched like half of the show so I don't know everything that happens but Princess Bubblegum took advantage of Finn's crush on her constantly.

@HazzyFcrazy

8 ай бұрын

Why are you acting like rigby didn’t have that coming? Rigby terrible bruh is that really your friend?

When it comes to fumbling, nobody is worse than Mordecai. He’s the king of relationship stupidity

@FlightX101

8 ай бұрын

You simply cant top what he did at the wedding. Imagine doing that in real life LMAO......you would be cooked for eternity

@Devestator707

8 ай бұрын

Mordecai's mess is the reason I skipped parts of season 6. It was like he was developing backwards. The reintroduction of Margaret served no real purpose but to remove CJ. Who had better chemistry with the main group.

@noobmasterruben5167

8 ай бұрын

Agreed. The writers ruined Mordecai's relationship so hard that I refuse to watch the first 3 seasons of this show ever again

@nbabackcourtmedia

8 ай бұрын

@@noobmasterruben5167 it’s not bad enough to where I don’t watch the season but I definitely don’t watch the love centered episodes as much

@noobmasterruben5167

8 ай бұрын

@nbabackcourtmedia i mean good 4 U. But Mordecai messing up both girls just made me done with this show becoz I would stay tuned for this show back in my high school days only for it to not end up with Mordecai and CJ and thats so disappointing

Mordecai, no doubt. Cringed so hard on his journey

@iamjustheretomakechillvide2234

8 ай бұрын

Real 😔

It was definitely the writing that ruined Duncan. The writers and creators at Toon TV wanted Courtney and Duncan to stay together, but the executives at Cartoon Network wanted Gwen and Duncan to be together and Toon TV had to appease the American Distributors. In the end, neither side won.

@gummilatte1618

8 ай бұрын

Oh that makes a lot of sense actually

@BearSmoothie

8 ай бұрын

I still shipped Courtney and Duncan because in season one they just complimented each other so well

@rainydays6675

8 ай бұрын

Ngl I kinda didn't like Courtney and she always came off as controlling. I also hated how Gwen was attacked in the show but not Duncan or Courtney

@BearSmoothie

8 ай бұрын

@@rainydays6675 In season one Courtney wasn’t as evil as she was in other seasons and I hated both Gwen and Duncan

@rainydays6675

8 ай бұрын

@@BearSmoothie I hate Courtney because she was always controlling. I do agree that she wasn't as controlling in season one but she was still annoying. Plus she did Scott dirty in season 5.

Mako was honestly so shit on by the writers, it feels like they were trying to show the fans a kind of weird what if Zutara was canon scenario, but Mako had no other real character development or depth than just being a bad boy love interest and that's such a let down. I was really excited to see how his character would progress, and was so disappointed.

@valentinkambushev4968

8 ай бұрын

Considering how much the creators hate Zutara (I heard one of them mocked a child publicly over a Zutara fan art), I wouldn't be surprised if they made Korra x Mako toxic as a way to show Zutara fans the finger.

@user-rf9co2ge7l

8 ай бұрын

Not surprising

@shireenrazak7160

8 ай бұрын

​@@valentinkambushev4968that's very💀

@coreyholt6145

8 ай бұрын

@@valentinkambushev4968 Where did you hear that?

@valentinkambushev4968

8 ай бұрын

@@coreyholt6145 I don't remember. Honestly, I don't know if it's true, and to be honest, I take the story with a grain of salt.

Mordecai pretty much outranked every cartoon characters in terms of messy relationship. The Internet knows and never forget that he's a living embodiment of a "simp", let alone the fact that he literally killed his best friend by pushing him off from the microwave.

@riotron1026

8 ай бұрын

I think Modercai getting dunked on has become so commonplace that’s it’s just most people’s default go to take at this point. Yes romantic life was quite messy as everyone is quick to point out but to call him the king of simps is a bit much, considering Finn literally stole a piece of hair for PB and cried himself to sleep in front of a shrine dedicated to her. To me that’s more “simp” like behavior than anything Mordecai has ever done. And the him killing Rigsby thing…Multiple people killed Rigby and he had it coming. Rigby was a notorious asshole and I’m surprised more people don’t mention how awful he was in the earlier seasons.

@reallyoriginalname1221

8 ай бұрын

​@@riotron1026yeah but finn was also like 12-14 and princess bubblegum was a full adult manipulating him. Mordicai was a full grown adult with a job who pays taxes

@POP-nm1ix

8 ай бұрын

The microwave thing pales in comparison when you compare it to what past seasons Rigby used to do.

@austinbridges518

8 ай бұрын

"He killed his best friend by pushing him off of a microwave." sounds very odd out of context.

@AnonDudeBro

8 ай бұрын

@@riotron1026the reason why people don’t clown on Rigby’s behavior from earlier seasons is because Mordecai was only a inch from being as bad as him. Both of them early on did pretty bad things to each other, but only Rigby’s ever get brought up against him.

Mordecai is definitely the worst. If only because rather than being a confused teenager who just didn’t have a role model or the right role model in the picture to guide him through it, Mordecai is surrounded by other more emotionally responsible men who try to push him over the hurdle, and is himself an adult. It’s actually very interesting rewatching the series as an adult and seeing all the other characters try to be gentle about letting him know he’s being weird until Benson finally calls him out for not having a right to be emotional over it because he wasn’t acting right.

@joseguadalupemartineztorre9702

7 ай бұрын

Hell, it could be argued that Rigby was a less emotionally responsible man that STILL tried to push him into doing the right thing. Rigby was even more negligent with his actions but even he knew that dating meant maturing. I'll even argue that Mordecai being so stupid with his emotions made Rigby mature faster in his emotions and purposely keep his relationship with Eileen a secret just so Mordecai wouldn't burn that relationship to the ground too. Rigbys worst traits, according to Eileen: being selfish, ignoring her choices, and hiding secrets. And in 1 season, Rigby fixes all of that. Mordecai never got over being weird and over thinking until the series end

I would’ve included Trent. He’s not the worst fumbler but he deserves being a contender. What’s more insulting for Trent is how he stopped existing after the break up.

@santaclara6112

8 ай бұрын

It's been over a decade, but I'm still pissed at what the writers did to Gwen and Trent. They were my favorite couple in TDI, and the writers had to go and mess it up.

@justjoannak

8 ай бұрын

This is who I was thinking of

@BearSmoothie

8 ай бұрын

Facts Gwen and Trent were so cute WHY MAKE TRENT CRAZY!?

@Android-Twenty-One

8 ай бұрын

​@@BearSmoothieI say blame the executives on CN and not the writers. It's clear that Duncan x Cortney, Gwen x Trent were meant to be together but since CN wanted Duncan x Gwen, they needed to find a reason to break up both parties.

@BearSmoothie

8 ай бұрын

@@Android-Twenty-One IKR!? LIKE WHYY

Mordicai is the only one who has a term coined about how much he fumbled the bag

@mangaanimefan3089

6 ай бұрын

He does? What's it called?

@fangjui10

5 ай бұрын

@@mangaanimefan3089pulling a mordecai

Finn and Duncan are kids. Their fumbles are excusable Mordecai is a grown adult.

