Will LeBron lead the Cavs to the finals?

@illmuchi

6 жыл бұрын

Yes he will make the finals. Lebron has taken his game to another level. The way he's playing it highly possible that he win his 4th ring this year.

@bryanpotter3882

6 жыл бұрын

Yes he will take the Cleveland Cavaliers to the NBA finals LeBron James is mvp

@treyhall1984

6 жыл бұрын

it's going to be tuff , Boston is not playing and they look hungry to. and btw Jordan had way more help than LeBron ever had.

@marcmetrobuen9887

6 жыл бұрын

Yes because no one on the east could stop him...

@aviadam7101

6 жыл бұрын

Yes and then lose in 6 to the warriors, there's jus not enough consistent help to beat the warriors

Steve Kerr has had the most help in NBA history

@j.pipparker

5 жыл бұрын

Ying Li bruh.. swea. Even as a coach

@sandernista6499

5 жыл бұрын

He is the common denominator in all instances... he might be the reason why all those guys had success 😂

@j.pipparker

5 жыл бұрын

@@sandernista6499 He's been known for clutch shots too. He's like a Kyrie Irving in a Mario Chalmers body

@inombo

5 жыл бұрын

Agree. Both as player and coach. Blessed white boy Steve!

@jaz7119

5 жыл бұрын

Or robert horry

Skip: Jordan had no help, he carried the bulls Also Skip: The Bulls were loaded, easily the best team of all time

@mrjones422

4 жыл бұрын

The term you're looking for is "role players". Take Dennis Rodman for example. The man was one of the greatest rebounders and hustle players of all time. He was a hall of famer. Yet only average 7 Ppg for a career. He also never averaged even 1 block per game or one steal per game for a season his entire career. Yet was considered an elite defender, and won defensive player of the year 2 times, because he could get in the oppositions head and was good at taking charges. His impact on games could not be measured by stats alone. That is why the Bulls are still considered one of the best teams to ever do it. On the defensive side the Bulls teams were amazing. On the offensive end they basically had Jordan and Pippen with role players. A guy like Dennis' main role on the offensive end was to grab offensive rebounds.

@BULSHYTT

4 жыл бұрын

2 face lol

@jazztravis6817

4 жыл бұрын

Dude ✋ Stop

@toddanderson4056

4 жыл бұрын

Lebron James carried numerous team's he's been on now he can play how he want for real lebron Lakers

@millbillkillbill165

4 жыл бұрын

Miami Heat and Lakers really look at that roster and you will know who had more help..

Skip lies when he says that no player was an all star before they joined Jordan because Rodman was in 1990.

@kaankoksal1412

4 жыл бұрын

Cowardly Lions Only reason Pippen wasn’t one is because he was injured. He had played 14 games before the voting and STILL came in 3rd.

@jeremydalton2509

4 жыл бұрын

@Dats a paddlin In 92-93 with Jordan, Pippen averaged 18.6 ppg and in 93-94 without Jordan, Pippen increased his ppg a whopping 3.4 ppg to 22 ppg. Yea, it looks like Jordan was a ball hog lmao.

@kylekylelam2757

3 жыл бұрын

Exposed!!! 😂🤣😂🤣

@kevinjackson9573

3 жыл бұрын

@Dats a paddlin bj was never an all-star and LBJ played with players batter than Pippen namely Wade and Kyrie

@dudelittle147

3 жыл бұрын

Kevin Jackson lebron goat

before every argument they both always say "okay hold on, help me out here" 😂😂😂😂😂😂

@juicesquad5616

2 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😭💀

@marcowens3522

Жыл бұрын

🤣🤣😂😂😂

Sports debate shows are a great example of how you can find or twist statistics to create any narrative.

@jamesdjl4359

4 жыл бұрын

Absolutely. But, it shows that stats aren't everything. It's not all about analytics. You have to produce. You have to win. You cant just build up amazing stats and get the same level of appreciation. That's not a slight at any particular player. But, I think the media makes analytics the entire arguement sometimes. When it shouldn't be.

@SuperstarDJSupreme

4 жыл бұрын

Well said

@RevanLaughs

4 жыл бұрын

CDH Imagine how much politicians twist statistics to fit their narrative

@JonSmith-hk1bq

4 жыл бұрын

Pretty much Skip's career. Reduce the argument down to a single data point and make it everything. He's worthless.

@edccs1029

4 жыл бұрын

@@JonSmith-hk1bq 💯 FACTS

Don't let Skip fool you, Scottie got hurt and only played 44 games in 98. That's why he didn't make the all star team

@knicks8099

4 жыл бұрын

exactly. skip and shannon talk about things with no regard for context

@tyronemonsanto3090

4 жыл бұрын

MJ never had a teammate avg more than 22 points in his career and hes won a title with his 2th best player avg 12 points a game

@knicks8099

4 жыл бұрын

@@tyronemonsanto3090 who? scottie pippen's points were only diminished because he played next to an all time great scorer. and don't even talk about 94-95. it looked like scottie held back a little, not playing to his fullest. pippen was the 4th selected player for the dream team, the previous being mj, bird and magic. the man almost became one of the few in history to ever win dpoy and mvp together. he was 3rd and 4th in 94 and 7th and 2nd in 95

@tyronemonsanto3090

4 жыл бұрын

@@knicks8099 Pippen was great with MJ and After MJ left in 98 he never again made in All star selection and Wade won a ring without Lebron and Bosh was an all star before he Join Lebron in Miami too

@tyronemonsanto3090

4 жыл бұрын

@@knicks8099 Bron played with 14 all stars and MJ played with 6 all star

Fun fact. This just popped up on my recommendations nearly 3 years later in 2021.. AND I SWEAR TO GOD, at first I thought it was a 2021 topic. BECAUSE THEY ARE OBSESSED WITH TALKING ABOUT THE SAME THING DAILY LOL

@maddrone7814

9 күн бұрын

Recommended to me in 2024. I’ll take this back over what we have now

I like how Shannon weighs in on Rodman for winning 2 DPOY awards BEFORE joining Jordan. I wonder if he keeps the same energy about the 3 time DPOY Dwight Howard who was part of Lebron's 2020 championship team

@jeremykrause153

Ай бұрын

I think Rodman did more on the bulls than Howard did for the lakers tho.

@loukaspappas8476

Ай бұрын

@@jeremykrause153 probably. But my point is, there’s no reason to mention their past achievements in a “who had more help” debate. It’s what they did during their years with Jordan/LeBron that matters.

@jeremykrause153

Ай бұрын

@@loukaspappas8476 I agree

Skip is teaching me how to listen to my wife as she yells at me: "mm..hmm...yeah...hm..ok..yep...mm.."

@kingofkingz235

5 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

@tonycorbin506

5 жыл бұрын

Lmfao 🤣😂🤣

@rebelwood1122

5 жыл бұрын

I love it

@notting2640

5 жыл бұрын

'....mmhm interesting...'

@complete1699

5 жыл бұрын

lmao

Its funny how most of these MJ fans underrate Scottie so much.

@dmac5472

6 жыл бұрын

James Burgess and it hurts me as a Bulls fan who had Scottie as my fave player..nobody wanna respect how good he was.

@sonnyhensen4263

6 жыл бұрын

James Burgess it's funny how bronsexuals think pippen was that dude. When he wasn't, pippen couldn't shoot and couldn't score in the clutch. He went to central Arkansas lol

@ss4gogeta05

6 жыл бұрын

It’s funny how LeBron fans overrate Scottie so much. Jordan made Pippen look like one of the all time greats. Pippen only averaged 20 points or more twice in his career with Jordan. When LeBron has that for his best teammate people act like LeBron has no help.

@antdog8286

6 жыл бұрын

Scottie better than Kobe....

@SwiperNoSwiping458

6 жыл бұрын

When MJ left the bulls they went from a 57 win team to a 55 win team. When LeBron left Miami they didn't make the playoffs. Anyone who would take the Miami team over the 95 Bulls is crazy. You're talking about 72 win team with Pippen and Rodman.

Jordan was surrounded by great players because he made his teammates better. Look at Pippen when he first entered the league vs Pippen when the Bulls won their second championship. Scottie Pippen deserves all the respect in the world as an NBA legend, but don't tell me he didn't become a better player by being alongside Jordan.

@bilalamarumosi8282

7 ай бұрын

Jordan didn't make anybody better. If he did, then how

This debate didn't age well Lebron James had way more help than MJ Uncle shannon

@shubhamkumarmishra3942

2 жыл бұрын

Lmao you mad bruh?

@wazemo2764

2 жыл бұрын

@@shubhamkumarmishra3942 how is he mad?

