The Seneschal is not the creator of the world. Seneschal is a servant of a greater power, the word literally means stewart of a noble house. His duty is to oversee that the cycle is sustained, he did not originated the world nor architected the cycle. If you defeat him, you are directly APPOINTED Seneschal and his duties are now in your care. Only the arisen have the will to change, not the Senechal, wich is only to perpetuate the order of things. This is all explained in his dialogue 'What is the Seneschal?', 'What is eternity?' and 'What is will?'

@lordoflore9761

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I never said he created the world, just it’s inhabitants. It’ll be interesting to see in future content if the Seneschal line is really dead though!

@kahaneck

2 жыл бұрын

@@lordoflore9761 In that case im sorry, I misunderstood that point.

@lordoflore9761

2 жыл бұрын

No need to apologize, I’m just glad you love the lore :)

Here's my theory: After abandoning the role of Seneschal, the world blunders around lost and faithless. A group of priests, seeking the Maker, enter the Rift. They discover the Maker exists in a realm called the Fade. He gets pissed, curses the priests, creates the Blight, and we get Dragon Age.

You getting into Dragon's Dogma lore now makes me even more glad I subbed. Dragon's Dogma is one of my favorite games of all time. Keep up the amazing work. 🙂

@lordoflore9761

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you liked it! Thought I’d branch out a bit from time to time, and I enjoyed Dragon’s Dogma too!

@gaminglazarus4343

2 жыл бұрын

@@lordoflore9761 good videos dragon dogma and kingdoms of amalur on youtube. i start new game next time on dragon dogma (playstation 4) and kingdoms of amalur (xbox one) . i wait for kingdoms of amalour- fateworn dlc (xbox one)

I dont think that old gods refers to some kind of elemental lords of the plane, and why i tell you: Dark Arisen brought us to the truth that there's either multiple multiverse cycles or something above senechal and cycles watching cycles to be uphold for some purpose. Olden arisen rejected the cycle without ending it becoming both the dragon and the senechal in the same time creating his own interdimensional pocket plane akin his ruined homeland but filled with corrupted beings. Even the stuff Daimon blabbering about in phase 2 hint at something more incredible awating for you in the presumable true "afterlife" or true rift (not that guest space appendage you interact with pawns in).

@lordoflore9761

2 жыл бұрын

Cool idea!

I have never played any dragon dogma games. After I play through the Yakuza series, I may have to dive into this world. I didn't realize the lore was actually so deep.

@lordoflore9761

2 жыл бұрын

The lore may not be as deep or complicated as Elder Scrolls or Amalur, it has a very vague yet unique world building that requires a lot of attention to detail. Plus the combat can be pretty cool once you get the hang of it Thanks for watching!

@perboscious

2 жыл бұрын

If you get into Dragon's Dogma for the lore, understand that it's spread out pretty weird. You can dump a thousand hours into the game and if you do it without looking for lore you won't find it. Talk to NPCs, pay attention to pawn chatter, look at item descriptions, look at the environment, and play through at least twice. It's definitely worth it. Dragon's Dogma is easily my favorite game.

Those cursed "Watching one(s)" shackled us to this damnable cycle. Try as we might to escape it 'tis seemingly for naught.

@korgclips868

3 ай бұрын

@LefeinNoel I think you’re right, they might also be hinting at the players themselves because in a way the longer we watch and act within their lives then the cycle will never truly end; in a twisted way for them but to us Watching Ones we will always long for entertainment/strife/Chaos to bring order to. When all is done & “saved” the Watching One travel to another space and/or time to Begin The Cycle Anew.

@DemiDeus314

3 ай бұрын

​@LefeinNoel japanese version more so says the watching one has the world in a single repeating loop. Instead of adding to the chain of loops. Every time the dragon comes its supposed to be a different dragon. DD1 shows we become the dragon if we fail to kill the seneschal and take over. In DD2 it's the same dragon over and over again. He's tired and wants to break that repeating loop. Dying and adding to the chain? That's fine. Dying over and over again and never fulfilling your duty is hell for the dragon. We never fought the seneschal because there is none right now. The watcher is an outsider that took over. To him the world is a play. We the actors. That's why the colossus was summoned by the watcher. The actors like lord phaesus, the dragon (and eventually us) were not "playing our part". The unmoored world is him letting go of the duty of seneschal and letting the world end. Hopefully the dlc let us ascend as seneschal. The willpower of the seneschal is what maintains the world. But the seneschal used to be a normal person so that will dies off. So a dragon must come, forge the arisen and a new seneschal must take over. Ol English and translations are iffy but with both we can see a much better picture

