I goofed and forgot to add the motor info… 1) 79-Bike sotion motor. IPM encoder motor. High torque and good heat dissipation. Well praised in the aftermarket community. 2) Talaria MX4. IPM encoder motor. Capable of higher rpms without the worry of magnets separating or hall sensors failing in spm style motors. 3) Surron LBX. SPM motor that utilizes hall sensors. SPM motors are less durable, and also hall sensor issues have plagued surrons for years. Motor has longest history of testing. 4) E-Ride Pro SS. SPM motor. Hall sensors. Too new to know if it’s durable or will last long term.

Great vid, I will say that the Eride pro brakes are significantly better than the other three bikes. On our built pro SS we didn’t feel the need to upgrade the brakes just the rotors. 👍 You had some great points! With a discount code the 79 bike is actually 4,250 so it’s only a $50 difference than the mx4 right now. Also the shipping of the 79 bike is 1-3 months😬

@freerfixedit

3 ай бұрын

Thanks man! 🤝 That’s a lot of good info! Nice to hear from someone that has actually been hands on with them. Going to pin this comment. Thanks again! 🤙🏽

Haven’t watched the video yet, but if you’re not gonna upgrade, I’ll go ERide but if you’re gonna do any upgrades at all go talaria or surron. When it comes to speed, my talaria with the TC 500 controller plus stock battery beats the E ride pro thats running 72v

@not_your_average_guy

3 ай бұрын

W video bro, good and fair comparison useful information)) im buying an mx4 soon so, this video just cemented my opinion about buying it, thanks a lot))

@re6_vlogz

3 ай бұрын

@@not_your_average_guyyou should just get the eride pro SS and wait for the same after market parts that are available for the talaria to release for the eride pro because they WILL eventually they ALREAY DO have after market parts available the same brands like warp 9 that make parts for surron and talaria…they are making the same parts available for eride it’s only a matter of time you will be glad in the end of saving money unless you don’t want to wait then yeah you can buy a surron or whatever and just order the after market parts the next day but I’d rather wait for the eride pro

@retrogoon7182

3 ай бұрын

@@re6_vlogz can’t agree more. E ride pro SS is def the best and will eventually be just as upgradable as the rest

I just got my Mx4 yesterday and its been nothing short of perfect! Im positive i made the right choice

@freerfixedit

3 ай бұрын

Love to hear it! They’re definitely a blast. Glad you’re enjoying it!

@mconradb

3 ай бұрын

You did.

Guna have to agree with ya brobro. Had a SurRon and loved it. Made upgrades and loved it even more. When the Talaria MX4 was coming out all the specs and how they promoted it, you couldn’t say no. So I sold the SurRon for a pretty penny funding my Talaria. I order first round and ya the upgrades then just wasn’t there yet but I honestly didn’t really care. Switch my bars, pegs, and sum supermotos to alternate street/dirt and I was more than happy. Talaria is flat out a solid dependable bike that rips. Ya I was alil bummed out that the E-ride Pro SS came with a 72v but honestly after hearing about the turbo button and the fact that it’s a exact replica of a SurRon I didn’t really give it much thought. I’m sure the E-Ride Pro is dope but the Talaria has its own style and is a beast stock. Not to mention the Talaria XXX which is a dope bike you should have included in this vid but I totally understand why you didn’t. As for the Talaria chain drive, bulletproof. SurRons belt drive sucked specifically for bigger dudes like myself that ride super hard. Was on my 4th belt when I sold my SurRon. All in all great review bro, you made all the right points maybe in the future when the new e-bikes have more upgrades you can do another vid and add the XXX. My buddy has it and it’s a dope affordable bike that I’d put over a few you listed. Keep killin it bro, stay up stay safe.

@freerfixedit

3 ай бұрын

Thanks a lot for writing that brother. The xxx is a killer deal for what you get, and I’d pick it over a surron also. They just dropped the ball and fell behind. I felt the same way when the eride came out. Like damnit I could have had a 72v for near the same price. But once I learned about the turbo and controller stuff, I’m still solid on my choice of the mx4. Thanks again bro, stay safe yourself and have fun 🤙🏽

The Mototec Venom 12kw E-moto for $5999, the Razor Stage2 M1 6kw E-moto for $4200, & the Stark Varg 80hp E-Moto with a 6.5kwh battery and a 60kw motor for $13999 are a few more new E-motos on the scene in 2024.

