UPDATE I'm not sure why I didn't catch this sooner, but the math on the Arteza set is wrong! The price per tube for this particular set is actually $0.91 per tube, I'm not sure what happened but clearly I did my math wrong somewhere! I did also see that the price for the Arteza set is fluctuating frequently, so apologies if this info is no longer up to date, I am just going by the price that it was when this video was uploaded! Thank you all so much for watching and supporting, I hope this video helps you and I hope you enjoy!

@YourMajesty143

3 жыл бұрын

You have the funniest edit cuts. Enjoyed the video! Keep uploading, you're doing awesome!

@allyvineart574

3 жыл бұрын

@@YourMajesty143 Thank you so much for your support! I really appreciate it!

I feel like the fact that not all gouache is completely opaque at a higher quality was ignored... Arteza, Holbein, and other brands like W&N, Schminke, etc, all list opacity on each tube of gouache because it varies from color to color based on pigment types, including natural vs synthetic. Holbein is one of those brands where a little goes a long way, you’re supposed to water them down. I think a fair test would be to water them each down to the same consistency and use CYM colors for primary. And also take into account the level of opacity for each color, if you want to test opacity, pick the same or similar colors, and only one color. Like carmine or yellow ochre. Dark blues and greens will usually be more transparent, and the more white mixed into the paint, the more opaque it will be. Holbein tries to mix as little white into natural pigments as possible while still getting it to a good opacity. Also maybe test the dry texture, some brands dry more chalky than velvety.

@allyvineart574

3 жыл бұрын

My biggest problem with the Holbein wasn’t necessarily the opacity, it was the texture of the paint coming out of the tube. The texture varied quite a bit from each color, it didn’t feel consistent and felt like I was using a different brand each time I tried a color. I may not have personally enjoyed the opacity of Holbein, but I think that it flopped because of the inconsistencies in the paint itself. Still, it’s all just my opinion and this video is just to help some people establish a baseline of where they should start when starting out with or purchasing gouache 😁

@victoriavvc

3 жыл бұрын

@@allyvineart574 I think maybe it’s just because they weren’t fresh tbh. I have an 18 set of 5ml Holbein gouache and if you dont use it for a while the paint closest to the opening of the tube will be a little dry. Also, because of the varying types of pigments used, no gouache company can really have a fully consistent line of gouache colors unless they’re all made with synthetic pigments. Arteza has creamer paints at the get go because the ratio of pigment to binder to filler leans more towards the latter 2. Holbein leans more towards pigment trying to not put as much filler. A good middle ground between the two brands is Windsor and Newton, when you open the tubes, a little bit of the filler is usually gathered at the top, but the paint is pretty consistent across most of their colors, the difference is they have a little more white mixed in to give a higher range of opaque colors.

when you pulled out the chart, I knew I was in the right place lol

@allyvineart574

3 жыл бұрын

Glad it helped! Thanks so much for the support! 😁

I feel like you didnt give the HIMI a proper chance since you didnt reactivate them. I believe they would be opaque with one layer, but not when you used them like a dry watercolor palette.

@kurtbawls7439

2 жыл бұрын

and also arrtx and himi are the same formula and distributor

Just wanted to mention that’s that not how you reactivate Himi gouache. You need to leave a good amount of water in there and mix it around with a toothpick - it’ll go back to normal consistency

One thing you forgot to factor in is that the Himi and Arrtx are both 30ml cups while the others are all 12ml tubes... So technically the Himi and Arrtx would be cheapest at .66 cents for 15ml... but you can't buy them that way... just something I noticed. lol

@allyvineart574

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for pointing this out! I was never great at math, which is now pretty obvious 😂

@loveisfreedom777

2 жыл бұрын

You can buy refills for them in a bigger size, but I guess not elsewhere than in asia at the moment

This is awesome, I've been thinking about getting me some gouche and this is just what I needed to make an Informed decision.

@allyvineart574

3 жыл бұрын

I'm glad this helped! Thanks for watching!

This was a fantastic review and comparison. Thank you for that, I have himi and arteza and was thinking about buying holbein but now I don't know that I need to. The arteza work surprisingly well!

