As some commentators have pointed out- the Longines Zulu Time does indeed have an adjustable GMT hand. Which makes it a true travellers GMT- a detail that was missed in the video. Thank you all.

@facelessbot963

Жыл бұрын

An adjustable GMT hand makes it an office GMT

@KC-bv9kf

Жыл бұрын

@@facelessbot963 I cannot take any watch reviewer seriously when they can’t differentiate a true/traveler gmt vs an office/caller gmt.

@christianbautista321

11 ай бұрын

Also the spirit zulu time does reference from an archived historic model for pilots in 1929. Do your damn research!

@Imadolphin983

8 ай бұрын

Longines “Zulu Time” wrist watch with secondary time zone 1925. Longines pocket watch dual time zones 1908 with patents made 1911

@AndyAdventuring

7 ай бұрын

@@facelessbot963 You are correct an adjustable GMT hand would make it an office GMT. I'm not sure why @perpetuality made this mistake. The Zulu Time does not have an isolated GMT hand. The hour hand is isolated. The Zulu Time is a traveler GMT.

The Longines has no history?? Longines came out with dual time zone watches years before anybody else including Rolex. Sure it's not a 1:1 reissue of a historical model, but Longines definitely has history.

@p.a.4928

Жыл бұрын

I agree ! It can be useful "to read the horological history" before starting this comparative video... 😉

@vunguyenchannel

Жыл бұрын

He talked about this specific Zulu GMT watch not Longines

@Cybex.

Жыл бұрын

Yesss👍🏼

@i_read_bad_reviews

Жыл бұрын

He spent all time editing the over used coffee shop vibe, there was no time for learning.

@seanhickling7340

Жыл бұрын

Dude, 95% of watch brands have more history than Rolex! Wilsdorf and Davis was founded in London in 1905 then changed the name to Rolex in 1908.

Usually my grail watch changes every few weeks but the Zulu time has been my grail for over 12 months now. The new 39mm is pretty perfect.

Two stunning watches, but I find the Longines amazingly beautiful. It shows great quality and original design. Considering the materials used and the comparable movements, the price difference seems to be in favor of the Longines.

@perpetuality

2 жыл бұрын

Couldn’t agree more with you Arthur. Thank you very much for watching and commenting

@squinkygordon1322

2 жыл бұрын

I like the Longines better too! For me personally, I think having three snowflake hands on the Tudor is just too much... I think it could be a nicer design if they had just made the second hand tip round like the indices. Or, they could've borrowed the orange pointer GMT hand from the Rolex Explorer 2 and left the other two snowflake hands as they are, but that would've opened a can of worms with a comparison to the Rolex... but it still would've looked better (imho). The Tudor is still a beautiful watch and I really like the toolish look of it, but for some reason the three snowflake hands makes it too busy for my eyes. I think the Longines is gorgeous and a refreshingly new take on a GMT watch. But on the other hand, if resale value is a concern, I'm sure the Tudor would win all day long.

@david12990

2 жыл бұрын

I really struggled on which one to purchase. Both watches are really good, but went with the BB Pro in the end. The AD had it in the configuration (band) I wanted. So far the thickness nor weight have been an issue on my 7.5 in wrist.

@mariog7213

2 жыл бұрын

@@david12990 you can’t go wrong with either. It’s a great watch. If the longines had a similar clasp than the Tudor it would be an easier choice for me. I’ve tried on the Zulu time but haven’t been able to try on the pro so I’m still undecided.

@RabidMortal1

Жыл бұрын

Tudor has better bracelet, clasp, AND a true GMT movement (can't believe this video doesn't make a bigger point of this fact regarding the movement--this is a HUGE difference here!) Both are great for sure, but the added refinements of the Tudor are very real.

Longines completely killed it with the Zulu Time. Love the ceramic bezel vs steel bezel lib with blue sunburst dial vs flat black on Tudor. 3 color options for Longines and 1 for Tudor. Love how the leather bands are micro adjustable, who has that at this piece point?!? Nobody but Longines. It’s twice the total watch for the money.

What Longines gives us with the spirit range (spirit 40, spirit titanium, spirit 37, zullu) is more than impressive.

