I laughed wayy to hard at that one Tiktok comment who said “anyone who thinks it’s 10am is a flat earther”

@Counter-Intuitive

3 жыл бұрын

Flat-earthers = Mouth-breathers

@ianpaulmarolifemattdelagar370

3 жыл бұрын

Good one

@BeTheChange99

3 жыл бұрын

Such a 2pm person thing to say

@hughjecoque3515

3 жыл бұрын

So flat earth is correct now?

@Bucketheadhead

3 жыл бұрын

Hugh Jecoque Well we do perceive that the Earth is flat :)

I just asked my husband and he said “I would ask for clarifications for the exact time.”

@carlosizquierdo1939

3 жыл бұрын

Good man

@ECM24

3 жыл бұрын

same

@ibrahim_-_-_

3 жыл бұрын

Smart man

@savvivixen8490

3 жыл бұрын

He must've been through this ALOT

@queenthoria7483

3 жыл бұрын

My dad said the exact same thing lol

For anyone struggling to understand the other side: - 10am: 'moved forward' as in moved closer to you, like if a person was facing you, you would tell them to move forward = come closer -2pm: 'moved forward' as in moved towards the future, so away from you, like if a person was facing the same way as you, you would tell them to move forward = go away Hope this helped :)

@fallon-grey5896

3 жыл бұрын

This did help thank you!

@rosearachnid879

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, this did help! I'm still firmly on the ego-moving side though, lol

@asingleshot7

3 жыл бұрын

The meeting was pushed back two hours. That's my preferred phrasing and made the whole video baffling

@blackkittycat15

3 жыл бұрын

@Itz.your.girl_wendie I did the exact opposite. I originally thought 10am as in forward = sooner, but then I realized if you go forward as in clockwise, it would be 2pm.

@ObiJakobe

3 жыл бұрын

It's the wording. If someone said the meeting has been moved back you would think that it will happen later rather than sooner. But if you say it has been moved forward then you would infer that the meeting was prioritized more making it 2 hours sooner But without context, the meeting movED forward by 2 hours could mean: The meeting IS movING forward by 2 hours AFTER noon.

Noon = 12 AM “Moved Forward” Forward = Well, Forwards. Forward = + +2 hours past noon. 2pm.

@ssa-4460

3 жыл бұрын

This is the only correct answer

@trillcarro

3 жыл бұрын

Tellin Time for dummies 😅😅

@nadim2911

3 жыл бұрын

@@katherineguevara4430 Huh? Original Meeting: 12 PM Move *Forward* by 2 Hours: 2 PM

@katherineguevara4430

3 жыл бұрын

@@nadim2911 no noon has been moved forward, not the meeting

@nadim2911

3 жыл бұрын

@@katherineguevara4430 It's says “noon meeting”. Meaning “12:00 meeting”, had been moved forward by 2 hours.

Anyone who says “the noon meeting is moved forward two hours” should be fired for not being able to communicate effectively. Just say what time the meeting is like a decent person.

@inediblearrangement

3 жыл бұрын

They should also be fired for causing unnecessary emotional distress in the workplace.

@Dinkyfish666

3 жыл бұрын

But if you didn’t realise anyone else perceived time differently then you wouldn’t be knowingly confusing people. I’m in #team10am and I really struggle to comprehend how anyone would have thought otherwise

@danieloh1075

3 жыл бұрын

G Wednesday’s NOON meeting has been moved FORWARD by 2 hours. FORWARD meaning it was moved to a time AFTER noon... thats my perception

@baqcasanke

3 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

@yoursevershahriza1494

3 жыл бұрын

You are the one I am searching

"is the meeting at 10am or 2pm?" Me: Idk I'll be late either way

@gazelle510

3 жыл бұрын

My man!

@ender4344

3 жыл бұрын

I will arrive half an hour late anyway lol

@codemiesterbeats

3 жыл бұрын

I saw a license plate on a car near me that gave me a chuckle, it said "USULYL8"

@Dani-ICU-RN

3 жыл бұрын

👍👍👍👍👍🤣🤣🤣🤣☕☕ me toooooooo

@Dani-ICU-RN

3 жыл бұрын

@@codemiesterbeats late is the new "ontime" .lol. im lucky if I get the day correct! Its not Wednesday or Friday..it's -This day,the other day ..in a few days.. a couple of days ago...lol

This reminded me of the movie The Arrival. It's incredible how language could affect our perception of time.

@yumnarashid1519

3 жыл бұрын

Hey.. I invite you to my KZread channel 😊 I hope you like it.

@ellamyntr3acha348

3 жыл бұрын

it really is incredible!!

@donovantownshend8783

2 жыл бұрын

those theories have been proven entirely false

This was right on time for me. I had just called my doctor's office and told them that I needed my appointment to be moved back two weeks, and the nurse thought I meant that I wanted it moved forward two weeks. The more we talked about it, the more confused we both became, until I finally told her what date I wanted to reschedule it. I couldn't understand her confusion until I saw this video.

I said 2pm, but then I thought about the terms “pushed back” and “moved forward” and I could see it both ways. I’ve experienced these terms used both ways but never really thought about it. So now I’m just severely confused and don’t know what to think...

@guillaumebouramia9041

3 жыл бұрын

Same u read my mind

@NatureLover-pj2qe

3 жыл бұрын

Same

@samanthastoker7084

3 жыл бұрын

I'm a 2 pm person, but this just tripped me up so hard because I realized that I initially see both phrases as meaning the same thing (later in the day). Now I'm questioning if my brain is broken and my whole perception of time lol

@the1barbarian781

3 жыл бұрын

In both scenarios I would say 2PM anyone else?

@chrismcghee4867

3 жыл бұрын

Same. There is no phrasing I can think of which does not indicate the direction in time, vs direction in space, which would make me think the meeting would be earlier. If you were to say “has been moved back” or “has been moved forward” both directions mean “later” to me. Thinking on it deeper, I intuitively think that both imply a “pushing” motion, pushing the event away from me. Where if you explicitly said “has been pulled back” or “has been pulled forward” I would think “earlier”. Wild.

Broke: “is the dress blue/black or gold/white?” Woke: “Is the meeting at 10am or 2pm?”

@acharich

3 жыл бұрын

🙃🙃🙃

@snowyy6137

3 жыл бұрын

Pls help me understand what you mean by broke and woke

@darknessduke000

3 жыл бұрын

Kraig?

@corn-is-everywhere4052

3 жыл бұрын

I see blue and gold

@redpaw40

3 жыл бұрын

@@corn-is-everywhere4052 really, i see blue and light brown.

For example, everyone says “Christmas is coming” not “we’re getting to Christmas”.

@flyaround312

3 жыл бұрын

That's just a phrase. I say "Christmas is coming" and have the ego-moving perspective that I'm moving through time to reach it

@beaconblaster33

3 жыл бұрын

"Relativity"

@XxKINGatLIFExX

3 жыл бұрын

Winter Is Coming

@rozygcf6611

3 жыл бұрын

I've heard really eager people say, "we're getting so close to Christmas!" Before.

@MeowmeowAlexandra

3 жыл бұрын

People don't say "We're getting to Christmas" because that's not proper English.

Saying “the meeting has been moved 𝐹𝑂𝑅𝑊𝐴𝑅𝐷 two hours” made me think 2pm. But if “the meeting has been moved 𝑈𝑃 two hours” had been said, I would have thought 10am.