@langadube9611

8 ай бұрын

Pretty sure Duncan was like 18 or 19 in All stars if the timeline had been kept consistent.

@TotalAnalyst2

8 ай бұрын

​@@langadube9611yeah but Mordecai was 25 which is when the mind is fully developed

@ordinarylittlebastard3248

8 ай бұрын

@@langadube9611 Yeah, but if you watched Total Drama you KNOW they give zero fucks about consistency

@bjaxon

8 ай бұрын

​@@TotalAnalyst2Mordecai is actually 23

Finn and Duncan are stupid teenagers, meanwhile Mordecai is a grown ass adult who decided to make his troubles with love EVERYONE’S problem and Mako fumbled so hard, his two exes hooked up and everyone prefers them together

Every day I thank Dana that she didn’t put any of this nonsense in the Owl House. I know some people love the drama; but having healthy relationships in kids cartoons has been sorely lacking.

@Ermmmuhh

8 ай бұрын

Nah it’s not dana. Kids cartoon rules were less strict back then meaning adult jokes can be added owlhouse is newer which means no,e of this but at the same time it’s her choice I’m pretty sure total drama is qualified bc it’s for more mature audiences

@Adamnunya

8 ай бұрын

Owl house was already in thin ice because of the queerness in it. If they wrote relationship drama into it, chances were people would’ve begun to dislike the show. If the ratings even wavered just a tiny bit, it would’ve been canned way worse than it already was. That’s my 2¢ anyway

@gaaraxnaru

8 ай бұрын

​@ImaginableImagiation That makes zero sense. If anything, things are more loose now, seeing as Dana was able to put queer couples/people actively in it while Korra had to wait until the end. It's definitely Dana's choice not to have relationship drama. If anything, I bet Disney would've lapped it up if there was drama. It's popular content, just look at Miraculous.

@megaedeath8063

8 ай бұрын

@@Ermmmuhh i mean TOH isnt exactly adult joke free, like when King made his speech about his dad and changing his last name to Clawthorne he made a pretty blatant masturbation joke (also Dana herself mentioned how she didnt like the relationship drama these kind of ships had so it was her that made sure Lumity was drama free for the most part)

@megaedeath8063

8 ай бұрын

@@Adamnunya wasn't on thin ice from its queerness, it got canceled cause TV ratings weren't doing that well despite it doing really well on all other platforms. Adding relationship drama wouldn't speed up that outcome as they were already fighting a losing battle with TV ratings despite their performance otherwise, theres a reason that when Disney realized how popular it actually was they proceeded to milk the final season for all they can get out of it

Also Mordecai for sure is the biggest one who fumbled more times than I could count

@philly_sports1558

8 ай бұрын

I remember getting so angry at him during the Christmas party episode when he kissed Margaret in front of CJ and going “BRO WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT?????”

@rileyanthony

8 ай бұрын

@@philly_sports1558it was the high jacking of one his friend’s weddings is what made me take notes from Mordecai on not what to do in a relationship

In a 1v1 on fumbling, always bet on Mordecai. Not just because of how he fumbled but because of what he did after the fumbling. The sweater episode and DumpTown USA are his worst. Finn was a 14/15 year-old influenced by outside factors+ he recovered and learned from his massive mistake and still admitted it was his. Every living creature warned Mordecai before he fumbled and he still did it.

@ramondee2074

8 ай бұрын

It's not Rebound Island. I think you're thinking of DumpTown USA.

@viktorzahariev2485

8 ай бұрын

​@@ramondee2074yes, thank you!

@tanandalynch9441

8 ай бұрын

Multiple times mind you. That said it's in character for Mordecai and he grew eventually. Mako never did .

@viktorzahariev2485

8 ай бұрын

@@tanandalynch9441 Mako just stopped trying after season 2 so he never fumbled again. Mordecai made the same mistakes multiple times before he learnt from them. I agree Mako's bad, but I'm still giving it to Mordecai.

@tanandalynch9441

8 ай бұрын

@@viktorzahariev2485 Mordecai eventually grew and changed. Same can't be said for Mako who just didn't bother again.

When I was younger, I was invested in seeing most of these cartoon couples together until the end. But now that I'm older, I grew tired of it after realising these relationships wasn't worth it because maybe the writers behind it probably took a different turn. - I watched Korra's love triangle and I thought it was pointless! - Mordecai was a simp and barely made a move on Margaret, which even frustrated me when CJ came into the picture and he screwed up that relationship too! - I'm not a huge fan of Total Drama, so...

@atilamaldonado8944

8 ай бұрын

I Honestly never paid that much attention to what Finn did whit Flame princess when i was much younger but looking back at whit all the other characters mention in this video.......😬 yeah

@stryke-jn3kv

8 ай бұрын

>I watched Korra's love triangle and I thought it was pointless! The problem was that it was a rather blatant/desperate attempt to recapture the lightning in a bottle that was Zutara, and it showed. Oh man did it show.

@zillagrilla315

8 ай бұрын

@@stryke-jn3kv I believe most of the story problems in Legend of Korra were the short seasons. The Last Airbender had twenty episode seasons, allowing the characters to grow closer to one another and develop as people first before relationships started to form. While Legend of Korra seasons had twelve episodes, meaning every relationship was rushed. Another thing is I don't believe Mako was a fumbler. His relationship with Asami was doomed to fail because of the writing on the wall. However, in season 2, he was forced to make a choice to support his girlfriend's decision to escalate the Civil War going on or prevent more lives from being wasted. I think Mako made the right call given all the information he had at the time.

To be fair, the creators wanted Courtney and Duncan to stay together, but the executives completely torpedoed that idea along with Gwen and Trent resulting in that train wreck.

No one can top Mordecai. He's the definiton of fumbled

Mako fumbled so hard that BOTH of his exes hooked up at the end of the series

@awsomewaver

3 ай бұрын

Bro honestly he fumbled so hard im sure a referee cant even call that cause they are laughing too hard

Duncan and Mako both sound like problems with the writers. Finn was a kid in the apocalypse with no proper role models, a cosmic being in his dreams and hormones guiding his way. Mordecai may be consistent, but that doesn't make what he did less shitty, and he's a fully grown adult living in modern day society where he should have absolutely known what he was doing was shit. Everyone else was literally telling mordecai to get a move on, giving him advice and he kept screwing himself over. It's absolutely Mordecai.

I'm surprised Jake doesn't get called out since he was kinda the reason why Finn and Flame Princess broke up in the first place. Yes Finn screwed up but Jake was the one that pushed him into doing something stupid when he could've told Finn not to do anything that he may regret

@LoneWolf20213

3 ай бұрын

the video mentioned this, and at best, the blame isn't solely Finn's

I feel like the fact Mako got relegated to team bitch is more about the writing than the fumble. Basically every season of Korra was written like it was the last one, because they thought it would be, so any potential to give him growth afterwards got shot before it could even start.

