Let's Go Riders this is the START of a MASSIVE motor test I hope you like it...

I rode my 2021 Giant Trance-E+ for the first time a couple days ago and it was amazing, I kept it on the first and second level of assistance for the entire ride, it has so much power is unbelievable. I can't wait to ride it again. A side note: If your riding friends don't have e-bikes they will hate you hahaha

@SamsBikes

2 жыл бұрын

Totally mate I was very impressed with my first few rides

I liked what you did here and you do a good job giving realistic advice without too much bias. I love my Yamaha and on my new Reign the power is noticeably consistent as the gradient increases. It really saves my legs on long technical climbs out here in Lake Tahoe.

@SamsBikes

2 жыл бұрын

Sweet mate thanks for the kind words

Good Job!!! Love your content. This new PWX3 is rocking! On a side note, your sadel look low when you are climing, probably and optic illusion with the camera but it look like you could raise it.

Sam, love the test, but you know how I feel about these "speed" tests. I'm much more interested in the next vid comparing battery efficiency. Watts/Mile or Miles/Watt. You choose. With all the ebikes me and buds have, the Bosch wins efficiency every time. I can ride the same mileage with a 500wh battery, when all my friends have to use 625wh or more. Of course gearing and overall weight do make a massive difference. Keep that in mind when you're testing. Good luck.

Great video Sam. I’ll be buying my first e mtb soon, and you’ve already changed my mind about what I’m going to buy. Great stuff.

Sam Great video as always. I look forward to the range test.

Sam: Thanks for another great video! Really like the back to back comparison rides as the characteristics of each motor really stand out. These are "e"-MTB's to the motor is a key part and you could clearly show the difference between the motors in the lap time up the hill. I have a Intense Tazor's with Shimano 7000 (60Nm) and EP8 (85Nm) and the EP8 does not feel like it has 30% more torque than the 7000 but both motors feel less torquey than the Brose 2.2 in my '22 Levo Expert or the Bosch CX4 in my '21 Trek Rail 7. The belt drive in the Brose is very quiet with no gear lash movement/noise. Have not ridden the new Giant motor (very limited availability) but the 1.4 sec quicker hill climb time is interesting. I wonder if the same motor in the Yamaha Moro Pro is just as powerful or perhaps Giant's software is using more of the battery/motor power and giving up a little range? Since part of your climb was at the limit of assist (25 kph) is is possible the Giant motor was going giving full power right up to 25 kph or a little beyond while others had already scaled back the assist just below 25 kph?

@SamsBikes

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate it was a lot of work but very interesting, the syncdrive is a pwx3 motor but just giants software it would be interesting to put them back to back and see how different they are! I personally think it was the full suspension that got the win but all 3 motors are fantastic

This will be my first e-bike, I’ve demonstrated a YT Decoy with the older e8000 motor which I found plenty quick enough in eco and trail. My new bike is the Rise H15, still with Shimano but EP8 this time, although with power reduced to 60nm. For me I’m not bothered it’s not full power, it’ll be way easier than leg power alone 😁

thanks Sam, great testing. I found that the EP8 needs smaller gearing and of course high cadence when on the power to stay gassing.

@SamsBikes

2 жыл бұрын

Totally agree mate

Hello Sam from Barcelona (Spain). I have a Megamo Crave 05 AL with the Shimano EP8, it's true this motor is not the more powerful but it's very quiet and nice natural sensation when you pedaling, it seems a bike without motor, i'm very happy with de EP8 and his range with de 630wh battery.

YesSiRr!! Well done Mate... awesome job. I really like the Giant bike so I'm glad it held up pretty good against them other ones. Thankz again for sharing.... like I said... really appreciate the effort you put in to bring us these tests. Look forward to watching the NEXT installment...Take Care and Stay Safe out there..

@SamsBikes

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate for the kinda words it really is so much work but very interesting at the same time...

