It’s very brave of them to flip the stereotypes by having the WLW couple silently pine for years and having the MLM couple fall for each other in like two days.

@_.-._.-Y0K0-._.-._

8 ай бұрын

Yes and the women got the sexual-tension filled rivalry, bigger than reality problems, super complicated history, while the guys got to be the super suportive, just click together, cutesy ones. A flip of action show shows and the most popular fanfics they sprout (disclaimer: NOT saying there's few MLM coffee shop AUs, just that most popular ones build on the canon rivalry for MLM and the girl's friendships for WLW)

@esbeng.s.a9761

8 ай бұрын

To be fair they where ex who got back together after growing.

@9nikolai

8 ай бұрын

Tbf the MLM couple didn't have hundreds of years

@maisatanel

8 ай бұрын

​@@esbeng.s.a9761 yeah maybe like marceline and bubblegum met up after that show when marceline threw that shirt on bubblegum and they got together in two days who knows???????????????

@brandonscott5544

8 ай бұрын

GREAT SARCASTIC CHORUS FINNA AND CAKE COUPLE.

Another thing that i love is when gary sees the scarab for the first time he goes "oh no he's hot" and as a gay guy i find that extremely relatable

@AlexMartinez-gv7hy

8 ай бұрын

Same, made me laugh cause like how many times has that happen right.

@loopyfists

8 ай бұрын

I still like Marshall and Gary together, but when that scene with Gary and the scarab happened...thats a whole new guilty pleasure that I cant let go still.

@KaminoKatie

8 ай бұрын

Gary has a type

@Redbeank4

8 ай бұрын

@@KaminoKatiethat type being men

@gregvs.theworld451

8 ай бұрын

Gary's a monster fucker just like me fr fr.

As a queer black guy, I never knew how much I needed Marshall Lee.

@MILOPETIT

8 ай бұрын

Can't believe I was surprised that he was black when his name is Marshal Lee

@kentemccormick5789

8 ай бұрын

Same ☺️

@goliathtigerfishes

8 ай бұрын

Yes, I love it. I love it so damn much 🎉

@ginjuice_art

8 ай бұрын

do you need him or do you NEED him?

@canadaedwards1881

8 ай бұрын

@@MILOPETIT I'm not sure if I'm remembering wrong, but Marcheline's mom I believe is black, so it makes sense Marshall Lee would be too.

I think the reason lesbian relationships are more tolerated in media than gay male relationships. Is the heterosexual male gaze. It's always kind of been there as long as the women are attractive and fit the conventional beauty standards of heterosexual men then it can exist in a show. If the lesbian relationships is between to butch women it's usually portrayed as a joke.

@amiable_monster

8 ай бұрын

Yeah, that's what he meant by "patriarchy"

@billykaplan9915

8 ай бұрын

There you can see the sexism of the media cause girls got the same fetish with boys yet they only put girls

@ignorant1126

8 ай бұрын

Yeah but the exact opposite thing happens with shipping culture especially in anime. WLW couples are pretty much ignored so women can write BL yaoi 😅

@black_nerdy

8 ай бұрын

@@ignorant1126 I'm mostly talking about Western media. Anime has some of the most beautiful representation.

@magicman3163

8 ай бұрын

Don’t care it’s all Jewish propaganda

I love how they still got Childish Gambino to voice Marshall after all these years. Some Adventure Time voice actors have come and gone but Donald Glover has always been there even though Marshall’s appearances have been sporadic. His voice is just so smooth and cool.

@HimitsuHunter

8 ай бұрын

I was simping over his voice every time he opened his mouth.

@philly_sports1558

8 ай бұрын

@@HimitsuHunter Like how he said “Then who am I talkin to?” in Five Short Tables.

@joganesha4151

8 ай бұрын

I'm so used to his performance as Troy from Community that I genuinely forgot how good of a smooth talker he is, like DAMN it's "read me a bed time story" levels of smooth

@gustavoclarindo101

8 ай бұрын

I have to say i missed some emotion in his voice

@Fallen_Angel_AA

8 ай бұрын

I was so worried he would be to busy or expensive to get him back, and I was so relieved and happy when I heard his voice, can't imagine anyone else voicing Marshall

Something that I truly love about them is how they fall for each other almost instantly. No pinning, no friends before boyfriends, they were simply attracted to the other and were flirting and seeing how the other took it. It is so simple and in most histories with wholesome couples they take the approach of friends to lovers but there are times in real life when people just meet and start forming a romantic relationship right away and I love that for them.

@billykaplan9915

8 ай бұрын

I mean that's what I tell everyone love is weird strange and sometimes it just happen like that my relationship with my boyfriend started like that and I was self conscious about it but now I feel better about it

@PatPatych

8 ай бұрын

The fastest way to get HIV lmao.

@lucilucid

7 ай бұрын

I personally don't really get dating someone off the bat and not being friends first but if it works for people then good on them!

@PatPatych

7 ай бұрын

@@lucilucid YWNBAW

@kirsch3

7 ай бұрын

​@@lucilucidit's the other way around for me. I rarely date people I see as friends cuz I see them as family too and that feels weird to me 😭 so meeting someone and clicking almost immediately has always been my way of going on about it lol 😅

If it makes you any happier to think of, Marshall could be like Marceline in that he changes his hair style all the time, so the fade and other fun hair looks could also be canon.

@RanmaruUmi

8 ай бұрын

Yes! I would love to see marshall's aesthetic wardrobe like how Marceline does

@musicaldoge9412

8 ай бұрын

Considering Marceline rocked something close to what Marshall had when she broke up with PB at glass city, it can be safe to assume that that was Marshall’s idgaf phase, also considering he makes his parent/ how he’s making most money buy playing guitar, it seems to be signified that he couldn’t keep the hair if he wanted to

@Kaleidosaur

8 ай бұрын

@@RanmaruUmi Me too! I'm sure the fan-artists are on it right now~!

@Kaleidosaur

8 ай бұрын

@@musicaldoge9412 And now that he's free to do what he wants, he can go as wild with his hair as he wants~!

