I'm gonna wright my own opinions on the matter before watching the video, and then I'll add a section depending on if the video adds some insight that I hadn't considered or didn't know about. They can both carry about the same number of dismounts, although getting out of the BMP-3 is a bit more awkward than getting out of the Bradley, so I think the Bradley comes out ahead by a bit in troop carrying. In terms of anti-personnel firepower the BMP-3 is the clear winner. That 100mm gun, particularly when paired with an ABHE round, is extremely deadly to infantry in the open, in trenches, and in buildings. In terms of anti-tank firepower, I have to give the edge to the Bradley. The BMP-3 fires its ATGMs from the 100mm main gun, which limits the diameter of the ATGMs it can fire to just 100mm. The Bradley has no trouble firing the much more powerful 152mm TOW missile. I'm a bit torn, but overall I think I have to give the edge to the BMP-3. The awkwardness of dismounting from the BMP-3 shouldn't matter most of the time, since troops shouldn't normally be dismounting while in contact with the enemy. The deficient anti-tank firepower of the BMP-3 is a problem, but I think tanks and infantry anti-tank teams can pick up the slack on that. The 30mm autocannon gives it plenty of anti-light-armor firepower. And that 100mm gun absolutely wrecks infantry, especially if it is paired with an ABHE round. Obviously it depends a bit on the threat environment. I've assumed that anti-personnel firepower is more important than anti-tank firepower, since infantry are usually more common than tanks. But in an environment with more armor and less infantry I would rather have the TOW missiles of the Bradley backing me up than the 100mm gun of the BMP-3. Ok, those are my pre-video views. I'll edit in a post-video section in a bit. Edit: Ok the video says the Bradley can carry 6 dismounts to the BMP-3's 7 dismounts. My understanding was that the original M2 Bradley could only carry 6 dismounts, but that they found space for a 7th dismount in later variants. It's not surprising that the BMP-3 is faster, since it is lighter, but I am surprised that both appear to be immune to each other's autocannon fire from the front (I would have thought for sure that the BMP-3's weight savings would have come out of the armor). I'm not surprised that the Bradley has better communication equipment. I don't think my overall opinion has changed. I think I would still rather have the BMP-3 backing me up in an infantry dominated environment, and the Bradley backing me up in an armor dominated environment.

The Bradley has better sights including infra red (meaning it's far more likely to get the first shot off), a more modern electronics and comminications set-up as well as a proven anti-tank capability with its TOW missiles. All in all, I would much rather count on a Bradley than a BMP because with the Bradley you are much less likely to find out that half the ammo got traded for a supply of cigarettes and vodka.

@rinaldoman3331

Жыл бұрын

BMP-3 ATGM has the same capabilities as the TOW-2A and it can shoot from gun and with autoloader for 4s. And BMP-3 has 100mm HE shells which makes it 5-10 time better against Infantry than Bradley. BMP-3 frontal armor nearly same as M2A2 Bradley they all can stand against 30mm BR-6 AP shells and both cannot stand against BR-8 APDS. If BMP-3 will have good thermals and addon armor it will better than Bradley. 100mm gun is 100mm gun it's quite useful and of course 30mm coaxial autocannon. 100mm HE shells for BMP-3 only 10% worse than 125mm 3OF26 HE for T-72, T-64, T-80 and etc.

@davidputland5506

Жыл бұрын

@@rinaldoman3331 considering everything that is happening in Ukraine and the amount of lies that has exposed Russian equipment. I don’t believe anyone when they talk about effectiveness of Russian gear. It’s all bunk to me.

@rinaldoman3331

Жыл бұрын

@@davidputland5506 ... so USA lost in Afghanistan and Vietnam that means that US weapons absolutely trash?

@rinneganitachi4840

Жыл бұрын

@@davidputland5506 Considering US retreated from farmers in Afganistan and left the Taliban over 85 billion worth in weaponry and runed over civilians with transport planes bla bla bla bla

@roshanwadasinghe7294

Жыл бұрын

Hi nato troll

The BMP-3 was born out of a light tank prototype. It wasn't meant to be an IFV originally. That's why dismounts have to climb over the engine when entering and exiting.

@liammccaslin7911

Жыл бұрын

Ukrainian variants have a middle-mounted engine allowing for rear dismounts, but would have to check me on that one

@danieparriott265

Жыл бұрын

It was meant to be a "battle taxi" to take Russian Infantry across an NBC Warfare wasteland planned fore Western Germany ..... "7 Days to the Rhine" ... look it up ...

@kskeel1124

Жыл бұрын

​@@liammccaslin7911 I believe you are thinking of their BTR variant, the BMP3 went into service just before the fall of the USSR and I don't believe many were in Ukraine at that time if any...

@kskeel1124

Жыл бұрын

​@@liammccaslin7911 from what I just read the Ukrainians have 68 BMP3s all captured from Russian forces since the beginning of the war...

@DarmoeD88

Жыл бұрын

Что за бред? БМП это автобус для пехоты, который доставляет солдат. Ее работа это защита от пуль и осколков, и поддержка огнем. Низкая, маневренная. А мины, и РПГ уничтожат любую БМП. А теперь сравните их стоимость. Ненадо забывать, что война это ещё и экономическое противостояние.