@dynamic6645

2 жыл бұрын

Explain why LeBron has more help ? because *"he played with more all stars"* right ? what a dumb take, awards are media voted, a player's on court production, impact, physical abilites on court are what they actually are without an award, an award does not change what the player did or caused on the court.

@kushalmehta2667

2 жыл бұрын

Seems like this kid was born yesterday. Try watching some other sport coz basketball aint for u

@tyresesealey8337

2 жыл бұрын

LeBron needs the help because 1 he's getting old and 2 there are other super teams in the league so for him to actually have a chance to win he has to get help

I love Jordan but don’t disrespect Pippen, he is an amazing player

@cashflodigitalsportsnetwork

5 жыл бұрын

Orlando Z88 I’m get’n sick of that $h!t, was second in MVP the year Jordan left

@MINK2393

5 жыл бұрын

Cashflo Digital Sports Network - CDSN He was 3rd... The same way y’all Lebron fans disrespect Wade (who was better than Pippen)... Disrespect Kyrie who averaged damn near 30 in back to back finals... Disrespect Bosh, Ray Allen, and Love.... Stop it.. Pippen is a top 50 player of al time and a HOF but only because Jordan made him that... He was trash when he first came to the Bulls and wouldn’t have been a HOF and top 50 player without Jordan... Wade was already a HOF and established player without Lebron

@Rivs5117

5 жыл бұрын

MINK FACTS!!! Wade proved he could win without LeBron. Pippen couldn’t win without MJ at all.

@MINK2393

5 жыл бұрын

Bruce Rivers Facts Wade was a finals mvp, and a NBA champion way without Lebron.. Pippen isn’t winning a ring without Jordan

@Rivs5117

5 жыл бұрын

MINK 💯

scottie pippen wasnt an allstar in 98 because he was injured and only played 44 games and didnt start his season until january... the allstar game was in Febuary. He played 14 games before the allstar game. He was still third in voting among forwards with 475000 votes

@Oppenheimer1967

5 жыл бұрын

Rayray Schnapps Scottie had two seasons averaged 20 ppg Lol

@joshuasantore6903

5 жыл бұрын

@@JohnConroy. lebron durant curry ad harden giannis kawhi kyrie embid westbrook cousins lillard... etc etc

@CodeezyFBaby

5 жыл бұрын

Bump N Dump I know you didn’t seriously type “Draymond is probably top 10 or 15” smh but I do see and agree with your point

@Oppenheimer1967

5 жыл бұрын

ufster81 wanna know how good Dwayne Wade was without Lebron ? Won finals mvp averaging 33 ppg Lol

@CatoProduction

5 жыл бұрын

Benjamin Franklin this was before lebron got there wtf. 😭 After bron left wat happened to dwade?

The thing with Jordan was that he did make a lot of those players better. He was super strict with everyone on the team, as much as he was on himself, and the players trained like they were maniacs because Jordan was a real psycho, breathing down their necks. Of course, a few of the players didn't need that motivation, they were already super tough and played hard. But Dennis Rodman, and Scottie Pippen, Steve Kerr, they all were whipped by jordan.

@gdiggedy9

3 жыл бұрын

And Lebron never pushed any of his teammates. He either had them traded away or he left.

@kevinclark-cn2mf

Жыл бұрын

@@gdiggedy9 Good luck trying to push Love and Irving, Jordan would have put them both in the insane asylum.

LeBron - Wade - Bosh - Allen - Kyrie - Love - AD - Westbrook Jordan - Pippen - Rodman

@dynamic6645

2 жыл бұрын

2013 nba finals: Game 7: Chris Bosh, Ray Allen 0 points 2014 nba finals: Dwayne Wade = 15 ppg 43 FG% 33 3P% Chris Bosh = 14 ppg 54 FG% 38 3P% 2015 nba finals: Kyrie played one game Kevin Love stats: N/A 2016 nba finals: Kevin Love in game 2: 5 points 28 FG% 25 3P% in 20 mins, had a head concussion and missed game 3, his final averages: 8.5 ppg 36 FG% 26 3P% 2017 nba finals: Kevin Love in game 3: 9 points 11 FG% 14 3P% Kyrie Irving in game 3: 0 points in the last 5:29 minutes of the game Kyrie Irving in the 4th quarter of game 5: 0 points 0 FG% LOL

@GG-lr3gv

2 жыл бұрын

@@dynamic6645 I wish I had the ability to pick and choose like this

@becauseitsnecessarypodcast

9 күн бұрын

⁠@@dynamic6645where’s James’ stats? And those stats aren’t indicative of the actual players. They just weren’t good enough when it was time to be good enough.

Michael Jordan averaged 28 points in his rookie year bruh

@islandchief2572

4 жыл бұрын

pramey tripathi with checks

@dahc0023

4 жыл бұрын

He was literally playing against mail men and truck drivers😂 let’s be real on his level of competition

@Jon155mt

4 жыл бұрын

@@dahc0023 So a prime Larry Bird was a mail man? Yeah, you don't know basketball 🤣🤣🤣

@zroxmolejon6278

4 жыл бұрын

@@dahc0023 kids today like karl malone is a plumber ahhahhahah like they are there when had played

@dahc0023

4 жыл бұрын

Jon155 you literally named one player lmao. Any person with half a brain could see how the game has evolved from the late 80s early 90s MJ was one in like less than 10 people with decent agility and athleticism

How is this even a debate? Dude literally left a team to join a super team and still lost.

@DawzeyJ

6 жыл бұрын

How is this even a debate - Lebron left a team that was a ONE seed with him and then became a LAST seed without him, and when Jordan left his team they won 50+ games and almost made it back to the finals SMH

@ihateyoutubehandlesxX

6 жыл бұрын

JDawOfficial You act like bron won a championship with that Cavs team. If you compare Bron's championship team to that team then bron had more help. Twisting the narrative to fit because at that point that team had already won 3 back to back titles of course they were better than the 06 07 Cavs guy. Your rebuttal is invalid.

@DawzeyJ

6 жыл бұрын

I'm not acting like they won a championship with that team?? What are you even talking about? Just putting words in my mouth. Not twisting the narrative - HE LEFT A ONE SEED AND THEY BECAME A LAST SEED because that team sucked - a team he played on for 7 years, not one, that he somehow dragged to a finals. And you are the one "twisting the narrative" - yeah they had won 3 straight.. because of how much help MJ had which was clear after he left. What happened to the Miami team that Lebron left that had gone to 4 straight finals? Answer me that? Oh yeah, they sucked without him. You're whole position is invalid. Cop an L

@504steppa3

6 жыл бұрын

JDawOfficial he dumb asl they had shaq and yung wade come on now and bosh wasn’t even on the team bring Came and they got bosh from raptors dwade was by hisself so is y’all forgetting tht too?

@504steppa3

6 жыл бұрын

Not too mention he still carried the HEAT WHEN HE GOT THERE ALSO

Don’t forget about coaching staff. Phil Jackson was who made Jordan so dominant when he introduced the triangle offense

@alfarouqaminufor3892

3 жыл бұрын

Statistically no, Jordan's stats was far better with Doug Collins. In terms of winning yes, but remember it was Jordan who made the plays not Phil.

@samuelgustafsson2322

3 жыл бұрын

@@alfarouqaminufor3892 right! Phil made them a team but Michael was most dominant in the late 80s under Collins!

@safikadir4369

3 жыл бұрын

@@samuelgustafsson2322 most dominant yes but they were going nowhere

@iamfibby5678

3 жыл бұрын

you forget why its called triangle offense to make way for jordan doing 1 on 1. thats how dominant he is. triangle came from doug collins. not jackson and jordan.

@digimon3522

2 жыл бұрын

Jordans most dominant individual years were pre phil jackson! The triangle actually made jordan less dominant but the team became better! He learned to be a better team player through Phil and the triangle! Its partly Lebron fault that he doent have great coaches and that he hops grom teams to teams to better his chances for winning a chip! Plus dont act like everywhere LeBron goes his teams have always been great and have always catered to his playstyle! Plus you really cant really build around LeBron on the long term as he has the mentality to go to another team as he sees fit! He has always had great teammate except for his first stint in Cleveland or after Kyrie left for boston!

Michael Jordan never played with another player who demanded a double team, that pretty ends this debate.

@kingralo5954

2 жыл бұрын

Not really

Pippen became good with Jordan. Wade was already good

@danieal46

4 жыл бұрын

KYRIE BECAME GOOD WHEN LBJ CAME BACK & HE HELPED HIM BECOME AN ALLSTAR!