@perpetuality

2 жыл бұрын

The spirit chronograph is also a very nice watch- the new pioneer edition too

Great review although I don’t think you clearly showed that the Longines is also a traveller GMT. I think you should have showed that the hour hand on it is also set independently. Both great watches, my choice is the Zulu Time.

@LectioDivina33

Жыл бұрын

Agree 👍

@chriskvikstad4980

Жыл бұрын

I completely agree. He skipped right over that very important detail and only highlighted the rotating bezel. A few commenters in the discussion section here don't know this and have wrongfully criticized the watch, not knowing that it's actually a true traveler GMT movement, just like the Tudor. They discuss it in detail on their Zulu Time website. It's a nice review, otherwise. 👍

@4watchingvids

Жыл бұрын

I just saw the zulu for the first time in person and it's awesome. Definitely made my mind up and I'll be picking it up

@perpetuality

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for bringing this up Rick. A detail I missed in production but had thought I covered it in my head. The Longines does indeed have an adjustable GMT hand that is indicative of a travellers GMT. It functions very much the same to the Tudor albeit with a rotatable bezel for tracking an additional time zone

@davidhabjanic3032

Ай бұрын

Butt the Longines has not a jumping date like the tudor when its switch the date right?

incredible video, a visual spectacle to appreciate these two great watches. good work!!

The visuals and editing is unreal man. It is so well produced. Well done! They're both stunning watches. I'd be happy with either one as a one and done.

Great Video, I bought my Longines Spirit Zulu Time GMT Blue on black on Dec 16 2022 and it is amazing in all aspects. Mine is perfect for my wrist and I actually can't fault it. It looks so elegant & classy and the box is absolutely amazing!!!

Love both of these watches. The BB Pro may find its way into my collection at some point but it really is just an homage to my favorite piece - my 16550 Rolex Explorer II (Alpine/Cream dial). I have a black dial Submariner 168000 and never felt the pull to add a black dial Ex II to the box… though for less than half the price, I could add the Tudor. I already have my eye on the Pepsi BB GMT. What a stunning bezel. Now… the Longines. What a home run. Best new piece for 2022 imho. Saw the giant electronic ads in the Oculus in NYC on my way from the Davidoff lounge to the 1 train and fell in love at first sight. Walked right into the Longines shop and got one of the first green bezel/leather strap “livery” that had hit the store. Could not be happier with that watch. I know $3K is a bunch of money but, in the watch world, that piece is an absolute bargain. The finish on that watch has vaulted Longines into the arena with the biggest names. Next to everything else in my case, that is the one people ask about the most. Well done and huge props to Matthias Breschan, Giuseppe Miccio, and the rest of the artisans at Longines.

Great video! Really enjoyed this comparison as I’ve been considering both of these watches. Amazing job!

@perpetuality

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you Rob! is there one that you are learning more towards?

@robcameron9351

2 жыл бұрын

@@perpetuality definitely leaning toward the BB Pro. I have a Longines already, and Longines is one of the few brands that actually has an AD in my city (Hamilton and Rado are the other brands). I’m going to Geneva on my honeymoon and plan on buying a watch there and the BB Pro is top of the list!

Only seen the intro and already know I’ll love this video!

@perpetuality

2 жыл бұрын

Hahah evidently the intro is where I have the most fun in making these videos! Thanks so much my friend

That is a great comparison review of both watches David! Also the quality of the videography is of professional standard!! 👏 Both excellent watches and I think you really couldn’t go wrong with either ⌚️👌👌 And tbh it’s tough choosing - in fact you couldn’t blame anyone having both in their collection! For me I think I’d choose the Longines as it is original, is a little bit bigger for my 7.25” wrist, and being a fair bit cheaper definitely gives some funds towards your next watch - perhaps a mighty Grand Seiko!! 👌🙌

@perpetuality

2 жыл бұрын

Dean I appreciate your candid comment as always- you are right you can’t go wrong with either. The Longines and perhaps a manual wind Grand Seiko (think predecessor to the SBGW231) would make a killer collection I think

@FriendlyPalestinian

5 ай бұрын

You can get the 39mm one now!!

I do think there is a $1,200 difference in quality.... but it is the Longines Zulu that should be $1,200 MORE expensive than the Black Bay. What a phenomenal watch from a way-under-appreciated manufacture.