@mollylastname5647

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed

Similar topic, I have consistently had professors who say something like "the assignment is due by midnight June 27th" and the whole class will be confused as to whether that means June 26th 11:59:59PM or June 27th 11:59:59PM because people's perception of whether midnight is the latest point of the day or the earliest point of the day is different. This is generally solved by professors saying the assignment is instead due by 11:59PM of whatever day but the ambiguity of the topic always fascinated me

@moth.03

3 жыл бұрын

My brother and I had an argument over this! I said midnight Friday and he thought I meant a minute after 11:59 pm on Friday but I meant a minute before 00:01 am on Friday. He got very annoyed at me.

@SMFortissimo

3 жыл бұрын

I’ve had the exact same issue

@cindygiesbrecht3146

3 жыл бұрын

I always thought it was mean of the schools to do this!! Why make it at midnight when the prof is totally sleeping then. It should be 3 hours before whenever the next class is scheduled.

@jillfanning749

3 жыл бұрын

Ohhh. That’s why they do that!

@Ryan-ee5lp

3 жыл бұрын

I mean, logically, midnight June 27 is 12 am. So, the night of June 26. But if you look at it in sleep cycles, the nights is still part of the June 26.

Personally, I thought. "Oh, it's 2:00 PM." But then I thought "Oh, crap. Moving forward would mean it's sooner, so it's 10:00 AM." So... I guess I'm an ego-moving person who has adapted to time-moving people. Or something like that.

@imaniware4944

3 жыл бұрын

I had the same thought. In professional settings, moved forward has always meant an earlier time in my experience. I wonder if it differs on what country's English you are referring to? I think in the US there is an accepted standard of what this means.

@LaurenMilla

3 жыл бұрын

I did something similar. I thought 2pm at first but then used the opposite language, if I heard the meeting was pushed back 2 hours, that makes me think it's further away and thus came to the conclusion that forward means 10am even though I kind of think 2pm instinctually

@Meonium

3 жыл бұрын

@@LaurenMilla Nice way of thinking.

@ethanmarch2478

3 жыл бұрын

I had the same reaction too. Thought it was 2pm and how can it be anything different, but then thought about it longer and figured that it could be both.

@blubab89

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly how I thought as well after reading a few comments... now I feel like I’m stuck in between these two categories

My initial thought was 2pm, then I thought about it. If it was "pushed back" instead of "moved forward" I would think 2pm... So now I'm just confused and don't know where I stand 😂

@girlofanimation

3 жыл бұрын

Same. I thought 2pm, initially, until I looked at the wording again. Moved forward sounds like it was moved towards an earlier time, so now I keep thinking 10am and can't re-associate myself with the 2pm crowd.

@emmam9932

3 жыл бұрын

I did the same thing, I feel like it’s because I can’t imagine having a meeting happening earlier than scheduled, they always get pushed later

@Bridiebxx

3 жыл бұрын

I feel exactly the same

@mayam.235

3 жыл бұрын

The clock goes forward clockwise.

@Deeomi

3 жыл бұрын

thank you I was so sure of my answer before .. now I don't know either 😅

A late comment, but I just wanted to say that in Chinese language, we have a very clear cut difference with the words 前, meaning forward in this context, and 后, meaning backwards in this context as well. We say 前天, which means the day before yesterday, and 后天, as the day after tomorrow. So my family uses forward to say that time has became earlier and then use backwards to say that time has become later. (The English in this sentence isn't really correct but it took the least amount of work to type out and be understood rather than misunderstood.) When I saw this question, I thought immediately of 10am. However, when watching movies and scrubbing through the timeline (I think I used an animation term for movies, which is not the best fit) I say 前 for scrubbing to the end, basically moving forwards, and 后, for moving backwards- getting back o the start. Not many people may see this comment, but if you do, my main point is: we might have different perceptions of time based on the situation and unit of it.

@Frankie5Angels150

9 ай бұрын

No offense but you people haven’t even figured out how a fork works in 5000 years.

@buchelaruzit

2 ай бұрын

well that makes sense since here the confusion is because the word "forward" is ambiguous. but 前 and 后 specifically mean before and after. if you said "before" or "after" in the english sentence instead of "forward" everyone would interpret it the same way.

When people say “next Friday” and they mean this coming Friday. It drives me insane because “”next Friday” is not this coming Friday, it is the next coming Friday. But I can see the difference in understanding, it just annoys me.

@Bexyboo88

3 жыл бұрын

So funny, I feel the same, but I constantly have to clarify what I mean by saying "... it's next Friday, so, not this Friday, the one after" haha!

@mbrown6658

3 жыл бұрын

I do the same! My fiance gets so frustrated because he says "next Friday" meaning this coming one. His argument is always "well it is technically the next Friday that will happen". I think of it like you would with a week, if it is in "this week" then it is "this Friday" or "this Thursday" or whatever but if it is in the next week then it is next Friday. I'm glad I'm not the only one!!

@OpGamerBruh

3 жыл бұрын

"This Friday" or Friday. Next Friday = 2 Fridays from now unless the day is Friday when 'next Friday' is uttered. Then it would only be the upcoming Friday.

@kittybeans8192

3 жыл бұрын

Okay I'll bite, what does next Friday mean, and what does this coming Friday mean? Let's say it's Monday, 1st of the month now, and you tell me there's a party next Friday, and a meeting this coming Friday. Which days of the month are the meeting and party?

@za6604

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, same! You should say this Friday for the coming Friday and next Friday for next week.

"Time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so." - Douglas Adams

@CaroAlbahaca

3 жыл бұрын

Just one more till 42

@roobixhube

3 жыл бұрын

Well done, have a cookie!

@Bananna219

3 жыл бұрын

I really really wanted them to say that quote when it came up! I felt very let down. Thank you for restoring my faith in humanity.

@Froggyx

3 жыл бұрын

Umm...no Albert Einstein said that 😒

This is so interesting! I've always thought people should just leave out "forward" or "backward" when they speak of changing a time. "The meeting has been moved to [time]" is much less confusing. I'd be interested to know which group of people tends to be late and which tends to be early for events.

“Time is an illusion and so is death” That one guy from avatar the last airbender

@heee302

2 жыл бұрын

:)

When I hear that the meeting was "moved forward" two hours, I think that it's going to be at 2pm, but if it were "moved back" two hours, I would also think that it's at 2pm, so I think my time perspective might just be avoidant 😅

@chapterrv

3 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂

@lucaslahlum6331

3 жыл бұрын

Let’s be honest, who wants to go to a meeting. 😂

@JustRaine13

3 жыл бұрын

Crammers unite!

@katiemair920

3 жыл бұрын

omg saameeee!! i was like moved forwarded - 2pm... moved back - also 2pm. moved UP - 10am 😂

@lightwire123

3 жыл бұрын

Moved down to 2pm

2015: White & Gold Dress vs. Black & Blue Dress 2016: Shiny Legs vs. White Paint on Legs 2018: Yanny vs. Laurel 2020: 10AM vs 2PM The world is always trying to divide us even though we're already doing it ourselves.

@johnappleseed3428

3 жыл бұрын

am i the only one who sees blue and gold?

@Carla-ou2yb

3 жыл бұрын

The dress thing was 5 years ago? Uugh time moves soo fast

@pikmin36

3 жыл бұрын

Blue, shiny, laurel, 2PM. Too easy 😏😋

@asciishallreceive3871

3 жыл бұрын

2021 Extinct vs Evolved

@Scribbby

3 жыл бұрын

All the ones on the right are the right ones. And no, I'm not right-wing conservative.

lmao I'm the third one: confused because I've never heard the phrase "moves forward by xxx hrs" only earlier or later ;-;

@Call-me-Al

3 жыл бұрын

Sane people use earlier and later. Forward and back is dumb as heck

It's interesting that with the "holidays coming to you" or "getting to the holidays" my brain completely switches camps

With the "meeting" example it's just down to your use of the word "forward", wether you read it as meaning continuing on from the current time. Or if you read it to mean coming sooner than the current time, as the word can be used for both. I see both, I first read it as meaning 2pm, but then after rereading it in a different context I read it as 10am. But both are possible.

@katzenlady5339

3 жыл бұрын

I had the same thoughts about that. I'm not a native speaker, so I was wondering which of these two meanings the 'forward' has in the context of time. If I'm interpreting it the way I would in my mother tongue I would say 10 am but the way I interpretate English I would say 2 pm and than I've been totally lost 😄

@pinkred22

3 жыл бұрын

Yes! Thank you!

@ITxMik

3 жыл бұрын

This comment saved me, I was freaking out for a hot minute (I'm not a native speaker of English). I got it when the sentence "I'm looking forward to meet you" popped into my mind. That helped me making sense of this other interpretation of the word "forward" as in _sooner_ instead of later (which, still, is the one that makes most sense to me).

@professional.commentator

3 жыл бұрын

I had this exact dilemma back in high school and college but instead of the word forward it was back and the teacher would be like we are moving this due date back. And I'm thinking back which way, further into the future or a sooner date.

@cookiekat0309

3 жыл бұрын

:0 I watch ur vids!

I love Greg's trying-to-process face. He's concentrating so hard.

@coolinfrost8982

3 жыл бұрын

Yep thats cute

I stumbled onto your sight tonight and I'd like to say that I really, really get a kick outta the POV'S you share! Thanks for the effort into the quality! You both have charisma, I love it!

Always been a fan of you guys but I really like this particular video format of the 2 of you having a discussion while providing information. Keep it up!

I have consistently heard “moved forward” used to mean moved to an earlier time (forward in your day), and “pushed back” to mean pushed to a later time in the day.

@hash2718

3 жыл бұрын

This made me understand the other perspective and this actually makes a good amount of sense

@danielacaballero5141

3 жыл бұрын

Yes! Thats the only way I can think about this !

@Kabbinj

3 жыл бұрын

I am in the 10 AM group, but how does "forward in your day" mean earlier exactly? Also, for the ones that answered 2 PM, does moving forward and pushed back mean the same thing, or does pushed back mean earlier?

@iceboxmetalfreak

3 жыл бұрын

@@Kabbinj See it as in before the 12 so 2pm would be after

@Meonium

3 жыл бұрын

I mean, in all my life pushed forward means earlier and pushed back means the opposite. I wonder what those people who think pushed forward is the same as pushed back way of thinking...

"There are actually two ways in which we English speaking humans percieve time" People who speak other languages: ''i dont have such weaknesses''

@KevAlberta

3 жыл бұрын

Hahaha hahaha that was funny

@Black3ight

3 жыл бұрын

But most people with other languages speak english too, it's common tongue.

@kellyramirez781

3 жыл бұрын

@@Black3ight yes but if you speak another language then my guess is you have a lot of different perceptions about a lot of different things. for example: i'm a native spanish speaker (colombian) but have been in a heavily english-speaking atmosphere (international schools) for over a decade. i pretty much think in english at this point. but as soon as i heard his question, i thought to myself "that's so vague, i've seen it be used in both ways", so that completely contradicts this whole "one or the other" theory

@olgaperez4705

3 жыл бұрын

I'm a native Spanish speaker and I think it's at 2 pm in English but if translated to Spanish, it's obviously at 10???? anyone else bilingual/multilingual that perceives time different on different languages???

@unoriginal1086

3 жыл бұрын

@@olgaperez4705 I think its that the language translated is more direct, and like in spanish maybe it is different language and more obvious. I think your brain sees it the same way, but in spanish when translated the question slightly changes and makes one answer much more obvious.

I absolutely love this discussion, not only for its linguistic syntax and the English language but also for its holographic reality in physics. I love the fact that you guys see it as a relationship oriented diffusion and occlusion of gravitational time space assessments in the now! I do believe I initially answer the question of getting to the end of the year with a friend of mine before I saw this. She responded "yeah it's coming fast,"👌 to which I had to counter "well I can't wait till I get to that point in 2020 it'll finally be over.” it occurred to me we might be having a Virginia wolf-ish conversation, but I did think about the holographic universe and 0 point time in relationship this year. And our perception of how we physically communicate with these concepts, occurred to me later on. So I really appreciate you following up with this construct that had been rattling around in the back of my mind for weeks.

Haven't seen your videos in years. KZread just stopped suggesting you and a whole bunch of channels I watched regularly. I have to click the bell on so many channels my ears are ringing.

this is so shocking to me i have ego moving perspective and I can’t imagine not seeing time this way WOW

@sirim5058

3 жыл бұрын

Same!! I don't understand

@appleslover

3 жыл бұрын

@@Chris-rg6nm exactly

@islarf5095

3 жыл бұрын

Vegeta is definitely Ego moving perspective.

@mindlander

3 жыл бұрын

It's shocking to me you so readily accept this analysis.

@deleriousdinosaur3205

3 жыл бұрын

@@Chris-rg6nm that is so dumb

I really couldn’t understand the illustration, so for anyone else confused: within the phrase “the meeting has been moved forward” The difference is forward meaning “closer to now” vs meaning “further in the day”

@mooneater1905

3 жыл бұрын

Newt Scamander OMG YOU MADE IT MAKE SENCE LIKE YOU MEAN THE MEETING IS CLOSER TO NOW! I THOUGHT IT WAS 2 PM BUT NOW I THINK BOTH THANKS SO MUCH 🥰🥰🥰

@NikolaiRubanovskii

3 жыл бұрын

English is my second language and for me it waa obviously 2 pm, but when you explained, I now understand there are more implications for the word "forward" than I learned. Very cool!

@H0n3yMonstah

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, it means bring it closer to you, have it earlier, if something is moving forward slowly and you decide to physically push it forward to make it move faster, it means you want it to get to the destination sooner. Same with a meeting, if you want to bring it forward then you want to have it sooner, not later.

@x.ravenclawgirl.x4331

3 жыл бұрын

1. I like your Name! 2. English is a foreign language for me (I'm German) and I'd translate "The meeting is moving forward" as "Das Treffen wird vor verlegt" which I think obviously means earlier for every German (for me at least, I could be wrong and just think it's obvious when it actually isn't). And as I'd translate the English sentence like this, I'd definitely think, the meeting would be at 10 am. But it could just be kinda a mistranslation as well.

@catinheadphones5493

3 жыл бұрын

Oooohhhh thank you!!

When I think about an event I am dreading, I still feel like I'm in the ego-perception group, but it feels more like a rollercoaster where you're moving towards the scary part but you can't stop lol

"Time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so." -- Ford Prefect

Yanny is having a meeting at 10am, and she's wearing white-gold dress.

@aliviareed3238

3 жыл бұрын

All of those are wronggggg 😂

@Smt_.x

3 жыл бұрын

You had me until you said white and gold, smh 😭

@laettesollis8140

3 жыл бұрын

Haha! Good one! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@lightwire123

3 жыл бұрын

2pm and I'll agree xD

@jaker8461

3 жыл бұрын

Am I the only one that hears the yanny/laurel thing as "yarry"?

I personally think its White & Gold

@esteban_osman

3 жыл бұрын

No

@delfina7481

3 жыл бұрын

its definitely yanny

@zirrnorseman8068

3 жыл бұрын

Two of my favorite channels in the same spot. I love it

@ayushn9078

3 жыл бұрын

You all are wrong ....it is 5 am

@007meow

3 жыл бұрын

No blue and black

It’s 10am. The reason to this is, ask yourself this question but in this way”the meeting has been pushed back by 2 hours” you can’t push a meeting back 2 hours and have it end up at 10am it can only be 2pm. Which means when the meeting is pushed forward by 2 hours 10am is the answer

@marku.9644

2 жыл бұрын

But one of the meanings of ‘forward’ n the Oxford Dictionary is related to the future. And since 12 pm is the reference point in time, then forward means the future. So it’s 2 pm. This is how we objectively measure time.

@kkiller1438

2 жыл бұрын

Think of the hourhand of a clock, "move forward" means to _move forward_ that hourhand of the clock by 2 hours. Therefore it's 2 pm. Q.E.D.

I instinctually thought 2pm but after you pointed it out I realized that if the meeting were moved forward it would be 10:00. If the meeting were pushed back, then it would be 2:00. I have the most boring type of synesthesia but it's actually relevant for this. I blend time and space perception, which is what I though everyone did until I heard about time-space synesthesia and realized that not everyone does that. For me, time is like a helix/coil that I'm standing on, with the future being up, forward, and to the right, and the past is down, forward, and to the left. When I'm thinking of time relative to myself, I see it based on wherever I am on the coil. When I'm thinking of time relative to itself (like thinking of a date on the year, but not how far away it is from me), I'm standing in the spring, around April, probably because that's when my birthday is. So from that standpoint, I'm in the spring, summer is to my right, winter is to my left, and autumn is below and across from me. But right now it's November, so winter is to my right, summer is to my left, and spring is up and across from me. Seasons also have colors but I think that's just kind of cultural, like spring is green, winter is ice blue, fall is dark orange and summer is yellow. But I think that's just the colors most people associate wih the seasons. Apparently my mom thinks of time as an imaginary calendar, where if you say "April", she imagines the month of April on a calendar.

When I hear the noon meeting was moved forward by 2 hours, I think 2pm. But if someone says the noon meeting was moved up by 2 hours, I think 10am.

@ariesmry

3 жыл бұрын

Kayvon12321 I agree. Not done with the video, but I think it’s a matter of semantics

@nicolehughes7863

3 жыл бұрын

Same, also if you day moved back 2 hours I think 2pm also

@Alkoholwioslaidziwki

3 жыл бұрын

I think forward/backward is based on your experience of time, while up/down is based on the way we read and write. If there is/was a culture that read starting from the bottom, they would probably hold the opposite view.

@HelloHamburger

3 жыл бұрын

@@Alkoholwioslaidziwki So Arabic, Egyptian, and Ancient Japanese?

@alyssachantaychampagne2773

3 жыл бұрын

I think that because of planners. If the planner is horizontal, I'd say forward is later. If the planner is vertical I'd say up is earlier.

There’s no right or wrong answer.... until you’ve missed the meeting entirely 🙃😂

@scorpiorising_

3 жыл бұрын

😁😁😁

Thinking of the timeline- 10am perspective is time is left facing and moving FORWARD towards you, taking all moments and events with it (like the meeting). 2pm perspective is you (and all other things) are right facing and moving FORWARD through time, with time being a static concept that doesn't move. This is how everyone sees the meeting as moving forward.

as SOON as you mentioned seeing it as something you're dreading, I immediately was able to see the 10 AM crowd's perspective. This video is blowing my mind and I still have 2 minutes left to watch 😲

"Do you now think that it's at 2pm or at 10am?" I think I'm definitely gonna miss that meeting....

Me: "Wednesday's noon meeting has been moved forward by 2 hours. What time is the meeting now?" My Dad: "4 pm" Me: -_-

@beccanull7758

3 жыл бұрын

Wow

@brenzikmohaa

3 жыл бұрын

You never mentioned the real time of the meeting. So yeah, your dads got a point.

@Zico20

3 жыл бұрын

Pratik Cankles you are even worse than her dad because you had time to think about that stupid answer.

@shanemorris3554

3 жыл бұрын

My step dad has his own time like this

@psychott6

3 жыл бұрын

KJG Noon is 12

When referencing a meeting on a time line if you push a meeting BACK then you're adding on time to the countdown for said meeting, if you're moving it FORWARD, it's coming closer to the current time. Therefore: 12 PM meeting moved FORWARD 2 hours is 10 AM 12 PM meeting moved BACK 2 hours is 2 PM The words don't involve perception, it's a literal measurement based on our current qualification of a timeline.

I love this! i like that there’s a discussion and opinion aspect to this video. also. it’s 100% 2pm thank you very much.

What’s shocking to me was that when you very first said the question, my immediate thought was “oh it at 2pm” but when I stopped and thought about it for a second I reversed my perspective within just a few seconds and now confidently feel that it’s at 10 am. Very odd.

I chose 2pm, yet I see the holidays as coming towards us.

@TheKaylaPup

3 жыл бұрын

I agree. Completely. I still can't see how it could be 10AM, but I am starting to understand why it's odd. Consider this breakdown. Wednesday's noon meeting has been moved forward by two hours. Wednesday's is a possessive noun, it is showing ownership of noon. Noon is a noun. Following traditional English sentence structure nouns are usually either the subject: the one doing the verb, or an object, something the doing is done to. (you might drive a car or give to a friend, car and friend are objects.) Meeting is also a noun, and so should follow this same rule. Has been moved forward by two hours can probably pretty safely be taken together as predicate: but we can break it down. "has been" is used here to form the present perfect voice, which denotes sometime is or was ongoing. In this context it implies the movement did not happen all at one, but over a period of time. The past tense "moved" tells us the movement has sinse stopped. In this case, forward is an adverb, it modifies the movement. By is also ad adverb which modifies forward. Two is an adjective which modifies hours. Hours is a noun, and therfore either a subject or an object, but the use of the word by tells us hours is an object. So, theoretically you should be able to organize this sentence differently to make what is supposed to be subject and what is meant to be object more clear. Let's try The meeting (subject), has been moved forward by two hours from Wednesday's noon. Wednesday's noon(subject) has been moved forward by two hours realitive to the meeting. In case hours being an object has unclear, let's try to make it the subject. Two hours has been moved forward for Wednesday's noon meeting. I agree, that last one is absolute nonsense, but I couldn't think of a better way to phrase it. I originally thought of noon as an adjective in this context, describing the meeting. Noon isn't an adjective, but it still makes sense to use it as one. If noon is an adjective then the meeting is clearly the subject, and the final time is 2PM as the meeting moved in time. I hope this explains why 2PM for anyone who doesn't see it. I really would love a better explanation the other way.

@sallyhulbert2008

3 жыл бұрын

I say it’s to pm but I’m looking forward to Christmas

@TheKaylaPup

3 жыл бұрын

@Joshua Barbanel Yeah, this was pointed out to me irl a bit ago. And I now see why people see 10am. But that's not the explanation given in the video. I've learned that the problem here is forward. When you are looking forward in time you mean the future, and when looking back you mean the past. Yet, when a meeting is moved back it means it will be further in the future. In english, we don't usually use forward to denote a meeting moving, so we don't have a collective agreement about what that means. We move meetings back, up, or to a specific time. I'm actually pretty sure up and back are both meant to refer more to a meeting moving through a planner or intenerary, as opposed to literally moving in time, but of course if it moves in the schedule in moves in real life. And I see how saying moving forward in a schedule should mean earlier. However, everything else in which forward is associated with time refers to th future. Which seems to be where the real confusion is coming from.

@1stHalf

2 жыл бұрын

It's because 2pm is actually more objective than 10am. Timeline being static but also the reference point, not affected by where a human is. So forward will always be the same direction >>>. Being subjective is wrong when it comes to things like timelines. Being objective in life is the right way to live life. No bias, just reality.

@serenakantor9601

2 жыл бұрын

i think he’s right that it has something to do with how we perceive the said event , if it’s something we are going to do or something that is going to “happen” to us

This just blew my mind 😂 I had to pause a few times and mentally process this video! Me and my wife about to have a good convo today 😂

also, I weirdly can understand both perspectives of perception of time even though I have an ego-moving perspective of time

@TertiaryQuota

3 жыл бұрын

Same even tho it took me a while to understand

@BirdsAndWhales

Жыл бұрын

same! I think day to day life feels ego-moving to me but things such as seasons and holidays feel time-moving

My English textbook defined “move forward” as “move to an earlier time.” I guess the writers had time-moving perspectives. 🤷🏻‍♀️

I'm not a native English speaker, so it took me quite a while to understand the problem here. In my language, when you talk about moving an event, the word you use to describe it specifies whether the event will occur later or earlier. That doesn't leave much space for subjectivity, so when you talked about "forward" I automatically thought "forward is +, so +2 hours". Because time is less subjective in my language, I thought about "forward" as either + or - time, instead of as moving in correlation to something else (which is a more subjective type of progression). I hope that makes sense🤔 Edit: now that I think about it, you'll actually need to give *more* information about the situation in Hebrew to make time subjective, which is pretty weird. Giving more info will let you use more subjective words that give the same perspective as "forward".

@aliaseau-vive2699

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah I kind of had the same issue. In French we often says pushing the event by x hours. So instead of flowing time or ego-perception it is more like event perception

@steveh3571

3 жыл бұрын

English isn't overly subjective, It's just that a lot of native English speakers do not know the meaning of most of the words they speak. So you get videos like this. But I love asap science but this video could have been solved with a dictionary.

@KirkWaiblinger

3 жыл бұрын

Ours specifies earlier or later as well... Forward before Backward after (aft=back) I regard the opposite interpretation as a widespread misunderstanding of our language.

@1stHalf

2 жыл бұрын

I don't get why people don't understand this is about being objective and subjective. The timeline will exist without humans and will always be left is back, right is forward on this linear line that will not change. Just because you add an object into the timeline, doesn't mean that linear line changes direction, it's still moving forward. It's literally how an object moves based on the timeline, which the question is about time so you need to base it off of the timeline rules aka is linear and moves in one direction, which is forward. If you are changing the date of an event, the timeline would say hey, if you want to move forward, turn right, if you want to move backwards, turn left. If you chose left, the timeline would say that's the backwards direction, don't give the event(meeting) any faces so it's not facing anywhere. It's only because people are moving their body parts that would feel like it's forward but did you go forward in time? No, you went back in time but you are confused because of the direction you were facing. It's like you know you want to go the past, but you're saying youre running forward towards the past, but your direction doesn't speak the truth of the reality, which is you went backwards on the timeline. That's how the timeline would see it. Basically following the rules of the globe North East South West, those are the objective directions. It's like running on a treadmill facing the back of the plane, you feel like you're running forward, which you are, in reference to your body and not the globe, but you're not actually going forward. The plane is going forward and you are running backward in correlation to where you are actually moving. A - B. Just because you face a certain way, doesn't mean that'll be the direction you went. That's how you be objective, removing the person from the equation.

@1stHalf

2 жыл бұрын

@@steveh3571 origin from old english is to move forward into the future.

LOL i love Greg and mitch and their way of teaching science.. Great job!!!

When I finished watching this video and checked the clock in my living room the hands were at 10 and 2. 10:10am.

@ItsJustJara

3 жыл бұрын

It's a sign

Mr incredible: WEDNESDAY IS WEDNESDAY!!!

@pushbaner5219

3 жыл бұрын

The worst day of the week

@SWLinPHX

3 жыл бұрын

@@pushbaner5219 LOL, I kind of hate Wednesday too. Not sure why so much. It's just too "fat" and right in the middle. I like Thursday because I feel we crossed a hurdle somehow.

Shout out to all the people asking "what time was the meeting?"

@AmberAmber

3 жыл бұрын

TY!!! I didn't understand at ALL what that even meant.😅

@semaj_5022

3 жыл бұрын

Never

@TheChickenRiceBowl

3 жыл бұрын

Aka all the people that failed algebra.

@PaleGhost69

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheChickenRiceBowl or those that don't like vague language

@rharini1514

3 жыл бұрын

@Patrick Hudson lol

Oh, wow! I actually love the past in front and future in the back way of thinking. I mean, you can see your past because it already happened. It is something concrete in your mind, so to speak. The future is something you cannot see, like what would happen with something that is in your back. You haven't lived it yet, you don't know what it looks like. It is a very fascinating way of thinking. Thank you for this!

It's so simple. The meeting, which is the object, was moved forward 2 hours from noon. 10h00 -> 12h00 (meeting before) -> 14h00 (meeting now) Object was placed forward from original time.

I see how “move Forward” can be perceived as the meeting moving ahead in time Or moving earlier in the day. I think of “forward in time” and any time after the one you’re speaking about.

@tiffanyt.3307

3 жыл бұрын

Yep :p

@Tatsebmaki

3 жыл бұрын

Interesting. I think earlier (10am) because moving it forward means moving closer to the front, which is the beginning of the day.

@chadamonkey5641

3 жыл бұрын

The specific language of the statement is key here: "moved up" could mean moved ahead in time (2pm) or moved ahead on the schedule (10am). To me it's just ambiguous phrasing, not "different perceptions of time".

@nataniatracy5042

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for this comment! I've just been sitting here dumbfounded as to how it could be seen the other way. Thank you for having the smarts that I don't haha

@lavendertears1814

3 жыл бұрын

@@Tatsebmaki Forward is defined as the direction that one is facing of travelling; towards the front. It would make more sense for time to go forward in a clockwise manner since in our concept of time, time is forward-facing clockwise; it is odd to assume that time will turn anticlockwise to forward-face you instead.

“Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.” ― Marcus Aurelius

@Userr0557

3 жыл бұрын

Books In Review Which is why in science, supported claims are “Theories”

@SerenityM54L2SAM5L5N1

3 жыл бұрын

That logic could be used to defend a lot of strange arguments, conspiracy theories, religion, and superstition. Risky way of thinking.

@Bards.98

3 жыл бұрын

And this way of thinking is causing a mess in the world right now.

@mrslcom

3 жыл бұрын

@@__-rb9st. Observations are relative, depending on your point of view.

@tirompoilrene

3 жыл бұрын

"We were just having fun, not knowing we were making memories." - Winnie the Pooh

It may also depend on the languages people speak in relation to English. In Spanish, the verb "adelantar" refers to moving an event closer to the present, while the verb "atrasar" means moving an event further to the future. "Adelantar" comes from the adjective "adelante" meaning forward or in front. "Atrasar" comes from the adjective "atrás", meaning behind or in the back. When I read the question, having Spanish as my daily language, I thought about 10 AM due to the logistics of Spanish and how I learned English. This might be different in other languages though.

@cameronwarmerdam4251

3 жыл бұрын

I automatically though 10 too but didnt even think about how spanish is interwoven with English in my brain. My sister who also speaks Spanish said 2, but she doesn't speak it as much as me, so that could be a factor

As a Taiwanese Mandarin(Chinese) Speaker & language instructor, I can confirm that this is true! In English, changing how to spell the words because of time is totally normal. But in Mandarin, literally what we do is added time to it, not even changing the verb at all. Instead of "I ate yesterday. We are eating now.", In Mandarin it's literally "I eat yesterday. We eat now."

When I think about this question in English I think it’s 10am, when I think about this question in Chinese it’s 2pm ...

@juicearth999

3 жыл бұрын

How is it 10, it’s going forward not backword

@A.H._

3 жыл бұрын

When I think about it in English, it's like "totally 2pm, duh", but when I translate it to Spanish I'm like "wait, what, no, it's 10am". So like.. I feel you

@msndrstdmstrmnd

3 жыл бұрын

When I think about it in English I think it’s 2 pm, when I think about it in korean it’s 10am...

@SleepyMamaBear-

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah in dutch i feel like 10am but in english 2pm

@alexanderb4818

3 жыл бұрын

@@juicearth999 it is ten because it is going forward.

If it was phrased as “the meeting has moved UP two hours”, I would think it was earlier. But saying it “moved FORWARD”, I think of it as moved forward in time and is therefore later.

@colingraham1585

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, exactly! When I say the meeting is moved “back” I would say that it was moved later in time. E.g, we didn’t have the meeting today; so we moved it back to tomorrow. Very helpful comment.

@parabolaaaaa4919

3 жыл бұрын

Colin Graham for me that means it was once tomorrow

@SamuraiPipotchi

3 жыл бұрын

If someone told me a meeting had been moved UP, I'd need them to clarify. You can't move up through the time dimension. You can only move forwards or backwards through time as the way we percieve time only accounts for one dimension. Saying the meeting has moved up is like saying it's been moved to an alternate timeline in my mind.

@_unknownymous_

3 жыл бұрын

@@SamuraiPipotchi it's like in a classroom. u move up to the front or move back. it's usually understood. nobody thinks u're actually movin to a higher plane

@rowanbrearley4483

3 жыл бұрын

To move something forward means it happens at an earlier point. Hence 10am is the only correct answer - not a perception or opinion - it’s fact. I’m quite baffled that this isn’t common knowledge tbh

this is so interesting!!! I'd never thought about this before! I'd never even thought to think about this! mind = blown (I only know English) I think of days and holidays and times as set things. When event times change, they move either closer or further from Sunday/Monday Day/Night January/December, not me personally. And because the things are set in stone in their respective blocks and zones, I move through them. It's really interesting to now know that other people imagine things as being set up around them and coming closer. Therefore moving "forward" is relative to them, ie it's getting closer. I saw another comment on "what if it said the meeting had been moved back two hours?" and I would then assume it was at 10. Others said it then must be at 2, because it was moved further away from them. Thank you AsapScience! This is so astronomically amazing and eye opening.

I'm going to propose a different theory here which is about how cultures interpret time spatially. The ones with 10am may view time as a queue of tasks, with earlier time associated with being at the front. Meanwhile, the ones with 2pm may view time as a street/journey, with later time associated with front side.

imagine people showing up at the meeting at 10am. the people who thought the meeting was at 2pm will be sooooooooooooooooooo confused

@owenlewthwaite5644

3 жыл бұрын

Wrong the people at 10:00 would be way to early

@DarkPillWarrior

3 жыл бұрын

@@owenlewthwaite5644 It depends on how they mean moved ahead 2 hours. Ahead could mean 2 hours earlier or 2 hours later. Usually I would think it would be 2 hours later but I know that it can mean 2 hours earlier. If it was moved 2 hours ahead of schedule then it would be 2 hours earlier and if it was moved 2 hours behind schedule it would be 2 hours later. :/

@xyelashe

3 жыл бұрын

@@DarkPillWarrior but they did not use the word "ahead" they said "forward" and in the context of time you would have to add 2hrs

@AceChampElite

3 жыл бұрын

Me showing up at noon because I wasn’t cc’d

@gingerinajacket8519

3 жыл бұрын

It might help to show an action happening to the time to disambiguate. "Pushed back" would mean that the meeting is further away, right? "Pulled Forward", while a bit clunky, shows that it is now closer, no? "Move" is a terrible word that can be used anywhere. I move my fingers to type, They move their mouth to speak. I move upwards and then back down again. "Move" has no restrictions on what that motion is about. So to move a meeting, it can go either way.

Plot twist: whoever set that meeting didn't want to come

@samannwaysil4412

3 жыл бұрын

😁😂🤣🤣😂🤣🤣

The whacky thing is that both answers are correct - and it becomes more evident when you use the example of holidays. Holidays both comes to us as we go towards them. Time is always simultaneously moving forward as much as it is fading backward. The past and present and future is likely all happening all at the same time because 1 second ago was the past, 1 second forward is the future, and the mili/microsecond that you're experiencing right now is the present. When time is so abstract, it's hard to not see it as an illusion of the mind, especially in science where sometimes our brains have been seen in certain case studies to perceive an incident milliseconds before the incident actually happens in real life time. Our brain processes time on a different level physically and mentally than something as concrete as a number or pattern of numbers that we know as time. That being said, I was 2pm and at first I had no idea how the f**k they got 10am. Like I didn't understand I was like "but they said the meeting was at noon, not at 8am, so why would it be 10am and not 2pm" and then it hit me like a bag of bolts when I saw the image diagram on the tiktok that he made. So both answers being correct aside, I was very much slow in understanding how they both could be correct lmao.

I love how you explain things.

if it was “brought forward” 2 hours, i’d say 10am, and “pushed back” 2 hours, i’d say 2pm

@davidmccolgan6972

3 жыл бұрын

Yes!! Exactly!! I don’t think people in my circle (NE Scotland) would say ‘moved’ forward or back. We’d say ‘brought forward’ or ‘pushed back’, which is unambiguous here. When he said ‘moved forward’ I heard ‘brought forward’ so obviously thought 10am.

@HemantSharma-xp4ey

3 жыл бұрын

It's not brought forward, it's "moved forward" so it was at 12 noon and it has been MOVED FORWARD so it's at 2 pm now. And simply, pushed back means it has been pushed in the past so it's at 10 am now

@davidmccolgan6972

3 жыл бұрын

thanks@@HemantSharma-xp4ey , but we did listen to the original video and heard the words the men spoke. What we're saying is that in our cultures no one would use the phrase "moved forward" because it can be interpreted two ways. And anyone I speak to about meeting times in my culture would understand "pushed back" to mean "pushed away from us" therefore making it later in the day: so I don't think it's as simple as you suppose.

@yuxisushiii

3 жыл бұрын

WAIT at first I was a 2pm person but then after reading this I DON'T KNOW ANYMORE

@briandewolfe

3 жыл бұрын

If someone told you to change your clocks by saying "move/turn your clock forward 1 hour" you'd be setting it to a later time. 1am --> 2am. "Spring *forward*, fall back"

Personally, I’m team 2pm, but if the senario were to be stated as “moved up 2 hours” it would definitely be at 10am.

@George-ps5

3 жыл бұрын

People say moved up? Like ever?

@Sohcahtoa82

3 жыл бұрын

​@@George-ps5 Yes. Though it's usually phrased differently, as in "Can we move this meeting up to 10 AM?" rather than "Can we move the meeting up two hours?"

@cherryblossomshadow3

3 жыл бұрын

My exact thoughts! Or even "push the meeting up" makes me think of it being earlier, whereas the "move the meeting forward" made me think later. Wild!

@hoodiedoot

3 жыл бұрын

No moved down

@Lean-zj1nl

3 жыл бұрын

But, it says Wednesday noon.

I find myself flip flopping between the two perspectives, which when framed as dread vs excitement makes sense. This will help me going forward. No pun intended.

Fascinating. How many 10amers here? Logically since time does not wait for anyone and passes anyways, when a set time is moved "forward", it means it's been moved forward, aka closer, to our current time. So time can care less about our egos regardless of how we try to perceive it or not. So if the meeting has been moved forward 2 hours from noon, it's been moved to 10am!

The meeting’s at 10am for me. To me moving something “forward” means it’s happening sooner, it’s been brought closer to me. For me to think that the meeting is at 2pm, it would have been “delayed” two hours. I’m also one of the people that thinks the holidays are “coming”.

@plpGTR

3 жыл бұрын

I'm a 2pm person, but I 100% agree on your argument. It is also a thing on what your parents used and your friends use. Are you an english speaking person? Because in germany we rather use the equivalent to "earlier" (and "later") insted of "forward". "Forward" might be further in the future or earlier in time. Exactly what they explain, you are moving forward to reach year 2021, so moving a meeting "forward" could mean further away (= 2pm people)

@manair.1719

3 жыл бұрын

thank you! I am not native to English and had a hard time to understand the whole concept! thx

@hannibalhector3719

3 жыл бұрын

Dude, I could not comprehend how someone could think it is 10AM. Thank you for breaking it down.

@EowynG191

3 жыл бұрын

Fascinating. Thank you for explaining your thoughts! ♡ I'm a 2pm person and have such a hard time understanding using forward to mean earlier, although you explained it so simply. I think I'd compare my thinking to using the forward button while watching a movie. Pressing that button moves us ahead, that is, to a later time or scene. I literally picture a movable me on an unchangeable time line. From what I understand, you picture it coming forward - that is, toward you? So you are still and things in time come forward that way?

@jaysontyh5869

3 жыл бұрын

I am nit a native English speaker, and I thought the term '' move forward '' means the meeting will be held earlier so I am a 10am person, cause now I am waiting for my '' entry to university''(an event) to come, instead of me going to the university

I thought “If the meeting gets pushed back 2 hours, then it would be 2PM.”....so then if it’s moved forward, then it would be 10AM.

@marksilla8276

3 жыл бұрын

How? Moving clockwise is forward and moving anti clockwise is backwards.

@protectomegax2674

3 жыл бұрын

Actually, for the first time I was reading it, I thought it's gonna be 2am 😅

@chapterrv

3 жыл бұрын

@@marksilla8276 I thought this, too. But see other argument: if an even it's pushed forward, it means it's earlier in the day. Pushing back is means further away or later. I understand it , but it's not as natural me because I'm visual. Forward to me means later because that's how clocks work. Backwards to me means sooner.

@ashleycrystal9719

3 жыл бұрын

Move forward from the time it was supposed to have originally been which is 2pm.

@violethaye6987

3 жыл бұрын

I see it as, we count up right? Otherwise forward. So let's say a meeting today is at 3 pm. 2 hours forward is 3 + 2 which = 5 (pm). 2 hours backwards would be 3 - 2 which = 1(pm).

Wednesday's noon meeting has been moved "forward" by 2 hours: both you and time are facing each other at noon: you face toward 2pm and time is facing toward 10am 10am: you stay still (don't move), the time (noon) is moved through you to morning. Time is essentially moving backward. 2pm: the time is still (time cannot move back), so you have to move 2 hours from noon.

Very interesting! Ipaused the video at the beginning to think about this question. At first I thought it meant the meeting was no 10:00am since to push back a meeting usually means it's later, but then I thought it must actually mean that it will take place 2 hours forward in time. I spent 5 minutes trying to reconcile the two but realized I couldn't. More context was needed. Then I watched the rest of the video and realized why.

I would interpret "moved forward 2 hours" and "moved back 2 hours" to both mean the meeting is at 2pm. If the meeting is at 10am, I would say it's moved up 2 hours

@massimookissed1023

3 жыл бұрын

Right ... So forward and back are now both the same direction ?!

@marcy2k1

3 жыл бұрын

I think I agree with this. When I imagine "up" I think of a rising or ascension whereas "forward" is moving towards the future. I'd imagine the highest ascension being morning and the opposite of this to be night so moving up is ascending closer to morning.

@penguinlim

2 жыл бұрын

same! Don't know why forward and back somehow are the same, but they are to me in this context

@Sabertooth2121

2 жыл бұрын

yes yes and yes 100% agree

@BackcountryForward

2 жыл бұрын

Same “forward” and “back” mean 2pm. But if someone said “moved ahead 2 hrs” I would now think 10am. This is crazy and I wonder if it’s different for the time-movers.

'Moved forward' could either mean that the event has been moved forwards in time (the way I interpreted it) or that it’s been moved forwards to the front of the que before others. It's nothing to do with your entire perception of time, it's just vaguely worded.

@aaronphillips402

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you

@lostinthesauce4941

3 жыл бұрын

only the cultured understand

I wasn't sure what I thought until I reframed the questiont and thought of it as moving "up" as opposed to "forward. " When it's put that way I definitely think time is flowing towards/through me.

I am a 10 a.m. and I do feel static at times. I’m up early hours in advance just to be somewhere early meaning on time. Never excited to get to a holiday, they come eventually. I flow through my day and I pre think events as alternate timelines to control the narrative. I’m also a Gemini so I breeze through as an air sign, slow, fast, calm, and rough.

I perceive Time in the only correct way: Spirographs.

@johnwisdomtv

3 жыл бұрын

woke is woken

@besma2627

3 жыл бұрын

an intellectual

@auroraofclanborealis

3 жыл бұрын

No, it's like a KZread timeline bar, you just decide when to be.

@mxxxn

3 жыл бұрын

my brain is mush

Take the antithesis. Does anyone think that a meeting “moved back” makes the meeting at 10am?

@loreta8249

3 жыл бұрын

Obviously yes

@MaddyMayMay

3 жыл бұрын

Nope

@CC-kj4yc

3 жыл бұрын

@@MaddyMayMay yes

@basintheworld4613

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, obviously!

@OliviaAndreoli

3 жыл бұрын

Of course not, though I’d usually say “pushed back” because that way the meaning is more clear (think physically pushing the meeting farther from you in time).

I can see how it can be 10 AM and 2 PM but I think the most logical answer would be 12 PM because the meeting "HAS BEEN moved forward" which means it happened in the past which means it's now at noon and used to be at 10 AM

I would definitely say 10am in Korean which is my first language, but I think I’d say 2pm in English 🤔 Also what’s interesting is that the word “forward” in Korean is used for the past (the word corresponding to ‘ago’ has the meaning of ‘forward’, and the word for ‘fast forward’ is directly translated as ‘wind back’) but I don’t think we’re like the Aymara people. We often gesture to the back for the past, a lot of people mix up forward and backward, etc. This is just what I think, but it might be because the Korean word for forward and backward isn’t necessarily possessed with only that meaning..? When it comes to expressing time, I think we use the word as in ‘former’ and ‘latter’... but I’m not a linguist so... don’t trust me or whatever... Now that I think of it the word for ‘from now on’ also has ‘forward’ in it... learning this must be a nightmare

The ambivalence lies in the term "forward" This is what throws people off

@YT7mc

3 жыл бұрын

I actually think the word "push" is what messes people up. Pushing something almost always means _away_ . So to push it forwards should mean to have the meeting later, seeing as how pushing it forwards would mean _away_ from the current time it is set to. Rather than arguing about either the person or time as being the thing we base relativity off of, it should be the meeting.

@realnoahsimpson

3 жыл бұрын

I think you mean "ambiguous" ambivalent means something very different

There’s a fascinating study on this and related questions like this called “The Experiential Basis of Meaning”. Anyone interested in fictive motion, or even skeptical that it may just be a linguistic problem should give it a read!

@TheBrothers759

3 жыл бұрын

You can't even find this journal by searching its title exactly, and just because someone did a study on it doesn't mean it can't be a mostly linguistic trick. People did scientific journals about cigarettes being good for you. Doesn't mean anything.

@stacyescobedo1642

3 жыл бұрын

Actually, i searched it and it popped up first result. Its from the proceedings of the annual meeting of the cognitive science society

@lukesumberg9182

3 жыл бұрын

Eric Alvarez I didn’t say it was a linguistic trick. I said that if you think it may be a linguistic trick you should read it, because it claims otherwise.

@jayders1

3 жыл бұрын

Whoever is reading this I hope you have a great rest of your day and keep growing as a person!! :)

both actually make sense to me, sometimes one makes more sense but i rethink it and the other also makes sense

I answered 2pm because I thought about viewing time in terms of looking at a clock (moving the hands “forward”) . If I take the clock out of the equation, I can see how it would be 10am because 10am happens (is experienced) BEFORE noon.

2pm. For me, it just seems logical to assume that by saying the meeting was “moved forward”, the implication is that the meeting was moved toward the future as we (English speakers) see time moving in one direction: from past to future. Therefore, saying the meeting was moved forward means that the meeting was moved forward in time. If the saying was rather “the meeting was moved forward towards you”, the implied time would objectively be 10am.

@xtheawkwardpotatox9213

3 жыл бұрын

Finally a comment that helps me understand the 10am side of things.

@alexanderb4818

3 жыл бұрын

...but if a meeting was pushed back 2 hours, you'd say that it is at 2 PM, and by using the logic that forward is the opposite of backward, the meeting time must go the opposite way in time as if it is being pushed back, so you can reason that it is at 10.

@ethanqian8492

3 жыл бұрын

​@@alexanderb4818 front is the opposite of back, no one says the meeting was moved "backwards." They also said moved and not pushed . Little things like this make all the difference.

Me as I'm watching: "2pm...what a silly question...oh!" Then I asked my husband and he looked at me like I had lost my mind but answered, and said "ten." 🤯

@yumnarashid1519

3 жыл бұрын

Hey... I invite you to my KZread channel 😊 I hope you like it.

So I say 2pm, but I also think that time is moving around us as in the holidays are coming up. We can't change how fast a year is, they just gradually feel shorter as we live through more and more of them.

I would say the correct English phrasing is: The noon meeting has been moved forward to 10am/2pm. Even that is not quite correct grammar unless the meeting is in an implied series of events. If you still want to give the change in hours: The noon meeting has been moved up 2 hours (10am). The noon meeting has been delayed 2 hours (2pm). There's other options and nuances, but my basic point is that this confusion is caused by poor grammar. I do think it's a cool way to figure out how people perceive time.

Here’s my problem: when I hear “wednesdays noon meeting has been pushed forward two hours”, I think 2 pm. But when I hear “wednesdays meeting has been pushed BACK two hours” I also think it’s at 2 pm. I think the reason why I think this way, is because both ways of phrasing this kind of thing are used, but in almost every context most meetings are delayed rather than expedited. Since both perspectives are relative neither is correct, so rather than have to rely on context cues, people should use the words after/before because then it fixes the perspective to be in terms of the event (ie ego moving perspective). For example, no one will confuse the phrase “wednesdays noon meeting is taking place 2 hours after its previously scheduled time”.

@barackobama3330

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah who the hell would want to make a meeting SOONER and only 2 hours sooner?? Huh.

@isabelmatteo7095

3 жыл бұрын

That actually makes a lot more sense

im on the ego moving perspective, but it may be because the word for "forward" in my mother language spanish is "adelantar/avanzar" which all have to do with going ahead, further. and we think of the future as something that is in front of us. so I've always associated "forward" with the future.

@MandalaAtnite

3 жыл бұрын

Same here ! I'm French and "forward" would be translated as "avancer", in this case. Therefore, I don't understand how "forward" can mean going backwards. Mind blowing topic !

@jandeman.

3 жыл бұрын

Yep me too! I'm Dutch, same thing

@PabloPerroPerro

3 жыл бұрын

No? Si a mí me dicen que se ha adelantado, sin duda sería dos horas antes, a las 10am!

@widmawod

3 жыл бұрын

I'm Italian and I asked all my family about this and they all turned out to have the ego moving perspective, but also the words avanti, antes and avant used to mean or still mean before... so I guess there are other linguistic factors that influence our perspective of time.

@widmawod

3 жыл бұрын

I'm so glad that science channels on youtube are finally talking about linguistics more and more because it IS science.

It actually makes quite a bit of logical sense the way the indigenous people of Aymara think of the future as behind them and the past as in front of them. Think about it like this for a moment: the future is completely unknown. All we can "see" in terms of memory or reliable visualization is the past, and any future that is "100% known" _is_ in a sense, past. Our eyes point forward, we only see what's in front of us, and if we ignore the idea of "moving through time" for a moment, and consider the fact that we can only see the past, not the future, it then actually makes more sense for the past to be in front of us and the future to be behind us. In the industrial-obsessed west we're very highly concerned with time though, so it makes sense that our perception of time & motion through time would take that sort of cognitive precedent.

I've made a way to count time emwhen you use, example: 21:00, 13:00, 23:00 Just reduce the number by 13 21:00 - 12:00 = 09:00 13:00 - 12:00 = 01:00 23:00 -12:00 = 11:00