I appreciate that, in the process of answering the question in the title, you incidentally explained the difference between ballpoints, gels, and rollerballs-something I've low key wondered about for years, but never got around to looking up

@ABChinese

2 жыл бұрын

I really should have added the Chinese names too because they are much more obvious - 油性笔，中性笔，水性笔 "oil pens, blended pens, water pens"

Unironically watching this as a native Chinese speaker, you lot who are learning Chinese as a foreign language are not alone in this struggle lol.

@MaiElizabeth

11 ай бұрын

Worse for me because I use iPad and apple pencil tu practice hanzi. I tried every brush still cannot get the desired result.

@selmaadri731

10 ай бұрын

@@MaiElizabeth I bought expensive tools but it doesn't help either 😂. My teacher fooled me he said it is easy. Good luck everyone

The ACTUAL best contestant - fountain pen. Even an affordable one can add those wonderful dynamic strokes with ease, and has an unmatched flow and is very satisfying to write with.

@kohakuaiko

2 жыл бұрын

Was looking for the fountain pen comment.

@domdominique2603

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe this is a generational thing? I find great value in using fp over disposable brillos. But then again I am Gen X. Good to see fellow fp users here. I have long owned a Fude nib, and now I can see what it's really for. Def not for Roman alphabet. PS. I love Jinhao and Hero pens. Very affordable, too!

@ABChinese

2 жыл бұрын

Probably a generational thing😅 I’ve never seen anyone use a fountain pen before… BUT, after all the comments, I plan on getting one soon!

@domdominique2603

2 жыл бұрын

@@ABChinese you won't regret it. I've seen how Jinhao and Hero pens have improved in quality over the years. They're awesome Chinese pens. Great value for money. (I ordered them online only for about one dollar per 🖋 lol. Delivery fee was worth more than the product. 😂 )

@aidantaylor3324

2 жыл бұрын

@@ABChinese I started practising with my fountain pen the other day to learn characters and memorise how to write the ones I know, then I found this channel and found it very instructional so far, thank you!

Interesting video! I personally use fountain pens most often and also try to stay away from ball point pens bc my characters always turn out messy when using them haha

@domdominique2603

2 жыл бұрын

Same. Stubbed nibs, too. I take copious notes and writing with them is easier on my hands. I refill the ink and don't need to throw away anything. Environment friendly and more economical. Gel pens never last me very long.

@alessandrocardelli5291

2 жыл бұрын

What nib do you use?

Thanks for the pen review and looking forward to the specific writing utensils names video! :)

The Pilot Kakuno makes a great starter fountain pen, and is only $10! I find it great for writing.

Glad that I found your channel! Really valuable tips to writing chinese characters in the most elegant way!

i recently started learning chinese and your channel is on my heavy rotation! i really needed this video since the calligraphy homework i had was pretty hard with the pen i was using. lol

Appreciate this recommendation. The roller ball pen made a huge difference. Thanks.

This video is so interesting! I haven't seen anything like it before. Also, your characters are beautiful.

Thank you! You talk about topics that are not commonly discussed by other Chinese teaching channel but so useful!

Thanks. That's really helpful. I'm looking forward to your upcoming pen guide.

OMG ITS BEAUTIFUL! WELL DONE!!

Your handwriting is pretty! I don't have the patience to work on how my characters look, because the only time I write characters is a couple times a week in my Boya textbooks. Which have very small lines anyways so I just use a ballpoint pen to fit in the tiny characters (especially because I'm trying to teach myself traditional after years of simplified)

Love the song you choose for the lyrics!

Thanks a lot! I've been struggling with the choice of the right pen for a while. I started practicing characters with a ballpoint pen and soon enough realised, that there's no way to recreate some strokes and make my writing look the way I want it. So I tried using 0.5mm gel pen just to find out that I need at least 0.7mm to feel comfortable while writing. And now I understand why it all felt so wrong)

Thanks, good solid advice.

Lovely handwriting!

Really good video🤝. I like the fact that you give the tools to all the people who are in this process through your knowledge and experience. It's really great to have a good guide when we're learning something. Grettings from Colombia 🇨🇴

Very helpful video. Thank you so much! :D

Im not even learning Chinese but this is such an instructive video on pens! Thanks 😄

thank you for teaching us

I personally use the 0.3 Sarasa Zebra Gel Ink pens, they also come in lots of pretty pastel colors for people like me who like to spice up their study notes with some colors and decoration. Thanks for going so in deprg about the pro and cons for each and explaining exactly why some type of pens feel like they give you more control than others!