I have Giant Fathom 2 Pro E+ with the customized Yamaha PW-X2 and 2 Cubes Reaction Hybrid Pro 625 and Stereo Race Hybrid 625 with Gen4 Bosch. The Giant feels stronger from start but the Bosch is generally the better motor for EMTB. Can’t wait to test the Yamaha PW-X3

Good stuff.. Im loving my Rise. put a 170 shock up front and a bigger coil on back to get 163... great feel so far.

@SamsBikes

2 жыл бұрын

Wow beast mode

Sam you have got to try EUC electric unicycle, I'm an emtb guy & mtb but EUC has blown my mind and changed my concept of adventure. Dude try it, this will blow your E mind

Just been out on my giant reign e 0+ bloody awesome bike..🤘

Nice test, thanks Sam!

@SamsBikes

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks

Giant/Yamaha is looking really good 👍 this year both in aesthetics and performance. Nice to see another choice in the ebike market.

@SamsBikes

2 жыл бұрын

Could not agree with you more the reign is a beast for the money 💰 the only question mark I had was the motor not anymore

You definitely put some work in that, nice job 2 thumbs up.

@SamsBikes

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Rider

Thanks Sam really interesting👍😉

Hey Sam, love your stuff and enthusiasm. Can you get a Pollini motor and test it, would really like to see how it compares power and noise wise. Also rig Schwalbe and same tyre setups on all. Plus, factor in an allowance for the weight of each, ie s works is carbon frame and wheels, right?

Hello Sam, Great analogy of the E Bike motors. I like you have to lean toward the Bros. It is truly quiet and a great motor.Jg

@SamsBikes

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks 🙏 John! I have the agree the brose is a beast

Got so lucky. With my Banana Boat Yellow Turbo Levo base alloy. That I bought, the day they put on the floor after building her. Such a steallllll.

Tyre pressures, rear lockout, wheel size, gear used... A lot of variables that will influence the result big time. And the Giant locks the suspension on climbs

Great test Sam

Hey Sam interesting test, It would be interesting to hear what gearing(chainring/rear cog/we know the wheel size) you were using. The bikes probably have different size chainrings and the steps on shimano vs sram cassettes are different. So at a test this short just a slight difference in gearing can have a significant impact. I have a Reign E+1 2022 and can confirm the constant power delivery in very high cadences. Although I hate the Auto mode...it does nothing...just stays in mode 4 all the time(flat, uphill, downhill...) I think Giant totally fucked up with this firmware...

Nice tests at end can you find out repair and servicing for motors ie how easy,costs and reliable big ask but I’m sure it would be on peoples minds

Great video mate, thank you. I was wondering if you could ever test commuter bikes as well, like, Canyon Precede ON CF 9 or 8, Specialized Turbo Vado 5, Trek Allant+ 9.9S, SCOTT Silence eRIDE EVO Speed Bike, etc. Also the difference between traditional gearing systems and Enviolo system, like how do they compare in real life riding. There are a lot of us that we are not able to judge and decide because we don't have access to those bikes. We would appreciate it. Thanks again

@SamsBikes

2 жыл бұрын

I’ll give it a try

I recall telling you that I really liked Yamaha PW-X2, looks like the Giant's version of X3 is even better. The older Yamahas faded a bit too early at higher cadences, but they have been improving at each version jump.

@SamsBikes

2 жыл бұрын

Yep totally Timo they have definitely improved over the last model

That Trek looks really good.

IMHO the most important for funny ride uphill in terrain (not just flat gravel road) isn't the maximum power on turbo mode. It's the way how the system can support you in tricky situations. For example that's why riders with Bosch system use the perfect and clever eMTB power mode most of the time.

Idea of a test are e-bikes, such as the Scott Patron, where you can manually lock, or partially lock, the suspensions. See how much difference it makes on speed or range.

Great vid mate!

