Who is Santa Cruz's suspension test rider, Kiran MacKinnon and how does he do his job?
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Kiran MacKinnon is a human dyno. When Santa Cruz Bicycles needs to test, experiment and validate suspension then Kiran is the one of the main people we call on to do that work. Not only is he an extremely talented bike rider and incredibly knowledgeable about suspension, but he can actually interpret and translate what he's feeling in a way that he can communicate to the rest of the engineering team. This enables them to cross-reference the data they've collected with real life, on-trail experience to build better bikes and provide the right setup for our riders.
We're constantly refining our VPP™ suspension as well as the damping tunes shocks we spec on our bikes in order to make sure our bikes ride really, really good. This short film should give you some insight into the way we work and the people that do the work to make your rides better.
• About Santa Cruz Bikes •
Santa Cruz Bicycles was founded in 1993 in a space the size of a single car garage in the Seabright Cannery, in Santa Cruz California. Our first bike, the Tazmon, was a single pivot dual suspension bike that rattled established sensibilities and helped define our then ethos of "simply advanced." That bike was the cornerstone for a brand that was founded on the notion of doing things our own way in order to build the best. We have been rattling sensibilities ever since.
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Would love to see more insights into SC's development and engineering! Thanks guys!
@santacruzbicycles2841
Жыл бұрын
More to come!
If this is the dude responsible for the Megatower V2 Fox tunes, give that man a raise.
@jessehill3780
Жыл бұрын
Hopefully not responsible for the v1 mega superdeluxe tune. Thing was notoriously overdamped to the point with a shock change it was like a whole new bike according to all riders.
@PJJ205mtb
Жыл бұрын
@@jessehill3780 lol yeah, I still have my V1 completely refreshed and waiting for a buyer. I completely agree on the stiffness of the V1... my DHX2 definitely helped in that regard, but that was a painful bike to get along with for a little while there.
@jessehill3780
Жыл бұрын
@@PJJ205mtb I never actually rode one but was aware of so many comments and reviews talking about having to push past the rough spot (basically have to hit everything at Mach 10 to get it to activate). Then like the very last year of the v1 they put on the x2 and same mags reviewed it and we’re blown away by the bike and how different it was. It was like duh, anyone who did a tractive tune could have told you that thing was way way off. Surprising how far off they got that one.
One of the People responsible for how awesome my Megatower is, much appreciated!!!!
I definitely appreciate a ton being able to tune my bikes to what’s recommended by Santa Cruz and go from there. It’s never done me wrong.
heck yeah, kiran!
After watching this video I think Kieran is a fantastic engineer I will always buy a Santa Cruz bike because the engineering especially the VPP suspension technology is the best plus Santa Cruz have the best website ever when it comes to torque specs and exploded diagrams as well
We love you Kiran! Great video, love that you have grown to be such a valuable member of the SC team. :)
@santacruzbicycles2841
Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much!
Just upgraded my 7 yr old Bronson 2 with a second hand Fox X2. Kiran’s inspired me to start tinkering to find the perfect setup for my ride style 🤓👌 Cheers Kiran! (Also super sick you’re also into RC!)
Love the exchange with engineering. I did halfway expect some mention of the CAD "Digital Twin", but I guess this is the target audience for the video.
I raced with Kiran back in the day at Northstar, I remember him letting me check out his V10.4. Since then I have owned nothing but Santa Cruz, I'm on my 4th and cant wait to see what he makes out of the V10.8!
excellent piece, thanks for sharing! neat to see behind the scenes of bikes i've been riding since 2000. thx SC!
@santacruzbicycles2841
Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
Excellent content as usual.
@santacruzbicycles2841
Жыл бұрын
Much appreciated!
Dudes a beast on the trails 😮
This dude is awesome
Killer video 🤘🏼
This guys rides and runs RC cars. Sounds like a great man!
from my past all bikes - Vp free from 2004 my favorite! This is the perfect bike. Rear travel 215. But I can go 85-100 km without problems, when friends on hardtails pant from behind. I can go enduro, DH, СС, - it's all-purpose! ideal geo!) Haven`t money for try new models, but my oldschool is perfect!!!
@santacruzbicycles2841
Жыл бұрын
Very nice!
What Santa Cruz bike is Kiran riding in this video? He is killing it! Great video. I cant wait to see more!
