Which Counterspells are Worth It? | A Guide to Countermagic in Commander

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In this episode of "Worth It" we are discussing all the counterspells we think are great for commander, including competitive and budget! What are the best counterspells in commander, you may ask! Well never fear we have the answers, at least according to us! After this you'll know our best counterspells for budget and competitive and even just regular commander.

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  • @ring1313
    @ring13133 жыл бұрын

    What do you guys feel about narsets reversal?

  • @NitpickingNerds

    @NitpickingNerds

    3 жыл бұрын

    AH! We love that card! I knew we'd forget some 😂

  • @jakeaw84

    @jakeaw84

    3 жыл бұрын

    Such a sneaky “counter” spell :D

  • @isaiahsmith7123

    @isaiahsmith7123

    3 жыл бұрын

    It's super awesome but very situatonal

  • @justcausee

    @justcausee

    3 жыл бұрын

    Fork clones have always been pseudo counterspells. Their ceiling is as high as the meta, but I play them for the versatility. Nothing is better than someone about to win on a damage spell line and you add a fork to the stack.

  • @isaiahsmith7123

    @isaiahsmith7123

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@justcausee I love the fork types, as well as cards that collapse the stack, although those are more political and a hail Mary. I usually save stack enders for dramatic moments.

  • @Branflakes-lq6wq
    @Branflakes-lq6wq3 жыл бұрын

    Red Elemental Blast and Pyroblast are amazing because it’s good even if no one is playing blue because that means no one is playing blue 😂

  • @NitpickingNerds

    @NitpickingNerds

    3 жыл бұрын

    The classic Win, Win

  • @wellingtonmcskellington8068
    @wellingtonmcskellington80683 жыл бұрын

    "You would never play more than 10 counterspells" Baral: those are rookie numbers, we gotta pump those up

  • @keabonhall9046

    @keabonhall9046

    3 жыл бұрын

    Baral chief of playing 2 hour games

  • @rileypowell5354

    @rileypowell5354

    2 жыл бұрын

    Baral, chief of 1v1

  • @MoonlitRose101

    @MoonlitRose101

    2 жыл бұрын

    *My vadrick deck with 20-something counterspells*: Pathetic

  • @B3NN3TT066

    @B3NN3TT066

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@keabonhall9046 I attempted to turn a 30 minute game into a 4 hour game last time I played my baral deck lol

  • @Omnivxrse

    @Omnivxrse

    2 жыл бұрын

    lol yup also Talrand, I think my Talrand deck runs something like 18 counterspells

  • @RedFlyingMonkey2k
    @RedFlyingMonkey2k3 жыл бұрын

    You are the perfect power level to me. I love the fact that you dont play just to win but you play to have the chance to win and to have fun. I've learned a lot about commander from you two. So thanks lol

  • @NitpickingNerds

    @NitpickingNerds

    3 жыл бұрын

    That's great to hear, thanks!

  • @dino-wer-kuh3498
    @dino-wer-kuh34983 жыл бұрын

    also i really like that you guys actively listen to feedback and started including more pics of cards you are talking about. even though i didnt request it myself, i've seen that suggestion in your comments quite a lot. always cool to have content creators who care for their viewers and not just the views

  • @NitpickingNerds

    @NitpickingNerds

    3 жыл бұрын

    I am honing my skills as an editor. I want the product to be as good as possible my German lover!

  • @reyny2118

    @reyny2118

    Жыл бұрын

    @@NitpickingNerds we Germans love the NitpickingNerds

  • @Arisawa_Heavy_Ind
    @Arisawa_Heavy_Ind3 жыл бұрын

    The best and the only counterspell i'm playing is Nullstone Gargoyle

  • @NitpickingNerds

    @NitpickingNerds

    3 жыл бұрын

    Ewwwww! Lol 😝

  • @blackmountain1983

    @blackmountain1983

    3 жыл бұрын

    😆

  • @justcausee

    @justcausee

    3 жыл бұрын

    I'm worse I love me some decree of silence combos.

  • @ferdithetank7535

    @ferdithetank7535

    2 жыл бұрын

    Knowledge Pool lock, anyone?