The best detailed review I have seen, that I can remember anyway. Excellent work, the longines is very Desirable watch but that pro just edges it for me. But then there's the price

I picked up the Zulu Time today, that same green bezel model. It is beautiful. A note on size commentary in KZread watch videos… I have 7.5 inch wrists so 42mm and 50mm lug to lug is perfect fit for me. Not too big at all. Even though they are similar in thickness, the Zulu distributed it in a way that it’s less blocky and seems thinner. But some people might like a blocky look.

Thanks for the review! I was all in on the Pro, but the Longines is a very attractive watch. I'm attracted to vintage-style watches and the Longines exudes that esthetic to me. Plus it's accessible...

@perpetuality

2 жыл бұрын

It’s accessible and can be had at a discount too, which is just the right thing to ask for in a watch that looks great 👍

Amazing video as always, the Pro is a v weird piece for me, I dogged it as lazy and generic till I saw it in the metal, the finishing on the bezel and the lume plots are incredible and I love it to bits, so much so I’ve shifted out most of my other gada watches

@perpetuality

2 жыл бұрын

I am glad you found it to be an objectively excellent piece for you in every measure! It’s all about judging the watch for what it is first hand I think that is so valuable. Enjoy it in good health David!

That dial on the Longines looks extremely 3D to me, I think it's because their movement is very flat and that allows them a lot of room to apply those raised numerals and logos/stars. It's beautiful, it catches the light from all sorts of directions, I saw it in person recently and I must admit it's hard to get it out of my mind.

This is a helpful video. Longines just released a 39mm Zulu Time!

I had a chance to check out this watch today at the AD, dial is sooo nice however its a bit thick and the thickness is more apparent due to smaller diameter

Those 2 watches together looks really good. It’s like taking a picture of a submariner and a speedmaster. They just fit well in 1 picture.

Great video, thanks for sharing. Can you suggest a good Longines retailer in the GTA ?? ( or Canadian on line seller for this ).Thanks

Despite the overwhelming popularity of the BBPro, the Zulu looks better and more versatile and lastly better value for $.

@pokpongl

Жыл бұрын

Not sure if many agree that it looks better. The design and layout does make it looks cheaper.

@xfortysd40

Жыл бұрын

Have to disagree, the bb pro imo blows away the Zulu, not even close in looks

@pokpongl

Жыл бұрын

@@xfortysd40 right, as a copy of Rolex

@xfortysd40

Жыл бұрын

@Pokpong Lawansiri to a point sure, so what, what's Tudor anyway? Second, what's your point, eod, the bb pro looks hella better then the Longines.

@pokpongl

Жыл бұрын

@@xfortysd40 No taste imo. Just save up and get a Rolex. And most don't agree that it looks better.

I just got the Zulu in blue - love it. If your wrist is 7 or up it’s a great fit, slim for a GMT and very comfortable weight. It’s my one and done now. This Tudor has a cool dial but too chunky for its size. I used to own the BB GMT, the Zulu is a better watch.

Excellent review. If Longines had a 39mm Zulu Time with a shorter lug to lug in its catalog, I'd buy it.

@irishwatchenthusiast6647

2 жыл бұрын

Rumours are that Longines will be releasing a smaller version of the ZT in the not too distant future.

@alexeng4680

Жыл бұрын

@@irishwatchenthusiast6647 i pray for it to be true!

@acethis

Жыл бұрын

I just wish Zulu has a female end links. It would have made it more wearable.

@seayak

Жыл бұрын

they have now release 39 mm versions in the same colour variations as the 42 mm.

@paullinge4154

9 ай бұрын

I tried both, my wrist is just over 7inc and the 39mm wore to small. Looked smaller than my Tudor bb 36

I love your channel name. My first video here. Subscribed!

Fortunately I am in a market where I was able to try on both a BB GMT and the Zulu Time (not the BB Pro, so not a perfect comparison). I had expected to get the Tudor, but the side slabs didn't sit well on my wrist. I ended up leaving with the the Longines. I'd take either in a heartbeat though.

@mkyhou1160

Жыл бұрын

Those side slabs are a big flaw the Tudor, I sold my BB GMT as they bugged me over time. Loving my new Zulu time.

Just pick up longines Zulu and love it with no taxes from upper Canada mall

The longines is so beautiful. I would own this over the Tudor anyday of the week personally.