The Bradley is still the better IFV! It should have always had a bigger main gun in my opinion but it still does the job effectively. She is a lot faster than 35mph by the way…lol!

@coryyoung7544

Жыл бұрын

They are upgrading it to a 50mm bushmaster but that still needs some tweaks.

@txvet7738

Жыл бұрын

@@coryyoung7544 that would be freakin awesome! A 50mm with a .50cal as the coax beside it!! That’s the best setup…lol!

@oneepicturtle9877

Жыл бұрын

False bmp wins

@winstonchurchill8491

Жыл бұрын

Depends on what your doing. Assaulting a large formation and need a lot of firepower? BMP3. Need a good defensive vehicle that can go hull down well? Bradley

@jamesferguson2353

Жыл бұрын

@@oneepicturtle9877 because you said so right

which is best will be determined by logistical support

In any conflict, especially in Ukraine, what weapons are ready and available are the best. BMP and Bradley both have similar functionality with minor differences. What would be a bigger deciding factor would be the crew and commanders' knowledge of how to use them properly. So in the Ukraine conflict, a modern BMP might very well be more effective than a Bradley even if it has better hardware although both have strengths and weaknesses in certain roles.

Why is it that there are more burnt Bradley shown in You Tube?Is it censorship of burnt Mp3?

BMP-3 looks good on paper but the bradley has been proven in war. Also, Bradley crews get more than twice the training time so I'm going with the Bradley.

@BaeBunni

Жыл бұрын

Doesn't help they are made in Russia. Just like t-34 of ww2, they aren't being made by highly skilled staff or automated factories so there is likely gonna be corners cut or poor construction to bring them down even further than one made in a proper factory.

@liammccaslin7911

Жыл бұрын

Bradley has been proven in one-sided armor conflicts. BMP has been proven in equally matched or even in disadvantageous conflicts in Ukraine. There's a reason its lasted so long and is so widely used. Ukraine also has factories designed for the BMP which makes them much easier to maintain and field, i think BMP is the winner hands down in the Ukrainian conflict from a logistics and crew experience standpoint

@kskeel1124

Жыл бұрын

They will be crewed by Ukrainians that just recently started training on them and have zero combat experience in them though...

@kskeel1124

Жыл бұрын

​@@BaeBunni you're joking right?

@kskeel1124

Жыл бұрын

​@@liammccaslin7911 BMP2 yes BMP3 no, but I do agree that BMP2 is a better fit for they're military just because they how to keep them working... But Bradley is the superior IFV hands down even compared to the BMP3 according to actual combat record, in Iraq the Bradley killed more Russian armor/vehicles than any other coalition vehicle with only a few combat losses... Russia has lost something like 200 BMP3s in the last year with 68 being captured by Ukraine...

The digital networking systems of the Bradley make all the other comparisons moot. It can receive precise information from infantry, drones, or other vehicles on the battlefield to detect the enemy first, shoot first, and kill first. The BMP-3 doesn't have anything like those capabilities, or the crew training needed to utilize them if it did.

@aitorbleda8267

Жыл бұрын

Agree. 1 on 1 the BMP3 is better, but lacks these features, so it would lose.

@danieparriott265

Жыл бұрын

@@aitorbleda8267 The only advantages the BMP (any of them) has over the Brad is that they are cheaper to produce or buy, so you can have more of them IF you have soldiers to man them ... and they are easier to hide because they are shorter .... but they lack decent sensors, optics, comms, etc... they were not designed to go 1 on 1 with American vehicles even when they were initially designed, but 10 to 1 ... "7 Days to the Rhine" .... "Throw Tac Nukes and Gas and Go and Keep Going" ... that was the strategy .... Buffalo the West into thinking they had lost ... without any thought that the West would respond in kind, cutting off any resupply of food, fuel (especially fuel) with their own Tac Strikes ... I was was there on the Czech Border at the end of the Warsaw Pact Pipedream in Summer 1989 .... just a couple months later, DDR citizens were walking through the border and walking past our War Deployment Area Positions .... saw that shit on TV as I was leaving Germany...

@kskeel1124

Жыл бұрын

The Bradley we will be sending to Ukraine will be the 90s-2000s models that have been sitting in storage in Germany since the 90s they will be pretty similar in tech capabilities to the newer Russian equipment...

@willl7780

Жыл бұрын

they are not getting our best...these are being pulled from storage..old stock

I was a Bradley Mechanic in the army, when our bradleys rolled into Baghdad they scored double the armor kills of the Abrams, to include BMP's, and soviet era tanks. bradleys that I may have worked on are currently heading there and I cant wait to see them eat russian armor.

@daverobertson-thedetails7362

Жыл бұрын

But those were with American crews who’d only trained with that

@oneepicturtle9877

Жыл бұрын

Unfortunately you will only be seeing bmps destroying bradleys

@roshanwadasinghe7294

Жыл бұрын

Tank vs tank ifv vs ifv kinda rare most things are killed by Arty and Atgms

@liammccaslin7911

Жыл бұрын

that however was a onesided conflict armor-wise. The Bradley has only operated with certain advantages that are not present in an equally matched conflict so its performance against a more well equipped and experienced enemy force or the experience levels of the crew using it would be the things at play here. The Bradley is new to both Ukranian crew and command so I think its doubtful it would drastically outperform a Ukrainian BMP which they are familiar with all things considered.