@AzureRadio

8 ай бұрын

What I don't understand is she's 1/4th Human and Demon and 1/2 Vampire now or still 1/2 Human and Demon and the Vampire completely takes over, so does the tiny amount of human in her allow her hair to grow back even though she is undead? That has always thrown me off because in all representations of vampires the are stuck in the state they were turned (which we see in Marcie being forever stuck as early to late 20s)

One thing I noticed, while watching your video that I didn’t really realize until now is that Gary and Marshall have an interesting dynamic with their romance. Almost like a good parallel, but with a different twist compared to Simon and Betty. Marshall was about to be under his mom’s thumb for the good of giving up his dream so that Gary could have his dream. But Gary found out what was going on, told off his mom, and then left with Marshall. Contrast this with Betty and Simon, where Betty gave up/was willing to give up everything just to live Simon’s dream, and Simon didn’t really notice/consider what she was giving up for him. Gary, on the other hand, saw his own relationship, and decided to be happy with Marshall instead. I don’t know, I thought it was a great contrast

@Quackervoltz

8 ай бұрын

GOD FUCK

@ranchustars3050

8 ай бұрын

never thought about that but honestly makes sense!

@mothdotslot

8 ай бұрын

gary is a very good and attentive boyfriend, and marshall is a very supportive and adventurous boyfriend. their relationship is so amazing on so many levels

@kirsch3

7 ай бұрын

I got here right after watching the Betty/Simon video and that's what I IMMEDIATELY thought of! Gary noticed what Marshall was sacrificing for him, but decided he wouldn't want his boyfriend suffering like that for him 🥺 so cute honestly

@tennicksalvarez9079

6 ай бұрын

Great point!

There's so much power in the way they're depicted. I also gotta say that as a queer black guy, it's nice that it was an interracial queer relationship -- it's not a topic talked about enough, but there can be a LOT of racism from many sides within dating, especially in queer dating, and you can be seen in a negative light (or even be labeled a traitor of some kind) for dating interracially. It's an extremely important to normalize, so nobody feels like race plays a barrier in who they should or shouldn't love.

It's also impressive that they're allowed to just be themselves without dealing with homophobia or questioning why they like men all of a sudden. The relationship feels like two guys who happened to crush on each. It also skips a lot of toxic yaoi tropes. Ex: hyper sexualized couples, misogyny, one of the boys is clearly portrayed as a woman, partner can only show or admit affection when drunk, and the classic overly jealous/protective boyfriend that's borderline abusive.

@jagore1258

8 ай бұрын

Homophobia is learned behavior and I think its safe to say if it ever existed in Adventure time's world it got bombed out of existence with the rest of the old civilizations during the mushroom war. But yeah its an important message. The world doesn't need to be the way it is.

@mothdotslot

8 ай бұрын

​@@jagore1258what if homophobia exists in this world but simon is just an ally, which caused the fnc world to simply not have any of it?

@PatPatych

8 ай бұрын

@@jagore1258 It's not learned, it's completely natural. Homophilia, on the other hand, has to be forced upon.

@PatPatych

8 ай бұрын

@@mothdotslot Simon is a smart man, why would he be an ally to degeneracy.

@aikesscs

8 ай бұрын

​​@@PatPatychUnfortunately for your pathetic self, Simon supports Marceline so he is, in fact, an ally. As shown in the episode "The Star" but obviously you aren't an adventure time fan, rather just a troll.

I’m gonna be honest, I’m gay and the only reason I watched Fionna & Cake was because my boyfriend told me GumbLee was a thing

@Andrea-rc1gz

8 ай бұрын

I’m lesbian and I only watched Adventure time after hearing hints that Marceline and pb were a thing 😭

@LyraJellybun

8 ай бұрын

@@Andrea-rc1gz SAMMMME OMG,,, watching the series finale as a little babby 16 year old was such a wild time after years of wanting these girls to kiss, i probably rewatched obsidian 5 times by now

@billykaplan9915

8 ай бұрын

I watched it with hopes of gumlee happening

@PatPatych

8 ай бұрын

Disgusting.

@andya9899

8 ай бұрын

based

Love them. And I love how their cannon in every universe

@acemoonlight5310

8 ай бұрын

same.

@philly_sports1558

8 ай бұрын

I noticed how so many people are now discovering that PB did some shady stuff in her past and are saying stuff like “PB IS A PSYCHO! THIS COUPLE SUCKS! MARCY DESERVES BETTER!” You guys realize that Marceline has done messed up psycho stuff in the past too, right? And coming from someone who was there every step of the way, learning more about PB’s checkered past is actually what made her more interesting as a character and her whole arc was so satisfying to witness. She learned to become less tyrannical with her kingdom and more friendly and understanding, which eventually led to her and Marcy getting back together. People always seem to miss that nowadays. It’s like they’re just discovering PB’s checkered past NOW when the show has always been open about it.

@Andrea-rc1gz

8 ай бұрын

@@philly_sports1558I always saw pb as an overprotective mom … like correct me if I’m wrong but PB loves the candy people so much that in her head she was doing the best thing for them by protecting them. She later realizes that this is bad though. I guess because she doesn’t have this horribly sad backstory like Marceline it’s hard for people to acknowledge her character development.

@ranchustars3050

8 ай бұрын

@@philly_sports1558honestly never saw pb as evil, she’s flawed but you have to remember the world she lives in and her past, she’s one of my favorite characters if you can’t tell

@philly_sports1558

8 ай бұрын

@@ranchustars3050I just hate the narrative nowadays that she’s a psychotic force of evil and all these recent videos coming out with titles like “Princess Bubblegum = Adventure Time’s True Villain” and “Most Messed Up Things Princess Bubblegum Has Done” really don’t get what they were doing with her character. Were some of the things she did messed up and immoral? Yes. No one is denying that. The show itself pointed it out MANY times. People just seem to forget why she was the way she was for so long, that she did genuinely care for the well-being of other people, and just went too far in doing it. She went though so much development and came out the end a much better person who is capable of love and being loved. But everyone just brings up the same messed up things that happened in Season 4 and Season 5 and basically just forgets the rest of the show and the dynamic direction they took her character.

As a Trans person I also appreciate how some of the characters in Fionna's world stay the same gender or are ambigious despite it being a 'gender bent' universe, like Starchy still having a moustache or Hunter and Magic Man who are pretty androgenous.

@patchyfish1

8 ай бұрын

@gec_gay_emo_cousin oh yea! They're Jim in Our Flag Means Death

@cajunking5987

8 ай бұрын

Hunter looked off when I saw him. Looks like a design a person like you would come up with. And that quirky little obsessed with flowers personality… yawn.

