Great information. Thank you so much!

Been a landscape contractor since 1986. Always used SDR35 pipe with glue together Pvc fittings.

We have in over 50 years of installing both landscape and sub drain pipe seen MANY MORE failures in the installation of ADS pipe over any version of PVC pipe.

@greg925911

Ай бұрын

That's what i thought

@steventhury8366

20 күн бұрын

That's likely mostly due to majority of pipe installed is ads.

@frankgrant4784

20 күн бұрын

No most landscapers prefer to use smooth wall solid or perforated PVC pipe. Less problems longterm and much easier to set a grade. Also less issues with being crushed.

Agree dual wall Corrugated pipe especially up north were we live it has expansion in 🧊 frost 🎯💯⛈

What is your thought on schedule 80 (sdw) pvc? It flexes more than schedule 40.

What are your thoughts on triple wall hdpe? Its more accessible/affordable than dual wall in my area

Good Points / Good Channel ..been rocking SDR35 for twenty years no problems....

@williamkoehler9452

Ай бұрын

yeah man... we can actually get sdr35 to flex a little (in a good way) 15' sections with bell end

@williamkoehler9452

Ай бұрын

N12 is great as well... just not stocked at our local supply houses

I have a sump pump drainage problem. I have about 80' of 4" pvc running out of my basement along the ground. It has sprung leaks quite a few times and flooded my pasture before I noticed it. Being how this piping drain is on top of the ground, the sun bakes utin the summer and it has below zero temps on occasion in winter. The slope is enough and the flow is insane, so it's never froze in 31 years. I'm just wondering if I could use a solid black non-perferated "piping" outside for this? It runs to a little ditch in the woods and probably down to the back of my acres.

I'm wondering about lateral line pipe that way some of the water run off would be put back into the ground instead of it all running off to help with watering the yard and conserving some water I'm sure it would probably still need a pop up or something to keep it from getting backed up but what's your thoughts

I am wanting to install the French drain pipe I bought to create a subsurface watering system around a lone tree. I need ideas on how best to make the surface inlet connection for watering.

@drainmylawn

Жыл бұрын

Interesting idea. We haven't done that before. You could run a drain system in reverse and feed water into the end of the solid pipe. Hope it works!

The double wall pipe looks promising!

@drainmylawn

Жыл бұрын

We use it a lot. To make and install with double wall easier. You can make your main "trunk line" double wall and use single wall for all the inputs.

Interesting. The dual wall must be a lot more than regular corrugated I would assume. Thanks for the video.

@drainmylawn

2 жыл бұрын

The pipe itself is about 3 times the cost of single wall. Installation takes more thought and time because it's not as flexible. We typically charge about $5 more per foot for the double wall over single wall.

@creativestudio4873

Жыл бұрын

Its also harder to find. And shipping charges aren't cost friendly for people. The market for this type of work doesn't always work for everyone and their needs. I had to use single wall pipe in my job the take another pipe the same length and cut it down the middle in 1 cut and slip that over the original line a zip tie it every other foot. Little hokey but, should hold up for a few more years then if it was a single wall pipe.. The line I dug up was collapsed in one spot and had a couple of minor cracks. My job wasn't the best of ways, I saved a few dollars added a few years. But, if it were more practical I definitely would go double wall pipe.

come to FLORIDA, nobody here builds a correct french drain period....its a NIGHTMARE HERE....darn I wish you were here....

I appreciate your advice. I am installing a system that I will have people driving over regularly. In that case, would PVC be better (no trees around for root concerns, etc.).? Thoughts?

@drainmylawn

Ай бұрын

We use and recommend double wall corrugated for that purpose. You can get AASHTO spec'd pipe for added strength.

If you properly install pvc you won’t have any problems with it cracking. Also they make gasketed joints for pvc to allow some flex in the pipe. But again you wouldn’t have any flex if it’s installed properly.

@drainmylawn

11 ай бұрын

The "installed properly" part is the big challenge with pvc drains in an established landscape. PVC needs to be installed deep, bedded properly, and joints minimized.

@LaFox23

10 ай бұрын

@@drainmylawn pretty much any pipe would need to be bedded and backfilled properly. You need class I, II, or III material to backfill pvc and N12. 4 inches of compacted bedding, 21 inch wide trench, 12 inches of compacted cover. Joints aren’t an issue if you know how to properly prep one. The end of a pvc pipe needs to be clean and chamfered. Easy to do if you have a utility knife, but if you have a grinder it is much quicker.

@audiophileman7047

7 ай бұрын

A long run of PVC does have some flex in it, and I'm inclined to agree with you. It sounds like these guys are looking for blow and go installation, not something that if installed right will last a very very long time and possibly up to 100 years.

@AllAccessConstruction

Ай бұрын

@@audiophileman7047 My first project was done over 25 years ago with SDR35 Still working smoothly

PVC should be ok though for really short runs like say 10 feet?