It's true. Being a fumbler isn't a competition, It may be a common trope for guys in cartoons to mess up the good relationships they had be it accidental or on purpose. But sadly that's just how some mistakes are made, I mean even in real life relationships get messed up every day because you sadly don't go anywhere in life without ruining a relationship or two.

With Finn, you can tell that he grew with each relationship he had. He's a kid, he's growing up, obviously he's going to fuck up big time every so often.

I think Mordecai was the biggest fumbler because his was so well written. As you said, Finn's just came out of nowhere and Duncan was just terribly written. But Mako I would argue became so less note because the writers couldn't think of things. They rather write Mako out of the way instead of giving him things to do. Meanwhile Mordecai never really got resolution with CJ, which at least Mako got with Korra and the comics continuing the story. Sure, Mordecai definitely recovered writing wise. But that's because they didn't give him a relationship until the end of the series where he can't screw things up anymore.

Mordecai fumbled so hard, he only ever got some off screen

@jonmcknight18

8 ай бұрын

And she wasn't even named

@POP-nm1ix

8 ай бұрын

​@InevitableOption-ic2vxWhen did they say that?

I'd like to argue Korra also had a small fumble. Not even comparable to mako but still. Bolin, was right there. He was into her. He's a beast AND has the personality of a puppy. And she threw that away for...less hot diet Zuko with no depth or Dante Basco voice??? Who in their right mind?!

@jubileebaby0

7 ай бұрын

Damn, I didn't even think about that... I was so young when the show came out 😅

@shinstantramen5169

7 ай бұрын

It's not a fumble if she was never into him. Now, Bolin almost fumbled Opal but thank God he got it together before it was too late!

@bluecanine3374

7 ай бұрын

I honestly think it is just part of a bias in writing relationships in media in general, that Korra and Bolin worled too well as friends. I'm not talking real life, but in writing, if the two in a couple are "opposites attract" then you can play off that easier in interactions, showing hoth how they complement each other and how they differ. They showed Korra and Bolin having a similar sense of humor, sensibilities, being completely relaxed around each other, only difference is Bolin avoided conflict and Korra was stubborn. They could have played into that perhaps, but having Mako who would butt heads with her and counter her with his serious demeanor seemed like it would be better to write. Of course nothing is exact, you can argue other interpretations and this is just my experience. Feel free to disagree. Personally I would have liked Korra and Bolin too (Korra frustrated by her airbender training and equalists being met with Bolin who would always try to be positive and supportive, maybe even showing her force isn't always the answer and her helping him learn to stand up for himself)

@jahkrmusic

3 ай бұрын

Dont forget Bolin even becomes a world renown movie star.

@pussydestroyer69285

2 ай бұрын

True but she never liked him. Rejecting someone doesn’t rlly mean fumble but idk tho

Mordecai dropped the ball and it was the most uncomfortable I'd ever seen. But as stated, it was the culmination of unresolved character flaws. Mako on the other hand, chose to double down on his worst traits. That amnesia scene was so foul that everybody in that room was ashamed and giving him the side eye. Great video.

I think Mordecai is the worst - because everything he did was sooo painfully in character. It didn’t feel contrived on the part of the writers as compared to the others, and while I think that makes his recovery so great it’s also why I think he fumbled the hardest. It felt the most real which hits harder I think

When I got COVID, I marathoned all of the seasons of Total drama. I was so disappointed in how Duncney ended the way it did because they had a good dynamic 😭

Finn was 15 when she was dating FP and he matured a lot by the end. He understands what he did wrong and regretted it. He's also canonically tied to Huntress Wizard in every universe so he still has game too. His crush to Bubblegum was misplaced, she was his boss and that was final. He can't fumble a relationship if the girl isn't even interested in men. Duncan was an edgy lost child and a lot of his actions were drama / rating related. He also wasn't a good partner to being with. Mordecai fumbled two relationships without learning anything from it. He didn't grow at all and I'm surprized he even married someone by the end. Bro seemed like that one friend who ends up focusing on his career after getting traumatized from bad relationships.

@ryanregala948

8 ай бұрын

Agreeable on Finn, and definitely Mordecai. Duncan while he wasn't a good partner, you could argue that Courtney and Gwen were debatably just as bad as partners. Courtney kinda bossed him around to much and tried to change him, and Gwen just flat out ignored him for Courtney. Overall, I agree that Mordecai sucked as a partner, but so did CJ and Margaret.

Finn dropping a whole song after BP rejected him was worth it, ngl

@ThiccFurryBoi34

8 ай бұрын

When did Bp do that you mean fp or flame princess right cause last I check finn was smooching her in the party in his hoe phase

@nicoleflores2054

8 ай бұрын

​@@ThiccFurryBoi34i'm pretty sure he's talking about the episode when he sings the song "Gummed all up inside", same episode when Flame princess was first appeared

If Mako had game instead of just looks he could have finessed a throuple out of the situation.

@code122

8 ай бұрын

too bad his not the Ultimate Rizzler... hey that could work as a title in Danganronpa XD

@esteban8471

3 ай бұрын

​@@code122The best and worst part about this comment is that kind of ridiculous talent is on brand for Danganronpa.

Finn: A teen that had a good thing, until he got horny and manipulated his flaming bird. Single most deplorable fumble of the four. Duncan: Started off with a nice thing with Courtney until she became a controlling with, but he still wanted her attention even when dating another girl and she didn’t want anything to do with him anymore. Duncan was screwed by the writers. Mordecai: Had fumble after fumble after fumble, and then then wedding scene. And while it was bad, it was sort of on brand for him. And he eventually recovered……. Eventually. But his reputation with fans and audiences is still tarnished to a degree. Mako: His fumble was of course the most avoidable, and he was left as the bottom of Team Avatar 2.0 for the rest of the series.

@ey3z4ya

8 ай бұрын

Yeah but what finn did is totally on brand for an immature kid his age, so I think calling it deplorable is a reach

@noobmasterruben5167

8 ай бұрын

I can defend Finn the Human since he's the youngest among all of them and was not taught about relationships while Mordecai's will they-wont they, not only made me hate him but also after seeing the ending made me NEVER see early seasons again

Out of pocket pick. I think the biggest relationship fumble in cartoons is Marco Diaz. Bro was selfish, he wanted to have it all with Star and adventures and civilian life and Jackie. This mentality also caused him to lose out on Kelly AND Hecapoo. Now I know what you're thinking "dawg Marco got to keep Star". Fam Star literally has fleas (she doesn't wash), she's impulsive spends 50% of the show being a racist, and causes one of the biggest genocides in cartoon history. The guy had the choice of three fire chicks, lost all of them by being a flake and somehow managed to make the magical princess from another dimension seem like a step down!

@tanandalynch9441

8 ай бұрын

What's worse is that the creator of the show intended that to happen too. Like we genuinely thought he wasn't going to be with Star after the blood moon curse was lifted, and suddenly they're a thing? I would've accepted him being with ponyhead or Tom over star by that point. S4 really was just bad all around, eclipsa was the only saving grace.

@truthspeeker1

8 ай бұрын

@@tanandalynch9441 Marco getting with Tom would've been revolutionary!