I’m so fucking happy someone is actually making lore videos on one of my favorite games of all time‼️💯

Alright, well thought-out and put together! I am happy beyond words that anyone else is trying to bring greater understanding and relevance to this game and all that it holds. That said, as far as the old gods go there isn't much to suggest they were really gods. If you look over the map the four elemental areas (Earth - Catacombs, Water - Watergod's Altar, Air - Bluemoon Tower, Fire - Flameservant's Throne in the Everfall) are all around some of the very few places in nature where wakestone shards spawn. Given what it takes to use wakestones, it's likely these were carried by Arisen who died. Arisen who died in sacred areas dedicated to worshipping gods. The insinuation being that the old elemental gods were Arisen abusing their power and authority. Naturally this eventually ended when someone killed their dragon and thus killed them as well. Just one theory and a favorite of mine. The bigger question is how far back one would have to go to find them truly still relevant, and at what point they overtook the deity known as The All-Mother. Or heck, if there was an unknown religion that overtook The All-Mother before the elemental gods overtook it. As for the world and its cycles, it depends. We know all things are bound to a cycle of eternal return. This is tied into some real-life beliefs that all are born, then die, and are then reborn. This works exceedingly well with the concept of New Game+ in Dragon's Dogma. Everyone is just reincarnated. Me and a few others love to tear into this stuff, so I'll be keeping an eye out. Again, this is awesome. Dragon's Dogma needs way more love and oh my GOD is there so much lore to discover!

@lordoflore9761

2 жыл бұрын

Wow, thanks! Glad to know I got some support :) Now, while your Arisen theory could very well be true, the DD art book clearly states that ogres were cursed to their forms by the old gods. While this would be cool to see past Arisens rising to godlike power, they would definitely need to be more powerful than the typical “extra strong fighter/rogue/mage.” (That would be interesting lore to explore) But hey, I may be a lore expert on Kingdoms of Amalur, but I’m still new to the deep lore of DD. Any advice on where I can learn more of this All-Mother and other stuff?

@ThePawnedPawn

2 жыл бұрын

@@lordoflore9761 Regarding anything else, it's like finding lore in Dark Souls. Flavor text, quest descriptions, anything and everything out of the way. And a healthy dose of reading between the lines sometimes. Just...avoid the wiki. They're great for flavor text and quotes but their lore theories are atrocious. Judging by this video though, I think you'll do fine.

@ThePawnedPawn

2 жыл бұрын

@@lordoflore9761 We discussed the giants thing on our Discord. Basic idea would be, and I'm quoting myself here, "Maybe. It's also something within the Seneschal's power to do too. Or a particularly spiteful Arisen taking a second Dragon's bargain..." "Yes, kill my new beloved. Now, these giants refuse to pay me proper tribute of Earth so I wish they be cowed and disgraced for their offenses." Savan's story novel tells us explicitly that Arisen can take multiple bargains. Godking Leonart took two and was set to take a third (Savan's), and Duke Edmun was trying to get us out of the way to claim a second himself.

@lordoflore9761

2 жыл бұрын

Wow, cool!

@ThePawnedPawn

2 жыл бұрын

@@lordoflore9761 Realized my All-Mother post got removed... Basically all we know comes from exactly one item dropped by corrupted pawns on Bitterblack Island. "A sculpture depicting the god of an ancient myth." The end. That's the whole story. I've spent more time than I'm proud of puzzling over it and I've definitely found more questions than answers. But it's there. It existed. It could have been an ancient variation of The Faith, or a religion that directly worshipped the higher power behind the Seneschal, or it might be something unique to ancient pawns who maybe held some reverence for the Rift. It's a mystery.

I want a game set in the old Gods time alongside a game which upgrades the original tie up all the loose ends and fully represent the story and expand the map.

@ananousous

2 жыл бұрын

I want a game. :(

@stewgems4256

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe DDO had the story of the old gods.

@s1eepymommaaa

Жыл бұрын

@@stewgems4256 DDO seems to have had a VERY different lore than DDDA so not sure if the old gods were in it or not

OMG, i had never thought about this whole world of Dragon’s Dogma that way. Great video and perspective.

@lordoflore9761

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! It is interesting to think of the world as multiple cycles on top of itself, isn’t it?

@lpaforever7438

2 жыл бұрын

Yehh 🥰

Awsome you are covering my two favorite games of all time 😃 and I just beat dogma on new game plus yesterday.