My vote is for 79bike. Most existing mods for surron and some Talaria mods bolt right on. If u swap a wiring harness u can use X9000 controller already. That paired with a sotion motor. Puts it out front for me.

nothing but facts 👌🏼. that Torp 500 controller is so tempting for the stock mx3 or mx4 battery.

@freerfixedit

3 ай бұрын

Agreed! I think I’m going to pull the trigger on it this summer to get some more juice out of the stock battery!

Your tire change video has helped me. Got the Tusk ground wire front and rear and the Kenda trackmaster front and rear. But went with the Tusk front tire and the Kenda trackmaster tire rear. Yes like the Tusk front tire 70/100/19 looked more of a front tire with less aggressive knobs. The kenda trackmaster rear 70/100/19 measured just as wide as the Tusk GW rear tire 80/90/19. Using the stock wheels on all. The Tusk seemed to be on 18 inch wheels compared to the Kenda tire. Plus the Kenda TM rear tread was just as aggressive as Tusk GW rear. I have the Tusk rear and Kenda rear both mounted, maybe try the Tusk rear later.

@freerfixedit

3 ай бұрын

Happy to hear that man! Changing tires is a pain! I’ll have to look into those tires 🤙🏽

There's now an eride pro ss 2.0! They listened to the customer made some great upgrades and the price didn't even change!! Check out the upgrades... they're surprisingly awesome considering the cost didn't change! Eride pro wins with updates! With all that said the talaria is a awesome 2nd pick & maybe better if prices are a big concern... these are all great bikes rulling out the surron IMO

@freerfixedit

3 ай бұрын

I saw that! Of course it comes out the day after I spent 6 hours making this video 😅appreciate the comment! 🤙🏽

Thank you for confirming that I made the right decision. The Torp controller on my Talaria MX-4 is game changing!!

@freerfixedit

3 ай бұрын

Glad to hear it. I think I’m going to go that route soon!

@shockadellick

17 күн бұрын

@@freerfixedit At EbikeZilla , the cost of the MX-3 motor is more than the MX-4's. Why?...because the MX-3 motor can safely run 10,000 RPM where the MX4 can only do 8,000 rpm. KZreadr Stingy Rogers discovered this fact. Oh...one more fact. Talaria recently released their 2nd generation controller for the 2025 Sting R. It's easily identified from the 1st generation Sting R controllers by the inscribed words reading STING R. The first generation Sting R controller inscribed on the face simply read TALARIA. The new 2025 Sting R controller has a 10% power gain over the 2023's R controller.

@freerfixedit

17 күн бұрын

@@shockadellick interesting, but can’t you up the rpm limit of the motor with aftermarket controllers?

I agree with your conclusion for the factors you stated. This is a great vid for newcomers to the scene who are confused by all these similar looking bikes. I've seen a couple of E-Ride Pro SS owners in comment sections acting as if those are the clear cut best and I disagree for several reasons, but I welcome all quality bikes in this space and I'm sure the aftermarket will get there for the E-Riders. I'm currently trying to decide between the Torp TC500 and Nucular P24F for one of my Talarias... Then I'll need brakes, and now that the Sotion motor is out...ugh, 2024 might be an expensive year!

@freerfixedit

3 ай бұрын

😂 I completely agree. Somewhat torn between the torp and the p24f. I’ll be getting one of the 2 this summer and definitely brakes. But my charger for the mx4 just died on me so I’m dead in the water for a bit. Of course the day after I spent 6 hours making this video the E-ride released their 2.0 with some decent changes.

@quickcanary

3 ай бұрын

@@freerfixedit Sweet man didn't know that about the E-Ride 2.0, I'll have to check that out. Sucks about your charger! I'm sure you're probably working it out but in the event that you don't already have one on the way I'd be happy to sell you one of mine to get you back up and running pretty quickly - I'm just one state away so could have it to you by mid-week. Otherwise I highly recommend the Chi smart charger. Been using it at a low amperage to keep my batteries a bit healthier and it can cut off at 80% which are awesome features to have.

@freerfixedit

3 ай бұрын

@@quickcanary I appreciate that a ton! I just opened a support ticket today so I’m waiting to hear back, but if I don’t soon I may take you up on that. Thanks again!

