Both are pretty hard to believe but when she accused Stabler of SA, that went out the window

@kieraethan

4 ай бұрын

And admitted lying about it on the stand.

@bradydefelice2944

4 ай бұрын

Also, the incident of near suicide

@nightmare674

4 ай бұрын

The episode is well crafted. Yes, she "lied" about Stabler but the way the scene is played made him look bad. She was confused, hurt, didn't personally knew stabler and he accidentally touched her chest. Also, she didn't formally accused him, she only mentioned it to her lawyer. I'm not defending her but the episode really tried to make it clear that nothing was clear at all.

@kizaru6701

2 ай бұрын

​@@nightmare674 she told her lawyer after she saw that Stabbler doesn't believe her, so he would be off the case

@TheeAirrDesign

Ай бұрын

Yep

Her interaction with Stabler in the stairs made her lose credibility. Still the “weirdest” ending on the show

@ericasylne175

4 ай бұрын

How did it end??

@RandomBurner

4 ай бұрын

@@ericasylne175 it ended as the verdict was delivered, was left up to the viewer’s interpretation

@susivarga7303

4 ай бұрын

She could not have been convicted beyond a reasonable doubt.

@tedcomet3121

4 ай бұрын

More like best ending

So, she took all those pills because she knew Benson was coming, accused Stabler of harassment, claimed her grandmother was dead to get out of a DUI, and no doubt a lot more. Yeah, this lady is a psycho.

@DaneOrschlovsky

4 ай бұрын

But but but...#YouToo must believe all women!

@Joe-hf1dk

4 ай бұрын

lame@@DaneOrschlovsky

@RLucas3000

3 ай бұрын

After ALL that, which the DA KNEW, why did she prosecute, when he had a plausible defense? It’s not the greatest defense, but stacked up against all her lies. Why the fake suicide attempt? She knew he got indicted. If he hasn’t been, I could see the attempt maybe. He’s not exactly a saint, but he’s been punished, fired, losing custody of his daughter, for something he probably didn’t do. This lady must have ever heard ‘The Boy Who Cried Wolf’ story when she was young. Or thought it only applied to boys. Some day you might need your credibility.

@kristelngami4816

2 ай бұрын

Not only harassment but sexual harassment

@AlaskanGhost

2 ай бұрын

Probably a pathological liar for starters.

They never showed the jury verdict in this episode, but if I were sitting on that bench, I'd vote not guilty--not because I don't believe he did it, but because the case is so muddy that there's no way to tell what happened.

@boredlawyer3382

4 ай бұрын

Right. This is a case where the beyond-a-reasonable-doubt standard wins it for the defendant. Remember, "probably guilty" is legally not guilty.

@giosy0072

4 ай бұрын

​@@boredlawyer3382Wait: so they didn't show the verdict???

@KomoliRihyoh

4 ай бұрын

@@giosy0072 That was the point: to metaphorically put us, the audience, on the jury. They presented the facts and the surrounding circumstances, but since it ultimately boils down to he-said-she-said, who do you believe and why?

As soon as that woman accused stabler of sa is when her credibility went out the window

This was the episode where we didn't hear a verdict in the ending. This was an episode where the audience voted as well as decided whether the verdict was guilty or not guilty. As I recall, "Not Guilty" got more votes than "Guilty".

@jessp.r.7181

4 ай бұрын

I googled it and it says 60% voted Not Guilty, 20% voted Guilty and 20% voted Mis-trial (not enough information). I would've gone with mis trial tbh

Oh wow, Viola Davis had played a criminal defense attorney before! She's got that same fire!😮

In my opinion, the man was innocent. It was consensual. And his daughter, she was protecting her father and she didn’t wanna go to jail for sending a threatening note to that girl. Up until this day, the verdict is still unknown and I hate it!

@Nachtwanderer864

4 ай бұрын

The end: I could strangle the script supervisor/script editor! 😈😜

@smokeflame3823

Ай бұрын

yeppppppp perfect

To me, looking at this, jury would have to go not guilty. She accused any male she came into contact with and faked a suicide attempt. As the saying goes in the legal world, “if they’re lying about 1 thing, what else are they lying about?”

I remember when i first watched this episode as a kid and that ending just waiting to hear the verdict and level of anticipation. I was so shocked not having a resolution but learned some valuable lessons nonetheless. 😅

@Totallysamsays

4 ай бұрын

I totally agree! Just watch it and am so mad they didn't reveal the verdict.