If the Longines was smaller, I'd have preferred it. Instead, I bought a Black Bay Pro. Thanks for the video!

@boyblue998

2 жыл бұрын

I agree, but Longines will probably bring out smaller versions just as they did with the Spirit. Patience can be a virtue!

Once Longines puts this watch out in 40mm, it’s game over. Hopefully they make some other small tweaks too - would love to see more colors, the light blue hand on the blue sunburst model, a fully lumed bezel, etc. 🤞🏻

@itsgarrick4910

Жыл бұрын

Your wish came true

@drewsleyy3836

Жыл бұрын

@@itsgarrick4910 woohoo!!! Now we just need more colors!! awesome

@paulbrooke3838

10 ай бұрын

Now available in 39mm

I may have missed it, but one should mention is the on the fly adjustment system when you get the leather strap.

I have the Longines Spirit Chronograph, lovely watch. I think that you said the bracelet has screw pins however, it does not, not on the Chronograph version or Zulu Time. Both lovely watches mind!

That Longines is stunning. The Tudor....has snowflake hands. So back to the Longines. They seem to be making some really nice watches.

I think your video needed to compare the Tudor BB GMT (Pepsi) too in this video because in my opinion the Longines is going straight for the Tudor market. I own a Tudor BB GMT and love the watch , but I am already looking to getting the Longines Zulu time , for the Tudor BB Pro I feel the Steinhart Homage version can save you a lot of money and give you what the Pro offers and looks more like the original Rolex 1655 model. In my opinion great video nice history given, thank you and all the best.

Great review/comparison!

@perpetuality

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you Ian!

You mentioned that if we have a good relationship with a dealer, we could get the Longines at under retail. How much under retail do you think I could get? Do you think 15 percent off is likely? OR maybe even more? I tried it on in at an AD. But didn't even ask about getting a discount. What is the likely discount? THANKS

Both great but I would go with Tudor. For me it looks better and is wear it and forget about it. It will last longer and take more of a beating while still looking good as it ages and comes to life with every Nick and cranny.

@perpetuality

2 жыл бұрын

Good point a well worn Tudor always looks cool

Very good comparison. Get going 🚀

I’m lucky enough to own both. ( Blue longine ) Really enjoy both of them . 👍

My experience with NKUWAN was fantastic. The watch arrived quickly and was exactly as described.

I really like the snowflake hands on the Tudor something about them always stand out to me in a charming way and has much better lume. The Zulu dial is exquisite, the 5 star dial and the rotating bezel make all the difference to me as both watches are true GMT and chronometers. All in all I would side with Longines.

@halfsourlizard9319

17 күн бұрын

You *like* the 5-star thing!? It's the only thing that pushes the Zulu 39 out of 'impulse buy NOW' territory for me ...

I would do the Longines spirit which I did the 40m sunburst dial blue is fantastic

I've had the BBPro for 6 weeks and uts an excellent watch for the money.....the Zulu is a very good option for the money and might be added to my collection 👍👍

@perpetuality

2 жыл бұрын

If you do add the Zulu time would be interesting to hear your thoughts on it in your collection 👍

@Pulsonar

Жыл бұрын

For only 6 weeks? What happened to it?

@garybunting3035

Жыл бұрын

@@Pulsonar still got it and it's a keeper 👍👍

@Pulsonar

Жыл бұрын

@@garybunting3035 I misread, my bad, that’s a great choice. I’ve been thinking about it for some months it’s definitely one of the best looking GMTs out there and chronometer grade too. The thickness of the case is my main concern. Then there’s the Rolex Oyster Perpetual 41mm… beautiful elegant and flat profile on the wrist. choices, choices…

Beautiful video! Besides the clasp, the Longines looks more expensive and prettier. I also wish it was a 40mm. By the way, in saying “Longines”, the S is silent. So it’s just “lawn-geen”.

@perpetuality

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! Learning every day 😃

Great comparison!

@perpetuality

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you Nathan

The Zulu time is simply a nicer looking watch in my eyes. I really hate Tudor hands, and even discounting the hands I just think the Zulu simply looks better and is more versatile.

