I might switch back to a biscuit because less moving parts and no cable

The grin on the first arrow with the drop away when it was 326 was fantastic.

People that say the whisker biscuit is useless or a awful rest most times haven't used one or just like blaming their tools for their own problems because out to 100 yards the rest does what it supposed to do itsthe archer that's the problem biscuit is still a great hunting rest and carry one as a backup

@travistwwreck1535

2 жыл бұрын

100 yards what BS . 50 yards when new, after 100 arrows they turn to shit. Anyone who uses them ,only like them as they are cheap .

@fishsticks7257

6 ай бұрын

​@@travistwwreck1535lol

Dudley, you (MFJJ), Dan and Chris bee are the reason I’m obsessed with archery

@simonpotvin1022

2 жыл бұрын

Same! Haha

@s10v8dude

2 жыл бұрын

Same, I don't really watch Dudley much, but Dan and MFJJ really got my obsession started. I then found Chris Bee and really enjoyed his videos as well. I'm an avid listener of Elk Shape podcast and wish Chris and MFJJ had one as well.

@bricedudley4612

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks lol

@carlosmartinez-vl7tn

2 жыл бұрын

Yesssss good explain

For hunting I think WB is king. Nothing mechanical can go wrong while on a hunt unlike a drop-away. I currently have a Hoyt and a Mathews, Hoyt had WB and Mathews has the integrate drop away. I’ve shot both for years, accuracy is the same and I’ve seen multiple tests showing only 1-2fps difference. At this point I think it’s more of an ego thing. Drop aways are the new tech/trend and people just want to flex them. If I had only one style rest to shoot rest of my life or to take on a LONG hunting trip it would be a WB all day. Does the same job and arguably just as efficient for a fraction of the price and is more durable. I still have a WB from 2014 that still shoots like it did new

I’ve used Whisker Biscuit rests on 3 Mathews and 2 Bowtech bows over past 10 years. Tight groups 20-70 yards consistently. This test showed 226,227,227 FPS so WB more consistent than drop away rest with 5 FPS variance. Something to think about. PSE and Maxima arrows work perfect with my WB rests.

Exactly!!! Great Job MFJJ. Always watching some of your videos while having some coffee and then head off to my own shop! Great job!

Years ago, we ran the same test. Difference was 1fps based on average. Biscuits are a great rest given solid shooting form. Shot 297 Vegas with one once. At distance, I’ve found drop away slightly and I mean slightly more forgiving. That’s at 60 yards and beyond. Back in the 2000’s my group harvested 7 Booners all shooting Biscuits, so there’s that too. Definitely a set it and forget it rest! A lot of hate for Biscuits out there, and unwarranted for certain.

@brpnw4r94

2 жыл бұрын

Steve...I've mentored some beginning archers and you're correct....solid form is a must when shooting this rest, especially at distance. Their marketing plan has been brilliant as it seems every bow on the rack has one attached.

@michaelyork7844

11 ай бұрын

No biscuit hate from me i got two cheapos and just splurged on a TR VCON at sportsman warehouse

My Friend JJ! Thanks brother for doing this test! I never gave this much thought 💭 as you being the complete bow mechanic as your vids have demonstrated. I never doubted you! But, as you said, “going forward” it would prolly be best to keep all of the fan boys at bay, maybe try the limb driven rest for complete consistency! I just want the facts compared to the bow companies hype they put out there, and your vids hold them all accountable! Thanks for that MFJJ!

Now this is a video I’ve been waiting for

You have a cadence about you MFJJ that I just can’t put my finger on, and I like it. I tell my hunting circle about your videos often and share your insights. I just purchased an bow vice and in the process of ordering a bow press. Your videos have boosted my confidence in this venture. Thank You.

The cord on the fall away rest has mass and aerodynamic drag, which mostly offsets any gains realized by removing the frictional losses from the biscuit. The upside is your arrow is held in place noise-free, ready to shoot while you're stalking.

awesome video. thank you for clearing the air on this debate.

Good video👍. I have been curious myself. Thanks.

Shot a biscuit for years now, love it. No moving parts to worry about, no clearance issues to work out, nothing attached to the cable. The only real draw back i see is the fact that your arrow is in contact with the bow a little longer making form that much more important, but I've killed many animals with no issue.

Nice ...liked this comparison 👍🏼

Thanks for clarifying my question!

Back to a whisker biscuit. Been through the break downs and headaches of drop aways. Good ones too. Important to remember: There are 3 or 4 sizes of whisker biscuit. There should be around .03 inches above the arrow for space when knocked, from arrow shaft to top of biscuit when the arrow is resting on the bottom. Don't expect your best precision if you are shooting a 6mm arrow and a large Biscuit. The gap will be huge. 6 mm should use a small.

Always wondered but never tested good video solid information. I’ve always heard about 5 FPS different

Great video. I personally prefer the fall away rests vs a biscuit, but the performance is negligible and won’t take away from overall bow performance. 🤘🏻

I have had these same results. What I do find interesting is how the standard deviation and extremely spread was smaller with the WB. The drop away had a greater SD and ES.

@hotrodglock

2 жыл бұрын

Yea, that’s a little concerning. Whisker biscuits suck in the PNW for wet late season hunts

Great content as always.

Thanks for testing this

Hopefully we will see some comparison videos between the 80lb bows soon. Keep up the good work brother!

Thanks for the info.. hoping to try to update and keep my bow running.

I honestly think both work fine, I just want something that is consistent all the time. For me personally the biscuit has not failed me, but I prefer the limb driven fall away.

Not worried about speed just the pain in adjusting the wisker to shoot bullet holes. Bought my power press n some other stuff off u guys 👍

As a whitetail hunter I prefer a whisker biscuit.... because if the weather is cold enough a fall away can lock up.... the tech at my local bow shop told me that this has happened to multiple people he knows. A whisker biscuit is fail-proof and a more reliable rest. Also being up close and personal with white tails a whisker biscuit makes zero noise both on the draw or release. One more key is that its very difficult for your arrow to fall out of it once inside Just make sure you store your bow inside of your house because humidity can negatively affect a whisker biscuit

@christianherrington1456

10 ай бұрын

What if the dew gets on the bristles and freezes🤷🏼‍♂️

Great video and information

A brand new biscuit will have a higher impact on drag, so if that's what you used you may want to try a well used biscuit that has channels in the bristles for the vanes to pass through with less drag. May make a slight improvement, but thanks for the video, your results were close enough for me to consider. Great job.

Limb dampeners, string silencers, peeps etc all affect arrow velocity about the same. One or two fps for each item added. That's probably why your speed results are so far away from the manufacturer. Whisker biscuit, limb dampeners, string silencers and peeps add up to about four to six fps, maybe even 8 fps total, depending on the bow. You're frequently 8 to 10 fps lower than the bow manufacturer rating so it makes sense. Good assessment by the way. Whisker biscuit or hostage rests are the only ones I use as they don't have moving parts so can't fail.

MFJJ you should take a look at the Black Eagle In Cam Timing System and let us all know what you think of it. Keep up the awesome work and love seeing what you do!

I've done this exact same test so many times it ain't funny and there is so little difference in the 2 rest... I install more whisker biscuit rest in my shop than any other rest combined... it's just a good solid hunting rest... Love your channel keep up the great content

I’ll solidly say that the Whisker Biscuit was more consistent. I personally thought the difference would have been more.

Legend has it MFJJ came into this world with a bow in his hand & wearing that Sitka vest...

Awesome test !! Thank you. I always wanted to know how much drag it has !

thank you for this.

Glad you split the atoms on this one! Nuff said!

Awesome video! I’ll keep using my whisker biscuit. Never had an issue with them. A video I’d like to see is if there is an accuracy difference at different distances.

@bradkrasowski4545

2 жыл бұрын

Brush style rests prolly account more millions of pounds of meat than all drop aways ever made combined

@travistwwreck1535

2 жыл бұрын

@@bradkrasowski4545 LMAO.

@thistledewoutdoors3331

2 жыл бұрын

@@bradkrasowski4545 I wouldn't bet against that........

@kkkzzz546

2 жыл бұрын

I believe that dropaway gives a little bit more forgiveness than any of the brush style rest at 50yards or farther , doesnt make much difference at FPS .

@travistwwreck1535

2 жыл бұрын

@@kkkzzz546 little bit. Lets look at that.. Contact the whole way, vanes flexing and twisting there way through the bristles a sloppy hole to sit in. vs no contact drop away . I can group at 50 yards within an inch with a drop away, 3-4 with a brush , add a breeze an inch turns to 2 and 4 turns to 10 . I hunt for an ethical kill fast kill, not a 2 hour search like the whisker lovers do . How many gut shot deer with a toilet brush rest, I say lots.

I shoot a drop away. It did fail on me years ago on a hunt in cold weather. The launcher did not drop. Causing a clean miss at 40 yds. Whisker biscuit never did that. I still shoot drop aways, but if i know ill be hunting the late season, i dont hesitate to switch to the biscuit. Great video. Thnx

I have always wondered about the differences between a whisker and fall away rest. My buddies used to give me crap until I finally put a fall away rest on my bow and replaced my whisker biscuit. I get it and I see pros and cons of the change. I changed because of the ware and tare on my fletchings and not speed. I want to feel comfortable with my bow’s accuracy not speed. I didn’t mean to start a big debate about whisker biscuits vs fall away rest.

Great info as always. How about testing maxed out vs wound down limbs? thanks again for all the info.

Good stuff

Thanks for doing this test, now I don't have to. BTW, I love my WB for simplicity sakes.

I think the kind of arrow used and, expecially, the kind of fletching, play a big role in the speed difference. I've little experience with biscuit style rests, but, maybe, the "Hostage" rest (I mean the one with the 3 brushes) shows even less speed difference compared to the fall away.

@bradmoulton138

5 ай бұрын

Why would it? The veins are still traveling thru the whiskers at the same point. Oh...and the guy used the same arrows in the test for both rests

Awesome video. The variance on the drop away rest is kind of crazy. I wonder what the whisker biscuit average would be after 6, since the drop away avg was 328.17 but had such large discrepancies between the highs and lows.

10 years ago I had a dropaway rest on my bow. Walking to my stand in the dark, and didn't realize I snagged my rest cord on some brush and ripped it clean out of my cable. Morning hunt was ruined. Went to a WB and never looked back.

Ooh boy am I gonna rub some peoples noses in this video! I've shot a biscuit almost since they came out, simplicity at its finest(for hunting at least)

I love mine. Honestly, I really like the trade off of simplicity. Reducing extra mechanical devices is my preferred method. I have never had an issue with the whisker bisket in both accuracy and taking game. But I do shoot 50 yards and in. The drop away seems to give a bit of an edge in longer ranges. Great video

@dfm-jv7ry

2 жыл бұрын

Same here. If you don’t plan on trying to take game beyond 40-50yds, why not use a whisker biscuit. Great video.

@ICU2B4UDO

Жыл бұрын

Me too...I'm not an "Archer." But I have 3 bows all with the Biscuit and can shoot a tennis ball at 80 yds. on a good day with all 3...😁...Funny how he got varying degrees with the fall away TWICE, but the Biscuit was dead on!! 🤣...So for all the guys that keep saying how the fall away is better: 🤫🤐😶...😂🤣😅

@snipersteve378

Жыл бұрын

Cost difference at least $100 for 1.5 fps!

@ICU2B4UDO

Жыл бұрын

@@snipersteve378 ...Ikr!! I have 3 bows all with the Biscuit and are set out to 80 yds...I can hit a tennis ball at that distance on a good day...The fall away is a waste of $$$ imho...

@snipersteve378

Жыл бұрын

@@ICU2B4UDO im definitely getting a new bow this coming winter I'm going to set it up with the whisker biscuit I'm either going Matthews v3x or PSE Evo XT. My 11-year-old Evo with the code red rest has treated me good but time for an upgrade.

I've shot QAD, VT, and ripcord rests for a bunch of years...last year I slipped and fell on a bridge and ruined my QAD. I put a biscuit on and continued the season. Then I shot indoor leagues and 3d leagues with the biscuit and shot the same scores as I did with my fall aways. I also tested them over a chrono and came out with a 3 fps difference. After 25 years of hunting and shooting I honestly believe the biscuit gets a bad rap. The one key to using them? USE BLAZERS(or similar)....thats my experience anyway ....

@brpnw4r94

2 жыл бұрын

Chris....yes, a low profile vane regardless of brand. 👍

@flip66five

2 жыл бұрын

The biscuit bad rap is basically a marketing scheme that most new comers swallow without thought... if you dont use cheap vanes ( ive shot the same arrows for years) they dont get damaged.. if i had to be critical of the two drawbacks, 2fps loss and the bristles wear out and tangle after a few years, id still say the simplicity, containment, and reliabilty out weight the cons every time... all other failures as rare as they are, are user errors... i just cant bring myself to spend 200 dollars over 50 for the same performance with a bigger potential down side...

@teamflanneloutdoors5631

2 жыл бұрын

I shot low profile feathers with slight offset 2 years through a Biscuit- they still look new.

@jarrodskeete52

2 жыл бұрын

Heat vanes through biscuit glide though like butter..... The more textured surface to the blazers has more resistance on the nylon bristles... Amazing to feel if you pull the arrows thru rest with the hand.

@DC-vx6ed

Жыл бұрын

Now "Trophy Ridge" (same company as Whisker Biscuit) came out with the V-Maxx not to long ago, and getting better results from the V-Maxx. Arrows just slide easier through the V-Maxx for some reason. Just a thought.

Josh cool vlog and thanks for clearing that scenario out between the two different arrow rests. I personally prefer the drop away rest and I like QAD a lot. Do you have any preference for a arrow rest?? Thanks buddy!!

If the price point of a whisker biscuit were $150 to $300 dollars, we'd be seeing a lot more of them on the TV set.

It's never really been about the speed difference it's more about the whisker biscuit staying in contact the whole length of the arrow and fetching contact...fall away is more forgiving!

We tested those arrow rests and a Bowtech arrow rest (the kind with three containment bristles). We shot a ton of arrows through three different bows and got about the same results as you. The Bowtech containment bristle rest was the same speeds as the drop away rests due to no fletching contact. Also the regular vanes averaged 1fps more through the biscut vs blazer vanes.

@brpnw4r94

2 жыл бұрын

Stormy...I believe you're talking about a "Hostage" style rest?

Good job

thanks MFJJ the same guy commented the same BS on my tictok. i got another one for you that ive heard and never tested. " a bow will break in strings and after the first 250-350 shots will actually gain 5-7 FPS after the break-in period." next time you get a test bow into the shop dyno it raw and after 500 shots to compare the performance. ill bet there is a slight increase.

I still use a whisker biscuit here in the coastal plains of Eastern NC. Average kill shot is less than 25 yards. Very dense swamps and timber.

i don't know anything about archery, but if you want to be consistent in the comparation speed data, you shoud shoot from same position, you shoot 30 cms at least closer to the chrony in the second set, check you back position against the background and you will agree. in the third set the speed seems to be afected by the position too

I'd like to see the comparison between a cable activation rest and a limb driven.

Hell, that bow was just getting warmed up like rifle on the bench. Shoot three more😉 On a serious note..set up a hooter shooter type device and do your testing to eliminate "any" human error. Just a thought if you want to get down to brass tacks. Cheers

I always assumed there would be a difference. Thanks for the testing! ✌🏼

Could you do a bow tuning video on the Solution or any Bowtech with the cam adjustment

Any tips on how to quiet a whisker biscuit? My gold tips arrows are noisy when being drawn over the whiskers.

Kewl!

would like to see this repeated with a hostage style three brush rest, the full brush biscuit, and after making sure the drop away was tuned well, since it's variance was sufficiently extreme that I doubt that particular set up could group especially well.

It's definitely not what I expected. What about accuracy difference up to 30 yards? Thank you for all the videos and info.

Good video - thanks for doing that. My take away is the ES (Extreme Spread) of velocity seems more consistent with the biscuit - would not have guessed that. That could mean better accuracy. In your spare time, would you do a larger sample size to confirm lower ES with biscuit....say a set of 30 each?😁

Interesting real world test. Everyone is concerned with the speed but this test brings up another point-which is more consistent? That big of a spread in velocity(and was repeatable) in theory challenges the point that the drop away is the more consistent and accurate rest in the real world.

@brandonurbaniak1890

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I was kind of curious about the SD and ES. Ironic the the Whisker Biscuit had a lowe SD and ES.

WB is the best hunting rest I’ve used.

My question is what is the difference on a lower power bow. High powered bow's produce so much energy that the biscuit does not impact speed much. What happens when you have someone that has a draw weight under 35 lbs? I would guess that impact would be greater?

Thanks for this. Next time do a lot more shots and just speed it up the sample size is really kind of tiny for a test. One thing that jumped out at me was the consistency of the wb compared to drop away but there was not enough shots to really see if more variance would have shown up. Anyways I like to see this kind of content

Haven’t used a whisker biscuit in years, but the more tests I see that try to demonstrate how much they suck make me consider going back to it… if the speed loss is negligible and the accuracy is similar, you have to consider the reduced weight, ease of use and quiet containment. Couple that with removing the possibility of mechanical failure, seems like all these string driven, limb driven rests have done a great job of marketing their products. We have all forgotten the K.I.S.S. (Keep It Simple Stupid) rule.

@hawaiiangunner

Жыл бұрын

Depends on how much you shoot. If you practice a lot whisker biscuit is going to destroy your fletchits. Whereas a Fall Away rest or a blade will not. That's the only difference for me. I shoot a lot. At least 200 arrows per day minimum.

@stanleyogle1285

Жыл бұрын

@@hawaiiangunner I agree, if your using fletchings vs. vains; I’ve actually switched back to a whisker biscuit since writing this initial comment; pretty happy with my setup, heading off to Idaho next week to kill a bull elk!

@hawaiiangunner

Жыл бұрын

@@stanleyogle1285 good luck!!!

Hey MFJJ! What's the best way to set up a string stop? Not touching, just touching? Thanks.

I'll always take a whisker, just less hassle overall

I’m interested to dive into the bigger standard deviation with the fall away. Both times there was roughly 5 FPS variance from fastest to slowest. I wonder if that would change with the fall away string tied in properly? Maybe the vanes are slightly further back on on arrow that gives complete clearance from the fall away versus the others just touching? Spitballing here, could spine have anything to do with it? Could the faster arrows spine be better aligned with the string so more energy is being put into forward momentum versus bending the arrow (which might make the other two slower). Perhaps the whisker biscuit reduces that bending of the arrow giving a tighter group?

@bradmoulton138

5 ай бұрын

No

IMO the Whisker Biscuit is the GOAT of hunting rest. I'm on my second season with the Trinity, so far I like it with my heavy arrow build, always tinkering, and learning💡

@travistwwreck1535

2 жыл бұрын

Far from the GOAT, its cheap , it effects the arrow, Good as a back up , that it.

@trenthicks523

9 күн бұрын

Show me a fall away that doesn't run the risk of failure. The comment said the GOAT of hunting rest. How could the biscuit not be? It's no less accurate at hunting ranges, velocity loss is basically non existent, weather will not effect it, and it will not fail. To deny that is not ignorant, it's dishonest.

I wonder what would be the speed using a target blade rest.

I might be a lil crazy. I would shoot same arrow 3 times. Thanks for the videos. I just started in archery for almost a month. Already kicking myself for getting a elite basin. I wanted to get a better bow @50lbs. Then I would have purchased new heavier limbs. I was told that’s crazy. I probably would have went with a $300-$400 RTS bow.To get my DW up. I started &45lbs DW. I am @56lbs. I will keep the basin for one of my 13YO daughters if they catch the archery bug. If anyone could let me know the best archery shop in tri-state area in New York where they let you try bows out. Don’t feel like driving to Lancaster.

Drop away rests was the biggest lemon sold in archery history. whisker biscuits forever!

I have had two fall away rest fail on me. One was a ripcord the other a QAD. Both had internal spring failures and failed to drop. The Ripcord failed at the most inopportune time and it caused me to lose a big Buck.

I had a qad fail and bought the trophy ridge V max and I shoot 80 yards with the same sight tape , VXR28

MFJJ, unrelated to this video but was wondering what your experience if any is with the trophy ridge react sights. Looking to upgrade to a higher end single pin. Any insight from you would be awesome. Keep feeding us the killer videos, they're the best out there.

I'd love a video on how to use the electric drill with the bow press.

Can u try the v 2 biskit I like that one and herd it's better then the older one

I tried the same thing, 516 grain arrow, 69lb draw. There was no difference on my crono. Whisker is in my bow kit while elk hunting, its set equally with my hamskea just in case I need it. Everyone should have both.

Can i ask why you didn’t set the timing on drop away before testing? Would that make a difference?

Hey. Can you use the 3° helical left or right with the Biscuit? That's what I'm dealing with this year?

How much would a biscuit affect a helical fletched arrow?

Would it had made a difference to shoot the W.b. 3 more times or do you think the speed would've stayed the same?

Doesn't it seem like the consistency of the Whisker Biscuit would be an advantage? At least based on that limited test.

Will u test the new hamskea rest if u get one

Interesting. I figured the drop away would be around 5 fps faster. Good stuff man 👍🏽

@waynestevenson9613

2 жыл бұрын

I know a Frank the Tank! Is this Fowler?!?

@frankthetank9741

2 жыл бұрын

@@waynestevenson9613 haha. No, sorry 😐

Test it at 20, 30, 40 ,50 yards and get back to me . I will keep my drop away over whisker contact and vane damage any day. And test it without the lighted Knock and it might work as it should.

I'm curious if it's the arrows that are giving you the different speeds because no arrow is the same just like no bow is the same. Anything mass produced has flaws but the only thing changing in this video is the arrows.

you should compare the Trophy Ridge Whisker Biscuit V Max Arrow Rest

I'm personally not so worried about the speed, but more about the tunability. Does the wisker biscuit interfere with getting an arrow with a broadhead to tune properly being that it is contacting the arrow while on the rest? I think thats the advantage of the fall away. It drops away so quickly, it doesn't have contact with the arrow during flight.

Will you do the test again and do what most shooters do and cut away the bristles that come in contact with the fletching . The only thing you want to come in contact with the bristles is the arrows at full draw . Once the arrow is moving forward the arrow shouldn't come in contact with the bristles at all if your are in good tune and the fletching are free to pass through without making contact with the bristles . If you don't want to cut away the bristles they make a whisker biscuit that has a 3 piece bristle configuration .

Question: Is odd vane position important when using whisker biscuit? I mean the arrow is fully contained, and the 3 vane are going to pass all the same! even in a drop-away, the vanes are not touching anything! so does it actually matter if the odd vane is up/down/out? I’m new to archery, and I’m learning, I know its super important on recurve because the vanes touch the rest or shelf, but I can’t see it would be important in a compound, if it’s important, can someone explain why?

Video idea- difference in string building materials- Vec-99 vs the MFJJ/SVA specials and why?

I think bow manufacturers are measuring bow speed without the vibration dampeners. I wonder if you could compare bow speeds with and without.