@emmiii-ir3qe

4 ай бұрын

Same

The thing society forgets with just because man might be stronger dose not mean he can do anything feeling helpless and powerless to someone who controles evrything is not dictated by age,race or gender but by ones physical and mental status at the time of the interactions

@smokeflame3823

Ай бұрын

so very true, a good example was when that male stripper got raped and people didn't believe him

No prior boyfriends or girlfriends brought in as witnesses to testify as to whether she liked it rough or liked to play mind games? That scene where she clearly expects Stabler to kiss her, despite claiming to have just been raped, that tells us everything we need to know about her credibility.

I have known enough mentally unstable women who like it rough to give him a not guilty verdict if I was on the jury. When she accused Stabler it told me she is an attention seeker.

Hey! That girl was in my second favorite movie, "A Knight's Tale," with Heath Ledger. Shannyn Sossamon, she played Jocelyn.

@cerpintaxt362

4 ай бұрын

The dude is from one of my favs, The 4400

@fullautomatic555

4 ай бұрын

It's called a lance, hellooooo

@kevinreilly7924

4 ай бұрын

Kiss kiss bang bang with Robert Downey Jr and Val Kilmer which is in my top 5 all time

@DravenGal

4 ай бұрын

@@fullautomatic555 Alan Tudyk! I can't believe I didn't recognize him when I watched "Serenity" in theater. I wish I hadn't though, because I'd never seen Firefly, and seeing the movie and knowing how everyone ended up pretty much killed the show for me (pun intended). It's a shame because I know and love some of the actors in it! Especially Nathan Fillion! Ah well...

@tmajuru559

4 ай бұрын

Mikal, Wristcutters: A Love Story, one of my absolute faves.

3:22 omg that’s Annalise Kenting!… again…😂❤

It's the biggest cliffhanger episode of Law and Order SVU there is when I first saw the episode it was very confused and little bit frustrated it's a very big ambiguous episode that either people will love it or hate it for me I'm in between.

@YouTubeallowedmynametobestolen

4 ай бұрын

"either people will love it or hate it for me I'm in between" So "people will love it or hate it or be in between about it." Or ... you don't belong to the category of "people"?

This was based on a Canadian Professor back in the 80s. Dude was found guilty, after years fighting it he self-terminated and then the supposed victim came clean.

I still cannot stand the ending to this episode. For those unaware, there were supposedly two endings to this episode, which the audience could vote on, and that ending would be chosen. I have not seen this ending but I want to know what happened because over a decade and a half later I still cannot figure out who is telling the truth! It irks me that this was how they decided to handle this ending!

@in_vino_veritas7938

4 ай бұрын

Same here

@occupationalhealth4779

4 ай бұрын

The vote was not guilty...

@tobex6626

4 ай бұрын

I like to think they both were telling the truth, and it was suppose to be like this so they can get a sick kick out of the whole thing. My head cannon just to have closure lol

@JRJuggernaut1

4 ай бұрын

@@occupationalhealth4779 sounds about right 😬

@JRJuggernaut1

4 ай бұрын

@@tobex6626 honestly that’s a believable explanation!

I legit thought that was Ryan Reynolds for some reason

@pinotbologna

4 ай бұрын

I thought it was Luke Perry for a split second 😢

@PantherU

3 ай бұрын

No that's Shannyn Sossamon

I remember watching this episode and kept jumping back and forth of who i thought was telling the truth.

This would be a difficult case. I’m not sure there was enough evidence to convict beyond reasonable doubt. I’m sure he was a jerk but I’m not sure he committed a crime.

I got a little excited when the Wall appeared to grill that girl about Stabler ❤

@bradydefelice2944

4 ай бұрын

We don’t know for sure if she’s a victim. But we do know that Stabler deserved to be defended.

I found both suspects untrustworthy but once she made those claims against stabler AND took those pills when Benson was coming to her, she lost all credibility to me

When this episode originally showed, SVU had a website where fans could vote whether the guy was guilty or not guilty. I don't remember what the final result was

@martakavaliauskaite4566

4 ай бұрын

In comments it was said not guilty that case was such mess that nobody cnow who was telling the truth

The way Benson read the computer screen 😂😂😂😂

She lost credibility when she tried it on with stabler !

@user-ll6zn3xv9v

2 ай бұрын

Yup

Viola Davis 😊

I like how this episode gives you the full jury duty experience choosing which side is guilty based on a situation entirely focused on He said She Said. I’m honestly with the majority where I think the father is innocent, his accusations of manipulating credibility in his favor weren’t as extreme as Myra’s and the thing is The father had a lot less to loose than Myra did, why try to tank his life along with stablers? Which was the real nail on the coffin in my opinion she only gave up on prosecuting stabler cause he wasn’t nearly as vulnerable as Ron was.

I remember this episode and I remember thinking I didn't believe her. I like how they ended it and left it up to the individual viewers to decide

Can't believe this show was my fave as a child...no regrets 😅

OMG Annalise Keating back in the day!

Did the SVU Precinct know who they were messing with when *Annalise Keating* showed up???

What a coincidence! I JUST watched this episode!

@theautomator8372

4 ай бұрын

Same. I watched it yesterday along with Contagious, Parasite, and Identity.

@Totallysamsays

4 ай бұрын

So did I, am so mad that they didn't reveal the verdict.

@laarnimahilum1905

13 күн бұрын

What's the ep???

That was an unsent email 🤣🤣🤣

It obvious that she is lying she wanted revenge and she got it he lost everything his job his daughter and no one will be hiring him any more And i find this story very familiar this days just like Johnny and Amber's case he lost alot because of her think god he won the case in the end

I may be jumping to judgement here, but it seems she gives herself away with the ploy that starts at 2:48.

I remember this one and it got me thinking... "what if both of them are guilty or both of them are innocent?"

I get what they were going for, but this episode seriously pissed me off.

Anyone kno the season number and episode number?

They never formally showed us what the verdict was in this episode did they?

@Renegade2786

4 ай бұрын

They did a poll for the viewers after this episode aired to give their verdict on the case. Nearly all of them voted *Not Guilty* yet these are the same group that were outrage on the outcome of SVU latest episode.

@ExplorerDS6789

4 ай бұрын

Left it up to the viewers to decide by way of online poll. Guess the producers overlooked one little problem: reruns.

@StarFighters76

4 ай бұрын

@@Renegade2786 Outrage why? Not everything is as black and white as people want us to believe. There will always be shades of gray somewhere tucked in there.

@RLucas3000

4 ай бұрын

@@Renegade2786Here is the thing, to convict in criminal court, it needs to be beyond a reasonable doubt, so far we have a woman who claimed Stabler sexually assaulted her, when we know he didn’t. She claimed her grandmother died just to try to avoid charges on a traffic accident. She staged a suicide attempt once she knew her ‘attacker’ was charged by the grand jury and when she knew someone would be coming to rescue her. No way am I convicting anyone with all that reasonable doubt. It’s not even close to the recent episode. I you could convict with all that evidence against her ability to tell the truth, then you must have a pretty low IQ.

@mercymaddox

4 ай бұрын

The fact they didnt actually made the message of this episode much more impactful. I didnt understand such perspectives and challenging tasks of the jury and belief until i saw this episode as a kid. I always expected clear cut answers.. especially from tv and when i didnt get it..i really thought hard

Oh my Viola Davis was in this one?

What season and ep is this

I remember watching this episode as a kid and hate they didnt give us a ending?

Can anyone tell me what it meant by them ending the episode without revealing the verdict. Am so mad I watched this entire episode just now and no verdict was said.

@martakavaliauskaite4566

4 ай бұрын

That case was so muddy that even jury didn't cnow who was telling the truth in comments was said that series website they had poll to cnow how people would have voted and vote was not guilty

@simply_nebulous

4 ай бұрын

That's the point. We, the audience, are supposed to stand in as the jury and cast judgement.

What is the name of this episode.

@Totallysamsays

4 ай бұрын

Season 6, Episode 8 Doubt

3:23 Viola Davis!!! ❤❤❤

It's honestly a surprise the jury came to a verdict at all, given how muddles this case was. Anyone remember the real story this was most likely based on?

I believe him!

Which episode/season is this?

@LADYBUGS_MOVIE_REVIEWS

3 ай бұрын

Season 6 episode 8 Doubts

I honestly thought that was Vanessa Hudgens then.

_"We find the defendant..."_

the ending was in a cliffhanger,

I think this case was to show even with her history she still could’ve been telling the truth. He knew no one would believe her. Perfect victim

SVU needs a better prop tech/manager. The vile email shown on the computer (and later printed up) is one waiting to be sent. It was created on that computer. You can see the "Send" button on the top left. It wasn't a received email.

@kagenohikari8

4 ай бұрын

Not just SVU but L&O during its early foray at having computers. There was a scene where det curtis was chatting with a suspect.... IN A NOTEPAD. The internet was truly a novel thing back in the day.