Thank you so much for this useful video

Thank you, such an informative video and pleasant to watch. You are a master.

Thank you for these tips. I used a ballpoint pen for all of my character writing in my Chinese 1 class. I will find some other pens and practice writing characters with them.

Thank you for this amazing upload, I started mandarin since 2 months ago, I love the culture, food, language, writing and many more. I also got the blue Pilot G-2 have been using it for a year or so, really nice pen and great review as well, 谢谢你! 再见!👋

Hello,I'm viwer from Hong Kong. I amazed to see your word writing so beautiful!As a Hong Kong using Cantonese and Chinese,we usually don't write that pretty because we need to write in a limited time. Also there a point need to remember at writing Chinese words,we have a precedence of it and the precedence will affect the word you write You need to write the left part frist,then write the right part Write the up part frist,then the down part The writting about 2 pant of out and inside will hard to explain,just link 固,you need to wirte 固'sㄇ part,then the 古 inside,last will be the bottom pard of outside Also a fact about Chinese words We have Traditional Chinese and Simplified Chinese,it a huge different of it Taiwan and Hong Kong are using Traditional,Chinese and Malaysiad using Simplified. The different of those is the word like Traditional using 們 but Simplified will be 门.

@karmaskeys

11 ай бұрын

That's exactly what I just learned. I have the learning Mandarin Chinese characters Volume 1 for the HSK level one and AP exam prep book. Horizontal stroke written from left to right, vertical stroke written from top-to-bottom, downward left stroke written from top right to bottom left, etc. I have been learning Chinese for over a year now using Memrise and Rosetta Stone but learning the strokes is putting it all together. ❤

@siyacer

7 ай бұрын

interesting

Very good, and thank you much.

Majestic Handwriting

2:41 I use the sharpoe S gel pens and the sharpie felt tip. I love these pens.

My favorite pen ran outta ink just now, so I was wondering if there was any videos on them best for Chinese characters! I'm learning Japanese right now and have been having a blast learning how to write Kanji. Thanks for the video! Def will be getting one of these.

Thanks!

I like fineliner pens and felt-tip pens for any kind of writing. There are even felt-tip pens with a fine calligraphy tip. However, my hanzi doesn't even look close as pretty as yours, and usually my writing is not ugly. But I guess that's just practice, as I concentrate more on speaking and reading Chinese atm. There is only so much time, and with Chinese there are a lot of things to learn.

@ABChinese

2 жыл бұрын

It definitely takes time🥵 I practiced for 2 months before making this video

You always make very great, very informative videos. Keep going! My favorite is pencil, the old fashioned one. But the disadvantage is you have to sharpen all the time, so the pencil does not last long….

Sir, I don't know what goals you've set for the future, but after watching and subscribing, I predict you'll have your pick in any business, law, or education field in the United States. Your energy and communication are vibrant and seem effortless. Shoot the moon.

I'll get to it...after decades of learning tones and vocabulary.

Beautiful video. Thank you for all your effort you put in these... they are very worth it! You touched a tough matter... Btw, do you know sth about the history of writing chinese more specifically why their writing system remained one based on characters rather than letters?

Well that explains why my handwriting looks terrible when I write with a ballpoint pen, and why it feels so uncomfortable. I thought it was just because I'm not used to it but it turns out even people with a pretty handwriting have trouble making ballpoint pens work nicely. After a while I switched to a mechanical pencil for quick notes and a cheap fountain pen for exams and for writing practice and it's been working great for me.

@DinnerForkTongue

3 ай бұрын

Aye, when writing hanzi with a BP pen, the most you can hope for is legibility. Aesthetics go out the window. Me, I just use a pencil for basically everything.

I never even considered that my choice of open might be an issue. Thanks for showing me otherwise! Now to find some decent gel pens...

Also beautiful handwriting by the way. Congratulations. Any tips for the best pens for 行书？

great video. I write with a Pentel Sign Pen "touch" for kanji, a Papermate Flain medium that is similar and I like much the super economic and simple Tratto Pen (made in Italy), fine and perfect for writing and to learn

The best Material to wright hanze ist called wen Feng se bao ..... They are brush,ink ,inkstone and paper.....the Beauty and meaning from Chinese caracters stay in the use from this traditional way of writhing. Try it and you will see.....