@santacruzbicycles2841
Жыл бұрын
A Nomad in Windrock and Tallboy in AZ.
Hell yeah Kiran! 🤙 💘
What a cool guy 😎
Muito bacana , parabéns !
@santacruzbicycles2841
Жыл бұрын
Muito obrigado
Man I need to get out to Windrock.... that place looks killer!
@butchgreene
Жыл бұрын
You won't understand until you're there. Bring extra parts.
@MonsterChuck
Жыл бұрын
@@butchgreene good looking out, homie.
LIving the dream!
id love to hear his opinion on alternative drivetrain options especially regarding the influence of chain-movement on the rear-end characteristics/performance
@DrudgeAudio
Жыл бұрын
I guess that’s what the crestline Rs 205 is going for with their almost identical VPP setup and idler pulley, albeit with 200mm travel
@HannyDart
Жыл бұрын
@@DrudgeAudio well yeah and no. i shouldve made more clear what i meant by chain-influences. you can distinct to different ways the chain influences the suspension performance. first: the obvious pedal kickback story, that is fairly easy to manage using idlers and appropriate geometry. however in some cases (such as santacruz bikes for example) a certain amount of pedal-kickback is desired. second: the intertia induced slapping around of the lower part of the chain in conjunction with the cake of the derallieur (and its clutch). this has several effects. it will also induce a moment on the chainring and thus can also feel like pedal-kickback. on the rear end it the tension-forces will negatively effect the way the suspension moves. as the chain and the derallieur are really heavy parts of the rear end they essentially act as another sprung weight, that can also negatively effect the suspension dynamically. more so than just a lumb of metal with the equivalent unsprung mass. what could be done to mitigate this? the most straight forward thing to do would be for example a gearbox-bike with a belt (especially for downhill). you could also look into wwhat trinity-bikes or lal-bikes are doing
Lit🔥
Nice songs, where can I find a Playlist or info about the music?
...rad!
Everything was all pro Fox, even Jordi chimes in, then I see a Zeb @ Windrock!
Kiran ftw
If this guy research and developed the Chameleon make him CEO.
He's like your secret weapon. Some company might pirate him...
@santacruzbicycles2841
Жыл бұрын
Pirates don't get boarded...
Maybe can post his Zeb Settings? Would be nice :)
Santa Cruz👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
My question is, why do some Santa Cruz bikes come with mixed brand shocks and forks?
@santacruzbicycles2841
Жыл бұрын
We spec the very best parts that pair well with our designs. On some bikes the Rockshox is a better fit, on other bikes the Fox offerings are better.
What a total ripper
it's weird that this brand is not dominant in Enduro world series although they have the ultimate machine
@era2202
Жыл бұрын
guess it must not be the best
@_Jake.From.Statefarm_
9 ай бұрын
@@era2202 They spend their money on the DH race team.
Let me know when Kiran is looking to retire. I want this man’s job.
@santacruzbicycles2841
Жыл бұрын
Keep riding and reading and learning. Then hit us up with a 12,000 word essay about the relative effect of atmospheric differentials on suspension.
@Bolokization
Жыл бұрын
@@santacruzbicycles2841 can I wash the dishes instead?
Would like to see the Santa Cruz logo on the bike unless it’s a test bike
@santacruzbicycles2841
6 ай бұрын
The bike Kiran is riding is a pre-production bike. Typically he's riding mules years before we all see the final product. Then pre-production carbon bikes are produced approximately 12 months prior to launch and ridden extensively to check chassis stiffness, suspension tuning and details.
Schön, aber ich dachte, ich erfahre ein Bisschen etwas, was mir hilft, meinen Dämpfer einzustellen, es ist aber letztendlich eine Santa Cruz Werbung. Aber schön - dabei bleibe ich
@crislabossiere6234
Жыл бұрын
Wenn ich kann, würde ich gerne bei der Einrichtung Ihrer Federung helfen. Ich habe an meinem Santa Cruz mit vielen verschiedenen Kombinationen von Abstandshaltern und Luftdruck experimentiert und es fährt sich im Moment großartig. Sorry the poor translation, my German is not good yet 🙂 message me
what is the name of that part of phoenix?