79 bike in my opinion is the best value. 72 volts, aswell as the suspension is amazing. The suspension wasnt really talked about and it is in my opinion, the best out of the 4 bikes. Carbon parts, purple linkage etc. makes it so appealing

@freerfixedit

3 ай бұрын

It does seem like a pretty great bike. I’m also hearing of people able to get controllers to work on them now 🤷‍♂️

@brug6490

3 ай бұрын

@@freerfixeditthat’s good news, the controller is definitely what is limiting it to one of the best stock

The e ride pro ss now does 60mph out of the box and has a lightswitch and a peg brace

@user-lw1em6ny5g

3 ай бұрын

Yes it does they come like that now the e ride pro SS had a tune n they listened to the customers

The Pro SS turbo button has been disabled for a while now since 2.0 came out

@freerfixedit

2 ай бұрын

The battery bms is also over heating and cutting the bike off during full throttle for extended time… 🤷‍♂️

The Torp 500 on stock MX4 battery is so freaking good. Feels like a 50% increase in power.

@freerfixedit

3 ай бұрын

I think that’s the route I’m going to go. May even go with the tc1000 for the sake of a 72v battery in the future

have over 500 miles on my e ride and love it!

@freerfixedit

3 ай бұрын

Did you see the 2.0 version they just released? some nice changes

I ended up getting a Eride Pro SS 2.0 and I could not be happier. It was between that or the MX4. I just didn't like the stinkbug style suspension that the MX4 has but I did like the fact it comes with a gearbox.I didn't feel like buying a bike for 5k then turning around and dumping another couple grand into it to make it faster with a better suspension setup for a taller rider. imo the Eride Pro SS 2.0 is the best bang for your buck right now.

@shockadellick

25 күн бұрын

The MX-3 motor sustains 10,000rpm without falling apart. The MX-4 motor cannot go beyond 8,000rpm safely. The MX-3' doesn't need the 72 volt battery to be faster than the MX4, it only requires a controller that allows it to reach 10,000rpm. kzread.infoUgkx5pUUnju7-LrzsKglmYQE6wXx-0bvpjt1

@Shreddylife

25 күн бұрын

Let me know how long it lasts at that rpm..

@shockadellick

25 күн бұрын

@@Shreddylife I'm running the controller mentioned in the Video Clip for the past 4 months and no issues over here. I eat MX-4's for lunch and dinner. Did I mention 72 volts, not required?

Great breakdown of the bikes! I'm still happy with my mx4 it's fun to ride! I still haven't modified it yet. I really want to get a 16-in wheel for mine so I can get real dirt tires. Maybe I'll get the battery and the controller too at some point is just expensive. I'm just going to wait a little longer. Prices of all this e-bike stuff keeps going down 😂.

@freerfixedit

3 ай бұрын

I’m in the same boat! I want a 16 inch rear wheel and a 72v battery and controller but it costs as much as getting another bike! I think I’m going to get a torp controller this summer and do the battery later on. You can get 11.5 kw out of the stock battery with the torp

@barryhallsack8852

3 ай бұрын

@@freerfixedit I'm probably going to do the same. I really like the e-bike but it's no replacement for my dirt bike. The dirt bike just gets very expensive on its own. I'm sure you know this 😂.

@freerfixedit

3 ай бұрын

@@barryhallsack8852 I’m getting ready to put the 450 up for sale and go electric. Whether it be a stark varg or the Honda once it releases. I’m ready to be done with maintenance. Just chain, sprockets, and brake pads from here on out 😅

@barryhallsack8852

3 ай бұрын

@@freerfixedit That's cool! Those Stark vargs are insane! They look really cool for the track. I ride in the woods mainly and do a bunch of single track stuff and big 100 mile loops. The electric just isn't there for the range quite yet. I'm sure it will be in a couple years 😎.

Woke up this morning and seen an official post for x9000 support on 79bike

@freerfixedit

3 ай бұрын

Sweet!

Why is no one talking about the eride pro s? Also a 72v bike under $4000.

Are you aware of the E-Ride pro ss 2.0? I think the power drop off was dropped to 25% battery instead of 45% battery. A lot of upgrades on the 2.0. You may need to update this video

@freerfixedit

3 ай бұрын

I have seen it. Unfortunately the day after I posted this 🤦🏻‍♂️ but from what I’m seeing with the 2.0, they did away with the turbo button, allowing max power at all times. This is causing the batteries to overheat and the bms cuts the bike off. This isn’t looking good for people that want to run aftermarket controllers and crank up the KW. What good is a 72v battery if you can’t crank up the power?