@shinstantramen5169

7 ай бұрын

Marco fumbling Jackie after being in love with her for YEARS Sincerely blew my mind. Star VS really ruined all their ships

@tanandalynch9441

7 ай бұрын

@@shinstantramen5169 On purpose too.

@tanandalynch9441

7 ай бұрын

@@truthspeeker1 Was a better love story than Starco

Thanks for acknowledging Jake and the whole needlessly Cosmic Owl influence in Finn's fumble. I genuinely think that's it's overall objectively terrible writing to get the break up to happen. If I were to change it and still have the break up happen, I'd have Finn do the first manipulation, get the BAD dream, and realize it's wrong there. Feeling guilty, he confesses to FP that he manipulated her the second time. From there, she can still feel betrayed and the break up to happen, but it'd feel more in character for Finn, with all of the blame being solely on him for what he did. That's the lesson right there. He manipulated her once, didn't get the wet dream that he wanted, and paid the price. The whole letter was just overkill, and everything else involving it felt like manipulating him to truly fuck it up in every possible way because that's what the writers wanted.

@ThiccFurryBoi34

8 ай бұрын

Dude he was only egging her in the second one and come on she would most likely scold him for doing that if anything the letters are what broke her trust I would do with them not break up Also wait what second manipulation he only did it twice here well not counting the letters then one since the egging but the first was her decision also the episode has to be 10 minutes long atleast and they could easily have Finn make a cool apology thing to get her back or explain he was having a dream of something and didn’t know how to control it would you be more sincere to Finn he was tortured by a dream

I'm giving it to Mako, just because I remember what happened with the others, and while it was hazy and incomplete, I remembered. With Mako, it was only a vibe in which I didn't like him, and when you recapped him, I didn't remember, I had flashbacks to how bad this man fumbled. So Mako

@tanandalynch9441

8 ай бұрын

See at least with Duncan/Finn they were teens and you can argue that Duncan, like Finn and Mordecai, did grow and change. Mako never learned from it.

Ill add this to the Mako stuff. Korra and Asami both admitted that they both made mistakes as well and put him in an impossible situation. I do agree with this because Korra and Asami continued to make it difficult to choose, Asami's Jealousy ontop of Korra's stubborness. Additionally, Korra losing her memories is was something he was put on the spot for and he didn't know what to do, attempting to spare her feelings. Yeah he fumbled the bag but her overcame it afterwards, recovering pretty quick from it all. Korra shouldve been with Bolin tbh With Mako being with Asami. It would have worked pretty well from a narrative standpoint. I wouldn't say he became irrelevant as he was still played a few important roles. I still think mordecai objectively was worse. Mako, was a result of a bunch of bad situations. I can understand not wanting to stress the Avatar, especially with context that they needed to focus on stopping the end of the world.

@tanandalynch9441

8 ай бұрын

Telling her "hey we broke up" especially with his actual gf right there probably wouldn't have upset Korra too much. Korra still would've saved the world.

@terrakage4462

8 ай бұрын

@@tanandalynch9441 not saying it was the correct decision but I see where he is coming from. All the main cast of team avatar have a pretty skewed view of the world or it’s people. That includes Mako. While he excels at street smarts and upholding the law, he sucks at actual relationships and even friendships tend to be tense. I don’t know how korra would’ve reacted. Imo she’d be devastated that she suddenly wasn’t with him anymore and couldn’t figure out why. Considering that their breakup was pretty explosive, I think that’s fair. Though I do wish he told her.

@klutzmtg2310

8 ай бұрын

LoK in general is a TERRIBLY written series. There was so much potential and it was handled like piss. Korra especially sucked.

@terrakage4462

8 ай бұрын

@@klutzmtg2310 i wouldn’t say that. I think it’s well written. Season 2 being poorly written is true. But to me, none of the other seasons/books are bad. I love them all, especially book 3. But agree to disagree on this. I’m sure you’ve heard the counter arguments and so have I. I think Korra is a underrated series with good writing. Only bad parts I acknowledge are the love nonsense, book 2 as a whole, some characters being underdeveloped, and maybe a few nitpicks on season 1.

@TeddyMacSoFly

8 ай бұрын

@@tanandalynch9441I don’t wanna tell someone with direct contact with the likes of Yang-Chen and Kyoshi that we broke up right after her spiritual journey/destruction of my office. Yeah I would’ve treaded lightly too, or at least talked to Asami/Korra right after.

Either Finn or Mako. It takes a certain special kind of fumbling to get both your exes to date each other EDIT: I misunderstood Finn's relationship to Marceline. That being said....the argument about Finn stands after learning what he did to the flame princess

@darianclark3980

8 ай бұрын

Mordecai killed Rigby over jealousy and his fumbling! I don't know how you top that.

@floricel_112

8 ай бұрын

@@darianclark3980 this isn't about who's the worse person overall. This is strictly about who screwed up their romantic relationships the worst

@darianclark3980

8 ай бұрын

@floricel_112 I'd still say Mordecai. He had the most chances compared to everyone on the list and still managed to choke every opportunity, especially being already in a relationship.

shoutout to asami for clearly never blaming korra for kissing her man during her amnesia- and shout out to amnesia for being the love-triangle plot point in every bad writing situation

I feel like Mordecai was the worst fumbler. What Finn and Duncan did do suck, but they were still teenagers at the time, and we all know that teens tend to be impulsive. Plus Finn ended up giving a genuine apology in the end which helped him and FP be friends again. But Mordecai was a grown man. He should’ve known that juggling two relationships at once would be a crummy idea. And that speech at the wedding was…eugh. He could’ve at least done it in private.

@kaffka9221

8 ай бұрын

"Age is just a number, maturity is a choice" -Harry Styles

@Hickory958

7 ай бұрын

​@@kaffka9221Correction: Age is just experience. Maturity is a choice.

@kaffka9221

7 ай бұрын

@@Hickory958 "You cannot deny a quote"

@Hickory958

7 ай бұрын

@@kaffka9221 Correction: You can not deny connotation.

Finn's case was demonstrably worse than Mordechai at his worst imo but Finn immediately regretted it. It was a spike but it allowed him to grow into the mature person he needed to be. Mordechai is going down a very slow escalator. You got to the end, feel deeply unsatisfied with the speed, and while you were stuck there the best you could make of it is that there could have been worse...maybe. Hes the most consistent fumbler. Duncan's a troll, too much for his own good. And Mako was simply too irrelevant in terms of late Korra.