  • @FutureOverYou
    @FutureOverYou3 жыл бұрын

    My Muldrotha deck has used Stifle to counter a Bojuka Bog land trigger to keep my graveyard.

  • @NitpickingNerds

    @NitpickingNerds

    3 жыл бұрын

    God gamer!

  • @Arisawa_Heavy_Ind
    @Arisawa_Heavy_Ind3 жыл бұрын

    my favourite arcane denial interaction is countering my own 1 cmc spell to get a delayed "draw 3" for 3

  • @NitpickingNerds

    @NitpickingNerds

    3 жыл бұрын

    That’s so cute!

  • @mr.mammuthusafricanavus8299

    @mr.mammuthusafricanavus8299

    3 жыл бұрын

    LOL I wrote that also *HighFive :P

  • @Arisawa_Heavy_Ind

    @Arisawa_Heavy_Ind

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@mr.mammuthusafricanavus8299 great minds think alike haha

  • @MTG_Ronin

    @MTG_Ronin

    3 жыл бұрын

    So it’s really pay 3, discard two, then draw 3. It’s like a worse faithless looting.

  • @Arisawa_Heavy_Ind

    @Arisawa_Heavy_Ind

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@MTG_Ronin yeah I know but it feels really strong when I do it

  • @tomkelly4342
    @tomkelly43423 жыл бұрын

    Best counterspell is Veil of Summer and it’s not even mentioned.

  • @johndave8017

    @johndave8017

    2 жыл бұрын

    nah force of will and mana drain are better

  • @djjmandos
    @djjmandos3 жыл бұрын

    You did said Negate is budget playable - but I think you were too down on it. It is more versatile than swan song, more reliable than stubborn denial, and more splashable than counterspell. Yes 1 colorless mana is something, but we're still in the realm of 2cc counters here.

  • @NitpickingNerds

    @NitpickingNerds

    3 жыл бұрын

    I’m not a fan of it but it is playable.

  • @chadtrudeau8132

    @chadtrudeau8132

    2 жыл бұрын

    I agree wholeheartedly with David. I’m not sure why you guys aren’t fans of it. More than half of what I feel the need to counter has always been noncreature spells. It isn’t mana intensive or color intensive. It protects win-cons and can stop a lot of them. Unless your meta is extremely creature heavy, I see no reason not to run it, especially on a budget. You talk about 4 cmc Foil, which has an alternate cost of being a 3 for 1, but for some reason negate doesn’t make the cut.

  • @Duchess_Van_Hoof

    @Duchess_Van_Hoof

    11 ай бұрын

    Negate is amazing card for its monetary price.

  • @FelixxAlrick
    @FelixxAlrick2 жыл бұрын

    I remember learning once that the mana from mana drain was supposed to be a >downside< because counterspell was determined to be too good.

  • @Bananasforthesoul

    @Bananasforthesoul

    2 жыл бұрын

    Right cause unused mana used to deal damage to you. I’m surprised they didn’t errata the spell to just deal damage to you for the spells cmc.

  • @joaocisne556
    @joaocisne5563 жыл бұрын

    Lapse of certainty is great because it white, so it's unexpected, messes with the opponents tempo by sending the card back to the top of the deck, and is splashable, since it 2 generic and one white

  • @ferdithetank7535

    @ferdithetank7535

    2 жыл бұрын

    Also, if you like in Boros you can proceed to steal the card you've just countered with Ragavan/Grenzo/Robber of the Riches.

  • @aaronmiller1009
    @aaronmiller10092 жыл бұрын

    Hearing you guys talk about your goals for the year is awesome, you’re absolutely crushing it, keep up the good work :)

  • @NitpickingNerds

    @NitpickingNerds

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks so much!! So happy to be crushing our goals 😎👍🏻

  • @Dreadnaught1985
    @Dreadnaught19853 жыл бұрын

    My defence of Tales End... is every commander is a legendary And nimble obstructionist, is good in the Gave cycle deck, because you cycle for free.