@dentoncrenshaw6773

4 жыл бұрын

MJ lost in the first round 3 times in a row before pippin came

@DRWRITER08

4 жыл бұрын

Thassa Flex pippen wasn’t an all star the moment he came in. It took a couple years . MJ molded him. MJ is the goat still regardless

@DonkeyKong5479

4 жыл бұрын

Thassa Flex LeBron couldn’t make the playoffs until Larry Hughes showed up

@TheAlexJimenez

4 жыл бұрын

DEE~LYTE hope. He was already good. Lebron wouldn’t have came back if not. He was already averaging 20 and had the most buzzer beaters. You can’t name any star that played better with lebron.

I'm weak af @ Shannon tryna throw Charles Oakley on there 😂😂😂😂😂

@Abbad1579

3 жыл бұрын

Charles Oakley wasn't even making those all-defense teams when he played on the bulls. Shannon should be banned from talking about LeBrick.

@CustomFitted

3 жыл бұрын

@@Abbad1579 It was ridiculous he really tried to slide Oakley in there lmao

@jaredfinley4986

3 жыл бұрын

oaks the man . brought fear to all opposed him

@MalofrmdaO

3 жыл бұрын

😂

@lph_802

3 жыл бұрын

@@CustomFitted but when people bring up lebron on the cavs, they bring up he had shaq? and don’t mention that he was old and out of shape. but when it’s jordan he gets a pass. interesting how the narrative changes

Lmao, Shannon cant belive what hes talking about himself 😂😂

@dominiquejones3805

3 жыл бұрын

Lbj monopolized the East with Wade who would of been Finals MVP 2011 if they won add Bosh. AD, Love and Irving yo it's not even close whose had more help

It's amazing how Shannon revises NBA History with a straight face lol.

@drewski103

3 жыл бұрын

Jordan fans do it all the time. Saying jordan retired for two years when in reality he retired for a year and a half and turned the ball over in the deciding possession of the magic series.

@robertofranciscor.beltran5588

3 жыл бұрын

@@drewski103 Cherry picking semantics lol.

@TouchdownTamagotchi

3 жыл бұрын

They have to cherry pick history to try to make a argument for LeBron lol

@immortal8447

3 жыл бұрын

@John Kavanagh it’s not his fault his two all stars didn’t show up in 2014. It was literally LeBron vs the spurs. MJ quit on his team twice because he was scared of playing outside of Phil’s system. We’d view his career a lot different if he didn’t retire prematurely twice

@aaronrooks2703

3 жыл бұрын

@@immortal8447 When did Jordan quit on his team

Skip is not good at arguing with Shannon. When Shannon said: "of all all stars that have played with LeBron, name one who had better defense than Scottie Pippen." Well, the same argument could be done for the opposite side of the court, of all all stars that played with MJ name one better at scoring than DWade and Kyrie!

@TheDudeAbides1998

6 жыл бұрын

Chris Faux- Skip doesn't even have to say anything. Lebron played with way more all stars and we know Shannon loves to shine Lebron's scepter. Bronsexuals don't want to bring up the stat sheets.

@ryanr20091

6 жыл бұрын

scoring is only one facet of the game . jordan did the scoring while teammates did the rest so you can say lebron had more jobs to do . one could make the argument that jordan teammates did more him than james teammates did. Lebron lead in all major statistical categories . now imagine if all lebron had to do was score wouldn't that be alot easier

@TheDudeAbides1998

6 жыл бұрын

ryanr20091, Lebron is BARELY a better rebounder and getting assist than MJ or Kobe- so much doing for so much more. Lebron doesn't know how to play with others. Doesn't know how to memorize plays or play without the ball. Lebron is great with guys that can space the floor. Imagine him without those sharp shooters? I remember the 2007 finals.

@mrROFLsauce1

6 жыл бұрын

EmperorJBO bringing up Kobe means you’re argument is null and void. Kobes not even a top 10 player.

@The-Heart-Will-Testify

6 жыл бұрын

JBerta kobe is better than lebron. Thats why USA team begged kobe to save them from losing to Spain and Argentina lol

Skip dodges more questions thats in Lebron favor than Ive ever seen before. He just answers a question with a question lol

@hershelpogue1745

6 жыл бұрын

finesse laflare ... No Skip Bayless answer the fantasy the Shannon Sharpe is having about Jordan more help than LaBaby is. LaBaby had 14 all-stars. Vs Jordan six.

@UltraxInstinct

6 жыл бұрын

hershel pogue You just made entirely no sense. But okay.

@UltraxInstinct

6 жыл бұрын

hershel pogue Lebron never had a good team for more than 4yrs Jordan his whole career

@the54th34

6 жыл бұрын

finesse laflare Whole career? LOL You're showing your age here 😂

@hulkdaddy71

6 жыл бұрын

Here's the kick in the nuts.....Jordan lead the Bulls to a chip, with Dennis Hopson, Craig Hodges, Cliff Livingston, Bill Cartwright, Will Perdue, and Stacey King.

People always talk about how Jordan's team was loaded and how he always had the best players. When MJ came out of retirement the Bulls record was 34-31, they won 13 of their next 17 regular-season games to finish 47-35. The following year they went 72-10... Who really elevated that team... because it wasn't Pippen.

@dynamic6645

3 жыл бұрын

Except the fact that the bulls also added dennis rodman.

@amadoubah9176

2 жыл бұрын

@@dynamic6645 expect the fact the won 3 before he got theee

@lilscotty7116

9 ай бұрын

@@amadoubah91760 before pippen 🤷🏾‍♂️ pippen lead them ecsf game 7 came 2 mvp when jordan was force out the league

I got to say these two guys are good together. Thanks for a wonderful show. Keep up the good work!

Bill Cartwright, Luc longely, Bill Wennington ect...These are the guys Jordan had back when the NBA was a CENTER dominated league. Against guys like David Robinson, Hakeem Olajuwon, Alonzo Morning, Shaquille Oneal, Patrick Ewing, Kareem Abdul Jabar, Rick Smits...need i go on? Come on. These were different era's. Jordan performed when hand-checking and centers were critical and Jordan never had ONE great one.

@sroland3533

5 жыл бұрын

Open Up their Eyes for me with some Common Sense Plz ... I Thank You

@meexamillion2386

5 жыл бұрын

The bulls other than mj pip, wouldn't be able to get on an nba floor. Hands down lebron has had more help. Jordan never jumped ship or ever recruited players. Worst player bron ever had I'm thinking deliadova, but he better than...Dickie simpkins member him....off topic that's why I think warriors would beat the bulls. Bulls would barely beat the Cavs. Only because of Jordan's greatness.

@joshuamoore1300

5 жыл бұрын

Ragen Storm now put four of those guys together and that’s who lebrons playing against

@MozTheBoz

5 жыл бұрын

@oj lott He had Orlando Woolridge back then he's a decent center.

all star is a fan vote...chris kaman was an all star

@natedablack7857

5 жыл бұрын

Actually, coaches are given a vote as well.

@isaiaharmand9901

5 жыл бұрын

Cause chris Kaman was acutally decent

@Carefreeblues

5 жыл бұрын

Kaman was legit that year.

@michaelgomes6658

5 жыл бұрын

He probably Kaman his pants when he made All-Star

@iSammie2

5 жыл бұрын

M Gomes lmaoooo

" I think 14 is much more than 6" This guy is a genius

Skip literally finds one stat in his favor and he runs with only that the whole debate

@KleinpeterHank

2 жыл бұрын

Better than Shannon who had no stats and ran with Oakley being some noteworthy player like a Dwade or Kyrie.

Soo now Shannon is knocking Jordan for staying with his team.. Than LeBron for bouncing team to team..

@sigmundsanders8064

5 жыл бұрын

Cue Doyle mike went to Washington

@cuedoyle918

5 жыл бұрын

@@sigmundsanders8064.. He was part owner of the team.. Him playing was about money.. Reason number one is here donated his salary from playing to the families of 9/11 victims.. Number 2 Washington wasn't selling it any games.. What better way to fill the seat than having Micheal freaking Jordan on your team?? Then he needed to groom his young team.. And from ages 38 - 40 put up 20pts 6rebs 6ast.. #GOAT

@notmeagain4872

4 жыл бұрын

Cue Doyle there was no reason for Jordan to live his team tho🤦🏾‍♂️ he had great and healthy players

@altair227

4 жыл бұрын

@AgooD Avgguy​ AgooD Avgguy all this sentences you wrote fell short and invalid because of one thing MJ left they didn't win any rings in 1994&1995 the GOAT returned they won another 3peat yeah kiddo your HOF with their GOAT couch phil Jackson FAILED to win Sh*t without MJ defeat that kiddo.