Well based just on looks Longines = pure class Tudor = rugged tool watch

@perpetuality

2 жыл бұрын

Thats a great way to put it. They represent those values well

As a long time rolex fan boy but not so much anymore, I'd pick the longines because it looks nicer to me, however if I were to pick this longines vs the new Tudor gmt S&G root beer, I would pick the root beer and I did. It's such a beautiful watch, super vintage vibes, almost feel like looking at antiques. P.S. I'd actually pick the root beer over any Rolex

T-fit is incredible ... can't wait until those patents expire and I can have it on everything.

Longines made the first dual-time watch, AND the first GMT movement watch. The "Zulu Time" was the first gmt ever, and that's why they named this release "Zulu Time."

I love the Longines and I will buy one next week

Will you be doing a review of the new Longines Zulu Time 39?

Now we have a 39mm Zulu Time, perfect watch with a perfect price tag

i really want the green and gilt longines. ive never wanted a longines before. i love my bb58, but the lro doesnt do it for me

The Longines has significantly more history than the Tudor in the gmt/Zulu question. Longines were the 1st watchmaker to produce a dual timezone in 1908 for the Ottoman empire in a pocket watch, and in a wristwatch format in the 1920's withe the zulu time wrist watch before rolex was a thing.

I picked up the Pro. I got it unworn on Belez for 3500 in 2023. It’s come down in 2024. It’s a beautiful watch I’ll changed the strap with a RUBBERB. It’s lighter with the strap.

What’s the bracelet taper for the Pro, from lug to clasp?

@perpetuality

2 жыл бұрын

It goes from 20mm to 16mm at the clasp just like the BB58

I’ve tried both on and prefer Tudor one.❤

BB Pro all day. That said, the Zulu Time is amazing and will hopefully bring more people to the brand. Also, you can buy the Zulu time, whereas the BB Pro you get to wait on a list, possibly never getting a call.

@pokpongl

Жыл бұрын

I don't think that is the case. BB Pro is available at all the ADs in Europe. On the other hand, the anthracite dial of Zulu Time requires waiting list in some countries.

Thanks for the comparison, it's the longines for me..

@perpetuality

2 жыл бұрын

No denying that it’s a good looking watch thanks for watching!

I feel that the Longines is better. I have the blue one and it's awesome. That said, I've only tried the Tudor on.

Love many details on the Longines but wish they would’ve made the bezel a matte finish. The glossy bezel just doesn’t do it for me (same with modern Rolex) makes it feel cheap

5:06 The Zulu Time is also a travellers gmt with an adjustable hour hand.

Intro music is tip top. What’s the title?

Im a big fan of tudor and not so much of longines, but longines really hit it out of the park with this zulu spirit.

Awesome and very objective video that gives each watch its props without downplaying their craftsmanship . Love both watches the I would consider the longines but the lugs are too long , therefore Tudor all the way

@perpetuality

2 жыл бұрын

That is one area the Longines could do a lot better! Maybe the perfect watch is a love child between the Tudor and the Longines 🤔

If you asked a non watch person I’d bet they would think the Tudor looked like a 500$ watch and the longines like a 5k$ watch. But really, the longines is so much nicer looking. Just a beauty.

@halfsourlizard9319

17 күн бұрын

But ... why would you ask a non-watch person? They think we're weirdo boomers for wearing a watch, full stop ...

Both are good and they do functionthe same. But Tudor is Tudor at the end.

@perpetuality

2 жыл бұрын

No doubt that Tudor has its brand power and behind a powerful sibling to its advantage. Thanks for watching!

@randomnameindeed

2 жыл бұрын

Tudor is an overrated in-house homage brand. Longines is a much more original brand.

I'll keep my GS SBGM245 over these two, but excellent comparo!

@perpetuality

2 жыл бұрын

That’s a great watch you have! Wouldn’t fault you for that call Thanks for watching 😃

Devosa GMT.....owned .2years excellent watch at £168

So get both!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!😁😁

@perpetuality

2 жыл бұрын

You might just have the right idea!

The price difference is obvious in that the Longines looks $1200 more than the Tudor. The finish of the Tudor hands have a lot of imperfection but is invisible to Tudor die hards. Tudor pedigree relies too much on Rolex so I’ve yet to see a review where Rolex is not invoked. Objectively, Longines is the better watch; but due to social contagion, I have a couple of Tudors 😃. Definitely add a couple of Longines to my collection.