@angryfour-cylindertherapy5848

Жыл бұрын

@@liammccaslin7911 the Iraqis had home turf advantage, short supply lines and help from Iranian backed jihadis. We still spanked them.

On the way 50 CV90, just too few. CV90 version 4 is superior to old US M2 Bradley and Russian BMP-3. We'll see which version of CV90 Sweden is currently sending?

@jamesevans886

Жыл бұрын

That's this issue about the Ukraine as most people keep quoting capacities of the current versions of tanks and IFVs. They are not comparing what is actually being sent to Ukraine. On the Russian side there is a new version to the BMP-3 but it will not be sent to the Ukraine just like the T-14 as Putin would not want us getting an example to go over in the same way there is no chance of the M1A2 SEP4 ever being sent to this war. Just like in Syria people are forgetting that these tanks and IFVs being sent if poorly handled will be a wreck like any other vehicle currently their.

@leonardoorellano6652

Жыл бұрын

what happened with the Swedish neutrality policy and not sending arms to countries that is at war? you guys pull that one several times during the second world war too, right ?

@necrowarrior

Жыл бұрын

@@leonardoorellano6652 Maybe they're able to do so since it's considered a "Special Operation" by Russia rather than a war

@jamesevans886

Жыл бұрын

@@leonardoorellano6652 I think you should ask the Swedes for the answer. On a side note the parent company to the company making the CV-90 IS Finish.

@daniel931016

Жыл бұрын

I have read that Sweden is sending CV9040C (version 3 technology I think that is, with additional armor)

35mph? I've seen them do a LOT faster than that .... I was doing 35-40 in an empty (mostly) M548 on a highway in Germany in 1988 ... in convoy with an 8" M110a2 unit ... and an Armor Unit of Abrams and Brads blew by us like we were standing still ... ReforGer88 was SO MUCH FUN!

@kskeel1124

Жыл бұрын

I'm pretty sure Bradley can do around 48 mph on the road... That 35 mph is its off road speed limit.. Not to mention the Bradley can fire accurately while moving at those speeds...

The Bradley was created to specifically destroy bmps.

@infoscholar5221

Жыл бұрын

Right? And it isn't a hard job; Russian tech mostly destroys itself.

@kskeel1124

Жыл бұрын

And lots of them... It's honestly funny listening to all these guys that still believe Russian equipment is even equal to the US equipment let alone better in any way except simplicity 😂

@appleholo2336

Жыл бұрын

To many smokers are driving the bmps

@kvarnerinfoTV

5 ай бұрын

​@@infoscholar5221hahahahahahaa...what an idiot.

I think as always it is going to come down to which crew is better.

@danieparriott265

Жыл бұрын

Western trained veteran Ukrainians vs Russian Conscripts? Ouch. Kinda feel bad for those Rus kids ... like I did for the Iraqi 10th Armored in front of us on G-Day ... poor bastards ... never knew what hit 'em ...

@appleholo2336

Жыл бұрын

Crew experience matters but so does the technology

What is the reverse speed? Another incomplete data on this chanel

Get you add metrics unit in your video?

@Cormano980

Жыл бұрын

Don't think americans can read metric

@ddxover

Жыл бұрын

@@Cormano980 For sure, but can keep the imperial just add the metrics near by, for none American watchers :)

Sensors, FCC, electronics and training will make the difference here. By the mere numbers they are both clearly capable to killing each other. Depending on the version UA receive they will be good shape.

What the heck is the power measured in liters per second per ton??? (See minute 7:17)

I’d say Bradley’s because they are more tested and more in stock BMP-3 is rare you’ll see BMP-1 moreso and that’s easy to handle seeing as how old and restrictive in operation and technology

@ONEIL311

Жыл бұрын

Honestly I think the bmp 2m is better then both of them. It has 4 atgms, carrys more troops and with the engine in the front it's more survivable

@Channel-23s

Жыл бұрын

@@ONEIL311 ehh Latest Bradley’s got better sights/technology and upgrades and a tank weapon that can hit you from outside of a tank cannon range or BMP-2 range means that the BMP-2 won’t last so well the Tow and how it has two of them lastly being disabled by having you’re engine blown up will be deadly and a big hit to morale.

@kskeel1124

Жыл бұрын

Russian combat vehicles are literal death traps and always have been especially BMPs... As long as the Ukrainians are given enough Bradley's to make a difference and are able to keep them operational in the field fuel, repair and ammunition, they will be useful and more survivable than BMPs...

@willl7780

Жыл бұрын

@@Channel-23s they are not getting brand new bradleys

@Channel-23s

Жыл бұрын

@willl 77 I know which is why I didn’t say they were getting the latest ones but probably somewhere in the middle still got better sights then the BMP-1 tbh

Let's just see how it plays out on the Battlefield Both are pretty capable We will see which one comes out on top Personally my bet is on the Bradley butt you Never know.

CV90 clears them both

@willl7780

Жыл бұрын

cv90 is good....way better mobility then the brad...

Use the metric system

You got a bit off topic as the Ukraine will be getting an older version of the M2 and will not be getting the latest version. Also the Atomic Energy Commission has refused the export of reduced core armour and ammunition to Ukraine. So the M2s going to Ukraine will be using the much older tungsten armour piecing round. Other than that your video was well presented, balanced and factual presentation, just watch out for scope creep.