@SamsBikes

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate

Great vid Sam. The Yamaha / Giant motors never seem to get much recognition compared to the other 3. I've had the Haibike Allmtn7 with the Yam PWX2 for over a year now and the Torgue delivery is brilliant throughout the cadence range :-)

@SamsBikes

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate it was very interesting for me!!!

@lukasvrana6388

2 жыл бұрын

Haibike Nduro 7 is now at the top of my list for the ebike

I have an ep8 on a Merida e160:10k. Frustrating that it’s has less power but biggest issue is range. We did a 42km ride with 1600m climbing, two shimanos two trek rails. The treks could use tour plus on much of the ride where as I only just got back with 2 k range in eco the whole way. So it’s a double edged sword. It’s almost like the ep8 was rushed into production. The ep feels better but frankly that pales if you are running out and being left behind. Had I been buying now with what I have learnt it would be bosch or specialised, I wouldn’t even consider an ep8

His pedaling cadence is about 115 rpm on the Giant, 105 rpm on the others. This likely means his human power is a bigger contributor to total power via the tendency for human power output to increase with cadence in that range. His cadence can be estimated by watching his right knee rise, and counting reps against duration of time; please check my numbers with a stopwatch.

@SamsBikes

2 жыл бұрын

Wow he is a person and is reading this comment! You need to get out and ride more mate! You try abs ride all 4 bikes twice with the same effort. It really makes me wonder why I even do this, with these types of comments

@emergingit

2 жыл бұрын

@@SamsBikes I think it's fair to say the setups on the bikes are a factor. Simkinetics comment re cadence is his observation which is fair enough not sure why you came back like that Sam? What do you mean by "Wow he is a person"? Doesn't make sense?

@m3drivr

2 жыл бұрын

@Sim I think that your assumptions are not correct either. Bike geo, weight play a big role in putting the power down as well as each motor’s sweet cadence spot. The Giant has the longest stays of the group, which allows it to put the power down when climbing. I read somewhere that actually the cadence sweet spot for this motor is lower, in the 70s? In these tests, rider variability is a given (fatigue level etc.). Sam might be spinning faster since there was more traction with the Giant or he was in a higher gear. A more exact test would have to be a test with the same base geo (a bike with the ability to swap all motors in) and 30 min breaks in between each run. Or we go just base it off the bench #s. Rob emtb had a review. In his, the PWX3 came in 3rd but the Reign has shorter stays. But all 3 top motors (Bosc, Brose, Yamaha) were all within spitting distance of each other. Both reviews confirm that the EP8 was the odd motor out. Either way, @ Sam, thanks for doing this! It looked like lots of sweat and tears out there! The EP8 is one reason I didn’t consider the Heckler, even the new Canyon. It’s a weaker motor, with albeit questionable battery cell quality (based on rider feedback). I’m guessing that’s why Canyon put in a 900 whr battery to offset any range doubts (they must be locked in EP8 for quite a while).

The sound of motors partly comes down to the frame it's been fitted into and any casing that manufacturer puts over the motor,part of the reason some overheat..my bike has the Bosch gen4 it's never missed a beat and pulls like a tank and mine has never sounded like that one very quiet and it's done 1400 miles..I am looking at getting a fantic they use the brose motor which also has good rep...the brose motor in the test went from whinney to near silent which surprised me but then it is known for being really quiet...so for me the Bosch and the brose are the best 1 I know 1st hand experience the other has a really good reputation...fair play for doing the test at 9.30am Christ I'd be puking after the first 2...☺️👍👍..

@SamsBikes

Жыл бұрын

Haha thanks mate it was a nasty morning

Sam do you think you can do this test again with the same tyres on all the bikes?

If you can compare a Rocky poweray with the dyname 4.0, it would be great!

I also like to see more manufacturers using polini motors

@SamsBikes

2 жыл бұрын

We need to get that motor to test...