@cajunking5987

8 ай бұрын

@gec_gay_emo_cousinof course she is

@ItsDaHoots

6 ай бұрын

No such thing ​@gec_gay_emo_cousin

@ChimeraLotietheBunny

3 ай бұрын

This is legit

I'm 30 years old and it is mind boggling how far LGBT+ rep has come in my lifetime. Especially given that most of the progress has come within the last several years of my lifetime. The closest thing I had to gay rep when I was little was me somehow missing that Phar Fignewton from the Animaniacs was a girl (I still knew she and Pinky were a couple, toddler me just thought they were both boys. They were a mouse and horse, them being gay would've been the least weird thing about that couple). The first Ruby/Sapphire moment in Steven Universe happened when I was 22. The Ruby/Sapphire wedding and Adventure Time finale kiss for Bubbline happened when I was 25. Gary and Marshall only just happened a few months before I turn 31.

@maisatanel

8 ай бұрын

also try she ra and the princesses of power and the owl house

@andrecarpenter2432

8 ай бұрын

The last six-seven years have been great in this regard

@PatPatych

8 ай бұрын

You are being pandered to for the sole reason of Black Rock not financing you if you don't. When people are allowed to be degenerate, they become depressed, easier to control and easier to advertise to. The moment you stop being profitable you will be put back in your place.

@cajunking5987

8 ай бұрын

It should stop at B.

@trika91

8 ай бұрын

Glad I’m not the only one who thought Phar Fignewton was a boy (didn’t find out she was a girl until Wakko’s Wish). As a kid, I noticed the romantic tension between Pinky and a horse, and never really questioned that it was (seen as) a gay relationship; just thought it was wacky cartoon logic of “this mouse and horse really like each other”. I think the main reason they gave Pinky a love interest was to mitigate the theory that Pinky and Brain were a gay couple.

Dude I LITERALLY just realized their story is basically a coffee shop au. The crew really went out of their way to make this a full love letter to the fan creators that helped push this ship into reality

only Fiona to blame that they didn't met earlier😂 actually i think she regrets that she didn't introduce them earlier, but she was depressed so she gets a pass

their aesthetics are just so mwah chefs kiss together

gary and marshall genuinely mean so much to me its insane, i remember back when the original fionna and cake episodes came out and seeing people ship bubbline, but refuse to acknowledge that gumlee is also probably a thing by default, and it was always really frustrating but not only having confirmation that they're not only canon, but they're absolutely adorable, voiced by two musical powerhouses, and have such a genuine story and feel like a real couple falling in love for the first time is amazing like wow the writers did a great job i have a little theory that everyone's past lives were somewhat condensed into their new human lives, meaning gary and marshalls original relationship in the magical world wasn't erased, but moreso condensed into what their relationship is currently. this is why they fall in love more quickly and click with eachother, tying back into the theme of their relationship living on and spanning across the multiverse

@hyper9984

8 ай бұрын

I absolutely agree. Though I understand why it was difficult back then for people to acknowledge GumbLee, as we didn't have much Fionna and Cake content. Plus, in almost all the F&C episodes, we saw either Gumball flirting with Fionna or Marshall doing the same, and we sadly never really got a lot of direct interactions between the two.

@that_icy_stylish_bitch

8 ай бұрын

​@@hyper9984The flirts between those two and Fionna could possibly be explained by the fact that they were inside Ice King's head, and he didn't really know about Marcy and Bonnie. I think if it was all up to Prismo, they would have been into each other all along.

@hyper9984

8 ай бұрын

@@that_icy_stylish_bitch I really wish we knew the full extent of Prismo's world building for Fionna's universe. I wonder if the Ice Queen had a similar back story to Simon's, and stuff like that

@Quackervoltz

8 ай бұрын

​@@hyper9984 It's stated by the writers that she didn't back when the first like two episodes of F&C existed, and the comics, though non-canon, did give her a pretty different one from Simon. However considering what we know now, I'm pretty sure it might be possible.

@hyper9984

8 ай бұрын

@@Quackervoltz I really hate Ice Queen's "backstory" of her being a water nymph that took care of Cake. It's just too stupid in my opinion, especially considering she's based on Ice King, who is obviously one of the most in-depth characters in Adventure Time.

they literally turned them into a coffee shop meet cute and im living for it

I'm an openly gay man, I love cartoons and anime, and I thank you SO MUCH from the bottom of my heart for making this video and addressing the disparity between representation for queer women and queer men, ESPECIALLY in western animation. This is something I've been hurt by and infuriated about for so long (and still to this day, let's be honest; it's still very much a thing) and you might be one of the only content creators I've EVER seen acknowledging it, which is insane in it of itself. I always got annoyed at hearing about shows with "Great lgbt representation" when that representation somehow never seemed to apply to me. Adventure Time, Steven Universe, Avatar TLOK, the Owl House, the fact that the wueer couple in Gravity Falls got SO MUCH praises even though they were the biggest most irrelevant tokens I've ever seen in anything (not to mention they have a great total of ZERO redeeming qualities) Say what you will about how rushed and insultingly neglected Shiro's gay identity/relationships were, it legitimately meant A LOT to me at the time, and even still now, to have a confirmed openly gay character I could actually look up to because I hadn't ever gotten that before (and, again, when it comes to western animation and popular mangas/anime (HORRIFYINGLY homophobic depictions of queer men from Puri Puri Prisonner to Lussuria to that guy in Inuyasha that wanted to cut guys' faces and lick them, to One Piece who portrayed us as a bunch of disgustingly ugly exclusively drag performers who all lived on an island together, tried to force straight guys to put dresses on, and came off super rapey in general). So, again, thanks man, it really means a lot. I love Gary and Marshall, they're the kind of characters I wish I'd gotten growing up.

@Egg-Thor

8 ай бұрын

I feel the same way. It's incredibly infuriating seeing everyone continue to praise cartoons for LGBT rep, when every single time it's a wlw relationship. The Legend of Korra, Steven Universe, She-Ra, The Owl House, Adventure Time, OK KO... And even Star vs The Forces of Evil and Amphibia ended up confirming major characters as bi. All of them ever increasingly praised for breaking barriers in representation, and all of them being women. So much talk of cartoons having great LGBT rep, and I as a gay man still can't relate to a single one of them, because representation for us is nonexistent aside from background token characters with no relevance. The only rep I've seen for me was Ben and Troy from Kipo (and now obviously Gumlee). But it is still immensely obvious the difference in content between wlw and mlm. And the worst thing is, nobody seems to notice, or care. It's insanely infuriating seeing everyone constantly praising the amount of LGBT rep in western animation, while there really is none for us.