Given how rare tank on tank engagements have been, it’s not very likely that there will be many instances of BMP-3s taking on Bradley’s. Also, the Bradley being sent to Ukraine is an older type with many of the communication features stripped out, as well as anything related to depleted uranium (that means no DU ammo). So while a comparison is important, it’s unlikely to be the deciding factor

@khalifgreen581

Жыл бұрын

The Bradley never had depleted uranium. Only the abrams has it.

@fenix-iw4mg

Жыл бұрын

Also the Russians lost a large number of bmp 3 and now the largest number of their ifv are bmp 1 and bmp2

In terms of weaponry BMP-3, in terms of defense Bradley

Its suprises me nobody has mentioned the biggest difference between these two vehicles. Its the hieght of the bradley that gives it better overwatch capabilites and makes the weapons more lehal than they are. Not to mention the crews and optics of the vehicle,

@Daniel-jg8ff

Жыл бұрын

Also a bigger target. We had no issues spotting them during jointexercises

@lif.attila1539

Жыл бұрын

@@Daniel-jg8ff If your an ATGM team i would 100% agree. However the bradley will see the bmp before they see him. Keep in mind this vehicle has destroyed more tanks then the abrams has. Historical fact.

@willl7780

Жыл бұрын

@@lif.attila1539 why do you think the only thing the bradley will fight is a bmp3? the vehicles may not ever see each other...the brad will get spotted bye lots of things

@kvarnerinfoTV

5 ай бұрын

​@@lif.attila1539export T-72 VERSIONS with really bad sabot rounds and poorly trained and poorly motivated crews.

It all depends on INFO and training

I think that the Bradley is better in the American army because they keep updating it but in the case of ukrain I think bmp-3 is better suited for the needs of the front lines I don't think that the US will send their latest version of the Bradley so overall in ukrain I think the bmp3 is more effective due to larger numbers and short height of the bmp3 and it's higher mobility will serve better in the battlefield of ukrain

@theimmortal4718

Жыл бұрын

You should see that exit ramp on the BMP-3. Gotta be the worst modern vehicle for dismounts devised

@penskepc2374

Жыл бұрын

A lot of American equipment is designed and fielded with a unmatched logistics and funds in mind, so it's definitely some things don't make sense in a smaller force like Ukraine

10 tons of weight provides protection that the BMP 3 lacks, which makes it vulnerable to 25mm armor piercing rounds.

@wessel2009

Жыл бұрын

Both tanks/IFV's could penetrate each other.

@Grebogoborp

Жыл бұрын

@@wessel2009 that depends on the ammo being used though if the bmp is not firing sabot it will struggle to penetrate the Bradley in some places and I am talking out my ass here but I don’t think Russia has a lot of more modern sabot ammo for these vehicles

@roshanwadasinghe7294

Жыл бұрын

​@@Grebogoborp 100mm will kill it

@liammccaslin7911

Жыл бұрын

@@Grebogoborp most all modern heat rounds can penetrate the Bradley, it is a light IFV it is not designed to take anything larger than 30mm as the video mentioned. A ATGM, well placed RPG, or 100mm round could easily penetrate. Its a matter of who sees who first

@danieparriott265

Жыл бұрын

@@Grebogoborp Also, a Brad Gunner can switch between HE and AP with the flick of a switch (dual feed) ... BiMP gunners gotta choose which to load before Crunch Time ... I wonder how easy it is to change ammo ...by hand .... in that tiny turret? Can it even be done from inside?

It will come down to logistics, discipline and real time battle tactics and this is where the NATO standards will prevail.

@bevearly-rk2xj

Жыл бұрын

NATO is the FORCES OF EVIL.

@willl7780

Жыл бұрын

lol.....nato is ran by idiots

@vladimirotes5470

Жыл бұрын

Yeah but somehow afgani kebabs in slippers>trained by NATO standards ultra-advanced 5th gen marines

@weedylock

Жыл бұрын

😂 Nato logistics in corrupted Ukraine will prevail 😅 don't make us laugh please 🤣

With those amour piercing rounds could the Bradley take out the T50's?

@liammccaslin7911

Жыл бұрын

no, would need at minimum 100+ mm penetration at long range, ATGMs maybe, but effectiveness against APS would be shoddy.

@kskeel1124

Жыл бұрын

Do you mean T-55s or T-90s?

@turningpoint4238

Жыл бұрын

@@kskeel1124 T54 & 55.

@xAlexTobiasxB

Жыл бұрын

​@@turningpoint4238 the autocannon could probably penetrate the hull sides which only have around 80mm.. But only at very close range

Now we know which one is real hero....salute bmp

The biggest difference is that the Bradley can knock out a BMP long before the BMP knows of the threat.

@willl7780

Жыл бұрын

how so?

@billy56081

Жыл бұрын

@@willl7780 TOW missile.

@willl7780

Жыл бұрын

@@billy56081 bmp has missles also and a better gun

@kskeel1124

Жыл бұрын

​@@willl7780 sure it is...

@willl7780

Жыл бұрын

@@kskeel1124 sure what is?