Do plumbers not use schedule 40 for waste lines? I haven’t heard of pvc waste lines cracking at joints from settling

@drainmylawn

10 ай бұрын

They do. However, the pipe is deeper with many less bends. This protects from many roots and movement. Landscape drainage isn't the same and the differences cause pvc to experience issues. It's possible to build a quality pvc drain system, but it takes much more time, skill, and money compared to a double wall system. Most contractors don't do it right.

@johnsmith-wd5sq

6 ай бұрын

I used to do Septic work! All schedule 40 for waste. Never had a problem!

How about adding cost/foot so we have some rough idea about the material cost during this inflation period? Labor cost should probably be similar since one still need to dig drenges and layout the pipes. The 3rd option probably can be use with socks?

@drainmylawn

2 ай бұрын

Cost of materials will depend on your local suppliers. Labor cost is higher on more rigid pipe because it takes more time and precision to work with.

does the double wall have "Y for connecting pieces from other runs?

@AllAccessConstruction

Ай бұрын

yes

Where can I purchase the Pipe you recommend? The ADS N12 Double Wall?

@drainmylawn

Жыл бұрын

Your local irrigation supply company would have it. Ewing, Central Turf, or Site One have it in our area.

So -- do you install footer tiles fro new construction of basements? Do you ise a schedule 40 perforated pipe there and do you used a filter fabric for new basement tile and PVC pipe or what do you say is BEST PRACTICE for new construction of a basement foundation drainage-way?

@drainmylawn

9 ай бұрын

We don't install footer tiles but would used FDM's high octane 8 slot without hesitation. I would use the fabric the same way as with a french drain.

@AllAccessConstruction

Ай бұрын

We use sdr35 for all our concrete retaining walls as tall as 12 feet . I would recommend SDR35 if your doing a basement at minium

PVC joints are welded with PVC cement. The welded connections are stronger than the pipes or fittings alone. The ridges in the interior corrugated begin to fill with shingle dust (stone like) immediately during the first storm.

@jerr7345

9 ай бұрын

The cracking isn't from weak joints. It's from the lack of flexibility and brittleness when movement is needed for settling or other pressures.

@raiconlan1

5 ай бұрын

the pvc joints are the weakest point

@joeshmoe7789

5 ай бұрын

@@raiconlan1 Try to break a properly cemented PVC joint anyway you want. You'll break the pipe most times. The fitting will break the others. You'll never break the weld.

@raiconlan1

5 ай бұрын

whether I can break it is immaterial when I dig up old ones they are broken

@joeshmoe7789

5 ай бұрын

@@raiconlan1 What is material is whether they were glued properly with the correct cement. There's no way a properly welded schedule 40 connection will break before a pipe or fitting. I think you need to be more careful with your shovel.

can you provide links to the double wall corrugated pipes you demonstrated here?

@drainmylawn

9 ай бұрын

This one in particular is by ADS

@retiredperson4054

9 ай бұрын

@@drainmylawn Thank you! Have you used a similar double wall smooth interior from Baughman Tile of Ohio?

@drainmylawn

9 ай бұрын

@@retiredperson4054 I haven't because it's not available in Charlotte, NC. However, I would trust it based on the quality of their single wall.

@steventhury8366

Ай бұрын

I know Menards sells 20' lengths of double wall.

I own a landscape company and am stuck on a project. I have a client who has a flower bed at the end of her sloped driveway, sloped toward the bed. And the bed is up against the house, right under the roof with no gutters so the water just pours on it, and its surrounded by concrete on all sides and is at the lowest point of the property. I can't do a french drain, there is no where to drain it to without tearing up her entire driveway. Any recommendations would be appreciated.

@drainmylawn

3 ай бұрын

If you can't use gravity it sounds like you'll need to install a sump pump system but will still have to cut concrete to run the exit line somewhere else safe.

I need to do a French drain behind a 90ft retaining wall. What pipe do you recommend?

@drainmylawn

7 ай бұрын

French Drain Man High Octane 8 Slot

@potraf26

7 ай бұрын

Thank you

@potraf26

7 ай бұрын

FDM wanted $400 just for shipping, so that’s a no go. . Can you recommend anything else to go in behind retaining wall?

I would like to use the ADS or Fratco double wall products to drain my sump discharge out to a river, but am having trouble locating distributors. I reached out to ADS. Do you know of anywhere around the Chicagoland area?

@drainmylawn

2 ай бұрын

In the south, one will typically find double wall pipe at irrigation suppliers. Dont know about brand availability. Find out where irrigation contractors shop and you'll likely be good to go.

@AppleMan7100

2 ай бұрын

@@drainmylawn Thanks for the tip

Most people say that PVC or ABS is superior to the corrugated pipe. The corrugated smooth interior pipe looks pretty good, but won't those rubber joint seals rot eventually? If you use PVC or ABS, wouldn't it just be a matter of compacting the soil well to prevent the settling you mentioned and a long run of pipe should have some flexibility?