@damienthonk1506

8 ай бұрын

Folks need to get off of Finn's ass. He was like 14 when that happened

@DJPrimeAmvs

8 ай бұрын

@@damienthonk1506 a fumble is a fumble and he could've gotten Flame Princess killed just to get his rocks off

@damienthonk1506

8 ай бұрын

@@DJPrimeAmvs "A fumble is a fumble" girl comparing something a little ass boy did to these grown men who KNEW what they were doing is not the look 💀 Was it fucked up? Yeah but he wasn't being malicious and he was told to do that by his older brother because he literally thought it was an action of cosmic significance. Finn, the _child,_ was told to do that by a father figure who assumed that getting Flame Princess and Ice King to fight was, and I cannot stress this enough, the will of God. How is that even a little comparable to Mordecai's grown ass stopping a wedding to look like a tool??? Be so fr

@justnoob8141

8 ай бұрын

@@DJPrimeAmvsblame Cosmic Owl, he’s the one that make Finn fumble

@CreationsFlare

8 ай бұрын

@damienthonk1506 Finn also knows how weird and funky Jake can get at times; he is as wise of a father figure to as chaotic as he can get. It wasn't OOC for early Finn to react the way he did during the saga either. It was absolutely a fumble a teen would make and implying Finn almost didn't get FP or IK killed in the interaction is dumb when that and the breaking of trust is what drove FP away. But what makes Finn better than Mordechai is the fact that he actually grew from it. Also the wedding wasn't stopped, Muscle Man and Carla still got married. It was just awkwardly halted for cringe. Mordechai himself is unresolved adolescent cringe. He should know better, but through the absurdity of Regular show, its dragged to the extreme and it makes sense that his cringe is labeled "A Mordechai".

I still can't believe people thought Morty should be on here, especially over Planetina. Dude freed her from captors who wanted to sell her to someone who literally only wanted her so that he could torture her with his antienvironmentalism and then had the maturity to end the relationship himself when it became clear they couldn't continue together in a healthy way. Morty was practically a role model in that episode

Biggest fumbler was Alvin. Brittany had a crush on him because he stood up to bullies for her, and she starts acting super nice to him. Alvin, being Alvin, jumps to the conclusion that she's been probed by aliens. This gives Brittany the icky wicky, and her crush dies.

I raise you an even bigger fumbler than Mako… Mr. Peanutbutter from Bojack Horseman. Refuses to learn his lesson that he actually needs to listen to his partner with three different wives, resulting in three divorces. Then, cheats on his current girlfriend Pickles with one of his ex wives TWICE and then instead of confessing his mistake , proposes to her. And THEN When he finally confesses to Pickles and the two figure out a way to mend the relationship he ultimately loses her to…himself.

I actually like that Duncan end up with nobody. Its a good lesson to teach, that when you don't properly end a relationship you'll end up damaging your next one.

@ordinarylittlebastard3248

8 ай бұрын

True, but fumbling Gwuncan was also on Gwen as well if we want to be fair. Her focus was solely on Courtney the entire season, even when Duncan was trying to keep the relationship going, she only came to him when it was conevnient to her and she was more focused on trying to prove she was still worthy of being called a good person than actually keeping the guy she kept pining over in Season 3.

@omarmansuri7099

8 ай бұрын

@@ordinarylittlebastard3248 Honestly I just blame all-stars. They fumbled everyone so hard in that season. I think the only character who benefitted was Scott, who turned to out to be pretty likable when not the villain.

Everybody is saying Mordecai, which I can’t disagree as not only is his name in-universe is a noun for his fumbling but there is even a special edition Blu-Ray dedicated to all his fuck ups. Though amazed Marco Diez isn’t on the list, especially knowing how infamous Star vs. The Forces of Evil is when it comes to shipping (seriously he fumbled with three girls who were perfect for him and end up with the one who is better off as a platonic friend).

@devontaswirl7507

6 ай бұрын

How did Marco fumble again, I know about the Jackie one, but who are the other two

@BigK13372

6 ай бұрын

@@devontaswirl7507 Heckapoo and Kelly. Like the former he actually developed a pretty long relationship with during his time in the Neverzone. The latter he related to the most in regards to their respective break-ups to partners they been pinning for. Like I get what the writers is going for in having Star and Marco as the end game given the Best Friend Turn Lovers trope, but honestly the two really are better off having a platonic relationship and Marco do have better chemistry with the other girls (and guy if we include Tom pushing the fumble to four now).

Finns gets somewhat of a pass due to his age, as he was like, 14 when he screwed things up with FP and like you say, part of that was because his older brother who is IN a happy relationship gave him terrible advice and didn't correct him when he saw Finn about to screw the pouch. Of course, that was still his choice and his L but he did get better for it even if I personally think it would have been funny as hell if he never messed things up and we saw future timelines where he and FP somehow had kids. NGL, I barely remember how bad things for with Duncan and Total Drama. I liked the show, watched basically every season, but I don't recall most of it. Mordecai tho...he's the king of screwing things up. Marco might have been a nothing character who the writers had no clue what to do with other then bad romance drama, but Mordecai was BUILT out of bad romance management. There is a reason why is the king when it comes to messing up.

May i mention that the episode 'Hoots' completly kills Frost and Fire too since PB's corrupted dream became reality just because Cosmic Owl was there, meaning Finn literally had no free will to think he didn't want to do that (Also making Jake's influence irrelevant since it would have happened anyways)

If we're gonna talk about Finns manipulation and abusing of other folk, which he totally did, are we really not gonna talk about how PB has him beat in those aspects ☠️

@DJPrimeAmvs

8 ай бұрын

Yeah they weren't in a relationship though

@tanandalynch9441

8 ай бұрын

This is a video about relationships specifically. PB and her nonsense can make up a good 3-4 hour long video by itself

... People can be impulsive but at any point at the wedding speech, with everyone telling him to shut up, Mordecai should have realized it wasnt great. Also, he acts surprised at the consecuences. And he is an adult.

Do u think the whole Mordecai/Margret situation would’ve played out better if just one of them even SUGGESTED long distance?

Total Drama on your channel?! Dream come true! I would die of happines if you made more TD vids ;D

6:22 So what you’re saying is, Finn fumbled the biggest cartoon fumble in history, so we could have rubfphire/garnet. Lmao

I actually think what happened to Duncan makes actual sense. Courtney had traumatized the criminal. She wanted to change him and was beyond violent and manipulative to him. It really makes you wonder who the real criminal is. When your partner writes a 30+ page essay on what you need to change to be worthy of being in a relationship, constantly kicks you in your manhood, screams at you constantly, and puts you down at every turn, you would both want to leave that relationship and yet being too scared to. When you're constantly in an on again off again relationship and can't seem to escape it, the only way to officially seal the deal is to prove that you're no longer in the relationship. And to him, a criminal and generally proud of his terribleness, that answer was cheating. He was out of the toxic relationship, had a girlfriend who loved him, and no longer had to please Courtney. But it's never that simple. For as long as Courtney is around, Duncan's gonna keep having those memories. He's gonna remember all the things she wanted to change about him and everything she had done to him. When he said "Do you think she was watching," that was a traumatic response. Courtney gave that man PTSD. Abuse, verbal and physical, will do that to a man. He was scared of Courtney, and he wanted to prove to himself that he was over her. I don't blame Gwen for breaking up with him, but Duncan did deserve to talk this out with someone. Maybe Zoey? Her bf also has trauma issues, maybe she knows how to help Duncan with his. Duncan isn't really a fumbler. He's a victim. A victim who suffered a traumatic response.

@benderreviewsgg7882

7 ай бұрын

This is the worst take on their relatioship I've ever heard.