I think the Bradley wins out

uhhh were not giving modern bradleys to then. were giving them the ODS M2s last used 30 years ago during the 1991 Desert storm conflict lol

BMP-3 on the paper. We will see soon which one is better

@rinaldoman3331

Жыл бұрын

BMP-3M will be better but not original BMP-3. It lacks addon armor, lacks thermal and etc. Of course it's very fast and weight 12 tons less than M2A3 and they have same frontal armor. But BMP-3 needs new electronics and addon armor against old 25mm APDS at least.

@Daniel-jg8ff

Жыл бұрын

@@rinaldoman3331 All BMP-3 used in Ukraine has thermals and they are also being upgraded with ERA

@rinaldoman3331

Жыл бұрын

@@Daniel-jg8ff no way. A lot of BMP-3 in russia army built in 90s there weren't thermals on base BMP-3. Late models have french thermals but the aren't even half of all BMP-3 count.

@xAlexTobiasxB

Жыл бұрын

​​​@@rinaldoman3331 BMP3 doesn't even have add-on armor, it's only a prototype but not in active service 🤦‍♂️ Besides it wouldn't even make a difference even if it had the additional reactive armor , because the javelin and TOW-2B missiles attack from above hitting tehe roof top of the turret, which doesn't have any armor whatsoever

I was in from 82-89 active plus a few years in the guard The one thing all of us didn't like about the Bradley is that you gotta wait and elevate the TOWs before firing and you can't shoot it on the move The bmp-3 is not able to resist 30mm without add on armor as far as i know The 25mm bushmaster is able to penetrate more than Russian 30mm with a higher rate of fire Lastly not all stabilization systemsare equal for example the m-60 can not exceed 15mph while the Abrams can run at full speed the T-64 and 72 had similar performance to the m-60 the t-90&80 are better over 20mph ive (never found solid data though) Sa

Chaîne pour ceux qui confondent guerre et jeux vidéo !

We will soon se alot of burning Bradleys

Habría que considerar varias puntos. 1. Por lo que cuestan yo compararia en el campo de batalla el bradley vs por lo menos 2 BMP3 tal vez hasta 3, lo cual definiría el resultado de manera evidente. 2. Ya hay una nueva versión del BMP3 con sistema digital de seguimiento de blancos muy parecido al del T90M así que no sería ninguna desventaja en ese aspecto Además de que las unidades que se le entregan a Ucrania no son las versiones más modernas del Bradley

You just disprove something you said two seconds earlier, yes the 25 mm autocannon of the Bradley can infect defeat the BMP frontal armor using d'you rounds which I guarantee the u.s. sending and hopefully the Abrams are getting DUI rounds as well...

I would say the BMP-3 is better due to is versatile armament. The 100mm for example can be used indirectly and can be used to clear buildings and trenches.

Nobody here knows what shit happens there. 99% of BMP´s or Bradleys will fall down to enemy artillery and the last 1% will fall to some random and lost Kornet or Javaeline unit. I can say without dobut that any crew from whatever side IFV they use wont see enemys IFV´s and engage in combat with them . Most IFV crews from both sides will just walk there triying to move some random unit to the front thats is supposed to be 5 or 6 km away and then blew away by some random shit that may have shoot at them, then the lucky ones will just never use their cannons and just have the luck to see all the random shit been trown out away in that hell miss them by sheer luck.

It's not only the quality of the vehicle but the quality of the soldiers and tactics used in their use.

I see no comparison; as stated in previous comments, the M2 is a far superior vehicle, especially if the crew is well trined and motivated. It's like comparing a Lambo to a Lada.

@ferociousfil5747

Жыл бұрын

You mean comparing a F-150 to a Lada Cossack

@liammccaslin7911

Жыл бұрын

the thing is in ukraine the crews arent going to be trained on the bradley but the BMP. Also notable that the BMP is considerably cheaper and the infrastructure to produce it is much more available than the Bradley which is only produced in the US.

@willl7780

Жыл бұрын

brads are very high maintenance also....i see them in the rear waiting on parts a lot

Bradley because I can prove they exist in number with the stats given

@jottka2162

Жыл бұрын

Soon you have the numbers of the destroyed ones too.

Modern warfare is about who sees who first. That is the only thing that matters. The rest is just war thunder talk.

WOW...I thought the BMP-3 was just a warmed over PT-76...

@willl7780

Жыл бұрын

lol...totally wrong

Honestly I think bmp 2m is better then both of them it has 4 atgms, it carries more troops and with the engine in the front, and back doors it's more survivable then bmp3

@willl7780

Жыл бұрын

no stabilized gun though....very thin armor

@ONEIL311

Жыл бұрын

@@willl7780 with upgrade packages it does and there are plenty of armor packages

@willl7780

Жыл бұрын

@@ONEIL311 il still take the 100mm gun ..

Perhaps the difference in Ukraine will be who has the best trained crew and command and control systems.

The Bradley is predominately going to be facing T-72 MBTs and older 55-64 MBTs, and, it is worth noting, the BMP 2-3 are rare on the battlefield. The BMP 1 is the peer antagonist the Bradley would most likely encounter in Ukraine, as both militaries use them, as they were mass-produced during the soviet era, and they see widespread use, basically as light tanks. And the BMP1 is nowhere near a peer of even the older blocks of Brads. It's back doors double as gas tanks, let's not forget.