你好 very useful guide 谢谢 🥰

Best can be found in art supplies stores only. It's a variety of felt-tip pen but the tip is more like a brush the tip can bend a little bit like a brush

That's true!! But if we are left handed... 😅... Love your videos💖, I'm expecting more... 💖

I use Pentel "brush character" sign pen. They have flexible tip like a brush which makes them hugely dynamic. They come in a range of sizes and the thin ones are much easier to control and I move up to the thicker ones for more impressive strokes. They are very cheap although I don't know if they are available outside of Japan.

I love dip pens (nib pens, dip nibs, pen nibs, whatever you may know them as) for their satisfying, scratchy, very personalizeable feel. You can get some extremely dynamic strokes, whatever specific amount of ink you want, where you want, and you don't have to suffer through choosing how thick the line is for every single character with just the choice of pen.

I'm personally a fan of the Kuretake No. 7 felt-tip pen. It's cheap, designed for writing Chinese characters with good line variation, yet very fine compared to most brush pens or felt-tipped pens. Among all felt-tip pens, I prefer this because whereas most are designed disposable, this is designed with cartridges and I can swap the ink out for one that I prefer (as long as the ink doesn't contain precipitate or residue)

With regard to pencils, a softer graphite will allow for more dynamic strokes and darker lines. The higher B value results in a pencil that writes smoother lines and needs less pressure.

I noticed you just wrote the lyrics of 记得 from 林俊杰 👍👍👌 我特别喜欢哪一首歌❤️ thanks for the video

@ABChinese

2 жыл бұрын

Yes！❤️

This should have more likes

I use the pencil for my writing study of japanese because is all of I've. But I want try use a gel pen because the kanjis looks very cool.

Pentel touch brush sign pen SES 15, my favorit option! ✨

Very interesting video. Thanks for that. I am very jealous of your handwriting. I am left handed and have learned that it is very difficult to write acceptable Chinese characters with your left hand, no matter how hard you try, or whatever kind of writing tool you use. I found the gel pen works best, just as you said, but it is still a far cry from your writing. But I will keep trying.

@ABChinese

2 жыл бұрын

😞Unfortunately Chinese characters were designed for right handed writing, there’s no way around that

@mayanlogos92

2 жыл бұрын

Oh... you should try and learn to write with your right hand... how much hard can it be to be able to write at least some strokes with your right hand... This is the first time I feel really like I can write with my right hand

I've also noticed that pencils also make handwriting more stylized, I don't know but sometimes I opt to write with pencil because of that.

I AM A HIGHER MOTHER TONGUE STUDENT. LEARNING CHINESE MY WHOLE LIFE. And this dude's handwriting makes my handwriting look like a chicken scratch

@Jx0592

2 жыл бұрын

Samee

I've been using 0.5mm gel pens, but I think 0.38mm had worked best for me because I tend to write on the small side. Writing anything large feels too clunky and ugly, personally. I've used 0.3mm before, but it's so fine/sharp that it actually felt like it was scoring through the paper while I was writing, and actually tore through the page when I tried to write over mistakes for corrections (frequent habit of mine).

I'm not learning Chinese but if you made a 10 hour video of writing the characters and teaching something, I'd watch it whole.

pilot P500，这个笔确实不错，我们的中考高考都几乎用的这个，快成为专用笔了。

Agree I prefer 0.7 personally too

好厉害，这字写的确实好看！

@ABChinese

2 жыл бұрын

谢谢！我还在继续练习呢🤓

I will start using Pencil from now. Gel pen while it is great usually expensive, some people might not afford those in my region.

Actually I tried all the ones you showed on the video, and actually the most I like and didn’t mention, is a uniball signo needle 0.38.

As a japanese learner it really helped me Now I can write kanji characters and not get confused from a single stroke....hehe Edit : Thank you btw

Is it true that you can obviously tell when a left-handed person writes Chinese characters (because the strokes don’t look correct)? I’m still in the beginning stages of learning Chinese, but when I eventually start practicing writing, I’m wondering if I should force myself to learn right-handed.

@homohertz1530

2 жыл бұрын

左撇子也可以写中文啊，实际上用哪只手没有任何差别哦。

@user-zk9nd4fz2h

2 жыл бұрын

Dont mind the minor difference. The differences will be obviously only when you using brush pen to do some art works.

@5hs623

2 жыл бұрын

Nah, one of my best friends is left-handed and her writing is 100% better than me Seriously, not everyone writes as neat as this youtuber, I started writing chinese since I first went to kindergarten and my writing is nowhere near this guy's handwriting Just get the strokes right and as long as it is legible then it's ok Edit: sorry my English is horrible, I confused eligible and legible lol

@tanjunjie5588

2 жыл бұрын

hahaha rest assured bro. I'm a left hander. It's fine to write with left hand. The difference is just the way you maneuvre the strokes, not just in Chinese but as well other writings. Since the text runs from left to right, it's often that left-handers have to 'push' while writing; while for right-handers, they 'pull' to write. Right hander just have a better start to writing nicel y. So, don't feel inconfident, your writing is unique to you 😉

@tanjunjie5588

2 жыл бұрын

Oh and also, maybe it does have the potential to expose you as a left hander, but it's UNLIKELY if it's neat I guess. Who would even bother to check if it's a left hander anyways 😂

Don't forget marker pens, which are basically just markers but more for normal writing. Haven't used them for writing Chinese (maybe a little a long time ago) but in theory they are the most similar to calligraphy brushes.

CORRECTION: The practice grids are 1.5 cm tall, not 2 cm

Have you ever tried the calligraphy pens from brands like taobao? They have a small brush head. I like them the most.

I had no idea when I started with Chinese since I've never stood outside of romance languages. I knew something wasn't right with the ballpoint pen but since it was the one i always had used i thought it was me who had no pretty handwriting, until i was rant-writing to my friend and then i started to suspect my regular pen and a pencil didn't felt the same on my fingers, wrist and result. I ended up liking the pencil better because i didn't had to put that much pressure to write and stuff flowed better, then i tried somewhat flexible tip markers and i realized it was my favorite so far. NOW i know why and why i should keep on trying different ones, that brush like made a huge difference and realized it wasn't my handwriting but it really was the materials. Nonetheless, i can write pretty small and cute as possible with a ballpoint pen as a side effect of trying so much to write properly but i still find it way enjoyable with brush-like tips.

@AP-pk9gw

10 ай бұрын

Btw, thanks for sharing this info ❤ I bet there's some more people out there wondering why their characters doesn't look as the ones they see and knowing absolutely zero about pens like me.😅

@ABChinese

10 ай бұрын

No problem! Glad you found it helpful:)

@AP-pk9gw

10 ай бұрын

@@ABChinese oops, i meant the ballpoint pen instead of the rollerball pen, i bet u all were so confused, lol

So you can see how critical it is, here in Brazil you buy a regular pen, not a day goes by and it fails or the ink runs out.

I’m curious, what’s your opinion on felt tip pens? Personally I found that with a bit of practice and the right pen (many bleed wayyy too much) they write some of the best characters, honestly regardless of language.

Pencils also have another obvious advantage, which is that you can erase them. For practicing, i wouldn't usually erase, and i would just try rewriting the character, but for normal writing, it does come helpful.

I think the best pen for writing Chinese is... pencil, even in China children learn writing characters with pencils

@robinharwood5044

Жыл бұрын

Pencil is often too faint for those of us with less than perfect vision. (Also, to me it looks childish, because when I went to school we were expected to use ink (but not those new-fangled Biro things) from an early age. By the time we were 11 pencils were only for diagrams and drawings. )

I think your handwriting is quite good. It's just a little slow. We Chinese usually write very fast. In China, homework is usually very, very, very much. With such a thick paper, we can finish it in one night. Our holiday is usually two days, and two days are basically playing games. On the last night, we will be crazy to make up homework.

写的很好看！！ 😉

I can tell you which one is the best: Pilot Frixion. You can erase the ink when you're practicing.

dude ur handwriting is better than... i can say 90% of the native speakers

I use something called felt pen.

Could you do a tutorial on using the pinyin keyboard on phones? I’m trying to get good at memorizing pinyin on Duolingo by typing instead of tapping words

@ABChinese

2 жыл бұрын

I will put out a poll😉

I can watch you until forever when you write🤠

I was writing a page with a rollerball pen and I saw trough 5 pages so i think i am going to get a gel pen. Also where can I buy those exercise papers and are they good for Japanese aswel?