@shaunphillips3236

4 жыл бұрын

@AgooD Avgguy ur ignorance is laughable #FACTS smfh. U said that the OWNER brought the best?!!!!! 🤫😱🤣😂. Reinsdorf gave control of all basketball decisions to Krause. He's been documented SEVERAL times as saying that. Krause was NOTORIOUS for being cheap. Phil Jackson was a ROOKIE head coach before coaching CHI, he took over for Doug Collins. U mentioned organizations win chips but how many chips has CHI won since MJ left with Krause? 0! The triangle was successful because of MJ & players like MJ, see Kobe Bryant. It's about space, angles & ball movement. U know NOTHING ABOUT NBA BASKETBALL

Its like skip intentionally made this question and put it on 🤣🤣

@Killcommies

5 жыл бұрын

Tristen Vro 😂😂😂

@Killcommies

5 жыл бұрын

Tristen Vro at 0:08-0:09 it sounds like Shannon says it’s lebron😂😂😂

@stonelove9048

4 жыл бұрын

Yep, he frying Leshannon

@proffesorsk9080

4 жыл бұрын

Stone Love wrong

@GODEXAULTS

4 жыл бұрын

Lol yup cuz shannon really had no argument here. Lebron has had multiple allstars for most of his career

That’s easy, it was LeBron. He played with at least 15 all stars, 15 Olympian, had over 100 trades to help his team. MJ never cried for help. Scottie was coming off the bench MJs first chip.

Shannon is missing something. The Bulls winning 55 wins were residuals from being a championship team. What happened the following year? They weren't even in the playoff run. They were about to miss the playoffs. How do you fall off that far WITH PIPPEN if he was such a great player? MJ came back and led them to the playoffs and 3 more championships.

@mikecoleman7097

2 жыл бұрын

Duh, because You lose Horace Grant (all-star) to the magic. You lose Cartwright to Seattle. Jon Paxson retires. Pip was 1st in Def Eff and 2nd in def winshares. He was phenomenal

@4sng4sng62

2 жыл бұрын

The truth is the 1st 3peat bulls were extremely overpowered nobody won more than 2 games against them except knicks 1 year lol

@sethe6

2 жыл бұрын

You could use this same argument for lebron but tenfold because directly after he leaves the team utterly falls apart

@Wyndamn

2 жыл бұрын

@@sethe6 no lies detected here 👍👍👍

@MrBarberboy42

2 жыл бұрын

Pippen got farther on his own with the Bulls then Michael did on his own.

These Jordan LeBron debates are actually boring now

@bballlife8126

6 жыл бұрын

Eric Appiah-Kubi yea they reaching hard for lebron lol coming up with crazy stuff man

@brandoonf6962

6 жыл бұрын

agree.

@DonkeyKong5479

6 жыл бұрын

“hEz MoRe VeRzAtILe aNd cAn dO mOrE” according to Bronsexuals bring a slightly better rebounder and racking up a few more assists makes you more well rounded lol might as well include Westbrook and Draymond in the convo while we’re at it

@russell9411

6 жыл бұрын

Legendaryhype reaching? I mean if Jordan was good enough get to finals he wouldn't be 6-0 in finals. LeBron made finals at age 22

@mikemoggerson6651

6 жыл бұрын

Andrew Blackop You're not very smart, are you? I'm not a Lebron fan, but "racking up a few more assists lol". Lebron is literally 100x the passer Jordan was. You can't even compare their playmaking skills. And yes, Lebron is the far more versatile player.

In Game 1 of the Lakers Finals, MJ went for 36/8/12 on 58% shooting. I'll take that over Magic's 19/10/11.

@kevinburke6055

4 жыл бұрын

Isaac Russell 19 points? The way Shannon was talking it felt like he put up 35.

@isaacrussell5844

4 жыл бұрын

@@kevinburke6055 Exactly, 19 poiints, 10 boards, 11 assists. Shannon acts like MJ didn't show out. He also had 3 steals that game. Ended the series 31 points, 6.6 boards, 11.4 assists, 2.8 steals, 1.4 blocks on 55%. All that in a more physical, less floor space era. Just the GOAT.

@isaacrussell5844

2 жыл бұрын

@@demontiakpinkney5881 And Magic won 5 to Jordan's 6, but that's not the issue. Plus, in Game 6, after Pippen was put on Magic, Magic had 16 points, 20 assists, and 11 rebounds. So, he dropped bigger tripple-double on Pippen.

@isaacrussell5844

2 жыл бұрын

I think you are wrong, but importantly, you are responding to an argument I didn't make. I was talking about the 1991 Finals and Pippen guarding Magic...

@antbull0749

Жыл бұрын

To be honest the 2 year break enabled MJ not to wear down and continue his dominance

The difference is that the Bulls drafted pippen and grant, then Jordan taught them how to be killer on the court. It was wade that had to teach Lebron how to be a winner. Lebron had so much help throughout his career that it's not even funny.

@MrBarberboy42

2 жыл бұрын

Jordan taught them?? No. The Pistons taught them.

@marshallmaxwell2494

2 жыл бұрын

​@@MrBarberboy42 If the Pistons taught the Bulls then Jordan and Pippen would have been dirty players just like the Pistons.

@MrBarberboy42

2 жыл бұрын

@@marshallmaxwell2494 Dirty Players? They were Champions. They didn't play any dirtier than any other team. They might've been tougher. MJ is my favorite player. But that loss to the Pistons pushed him to another level. If he had beaten those Pistons early he may have not gotten to 6.

@marshallmaxwell2494

2 жыл бұрын

Everyteam in the league back then knew that the pistons were dirty and that's why Thomas was kept off the Dream Team. I don't know how old you are but I watched those games first hand. The Pistons were dirty.

@MrBarberboy42

2 жыл бұрын

@@marshallmaxwell2494 😂. You must not have a basketball background. It was basketball in the 80's and early 90's. Name me one team that didn't play rough basketball. Basketball isn't Golf. It's a physical sport.

Tbh Steve Kerr and Phil Jackson are the most helped players/coaches of all time

Skips argument was based off of one thing and that was All-Star appearances

@virgilmanuel3224

3 жыл бұрын

Well you do make an all-star team for a reason, it’s either you put up great stats, influence winning on a team, or both. So counting all star appearances does matter

@HTxGhost24

3 жыл бұрын

@@virgilmanuel3224 who has more now?

@virgilmanuel3224

3 жыл бұрын

@@HTxGhost24 more what? more help? Lebron always had more help than MJ

@HTxGhost24

3 жыл бұрын

@@virgilmanuel3224 I meant more All Star selections, remember Dwyane Wade already had bad knees when LeBron got to Miami, but if you wanna say how GREAT he is then how come he doesn't get any blame for the Dallas series? 🤔

@thegreatestfinesser2338

2 жыл бұрын

@@HTxGhost24 Because D Wade was the reason Miami was even in control of dat series he averaged 27 on 52% shooting he was the best player in dat series Lebron melted down like we’ve never seen a superstar melt before

Don’t forget Dennis Rodman. And Young Charles Oakley in 86’

@Amick44

4 жыл бұрын

Very good role players. Only Scottie was a true star.

@kennybrown2699

4 жыл бұрын

Harper all defense as well...smh and kokoc ain't no slouch

@allanhouston6759

3 жыл бұрын

RODMAN was old, good only in the 1996 Playoffs. But in the 1997 and 1998 Playoffs, he was terrible. Prime RODMAN played vs MJ. 1997 Playoffs: RODMAN = 4-ppg FG-37% and 8-RPG. 1998 Playoffs: RODMAN = 5-ppg FG-37% and 12-RPG.

@TheLuscious

3 жыл бұрын

Oakley was traded over Jordan’s objections

@davissmith7525

3 жыл бұрын

Oakley made one all star when he was a knick Bosh made 5 time all star, kevin love 5 all stars, Rodman 2 none of them with the bulls mmmm I could go on and on son

Didnt Lebron have Wade, Bosh, and Ray Allen,arguably the 3rd best 3point shooter in NBA history and in Cleveland didnt he have Love and Kyrie And jus curious doesnt Lebron play the PG role besides for Rodman and Pippen who else did he have the difference was MJ had role players that knew there role

@johnjoshtvofficial7633

3 жыл бұрын

Shannon can’t even mention DWade and his achievements and he keeps avoiding the 2011 Finals and saying The Mavs swept LA and Kobe shrink LOL D Wade was a proven player when Lebron played with him Scottie is a superstar yes but Wade has the better numbers

@thrawncaedusl717

3 жыл бұрын

The Golden Boy I’m late to the party, but I have always thought that Wade and Kobe were closer than a lot of people think. Kobe was a better shooter, but Wade’s handles and finishing ability was all-time great.