@gregvs.theworld451

8 ай бұрын

@@Egg-Thor queer masc myself, while I wouldn't say I can't relate to wlw queer pairings at all, on some level their victories are our victories as all queer people are lacking in representation and their portrayals, for better or for worse, don't take away from ours or take up space where mlm relationships should've been, I do share the frustration with mlm pairings so far not having caught up in queer depictions in media. Here's hoping that tide changes soon and never falls back. I think the fact there's a lot of comments here sharing our stories and experiences show a lot of people do care about queer men, we just need to keep speaking out and causing a ruckus about it, as Chorus did with this video and as we are now. it sucks we have to fight and be pushy about needing to feel seen, valid, and normal to make it happen, but that's always been the lot of queer folks, men, women, enbys, trans people, and everyone inbetween. Maybe someday we won't have to fight the good fight, but that day only comes when we speak out now. Solidarity for fem queers, I reiterate their fight is our fight and their victories our victories too, but absolutely keep banging the drum and demanding more positive mlm depictions in media too.

@Wandasolosurfavs

8 ай бұрын

​@@Egg-ThorI relate to Marceline and I love Korra and Asami and I'm a guy. Their sexuality shouldn't hinder you from being able to relate to them. What is that mentality 💀

So not only do we have a gay couple in an animation tv show. But it is an interracial one 🎉

@doagii2649

8 ай бұрын

YESSS THISSSSSSSDJDJSJDJ

“With leaving queer men, just being given scraps.” *Shows Voltron clip* NOO IM GETTING WAR FLASHBACKS

I just wanna mention how awesome it is that we finally have not only a MXM couple in adventure time, but also one in which both characters aren't white, my boyfriend has dark skin, and we can finally dress up on Halloween as a gay couple we actually look like

also worth mentioning that Gary's voice actor Andrew Rannells is an openly gay man. interestingly in the original show Gumball was voiced by Neil Patrick Harris who is also gay so it kind of makes me wonder if this ship was already something they were thinking of back then. also this isn't the first time Andrew Rannells and Neil Patrick Harris played the same role as they've both played Hedwig in Hedwig and the angry inch on Broadway (I've been a big Andrew Rannells fan for years and altough i never finished Adventure Time i am also a fan of cartoons so i was so excited when i found out he's going to be in this)

@viscera8442

8 ай бұрын

off topic but if you're a fan of andrew rannels i highly recommend falsettos!! its another gay love story and it's really sweet it can get really sad tho the second i heard his voice as gary i was like "ok they definitely finally made it canon!"

@justjoannak

8 ай бұрын

Ah, okay. I was wondering why Gary's VA was different

@camochiiwilldie

4 күн бұрын

@@viscera8442AHHH YESSS I LOVE FALSETTOS ANDREW RANNELLS IS AMAZING

I find it so disgusting how people are more ok with wlw then mlm cause it just brings up even more stereotypes and fetishized relationships so I’m happy they were able to flip the switch

@shawnbay2211

8 ай бұрын

Yes! I feel like popular culture sees wlw as more permissible than mlm. But it turns out A LOT of different ppl wanna c mlm relationships … even in regions that representation is illegal.

@brandonscott5544

8 ай бұрын

GARY AND MARSHALL LEE EXCELLENT WORK.

@gregvs.theworld451

8 ай бұрын

@@lovelove-cs7zh Whuh? How the hell is saying "people want to see more queer male/male relationships" lesbophobic? More for us doesn't mean less for you y'know, it means we all get representation.

@gregvs.theworld451

8 ай бұрын

@@lovelove-cs7zh Quick question: Are there, at present, more notable wlw pairings in media than mlm? If so, does that not suggest, at least a little bit, that at the moment it's more acceptable to have, say, a Marceline X Bubblegum in your tv shows, than say, a Marshall and Gary? I'm not denying we still have a long ways to go for lesbian acceptance and that lesbians could absolutely stand to have more representation, but that doesn't change the fact that it does seem like tv networks sign off on more wlw pairings than mlm, and that it does signify that wlw pairings are deemed somewhat more acceptible. Recognizing there's a lack of mlm pairings compared to wlw pairings doesn't detract from the fact we still need more wlw pairings. Two things can be true at once.

@kiuhhjbff3x

8 ай бұрын

Wtf??

I fucking hate when people say "ugh this is too woke" on any queer relationship or character, like don't you think is weird that the mere existence of a relationship or queer character/person is made a political statement 😭😭😭.

Fun fact! The first time I saw Marshall in the previews I actually began sobbing. Seeing that he looked like me destroyed me in the best way and made me reimagine how thrilled I would've been when I was a little "girl" and Marceline looked like me

It’s really nice to see m/m couples as the forefront/main characters, rather than being background characters or dads in books, movies and tv shows.

Thank you for including Benson and Troy! Kipo and the Age of the Wonderbeasts is a great show and those two deserve more recognition(along with shows like Q-Force). They definitely didn't get a ton of screentime. I really like GareLee. Gumlee was neat but never really resonated with me because of how few Fionna and Cake episode there are and they were just genderbent Marcy/PB. But Marshall and Gary were given a good amount of care in Fionna and Cake and I love it

@gregvs.theworld451

8 ай бұрын

Inb4 opinion, take my thoughts with a heap of salt, but as a queer dude who wants good queer media as much as the next guy, LORD Q-Force was trash. Imo we can do better and deserve to demand better than what that show was.

@brian_Austin27

8 ай бұрын

I feel like its the art style adventure time has a cute art style and aesthetic

@oscara8454

8 ай бұрын

​@@gregvs.theworld451hard disagree. That show was a riot.