@liammccaslin7911

Жыл бұрын

BMP 1 can still penetrate bradleys its not just an instant win, numbers are a considerable advantage considering both sides are in dire need of any firepower. You only need a weapon to be good enough, and the BMP is good enough and considerably easy to crew and produce than the bradley.

To determine which is better, look at battlefield victories and k/d ratios. It’s not even close. Bradley any day.

Bradley’s have TOW tank killers where the bmps small cannon is weak

@willl7780

Жыл бұрын

bmp has missles and a 100mm gun...

No doubt......

The numbers of Bradley’s sent to Ukraine so far is too low to have an overall impact on a frontline. Not that Russians have a lot more of BMP-3 still operational.

@liammccaslin7911

Жыл бұрын

BMP-1s are still better than nothing for both sides, especially in rear or reserve roles the free up more advanced tanks and experienced crew for use.

@Thaidory

Жыл бұрын

@@liammccaslin7911 yes, BMP-1 is still widely used during this war by both sides. Hopefully Poland will drop all of theirs BMP-1 that to Ukraine after swapping them for Borsuk IFV's.

I'm really looking forward to the electric Bradley!

@tyrantonion6660

9 ай бұрын

Do they come with the ergonomy for pregnant women?

on paper, sounds like a decent match up....in actuality...i'm not even sure these things will work....at all....Given what we know with how the Russians conduct their maintainance, Are we sure they just won't break down the moment they get pushed onto the train?

Which vehicle has been destroyed the most by a little bomb boi dropped from a little drone?

People almost ALWAYS overlook how effective a well trained and well disciplined crew is. Is the the BMP-3 better than a Bradley? Maybe on paper, but you also have to take into consideration HOW each one is used. If you think a Bradley is a tank with a small gun, it's not.

Hands down, not even a contest, BFV wins! Seriously, not even close.

Metric system

for me m 2 Bradley since in operation desert storm more iraqe tank destroye.them is good performance

Just need one shot from the 100 mm main gun and Bradley is Kaaapppuuuuttt

@willl7780

Жыл бұрын

yup

@ImBigFloppa

9 ай бұрын

1 shot from the TOW missile and a dozen from the 25mm and the BMP-3 is getting sent into orbit. Difference is that the Bradley actually has thermals, a decent fire control system, has better crews, and is actually accurate past a few hundred meters with its cannon

Bradley all day I've watched Bradley's take 3R PG routes.And everybody still get out.Walk away without a scratch.I watch b m p three's take one round from an r p g and throw their turret

2 vehicles designed to fight a war that never happened. BPM 3 suppose to be slick fast gun platform to operate behind enemy lines. Used as artillery mostly. Bradley is basically more of BTR rival? infantry transportation vehicle. Used as scout and support for tanks. All and all Bradley optics are better, engine better and more reliable, 25 mm gun can do a lot of damage in urban combart. And it can traverse back fast still showing front armor to the enemy which most of soviet tanks are very bad at.

@germmi41

Жыл бұрын

903T CUMMINS IS NOT A GOOD ENGINE. THEY WERE OBSOLETE 25 YEARS AGO.

Lets not forget that bradleys are usually part of an armored brigade combat team. Usually these brigades have their brigades broken down into combined arms battallions, meaning each company of infantry has at least a platoon of Abrams and vice versa. I know this because i was in CAB unit. 2 CAB 5th BCT 1st Armored Div. Old Ironsides. Basically, in American Armored combat doctrine bradleys will almost always have big daddy Abrams way behind them, essentially sniping enemy armor. Aslo lets not forget that the infantry inside the bradely almost always have at-4 anit tank weapons with high explosive anti tank munitions and/or javelins. So yeah, try taking out a bradley while ints bishmaster is raining depleted uranium and wire guided TOW missles AND the infantry dismounts and launching javelin rounds set to strike from above. Thats just one bradley. Then you gotta deal with the Abrams that already knows where the enemy armor is and has superior maximum effective range than i think most if not all other main battle tanks in the world. So yeah... Bradleys are really just Baby tanks with waaaaaaay more capabilities than a bmp. Just wait and see when the ukrains start racking up armor kills againnst bmp's and T-ninety whatever's.

This feels like it was written by chatgpt? anyone else? i feel like i've been seeing a lot of stuff that has been sort of either half generated, or wholly generated from those AI algorithms. maybe i'm imagining it?

@SeminarioMAE

Жыл бұрын

i feel your comment was written by ai

I'm always shocked at how behind Russia's engines are, I was blown away to find out the T14 comes with a German WW2 engine design......

@user-cv3ec4jx3y

Жыл бұрын

На самом деле там вообще нет двигателя , а танк тащат ослы запряженные внутри корпуса 😂

@liammccaslin7911

Жыл бұрын

compare the horsepower the two arent the same at all, only similarity is the piston layout, you watched too much of badly researched lazerpig

@AHalz

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, no, stop listening to the crap LazerPig says about Russian tanks. Watch RedEffect on his nearly hour long video on how he points out every single mistake and myth about Russian tanks, which includes the assumptions about tank engines.

@scottbattaglia8595

Жыл бұрын

@@AHalz what is a laser pig? I assume you do not know much about eastern European diesel history......