  • @peterMolodecki
    @peterMolodecki3 жыл бұрын

    Been watching your videos since one was posted to /r/EDH , and I have to say the quality of the content has gotten so good. Every video I'm hooked the whole time. I actually can't believe that video was 40 minutes, felt like it passed in 10.

  • @zachw3548
    @zachw35483 жыл бұрын

    The 3-5+ counterspells that give a bonus effect to me usually feel like 2 for 1ing the opponent and I love playing them in my vial smasher//sakashima deck bc the high cmc just becomes a bunch of damage on the table. Best feeling ever! Great video also

  • @maxmazza2987
    @maxmazza29873 жыл бұрын

    Note for cEDH: effects that counter triggers are basically ran because of Oracle. While there are other abilities that are relevant that "Stifle effects" can counter, if Oracle was banned, I can nearly guarantee they'd stop seeing play. I also feel that you guys represent the mindset of most EDH players, which is figure out something fun or something interesting that you want to make, and then make that deck to the best of your ability with the resources available. Also, tell Ken that there's way better cards to run in Elesh Norn than Mana Tithe, someone needs to.

  • @carlosespadas1022

    @carlosespadas1022

    3 жыл бұрын

    They can also disrupt scepter's imprint ability

  • @maxmazza2987

    @maxmazza2987

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@carlosespadas1022 I'd say disrupting it at activation and forcing someone else to remove it is better, though depends on board state and turn order.

  • @rileypowell5354

    @rileypowell5354

    2 жыл бұрын

    I'm fine stifling bojuka big or tormod's crypt. Some decks just find uses for stifle for incredibly specific reasons

  • @bolosandninjarolls

    @bolosandninjarolls

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@rileypowell5354 this is especially important for those sultai and grixis decks that want to use their graveyards for shenanigans

  • @andykeskimaki5409
    @andykeskimaki54093 жыл бұрын

    I like the power level this channel promotes. Using a scale from 1-10 where 9 & 10 is cEDH, I would say this channel promotes playing in the 7-8 power range. From my experience decks in this range are able to perform at powerful tables and can be piloted to be suitable for lower-powered tables. Keep up the great content my dudes!

  • @RollieB89
    @RollieB893 жыл бұрын

    I remember when cryptic command felt like a staple counterspell and now i forgot about it until now

  • @NitpickingNerds

    @NitpickingNerds

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yeah I've tried it a few times, thankfully I proxied it before buying and wasn't impressed

  • @skrazabs

    @skrazabs

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@NitpickingNerds im into cedh and constructed modern as an aside to my opinion lol, so take with it what you will, but its tap down the team is VERY relevant imho, especially with so many craterhoof decks (at least in my local "casual" meta)

  • @FRAAANKYSUUUPER

    @FRAAANKYSUUUPER

    2 жыл бұрын

    Honestly I was shocked at where cryptic command was put. Tapping down ALL the dudes my opponents control? Bouncing their commander, countering that pesky spell and cantrip? Screams auto include to me for mono blue or decks with good fixing.

  • @NotSoSerious69420

    @NotSoSerious69420

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@FRAAANKYSUUUPER counter spell, bounce mystic sanctuary get it back repeat.

  • @wetherbylumbroso7566
    @wetherbylumbroso75663 жыл бұрын

    Great video as always. Really looking forward to seeing some gameplay from you. Happy New Year!

  • @thorpate1698
    @thorpate16983 жыл бұрын

    Rewind always cast's zero, but it can net positive mana. I was playing my eligeth and siana deck and it untapped my 3 mana flipped dowsing dagger and my guildless commons to really explode and have a huge turn. I reccomend it especially if you play multiple lands that tap for more than one mana source (Bouncelands, temple of the false god, ect. :) feels so good

  • @justcausee
    @justcausee3 жыл бұрын

    I really like steel sabotage and overwhelming denial. Denial is wonderful for protecting a combo line when you're going off, or to end a counter war.

  • @mushclone298
    @mushclone2982 жыл бұрын

    Illumination and Withering Boon are two of my favorite counterspells. Sure their respective colors can deal with what they counter, but sometimes you just really really need something to not hit the battlefield (ETB triggers and instant speed combos, for example).