@Zoroarkarceus123

7 ай бұрын

@@benderreviewsgg7882 How? How have I misconstrued anything that happened that badly? Are you gonna say "it's just a cartoon, calm down"? I really hope not. For the record, I really hope I didn't imply that Duncan is a saint when he isn't. He clearly goads her at the start and tries to get her to rebel. He isn't exactly nice either. But there's nothing that he does that's abusive, while there's many, MANY examples of Courtney being abusive and controlling. So tell me. Why is this take the worst?

@benderreviewsgg7882

7 ай бұрын

​@@Zoroarkarceus123 Duncan and Courtney's relatioship is very complex but still good, and was ruined by bad writing and network interferance. Real life reasons: Courtney and Duncan as a characters were literaly created to be a couple on a show! If network interferance didn't happened they would have stayed as a couple as show creators always wanted to do. Also yes it is a cartoon! A comedic cartoon at that. Where there's a lot of physical comedy and pain is played for laughs. All the characters on the show are supposed to exxagurated stereotypes of teenagers from mid 2000s. You seem to be taking their relatioship too literaly and at face value. And yeah, you kinda forgot to mention in original comment that Duncan is your typical high school bully with juvie record and not an angel by any means. As for abuse and manipulation what kind of abuse are we talking about? Courtney hits him in the balls 2 or 3 times throughout their relatioship, yes. But only when he aggravates her so much she can't take it anymore. He instigated her hitting him every time she did. Also he himself throughout season 2 states multiple times that he loves girls with a ton of attitude like Courtney. He is shown to be turned on when she acts and talks tough. In season 2 we see multiple times when Courtney and Duncan care for each other a lot. She comforts him when his pet spider dies. And Duncan looks out for Courtney and proposes to eliminate Leshawna from the show who is gunning for Courtney at that point. Her letter to him is very bad no doubt about it. But in her head it was a right move to fix their relatioship, she had good intentions but they were executed poorly. They are both 16 year old teens don't you forget. Teens do a lot of stupid shit. And yes she is bossy with him. And Duncan is not an angel at all. In season 3 when Duncan leaves the show it's shown how much Courtney misses him and even admits she made some mistakes in their relatioship. But when Duncan returns he imediately proceeds to cheat on Courtney with Gwen on international tv! If he wanted to, he could have straight up broken up with her, but he decied to cheat on her to see her suffer at that point and used Gwen to do it. When cheating is revealed he doesn't see the reaction he wanted out of Courtney, she didn't beg him to take her back, but rather beat him up which he deserved at this point. So he decides to stick with Gwen as backup option. Duncan then proceeds to help main villain Alejandro to manipulate and abuse emotionally broken Courtney till she is eliminated a few episodes later. When he sees her again in season 5 he once again doesn't get reaction he wanted out of her, she is fine without him, not sad and broken like he wanted to see her. That's when he realizes how badly he screwed up and he still has feeling for her. He spends the rest of the season wanting to get back together with Courtney which can be seen in his actions. That's the reason Gwen dumps him, she realizes Duncan still loves Courtney, and just doesn't care for Gwen herself. So yeah they both screwed up their part of relationship, I'd argue Duncan did more damage though. In the end he ends up in prison for blowing up Chris's mansion, whcih is such a sad and pathetic end for him as a character a he along with Courtney was flanderized by the writers so much...

@Zoroarkarceus123

7 ай бұрын

@@benderreviewsgg7882 Cool, cool. Unfortunately you are mostly wrong. I'll start with the most egregious comment and go from there. Saying "it's just a cartoon, it's not meant to be realistic!" is the most harmful thing you can possibly say about a terrible dynamic in a show. Yes, it's fictional, but it's also something younger audiences will absorb and learn from. Heck, not even just younger audiences. People start to act like what they see when things get normalized. When you normalize abusive behavior, then that tells people that that's okay. Even for comedy, it shouldn't be done. It's the tv equivalent of those "marriage is terrible" boomer comics that depict old people as nothing but miserable sad sacks who hate their spouses. Dismissing it just because it's meant to be funny is dangerous because you can push that goalpost for anything. You can teach kids that acting like a brat will get you rewarded, you can teach teenagers that everything is black and white, and you can teach people that abuse is okay. All because a character is meant to be funny about it. Not even in an "instant karma" kinda way either! Next, I'll say this. Their TDI versions were made to be a couple. And that's fine! It was clear they had a good girl/bad guy dynamic. But it all started once Courtney got eliminated. From the episode about the losers onwards, Courtney pretty much abandons that good girl persona and becomes a spiteful and hateful brat. For solid reasoning, admittedly, but the point is she DOESN'T STOP. Duncan is an actual criminal, but never **once** does he threaten the lives of multiple people in a selfish ambition for money like Courtney did (twice, by the way). Duncan is a pig, a jerk, a sleaze, but even he has lines he wouldn't cross. Also, so much for being a loving girlfriend. Did I mention Duncan was part of the second group Courtney was willing to let die just for 1 million dollars? Because she didn't exclude him from that, by the way. And it's real cute that you summarize her abuse as just kicking him in the balls a few times when she not only was willing to let him die but also: force-fed him human feces in a diaper, wrote a 30 page list on everything he needed to change about himself to be datable, constantly yelled at him, and yes, kicked him in the balls. And that's not even mentioning how he can't even be FRIENDS with Gwen because she's just such a jealous harpy that his life suffers for it. And they're so on-again-off-again that it hurts. Courtney wants the perfect man but also wants someone to control. Boys, when your girl asks you to change literally everything about yourself and limits who you can even interact with, does she really love you? Or does she love the idea of taking someone bad and making them good? Because that's all we see. I get that producers wanted Gwen x Duncan in TDWT, I get that. Truly. But keep in mind that the reason he left in the first place was because of Courtney, and he was very clearly over her by this point. And he was indeed into Gwen. When Courtney found out, Duncan wasn't disappointed or some bullcrap like that. No, he was content with Gwen. And tbh, I'd be too! For literally viewing his life as less valuable than a million dollars, to manipulating him back into a relationship when he DID win the million (he made it clear that it was over between them and he wanted nothing to do with her, only for her to kiss him and have him agree, very disgusting behavior btw), controlling who he can and can't be friends with, I'd say that my take isn't only reasonable, it's the only way to view it. Yeah, Duncan got a pitiful end in All Stars. But it wasn't because he loved Courtney over Gwen. It was because he was mentally unwell and very much scared. Have you seen/heard the panic in his eyes and voice when he asks Gwen if Courtney saw them? Have you seen how panicked and afraid he is practically all season? Why do you think he even had image issues in All Stars in the first place? It's because someone gave him those image issues. An abusive, manipulative, psychopathic ex-girlfriend he clearly still has PTSD over. Courtney. I'll end by saying this. Duncan isn't a good person. He's a liar, a cheater, a manipulator, a sexist, and a bully. He hurt and damaged so many people in the show, especially Harold. But did he deserve to have his life threatened, to be force-fed actual dirty diapers, to stay up sleepless nights memorizing every little thing he needs changed about him, all from a woman who won't even let him be his own person? Duncan isn't a good guy. But that's no excuse to strip away his humanity like she has on countless occasions.

@benderreviewsgg7882

7 ай бұрын

​@@Zoroarkarceus123 You are taking their relationship out of context and also take it too literally. All of it is exaggerated for comedy and drama, plus will-they-or-won't-they romances are always fun to watch. Total Drama was never meant as cartoon that gives real life leasson to kids, It's not Avatar the last airbender! It's comedic cartoon! People like you who take everything literaly, when it's not supposed to be, are what ruins discussions about animated shows like this.

Mordecai killed his best friend over a female. That’s not just a fumble, thats a crime.

@Mr.WestcottX

3 ай бұрын

For real.

“Phhhhh you blew it man” can describe this whole video

Definitely Mordecai or Mako. It was 15 year old Finn's first relationship and Jake always gave terrible advice. Courtney was abusive without remorse to Duncan and overall I blame the writing for that.

@lordpyron3934

8 ай бұрын

Mordecai 100%, Mako's fumbling can be attributed more to the awful romantic rectangle that Korra had written in than his actions themselves to be honest.

@JJismyusername

8 ай бұрын

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@fanaticalistic

8 ай бұрын

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@candlelight5028

8 ай бұрын

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@despacito2384

8 ай бұрын

This bot steals this comment that belongs to @fangi8466. When will you ever learn not to copy-paste someone else's comments?

Mildly surprised that Lotor and Allura from Voltron aren't here too. Love OR hate the ship, the way that it was handled was a MASSIVE rugpull, and it never felt like the series recovered from it, just making bad writing decision after bad writing decision as they kept going and ending on one of the lowest notes in recent memories when it comes to modern cartoons.

Not adding johnny bravo was a huge missed opportunity lol, great video regardless

FINALLY! Someone mentioned how it wasn't all just Finn's fault! Though I still disagree. He acted in fear, irrationally so I don't thing he should be judged for that as hard as most people do. Maybe even not at all. Then again, it doesn't mean that he and Flame Princess could get back togheter again ever

@Amanecer458

8 ай бұрын

He wasn't obligate or they make made the things like he did. He is still responsible

Id like to cast a 5th party vote for one Benjamin Kirby Tennyson. my man landed a tennis star when he was 15 who was so cool that when she found out that he was a walking DNA scrambler she thought it was awsome. Julie put her life on the line for Ben multiple times, and Ben still treated her like garbage consistently. which isnt to put the blame souly on Ben, cause Julie also got hit with the idiot stick, but then again Ben did openly hit on other women alot while dating. and then by OV apperently he broke up with the love of his life over the phone BY ACCIDENT SOMEHOW and she dumped him for a foppy french guy who probably starts every conversation at a bar with "I dont own a telivision set". He then gets a second girl friend in OV who is even cooler and more charming than Julie, and manages to screw that up to. Now the circumstances were finicky here but the long and short of it was that a kid from the future came in and was all like "Hey, im from the future, and you don't marry Ester. Ok Byeeeeeeeee!" So Ben has the perfect oporitunity to sit Ester down and calmly explain to her that the future is never set in stone, and he has, in fact, met two previous versions of himself who are not his actual future anymore, and even if that is true Ben still loves Ester and nothing is actually written. But instead, he gets cold feet and rapidly develops hardcore commitment issues, and gets broken up with AGAIN after ghosting the best girl he ever had for a couple weeks. Ben Tennyson's love life is such a shit show I swear. That whole series would have been like 20 percent better if he was friggin asexual like Spongebob.

@fightingmedialounge519

8 ай бұрын

Someone else Ben's stellar performance.

Ok we figured who’s the biggest Fumbler, now it’s time to figure out who’s the biggest Closer (a character who despite having all the odds stacked against them managed to make their relationship work.) And if I may nominate 4 Rigby for Rigleen, Steven for Stevonnie, Luz for Lumity and Gumball for Penball.

@shotgunfrenzy1225

8 ай бұрын

I say luz definitely wins that contest. She deserves it!!

@DJPrimeAmvs

8 ай бұрын

Rigby wasn't a Closer...

@oliviamcnally7030

8 ай бұрын

I would want to see that list and what the thoughts on the winner are!

@Mr_Muda_Himself

8 ай бұрын

@@oliviamcnally7030 my money is either on Rigby or Luz

I appreciate Mordecai as a warning tale. If you take away the wedding thing (and maybe the indecision between two women, idk never been put in that situation), I'd probably see myself doing the same mistakes he did if I don't stay keeping myself in check. Going with your gut (within reason) is genuinely good advice for a nervous wreck like me.

Honestly, Mako should have ended up with the prince. If they were gonna ignore him, at least give us some gay.

@Halloweenish

13 күн бұрын

As Sarcastic Chorus once said, “If you can’t make them interesting, you can at least make them gay.”

Tie between Mako and Mordecai, however I'd argue that fumbling the bag on the Avatar and then the heiress to future industries, and then watching the two get together-that is a catastrophic level of fumbling that deserves an award.

Honestly, Finn's fumble for me still reads worse for me because of how unprompted it shows up, as well as just how long it takes for him to learn from it. Yes, he does indeed learn from it, but the episodes shortly after, from Too Old to Red Throne, really just show Finn at his absolute worst for awhile. While Mako's fumble led to the show feeling like the writers weren't sure what to do with him, Finn's fumble felt like the writers actively making Finn worse to justify the fumble happening; and for me, that's just more infuriating.

Finn went from PB's employee zone to having someone legit burn down Rebecca's work . Mordecai can't make good decisions ever Dunkin liked Courtney but didn't realize she was loosing her own mind to perfectionism , high expectations and neglectful family . The fell for Gwen when they just decided to make Trent crazy for no reason at all but they were really in the same situation and it would have been fine had he actually broken up with Courtney and put her behind him but then Gwen was even more obsessed with Courtney. And it was 2010 so Duncan never getting to sort out his pony tail pulling for Harold never got sorted. Ultimately him trying to "keep up a dude bro bad boy persona that he'd long out grown ruined his life . Mako didn't even get Wu as a consolation prize .

Duncan's situation is really hard to talk about because, let's be honest, All-Stars was going out of its way to destroy EVERYONE. The amount of out of character moments that occurred that season is absolutely ridiculous. But him losing Gwen wasn't the biggest thing that pissed me off; It was how they had a chance to actually make Duncan a heroic character, have him break out of his delinquent, rebellious phase, and potentially have him mature and try to turn his life around on the show... Only for him to commit a felony and get sent to prison..... To say I was pissed is a major understatement

I'm glad Duncan is FINALLY mentioned in talking about messing up with their love interest. He's a big compender for biggest fumbler, even got a love triangle too

It was either Duncan or Finn💀

@POP-nm1ix

8 ай бұрын

Nah, it's Mordecai. Mordecai hijacked his friends wedding to turn it alllll about himself only to get dumped at the end. On too of that, he's older than everybody on the list.

My poor boy Makko, the show’s writing really doomed him, it was so unfair :’)

Man Mako got treated dirty, it feels like his brain stopped functioning when he got kissed by Korra and then continued to stop functioning throughout the rest of the show, because the writers were... bad.