@mcf8720

6 ай бұрын

I have the same concern about the rubber seal rotting. It's essentially an oversized o-ring....and o-rings eventually fail in the long run and require replacement.

@audiophileman7047

6 ай бұрын

👍👍👍 @@mcf8720

Definitely food for thought. I am curious as to why you didn't include SDR35 sewer pipe in the comparison.

@drainmylawn

Жыл бұрын

SDR35 is more suitable for lawn drainage than schedule 40 due to more flexibility but still has similar drawbacks compared to N12. The rigidity of the pipe lends to more mistakes in installation which cause more issues down the road. All in all, SDR35 is a fine option if installed and bedded properly.

@bobraible

Жыл бұрын

@@drainmylawn Thanks for the feedback. Would sand as a bedding material provide enough cushion (soil is mid-western clay)?

@drainmylawn

Жыл бұрын

You're welcome! The pipe bed should be compact and firm. The trench needs to be wide enough to get the backfill fully around the pipe (typically 2x pipe width).

I wonder why PVC irrigation pipes don't crack or break. Even schedule 125 when a larger interior size is needed for volume.

@drainmylawn

Ай бұрын

Good question. The answer is... they do! Typically, your pressure lines are going to have little to no bends in them before they run to the backflow. No bends and less complexity reduce the risk of cracking. We come across leaky irrigation all the time. The zone pipe leaks are typically obscured by the watering that's happening when they run plus, they are under less pressure. Drainage systems generally require more joints than irrigation. The joints are the weak points on all systems, but cracking is the biggest risk for pvc joints (in drainage).

Where can you buy double wall corrugated pipe in New Jersey?

@drainmylawn

24 күн бұрын

Don't know, but I would recommend a commercial landscapr supplier or irrigation store

@osoriony

24 күн бұрын

@@drainmylawn Thank you very much

So you are saying all the sewage Systems will fail🤔

@drainmylawn

Жыл бұрын

No sir. Though that may be technically true. Sewage systems are not as complex and are installed deeper than lawn drainage which help prevent issues of cracking. PVC has its places and sewer installations are some of them.

I believe SDR 35 PVC is the better solution.

@drainmylawn

Жыл бұрын

It's definitely a good pipe if installed properly

@joeshmoe7789

9 ай бұрын

@@drainmylawn Every type of pipe must be installed properly to get maximum benefit.

Anecdotal evidence: The irony in this video is I had PVC originally placed in two buried downspouts ~7 years ago and I haven't had any issues with drainage, clogs, or breaks. After a few unseasonable torrential downpours in the Midwest I had to get an additional buried downspout on the opposite end of the house. A contractor insisted on using the double corrugated and I trusted their judgement but preferred the PVC to match the construction on the other corners given the proven reliability. Two years later and I've noticed water in the basement. I traced back the issue to the double corrugated crushed at the elbow joint by the drain that had a piece of piping sticking up 2 1/2" and caked with debris. I'll be replacing with PVC, gravel, etc.

@AllAccessConstruction

Ай бұрын

We use sdr35 pipe for all our surfaces and French drains. The double corrugated does work ideally they should of put a sweep elbow tho

Get some schedule 80

@drainmylawn

11 ай бұрын

Would definitely be stronger but still has same fundamental issues for drainage in landscape.

Basically they don’t do a good job installing pvc… 6” of sand and a compactor plate= little to no cracks.

At almost $20/foot I don't think that stuff is worth it. I think I'm going to use SDR35.

@drainmylawn

3 ай бұрын

Never seen it close to that expensive. $3-$4 is typical

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Yep. Its why i dislike the stuff. Those pvc pipes always break. Every time i dig up pvc, all i see is repai after repair. And it's so brittle that just digging it up breaks it. When i dig up cortex or funny pipe. It's been there for decades. Sure. There's probably a repair here and there. Or an obvious sign someone made a change. But the pipes are still in great shape. I could reinstall that pipe and it would probably last another 20 years or more. I would only install pvc pipe where i can get to it ridiculously easily. Minimum effort. And where it doesn't get exposure to elements. No temp swings. No pressure spikes. No exposure to dirt. Chemicals. Water. Etc. Pvc breaks down too easily. I used to use the stuff a lot when i was young. But it was just a maintenance nightmare.

Another FDM hive mind!

@drainmylawn

2 ай бұрын

the plot thickens..... lol

He’s full of crap! Of the three depicted, PVC will always be the best option!

@drainmylawn

9 ай бұрын

Classy

@raiconlan1

5 ай бұрын

not for someone who has dug them all up

Disagree with every word, Each owner always decides for himself. What material should he use, either nails or screws or sand or cement, pvc or soft pipe. It all depends on what standard you use Homedepot o standard forever.

@drainmylawn

9 ай бұрын

Wut

Wow you can hardly speak, why?

@drainmylawn

3 ай бұрын

Don't know, lol