@lordoflore9761

2 жыл бұрын

I know! They’re both very unique RPGs. Thanks for watching :)

@kani4561

Жыл бұрын

Bruh I just beat the game twice in like four hours speed running and I've beat it like nine times now

@kani4561

Жыл бұрын

Of course with fairystones

You’ve got something here with this channel! Keep it up

@lordoflore9761

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you :)

Great vedio 😎 I like to think that when the people turned to faith and abandon the old gods the old gods simply vanish or maybe they hide somewhere in the rift. Loved the vedio maybe there was no schentinal in the beginning just old gods till a dragon took someone heat and they became arisen and eventually the schentinal.

@lordoflore9761

2 жыл бұрын

Very interesting theory!

Such an underrated channel, I hope you continue making content (:

@lordoflore9761

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much! Sorry for my recent lack of uploads, but now that finals are finally over, I’ll be back soon with regular uploads :)

Alright. And you do dragons dogma. 2 for 2 so far out of my top 5 favorite games lmfao. Somebody needs to cover these criminally underrated games and their lore. You are a true hero sir

@lordoflore9761

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! These games definitely need more love!

You gotta keep in mind, a lot of this games lore is inspired by berserk’s. Like the dragons bargain is just the eclipse sacrifice.

the term Seneschal is from the dark ages and is essentially a butler that looks after a lord's land while he is away, serving as proxy to manage that domain. this term being used implies that the gods left and the world left behind demands that someone take on the role of godhood to maintain it but as they started out as mortal their power is not endless, even if a Seneschal is said to be immortal they still demand a replacement as they inevitably grow weary as the sole pillar than holds up the world. a human will has no true comprehension of eternity so it makes sense that like anything mortal their will would fade with time, no matter how long that may be. the attempt to make the world harsher to temper the will of a successor is merely a hope, an ultimately pointless idea to make the world last longer next time or at least not require a replacement even sooner. one Senechal being clueless about the origins of the system that had carried countless cycles before him proves nothing to imply that such a system was always there with nothing before it. if we take the Senechal's word for it, the world longs for the will to live so it does, under the current system require the will of a proven mortal to ascend to godhood to maintain it. in the everfall pawns refer to it as a nexus linking all world and saying that the world you knew and fought through is but a single leaf on a vast tree so just 1 of countless worlds. this seams to be what they're going with for 2 since they said it's a different world this time but it's loosely connected, in that it still follows the same core rules. they also said that a lot of what will be new in 2 are just concepts they wanted to implement in the original game but couldn't do to time and budget restrictions.

Nicely summarized 👍🏾

Very cool video, and a lot to expand upon here now with the true ending of dd2

I heard that the game itself is only 40% of what was planned. If that's true then why did'nt Capcom release an update for the game so that we could enjoy the game in it's entirety? I already enjoy playing Dragon's Dogma but what if? Right?

@lordoflore9761

2 жыл бұрын

It is both cool and sad to think about all the missed content, especially the elves, dwarves, and other races. Hopefully DD2 (whenever that is) will explore more of the game’s world.

@ananousous

2 жыл бұрын

Because they're Capcom

@remix763

2 жыл бұрын

@@lordoflore9761 well now DD2 is confirmed

@ThatTaffer

3 ай бұрын

Confirmed trash. ​@@remix763

Great video

Love hearing about DD

@lordoflore9761

2 жыл бұрын

It’s a great game with under appreciated lore!

the Brin actually deffeat you even if you become Cinetal when you go to the water after you sit on the throne.

@lordoflore9761

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, but I think that’s more of a game mechanic than anything else.

@franzvolkiersirran1119

2 жыл бұрын

@@lordoflore9761 nope the Brin might be the true god because some times your pawns say the line "pepole say that all life started at the sea" so if all life started at sea and the Brin still stronger than you even after becoming Cinetal that means that the real God of the world is actually the Brin and he wash you back to the shore to prevent you from leaving becouse as a god he have plans for you and don't want you to leave all so there is the water temple that might actually existed as a place of worship to the brin and not to some elemental God.

@lordoflore9761

2 жыл бұрын

Bit of a stretch, but there’s nothing to disprove it I guess :)

@ThePawnedPawn

2 жыл бұрын

Game mechanic or not, the Brine exists in-universe. We released a video on it a few weeks back. It's a fascinating topic, though I certainly wouldn't call it a god...