  • @ivanilarioni7650
    @ivanilarioni76503 жыл бұрын

    In my opinion the reason why you are so amazing is exactly because your content is something in between edh and cedh. I am always watching you and love your content

  • @NitpickingNerds

    @NitpickingNerds

    3 жыл бұрын

    That is what we strive for!

  • @andrewrobles8814
    @andrewrobles88143 жыл бұрын

    I would term you guys as high powered casual. Something with just a bit more bite than the Command Zone but still stalwarts of non-linear gameplay

  • @NitpickingNerds

    @NitpickingNerds

    3 жыл бұрын

    "Stalwarts of non-linear gameplay" I love that description 😂

  • @ExKiwi-yw8er

    @ExKiwi-yw8er

    3 жыл бұрын

    maybe they're a bit more competitive than command zone but the nerds sure as hell feel a lot more welcoming imo

  • @NitpickingNerds

    @NitpickingNerds

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@ExKiwi-yw8er we love all!!!

  • @DKMonsieur
    @DKMonsieur3 жыл бұрын

    Foil is pretty sweet in Rielle, the Everwise. You pitch two lands for a zero mana counterspell and draw two to replace them :)

  • @ewendavidhendrymcgregor1920
    @ewendavidhendrymcgregor19203 жыл бұрын

    Some morph abilities for counters is nice since morph counts as a special action. Like a mana ability. Split second spells are rare, but it's good to throw out a willbender whenever someone is casting one.

  • @chriscortez4729
    @chriscortez4729 Жыл бұрын

    You guys are perfect 🤩 literally the exact power level i want to be playing at !!

  • @larryohh6974
    @larryohh69743 жыл бұрын

    Hey guys, i am a follower since

  • @NitpickingNerds

    @NitpickingNerds

    3 жыл бұрын

    Omg one of our original subscribers!!! Thanks for sticking with us all this time!

  • @markoramius4689
    @markoramius46893 жыл бұрын

    To your CEDH point: I have one CEDH deck, and it's Ruric Thar stax. The single goal of that deck is to demolish blue decks. It's the casual's CEDH deck.

  • @NitpickingNerds

    @NitpickingNerds

    3 жыл бұрын

    The c in CEDH is for casual!

  • @underlinedanddefine1
    @underlinedanddefine13 жыл бұрын

    The X CMC counter spells are perfect for a Mizzix deck. Especially power sink and mana burst!

  • @FaithsFurryCritters
    @FaithsFurryCritters3 жыл бұрын

    I have always liked Disallow, the art with Baral and the versatility of countering an activated or triggered ability has saved my life before!

  • @poofypeanut0221
    @poofypeanut02213 жыл бұрын

    Amazing content, period. (Aside from missing the big one “Narset’s Reversal” which I see was mentioned in the comments) You guys are hitting home runs.

  • @NitpickingNerds

    @NitpickingNerds

    3 жыл бұрын

    All we need to do is turn the home runs into grand slams and we’ll be the Denny’s of magic content!! :D

  • @poofypeanut0221

    @poofypeanut0221

    3 жыл бұрын

    Wow, I have no words lol. What a perfect response

  • @hiddenleaf414
    @hiddenleaf4143 жыл бұрын

    You guys are Optimized. The most practical and competitive a deck can be without actually being in the Cedh category.

  • @NitpickingNerds

    @NitpickingNerds

    3 жыл бұрын

    That’s exactly what we strive for!

  • @ChromeDome72
    @ChromeDome723 жыл бұрын

    Lol, I play both Cedh and casual, from elsha all they way down to a janky spider tribal deck. Firstly, you two are awesome, and secondly I'd say you play 3-4 decks, like not the top decks and strategies that's you'd find on the cedh database and stuff, but you're decks seem to be winning machines that are more spiked than tipical "casual"

  • @GabetheFrog_
    @GabetheFrog_3 жыл бұрын

    The counter spells I like to play are negate, counterspell, and fierce guardianship. Great video, I would love to see gameplay videos and would support a Kickstarter for that.