I wonder which motors are easiest to service? An ebike motor repair mechanic told me that some motors are simply a nightmare/impossible to service due to its design/software while others are more repair-friendly. I wonder if companies will make it easier for 3rd party repair shops to fix motors. One day, I'll get an e-bike lol :)

Interesting comparison. I would be interested to see how these motors compare during a more technical hill climb scenario. Something approaching the level of an EWSE power stage. I think the winner may be different. Another interesting piece of info could be the speed that these motors actually stop providing assistance. My Bosch bike stops at 25kph whilst my Giant with PWX3 cuts assist at 22 and is hard to pedal through. Another thing I noticed Bosch vs Yamaha is that during a gear change scenario where you need to slightly back off or where you are increasing speed during climbing and change to a harder gear, the Yamaha drops the assistance noticeably and requires a bit more rider effort to get the cadence back up. Bosch manages to keep it much smoother and makes it a faster more satisfying motor in that scenario.

@danielturcan4685

Жыл бұрын

I think you should check your Giant, I can hear the motor on my Reign up until 26.5/27 km/h. From what I've read your bike might be in the DEMO/Show mode, which limits the speed for assist a bit lower. There are 2 ways to turn it on/off depending on the year of the bike, something related to pressing the light button 5 times. If you still have the bike and it behaves the same reply here and I'll look up the page in the instructions about how to turn it off.

u sound tired even before starting on the Commencal eP8, its on 27.5 plus aluminum frame, cud of started on the eP8 pedal assist motor first or second in my opinion but overall interesting video lol Full Powered eMTBs for me

Sam, I’m going to throw this out: Which motor is the most “battery efficient”? It’s pretty well reported that the EP8 is not the most torquey motor, but that doesn’t mean much in the real world IF it produces enough quality torque (power). As an example, on the LevoSL, I rarely run it in high range, and usually just in ECO. I get great battery life, at least 6 hrs on gnarly trails. Now, I’m considering the Yeti 160E mainly because I really like Yeti’s in general. If they made a 160E SL, thats the bike I would buy. I don’t want the extra weight or power. So, going back to the EP8, is there a way you could calculate motor efficiency? How well (evenly) the torque is applied is probably more important to me than ultimate power, since I would not be racing an EMTB. Let me know your thoughts and insights.

@emtbtrailrider539

2 жыл бұрын

I luv my SC BULLIT with Shimano EP8 but it doesn't feel as good as Spesh Brose motors fo sure, and I got a Yeti 160e on order because I luv the sixfinity suspension and I know it will be a great fit for my riding. No way I cud get a 35 nm of torque motor, its all Full Powered, and I use up all my 630 watt hour battery and I'm pretty much completely drained for the day.

I still have the e8000 and compared to riding the ep8 I feel it seems to have similar power even though rated at only 70nm. Power delivery is more progressive on the ep8 which may be why it seems to lessen the feel. Still underpowered compared to the others. Mine is in the YT and bike handles fantastic. Full fox factory. I do notice the lacking power compared to friends better powered bikes.

Not comparable setups: eMTB: price, weight, material: Specialized S-Works Turbo Levo: $15k, 22.04kg, carbon Mondraker Crafty Carbon XR: $13k, 23.1kg, carbon Giant Trance X Advanced E+: $9.5k, 23.06kg, carbon Commencal Meta Power SX: $6.7k, 24.6kg, aluminum Find the lightest eMTB per motor brand, with best components and compare them. Best bang for buck by far would be the Meta Power SX, next one in price is almost $3k. Instead of the Meta add for example the Heckler or Bullit, then you have a fair ultra premium emtb motor comparison.

@SamsBikes

2 жыл бұрын

Yep I agree but I did mention that it was just interesting for me to try

Haibike/Spitszi Ng m1???

My bike is a 23 stance E+2 . 75.n.m. How much more noticeable is the 85 n.m. giant?

Good testing; but, I am still hung up on my Levo SL with no where near the power of the tested bikes.

I wouldn't take much from this test for so many reasons. A more technical climb what would be interesting but with different bikes using different motors it will also be hard to gauge. We know the Shimano is the least powerful because everyone reports this. As for the other motors I would like to know reliability and range as these are motivating factors. The Bosch has the best reputation out there and the new Yamaha motor is a great new player but tied to Giant like the Brose is to Specialized.

Nice test, thank you for the work :) Just add some engines for ultimate comparison: normal Yamaha (PW-X3), Dyname 4.0 and maybe Flyon (but not sure - m8 its discontiuted). Also looking foward the range test. Have a nice weekend!!!

@SamsBikes

2 жыл бұрын

Definitely I would love to try them all but it’s so hard to get my hands on them all!

TQ???

Well Sam you already know what i'm going to say ,,,,,,,, SACHS! i have a bosch and a Sachs and i have tested both on the same hill near my house and the results weren't even close . the sachs destroyed the bosch .

The Giant is a trail bike it’s going to be faster?

Wish I could see this with the 20mph/32kph limiter we have in USA.

I wonder if the Giant isn’t limited at 32km… that would mean a lot

Everywhere I look the EP8 gets its ass kicked. :( good job I think my next bike is going to be a light weight lower assist model. I hardly ever use more than eco.

I have a 2022 Giant Reign E+, my wife has a 2021 Merida E160 (EP8). 2 very similar mullet bikes running the same tyres but hers are Maxx Grip, mine are Maxx Terra. In a race up our driveway last night which is about 70m long and between 1 in 3 and 1 in 4 in slope we got to the top neck to neck - there was literally nothing in it. Not sure what this proves……

Tbh having a "faster" motor one of the least important things on an emtb. Ride quality beats everything.

TQ?????

Embn did a test with 25km vs 32Km although didn’t including jumping. Fill the void Sam and do a comparison.

Sam, any opinions on the EP8 high spindle failure rate with E13 cranks. I've even heard of XT cranks coming off and breaking the EP8 spindle. Not very confidence inspiring

Please test the Polini

@SamsBikes

2 жыл бұрын

I’m trying

Gotta use that Schwalbe sponsor for control tires. Too much variables here.

@SamsBikes

2 жыл бұрын

Actually I wasn’t allowed to change the tires on the two test bikes

Love Yamaha Quality

You are surprised the Giant/Yamaha was so good?... and you credit the auto suspension. I don't understand the disrespect (in general media buzz) for the Yamaha motors. I am a big fan of them, riding various Haibike/Yamaha combinations since 2016. Always thrilled with their performance and never a problem. Here in the USA, the smaller and smaller Haibike presence severely limits our choices to buy a premium eMTB with a Yamaha. Giant looks real good. I am looking forward to hearing what GasGas /Raymon has in store for 2022. I am disappointed the Yamaha YDX-Moro Pro is a lower spec bike, but still may buy one for what I believe is the best motor. Why is Yamaha losing market share?

@SamsBikes

2 жыл бұрын

Ron the old Yamaha was not as good as the bosch or brose or shimano but the new one really shocked me! I think Yamaha are real players now and nothing but respect ✊ it’s better than the ep8 and as good as the brose and bosch

Which one is quietest? For some, that is the critical question. Me? I can never live with a Shimano, even the 'improved' 801.

@SamsBikes

2 ай бұрын

Check this new video out kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZJ2kyNKaopengrQ.htmlsi=YguyDuzHTnWuLHQr

Without the Rocky Mountain PowerPlay it s not a complet test race

Bafang G510 would wipe the floor on all these with power and speed.

No entiendo como no se prueban los motores de una forma sencilla, una subida de 500mts al 20%y a si sabemos cual tiene más potencia real en subida ,el cronómetro no engaña 🔋⏱️

Rocky Mountain Dyname 4.0?

@SamsBikes

2 жыл бұрын

I’m trying

Unlock/upgrade the controllers & restart. That’s something worth watching @samsbikes

Rocky mountain 108 nm

1:00 attach a macrophone? What's a macrophone?