@DeusGamez

3 ай бұрын

we found out in DD2 the brine can't actually harm a chosen one (arisen) and it too is subject to the rules that govern the world so unfortunately becoming the world's keep is a permanent thing that can only be undone by another chosen one choosing to accept the role as the world's keeper. but really confusing though is that dragons themselves can also be considered former Arisen.. so we come to the question of which came first? and by who or what's will did they first conceive of if any feel like this is an answer we just wont get unless it included in a dlc story or another game to follow up after this one. but my theory is that this all started with one person's fairytale which preludes to a single person ascending to the status of a Godlike being and then perpetuating this fairytale/fiction into reality and that with each telling of events the cycle changes but its always repeated and thru countless worlds at that which i believe is due to the fact that a world essentially ends when there is no order to maintain it.

Sweet dogma content

@lordoflore9761

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! God bless!

@SpoogieDerpington

2 жыл бұрын

@@lordoflore9761 god bless YOU for keeping the game alive

the old gods being replaced by one god is a berserk reference. that's largely the explanation for it. like many other things in Dragon's Dogma.

DD's cycle is very similar to a game series called Legacy Of Kain. Which makes me wonder if there is a god above the seneschal who is manipulating the cycle for its own gain

@abdieljove2011

3 ай бұрын

Of course there is something above the Seneschal. The very term Seneschal is a term from the Middle Ages that means the chief servant a lord would leave in charge of their household while away. The Seneschal isn’t God. They’re a steward, a mortal elevated to godhood to keep the world running while the lord, or in this case whatever deity created them, is away. Where and why the god or gods disappeared, no idea. But the cycle existed because humans, by default, were like Pawns. No will of their own. The Seneschal provided them will from his or her own will. But as a mortal, their power isn’t infinite. Once running out, they need a replacement. Hence the dragon creates strife to rise up an Arisen to take over as the next Seneschal.

@大銀河帝国の皇帝

3 ай бұрын

Play Dragon’s Dogma 2. You will get your answers

@cricker1998

3 ай бұрын

@@大銀河帝国の皇帝 finished it last night. True ending

It would be awesome if we got more content but I highly doubt it, fingers crossed. Now as far as speculations are concerned, I believe Dragon's Dogma is nothing but TV/Netflix. Meaning I believe there are worlds similar who bare different results. That's why the Senechal( probably misspelled) doesn't know how far the cycle goes. Also if you take into account death from BitterBlack Isle as well as Daemon, both being Arisens who have been stuck in BBI for millenniums it's safe to say that someone/a society built those walls. Either by magic or physical labor. Either way, if you look at the walls some have destroyed images or statues which you can't tell who or what they were. In both colosseums they have a place where a King/Duke or gods watched the events unfold. What if they are still there? When we as the MC/protagonist/ player wins n become senechal we become invisible to all but can grab people. What if these gods are watching their "Lab Rats" go through a maze in order to get nothing more than a thrill/TV entertainment. There hence what the player to believe is free will when picking a love interest. What if the whole thing is just a betting channel design for petty wagers on pawns call "Arisens" pun was intended. That's how Olga could get manipulated by the spirit of another arisen?

@btnhstillfire

2 жыл бұрын

We are getting a true sequel. Its already in development but they arent saying much else.

Their have to be powers greater than the seneschal. Seneschal means "good servant" and who forged the godsbane? who tore the rift? and the giants got cursed! edit: you just mentioned the giants, gj. Also look into arthacos and the story of death.

What I believe is the this game needs a sequel and not a mmo one

@remix763

2 жыл бұрын

the sequel is confirmed now

I would like to know more about the Brine.

@lordoflore9761

9 ай бұрын

Then go jump in the water Haha, jokes aside, I could never find much info about them outside the game mechanics. Some people argue that the Brine is something even more powerful than the Seneschal since you can still be “taken out” by it in Seneschal form, but the Seneschal’s claim to having created all known physical life seems to contradict this. Not saying there isn’t something beyond the Seneschal, but the Brine seems too connected to the dragon and his monsters for me to believe it has cosmological power beyond the Seneschal

To me the entire world of Dragons Dogma comes off as a very clumsy and poor attempt by some wannabe god. Like some lesser deity went independent country in the rift, built his little nation and because it was so poorly put together it’s so unstable and chaotic. The lesser deity then went, “Man this is too much work, I didn’t sign up for this!” Takes everything and just dumps it into some poor mortals lap and says, “Here! It’s your problem now! F**k this s*hit I’m out! Peace!” Then fades away after giving the peace sign. Lol