I don't remember how but my brain just went "oh they're dating" and then "OH THEY'RE DATING" when I saw Marceline wearing the same sweater PB was wearing

@sp8ctre

8 ай бұрын

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@Whats.Next.Videos Homosexuality is rarely shown in all general media, let alone healthy, non-traumatic and non-fetishised homosexual relationships. I’m not sure whether you’re talking about Adventure time or Fiona and Cake when you say “kid’s cartoon” but Fiona and Cake has a rating of 14+. If you’re talking about Adventure Time I think you should be worrying about grown adult women being shown hitting on a 13 year old boy rather than 2 consenting women being in a relationship. Also Sexuality is shown in tons of kid’s media like every Disney princess movie before brave. Honestly I’m pretty sure you’re just painting your homophobia as “worrying and caring for the children”, that’s a pretty big accusation though.

@scorbunnies

8 ай бұрын

​@@Whats.Next.Videosdid your heart skip when you realized there was heterosexuality in kids cartoons? Sexuality has always been in cartoons, most animated shows generally have romance in them, why is it different now that it's homosexual relationships in children media and not heterosexual?

@candyzombiee

7 ай бұрын

@@Whats.Next.Videos yeah it did actually! cause like... idk if you know this dude but some adult human beings, who are adults right now, were actually kids before! kids who just might have grown up watching a show that aired it's first episode in 2010. plus, if you're pissed about "weird sexuality" i'd be more weirded out by just the concept of a semi-immortal sugar golem and a literal demon-vampire being in love. the fact they're both women is the normal thing about that scenario lol.

When they run to the elevator and kissed, i screamed, i was so happy, i was crying from joy

I am still hyped over these two and I have been ever since the first episode itself

My first ever relationship was a MLM one, we would joke all the time that I was Marshall and he was Gumball, even me drawing sloppy fanart of that very concept. This ship means a lot to me and I'm genuinely happy that it's now canon and the boys got a happy ending

@cajunking5987

8 ай бұрын

“MLM” 🚩 We’re called gay. Only fujoshis call it that.

@saraperpetua1093

8 ай бұрын

Cool

@ArcticFFox

8 ай бұрын

@@cajunking5987 MLM literally just means "men loving men".. WLW is also used for lesbians. And no it's not just a term used by women who ship men. It is literally an acronym used by the LGBTQ+ community and I used it here because my former partner is now nonbinary and no longer identifies as strictly gay. You don't speak for the entire community, don't pretend like you do.

@cajunking5987

8 ай бұрын

@@ArcticFFox it’s an acronym used by young girls to include their demiboy gender-fluid aroace selves. No gay man calls himself MLM. No adult who has a life outside of the internet says anything but gay.

@cajunking5987

8 ай бұрын

@@ArcticFFox and I highly doubt any relationship of yours was ever MLM cuz I doubt you’re a man/male 💀

I wonder why m/m are seen as unacceptable, while w/w are somehow accessible. And why are w/w relationships are sometimes referred to as "pure love".

@Purpie_Slurpie

8 ай бұрын

@@oddrevolver9026 skill issue

@karbkackle

8 ай бұрын

Literally scientifically wrong, go suck an egg.@@oddrevolver9026

@locxlsxdsxck5171

8 ай бұрын

@@oddrevolver9026 You heard da boss, you gots a skill issue

@dig1t4l_b0y

8 ай бұрын

not really. i actually see WAY more mlm representation in media than wlw

@SpookyGhostpeppers

8 ай бұрын

Ignoring the homophobe in the comments Its because friendships between women are more 'touchy-feely' compared to men, at least according to society. If you ever heard someone seeing two lesbians in public and calling them "good friends", then thats why. Women could be full on making out and people will bend over backwards to act like they're just friends. But on the flipside, men are seemingly not allowed to express any affection towards their male friends, or else its automatically "gay" (read: bad). So no it has nothing to do with "extremeness" its literally just weird sexism and toxic masculinity

Honestly when Fionna and Cake first appeared in Adventure Time, I was a Fiolee shipper. But when I saw Marshall and Gary get together in Fionna and Cake I literally cheered! Also I think Adventure Time, Rebecca Sugar, Steven Universe and others who fought for this representation will be taught about in animation history classes in the future, if not now

@Quackervoltz

8 ай бұрын

This was honestly me too

As a gay man, I am all for it!! Am always all in for some more MM rep and we finally got it ❤

@cajunking5987

8 ай бұрын

Fujoshis ruin it

@Quackervoltz

8 ай бұрын

​@@cajunking5987Bro what

@cajunking5987

8 ай бұрын

@@Quackervoltz fucking read

@rottingpierrot

8 ай бұрын

​@@cajunking5987i think fetishizers is a better word to use

@cajunking5987

8 ай бұрын

@@rottingpierrot only because it’s English so more people know it

Man, thank you for this history lesson. I feel like most people have forgotten how things were prior to the 2010's.

I’d love to see you talk about prismo and scarab (prohibitedwish) They are so goofy and angsty

@Egg-Thor

8 ай бұрын

Whoever came up with their ship name deserves a prize

@gregvs.theworld451

8 ай бұрын

Seems crackshippy to me... but who knows Scarab may yet get his wish (hehe) of becoming a wishmaster, and if he's stuck with Prismo in cube house his options are a bit limited. Maybe Prismo can get him to loosen up yet.

@aerickmon3350

8 ай бұрын

@@gregvs.theworld451yeah ngl I don’t prefer shipping them as the scarab is way too toxic for my fav boy priz, so unless they get his ass it simmer down I really don’t wanna see him with priz as he is(an envious little bastard)

@Plexxis_SugarPom

8 ай бұрын

​@@gregvs.theworld451while I do understand the idea of it being crackshippy, wasn't the entire point of F&C to be a literal fanfic become reality? Knowing AT, they could make this work

What's funny to me is that this series has gotten to a point where a gay relationship is in pure text while Finn x HW remained in subtext til this very day and I love it

Fiona and Cake feels like it was written by the original creators of Adventure Time, but also fans who grew up on the show.

@PatPatych

8 ай бұрын

Yes, sadly, the og creators were forced to pander. I hope we don't get any more seasons because the moment it starts getting woke it's only downhill from there.

@maurisa514

8 ай бұрын

@PatPatych ? They aren't exactly pandering since the whole world is meant to take place in the genderbent/modern version of Ooo so we were bound to see Marshall and Gary in it. These elements were already there. When I said it feels like fans came and wrote fiona and cake with the og writers I was saying that's why they knew the world of adventure time so well.

@maurisa514

8 ай бұрын

@@PatPatych did you even watch the video??

@PatPatych

8 ай бұрын

@@maurisa514 They go from not knowing each other to kissing in the span of a day. This just doesn't happen unless you're either 12 years old or a whore. They clearly rushed it to pander to gays. They could just hint at it, that they may start dating in the future. That would still be gross and unnecessary but at least somewhat believable.

@maurisa514

8 ай бұрын

@PatPatych time was passing for them in the episode. Why do you think it was snowing at one point? then the next time they were shown it wasn't snowing anymore. And it's not gross or unnecessary it's called representation. Everyone deserves representation in the media so they don't feel like freaks. The LGBTQ+ community is finally getting the representation it deserves, whether you think it's gross or not the LGBTQ+ exists.

I actually love how Fionna was facing world altering events and she still stopped to marvel at their hand holding

This couple by most standards of society (growing up in the south and knowing I'm straight after experimentation) I thought I would appreciate this, but not get invested into the Gary and Marshall. But MAN they're so cute. They're so wholesome. Their dynamic gives such a beautiful representation of a healthy relationship. I'm so happy this couple is a thing. I hope for every couple gets a representation as beautiful as this one.

Marshall's design "update" also led to some fanart that double-swaps Bubbline with GaryMarsh, leading to more fanart that emphasizes in both cases, the vamps are POCs. (This also finally answers why Olivia Olsen was cast as Bliss in the PPG "reboot".)

Unrelated but I LOVE Marshal’s neck mole where the vampire bite would be, amazing design choice

FINALLY SEEING A GAY MALE/MALE COUPLE IN MAIN FRONT STAGE BIGGGGGGG FICTION MAKES ME SO HAPPY

If we manage to snag more Fionna and Cake episodes, I am expecting Prismo and Scarab to be in a canonical relationship, and I will not settle for less.

@aerickmon3350

8 ай бұрын

Scarab hella toxic tho and I’m hella over toxic male relationships

@Petrichor_55

8 ай бұрын

@aerickmon3350 Well idk about toxic. A stick in the mud at best and a bit immature at worst, but not exactly toxic.

@aerickmon3350

8 ай бұрын

@@Petrichor_55 he tried to kill just to take his job He prays for prismo to screw up so he can capitalize

I always wondered why I became more fixated on gumlee than the big ol story surrounding Fionna and Cake and you put it perfectly! Sometimes you just need a cozy slice of life queer rep based closer in reality!

The way I squealed every time they were on screen throughout these 10 episodes, especially during the elevator scene. Gary and Marshall mean so much to me and I'm so thankful that they got to have a regular sweet romantic subplot without it needing to be a whole big message or whatever. It was just like any other normal romance in any other show. Not to mention that Gary and Marshall's happiness was also one of the reasons Fionna ended up not wanting magic to change her world. Truly, thank you Adventure Time!

Female x female is hyper sexualised as it’s already a fetish for some people so a lot of people are desensitised to seeing lesbian couples but male x male is deemed “too gay” because conservatives don’t want to see men displaying their femininity/being submissive. They may not have that much screen time but Marshall x Gary is THE best ship😭

@cajunking5987

8 ай бұрын

I don’t want to feed fujoshis either.

@Quackervoltz

8 ай бұрын

​@@cajunking5987 Dude shut up

@alejandrasanchez3022

7 ай бұрын

@@cajunking5987 good thing nobody cares about you then

Okay i have to admit that everything you've said here is the hands down most beautiful thing that came from stripping magic from Fionnas World. Seeing this ship happen with no compromise was a win for everyone and just overall a heartwarming mindmelting pair. I know Ive said before that i wish they had given Fionna SOMETHING by way of the magical life that you can't tell me she completely doesn't want amymy, even if it was just throwing her a bone by making it clear she isn't going to have to settle back into the monotony of her adult life with like a more enjoyable or less soul sucking job, and bringing her worlds BMO to life because GOD FUCKING DAMMIT does that ever still bother me, its more than worth it when i see every fuckin frame of Marshall Lee and Gary that was in this series

It's very interesting that the types of queer relationships that are canon and popular in animation is completely flipped in live action. In live action, MLM shows are getting huge attention in the mainstream while WLW shows are getting cancelled by higher ups left and right, whereas there are generally more WLW ships in animation than MLM ships.

@cleancoffeemug

7 ай бұрын

I had the same thought as someone who is just wishing we could get a WLW show in the vein of Heartstopper or Young Royals.

You did such a great job covering this! The internet has an incredibly short memory. I think it’s important for the younger gen to realize how much media rep has changed in the past decade alone.

I am SO glad that Glover was able to voice Marshall for each incarnation that he had. I loved Neil Patrick Harris as BG Prince, and the new VA are good, but I can't see Marshall as anyone but Glover. Even as a teenager seeing the first Fionna and Cake episode I knew that was the voice of a champ. Little did I know that I would fall in love with all of his work and he have such a huge impact on me. Plus Marcie/Marshall being black was just an obvious call, I could see CN pulling away from it using her old design to defend their choice but this is how it should be and made the show better for it.

Thank you for addressing Marshall's hair! The look they went with overall doesn't stop him from dripping with sex appeal the whole time but I too felt teased by that fade/ponytail!

When you said that people had to resort to fanfics and fanarts to actualize their ship, I suddenly remembered me liking and saving every picture I could find with GumLee. There seriously wasn't a lot but I adored them so much. Gary's personality wasn't what I expected but it was super refreshing. Gumball was more conservative and hard to get in Ice King's fanfic but here, aside from the overthinking opening his own bakery part, he was more assertive and open with chasing Marshall. He was just like "Oh, this guy's cute" and went with it. I didn't think about it enough but it was honestly better to see them accept their attraction rather than hide it from each other. Great take!

aweee this is such a sweet video i totally agree! so happy to of seen them together

I wasn’t really planning on seeing Fionna and Cake, since I’ve only seen some episodes of adventure time, but as soon as I saw Gary and Marshal I was determined to watch it. Top teir couple

@andya9899

8 ай бұрын

are they top tier for someone who didn't watch adventure time?. they are top tier for me but I watched AT so I assumed my bias make them better than they truly are.

@bricktaco67

8 ай бұрын

@@andya9899 they’re just so cute and I love them, so yes at least for me they’re great

Here I am starting my own business, moved out with my girlfriend (yes family was against) and now it’s us against the world. I loved the story.