I was literally wondering about this topic this week. I’ve started practicing characters on paper, and it feels so much better, but I started noticing a stronger pen preference. To me, writing characters helps me to solidify the vocabulary.

@ABChinese

2 жыл бұрын

Yes! For sure, I always write new characters I learn, and if I get character amnesia, I’ll write it a few times to practice too

@phillipfoster4580

2 жыл бұрын

story time. In 2nd grade, I had a friend that was from Taiwan. I begged her to teach me the language. She eventually caved in, hand drew a grid, showed me one character (I think it was zhu ying) and told me to write it until it filled the page. In viewing your channel, the post on Skritter and what you said about writing on a grid instantly brought be back to this moment. I think this is the best way to do things

Id watch a whole video of you writing in chinese characters.

Im watching this video while I write in my chinese writing book using a very small pencil. Good experience if you ask me.

What about a fountain pen. Or a khat pencil

What do you think about brush pens?

What about felt tips?

What about Tombow Fudenosuke?

我是华人，您教的真好

정말 이쁘게 잘 썼어요! ^^ 👍👍👍

字写的好好看呀！有一个小imperfection是“有”字，它的下面不是“月”哦，“有”字的下面的第一笔是一竖，而不是一撇。Nice calligraphy! There is a small imperfections in your writing of the word 有. Its underneath part is not 月 exactly.

@ABChinese

2 жыл бұрын

哦是吗？我一直都以为下面是个月🥺

Any pen below 0.7 ,it's very rough and the feel is like cutting the paper while writing

I will say fountain pen, which costs like 20 - 30 dollars, and it's refillable, good for the environment as well. There's also fountain brush pen

Italic markers?

I've grew up with ballpen, then suddenly i have to go out of my country for study, i ended up in china. at that time i had only one ballpen with me so i was forced to use gel pen which i don't like. suddenly i was introduced roller ballpen which was a mess for me. after few moth of practice i feel more comfortable with 0.5mm roller ballpen then those ballpen. but i still can't get how do you make those dynamic stroke, can you make a new video just on stroke using 0.5mm pilot rollerball pen.

I would really make a case for fountain pens especially since the problems you stated for your rollerball pen section have far more to do with paper quality than any inherent property of the pen (America has the worst standard paper pretty much in existence.) At the end of the day fountain pen ink comes in basically every imaginable colour and style and you can fine tune your nib over time if need be since most cheaper pens have replaceable nibs. Overall a cheap (but good) FP + good paper and ink will not only save you money in the long run of ink costs but also provide the most flexibility in terms of your personal preference in terms of pressure sensitivity, paper feel, and end result of your characters besides at around $10 for a good pen or $2 for disposable ones (that are easy to modify and make reusable) FPs aren't some exclusive luxury item and are 1000% worth the effort to learn to use

@ABChinese

2 жыл бұрын

Do you have a recommendation? I didn’t include them because they’re not mainstream, but I do want to try them… and brushes too:)

@coldfire774

2 жыл бұрын

@@ABChinese the pilot varsity is a really good disposable one although it can't be reused very effectively. Otherwise for non disposable the pilot metropolitan is the most often recommend since it's very robust but personally I use the tswibi eco which is a bit more expensive but easier to fill and maintain properly. Either uses japanese sizing so I'd look into what works best for you but a medium should be good for video purposes. I would also recommend getting either Clairefontaine (rhodia) paper or tomoe river paper as they'll be able to handle the flow of brush pens, fountain pens, and rollerballs far better. They aren't too much more expensive than regular paper if you buy loose leaf bulk.

@ABChinese

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, I’ll look into it!

@edwardfowble9429

2 жыл бұрын

I’d be interested in an encore episode covering fountain pens and brush pens.

@thallium54

2 жыл бұрын

Yes fountain pen is what you will use if you go to calligraphy class in China. It’s no doubt the best for calligraphy as it’s really good at creating dynamic strokes.

i am surprised nobody mentioned that he is writing 记得 lyrics in this video yet....

fountain pens from Japanese brands like pilot, sailor and platinum are quite good for hanzi writing, while lamy is not very good even many of my Chinese friends recommend it

haha if only I ever write chinese this good after my elementary years in China, all I remember was my messy speedy note taking handwriting afterwards