  • @NitpickingNerds

    @NitpickingNerds

    3 жыл бұрын

    Sometime this year!!!

  • @davidchesterton4033
    @davidchesterton40332 жыл бұрын

    I have always liked the counter spells that exile off the stack like mindbreak trap or summary dismissal. Mainly because some ppl try to slam spells through counters with abilities and it's fun to say no.

  • @paizleyramsey1776
    @paizleyramsey17763 жыл бұрын

    Another great video guys, thanks!

  • @NitpickingNerds

    @NitpickingNerds

    3 жыл бұрын

    Happy to hear it!

  • @Dylfunkle
    @Dylfunkle2 жыл бұрын

    Smashed your goal of 30k, congrats, lads.

  • @sahrazad8213
    @sahrazad82133 жыл бұрын

    Lapse of Certainty and Oblation are two of my favourite white cards

  • @bladetb3934
    @bladetb39343 жыл бұрын

    In regards to dovins veto, they can just let the veto resolve, and then cast a second counter spell on the original thing you wanted to counter. You still force them to have 2 counters, but any counter spell does that

  • @ExKiwi-yw8er
    @ExKiwi-yw8er3 жыл бұрын

    Spell swindle is one of those that I always really wanna play for fun synergy but always gets cut for being 5 mana. Maybe i'll try it for once, since the nerds like it. :)

  • @NitpickingNerds

    @NitpickingNerds

    3 жыл бұрын

    Find a deck that it has synergies with.

  • @allenmeza6786

    @allenmeza6786

    2 жыл бұрын

    I put spell swindle in my jodah deck

  • @jameslaceby6172
    @jameslaceby61722 жыл бұрын

    Arcane denial is one of my favorite cards. Responding to someone's Veto by countering your own spell for the card advantage, it's absolutely great.

  • @NitpickingNerds

    @NitpickingNerds

    2 жыл бұрын

    Arcane Denial is great

  • @speedanderson6
    @speedanderson63 жыл бұрын

    One of my favorites is Whirlwind Denial. It's so versatile in that it's not limited to spells. And honestly, just hold it and time it right for that big bomb, a Planeswalker ultimate trigger, or you name it. And realistically the pay 4 is hefty for a 3 cost. I really enjoyed this list. I disagree on things like Mana Tithe and Voidslime, but it was a enjoyable listen. Cancel is definitely trash though, agreed.

  • @supertombrother1988
    @supertombrother19882 жыл бұрын

    Here's an oldie but goodie for the counterspell list. Snap. Snap is just like rewind, but it only requires two converted mana cost instead of 4, and like rewind it untaps the two mana used to cast it. Now that I think about it, it's probably what rewind was designed to replace.

  • @janderson9413
    @janderson94133 жыл бұрын

    Mystic Confluence is like Thassa's Intervention that you have to cast for x=3, but the tax is more and you can bounce creatures. You can also draw more than just two cards.

  • @danielfrank380
    @danielfrank3802 жыл бұрын

    Great Video! Archmage’s Charm is even better than just controlling artifacts!!! So many things to nab 😋

  • @NitpickingNerds

    @NitpickingNerds

    2 жыл бұрын

    Always takes sol ring lol

  • @mariofisher6340
    @mariofisher63402 жыл бұрын

    i remember running delay and silence in a blue white delver/myth realized deck. that with boomerang and early frost makes for some pissed off opponents.

  • @mjvane46
    @mjvane463 жыл бұрын

    Great video! Sad to see narsets reversal and venser not get any shout out. Iv found thassas intervention to be an all star in my kalamax list. Also remanding your own interaction feels minty!

  • @sora09838
    @sora098383 жыл бұрын

    One of my favorite counter spells (that was not mentioned on this video) is counter flux. I am surprised you did not mention it since it is a three mana counter spell that can't be countered and it has kicker which if you pay it, you counter everything on the stack

  • @drewmares145
    @drewmares145 Жыл бұрын

    I think Spellburst in a Vadrik or Mizzix deck would be kind of interesting. