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@tgeep87

Жыл бұрын

Not even he created a battery powered truck it can never outrun a diesel truck you’re going to see the electrical system burning in a down grade as in Virginia Kentucky strawberry peak Colorado mountains this is going to be hilarious prove me wrong it’s an untested in a mountain setting so spare me the verbal hype that you’ve never driven a 24 1813 10 spare your retorted comparison

@williamscoggin1509

Жыл бұрын

@@tgeep87 the Tesla semi is designed to cover all of the local regional routes, not cross country over the road. Seems sad that this is the only feature that you can brag on as far as the Mac is that it has a big sleeper and can operate over the road which is not the realm of Tesla semi as of yet. You don't talk about any of the expense of the Mac the entire the video. Fuel oil truck cost when bought brakes transmission repair engine repairs and on and on

@animalloverjulian8243

Жыл бұрын

He Tesla semi originally had 4 model 3 motors, now they’re achieving the same specs with only 3 motors. This means a more powerful motor, I think the semi now uses the plaid motors from the model S/X. We’re looking at up to a 1000+ hp power train.

@matslanden4388

Жыл бұрын

Elon Musk, - even nuttier than Howard Hughes.

@southshore8911

Жыл бұрын

It's going to be short lived soon as these trucks are exposed to the below zero temperatures of the great mountains of Wyoming route 80 Musk trucks will be all broken down in below zero temperatures on mountain tops of the West

Worrying about a truck's acceleration is like worrying about a supercar's luggage space.

@phazekiller5701

Жыл бұрын

lol, the true worry is actually how unstable semis are already, they are all prone to tipping and rolling, I'm also curious if tesla is developing tires rated for all that excess weight and speed they're boasting. Those tires are not meant for highspeeds and if they do go fast they're not meant to be for too long. I'm just imagining someone trying to do a 100 towing 80,000 pounds at this point...

@rocknh68

Жыл бұрын

@@phazekiller5701 18 wheeler tires are speed and weight rated. They can be ran at loaded at 100mph and not blow.

@phazekiller5701

Жыл бұрын

@@rocknh68 I'm sure they didn't set those 75 mph caps for a reason either, and why the trucks are now governed at 60-65. However speed has never been the issue with a semi, it's the control and stopping seeing as you already need 450 feet to stop just doing 50 mph, maybe these truck like tesla cars have figured out how to stop an 80,000 lbs semi on a dime and we haven't been told about it yet. I doubt it but hey one can only hope.

@rocknh68

Жыл бұрын

@@phazekiller5701 looks like you're already over educated on the subject so I'll just stand corrected.

@Blueknight1960

Жыл бұрын

@@phazekiller5701 Unstable? Have you ever ridden in an 18 wheeler? They are pretty damn stable. But like any vehicle going around a curve too fast, they can roll over. Tesla's claim of 82,000 lbs is bogus, at 82,000 lbs, the tesla and any 18 wheeler will be over the legal weight by 2000 lbs. The Mack will also pull a lot more than the 80,000 lbs legal weight limit with a permit but the tesla will also need a permit to go over 80,000lbs. As far as the tires, unless it's a racing tire, any tire will fail with high speeds and distance. Since the speed limit is at most 75 mph in some of the western states, 70 mph in others and 65 and below in others, high speed isn't really an issue is it? Plus except for a few owner/operators, most trucks (company trucks) are governed at between 65-68 mph. An 18 wheeler could run all day loaded at 75-80 mph without worrying about a tire failure as long as they are not retreads. Those pieces of truck tires you see on the side and on the road are from retreads. The speed limit on roads aren't set because of trucks, it's suppose to be a safety thing concerning ALL vehicles. The trucks being governed at 65-68 mph is more of a fuel saving thing than safety, although truck drivers of today are poorly trained and aren't smart enough to figure things out on their own. The things truck drivers are getting away with today would not have been tolerated when I was driving over the road.

I always thought that range and maximum load are the most important things for a truck.

@myria2834

Жыл бұрын

It is among the most important. The other important metric I'd want to know is the real refueling cost. Sure the electricity is cheaper than fuel right now, but you also have to account for the miles lost every day from sitting at a recharge station. You get paid for the distance you can move the product, if it takes longer to make delivery, you are less competitive.

@davidharraden6223

Жыл бұрын

@@myria2834 that was my question as well if you assume 200mile max before refuel the mac will be back on the road in under 20mins i would assume

@manoharmeka999

Жыл бұрын

Head to head collision...electric truck debris will be delivered to Musk.

@bodhisfattva7462

Жыл бұрын

operational cost is the most important. Very few semis run with a full load anyhow. It isnt like some evil game of jenga loading a truck to the max for every load...and range is really only important for long haul applications and this semi is not really designed for long haul as there is no sleeper...this is a day cab so 350+ mile range should get the job done in 99% of uses. Now if the semi is say over 12,000 pounds heavier than an ICE semi...now you are severely cutting into load...

@Gazzxy

Жыл бұрын

yes and the tesla truck has less of both

I really hope that these new trucks, from whatever manufacturer, have greatly improved blind spot coverage and indicators. There are way too many dash cam videos out there showing large trucks changing lanes and taking out other vehicles.

@VB-zx1yk

Жыл бұрын

Oh u already know there's going to be cameras and sensors everywhere on that thing lol just look at their cars

@Arturo-lapaz

9 ай бұрын

​@@VB-zx1ykcorrect, but you have got to learn and translate the images into the correct action.

Seems weird we never talked about how far the Mack truck can travel on a full tank. Looking at some basic numbers online i found many are able to easily cross the 1000mile mark with fuel to spare. So yeah the tesla beats it in a short range test hands down but we never looked at how it does in long hauls. And with a range of 300-500miles i don’t think that it makes much sense to have a bed cabin in the first place since you will have to stop to recharge. Also with the concerns of EV car batteries catching fire and being several times harder to put out than a gas car i can’t help but feel scared for the day one of these gets into an accident. It does have much more safety but it doesn’t mean something wont happen. The thing that concerns me is Tesla’s secrecy with a lot of the details. Then again i guess we will see how it works when its fully released and had some time on the road Fingers crossed

@charlolel

Жыл бұрын

What surprises me is that you think someone would do 1000 miles without ever stopping. Tesla Semi truck drivers can charge when they to stop to eat or go to the bathroom unlike regular diesel truck which requires the driver to be standing monitoring the refueling process..

@tobyw9573

Жыл бұрын

Tesla can carry 80,000 pounds of batteries in the trailer, surely someone will be able to hook them up.

@nevkirkham7657

Жыл бұрын

@@charlolel does not charge fast enough for long haul.

@theatremusician

Жыл бұрын

@@nevkirkham7657 Yes it does. Truckers are REQUIRED (in the USA) to take a one hour break in the course of a 14 hour work day. That is more than enough time to charge to 80%.

@texasbigwhitedog6683

Жыл бұрын

@@theatremusician Not if they are team trucks, the Tesla can't handle coast to coast as most companies and dispatchers expect. And there are thousands of truck stop nationwide with diesel, how many have charging stations for a full electric? This is where I think at this point Pete has the best idea with a hybrid truck. can cover the milles and the electric can assist when and where needed. Also many comments on rates of acceleration, although not that significant an item, the ability to climb steep grades with electric assist would be very helpful.

The last thing a truck driver thinks about in his truck is how quickly it accelerates so the load in the back falls everywhere.

@TheTruckerKidd

Жыл бұрын

RIGHT especially tankers

@ryannguyen7466

Жыл бұрын

Trucker can now bully those "fast car" aka those Mustang kids who think it cool try to break check a giant Truck for insurance fraud.

@L1berty1776

Жыл бұрын

@@ryannguyen7466 i simply slow down cause i know that they wont ever slow down that much. I dont care for assholes that cut me off and speed off but if u brake i will ram u and show the cops the camera that u stopped

@EVMANVSGAS

Жыл бұрын

You care about driving up a hill though right? You need the power to climb a hill and actually not slow down.

@davidkosiba624

Жыл бұрын

Really depends what you carry , and it should be the companies responsibility to stabilise the load not the truck making companies lol

The Tesla Semi sounds good, but real world test data will be required especially when hauling heavy loads as no doubt this will affect the range. Things like charge time, charge locations on routes, durability, quality and battery replacement cost will all be factors to consider.

@llewellynjameskinnaird2741

Жыл бұрын

True. Also pulling loads wears any vehicle down over time. Would like to see how tesla truck longevity is.

@bodhisfattva7462

Жыл бұрын

@@llewellynjameskinnaird2741 overall maintenance is vastly cheaper on electric motor vehicles. This will be one of the major selling points for the semi once charging stations are on any long haul paths. I am sure insurance will also be vastly cheaper to operate these as well due to a near impossibility of run away conditions and less of jackknife risk.

@CN.23

Жыл бұрын

If something goes wrong with the battery it will no doubt cost an arm and leg to replace. The battery will obviously be larger than the standard Tesla battery and those supposdly cost 12k -14k to replace if done through the company or dealership.

@printgymnast368

Жыл бұрын

@@llewellynjameskinnaird2741 probably garbage considering their cars have a history of bad quality parts and excessive breakage

@printgymnast368

Жыл бұрын

@@CN.23 yeah the battery will probably cost 30k to replace with labor including and they'll have to change it every couple years if they want to keep the range

I think the main feature is the money you can earn during the week, than the money you'll spend. It's not about fuel economy, but also about the time for rechardging the battery.

@johan.ohgren

Жыл бұрын

@@karlwithak1835 not true. A truck will usually pass to another driver while the first one is off. A truck will often work two or three shifts under different drivers.

@MegamanTheSecond

Жыл бұрын

@@karlwithak1835 spoken like a true Tesla Stan real world application is meaningless SEXY 0-60 times only matter

@tfyoutalmbout

Жыл бұрын

@@johan.ohgren that's not how it works.

@johan.ohgren

Жыл бұрын

@@tfyoutalmbout yes, it is. One truck, one driver is the exception to the rule.

@tfyoutalmbout

Жыл бұрын

@@johan.ohgren in what country are OTR drivers sharing trucks? Certainly not the USA. This video is about OTR, not local drivers.

I use to work at a place where semis would drop off construction materials and believe me I could here the guys before I saw them because of how fast they’d be driving. I think many truck drivers would appreciate the extra power.

Just curious why you chose MACK as the main competitor for the Tesla semi. Next time you drive on the highway count how many Mack Anthems you see pulling a trailer and let us know.

@knightwing4

Жыл бұрын

That’s an easy one to answer. He picked the truck that he thought was the easiest to beat. You are right so you must be a driver. You don’t see many Mack’s on the road. They are known for being tough but that’s all. That’s why they’re dump trucks and things like that. Think about it. Right in the beginning he said they’re to most powerful trucks out here. Wrong answer.

@myusualchannel

Жыл бұрын

New Cascadia with a day cab would be a better comparison. Or the eCascadia for a 1:1 comparison.

@allangibson8494

Жыл бұрын

The Volvo VNR would be a better comparison. That Volvo’s class 8 electric prime mover that has been on the market for 12 Months.

@rogergeyer9851

Жыл бұрын

Ricky: Tesla blows away both the diesel semi and the competing BEV semis, re the specs. So either way, it's clearly advantage Tesla. Now Tesla needs to show it can seriously ramp up production. Luckily, the power train is based on the same motors used in its cars.

@allangibson8494

Жыл бұрын

@@rogergeyer9851 Unfortunately Tesla’s power train is based on that used in cars - cars need way less torque or power to reach ridiculous speeds. A car at 60mph needs 40HP continuously. Anything more is just a hand waving exercise because you simply can’t apply it long term without exceeding speed limits. Truck (and aircraft and marine) engines have a higher continuous power requirement requiring different gearbox and bearing designs for reliability due to lubricants being squeezed out of loaded bearing surfaces.

Looks like the Tesla semi is more of a day cab kinda truck not for OTR

@trentallman984

Жыл бұрын

Daycabs are a huge percentage of all the trucks on the road.

@Foxis1080

Жыл бұрын

If most truck parking spots and warehouses have charging it should be fine for OTR, the Tesla trailer should have solar panels on the top to slow down how much it drains even if it’s only 5%

@hoteduardog

Жыл бұрын

With the savings you can afford a motel

@Yomommahouse

Жыл бұрын

@@trentallman984how’d you figure that? I rarely see day cabs. A lot more sleepers

@trentallman984

Жыл бұрын

@@Yomommahouse I have been local and OTR. I am sure somebody has an official percentage if you want to find it.

Acceleration on a truck is like worrying about your top speed despite the speed limit

@scottmcelhiney323

Жыл бұрын

Although, being able to accelerate UP a grade to keep up with traffic instead of being the traffic jam is a nice thing.

@danielmeador1991

Жыл бұрын

@@scottmcelhiney323 modern diesels can do that with ease and don’t lose 80%+ of there range like the electric ones will

@grunt98444

Жыл бұрын

Unless your behind one at a metered on ramp

Small point on engine brake activation, When the system is active it will engage the moment you release the throttle pedal and stay engaged until you reapply throttle or clutch pedal or turn it off via steering wheel switch.

@Arturo-lapaz

9 ай бұрын

With an electric motor the braking is a regenerative one, controllable, the motor acting as a generator until at low speed you apply normal brakes.

I think the biggest wow factor is how regen break will impact trucking moving foward. Once you drive with regen break, you will start to feel how "everything should be this way" because it's intutive and safe.

@balthazarbratt8194

Жыл бұрын

bro I drive trucks. I'm so stoked about this feature. for those who don't drive semis, this alone is revolutionary

@Anthony-qq2ue

Жыл бұрын

All diesel pickups and semis have engine braking. My f350 goes downhill down big 6% grades hauling 15k lbs without gaining any speed. But Regen braking, even though it doesn't really change the way a diesel truck goes downhill, giving the energy back to you is awesome.

@dr_birb

Жыл бұрын

@@balthazarbratt8194 is it as revolutionary as carrying at max half, at min quarter of the cargo weight?

@balthazarbratt8194

Жыл бұрын

@@dr_birb The truck has a video of it carrying 82,000 lbs 500 miles. unless they lied and cheated on the video, you're wrong

@dr_birb

Жыл бұрын

@@balthazarbratt8194 it doesnt carry 82k lbs, it weights 82k lbs total (cargo+semi). Which is max gross weight for a semi. Which every semi hits given the cargo allows it. Question is, what is the tesla semi curb weight, aka without cargo weight. Aka what's the max cargo weight.

You can't compare Electric Motors to Combustion engines. Combustion engines have a power band where you have to keep hitting by changing gears to be able to produce enough torque to move. Electric Motors can use all the torque all the time as long as it is draining electricity from its batteries. This is why freight trains all use electric motors instead of diesel motors. They only have diesel generators to create electricity for its electric motors.

@stephenrodgers5672

Жыл бұрын

They should develop a smaller version of the diesel/ electric for trucks.

@r.t.1942

Жыл бұрын

Bingo that's right so no long heavy hauls for electric truck only short trip , diesel rains king for cross-country hauls

@TuneyDarko

Жыл бұрын

@@r.t.1942 Depends, electric has only been out for a few decades compared to diesel trucks that have been around for much longer, don’t doubt that hydrogen or electric will takeover

@dinosshed

Жыл бұрын

Diesel locomotives use this electric set-up purely because it's economical and by far the simplest method of transferring the power to the wheels.

@limafrancisco8225

Жыл бұрын

Prefer Tesla ！

If you accelerate 0 - 50 with the pedal to the floor often enough, then you'll go through tires in no time!

I see a lot of people are worried about the charging, but since the video does not cover this, I'd like to introduce an argument for electric trucks: As far as I'm aware, there is a maximum of hours a truck driver in the US is allowed to drive; 30-min break every 8 consecutive hours and max 11 h after 10 consecutive hours of off time; and in the EU; 45-min break every 4h30m and 9h max per day (both highly simplified). Then assuming, that the Tesla semi will do 500 miles, and one driver can maintain 50-60mph average on their shift (not max speed; including speed limits; traffic; various other short breaks) we can assume, that the truck can be operated for 8-10h without charging. I mean, you may not want to because keeping the battery between 20%-80% of charge will increase its total life span, but you can. Bottom line is, it's very likely, that your truck will charge its batteries while you charge yours. And this way you don't need to use a special high power charger, that is also much more inefficient, a usual supercharge could do; 150 kW would mean 6h40min of charging; 250 kW 4h (900 kWh battery 0-100% worst case scenario) From the 30 min 400 miles advertising I would assume the MEGAcharger would do something in the neighborhood of 1000kW of 1MW :D. As war as I'm aware, charging the 900 kWh battery at home 0-100% is not really an option, most homes in Germany have a 22kW household limit so charging the truck would take about 45h in best conditions (unrealistically) and in the US it's 33kW? so 34h?. I think this concept will succeed or fail with the amount of destination (as in driver break time destinations) superchargers. But also the most companies who have confirmed buying them, move goods between multiple facilities of their own, so it's likely they will also have a charger on site.

Tesla has said it should be a loss in usable cargo weight. So it's not 2000 lbs better. Regulations allow trucks with new power sources (I assume a fuel cell counts here to) to be 2000 lbs. The Tesla semi is surely utilizing that granted extra to be comparable. It's not hauling more pepsi bottles.

@rogergeyer9851

Жыл бұрын

aubwarpspeed: In reality, it's about the same re cargo. So the advantages to the Tesla are huge, real world, and the supposed cargo advantage of the diesel is small to none. Real world, truck owners will LOVE saving MASSIVE amounts a year on charging vs. diesel. plus the longer life and lower overall maintenance on the Tesla BEV truck.

@jerrybesch8532

Жыл бұрын

@Roger Geyer supposedly lower overall maintenance. I'd take a late 90s semi with a cat 3406B, a Cummins N14 , or a Detroit 60 series engine over today's regulated garbage. Reliability is big in the industry

@mechsgtpuma938

Жыл бұрын

The one figure they don't tell us is the cargo capacity. When they show a tesla semi carrying cargo in tests its appears to be concrete barriers with loads of 6=8 tons. Based on diesel trucks carrying 16-23 tons as standard. Until they can reduce the weight of the battery pack electric truck are going to struggle against diesel trucks for capacity. In Germany they are trialing trucks with smaller batteries with a 30-50mile range but on major road they use a pentagraph system to use electricity from overhead cables. I wonder if this could be a better option to increase cargo capacity foe electric trucks.

@buddhafyre

Жыл бұрын

It doesn't haul 2000 lbs more than the Mack.... There's simply a greater weight allowance for 'green energy' vehicles given the additional equipment needed for them to operate....

@konrad3

Жыл бұрын

How heavy is the Tesla Battery? The Electric Truck could have less freight capacity

Always happy to see you! Happy holidays to you and yours!

Let's see how it does in winter. In a blizzard. In bad traction situations .......in the mountains or remote areas where there's no chargers. There is alot to get worked out.

I had a 2020 Mack Anthem and it was the the biggest piece of junk I've driven in 35 years of trucking. Everything breaks from normal non-severe highway service. It literally falls apart on you while you're driving. Several major breakdowns in the first year. Anything is better.

@herminio1992

Жыл бұрын

Because it's Daimler.

@conmanumber1

Жыл бұрын

@@herminio1992 No its Vulva.

@DarkHawkk

Жыл бұрын

Are you planning to get a Tesla Semi?

@nickreyes4570

Жыл бұрын

Not really. Our company leases new peterbuilts that hardly lasts two weeks before a major breakdown.

@AirborneRenegade

Жыл бұрын

You had a faulty unit. The Anthems I’ve been around and in are some of the strongest trucks on the road. Plenty of power and very reliable if maintained properly.

Diesel semis are going to be the best always

@sharonbraselton4302

Жыл бұрын

wrobg

@damienboss20

Жыл бұрын

agreed

@bxndxlx4150

Жыл бұрын

@@sharonbraselton4302 Yeah, your opinion is wrong

@bodhisfattva7462

Жыл бұрын

the best for noise and air pollution sure...once solid state batteries leave the lab and enter vehicles you will be able to drive thousands of miles in electric vehicles between charges...you are either ignorant or stupid which is it?

@billcarver6539

Жыл бұрын

I will never trade in my diesel trucks for something that looks like shit. If it gets to the point diesel is no more, that will be the day I retire.

As a former long haul truck driver I would have liked to know the recharge time, a couple of hundred miles is not too far if you are going on a coast to coast run of nearly 3000 miles. I am not surprised they don't show much about sleeper accommodations, looks like this would not work for team drivers. Also what is the availability of charging stations for this, doubt that they would be available for many truckstops.

I just got out of an Anthem. Had the mp8 engine which was really great at accelerating and pulling up hill. Drive train was about the only good thing on it. Everything else would fall apart on it. Got into a Peterbilt 579 with a paccar and still trying to get used to the lack of power. Probably wouldn't be bad if it was a manual.

I think the idea is cool but my only question is range and charge time. I haul a train set of fuel tankers and a full tank of fuel runs me 1-1/2 days and takes me 15 minutes to fill it from E my GVWR full is 120,000 LB’s you would need a fleet of these to replace one of our kenworths not to mention the time wasted on swapping rigs to the trailer set. Also the 18 speeds really help on steep grades not to mention on downhills with the Jake on

@rogergeyer9851

Жыл бұрын

Fast Eddie: GIven that the Tesla semi can charge 70% (350 miles) in about 30 minutes (time for a bathroom break and a sandwich), it's not like refueling is going to be a big time problem for the Tesla. And the Tesla is MASSIVELY better than diesel on any downhills, while it's recharging the battery (more range and safety) by regenerative braking. You mostly have NO IDEA what you're talking about re comparing the vehicles, frankly. How is 18 speeds to get to 60 in a minute or more IN ANY WAY superior to just driving up the hill and getting to 60 in 20 minutes again? Get serious.

@1964suicide

Жыл бұрын

@@rogergeyer9851 where are you going to find a supercharger that accommodates a 75' rig?

@floofsale

Жыл бұрын

@@rogergeyer9851 no where at the moment.. no highway stops have them. Its gonna take 15 years before that infrastructure is anywhere near decent

@rxzesereniti9750

Жыл бұрын

@@rogergeyer9851 30 minutes is a long time just for 70% that’s double the time for 70% distance allowed. Now multiply that by a fleet of trucks waiting to get charged, plus needing there won power plant to get power.

@bodhisfattva7462

Жыл бұрын

@@rxzesereniti9750 you have to stop for that long anyhow if you are going 8 hrs and following the law. This is a direct quote from the "Interstate Truck Drivers Guide To Hours Of Service" The hours-of-service regulations require that if more than 8 consecutive hours have passed since the last off-duty (or sleeper-berth) period of at least half an hour, a driver must take an off-duty break of at least 30 minutes before driving obviously you do not haul freight for longer than 8 hours a day or you are in violation. So you have plenty of time to get 350 more miles of range while you sit still for 30 mins. So that gives you ~850 miles of operation in a day maximum. The 14 hour windows that you must comply with or be in violation of the law dont really let you go much farther than 850 miles before you must take 10 consecutive hours off. What will limit your range is the availability of appropriate charging stations and the overall grade of the terrain you are traversing. Longer if overall a down grade shorter if an up grade.

I have a newer Ram and the climate controls are mostly in the screen. I can't imagine everything including my park brake being controlled by a screen. I like buttons and valves they break less often.

@sharonbraselton4302

Жыл бұрын

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Mack truck specs are based off decades of truck building Testa truck specs are based off Elon Musk saying "Trust me bro"

@Mannymac25

Жыл бұрын

Trust me bro is the biggest Auto maker in US over all hundred year old others not including the guy also has a 🚀 company out doing NASA wasteful rockets

@kinocorner976

Жыл бұрын

@@Mannymac25 Truth me bro has never built a truck that can go millions of miles and go where alot of shit can’t.

@titan2984

Жыл бұрын

That's same for every new truck launched in the market. What's your point?

The Mack anthem truck left so awesome and it’s my favourite one!

I love the “Zero emissions” saying. It’s more like exporting the emissions to other countries that do the mining for lithium. I’m sure there’s some type of oil based lubricant for the gears in the Tesla. Another strike against “zero emissions” And we can’t forget about the Heavy Duty grease that’ll be needed on the fifth wheel. And Tesla took down the pricing of their semi on their site once the $40k rebate was announced. I believe the Tesla Semi’s base price jumped up about $40k now. Interesting how that worked out.

@kenbowser5622

Жыл бұрын

Exactly what it is. I don't wonder why they don't show those pics of lithium mines in Africa. I've seen them.

@1KentKent

Жыл бұрын

Do lubricants and grease cause emissions? Are you talking about the refining process? If so, that's pretty small.

@1KentKent

Жыл бұрын

@@kenbowser5622 The lithium mines are in Australia, Chile and China. Cobalt is in Africa and Tesla is moving away from Cobalt in their batteries.

@jeffs7707

Жыл бұрын

Forgot to menion all the power generation it takes to charge the batteries.

@cutty02

Жыл бұрын

@@jeffs7707 charging these through a power plant is nearly 6x more efficient than burning fuel in the engine.

One trucker friend wondered about seeing to back up while sitting in the middle of the cab. He stated backing up with 2 inches on one side and 4 inch on the other side would be a challenge. He hangs out the window on his truck.

@bodhisfattva7462

Жыл бұрын

that is what the camera's are for with large screens...I also imagine before the hoi polloi can get these they will have perfected automated park functions. It will be years before individuals will be able to get these.

It's got to be Mack for me any day of the week

once i saw the channel name i knew this would be a fair comparison video

13:10 Dang that break of character. "Considering that the price for a gallon of deisel is 4... oh my God, $4.99."

I would say electric is ok for local and state deliveries but the fact that they will have to recharge for large extended times will hurt them for the national deliveries. Therefore Mack wins for the long haul trucking

@RB-yj9ng

Жыл бұрын

I would agree except technology is not static. Look into Skeleton Batteries, they just had a huge investment from Shell oil aimed at electrifying the mining industry. These new batteries use curved graphene super-capacitors which allow to charge large batteries in less than a minute. The batteries will be utilized in oversized three story sized trucks. So with this type of arrangement refueling will be a thing of the past and so will lithium and all other rare metals currently used in modern batteries.

@zachrenner2794

Жыл бұрын

The tesla megachargers charge the semi to 75% in

@chrismuir8403

Жыл бұрын

That's why the current Tesla Semi is designed with a day cab, for short haul and mid-range trips, it is not yet suitable for long-haul routes. But there is intensive research being done to develop power transfer from coils embedded in the roadway to moving vehicles, that would allow for EVs and electric trucks to have nearly unlimited range, making long-haul electric semis a reality.

@rogergeyer9851

Жыл бұрын

Spencer: Stop just making things up from being clueless. Even if the Tesla needs to be recharged, 70% (350 miles) in half an hour while one takes a bathroom break and grabs a sandwich is NOT a big deal. it's NOT like big rigs are instantaneously filled with diesel, after all. Plus, in the real world, there are real limits to how long semi drivers can drive each day.

@sharonbraselton4302

Жыл бұрын

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How do they compare on distance between refueling/recharging and length of time to recharge/refuel? Unless they’re comparable, I feel like the acceleration and most of those specs are minor by comparison, apart from the max haul weight.

@origionalwinja

Жыл бұрын

diesel truck will have 1200 to 1500 mile range and will take about 10 to 15 minutes to refuel. tesla has a range of about 400 to absolute max of 500 miles and takes around 10 hours to recharge.....

@robslaney3729

Жыл бұрын

@@origionalwinja Based on the chemistry in the way these batteries work you should never deplete the battery, and trying to full charge it will take longer and slower the closer it gets to full capacity. Most EVs are recommended to alternate between 10/20 -> 80%. So quote a range on 100% -> 0% is stupid. It's a bit like all manufacturer's quoted fuel consumption, it based in laboratory conditions that don't exist in the real world driving.

I’m a gas and oil field driver. Specifically a production water hauler. Here’s some thoughts and questions. Last time I checked the Tesla with no trailer weighed significantly more than a standard Semi. So you get less cargo. Second, while horse power is important in semi trucks, torque is just as if not more important. How are you going to move a load when your tires are spinning? Third there is currently no infrastructure to compensate otr electric trucks. And before you say oh we can build them quickly in cities. Remember that is not the case in rural areas where most of your necessities are made. Food, paper, oil, gas. The list goes on. Why would smaller communities spend millions on that when there are more pressing issues? Then say a few routes become possible. What about truck stops? You have to use a APU at them so your truck engine isn’t running 24/7 causing premature failures. (On regular semi trucks) They run on Gas or electricity. So if you outfit a Tesla semi with a APU you’re putting a gas one and you’re defeating the purpose of a electric semi. (Do your research electric vehicles are actually worst for the atmosphere and environment) or your battery will drain as you sleep. Now you have 400 miles till your next charging station because you ran out of driving hours. Plus not to mention the truck listed In traditionally used more for heavy hall. 80,000 pounds or more. They haul things as heavy as 150,000 pounds. 0-60 time is stupid in a semi. If you drive one you know. If you don’t, it’s actually extremely dangerous to do 60 in 5 seconds on normal roads with the public in a semi. There’s so many variables. You’ll also probably damage your load. Also what about the off road implication for Tesla semis? I drive production water in the gas field. We’re on more dirt, mud, and cliff sides then paved road. 70/30. How’s the engineering and reliability of a truck like that? I think the creator of this video has no idea what he’s talking about. Now if some of my questions were answered in the video then I apologize. I could only make it a few minutes in before it bothered me to much to fully watch.

Tesla Semi is a Daycab. Too many people make videos and comments comparing Tesla Semi to a Long Distance Sleeper Cab. Clearly have never had their CDL or driven a truck Almost ALL days cabs (90%) run 500 miles or less daily close to a terminal. Sleeper cabs run 600-700 miles per day far from their Home Base This is not a sleeper truck, it is for linehaul & local deliveries. Which is what DayCabs are (No Bed in The Back)

@tompower5666

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely right on

@SLee-vj4px

Жыл бұрын

sleeper actually is not a big deal from manufacturing point of view, the charging infrastructure will take some time. can you imagine one day in future at a truck stop, quiet and each semi in "camp" mode? I am for one, can't sleep well with engine is on, that was the main reason I quit trucking in the 90s.

@jovanleon7

Жыл бұрын

Tesla Semi has 500 miles of range and 300 miles can be regained in 20 minutes of charge. Daycab, sleeper, whatever

@sharonbraselton4302

Жыл бұрын

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I like how he said diesel was "oh my gosh $4.99" when clearly under it was $5.59. Kind of makes you wonder where they get the other numbers from if they can't even read the sign of the price of fuel.

@ayushmalpeddi2793

Жыл бұрын

Haha the truck doesn’t even use m3/y motors. It uses the plaid motors

I can see that kind of acceleration turning into alot of freight claims pallets gonna be all over the place.

@danielstapler4315

Жыл бұрын

Are you saying truck drivers are dumb?

@stevedent4701

Жыл бұрын

My thoughts exactly. Shit going to be all over the floor.. I get paid by the hour..im in no hurry

@nickreyes4570

Жыл бұрын

As soon as you git up and go, so does your load. Oops!

@nickreyes4570

Жыл бұрын

@@danielstapler4315 have you seen the newer drivers lately? I would definitely say that they are severely uneducated.

@Csal92

Жыл бұрын

@@nickreyes4570 There are old drivers that were just as dumb back then too its just that the recording technology wasn't there to expose it.

How long do you take to have a full charged truck and how long it takes for the classic one?

How many years before the batteries have to be replaced, and how much will it cost?

If they allow an exemption for Tesla’s to carry more weight, it’ll only be a matter of time that either diesel truck makers or truck companies push to be able to carry that same weight. And call me crazy, but I’ve seen how some truckers drive like they are on a race track, having a performance truck like this is scary in the hands of some of these drivers 😓

@marciliojunior4919

Жыл бұрын

Most trucks are carring more weight than the law says already

@Lafly84

Жыл бұрын

Get ready for more cries of trucks are destroying our roads...

@bodhisfattva7462

Жыл бұрын

the extra weight is to mitigate the extra weight of electric semis as they are much much heavier than diesel...diesel semis already can haul more than any electric truck even with the 2k extra weight they get.

@alanmay7929

Жыл бұрын

In Europe trucks are much powerful and also hauls significantly way more payload just look at Scandinavian trucks

@savageduck4487

Жыл бұрын

Here in Australia, that would not fly. All main arterial roads have weigh bridges and all trucks have to go through them. We have a law following the chain of responsibility, therefore if the driver stuffs up he cops a fine, the guy who loaded him gets a fine just as big or larger and it follows right up to the owner of the company who got the truck loaded. Avoiding the weigh bridges are pointless as it will take them a longer and more expensive route and local police also know and monitor any of those roads to catch drivers overdoing their hours. Also here in Australia I dont think they will allow higher amount of weight for an EV as the idea is about the safe weight for stopping and damage to roads. I am sure the Tesla Semi will tow what any other prime mover can, but many drivers here are also contractors who get paid by the KM and the load, so swift energy gain via fuel v electric will be put in consideration. I only see this vehicle as delivery to local city bulk stores, not the long haul as 500 mile then charge for a while at a normal charging station for longer than it can to fill with diesel.

As a side truck driver. In all reality it may be a nice day cab. But it looks like a pain getting in and out seat to out side. The sitting in the middle may be going going down the road. But backing in tight place with just inches on the side. Most my stops have no loading dock. All that glass will be hot in summer and in winter snow storm. Also like to how it will holds up after a year of winter sale on the electrical system. This time of year I am always fixing corroded connections. We won't see them for some time for no place to charge and the time it takes. I make 3 fuel stops a week for less then an a hour of my time a week. So having to stop every day charge and could be more. Plus we don't have big truck stop where we run. So charging would interesting and fun when we get stuck in a blizzard for a few days. Then the sleeper is a problem for me. Not give up my shower and cooking area.

@ErikWilliamsviolin

Жыл бұрын

Look into the Hyliion solution.

@bodhisfattva7462

Жыл бұрын

The first offering is a day cab and is only being released one major customer at a time but as the infrastructure for charging gets built and newer batteries are released, I am sure they will have more than their "day" fleet. But once charging stations are built roughly every 5 hours down the road you should be able to hit your 11 and 14 hr day limits....now if you are a scofflaw this isnt a truck for you lol.

all the energy and cost savings of the gesla semi fall away if it can’t haul as much (due to its heavy battery pack), resulting in more drivers being needed

I am a retired trucker.....I don't want either one. My favorite ride was a Volvo. Pretty comfortable ride. No sleeper? ya gotta sleep on the deck plate?

I wonder how the demand on the power grid will be while multiple trucks are charging

@gamtax

Жыл бұрын

Expect a power plant near the truck stop...

@roberthealey7238

Жыл бұрын

I’m betting the truck stops will soon have new roofs over the asphalt that are suspiciously black with silver lines…

@bodhisfattva7462

Жыл бұрын

that all depends on the infrastructure the charging stations use...if they have large power storage not much because they will pull power to the storage facility in off peak hours. If it is free flowing power from the grid it will be considerable if folks are using it during peak hours but folks will attempt to not do that as the expense will be pretty high.

Apart from looking flimsy and weird, let's see the performance, reliability and durability of the first delivered so call truck/semi. For now I still put my money on traditional diesel trucks/semi if you don't mind. I have seen what happened to Teslas after crashing. Also among others to think about: -How long will those batteries last till need replacing? -how much will it cost to replace? -Will the range be effected by extreme weather? -No brake pad change ever? Then if sudden electrical failure, how will you stop these high acceleration 50 tonnes (with load) fire bomb without physical brakes? -Will i need to alter my schedule to accommodate charging? Diesel will be just fill and go anytime.

@dbsti3006

Жыл бұрын

Biggest question to me is, where will you charge those things? It's not like they can pull up to a compact zone and plug in at a mall. They will need separate charging stations away from the cars. They will need a LOT of charging stations spread around and across the US. That's a major infrastructure project.

@dbsti3006

Жыл бұрын

@Quinton Well, unfortunately that's up to you to ask them to move out the way. Any driver who blocks that is just being an a-hole.

@dbsti3006

Жыл бұрын

@Quinton I was for 15 years. Several times I've had to look for the person blocking the pump. Some of the drivers were cool, some of them got angry at me. I'm not sure what the confusion is. Are you too intimidated to ask?

@dbsti3006

Жыл бұрын

@Quinton I still work around trucks. Just not driving them anymore. Did hazmat for a little while, then moved on when offered a cozier job with an office (mini blinds and all) at a dealer maint. shop. No, I have not been out and about as a driver in a bit, but I do have enough common sense to understand what's going on economically. It cost $80 to fill up my Ford Escape here in CA. The first thing I think of is the issues that drivers and the industry is going though. I think about it all the time. I mean, if that much changed in two years at the pump, then...ok. Fine. I won't argue. No reason to.

@Bobb-wv9wd

Жыл бұрын

Tesla batteries can and have done well over a million miles, and can be recycled. The vehicle still has adequate brakes of course, regen is just a far superior system for efficiency and is pretty damn reliable. Like all electric cars, there will be deficits in range in bad conditions, but the truck isnt designed for ice road truckers. The new Megawatt chargers that are starting installation now will be very quick and will nearly completely charge the truck within the mandated 30minute break, over time, with enough of these installed, there won't be a problem

I think that Tesla made a huge and expensive mistake by accepting orders for the $170,000 semi before they had produced significant numbers of the trucks and came up with a total cost of production. My guess is Tesla estimated that the battery cost was going to go way down, and they could afford to install a 1,000 KW battery for less than $50,000. However battery cell cost is still above $100 per KW, so a 1,000 KW battery pack will be at least $120,000 installed in that truck. The rest will probably cost something like $80,000 to $100,000 to build the truck and install that $120,000 battery inside it. My guess is the total cost will exceed $200,000 and might be well over $250,000. But still this is a great deal, if you can drive it for 200 miles while only using about 400 - 500 KW of electricity. In California, the cost is normally about $0.20 per KW, and then commercial buildings have to pay an additional demand charge for power consumed during peak power hours of the day! Also charging at a Electrify America station is in the range of $0.30 to 0.55 per KW, depending on the time of day and local cost per KW for the power. So my best guess is the truck can be recharged 400 KW for about $80, still significantly less than the $6 diesel fuel that they sell in California. Most long haul drivers will get fuel in Arizona or Nevada before they enter California to avoid that high cost of fuel! While I only pay $0.10 per KW for electricity in Portland Oregon for my house rate, the commercial rates are a little higher, and the rate in California are almost twice as much.

I'm all over the road trucker I love my Mack Anthem Mack Anthem what a great truck I love the Mack Anthem good truck

Many questions have yet to be answered. I definitely respect Musk for his ingenious capabilities! My questions and concerns: The test stated 500 miles w/82k GCW, where did this test take place? What was the terrain like? Weather conditions? I can see 500 on slight to mild hilly terrain, definitely flat but mountain terrain of 6% or greater, definitely not, how hot did the motors get? What is the operating temp (minimum to max)before the system sends warnings? What is the warranty like? Hrs to yrs? (Electric motors are based off hrs not miles) what is the cost of the motors and batteries to replace? As one has to know that they are and will be EXTREMELY expensive! I've worked in the oil industry and we've had to replace our 3 phase 1200hp motors time to time and let's just say, for 1, would equate to a in-frame on a CAT and if a battery replacement cost $28k on a chevy volt, imagine on a ES!? How long does it take to fully charge? As we run on Electronic Log Devices w/11hr drive time, 14hrs total daily shift. Off 11hrs we can travel 700 +/-, on a full tank (I hold 280 gal) I can go 975 miles and have a 1/7 tank left (70 gals) fill up in 15 min and move on... If a ES can't at least travel 700 miles with a good tail wind on a 60k to 70k GCW, then it's not worth a OTR's time. It'll definitely be worth carriers time that do local and regional work, that's it. Lastly, when it comes to performance, I'd say, maybe 1% of the individuals in the trucking industry think of how fast they can get to 60mph. We O/O's think of quality, durability, longevity, gear ratio, hp and tq (no not to race but to match to what we haul). IF you wanted to make a true statement, you can make a ES w/a small NG generator (as NG is one of the most purest forms of clean fuels with zero emissions) that ONLY kicks on when a low battery signal is sent, the NG gen would automatically start while the driver continues on his/her travels and once the batteries are fully charged the gen shuts down. Until something like this is offered, individuals that do OTR will never entertain a ES.

@bobjeans

Жыл бұрын

What people don’t understand trailer semi truck they made for business they made to transport heavy materials they made to run long distance. The only thing you can save on an electric semi truck is maintenance.

@bodhisfattva7462

Жыл бұрын

you cant legally drive over 8 hrs without a mandatory 30 min break. Part 395 of the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Regulations is pretty clear about how long one can operate a semi per the guidelines for 14 hr windows. Without 2 30 min stops you wont be able to reliably hit your max up time in the 14 hour windows unless you are hauling on an overall down grade. In a few years when solid state batteries leave the lab and are in production you will be able to drive vastly longer than any current fuel driven vehicle as they have 2x and more charge capacity to current lithium batteries but today you will lose around 40 mins if you only take one 30 min break during the day and have access to more than one semi charger. side note you cant legally drive more than 715 miles per day by federal law and that is if you average 65 miles per hour as it isnt legal for a singler person to drive more than 11 hours in a stretch with 1 30 min break mandatory to break up the 11 hrs. as you do not seem to know the federal law I will instruct you. 11-Hour Driving Limit: a driver is allowed to drive a maximum of 11 hours following 10 consecutive hours off duty. 14-Hour Limit: a driver may not drive beyond the 14th consecutive hour after coming on duty (which comes after 10 hours off duty). Additional off-duty time does not extend the 14 hours. 30-Minute Driving Break: a driver must take a 30-minute break when they have driven for 8 cumulative hours without at least a 30-minute interruption. 60/70-Hour Limit: a driver may not drive after 60/70 hours on duty in seven/eight consecutive days. They can start this period again following 34 or more consecutive hours off duty.

@bodhisfattva7462

Жыл бұрын

@@bobjeans you dont seem to be acquainted with Part 395 of the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Regulations...you cant legally drive more than 715 miles in a day if you average 65 miles an hr. There is nowhere in the USA that you can operate a semi for longer than 11 hrs with a mandatory 30 min break after no longer than 8 hrs of operation. You should educate yourself on the 11 and 14 hour driving limits set by the federal government. Oddly enough 500+350 is more than 715 miles so...the tesla can be in operation for the full 11 or 14 hr windows. It is better to know facts than to be ignorant and spout garbage.

@uni4rm

Жыл бұрын

@@bodhisfattva7462 So you are admitting that without the regulations in place the Tesla wouldn't be competitive.

@brianjones2891

Жыл бұрын

They did the 500 mile test runs loaded to just under 82k and went from Pasadena to San Diego, which included the Grapevine which is a 6% grade. They do not even have to touch the brakes on the downhill side due to the regenerative breaking keeping the vehicle at a steady speed. Also, they were going up the 6% grade with NO speed loss. They climbed it at speed limit. You can see the video on it here. kzread.info/dash/bejne/mH-cq9GHodmolLg.html

Both are amazing thee question i have is how long will it take to charge the truck. For true over the road drivers being able to keep going is big

@WhatsUpLand

Жыл бұрын

Some modification on legislation to allow for rest times and charge times to occur in parallel could be helpful. When I go on long trips I take naps while charging.

@jovanleon7

Жыл бұрын

30 minutes for 300 miles of range

@bodhisfattva7462

Жыл бұрын

not really...by federal law you cant drive more than 715 miles a day if you can impossibly average 65mph...after 8 hours of continuous driving it is a federal law you need a 30 min break...in 30 mins you can charge 350 miles of range...500+ 350 happens to be more than 715.....now there is no fast charging network for these yet so for now they are only good for "day" haulers and ~500 mile range as there will be nowhere to charge...for now

The Mack is powerful. I was climbing 6-9% grades at 70. I rarely had to down shift.

@Pepe-dq2ib

Жыл бұрын

Tesla destroys it in the 0-60 acceleration.

@danieldani5922

Жыл бұрын

@@Pepe-dq2ib which is not important in trucks. You dont want to damage the stuff you have loaded

Looks like a great truck for local trucking. I wonder if they have one with a sleeper bunk for over the road trucking coming out soon.

@DM-nr2eg

Жыл бұрын

Have not seen one with a sleeper yet.

Thing is, when you bung up the Mack’s door, there are about 300 locations to pick one up, in about a day (unpainted, of course). Where do you get a Tesla door? And how long will it take? At what cost? I think I’ll stay with my Mack for a while longer...

@redjonnyboy00

Жыл бұрын

My dad owns a diesel semi repair shop and constantly have parts back ordered and that’s considering we have many many suppliers. Repairs and maintenance will definitely be an issue for Tesla

Very interesting and well done. We will be very happy if you also make the units of measurement understandable for the rest of the world, thank you in advance :-)

Regeneration vs engine breaking is going to be a deciding factor as there are increasing locations you can take it where engine braking is restricted or banned. This could theoretically save a driver alot of time. This is a bigger factor than acceleration. Brake maintenance is a factor & let's not forget that's DOWN TIME.

@Robot_AST_X-1

Жыл бұрын

Most of if not all semi's for the last decade plus have engine brake mufflers, so they do not have to follow the restricted engine break signs.

If I still drove trucks I would love to test out the tesla, even though a bunk space hasn't been revealed I think it would be a nice alternative to all the freightliner, internationals and Pete's I've driven. Although it is an automatic(yes I know EVs don't use transmissions so it can only be an automatic drive) I would think it to be an enjoyable drive. Although the layout of the Mack looked really nice too. The only thing that confuses me is the loaded weight of the tesla, 82k pounds is above interstate ratings in most of the country. Do they have the ability to write off the extra 2k pounds because they are electric? Kind of like being able to add an extra 500 pounds more to gross weight if you have an APU on your truck? My last driving position was hauling dry bulk tanks locally around the Joplin Missouri area, going roughly 200 miles out and coming back by the end of the day. Our trucks were registered for 100k pounds and we had special permits for interstate/us highway travel so they might be doing that.

@eagleaviator252

Жыл бұрын

all heavy equipment electric vehicles get ab added 2k to offset the weight of the batteries

@Chrom35kull

Жыл бұрын

​@@eagleaviator252 He was also talking about Payload capacity as Gross Vehicle weight. Unfortunately neither figures provided gave any bearing on actual Payload Capacity. I just wish they would fully announce the tare weight of the Tesla Semi. But I do know your allowed an extra 2000lb for Electric Trucks. I also believe vans get a bonus to Gross Vehicle weight if powered by Electric.

Can't wait to see one bust in flames.😃

@smokechub

Жыл бұрын

Yes a fire that takes hours to put out with such intense heat that it melts the road. Not good at all!!!!!

@roberthealey7238

Жыл бұрын

You’ll be waiting a long time, truck uses LFP chemistry so no fireworks sad to say…

@smokechub

Жыл бұрын

Well that's good to know. Thanks for the info!

@bedinor

Жыл бұрын

There's only a small chance of fire and extreme duress during an accident. The chances are near 0.

I live in the Sacramento area and have seen the TS doing their runs between the Giga Factory and the Fremont plant. They have to stop at the Rocklin Tesla Sales/Repair center to charge the battery. A regular OTR truck could do that round trip TWICE before fuel becomes an issue.

@nonstoprunning2761

Жыл бұрын

Definitely a useless truck

mack will forever be the best truck brand

I like it that the price is compatible with most semis on a road.

My issue is number of battery cycles. Many semi trucks do over 100,000 miles a year. After 2 years, it's highly possible, your going to need a battery replacement. How much is this going to cost?

@manojgv4556

Жыл бұрын

Tesla guarantee 1 million miles

@trainandtruckmodeler786

Жыл бұрын

@@manojgv4556 funny cause Mack states rebuild at 1 million....

@erictuffelmire6826

Жыл бұрын

That's impossible seeing as lithium ion can only be recharged 1,000 times...

@SunRise-ul7ko

Жыл бұрын

@@erictuffelmire6826 there is a guy on KZread that uses his tesla model 3 as a Uber lift car. The battery was out of warranty, due to distance & the car was only 2.5 years old when the battery needed replacing. He kept his battery between 20 to 80% charge, but needed to super charge 3 times a day as he had know facility to home charge. This & the fact he had a short range battery, ment, he used up all 1,000 charges.

@erictuffelmire6826

Жыл бұрын

@@SunRise-ul7ko The other issue besides capacity at that point is lithium ion batteries form dendrites and is at risk of fire.

While I agree that electric is a great alternative and one of many shaping the future, you are forgetting some major items. There is not the infrastructure across the US. Range of the Tesla is sub par and would on a weekly basis gross the driver less money per week. Having a longer range and quicker fueling time the Mack would at least be able to 1 more load a week. For the owner operator that would be thousands of dollars more revenue a week.

@hoffinger

Жыл бұрын

The Tesla is designed for 500 trips.

@michalfaraday8135

Жыл бұрын

First adopters will likely be companies that need 500 miles or less per trip and can charge the semi during loading/unloading. I think Tesla is cooperating with Pepsi to setup megacharges in their warehouses for that.

@CartoonWeasel

Жыл бұрын

​@@hoffinger 500 trips on one charge? 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 stop taking lsd. Aint no truck doing 500 trips on anything. 500 x 2k miles = 100 000k of range needed. Good luck with that. 500 trips 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 500 trips of 0.02 miles maybe.

@rameusunlimited1561

Жыл бұрын

How much would the fuel cost for those trips Vs the electricity for the Tesla?

@Pico_444

Жыл бұрын

In EU truckers cannot drive a Tesla Semi empty in one session. They have to take a break, where they can recharge to 100% again before their required pause is over. Refueling times are out of the question

you didn't mention maintenance!!!! which is very important!

Tesla needs to co figure the trucks height a bit. Depending where they deployed these.. most overpasses in certain states will possibly be a bit to short

You can't street race them and call a winner. The winner is the one that is more economically viable for a company.

They should have the Tesla trucks connected to over head wires. No batteries required. That of course would mean they were on a fixed route so they could make special lanes just for the trucks. Because they have their own lane you could run them on durable metal wheels with a special groove or slot in the road so they don't need to steer. Autonomous! Then you could also link them together in a long chain. Call it the Tesla Radical Advancement In Navigation.

@suunraze

Жыл бұрын

:-P

@charleshaggard4341

Жыл бұрын

I read where they are experimenting with that in the UK. Would be extremely expensive to run overhead lines even the railroads haven't done that to any degree.

@robertbowman9108

Жыл бұрын

i see what you did there

@WhatsUpLand

Жыл бұрын

Chooo chooooo

@alphaomega5721

Жыл бұрын

And Musk again invents something that is worse than what we already have: coal powered trucks with lower load capacity.

I am currently a truck driver and as much as I like the semi truck of Tesla in my opinion, I don’t think it will really compete as long-distance truck so maybe it could be used for fall day trucks so kind of short distance like Walmart distribution center to an actual Walmart store or something similar but the diesels like the Mac in the video all Peterbilt of freightliners with a sleeper births those ones really shine for long distances so right about now half a tank will get me 800 miles. And also another thing about weather when it’s icy and there’s snow on the ground, you can not see the lines not sure maybe the drive will take over however is a standard for truck drivers when going to snow and ice to turn off the Jake brakes the engine brakes because otherwise he will break up the ice break up the snow and you’re scared and so with the Tesla with those electromagnets that’s affectively to take breaks and so I don’t see them as really safe during the winter, especially going through the Pacific Northwest that is just a bad idea. I am not even going to include keeping the truck warm at night because it gets frigid at night and if it’s truckers, you know just sitting there waiting. Yeah sure the heater can kind of do some of the work, but there comes a point where the heater Cana doesn’t really get task done. Another words I don’t have hope for electric vehicles during the winter sleeper, berth or not. Know another thing about max for us is the Tesla trucks is infrastructure diesels have been running the states for over 100 years and so there are tons of gas stations where a semi truck can fill up on diesel that’s over 1000 pilots a form of gas station and that’s not including other ones like flying J1 plus Sinclair loves TA each one and probably got 1000 roughly each a minimum of 700 of locations where truck driver could get diesel. The Tesla semi truck however because it’s electric is very much limited on where I can be situated. No yes it can have the range to get to a destination to get electricity, however that is not including hills turns and multiple areas where truck driver would have to use more throttle than normally. Now show me argue that oh they can use the regeneration breaks going downhill from going to the mountains. Yes that can be useful but it will never be kouprey the energy that it used going up, said mountain it won’t be enough and so therefore, like I said earlier very limited on where I can go do infrastructure Anuel charges are Us trucks. Know in my opinion the future of semi trucks for long distances would have to be diesel or a possible hybrid, but mainly electric vehicles just with current technology, and even if it did get better, technology electric trucks would only be realistically viable for short distances, more or less like intrastate (within the state borders.) but I don’t think it will ever be viable for interstate.

It would be a great design to put the sleeper OVER the drive compartment. All of that space is just a hollow shell. Why not use it

@alonzosmith5075

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As a truck driver speaking for other truck drivers.... that's not a desirable option

@whatusernameis5295

Жыл бұрын

as someone that's not a trucker. I would hate that due to how hard it would be to get into

@ibrahimcehajic

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Spend 24 hours in a semi and tell me how many different temperature zones you find especially summer time in the southwest

Acceleration isn’t important for semis, it’s endurance

@rogergeyer9851

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Isaiah: Being in denial doesn't change the reality. Time is money for businesses. Just like saving on diesel fuel is money.

@floofsale

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@@rogergeyer9851 being hopeful doesn't change reality. It will take a long time before EV trucks become more "money efficient" for businesses. We're talking about 10 to 15 years for a decent infrastructure

@bodhisfattva7462

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@@rogergeyer9851 what he was saying is, if you accelerate much faster than they are currently able you will spill your freight all over the place inside your trailer...the ability to accelerate faster doesnt mean squat if you are damaging freight or have to spend an hour cleaning up a mess because you were playing 0-60 games. 0-60 times are 100% nonsense.

@kamallb4650

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@@rogergeyer9851 my dude is defending tesla for dear life.

Yep the Mack Athem is the better truck has more power “torque” can pull more weight from 70 ton to 150 ton with the mp8 or mp10. More than one trailer doubles, triples and quad combinations are common in other countries . Also more manoeuvreable “shorter wheel base” easy to back those trailers up and round a corner. Up to 1400 miles on one charge . Wider range of applications , works better in hot climates . Drive train warranty of 900,000 mile. The Mack is an excellent choice. Tesla has a way to go to catch Mack but I’m sure they will get there over time. Tesla will be a good city truck or short run truck light loads stop start work.

How many kw will it take from Minneapolis to Bismarck on January 6 at -28

The only comparison that will matter is the cost per load and these 2 vehicles will not compete on the same loads. Tesla will do short and mid-range loads and the Mac will mostly concentrate on long-distance loads.

@rogergeyer9851

Жыл бұрын

jjames: Nonsense: With a mere 30 minute charge, the Tesla can go a total of 850 miles vs. 500. There is only so long a driver can operate in a day, re various laws on rest for semi truckers. And 500 miles is NOT short range trucking. So much desperation from the deniers, but so little objective reality.

@bombermanking

Жыл бұрын

@@rogergeyer9851 Where did you get the 850 miles from? Can't find that range number anywhere.

There was no Frightliner no Peterbuilt no Kenworth But there is the Mack 💀😂

@chrismayer3919

Жыл бұрын

Between you and I, I’d take the Mack over the Tesla; the T is a little TOO Area-51 for my tastes. 🪐🛸

@waynenorbreyjr9638

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@@chrismayer3919 I drive a Kenworth and I'm not a fan of either of these trucks, but I'll pick the Mack over the Tesla.

As a gearhead I am okay with Electric vehicles as long as we will have a choice between Internal Combustion Engine vehicles and those that are electric, I think that both of these vehicles have their uses, however one cannot be compared to another, since both of these trucks are completely different worlds, I personally prefer ICE vehicles and I am stunned that a pickup truck like 2022 RAM 3500 Dually Cummins High Output puts out 1085lbft of torque, which is just 400-600lbft than a fricking semi-truck. I am really excited for electric Semi Trucks, however I don't see them completely taking over the good old regular Internal Combustion Engine Cars, Pickup Trucks, Semis, or even Busses, since one type of vehicle will always be better from another and vise versa. Consumer's ability of choice is the key.

I think one of the important things to say is that the Tesla semi truck is within the standards for trucks accepted in Europe. And another thing that is very, very important is maintenance, which crushes the wages of truck owners.

Being just a vehicle that is autonomous & electric power, wasn't enough to compare with rival designs traditional. It needed to multi render, like all-wheels park mode, payload cart low frame & rear tag wheels trsnsformation. An iMech, as the new *Roadlord* to business.

My primary concern is charging the battery. How long does it take and where are the chargers going to be? Also horse power is a secondary consideration to torque.

@toddkes5890

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This is likely to be the key. An electric truck would be perfect for in-city transportation, while an ICE truck is better for long-haul transportation. Electric engines can handle stop-start traffic far better than a diesel. A diesel is better for 'recharging'. A car gas pump can do 12 gallons per minute, which is about 1.75 GJ/minute, or ~30 MW. The current fastest recharger is ~500 kW. So the smaller gas pump is about 60* faster than the fastest recharger. Basically if you expect to need to refuel during the day, go with an ICE. If you expect to be able to recharge overnight, go with electric.

@tobyw9573

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Horsepower is rate of doing work, more HP will get you up a hill faster. HP is proportional to the torque times RPM

@kurosumomo

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@@toddkes5890 You got better electric trucks for in-city transportation, pick any European or Asian tractor manufacturer and they already have them on roads in cities for about 5 years. Scania, Renault, Volvo, Hino, Isuzu, Fuso etc. all have Urban electric trucks delivering goods as we speak. Some of those also have long-haul electric trucks on the road.

@toddkes5890

Жыл бұрын

@@kurosumomo That is why I was comparing recharge rates and stop-start travel. A basic diesel pump is roughly sixty times faster to recharge a diesel truck than the current fastest recharger. Similarly, an electric vehicle can handle stop-start movement much better than diesel.

Is it just me? Or did this video miss one of the most important things to consider when comparing these two types of trucks? How long it takes to charge the batteries and how and where you will do that in one of these trucks and how will that affect the real world use.

Nice master piece

Just one week away from launching Tesla still hasn't published axle loadings, horsepower or torque. Let's hope there is a driver at Pepsi that will take the semi to a weighbridge and let the world know what it weighs. I bet Pepsi has an NDA with Tesla that requires them to not make any negative comments about it, just like the drivers in Las Vegas loop.

@allangibson8494

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The Tesla Semi prime mover was calculated to weigh 27,000lb based on the payload used for the 81,000lb at 500miles demonstration.

@brendanpells912

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@@allangibson8494 Calculated? By whom? Why calculate it when you can actually weigh it? The rear axle loading is also important because some of the weight of the trailer rests on it. If the rear axle loading is heavier than a diesel truck that means less cargo. You can't reduce the load on the semi axle by shifting the load further to the back of the trailer because you could then exceed the trailer axle loads.

@rogergeyer9851

Жыл бұрын

Brendan Pells: As if science deniers have any idea what they're talking about. Hint: The earth isn't flat, and vaccines are FAR safer than the underlying disease they prevent, on a statistical basis.

@rogergeyer9851

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@@allangibson8494: And thats consistent with credible estimates. And that's close to the estimation for diesel semis, especially given the 2000 lb advantage for the BEV semis in the US. But deniers will deny, and lose, just like they have for the past decade.

@crocodile2006

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@@brendanpells912 You are doing a lot of crying while delivering zero facts. Not a "empty husk!" ThunderFail viewer per chance?

Until you see the sleeper option these trucks will not see wide spread usage over the road. I think you are going to see these trucks only on dedicated routes from terminal to terminal until sleeper figured out.

@ericwiese7479

Жыл бұрын

Agreed!

@alexmanojlovic768

Жыл бұрын

Figured out? You mean built....

@lancetruong4957

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Don't worry. Tesla will offer sleeper option further down the road.

@carholic-sz3qv

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@@lancetruong4957 lol…

@radicalrick9587

Жыл бұрын

*You're kidding right? This is Elon Musk we're talking about! The Model Y Tesla has a camping mode for sleeping in the car!!!!!!! So of course in the not too distant future they'll be a Tesla SEMI with all the amenity. And you can bet it will be the best in the world, 5 star like sleeping quarter.*

I do wonder about the time needed to charge the Tesla Semi, and if the batteries will degrade quickly from constant fast charging. But such nice cup holders!

You mention the entire weigth when towing, but what is the maximum load weight ? i.e. how much does the truck by it's self weigh ?

Too heavy even with the extra 2k allowance Its losing over 3ton payload per trip and can’t be team driven due to re charge time In trucking its all about net weights delivered

@firstbigbarney

Жыл бұрын

Not when hauling popcorn and potato chips...

@jessiejanson1528

Жыл бұрын

with full fuel, the tesla only weighs 1000 pounds more and can carry the same payload.

I would want to see what a truck hyped over five years actually performs AFTER a real example is actually delivered. My pick is delivery date, cost, numbers delivered and performance will turn out to be underwhelming. Feel free to point out my errors once there is a real truck actually hauling freight.

@thomasruwart1722

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Grant Mac: Agreed. Once we have real world data from a fleet of Tesla semis then we can make meaningful comparisons. And, like Tesla cars, I'm willing to bet the Tesla engineers will be continually improving things and pushing those improvements out to every semi as over-the-air software updates. Can't do that with a Mack.

@radicalrick9587

Жыл бұрын

*Sorry, but Tesla is known for giving specs and then over performing on everything they do. So their SEMI will be no different. And, FYI, they've been testing the SEMI for a long time now, so no doubt it will overdeliver on what the specs say.*

@chevyslyme

Жыл бұрын

@@radicalrick9587The Semi was unveiled in 2017 and in 2018 Elon was predicting 100 000 trucks a year by 2022. The Cybertruck will have first deliveries in 2021. Tesla’s new self-driving system could be good enough to road trip from Los Angeles to New York by the end of next year (2016). The Tesla ride-sharing app will allow Teslas to operate as robotaxis and make their owners $30,000 a year. Tesla is known for giving specs and then over performing on everything they do?

@thomasruwart1722

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@@chevyslyme - That's a manufacturing decision they made for several reasons (supply chain issues, battery constrained, some kind of pandemic that royally screwed everything up, ...etc.) The manufacturing delay gave them more time to ensure they will meet and likely exceed the 2017 stated specs IMHO. So they did not make 100,000 trucks in 2022. Schedules slip all the time but it does not necessarily mean the product specs change. Elon is notoriously bad at predicting production dates but is also very good at understating the specs and over delivering the final product as another commenter mentioned. But time will tell.

@phazekiller5701

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@@chevyslyme lol, I still remember watching that one video of a tesla running a stop sign and then from the cop trying to pull it over. These things are oversized cars, I'm wondering if they've actually been testing them on grades with actual weight, haven't really seen anything about that and it seems to be a hush hush when it's the most important factor when dealing with a semi. Also it's strange they didn't add a sleeper when they're already mass producing for pepsi. I get that those are mainly day cabs for reefers but it's a bit too strange they haven't reveled anything regarding that yet...

I think the Tesla Semi is ground breaking, but not the best truck to use and iut might be a little while before you can make a practical case for the everyday truck driver. I think the Tesla Semi will end up being perfect for the local and regional companies like UPS, Fedex, Walmart etc. But long distance not so much for the moment.

@robslaney3729

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@Karl with a K There is no way it's going to replace the fleets of trucks hauling long distance with b-double, b-triple, and road train configurations in Australia. You'll need a significant increase to battery capacity before it will be able to compete. A road-train can easily travel 2000+ km before refueling. Frequent short runs seems to be the use-case for this truck

@robslaney3729

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@Karl with a K Ultra long haul trips typically have multiple people in the cabin. We have time restrictions in Australia as well. Just saying that an EV truck will not replace some use-cases, no matter what "Chief Twit" claims

Efficiency is everything when it comes to trucks. Fuel economy is the number one most crucial thing. Number 2 is reliability. Number 3 is ease of maintenance and repair. All three of these things mack has 117 years of experience to perfect.

These won’t work if they cannot go at minimum 700 miles a day on one charge as an OTR truck. Maybe ok for local stuff

@TschingisTube

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700 Miles/60mph = 11.6h of driving. How long is a driver allowed to drive in US? In EU it is limited to 9h and controlled regulary.

@niklas7468

Жыл бұрын

@@TschingisTube american trucks can go 75mph and american truckers can drive 11 hours in a day

@1KentKent

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I'm not a trucker but aren't most trucks used for local delivery, which is millions of trucks in the US? That's a whole lot of trucks that can recharge overnight when electricity is the cheapest. Once we build out these local delivery trucks in 10 years, we will have built out the long haul recharge network, built EV trucks with sleepers and improved the longer range batteries?

@rogergeyer9851

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ThatGuyDy: So much nonsense from the FUD patrol. First , 500 miles is FAR from local. Second, given the 70% charge the Tesla can do in 30 minutes, that means an 850 mile total range with one small break while going to the bathroom and grabbing a sandwich. If you can't argue better than that, just give up. Seriously.

@sharonbraselton4302

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w⁹rbg

With what your stating, I see a lot of guys taking advantage of speed and gonna be in farm fields, falling of cliffs, and rivers...

@profitshares7033

Жыл бұрын

Sad but the news will have something to talk about.

@trainandtruckmodeler786

Жыл бұрын

@@profitshares7033 hahahaha....alot of these young guys driving automatics have a heavy foot...

Mack all day. The big golf cart you can have.

Amazing ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐

imagine having to replace the power cells, how green is it to bore for lithium?,

@1KentKent

Жыл бұрын

Its exponentially greener to mine the lithium and recycle it than burning the tons of diesel that go through an ICE.

@marathonlogistics9943

Жыл бұрын

@@1KentKent yeah that's a load of shit, by the time you put together a GREEN vehicle it's no longer green, this Is about control and consolidation of wealth like any big change from history past

@1KentKent

Жыл бұрын

@@marathonlogistics9943 There is a nice summary of how much worse gasoline cars are for the environment than EVs on the EPA's Electric Vehicle Myths webpage.

@marathonlogistics9943

Жыл бұрын

@@1KentKent hey there's this book called lying with statistics, ever heard of it?? there's some nice facts that corporations are still out polluting the planet past people, I bet Elon ain't showing up there to stop that, STEEL plants NUCOR, lol,

@1KentKent

Жыл бұрын

@@marathonlogistics9943 In addition to the EPA, you can look at the Argonne National Laboratory's study on the comparison of EVs to ICE cars. It's pretty clear that EV's are much greener over the lifetime of the vehicle. Don't forget, the EV's battery can be recycled, making the next gen EV even greener. Please let me know your source of information. I'm willing to change my mind with new data.

I’ll believe it when I see it in a hands on test

Tight city corner? Which one is better?

They'll have to come up with something better much better than the current batteries to really be able to compete with what's available already. We were promised something that would beat rail. This doesn't beat what's there already.

@rogergeyer9851

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Ohman: You have no idea what you're talking about. On the Dec. 1 delivery ceremony, the Tesla semi has ALREADY been clearly demonstrated to be FAR superior on performance, with CURRENT battery tech. It totally blows away the diesel semi performance. Being in denial doesn't make you even close to right.

@schmalzilla1985

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@@rogergeyer9851 it's called skepticism. And it doesn't beat what's already available. Take a good look at current freight trains. Diesel is it's battery essentially, maybe power plant. Like I said, they need to come up with something better than the current batteries. They've already shown that long hauling with batteries is outside the realm of possibility for batteries. They overhyped what it can do, and many people to that bait.

@bodhisfattva7462

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no they dont...freight haulers can not even legally drive 715 miles in a "day" unless they can average 65mph which is impossible unless you speed. Days are different for freight haulers and normal people. Look up the regulations for the 11 and 14 hour days for freight as you dont know what you are talking about.

@kurosumomo

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Nothing beats rail, especially if it's electrified rail and nothing will beat it ever, except a more efficient train.

@bedinor

Жыл бұрын

Did the Ford Model T outperform race horses? Probably not. Technology improves and to expect something to be perfect from the get-go is just a low IQ argument.

MACK looks awesome. And that engine is a gem! And who the hell compares truck acceleration and why.

How long does it take to charge?

Tesla semi truck is a start for ev in commercial supply chain sector. Mack sounds like a great improvement. Regardless, good to see the improvements in engineering of the truck industry.

I am looking forward to the Tesla semi entering revenue service. However, the numbers supplied here are skewed in Tesla’s favor. I believe the Tesla is going to be a game changer, but the Tesla has yet to prove itself where it matters. Out on the roads hauling real revenue freight to real customers, and paying the real bills. Testing is fine for as far as it goes. But real day to day use counts. Promises are vaporware. Actual use and reliability have to be proven. The regular Diesel semis have a demonstrated use history. The Tesla has to be able to back up its claims. And get the job done.