@perpetuality

2 жыл бұрын

Well said. There is a spot in every collection for both a Tudor and a Longines I think! Thank you for watching and commenting

@antonhallergren588

Жыл бұрын

Yeah Longines makes better watches just in general than modern Tudors. Maybe not the hydrconquest or the conquest but there literally 1/3rd of the price of most Tudors and a Tudor isn't twice the watch a Hydrconquest is. Tudor makes great watches but omega makes better watches for not that much more and Longines makes watches equal or higher in quality for less. Although I have to say that the Tudor BB ceramic and the pelly are fantastic and BB chrono and heritage Chrono. Tudor needs to drop a Tudor submariner and a mini sub with basic sw200 or 2824s for 2000 dollars imo.

At first glance the longines looks higher quality. That's my reaction after two seconds.

I find the Longines to be the better value and more interesting watch, although the real value buy, and for those with average size wrists or just wanting more wrist presence, the Mido Ocean Star GMT is what I chose. 200m WR, 80h PR, and a true traveler's GMT. Hard to top that for its very modest price point.

I have the longines spirit zulu time in bracelet and I tried the black bay pro. I find the the black bay pro is much more comfortable to wear than the Longines. Undeniably the Longines looks better and gives better value with its third timezone capability. Quality wise, both are the same. Unfortunately, am leaning towards BB pro and plan to sell my Longines.

TBB is homage, Zulu is genuine watch.

@pokpongl

Жыл бұрын

well said.

Pretty easy to get the BB Pro now. Just shows you wait a little and these watches will be available.

For the price. The grand seiko quartz gmt 's

Wish Longines would lose those distracting "stars" on the dial. Reminds me of an Amazon review, with the Longines Zulu arrogantly giving itself five stars.

That’s the best color Longines too. I’m torn between to the two tbh.

Longines looks better and classier but a little too big for me. Tudor is all rounder. i pick longines.

Damn, that Longines is beautiful

Both beautiful watches. So I tried both and eventually went for the BB-Pro. Despite the beautiful dial of the Longines, I find it a bit too bling in my opinion (i've tried the green/gold version), compared to the Tudor. And the case of the Tudor is a nice size for my wrist. The Longines looks too big in my opinion. So I am now very happy with my BB-Pro.

@perpetuality

11 ай бұрын

Now they have a 39mm Zulu time and the decision is that much harder

The only thing i want on the Longines is the tfit clasp

I own an Explorer II and a Pepsi GMT II ... What the Ex2 offers that the GMT2 does not is inconspicuousness. People -- including those whom you might not want to -- notice a red/blue-bezel watch on a steel bracelet ... nobody notices the Ex2, which is a benefit in certain contexts. (Generally, though, better to simply not-go places where you can't comfortably/safely wear whatever watch you want.)

Longines!!

Even for the same money, I prefer the Longines Zulu time. Granted, I don’t like the Tudor GMT Pro’s look: I prefer the other Black Bay GMT, with the colored bezel. That would be a tougher decision.

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This Longines Spirit Zulu GMT is the most beautiful GMT of all.

Let’s assume the watches are equal, is the Longines warranty still 2 years? I know the Tudor is 5 years. That is a huge difference.

@perpetuality

Жыл бұрын

Longines warranty is now 5 years. “Longines extends the warranty to five years on all models using the antimagnetic silicon balance-spring”

@algorithm007ify

Жыл бұрын

5 years...Also, lower beat rate = longer service intervals, generally speaking.

@robertovidal5469

Жыл бұрын

Longines warranty is 5 years too… but if you buy the Longines in “Watches of Switzerland” they give 3 more years! that’s happened with me when I see 2 warranty cards, I called and they told me that…

Check out the Jack Mason a true GMT. I love my Zulu Time on leather.

Does anyone know of somebody who could competently mod the Zulu time to remove the stupid stars? I'd love to have the 39mm version ... but IMO the stars are just so tacky and unnecessary.

Which of the two is more accurate?

Does the BB Pro have the same movement issues as the Pepsi?

@Nachovalenti899

Жыл бұрын

Comment from an ignorant.

Can a watch have too many numbers on it? I think the dial can benefit if the numbers were replaced with other markers. Just looks way too busy for a GMT.

Tried both. Cannot compare Tudor quality control. Flawless.

I still do not like the tudor hour hand, I've really tried too however, nope 😢