@jbuck9821

4 ай бұрын

@@kagenohikari8 A notepad? LOL. Nice! I did not see that episode. NBC execs, "No one will notice. I'm sure of it."

I dont believe the habitual liar

There is Annelise from How to get away with murder.

Couldn't they bring Stabler forward to testify on what happened when he brought her home? Ask Benson on finding her in the bathtub, coincidentally while knowing she was coming over to tell her about the indictment? Have previous relationships of the woman coming forth and telling their experiences with her?

Ugh I hate uncertain ending like this! I know in real like stuff is uncertain all the time and very few things are black and white but I don't want my entertainment to do this to me too! Give me a clean cut bad guy!

That ending made me irrationally angry.

I did not hit her, I did NOT hit her! Oh hi Mark xP

@BigBlakMan-hr9mb

4 ай бұрын

lol I got this after reading twice

Confusing case

Oh man i just watched this episode and the ending killed me 🙄 lol From all the evidence, as sketchy as he seemed, she was also hard to believe and i can't see how he could of been convicted

Viola Davis!

Don’t believe him, he beat J-Lo! lol

Is this based on a true story?

I'm still asking myself who the hell was telling the truth

@melissaharris3389

4 ай бұрын

I always thought they both were.

@nekogamer2508

4 ай бұрын

The man

I never once questioned the guy. Believed him all the way 'til the end. The woman 100% lied about being SA'd by him, about being SA'd by Stabler and just to play the victim some more, she overdosed because she knew she would be found in time anyway. She was an attention wh0re through and through.

RIP Paul D'Amato

Who play Ron Palicaugh

Some women will watch this episode and still side with her lol

That's ole girl from 40 Days and 40 Nights......nah don't save her, she don't wanna be saved.

Another case of a woman unfairly using the damsel in distress angle..

@aa-nx6et

4 ай бұрын

this is fictional hope this helps x

@StarFighters76

4 ай бұрын

@@aa-nx6et It happens in real life as well.

I love Olivia questions and puts Sophia on the spot if she did answer that email with that horrible message but it wasn’t her I can’t believe it. I got that message from someone I wouldn’t do just safe someone that I care about

@melissaharris3389

4 ай бұрын

It's the kind of stupid thing a teenager might do.

This Episode Was A joke I mean the Literally They Pull the A Sopranos And Cut to Black

*Whom

Didn’t it turn out the girl was crazy and that she had made him do all those things

LOOK AT ANNALIESE

is ron f guilty? i couldnt sleep 💀💀 no endingggggggggg

The only person who I want to be in the head of the tv show is mariska hargitay and my favorite idol Ryan buggle ❤❤

The white guy y’all is the dude from the movie enough with Jennifer Lopez which is my favorite movie Mitch I know that’s you 😏

Professor was innocent.

Not guilty.

Belive men

This just screams HPD or BPD.

Sorry for the insistence on that "Omori" comment, but since this is a series about lawsuit, I bet the best answers to my question will be found here. So I repeat for those who know "Omori". Sunny and Basil are minors, I get that. But they are also mentally unstable, and faking Mari's suicide could be seen as a level of organization and planning similar to sociopathy (I know it's not the best example of a disorder, but I'm not 100% versed in the organization level of damaged minds) Plus, is something like mandatory counseling and house arrest an option ? Realistic ? Does it have to be juvenil or institutionalization only ? Can a lawyer use the "neglectful parents" bit as an argument ? Maybe even Aubrey's bullying (I can see her owning up to it in an attempt at making up) to justify the time they took to reveal the truth and the idea in the first place ?

🤔

She was a liar Stabler tho he’s never touch je that’s when I knew

I say not guilty

I believe he was innocent. And I believe she should get jail time.

I dont trust Ron

This is one of the few episodes I skip on reruns. Its sooooo irritating.

I remember this episode. I think she was traumatized and bipolar and basically had a breakdown. And then she went after Stabler (when nothing happened). But the truth is the man is a manipulative narcissist

Who do I believe? Not the woman pining for attention, that's for sure. 4:12 is all the proof you need on that.

Believe all women, right?

fmom

'Promo SM' 💥

Everybody’s got a problem here! Boo hoo hoo, woo hoo hoo!

Was nice back when law n order was all about the case n not about Bensons gay son or her feelings about everything....

@aleksandralis9134

4 ай бұрын

If he turned out to be gay, it would be terribly predictable 😂

@Yumi_Jay

4 ай бұрын

Isn't Fin's son gay?

@johnathandouglas007

4 ай бұрын

@@Yumi_Jay of course... They'll all be gay soon....