@SamsBikes

Жыл бұрын

It’s a rode but I’ve not changed to DJI mics amazing

@zalle1

Жыл бұрын

@@SamsBikes it was a joke on your accent 🤣🤣 pretty cool though

@SamsBikes

Жыл бұрын

@@zalle1 hahaha ok thanks

I have yamaha and bosch, yamaha more economic for battery and quite, bosch very aggressive :)

paahhh, the noise is different after the initial grease on the gears has worked out of the teeth.

Not really comparable as you have two alloy frames which will weigh a bit more.

You missed a rocky mountain here, maybe who knows!!!!!!

Il faut comparer à minimum avec la paire de roue et poid équivalent.

Sam why is No one looking at Dyname Specifically in the Rocky Mountain Ebikes 109 Newton meters of torque. Hands-down in my opinion the best motor of the E bikes and no has No comparisons.

@SamsBikes

2 жыл бұрын

I have emailed them a few times no reply’s.

and the winner is....... the Dyname motor by Rocky Mountain.

impossible to compare it this way, there are too many variables. Would only be possible withe the exact same bike with different motors.

@SamsBikes

2 жыл бұрын

Ok you supply the bikes and I’ll do the test! Haha mate I try my best to give what I can

stick a dongle on it they can get up to 35mph on my bosch cx

You were pushing much harder in the Levo.. not a fair test.

@SamsBikes

2 жыл бұрын

And the giant won? Haha ok maybe I really needed a power meter next time I’ll get one and keep my leg power the same

2 wheels 27,5 less diameter vs 29=10/20 cm less around wheel,in 10 meters lose 1/2 meter en 50 m lose 5/10meter with 100 meters lose 10/20 meter with 250 meter lose 25/50meters= more time .The test need all wheels 29 and 180mm comparison.

I think you should introduce more variables into your head to head tests. 🤦🏻‍♂️

@SamsBikes

2 жыл бұрын

Haha I know right but better than nothing I think!

Looks like Polini it’s the fastest motor at the moment.

@SamsBikes

2 жыл бұрын

I need to test that motor bad

@themtbproject1422

2 жыл бұрын

@@SamsBikes i have a couple of friends that are racing on fulgur bikes with Polini and they are telling me it’s a killer combo. Try to get your hands On that bike , I Would be interested in y Your opinion .

Yamaha motor was crazy fast. Wasn’t my pick at all.

I don’t understand how Shimano can get so behind

@SamsBikes

2 жыл бұрын

yep not sure I have never been very impressed by the EP8

@philseton5796

2 жыл бұрын

The probelm is that to claim 85nm the motor only needs to make it at one cadence not at all cadence.

@richardpithouse

2 жыл бұрын

I went from pivot shuttle with ES7000 to Santa Cruz Bullit with EP8. I honestly didn't notice much difference. Then I saw a review that pointed out how bad at climbing the bullit is (climbing geo hadn't really been a consideration with ebikes until then...). However bike geo should not be under estimated. Bikes which are a pig to climb aren't going to do as well in tests no matter what the motor. I know such a test is not very practical as you can't switch motors between brands. And don't expect the EP8 to suddenly come out on top, I don't think it's that great, but possibly the difference would be less.

@chickenclips

2 жыл бұрын

having owned the yamaha and a spez brose I can say the EP8 is not a motor that one just gets on and rides like the others. I have ridden the Bosch too. The EP8 needs some finesse and figuring out. Once you learn how she likes to be ridden it's quite nice. I find that the EP8 likes the smaller gears and power from your legs. It''s not very fond of overrun

@UnimpressedAussie

Жыл бұрын

@@chickenclips "I find that the EP8 likes the smaller gears and power from your legs." - must be why I like it. i just need some help (cancer/chemo = weak), but I don't see the point in getting a bike that does ALL of the work for me... if I wanted that Id just get a motorcycle.