There are at least two videos of the BMS of the E Ride Pro just shutting the bike down when running at high speed.

@freerfixedit

3 ай бұрын

I saw this as well, with the new 2.0 version they removed the turbo button to allow max power at all times. Seems like eride knew the bike couldn’t handle the current due to temps, and that’s why they had the turbo button in the beginning. Without it, it looks like the batteries are over heating. Which isn’t a good sign for people that want to get aftermarket controllers and crank up the kw. What good is a 72v battery if you can’t run high power 🤷‍♂️

The only problem is, you are missing the best option for most people. The Talaria Triple X is the best for the average customer. It is cheaper than the other bikes, has more power than the LBX and 79Bike, and equal power to the sting R. It also looks much more unique compared to these bikes, which is an upside and a downside, as some people don’t like it (I personally think it looks better than most of these, aside from the LBX)

@freerfixedit

3 ай бұрын

Yeah I agree, for the average person that just wants to get in the streets with their friends it’s a great value. Just a slightly different category which is why I didn’t include it. All these bikes are very similar

What first upgrades would you recommend for the mx4

@freerfixedit

3 ай бұрын

Pegs and 3” riser bars. I have a video on my upgrades if you want to take a look

I’m in nc myself also. Where/how are you getting around paying no sales tax on the mx4? I’ve had it in my crt for days but will buy it rn without the price of taxes 😂

@freerfixedit

3 ай бұрын

When I bought mine last April for 4500 I didn’t pay tax and when I made this video I went through the PayPal checkout process and it added zero tax. I’m in the outer banks but as far as I know only CA residents have to pay tax

@nicholassbardella6045

3 ай бұрын

@@freerfixedit interesting. I don’t even see a PayPal option for payment either though. Only Amazon pay and it automatically adds taxes I guess maybe when I added my Charlotte zip code

Where's pro s or xxx stand haven't seen a video whit any of these bikes beating the ss out of box so i purchased a pro ss it is my first I'm a ebike virgin still waiting on it as far as after market goes I'm sure this area is going to catch right up from what im seeing so ride hard and stay safe

@freerfixedit

3 ай бұрын

Xxx is a good value for what you get. Faster than a surron and a lot cheaper. Good for someone who wants to enter the space without breaking the bank. The aftermarket world will probably catch up for eride depending on popularity. It took almost a year for talaria, so we’ll have to wait and see how long it takes for eride

My Sur-Ron goes 50mph and my xxx does 52mph. They also both have 60v 40ah so are you comparing older models?

@freerfixedit

3 күн бұрын

@@klubhead7070 a stock surron doesn’t go 50. Check it with gps

did you get the battery information from luna? the surron battery info is from previous years so this is inaccurate as of 2024, and 2023...

@freerfixedit

3 ай бұрын

Yeah I’ve heard they come with a 40ah now. Either way, still less capacity than competitors, and cost $150 up charge

Is that range pic in Nevada at sand mountain?

@freerfixedit

3 ай бұрын

I have no idea, just a google image 😂

The SS 2.0 is on sale for $4600 however I’m waiting to sell my MX3 before making a decision..by the time my bike sells I’m hoping talaria comes out with a 72 volt system out of the box

@freerfixedit

3 ай бұрын

Seen a few vids now of the 2.0 battery over heating and tripping the bms causing the bike to shut off. Not sure how big of an issue it will be, but seems like the battery can’t handle running full power all the time. Almost like they knew this which is why they had the turbo button to begin with. But if the battery is the weak point when it comes to heat, kinda sucks for people looking to get controllers and crank up the KW. What good is a 72v battery if you can’t run more power?

@freerfixedit

3 ай бұрын

Also, where are you seeing it on sale?

@twall4381

2 ай бұрын

@@freerfixedit It is not on sale, no idea where this dude got $4600, Eride Pro SS is well over $5000 after tax.

@freerfixedit

2 ай бұрын

@@twall4381 that’s what I’m seeing as well 🤷‍♂️

It seems the no tax outside of CA does not apply anymore on Luna because it added it to my order, $4200+$294 in taxes.

@freerfixedit

3 ай бұрын

Hmm… I’ll have to look into it. When I went to pay in PayPal it said pay now and didn’t have tax. Did it add it after the fact? Thanks for letting me know!

@bensnipes7288

Күн бұрын

Same here. WA resident. Got my MX4 about 2 weeks ago from Luna. Used PayPal as well . $4500 ish out the door

Ik i love my mx4 .. waiting on the dragon

@freerfixedit

3 ай бұрын

Same!