@allyvineart574

3 жыл бұрын

I'm glad it was helpful to you! Thank you so much for your support! 😄

Just a heads up that when mixing primary colors, try to avoid the RGB combo, since these are additive colors & tend to get muddy bc they behave as if you're adding color to black. Subtractive colors CMY (cyan, magenta, yellow) start off white and filter out certain color spectrums reflected from light. The way our eyes naturally work actually follows the CMYK process. In fact, all video media, prints, & paints follow CMYK too. So the next time you do this test, try to go for a combo of magenta (or alazarin crimson), cyan (or cerulean), and yellow (cadmium-free yellow or lemon yellow). Btw you can always add Zinc White (aka Mixing White/Chinese White) to add opacity without desaturating them too much. Zinc White has 1/10th the saturation of Titanium White (which is chalky, but useful if you're trying to make pastel colors). Anywho I'm holding off on buying gouache for now, since Zinc White mixed in with watercolors make them almost opaque like gouache (and watercolors have way more color variety). I just wanted to know if the gouache from Holbein was opaque enough to buy their ZW. But after this video, I think I'll just buy a tube of Arteza instead. Thanks for the review!

@allyvineart574

3 жыл бұрын

I tried my best to get the CMY colors, but those were the closest colors I could get with the sets that I have unfortunately. I know its not perfect, but the primaries were used just to give an idea of the overall functionality of each set, and to keep things a bit more consistent. I did not know about the Zinc White trick, I will definitely need to look into this! I'll definitely need to see how it works with watercolors as well, like you mentioned, it seems interesting! The Holbein gouache was definitely not something I'd necessarily recommend, especially for the price. I'm glad that this video helped you in making a decision, thanks for the tips, I appreciate them and your support! 😁

@mimistar193

2 жыл бұрын

My brains lost some brain cells trying to read this😭

Thank you this was very helpful!

Holbein and Windsor & Newton and other professional quality are worth itl get the real Cadmiums and Cobalt/Ceruleans for better opacity. Titanium White vs Zinc.

I am the first viewer Love your channel , continue uploading vids

@allyvineart574

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for the support!

Lovely video! For a fair comparison of price, it makes more sense to compare the price per milliliter in stead of per tube. Not all tubes contain the same amount of paint. Thanks for making this! Really useful.

Maybe consider breaking the price down by ounces because the tubes and cups are all a different amount of ounces so that would affect the cost.

@allyvineart574

3 жыл бұрын

I didn't even think of this, but great idea! Thank you!

@YourMajesty143

3 жыл бұрын

It should be done by ml, since the tubes barely makes an ounce. So for each one... Arteza ($0.91/12 ml tube) = 8 ¢/ml Masters Touch ($0.84/12 ml tube) = 7 ¢/ml Himi ($1.33/30 ml cup) = 4 1/2 ¢/ml Artxx ($1.33/30 ml cup) = 4 1/2 ¢/ml Holbein ($3.66/5ml tube) = 73 ¢/ml

@allyvineart574

3 жыл бұрын

@@YourMajesty143 Thank you for this, I'm terrible at math and knew I would mess this up, I appreciate you breaking it down a bit more for everyone! 😊

Very nice comparisons. Oddly I don't own any of these brands, I have different ones. :)

@allyvineart574

3 жыл бұрын

There are so many different brands out there, its crazy. I'd love to branch out into more gouache sets, so hopefully in the future I'll be able to compare the sets you have! Thank you so much for your support!

You said there is no way to prevent jelly cups from drying out, but there are several: clove oil, glycerine, regular misting, airtight rubber lid

Yellow tends to be not opaque because of the nature of it's pigments. Holbein does not add whitener like chalk to their colors so that's why some colors are not opaque by it's nature :)

Bofl. The micron was VERY professional. Bofl. Professor Ally Vine 😂

Thx!

Heads up, For the arrtx jelly gouache, people say that the gouache does not have the pigment code for it. There is a code for each colour and its on the card where there are colors swatches on it. The type is very small that most people don't see.

I didn’t realize this video was so recent lol. If you ever get windsor and newton gouache would you mind doing them on the last column? Would love to see

@allyvineart574

3 жыл бұрын

I am looking into doing more comparisons with different brands and Windsor and Newton are definitely one of my must-do's. Hopefully I can do this comparison sometime soon, but it is in my plans so definitely watch out for that video in the future!

@Carla-ec6xn

3 жыл бұрын

@@allyvineart574 sure! I subscribed because I'd love to know. I know getting art supplies is an investment so take your time!

@YourMajesty143

3 жыл бұрын

They're $27 on Blick's last I checked.

Best Gouache=Shinhan

I can't listen with the distracting music playing so.loudly. Too bad because I would like to listen to your information but I will pass