@scottbattaglia8595

Жыл бұрын

@@AHalz oh and if you care to get into large engines, my favorite Russian built engine is the Yakovlev M-501/M-503 (the largest radial engine ever built!) The Russian engineers are crazy....

Who ever shoots first

when it comes to vehicles vs vehicles, the real world ain't war thunder lol keep in mind there are many moving parts to war and all the weapons and vehicles aren't trading cards with different stats

@willl7780

Жыл бұрын

exactly...people act like ukraine will line up brads and russia line up bmp and they charge lol.....they may never see one another lol

Didn't the Bradley knock out more tanks in Desert Storm than the Abrams? Train the Ukrainians well, they will not have issue facing Russian hardware. And they will probably face more BMP-1's now than 3's.

@rinaldoman3331

Жыл бұрын

In Ukraine there are a lot ways to destroy Bradley - tons of 155mm howitzers, drones with HEAT grenades, lots of Ka-52 and Mi-28 with tandem ATGMs, infantry with all sorts of antitank weapons even captured Javelin and NLAW, AT Mines and etc. It's not Iraq, Bradley will face regular and experienced army. And second question is - what will do 100mm HE shell against Bradley?

@willl7780

Жыл бұрын

and the russians will face more bmp1s then bradleys...what is your point?

@tetianaolishchuk1007

Жыл бұрын

Indeed, most of BMP3 were knocked out. Its mostly 1s now.

comparing chalk and cheese......

@Nero-Caesar

Жыл бұрын

Sure ok

@freedomforall7292

Жыл бұрын

Yes but are they trying to write something down or make a grilled cheese sandwich

It's already been proven during Operation Desert Storm and again in Iraq and Afghanistan. BMP3 upgrades are only on paper, corruption in Russian MoD lead to a lot of these specs from becoming reality: Proof has been established in Ukraine.

Bradley's are going to slam bmp3 at night and at long range with its tow missiles

@Daniel-jg8ff

Жыл бұрын

You are aware that the BMP-3 can do the same

@cartmanrlsusall

Жыл бұрын

@@Daniel-jg8ff yes they have an anti tank missile but it's coupled to an obsolete infra red sight so again at night Bradley's are going to have an advantage especially at the maximum range of the weapons systems

Might be if the Russians use any mostly older stuff and tanks and Bradly kills them with better sighting equipment.

As good as a IFV the BMP is, it’s only good as it’s crew. With the way the Russians are cycling through their conscripts. I doubt it’ll have any effect on the battlefield

@willl7780

Жыл бұрын

ukraine has taken way more casualties the russia

bradley =paper tiger

@viarnay

4 ай бұрын

Paper tiger that eats T-90 for breakfast...😊

100mm cannon is 100mm cannon.

The big difference are that Nato equipment ALWAYS works

@willl7780

Жыл бұрын

BWAHAHAHAHA

The BMP-3 is only effective with it's maingun wenn it is standing still. Fire on the move is not effective at all. This is soooooo 1980s. 🙂

Shit like the two main guns and the two (!) bow machine guns makes me doubt that the BMP-3 is a decent design overall. There is a reason why practically all combat vehicles since the end of WW2 have discarded these things. Whoever builds such stuff into a vehicle seems not to have gotten the memo on what the features of a successful vehicle are.

@wrt142

Жыл бұрын

I think it's more likely to be employed to compensate for a lack of digital equipment, if you don't have decent tech on board it's better you send as much as you have downrange to increase chances of hitting

@redited144

Жыл бұрын

What bulshit again. You are so mest up. The terminator has even duble 30mm grenade launchers. And it shreads infantery. The duble machine guns do in a burts what min 2 25mm shots from the Bradly does. BMP3 is much better and suprise it can air burst munitions against infantery can fire rokets and so on. But aperently 25mm is better than 30mm and a 100mm gun. 😂

Bradley all day.

The question should be: if you had a very, very high defence budget, would you buy the BMP or the Bradley? Right. The BMP 3 would not even enter the selection process.

The Bradley can fire tow missles

@willl7780

Жыл бұрын

bmp has 100mm gun and missles

@RacerX1971

Жыл бұрын

@@willl7780 , how accurate compared to computer guided tow missile and how far can the 100mm shoot

@willl7780

Жыл бұрын

@@RacerX1971 about 7 km for the gun and 4km for the missle...both are auto loaded..tow has to be loaded bye the crew..the missle is lazer guided the tow is wire guided..

@RacerX1971

Жыл бұрын

@@willl7780 , thank you for the Clarification

Kinda lame to use meters and yards together

The Bradley is better. The bmp3 suffers from corruption, bad logistics and lack of spare parts. Plus Russian vehicels aren't known for reliably.

In a real fight Bradley would win because bmp3 would get blown up by Himars 😂

They're similar on paper. However,, wars aren't fought on paper. They're fought on the battlefield. The Bradley wins hands down.

@liammccaslin7911

Жыл бұрын

as far as numbers and logistics the bradley loses, and that's whats actually important. If the platforms are about equal in capabilities but you can field 4x as many BMPs for the cost of one bradley the BMP is better

@blaircolquhoun7780

Жыл бұрын

@@liammccaslin7911 Actually, it's the BMP that loses. I think it was Napoleon who said "Amateurs talk tactics. Professionals talk logistics." Russian logistics suck. Russia can't resupply its troops more than 90km from its border. That's why Putin repositioned the Russian Army. As for numbers, numbers don't mean jack.