Everything he said, and it was also so nice to see fanfiction shown in such a positive light in this series, which is also updated from these characters' initial introduction. It's so wonderful to see it portrayed as something that can have value. Not trying to take away from the Gary and Marshall milestone, more excited because hey, TWO milestones! At once! Yeah!

Dang, Fionna and Cake was just an A+ in every possible aspect a show could be 😊

Mexican here, I think they censored in my country the episode of the two warriors who kill each other fighting, because if I remember correctly they talk like friends. This happens a lot, in the Owl house Luz and Amity call each other "friend" when they were talking to others about their relationship...is very pathetic.

@mpketchup

8 ай бұрын

In this chapter Finn and Jake think that ghosts are besties, but the crew confirmed that they are couples, actually

@kacklina

8 ай бұрын

Oh, Thanks for the clarification, I don't remember if at the end anyone shouts "my love" if there are any other Mexicans out there who can confirm.

This is what I’ve been waiting for ever since Fionna and Cake was announced

I don't care for shipping, yet these two falling in love was a highlight for me

14:10 THANK YOUUU The ponytail + Fade was so much more cooler looking❤

2:43 In fairness of Black Butler anime when mentioning how queer representation wasn't the best... Grell Sutcliff wasn't ever meant to portray a gay man, she's trans in canon. Although a lot of translations erased this from her character, causing a big misunderstanding on what she actually was. All of her flamboyancy and cross dressing is just her fantasizing on what she wants to look like with a female body. While I agree not all anime did queer representation very well, I don't believe using Grell is a good implicit example because she's not even canonically queer, she prefers men.

Good on whoever realized Marshal Lee couldn't have blue skin without being a half-demon vampire.

Really great video. I loved both Marshal and Gary, all of their scenes were really sweet.

I didnt expect this vid to actually be a good analysis of mlm rep, good job man

I think the fact they can be more free with it and they did not hold back with it really made the show. Cause we got crumbs in adventure time, but in Fionna and cake we got full course meals. I also think the fact Garry says oh he hot to the scarreb shows he into the bad boys he can fix. If a second season happens I really want to see them on the adventure as well. Another Intresting dynamic is the fact the female fern and DJ Flame Prince might be a couple meaning that DJFP might of left fionna for a woman that look similar which could be a Intresting tension and if the world had been fixed that would of been a fire shipped with a clump of grass. I think the two would have similar trauma and turmoil to make it work, but that a whole nother ship that could be way big in the next season

Me too, I wish they had kept Marshall's lock fade ponytail hairstyle. 14:06

Well, when I saw clips from Nimona I *kinda* lost my absolute shit. I loved that u included it in this video

THANK YOU! This deserved the hype, they are so cute together and I love them ❤❤❤

Seeing the black butler shade makes me interested in seeing how it holds up in the modern day, considering its...stranger aspects.

bro did NOT just out Prismo like that at 0:13 LMAO💀

this is just so sweet for these BL in a CARTOON and my fave duo and pair

We have come so far. It brings me such an immense amount of joy

words cannot describe how happy i am that the new generations are getting the representation we couldn’t

The ass on Jake when he killed that ghost dude

god this really wraps up my feelings on Gary and marshall so well. cause like. theres a lot of wlw rep. and im happy for them! its great! i mean that genuinely. but i am also sad for the lack of mlm rep which is much more my flavor. and gary and marshall really hit it out of the park

This was very informative thank you Mr.Chorus

I didn't know what to expect from a fully realized Modern AU of gumlee but THANK GAWD it's real! Seriously though it's been so nice to see how far animation has come with representing queer relationships 🥰

Fun Fact: According to the creator of Fionna & Cake, Natasha Allegri, before the whole Golb reset debacle there history was similar, yet not identical to the main series. A notable example of this would be Ice Queen, in F&C's universe she was a water nymph and renown cat-lover who used to own a cat that was heavily implied to be Cake before she suffered a mortal injury, only for the cat to retrieve a magical jewel that saved her life, but at the cost of sapping her sanity and granting her the powers of the ice and snow. It was because of this reason that i was watching this ship with baited breath, was history going to repeat? Or was it just going to be bait? And with Hindsight as our ally we know exactly what happened.

@ChisomagaIhezie

4 ай бұрын

Does Natasha even know that there is a Fionna and Cake Spioff?

''No one has to be traumatized to deserve happiness.'' - PREACH!

As someone with some more old fashion views on parings (Not that I found anything wrong with anyone's sexuality), I'll admit that the steady progress of LGBTQ pairings has helped me ease into a more positive mindset. Still a bit Iffy on male parings, but I think me and a few other will change our tune for the better if we keep getting exposed to stuff like Gary X Marshall. Slow and steady wins the race

@pheonixangel_

8 ай бұрын

Dude, I appreciate you even considered opening up to same sex relationships (I noticed the lack of T which is not what I personally agree with but I can’t change your mind nor expect that change)

@chocolizard678

8 ай бұрын

What do you mean by old fashioned views on parings? Do you mean like vanilla "I always ship male lead and female lead"?

@neitherpoet

8 ай бұрын

any progress is good progress my friend! eventually you wont even bat an eye about it, and even if that day isn't today, eventually :)

@Egg-Thor

8 ай бұрын

It's totally normal to not be able to immediately accept all this sudden progress after having been raised with old fashioned views. And I applaud you immensely for having an open mind. As a gay man I tell you, don't feel guilty for still being iffy on male gay relationships. Unlearning previous behaviours and beliefs takes time, the important thing is that you're trying. We gay people are no different than you. We have existed for all of human history, we aren't trying to hurt anyone, the only thing we want is to be able to love each other freely. One day you will completely unlearn your past old fashion views and you will see us as the normal couples that we are. Thank you for trying and keep on at it.

@gregvs.theworld451

8 ай бұрын

Can I just say I really appreciate ryanolphie for being honest about having some adjusting to do and recognizing accepting progress can be a process for someone not accustomed, and fore the rest of the commenters for understanding that changing perspectives takes time and not jumping on OP for what is a pretty bold thing to admit. Man, I think Chorus has a pretty great community on this channel.

Im actually so GLORIOUSLY HAPPY to finally have an MLM relationship and romance between main characters in a CARTOON. UGhhhhh

@cajunking5987

8 ай бұрын

We’re called gay.

I CANT GET OVER THE SCENE WITH MARSHAL GETTNG OUT OF TH SHOWER AHHHHHHHHHHHH!