@jimw2542
Жыл бұрын
Think it was trail 100
Interesting that the guy who kind of picks the suspension runs a rs front fox rear.
@santacruzbicycles2841
Жыл бұрын
This is a question we get asked alot. People think there is some sort of rule, or reason that you can't run a different brand fork and shock on the same bike. There are zero reason not to. If we really like the way a specific rear suspension works on a bike, we run it regardless of fork brand on the same bike model. Sometimes you just find the best of both worlds to get the overall feel you are looking for.
I forgot to mention Nick Anderson Santa Cruz engineer
I can’t ride as good as that. Will I still enjoy the bike?
what is the song at minute 4:49
"...deal with my perfectionist tendencies". Immediately next clip shows him hitting a shock bolt with just a t handle, no precisely calibrated torque wrench. 😁
@santacruzbicycles2841
Жыл бұрын
His inner torque indicator is so finely calibrated he doesn’t need one.😊
My friend put this bike together for his son and before I knew it he was done kzread.infoUgkxHL1v1R3NE5x4KiYfyt8dnQmyNYz7qi5L When the son came to put it together he was surprised to see it was already done. All he had to do was take the bike to get air and be on his way. My friend did not have any major problems putting this bike together; small issue was putting one of the brakes on straight; however when the son got home he was able to fix it. The bike rides well gears move correctly; good bike for the price. Wrote review after the son took the bike. Sorry.
I’ve learned the suspension that feels perfect for a pro ride will probably feel like crap to your average rider. Average riders probably make up 80% of bike sales
@santacruzbicycles2841
Жыл бұрын
This can be true, which is exactly why Kiran mentions that he's always looking for that balance to find the 'perfect tune' for varying types of riders👍
@crislabossiere6234
Жыл бұрын
Agree 100%. I've got a 2022 Tallboy. When I ride at my top speed the bike feels pretty damn good; the best MTB I've ridden in 35 years of riding. I'm neither skilled nor fit enough to ride the stock setup in its sweet spot. This results in the bike not feeling all that great at my usual speeds and lines. Nowhere near enough small bump unless I'm hammering. It's riding very well now that I've made mods with a Vorsprung Luftcappe in the fork and finding a better spacer/ psi combo for the rear. My take on it is I don't want a bike that's made for my sweet spot because I'm improving and don't want to exceed the bike. I want the bike to exceed me. It's not all that difficult to find a suspension tune that suits an individuals ability if the bike has range. But I'm not going to spend Santa Cruz $$ on a bike that runs out adaptability where the median of 80% of riders is, even though I'm not that far of that median myself. Easy to flip that and say it's just as easy to level up with mods to an average rider stock bike, but the kinematics and geo will always be for average speeds and handling. For me I'm excited to grow into the bike. I suppose that SC could have two suspension tune starting point recommendations, one for average riders, and one for slayers. That would save a lot of fafing around from the get-go on initial bike set up.
amazing that zuckerberg works at sc now
If this guy is responsible for my Nomad's setup it's understandable that the suspension feels way to “young” to be any good.
@jessehill3780
Жыл бұрын
I’m not sure what you mean by to young but I’ve found it to be a close starting point just needs more compression damping and less low speed rebound to keep from packing for the x2 anyway.
Man I feel like a dick for putting a megneg on my bronson and undoing this guys hard work 😂
@santacruzbicycles2841
Жыл бұрын
We all do things…some good, some not so good.
What I really like about Jordi is that he literally never tells you anything meaningful but yet he's considered THE suspension guru. He has made a career out of..... ummmm..... Oh - and isn't that a ZEB I see....? F Fox. But I do love my HT V2
@santacruzbicycles2841
Жыл бұрын
😂🤣😂
Can I send you money for a Hightower C frame? The CC is too much for me.
@santacruzbicycles2841
3 ай бұрын
Hit up your local dealer and see what they'll do.
@rmhfpv9225
3 ай бұрын
@@santacruzbicycles2841 only hightower cc frames are sold separately, i thought
Hiya,could you gimme a free bike?(just jokin)🚲
They just copy and paste frame designs now a days 😂😂
I like Santa Cruz bikes! Watching videos! But working in the bike industry is so terrible! Especially in the Bay Area!
Can't take anyone who uses air fork seriously for suspension discussion. How's that seal friction life.