@jigglyjuice7907

3 жыл бұрын

LeBron played with an old dwade prime dwade was from 2006 to 2008

@johnjoshtvofficial7633

3 жыл бұрын

Jiggly Juice you sure? LOL have you seen D Wade in 2011-2013? LOL

@jigglyjuice7907

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnjoshtvofficial7633 wade was good but LeBron joined wade pretty late

Ha I can watch this video over and over all day. Hail the greatness of Jordan.

They are missing the point of today’s top NBA teams consist of multiple All Star players. Having more than one All Star on a team during the Jordan era was considered rare because All Star players would not recruit other All Stars to produce a super team.

@nadavoneplus7568

6 жыл бұрын

Jon T Lebron did it when he moved to miami. He couldnt win teams so he moved to a superteam with 3 all stars and great veterans.

@nightdonutstudio

6 жыл бұрын

Good points. Nowadays most top teams has more than two all stars. So it is harder to beat other top teams with only 1 or 2 all stars.

@wallogodly9511

6 жыл бұрын

Nadav Oneplus no no he help form the superteam

@jont5800

6 жыл бұрын

Kohlabear Plays There was a superteam in Boston that gave the Cavs trouble in years prior to Lebron moving to the Heat.

@douglassgarvey653

6 жыл бұрын

MJ's era there were many super teams and many teams with at least 2 all stars on them.

It’s official, Shannon is more entertaining than skiuuuuup

@jcsjay

6 жыл бұрын

Juan Felipe lmao. He's ALWAYS been more entertaining. Don't agree with the LeBron meat chewing but i get it. It's for the show.

@ayog8846

6 жыл бұрын

Where you been at???

@elka555

6 жыл бұрын

Juan Felipe skip is more accurate though...

@HoodReportTV

6 жыл бұрын

Skip was the weakest link on First Take also

@david77steele

6 жыл бұрын

Juan Felipe he is, but his argument was off track and weak on this one. He's awesome, just not in this topic.

MJ had to fight the coach and management and LeBron had everything he has ever asked for.

@Ddvgh1

3 жыл бұрын

Jordan had the best coach in nba history and an incredible organization. LeBron played for a historically horrible organization. 🤡🤡🤡

@aaronrooks2703

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ddvgh1 You’re stupid. Phil Jackson didn’t even get recognition until Krause saw something in him

@sujalgautam9761

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ddvgh1 bruh way to contradict yourself lmao

@Ddvgh1

3 жыл бұрын

@@aaronrooks2703 what does that have to do with how good Phil was as a coach?

@Ddvgh1

3 жыл бұрын

@yellow Arrow are you saying Phil is nothing without MJ? Cause I can pull up various stats on just how good a coach he was if you so desire.

These debates are classic honestly 😂😂😂😂😂

Right now in Lebron's 14th season he has 3 rings and 4 MVPs. In MJ's 14th season he was decorating his display closet with 6 Championship rings and 5 MVPs along with 2 Slam Dunk champion trophies and 1 time Defensive player of the year trophy.

@PearlJamGuy10

6 жыл бұрын

Londzale dont forget LeBron's two bronze medals!!

@Karma-hy6ki

6 жыл бұрын

Wtf you really brought up Jordan’s 2 slam dunk trophies? Lebron was robbed of defensive player of the year twice smh.

@Karma-hy6ki

6 жыл бұрын

Also don’t compare it by season compare it by AGE.

@josiah111

6 жыл бұрын

Karma comparing it by age would be unfair, Jordan played 4 years in college and LeBron came out of highschool. Comparing by number of series shows who's done more in the same amount of time

@rudy1999

6 жыл бұрын

You forgot 10 scoring titles

While Skip is forever hating Lebron...I think it's different as Lebron had multiple sets of great supporting casts while Jordan had a more consistent set of help... but isn't this a team sport? They're talking as if it is a bad thing that a standout player had a good supporting cast

@lukeyost7566

6 жыл бұрын

TyrantT316 thank you...

@waltjones6927

6 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately Common sense isnt common...W for you tho cuz u right...

@thegreatone9850

6 жыл бұрын

First 3 peat he only had pippen LeBron oh sorry never 3 peated GTFOH!

@bobbyd6097

6 жыл бұрын

Lebron has had more all star talented players supporting him on and off his career, but Mj did have longer lasting support from Scottie and Phil. Then factor that players like Horace Grant and Scottie were 7ppg rookies, MJ helped develop them. There's multiple factors to this.

@shamariopatterson1354

6 жыл бұрын

TyrantT316 I don't blame skip Shannon is an Idiot.

Michael Jordan and LeBron James are both great players, and both had help from other great players along the way.

@danielpauley9113

2 жыл бұрын

You need help

@AmirKhan-yv8jm

2 жыл бұрын

LeBron never had a HOF coach like Phil Jackson!

@dewman7477

2 жыл бұрын

MJ goat

skip:4 years is a long time shannon:is it longer then the 10 years jordan has with scottie pippen

Jordan would never allow Jason Terry to out play him

@xonre2

5 жыл бұрын

Lebron did tho

@MrIncredibleGuy

5 жыл бұрын

Facts. This debate should have ended after the 2011 finals.

@ravenpanganibanlim8170

5 жыл бұрын

How bout mj's first round exits? Why did he allowed it dude can u explain pls. And fyi he is wt teammates who score 20 plus points. Explain pls sir

@MrIncredibleGuy

5 жыл бұрын

Raven Panganiban Lim He was missing Pippen, once Pippen joined it was a wrap.

@ravenpanganibanlim8170

5 жыл бұрын

@Adidas Man44 lol and consider that era too. Midrange scoring that era is so easy and im saying players now have more competition than tha oldschool era.

Give MJ Ty Lue & JR Smith. Give LeBron Phil Jackson & Pippen. Lets see who has the better career now.

@iamEricHall

6 жыл бұрын

OzzY FIFA Jordan. LBJ and Pippen play the same type of game. Jordan does not lose with Wade and Bosh period. 4-0. LBJ would probably be 2-4 with Phil Jackson and the Bulls.

@artsXart

6 жыл бұрын

I co-sign Eric Hall. This is the closest to accurate outcome. MJ wins all Finals with Wade and Bosh. No questions asked. Lebron loses half those Finals. MJ is 6 of 6 Lebron is 3 of 8. Keeping with percentages, giving Lebron %50 win rate is better than his actual.

@allenreynolds3136

6 жыл бұрын

Ozzy FIFA Lebron isn't a system player therefore he wouldn't fit with Phil and Pippen. Pippen was Lebron.

@jaylighten2641

6 жыл бұрын

OzzY FIFA how about Kyrie and Love with it. Or Wade and Bosh. 😂😂😂 I see how you tried to cherry pick

@DsLmaNiaC

6 жыл бұрын

MJ was not stupid enough to de and his while team traded or Phil Jackson fires just to get a him like Tyron Lue coach him. That is why he is thr greatest and that is why he is 6-0.

Love this show

LeBron has had better overall teams then Michael Jordan I won’t lie, but MJ had consistency in his robin, consistency in what’s built around him & consistency in being coached by an all time great coach . Part of Jordan being successful is partly due to that little bit of luck, but mostly good management around him . A factor highly underrated in today’s NBA

@Wyndamn

2 жыл бұрын

BIG facts.

@downbadichigo9331

Жыл бұрын

Better overall teams? The bulls have a claim to be the best team of all time, none of LeBrons teams do

@Wyndamn

Жыл бұрын

@@downbadichigo9331 yeah Chicago signing a superstar defender spectacular rebounder in Dennis Rodman, that's definitely true.

@problemsnearyou3863

Жыл бұрын

@@downbadichigo9331 that happened in 96 . The culture, core & system was figured out by then . LeBron put himself in many new situations & many/all of which had injury plagued stars . The 96 season is a result of maturation, culture & chemistry coming together . That team wasn’t that talented . It had role players who fulfilled their roles perfectly

@legendarywiimaster

Жыл бұрын

Coaching as well LeBron not having a great environment or coaching system I think ended up hurting his development

Jordon fans: Lebron had way more help than Jordon Also Jordon fans: 1996 Bulls is the best team of all time, they'd destroy the Warriors

@jamesdjl4359

4 жыл бұрын

I do think that lebron in Miami had a better team than Jordan for his first 3 championships. Lebron,Wade, Bosh, Allen... That's easily an All time Great team. Lebron best small forward, Wade arguably 3rd best shooting guard, Bosh rebounding and defensive monster, Allen one of the greatest shooters we've ever seen(especially 3's). I think Miami in that year matches up very well with 96' Bulls.