@stolenf32

2 ай бұрын

whats the dragon a new model coming from Talaria?

@freerfixedit

2 ай бұрын

@@stolenf32 supposed to be the competitor to the the ultra bee. Rumored to be coming this summer 👀

@stolenf32

2 ай бұрын

@@freerfixedit Damn good looks thanks for the reply ill keep an eye out for that

Shipping should be a subject, my eride came in 2 weeks

@freerfixedit

3 ай бұрын

Yeah Luna shipping time is about 2 weeks for talaria as well. I’m hearing eride is 1-3 months though straight from china 😬 Word is they are working on setting up a USA warehouse though…

This video is already somewhat irrelevant since the 2.0 version of the eride pro ss just came out with a few major improvements. But a great comparison viewpoint nonetheless.

@freerfixedit

3 ай бұрын

I know, of course the 2.0 came out the day after I posted this 🤦🏻‍♂️ I have been seeing peoples 2.0 over heat and trip the bms due to the removal of the turbo button. Which isn’t looking good for people looking to crank the kw with an aftermarket controller. What good is a 72v battery if you can’t run more power? 🤷‍♂️

2 month later how you feeling now?

@freerfixedit

21 күн бұрын

Personally I still prefer the mx4. Big fan of the gearbox and how durable the frame is. Just saw a video of an mx4 with a torp tc500 controller vs the stock e ride pro, very very similar performance for same price

Gotrax k2 is so slept on but alright

@freerfixedit

3 ай бұрын

Eh... for the price I'm not impressed. It does look like it has some nice moto style brakes on it though

How come nobody considers th Talaria xxx 😢

@freerfixedit

3 ай бұрын

Different category. It’s a great bike for the price and it will get you out there riding with your buddies no doubt

MX4GANG

Does eride pro ship to Canada?

@freerfixedit

3 ай бұрын

I’m not sure. Check their website or maybe send them an email to see 🤷‍♂️

@Noname-up4tp

3 ай бұрын

@@freerfixedit thanks for your response I will

@freerfixedit

3 ай бұрын

@@Noname-up4tp anytime! Hope you get it figured out and thanks for the support! 🤝

@Noname-up4tp

3 ай бұрын

@@freerfixedit yeah they don’t 🥲 but do you recommend a talaria mx4 over a surron like right out the box

@freerfixedit

3 ай бұрын

@@Noname-up4tp absolutely. Faster, more power, and 45ah battery

Dude, eridepro is selling 2.0 version and the top speed is 60mph all the time. 😂

@freerfixedit

3 ай бұрын

I just saw that, the day after I spent 6 hours making this video 😅 but I also saw a kid do a range test with the 2.0 and his bike over heated and shut off cause he was going over 50 most of the time. Seems like eride knew the bike couldn’t handle high speeds all the time due to temps, which is why they had the turbo button to limit it from over heating. We’ll see how it pans out for them…

Are these street legal

@freerfixedit

2 ай бұрын

depends where you live, most places no... youd have to get them registered to be technically "legal" but from experience where I am, ride respectfully and obey the law and you wont get hassled

Talaria MX4 cost 6300 dollars in Sweden I think it's crazy. Som man säger i Sverige den kostar skjortan. Eller det är hutlösa priser.

@freerfixedit

3 ай бұрын

🫨

@emob0i

3 ай бұрын

$4700 in norway👍

Bro literally today 5 minutes ago I seen a company on instagram say their in the works of making a eride pro SS controller so bruhh 🤷‍♂️ get the eride 🤦‍♂️ who cares about after market parts THEY WILL MAKE THEM bro in the video said “that may change in the future” no shirt you really think talaria and Arron will be the only bike with after market parts available?🤷‍♂️ of course they will make after market parts for eride THEY ALREAY ARE you should do more research before you talk down about eride

@freerfixedit

3 ай бұрын

We’ll see… the 2.0 has released with the removal of the turbo button. Riders are having their batteries overheat and trip the bms causing the bikes to shut off. It’s almost like eride knew their bike couldn’t handle the temps of riding at full power for extended periods of time, which is why they had the turbo button to begin with. This is a bummer for people looking to get aftermarket controllers and crank the KW. What good is a 72v battery if you can’t run more power? I guess only time will tell but it isn’t looking good 🤷‍♂️