In the original series I had a crush on Marshall Lee, so being able to see him here was really cool.

It may be a bit of a soliloquy but when I was younger I was really into the fantasy of harems that I later realized was kind of ironically born for my anxiety and fear of being close to people, to anyone that decide to partake to my rambling I just want to say both a twisted blessing and also a relieving curse in that you're not alone no matter what it seems like sometimes especially with the things that are screamed by people that are terrified of everything that they don't see in the mirror or sometimes of things that they do seem to mirror but are terrified of nonetheless. Therapy and groups were always too personal for me so I started to volunteer at soup kitchens that way it wasn't about me being weak and pathetic it instead was about helping others that had a hard turn of life which was just the motivation that I needed on my bumpy road to being less broken.

1:23 i see what you did there. Valid

It also dawned on me that Gary and Marshal got right what Simon and Betty got wrong: balancing when to sacrifice what you want for your partner and when to follow your dreams. Yeah, Marshal was prepared to give up his lifestyle to give Gary a chance to find an investor for his business. When Gary found that out, he gave up the second chance to save Marshal from his mom. They were able to both get what they want in the end, but both were willing to sacrifice for each other and everything worked out.

Havent watched this video fully yet but I gotta say I didn’t like the ship of Pb and Marceline since at the start it seemed to be shipped simply for the fun of it and not because it was natural However with how it went later on it was more natural. Gary and Marshall on the other hand had already felt natural at the first moment they met and every additional scene melted them stronger together

i very much like your energy, especially in this vid :)

I think the most important factor is seeing Gary and Marshal in a very grounded and realistic setting. Along with their relationship is a hell lot more healthier than PB and M. Like are we going to forget that PB's a borderline war criminal and scientest?

@Quackervoltz

8 ай бұрын

Bro Gary is also a war criminal he just had that shit magically erased from his brain basket

@Red_MOON187

8 ай бұрын

Gary use to be Prince Gumball. Reality was overwritten by Simon's noggin.

@Egg-Thor

8 ай бұрын

How is she a war criminal? She's gone to war like once, and she didn't even fight.

I feel like the fact that they even gave us Bubbleine was super progressive for a kids show at the time... they did it... I MEAN they *actually* did it...🥺 As an elder millennial who was shamed & called confused all through my lifetime seeing a FLF relationship represented for all the kids like me who never got that... 😭 They 100% drug their feet on it & made huge mistakes... but... bear in mind the kids who started watching this show were in elementary school & there's a fine line between romance and intimacy too...they touched on crushes and romance but the incel slug, & Jake and rainicorns implied *ahem* "swanning" was the peak A.T. romance for about 4 seasons. Bubpire vibes were still there even in the F&C fanfic episodes. Don't get it twisted... *WE STAN TF OUT OF GARY & MARSHALL* but... when you consider that men get literally everything first, "I do feel kinda vindicated." 🤔😂

I was like 80% through my rant esaay about having too few mlm relationships in cartoons. And then Adventure Time blesses us with such a gift.

Also another thing that just adds to how cool gumlee is as a ship: Andrew Rannells, the new voice for Gumball (Gary), early on in his acting career had a contract with 4Kids, where he did voice overs for various anime and video games. This is relevant because he's gone on to say in multiple interviews how humiliating it was at times, like the time he was encouraged to play a very stereotypically gay depiction of James for Pokemon Live (apparently he was literally cast because of this, and was actively told to play it up when auditioning). Kind of like with Donald Glover being able to voice an undeniably Black character in Marshall Lee, it's just extremely cool to see Andrew's return to voice acting after making it in the industry as a non-stereotypical, openly gay character that he chose to voice on his own terms, and not just because he needed the gig. Some rly great progress all around here :)

Honestly I know the ship wasn’t meant for straight people to relate to. But the nature of the relationship they have is something anyone who ever loves can relate to on some level, and that is why I find this ship to be truly amazing

I've been losing my shit over this for the entirety of today instead of studying for my math exam tomorrow... THIS VIDEO (that was uploaded approx. 35 minutes before this commented in posted) HAS ANSWERED MY RIGHT TO BE A MARSHALL LEE X GARY FAN. AHHHHHHH

@Egg-Thor

8 ай бұрын

How do you have a math test on a sunday? 😭

@orpezo

8 ай бұрын

@@Egg-ThorIn my country, the holidays are on Fridays and Saturdays.

@cajunking5987

8 ай бұрын

No thanks fujoshi

@orpezo

4 ай бұрын

I know I'm answering VERYYYY late but I got 90/100

I'm a woman who grew up with adventure time (im now 30 y/o), im not even gay but i lived this couple, it was the most wholesome and healthy relationship and I'm also happy that there's more representation for the community, i cant imagine how it is to be growing up questioning your preferences because you can't see something you can relate to, it really needs to be normalized.

Need to see more mlm couples in western cartoons. That's why Helluva Boss is so important to me. Not a children's show, and not on mainstream television, but it still makes me feel good.

@ritaerror7829

8 ай бұрын

Just curious, just watching show or also know the fandom/background of what's going on? Cuz many people are mad at creator for making it... certain way (can't really tell what's wrong, just that it isn't the best mxm representation)

@dawntavishflynn8802

8 ай бұрын

@@ritaerror7829 idk I try not to pay attention to all that stuff cause while it might not be the best mlm representation it is one of only a few examples and I'm not letting a bunch of random internet strangers ruin it for me. I know the creator has been caught up in some scandals regarding how she treats her staff, but I don't see what that has to do with the characters they created together or how they're represented. The protagonist of the show is by no means a good person, he's an extremely flawed person. But that is intentional. He's a product of his traumatic past and I find him more interesting and engaging because of it.

@ritaerror7829

8 ай бұрын

@@dawntavishflynn8802 Blitzo is trauma boy, and most of the other LGBT characters are fetishized, or something like that (so not much to do with the staff)

@dawntavishflynn8802

8 ай бұрын

Oh I guess she steals ideas and doesn't credit them or pay them right, something like that @@ritaerror7829

@dawntavishflynn8802

8 ай бұрын

But idk, I've heard people say that but I think it's a little silly for all these random teenage girls on the internet to tell me that these mlm characters are fetishistic when I am in fact a gay man and I don't see them that way. Like thanks for your opinion, but...@@ritaerror7829