@willl7780

Жыл бұрын

@@blaircolquhoun7780 false

@blaircolquhoun7780

Жыл бұрын

@@willl7780 I was referring to the first Bradleys. They had firing ports for the M223 Firing Port Weapon. I still stand by what I said. Look up the early Bradleys. You'll see that I'm right.

BMP-3 completely naked is much better than naked Bradley without those protection dice!!! There are more anti-tank rockers and two cannon 100mm and 30mm and Bradley just 25mm and two Tow rocket 2500m range very poor!!! New BMP-3M "Manul" is the best armored vehicle in the world and no one can dispute that BMP-"Manul" have motor in front of vehicle and in back have ramp to enter!!! It is reinforced with armored protection on all sides plus bars!!! Russian armored vehicle in the Western way!!!

There is No BMP-3!! The Russians never made one. They just skipped to the BMP-4.

@bevearly-rk2xj

Жыл бұрын

You are d_mb!

Simple pimple, Bradley’s destroyed more Russian Tanks and IFV during the Gulf War and OIF One.

It’s the crew not the machine

@willl7780

Жыл бұрын

its actually both

@spartan2767

Жыл бұрын

@@willl7780 I meant the American crew is better trained

@willl7780

Жыл бұрын

@@spartan2767 They are not fighting americans

@willl7780

Жыл бұрын

@@spartan2767 Russians have more real world experience

honestly... with the BMP3 being so much lighter, I don't think it has the armour it claims to have. far too light

@rinaldoman3331

Жыл бұрын

BMP-3 has same Frontal! armor just like M2A2 - they both stand 30mm AP BR-6 shells and cannot stand against 30mm APDS BR-8 or 25mm M791. But side armor of BMP-2 of course much weaker. It's light cause it's made of high-tech aluminum alloys. The Russians have old and very experienced metallurgical school. That's one of the reasons why they have hypersonic weapons and the US doesn't, because they have alloys that can withstand the temperatures of hypersonic missile flight, and the US still can't develop them.

@MrTangolizard

Жыл бұрын

@@rinaldoman3331 just not true bmp 3 can’t stop anything over .50 AP

@rinaldoman3331

Жыл бұрын

@@MrTangolizard BMP-2 can stand 14.5mm and BMP can stand 30mm AP round in front. Side armor only .50 at 500m. AP is the weakest round for 30mm gun 2A42 or 2A72. It penetrates 60mm at 0 degrees. The BMP-3, according to the project, was supposed to withstand hits from its own autocannon, and it does this.

@MrTangolizard

Жыл бұрын

@@rinaldoman3331 ok maybe not the frontal part but a 0.50 ap round will go through the side a 25mm bushmaster can penetrate 100mm of armour the bmp is about 1.3 inch 33mm so wouldn’t stand a chance

@rinaldoman3331

Жыл бұрын

@@MrTangolizard bushmaster can penetrate 100mm if you use APFSDS M919. There is also M792 APDS round which penetrates 80mm at 0. Also M919 is Depleted Uranium round and cannot be given to Ukraine. So M792 is only choice. M792 cannot penetrate side armor of any russian or soviet tank starting from T-54 cause they have 80-85 mm of side armor and T-80 has 80mm of steel high hardness steel which at least 10% more stronger. BMP-3 has nearly 60-70mm against APDS M792 but it will be anyway penetrated by Bushmaster up to 1 km just like M2A2.

On paper is one thing. On the actual battlefield is another and in Ukraine I see Russian BMP’s getting killed like kittens. In the coming Ukrainian counter offensive you aren’t going to see a lone Russian BMP vs a lone Bradley. You are going to see Ukraine use a combined arms attack. The Bradley was never meant to fight alone and in the coming counter offensive it won’t. The Bradleys will draw out the Russian BMPs and the Ukrainian tanks and infantry with anti tank missiles will cook them. Then the fast moving Bradleys will take out the Russian infantry.

@RENEBACON

Жыл бұрын

In the coming Ukrainian counter offensive :) you make my day

Bradly as part of a combined arms battle with Trained US troops takes the edge over the BMP3. As proven with older versions used properly as combined arms In Iraq., the Bradly is quite capable of taking out t72 main battle tanks. US crewed Bradly's Against the Russian maned BMP-3 the Bradly will always come out on top. We will see how the Ukraine forces do shortly. As with every weapons system it must be used properly and for the specific purpose for the designee.

I think Russians will think krasnopol. 🤷🏼‍♂️

Modern battles are mostly about who has the best situational awareness, who has the least footprint, and who can shoot the furthest efficiently. Bradley has them all

Can it survive a kamikaze drone? Didn't think so.

Over 90% of all armoured vehicles in Ukraine are destroyed by artillery or mines.... So, the question on how they would match up is pure academic. I guess it comes down to the intelligence capabilities and I guess the Bradley is far superior there. But in the end, it comes down on how it's used tactically.

Ofc its Bradley 😂remember Gulf War😂M2 have more kill than Abrams during Gulf war.