@bigbuffguy9589

4 жыл бұрын

Eh, I think that's a little disingenuous. They both had help. Who had more isn't really that important to me. What does matter is that Jordan is the greatest of all time and the '96 Bulls are also the greatest of all time *in large part due to Jordan*. The other primary reason the '96 Bulls are the best is that they could basically lock down your top four scoring options because they were such a devastating defensive team. Only a dominant center could really do major damage, and even there, Rodman was actually capable of defending Shaq, and they had lots of fouls to give up with their lesser frontcourt guys. I don't think any team in NBA history really matches up that well with them.

@josephkennedy2953

4 жыл бұрын

AAA. internet they played defense n everyone knew their role

@ryucaro

3 жыл бұрын

AAA. internet that is true though

"don't do that" "help me out" "hold on, now"

Lebron played with 12 all stars compared to Jordan's 4 Lebron also played with a Finals MVP, ROY, scoring champion, and 2 guys who averaged 20 pts & 10 rebounds in their prime. Jordan never played with those kind of players especially in their prime

@reeceradford2547

3 жыл бұрын

Correct! MJ got carried by HoF and some of the best defenders of all time instead

@kingjay6611

2 жыл бұрын

By your name, your disqualified from saying anything

@cowboys4ever348

2 жыл бұрын

Says who?

@AllHailxBuzz25

2 жыл бұрын

Weak ! Oh so we going to forget about Phil Jackson ? He didn’t want to play unless Phil was coach ! Lbj ever have a goat coaching him no ! D rod is better then ever player Lbj played w except wade !

@cowboys4ever348

2 жыл бұрын

@@AllHailxBuzz25 It's difficult to get a great coach when you constantly leave a team

Skip knows that Shannon is speaking facts because when Gary Payton said the same thing, Skip agreed and kept quiet

@jimmykarlsson2567

2 жыл бұрын

Facts??? Is 1 all-star against multiple all-stars on multiple big three teams a winner to you 😂😂😂 Stop it man 😂😂😂

put jordan on that miami team with wade and bosh and they sweep dallas....and word to the wise Jordan didnt have to leave the bulls to "learn" to be a champion

@cypher787

6 жыл бұрын

no because jordans front office didnt give him such amazing talents as zydrunas ilgauskas mo williams anderson varejo delonte west and the shells of antawn jameson and shaq like lebron had to deal with. they drafted and signed talent which is something the cavs front office is completely incapable of doing they lucked out on lebron and kyrie theyve been trash at drafting anyone else

@ayeballinski320

6 жыл бұрын

jboogbush2010 put jordan pn that cleveland team that beat the warriors and they lose, jordan might've lost against the spurs too

@johnsmithjohn1314

6 жыл бұрын

jboogbush2010 LeBron James went to the league after high school. Jordan couldn't make varsity. LeBron is still relevant in his 15th season. Jordan was washed up by his 15th season. LeBron at 15 years old would destroy a 15 year old Jordan. God made LeBron to play basketball.

@johnsmithjohn1314

6 жыл бұрын

samuel moore Durant jumped on the golden state bandwagon. I respect his shot, it's more accurate than LeBron shot. I never seen a high school player as talented, or be as successful in the league. Jordan NEVER played a team like golden state with Durant.

@johnsmithjohn1314

6 жыл бұрын

samuel moore If that happens curry will have 5 but he isn't better than LeBron. Rings ain't everything.

Jordan played 2 years with Charles Oakley to start his career....Shannon talking like he had Oakley for a decade lol

@deandreray3500

5 жыл бұрын

Joe Isa Oakley was a defensive force to protect young jordan he was a liability on offense he was decent

@rumham7631

5 жыл бұрын

Ok and? Skip saying lebron played with 14 allstars and jordan played with 6 is misleading because jordan played with the same dudes forever. It’s like saying someone missed more free throws when they have 2000 more attempts than the other player; it’s disingenuous and a false equivalency.

Bro bron brought Anderson varejo, z, Larry Hughes, and Eric snow to a finals, half the help bron had early on wasn’t even help lol

@Steven_Martinez

Жыл бұрын

Gets wade and bosh and averages 18 in the finals lol

@noobrou5857

Жыл бұрын

@@Steven_Martinez where was the heat before lebron?? Knocked out in the first round. He went to the finals every season when he joined

@Panacheimg

Жыл бұрын

@@noobrou5857 Wade was a finals MVP with Shaq in Miami

2011 nba final game 4 makes lecramp disqualified for the goat conversation shannon sharpe ...8 pathetic points

@akshay5569

3 жыл бұрын

Then after ,1000games with 15,5,5 stats...

@subzero308

3 жыл бұрын

I been trying to find a video where MJ quit on his team in the finals, where MJ lost a finals, where MJ got swept in the finals, where MJ went to a game 7 in the finals, where MJ gets locked down in the finals, where MJ switched teams just to win a ring... But I can't find anything... Meanwhile u switched MJ with Bron and u can find all that... Smh shannon is wild 😂. Bron should never be put in the GOAT Convo.

@akshay5569

3 жыл бұрын

@@subzero308 MJ never have to carry a team

@stevenash3538

3 жыл бұрын

@@subzero308 What about MJ losing first rounds of the playoffs? Tbh I’d rather lose in the finals than lose in the first round and be considered and embarrassment.

@jaysonsmith7264

3 жыл бұрын

@@akshay5569 u mean when he averaged 40 in a finals

Is this even a question..... LeBron was apart of teams with 1/4 of the Eastern Conference all stars for 8 years while nobody else in the conference had 3 stars. Not 1 team

@thebsexpress4264

6 жыл бұрын

2014/2015 heat basically had the same team that they had on there finals run (minus Lebron). They won 37 games missed the playoffs. Before Lebron comes back to clevland kyrie lead the cavs to a whopping 33 wins. With Lebron these teams aren’t even making playoffs let alone finals..... pippen brought the bulls to 55 wins and the playoffs. Oh and 6 straight for Jordan is bull.... 1995 he was eliminated in 6 games by the magic in eastern conference semis..... oh and let’s not forget his clutch 1 point in the 4th quarter of the elimination game

@smoove2432

6 жыл бұрын

theBSexpress First of all Lebron leaves with no warning so teams dont have a chance to prepare after they tailor made a roster full of spot up shooters just for him. Wade played 52 games while Bosh played 44. They shut them both down with the blood clots and knees. And Lebron himself couldnt even make the playoffs til year 3 in Cleveland so why we expecting Kyrie too 🤔🤔🤔🤔

@kaepler

6 жыл бұрын

theBSexpress yeah but the fact is LeBron is great in today’s game but you cannot argue Jordan being 6-0 in the finals. Well the NBA finals the hype of the crowd clutch moments. Respect Jordan being the Goat and LeBron being the king

When Michael left the bulls, they knew he was leaving and retooled. Added Rodman, Tony K, Steve Kurr. In that time frame. The Cavs had no clue Lebron was leaving. Secondly Dwade is arguably the 3rd best shooting guard ever. Jordan, Kobe then Wade. Pippen at best is 6th. Lebron, Bird, baylor, durant, Erving then Pippen. Lastly Shannon brings up that Pippen was 3rd runner up for mvp without mj.........Wade SHOULDVE WON MVP 2009. The year before Lebron got there. Averaged more points assists and had close rebound numbers while averaging more blocks and steals than lebron, he was also the only guard since Jordan to get over 80 blocks and 150 steals. Resepct Wade

@user-pu3cf9pd2m

6 жыл бұрын

Arguably the 3rd best shooting guard? There's no argument, he is already #3.

@jlphotos09

6 жыл бұрын

The issue is that no one likes to bring up wade was no longer in his prime after that 2011 season. Knee issues really got to him and played a little over half the season. Bosh was turned into a shell of his former baby dinosaur days when he was an easy 20 and 10 a night player.

@bballlife8126

6 жыл бұрын

londonrd yea wade won scoring title that year too. He’s my favorite player after Jordan just because I had a playing style like his and I like how he could take over games and compete in his prime. He still competes just on backside of career now

@bballlife8126

6 жыл бұрын

John Lee yea but even if that’s the case they lost to one of the weakest finals teams lebron faced in their prime together. No excuse for that!

@bballlife8126

6 жыл бұрын

Bitcoin is LIT not in 2011 or 2012. Wade avg 22 a game in playoffs 11 & 12. How is that a shell when pippen avg under 20 points in couple of bulls playoff championship years??

I can’t really have an answer to this. Two different eras with different supporting talents 🤦🏾‍♂️ smh

@vwrxlasvegas

3 жыл бұрын

MJ will always be the GOAT! And yes Skip, best player in the planet! Lebron is just a ring chaser! MJ made his team great and LeBron just went to a team or joined with a great teammates or recruited establish players to bail him out to win championships!!