"Relationships are like an egg it takes 4 to hold 1 if 2 let go 1 starts to crumble." Man if i were a voice actor i want my character say that in a main character when they're in a love crisis.

Funny how all of them happened around 2013-2015. Odd trend. (And I was I to put another horse in this race it would be Bojack.)

@lunaticoni

6 ай бұрын

"Another horse" Lmao

13:44 to 13:53 He pulled a “Mordecai” lmao I loved that they turned him into a verb

Mordecai was the biggest simp out there. He _killed_ his best friend over a girl!

Mako fumbled the avatar and a badass rich girl no matter what happens for the rest of his life, he has to live with that lol 😂😂

For me in terms of pure stakes it's Finn bc: 1. He fucked up so bad he made a man homeless and God showed up in his dream to tell him he fucked up. 2. The literal queen flame princess became. Such a badass. He could've been in on that. He could've become the flame prince. Also their relationship was fucked up by the fact that NO ONE CAST FLAME SHIELD ON THIS BOY. They could've been doing normal couple things the whole time! They could've just like, explored like normal teens instead of Finn doing crazy shit just to get off

I’m so glad I’m not the only one that was pointing out that Jake played a huge part in this fumbling

In my opinion, Mako really screwed things up with both girl and I realize he was given 2 chances with both of them. When he and korra met was one and him and asami was one. However, deep down inside we all knew he wanted korra and not asami. When korra lost her memories, he could have taken the opportunity to start over with her and rekindle their relationship and not keep it a secret that they broke up and only bringing it up when KORRA REMEMBER which is completely a d**k move. He was given another change with both girls and screwed it up. So in the words of the Ice King, "You blew it man".

Mako fumbled so bad his exes decided it would've been better to date each other than ever reconciling.

If anime counts...dude it's no question...Yamcha. This man cannot get a break in any way. Even back in Dragonball, this handsome man had one weakness and that was he couldn't interact with beautiful women. Each time he saw Bulma he flipped out till eventually he got over that fear and hooked up with not only a beautiful girl, but she happened to also be the richest girl and heir to essentially the equivalent of amazon. Bulma was also a genius having invented a radar that at anytime they can find wish granting tokens. Yamcha and Bulma were together all throughout Dragonball and though he nearly fumbled (calling another woman beautiful, and just overall failing at the martial arts tournament) it wouldn't be till Dragonball Z that it all went to shit. Apparently, Yamcha cheated or stepped on Bulma at the beginning of Z and just as they were getting back together, he ends up dying, but upon getting brought back to life...well...he loses Bulma for good to none other than Vegeta...the REASON he died in the first place. Vegeta and Nappa in their conquest for the dragonballs that summoned the saibaman that killed him in the state that he has been mocked for to this day. Vegeta ends up getting with Bulma off-screen, in which the two are revealed to be married and have children. Yamcha throughout the rest of Z is never seen with another partner, indicating he never found a steady partner ever again. Even in Dragonball Super this is evident when an alien girl does show interest however, she is not of maturity in her species, and won't be for another 100 or so years. Yamcha truly is the saddest of the humans, for while both Tien and Krillin also can never catch up with the saiyans end up having very happy lives. Tien opening a Dojo and Krillin marrying Android 18 with a child of his own. So yeah in terms of cartoons if we are too include anime...Yamcha is the king of fumblers, we sadly never see it on screen but truthfully given how pitiful Yamcha was when he was with Bulma...we aren't surprised as viewers that Bulma would dump him for Vegeta.

@valentinkambushev4968

8 ай бұрын

You know you've fumbled the bag when the girl would choose a guy who commits genocides for fun over you.

@ninjanate5018

8 ай бұрын

#RespectforYamcha

Mordecai, BY AND FAR Finn was a h**ny teen who tried to go after a toxic ruler, and THEN fumbled the bag with FP Duncan was just a victim of poor writing

I got my cousin into Avatar, and then showed her LoK too. She was both excited and PISSED at the KorrAsami pairing they ended on. On one hand she was like "YASSS! GIVE ME THAT WLW REP!!! LET'S GO!!!" At the same time, she was RAVING, saying, "Yo! Mako, weren't you named after that GOAT VA who played UNCLE GODDANG IROH?! And you're out here fumbling so hard your two exes bond over it and eventually decide to date each other instead?! DISHONOR! Dishonor on you and the writers!" She kept going back and forth between both feelings for a solid 5 minutes, and it was hilarious to witness.

Duncan is literally Kanye West because they can't get over their exes😂

I jus discovered ur Channel & its alrdy one of my comfort channels now‼️💕

I would say Blitzo from Helluva Boss but his deal was more he got messed up by a mistake he made and had trouble stabilizing his entire life and it’s not like Stolis and him are on bad terms it’s more the former had to get reminded of how rocky he unintentionally made his life while Varassica… yeah personally I think both sides were better off via the break up.

@valentinkambushev4968

8 ай бұрын

Also, his jury isn't over yet.

Mako and honestly all of lengend of korra just needed more time to flesh out the chatacters.

1:35 he did WHAT?!

I thought my boy Finn was chill like Ice King... Turns out he was hotheaded for Flame Princess.

Ok I'm going to defend my favorite Total Drama Character, Duncan, for a moment. (Ignoring All-Stars though, NO ONE likes that season) Gwuncan didn't come out of nowhere, they did share a good couple good chemistry moments together during Total Drama Island. Since they were among the strongest members of their respective teams, they had a decent amount of respect for one another. When Courtney was unfairly eliminated and the merge happens soon after, Gwen is then considered his best female friend on the show. (Despite there soon being a Guys vs. Girls alliance rivalry occurring) Their chemistry is shown best in the Serial Killer Challenge episode due to their shared love of horror movies. Gwen is one of the only two people who Duncan confided his reason for going to Juvie. (Something even Courtney doesn't seem to know) Then finally, when Duncan was eliminated, Gwen acknowledged how formidable a competitor he was and was sorry the reason he lost was because Owen likes Chef's cooking. Also, while Gwen's time in Total Drama Action was short, the two clearly did have enough chemistry to make Trent and Courtney extremely jealous. Also, in Gwen's Elimination episode, Duncan was one of the few to stand up for her when Gwen tried to fake a cramp. When Gwen took the walk of shame, he attempted to convince Chef to take him instead of her. So Gwuncan didn't come out of nowhere, it was just something that was simmering in the background while Duncney was blowing up in the foreground.

@Hickory958

7 ай бұрын

Tis me, Odysseus. I like All Stars.

Mordecai, he's a grown ass adult pulling that shit.

Damn. Imagine fumbling the ball so bad that your ex's leave to make their own team together.

Its mordecai. Finn was just a teenager so he didnt know any better. Duncan got the same reason Mordecai is a grown man and he managed to burn the world around him just for that 1 girl. He screwed things up by a mile after: 1. Pushing rigby while fast traveling. 2. Ruined muscle mans wedding and just pretty much try to outdo the doer (means that he's trying to make it all about himself).

Grandad from The Boondocks fumbling with Ebony Brown is the biggest cartoon fumble I’ve seen