Uhhh...none of'em are faster than the Rocky Mountain Dyname 4.0.

None of the above. Dyname all day long. Ride a Rocky Mountain Powerplay once and you'll never turn back.

Sigh,,,,,this emphasis on power and speed is not helpful. These kind of reviews rattle the e-bike marketers to push their engineers to focus on packing in power and speed to the detriment of other criteria that would make e-mountain bikes practical for long bike packing trips away from the grid. Yes, long distance, multi-day bikepacking is very important for the sustainable future of e-mountain bikes. The reason is that the power and speed emphasis is encouraging riding behavior that doesn't mix well with non-motorized activities such as hiking, horses, and un-assisted MTB. In other words e-mountain bikes may end up getting banned from places where they had been previously mixing in with all other types of non-boosted users. What about encouraging criteria for smaller motors that provide assistance when needed without so much motor drag and extra bike weight that the bike is a pig unless the motor is active.

@SamsBikes

2 жыл бұрын

What last weeks videos it’s on range

Video title : 'Which Is FASTEST?' Actual video : 4:52 'We are not going out of the limiter in any of these tests'. Thanks for the waste of time, guys. You're making a whole video of telling which restricted motor is the fastest, ... when the speed limit you refuse to exceed is 25 Km/H, anyway ... So, I guess, by your standards, all of these motors should be equally as fast, since they can all reach 25 Km/H. What about actually going fast ? What about removing the ridiculous limiter and doing a proper test, either on a private road or by slapping a license plate on the bikes, so it's legal to ride them at a faster pace ? After all, it's supposed to be a speed test - not a 'I refuse to go faster' test.

@SamsBikes

2 жыл бұрын

I’ll try better next time Jack

All lame compared to Rocky Mountains 108NM torque motor.

@SamsBikes

2 жыл бұрын

I need to try it!

@tastytechaddictsmtb

2 жыл бұрын

@@SamsBikes It will climb what other bikes cant, big time !

Yamaha and Bafang? Nothing?

@MTBTrailsAroundSurrey

2 жыл бұрын

The Giant is the Yamaha PWX3 motor, with Giant's software

@SamsBikes

2 жыл бұрын

Bafang?? na bro what good bike can you buy it in? Giant SyncDrive is the PW-3 with Giants software..

@Rorzzer123

2 жыл бұрын

In all seriousness you make yourself look pretty silly dismissing the new Bafang M510 with your above comment. You’re basically just straight up saying that you’re biased. “What good bike can you buy it in”? Literally dozens of really nice carbon frames available for the M510…

@NMTDevastator

2 жыл бұрын

I think he means complete bikes. Most e bike buyers aren’t gonna build up from a frame.

@Rick6EG

2 жыл бұрын

​@@Rorzzer123 Sorry but he's right, no major brand is using the Bafang motor...pretty much nobody is riding that motor on the trails as it's not available on the regular market. We're not saying the motor is crap, we're saying the extreme poor availability render a comparison useless.

1. Bosch and Brose 3. Yamaha 4. Shimano

@SamsBikes

2 жыл бұрын

Yep 👍 if I was racing I think it would be bosch first then brose or giant second need to test the giant more

looks like you rated them all 1st and 2nd. Not helpful. They should be rated 1,2,3,4,5, etc. don't rate them all the same. I wasted 3 min watching your video.

@SamsBikes

2 жыл бұрын

Sorry 😞 your not happy i would be happy to give you a full refund

Sam, I know that its hard to find content to make new videos. However, does it really mean a pinch of goat shit as to what your electric leg does? Main thing is how far and for how long without breaking. The bike world is full of dicks that chase the latest fad or fashion, pay through the nose for shit, looking to chip their bikes to get more power advantage or the flashest shorts to impress their boy/girl friend. Ride for fun in fun locations and screw the other crap.

@SamsBikes

2 жыл бұрын

Next week full range test and full motor break down! This was a little click baity I know but still interesting for me to do abs it hurts haha