Legendary debates

Skip's all star argument is a stretched. All star voting doesn't translate to greatness. Say hi to Kaiman, Jameer Nelson, Mo Wiliams to say a few.

@SamM-kh2vd

4 жыл бұрын

But in the case of Wade, bosh, love, Kyrie to say a few does translate to greatness lol

@juanrosas2501

4 жыл бұрын

@@SamM-kh2vd amen🙏

@jameswarudo5141

4 жыл бұрын

Sameer Mehta and Kevin Love

@huh8896

4 жыл бұрын

James Nwachukwu reread his comment fam

@carterbilbro4615

4 жыл бұрын

Sameer Mehta eh they were all on the tail end except Kyrie, who would’ve won b2b ships with Lebron if he didn’t get hurt

Can you imagine MJ with the help of Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosh ? He's never had a situation like that...

@oneshotki11

4 жыл бұрын

Dont forget Ray Allen.

@vomitcomit599

4 жыл бұрын

can you imagine going against kawhi, tony parker, danny green, tim duncan, manu ginobili, and one of the best spurs team to ever exist? how bout the warriors lol

@reign1594

4 жыл бұрын

@Toxic Gaming istg, especially playing against kawhi

@michaelmonte4218

4 жыл бұрын

@Toxic Gaming Oh Hey LeBron James Justice coalition member 😂

@oneshotki11

4 жыл бұрын

@I'm the best at everything I'm never wrong The guy who saved Lebron James and gave him another ring?...

Lebron jumped from team to team with numerous all Stars and future hall of famers

Shannon talking about all these defensive players that Mike had well dang cause they actually played D back then! It’s a offensive game now and the reasons why those players were great cause Mike made them great they knew what Mj expected and he wasn’t gonna settle for nothing less

When MJ left, Scottie loss in the semifinals and the next year was on the verge of missing the playoffs until MJ came back. DWade is a scoring champion and Finals MVP before Bron got to Miami. He beat Dirk without Bron and Bosh but loss in 2011 in 6 because Bron choked. Wade would've won another Finals MVP and be a 4 time NBA Champion

@mikekirkland2487

4 жыл бұрын

Preach brotha preach!

@Supermariohoops24

4 жыл бұрын

People never acknowledge the 2015 Heat were injured too. Bosh and Wade each missed over half the year. Next year, 2016, Bosh was hurt again but Wade was healthy. And they got just as far as those 1994 Bulls are. So that argument about Bulls are just as good without MJ is the same for LeBron and Miami

@Juntao1989

4 жыл бұрын

Supermariohoops24 EXACTLY

@anthonyhooper2270

4 жыл бұрын

You realize he was a call away from going to the finals that was a bogus call on scottie pippen kyrie couldn't take the Cavs far with out bron wade couldn't carry his team when everyone left and he had a team like lebron James he had problems with Dan Gilbert and delonte west and they wouldn't get him help

@Juntao1989

4 жыл бұрын

Anthony Hooper so when did the eastern conference semis become one game away from nba finals? Stop LYING they played knicks in 2nd round... Also, They were only 34-31 THE NEXT YEAR in danger of missing playoffs and MJ CAME BACK out of retirement to help them go 13-4 in the last 17 games of the season. Why don’t you bring that second season without Jordan up??

This dude said The Frozen One. I'm dead 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂😂😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣🤣

@vza7938

4 жыл бұрын

@Toxic Gaming but didnt he freeze? oh I forgot he was dominating the 2011 Finals, with 2 other franchise superstars...didn't get crossed by terry, or outplayed by old man Dirk

@user-ij2tb4mb4r

4 жыл бұрын

@Sub 2 me for no reason Just like how you guys discredit MJ in his early career.

@BijinMCMXC

4 жыл бұрын

Toxic Gaming because MJ NEVER froze and NEVER lost a finals. Doesn’t disqualify Lebron from being the greatest player TODAY but does disqualify him from being better than MJ.

@monke2457

3 жыл бұрын

Etan Best I’m a bron fan and I’m dead 😂

Wrong: BJ Armstrong and Horace Grant along with Scottie Pippen made the 1994 All Star Game. Scottie won the All Star Game MVP award and almost won the league MVP.

Especially when all Lebron's teammates get injured literally every year

@Puchendante

3 жыл бұрын

Had to play 2015 finals almost literally alone

@hershelpogue1745

3 жыл бұрын

Everyone gets hurt no excuses. You act like Michael Jordan wasn't hurt,he was he just wouldn't know by looking at him, Michael Jordan is a man and the leader of his team. Since they know Michael Jordan would play even if he's hurt, they just wouldn't quit on a man like that. It doesn't look good. Now you know another difference between your Lebron and Michael Jordan.

Lebron played with Ben Wallace and Shannon is talking about mj playing with a two time defensive player of the year

@MrMuaythai84

6 жыл бұрын

bronsesxual ignore any facts

I love how they reframe the question ‘who played in the best teams?’ With ‘who was helped the most?’ Like its all about 4 guys helping 1 guy rather than 5 playing together in team... just shows how embarrassing this ‘TEAM’ sport has become with individual egos! 🤦‍♂️

@danh.5998

4 жыл бұрын

Brent Meister General my thought exactly. “Help” is such a derogatory term.

Can we revisit this? Skip and Shannon undisputed😂

Skip you are right on here and Shannon you don't have your facts straight!🤔

Lebron got outplayed and shut down by Shawn Marion and J. J. Barea

@PearlJamGuy10

6 жыл бұрын

MilitaryPcGamer win a 3-peat, win two 3-peats, win two 3-peats with entirely different team rosters other than the only other player to average double figures in the finals, own 42 playoff records, score in double figures in every playoff and finals game appearance, lead the league in more than one category, win all 3 mvp awards in one season (all star, regular season and finals), score in double figures in more than 1,000 consecutive games (LeBron's streak is currently in the 300s), i could go on but there's no way two time bronze medallist LeBron James can ever catch MJ. He's already played in 55 more finals games! If he hasn't caught him by now then he never will

@BOSSBOSS-kh3rz

6 жыл бұрын

MilitaryPcGamer Lebron is not mentally tougher in bigger games. Lebron never played against real 7 footers or dunked on any.. Michael did. Kyrie and the refs, and green being suspended beat the warriors

@BOSSBOSS-kh3rz

6 жыл бұрын

Ronnie Branford 😂😂😂😂😂😂 ALL FACTS

@Wecanrecoveryourhome

6 жыл бұрын

Rich Boss Nick Anderson outplayed Michael Jordan and Made him change his number from 45 to 23

@Wecanrecoveryourhome

6 жыл бұрын

BJ Armstrong , Horace Grant ,Scottie made the Allstar game in 1994

Remember when mo Williams was an all star? The all star title is a little overrated.

@bradenboudreau4020

5 жыл бұрын

Mark Scarlet yeah I know I remember a year when Zaza Pachulia almost got voted in.

@Oppenheimer1967

5 жыл бұрын

Shrek Is A Baller let me guess, that finals mvp wade got was also overrated. Without Lebron wade was a role player right ? Scottie and Horace Grant on the other hand were bench players when they joined the bulls lol

@bballah4lyfe

5 жыл бұрын

Mo William's was a great piece. Catch and shoot on the moneyyy! Above average defender and excellent at moving off the ball for lebron to pile his assists with. that's why lebrons passing to the 3 ball is 7 times more than mjs. Mj got his assists with giving the ball to mid range players and feeding the post off of broken defense. Way more skilled. MJ = Goat

@HakeemOlajuwon-eq9xf

5 жыл бұрын

Mark Scarlet that’s a very good point. I thought it was a dumb argument they were making to begin with on all star appearances. On the flip side, dennis Rodman has 2-all star appearances and is hall of famer. He hardly ever got voted in because fans hated him. So yeah, all-star appearances is a flawed argument.

@bballah4lyfe

5 жыл бұрын

If you think about it, every award is overrated. Every stat is overrated. That's why the eye test is the best way to define a player. Lebron played in the east. Playing in the garbage east helped him lead his team to more wins and allow him to be in the MVP conversation. Lebron would have missed the playoffs 4 times in his career, had he played in the west. And would have had only 3 finals appearances at best

MJ only played with one allstar. Lebron played with about 4💀

@victorcrowell1988

3 жыл бұрын

kevin love was not very good and neither was chris bosh. They were above average. Kyrie is toxic and was a defensive liability. Come on, jordans entire team could play defense and score. Also, I think the coaching staff is the xfactor. Bron had all rookie coaches his entire career, mike had doug collins, dean smith and phil jackson and the best trainers and assistants. Jordans overall teams were much better.

@arsonhakobyan

3 жыл бұрын

To be fair, Lebron played w/ 2 at a time, while Jordan played yes, w/ 1. It is more impressive to keep doing it w/ the same nucleus, as oppose to hopping to greener pastures. Staying w/ 1 team does usually equate to better chemistry, but that's part of the expected reward for loyalty, if you can just keep steadily improving. In yesteryear, a lot of the stars were okay w/ the possibility of winning no rings, so long as they got the delight to just have every chance to one day conquer the greatest competition w/ their own team, as oppose to help a rival. Like if you were Reggie Miller, you wanted to win a ring for you, but you also were intrigued by the challenge of trying to prevent say Patrick Ewing from winning any. It wasn't hate; it was just the fun of the challenge. Now the Patrick Ewing's & Reggie Miller's of the world are joining each other left & right for the easiest road to take out a Jordan, Lebron or Kareem, kind of like Lebron joined the Heatles to take out the Celtics, and Durant joined the Splash Brothers to take out Lebron.

@eobardthawne6921

3 жыл бұрын

I mean toni kukoc was a all star no matter what anyone says, Played like one and had all star aura

@arsonhakobyan

3 жыл бұрын

@@eobardthawne6921 Fringe all-star at best. He was a great 6th man, but if Kukoc counts as an all-star, then Buck Williams & Jerome Kersey should count as all-stars that Drexler played w/ on the early 90s Trail Blazers that had some success, though they never actually made the all-star team w/ Clyde. They were posting borderline all-star level contributions, so your argument is totally flawed. Kukoc was more than just a role player like say Kerr, but he wasn't an all-star, nor should he have been in any of the Jordan yrs.

@jahiem5087

3 жыл бұрын

@@victorcrowell1988 MJ’s team wasn’t full of scorers the 3rd best scorer on the team was kokuc who was barely putting up ten ppg.MJ team was more defenders than scorers.

30 seconds in and Shannon done lost this debate 🙄

I can already hear the “SKIIIUUUUUUUP

Michael made Scottie? Really Skip thats your argument?

@fareedmohammed7556

6 жыл бұрын

The only argument that matters

@UltraxInstinct

6 жыл бұрын

Fareed Mohammed You're just as crazy as Skip. All star appearances dont determine how great you are.

@ChristApologetics1

6 жыл бұрын

He did 🤷🏽‍♂️

@iwitness4107

6 жыл бұрын

But he did though

@BELLCITYPOD

6 жыл бұрын

Are you really arguing that Michael had more help than LeBron😂😂😂

Scottie was All Star game MVP the year Jordan went to play baseball. They also won 55 games that year.

LeBron has played with more all stars, including 5 seasons with two all stars . Wade is a champion without LeBron and both he and bosh combine for 16 all stars without LeBron and finished 3rd in the East. 5 all stars between Kyrie and love without LeBron. Pippen 2 all stars without Jordan Horace 1 Rodman 2 before Jordan. It’s not even close. James handpicked every team he’s been on and who he wants as a number 2 and 3.

@adamsamuel8593

4 жыл бұрын

Clearly Lebron had more help and let his legacy take a hit by only winning 3 rings and some fools in the media are always trying to put him in the same sentence or level as MJ which is so disrespectful when only Kobe and Kareem are on his level.

@ezramarkos4957

Жыл бұрын

@@adamsamuel8593 he has 4 rings first of all second of all you deadass think Kobe is remotely close to them lmao he wasn't the best player on a majority of his finals teams he has horrible efficiency he has 1 MVP he isn't on their level MVPs lebron Ppg lebron Apg lebron Rebounds lebron Efficiency lebron Leadership lebron( you can't even debate this he is one of the greatest leaders of all time he led kyrie who is proving to not be led by anyone but lebron he led his team back down 3-1) Steals Kobe Blocks lebron

@saemor7440

Жыл бұрын

​​@@adamsamuel8593 lebron james other superstar were injured in 2015 kyrie and kevin love and wade and bosh were slowly declining

eastern used to be tougher

The great “the chosen one became the frozen one” that shot Skip to HOF

shannon who fault is that Lebron always ran from those after winning titles so don't blame MJ for that

It cant be used as an excuse that he only was there 4 years when Lebron choose to leave. Jordan never left and did What he could to push teammates together with himself.

Love how sharpe keeps changing the arguement from ots original point of the convo

It’s easy to say someone had help when they went 6 for 6 in the finals 😂

@THEWRYTERS

6 жыл бұрын

R.W. Hendricks who went 6-6 in the finals? Neither Jordan or Lebum went 6-6.. Jordan 6-0 Lebum is like 3-5

@12054life

6 жыл бұрын

THE WRYTERS I think that's what he meant. "6/6" rather than "6-6"

@alextrose7

6 жыл бұрын

R.W. Hendricks and got swept first round before his help arrived. But let's not mention that right? You're a great fan dude, clearly you know the game.

@kevinjjj5575

6 жыл бұрын

yea bro to bad jordan never got passed the first round without phil and scottie

@BeingWokeTV

6 жыл бұрын

What help? Regardless MJ was going to make it out the first round. He only lost 3 times! Pippen was a bench player who played small minutes at that time.....

Skils face and pause when Shannon Jordan 🤣🤣🤣

Hor Grant 😂 😂 😂 Shannon cant pronounce Horace 😂 im dead

For me, I was here when Scottie came to Chicago and I KNOW MJ made Scottie the player he became. Literally, picking him up to work out and mentoring him on games...etc.

@78mutmut

4 жыл бұрын

Cxntsnag and so what ? if in 2012 lebron was at cavs when kyrie got drafted, kyrie would be very very very better now

@richardgraham2659

4 жыл бұрын

Michael didn't make Scottie into the player he became NOBODY can make you into anything. You can say MJ molded him but he didn't make him, if he could MAKE him he could MADE a BUNCH of other people. Scottie had the desire and worth ethic and talent to be great, MJ just guided him and helped him mature and develop faster. But NOBODY MAKES anybody, but they do influence you.

@toveychow3635

4 жыл бұрын

Richard Graham ur day made u into the hard head today

Micheal never left his team to win a chip he grinded it out going through the bad boy pistons, show time Lakers, Boston celtics, New York Knicks, Utah jazz , Seattle supersonics, and the trail blazers . If you didn't play your A game you was getting cooked . And his footwork in the post was beautiful

@gabrielgonzales2794

2 жыл бұрын

He left basketball for baseball. Loyalty where? He left Chicago for the wizards and became a waterboy

@danielpauley9113

2 жыл бұрын

Amen bro

@JDB983

Жыл бұрын

@@gabrielgonzales2794 Yeah his dad got murdered and did baseball to fulfill his dad's dream.And loyalty. Chicago showed no loyalty to nobody and still don't. They betrayed MJ by letting Krause sabotage the team.

@danielprocel3690

Жыл бұрын

@@gabrielgonzales2794someone spitting out facts🔥🔥🔥

@noobrou5857

Жыл бұрын

Put jordan on the cavs, growing up in Cleveland and he will dip faster than Lebron. Lebrons cavs before he left were outright garbage mailmen.

Tell me who you’d rather play with in your career. And before all you Lebron fanboys go off I’m listing best players they’ve played with in their CAREER. Scottie Pippen Dennis Rodman Toni Kukoc Richard Hamilton Steve Kerr Or Dwayne Wade Kyrie Irving Anthony Davis Chris Bosh Ray Allen Kevin Love

@jacobdestern4288

4 жыл бұрын

Bob Jones First off you need to check your source or your head because Kevin love never averaged anything near 8 PPG when he went to Cleveland. He averaged 17.2 PPG and 10 RPG during his tenure with LBJ. Secondly Charles Oakley only ever played ONE season with MJ where he averaged 3 PPG and 6 RPG so thank you for destroying your own point about players not being as good as they used to be. Thirdly Steve Kerr averaged 8 PPG during his time with MJ. Which is 2 PPG less than what Allen averaged with LBJ. So wait if Allen was washed what’s Kerr? Fourth Horace grant was a great player but doesn’t even compare to the likes of Chris Bosh or Anthony Davis. He had identical stats to shaq in 2010 with the Cavs 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Not to mention of all the players YOU mentioned this is combined how many all star appearances they have MJ Teammates 10x All star LBJ Teammates 31x All star Who’d you rather take. A team of Pippen Rodman Kerr Harper Grant Paxston Kukoc OR Anthony Davis Kyrie Irving Kevin Love Dwayne Wade Chris Bosh Ray Allen (10 PPG) You’re an idiot. Next time you try to argue something come with facts and not made up BS. Dismantling your idiotic make belief argument was easy. Not saying Lebron wasn’t great. But to say he had less help is the most idiotic thing I’ve ever heard. Stop watching basketball and please for the love of god. Stop riding Lebron.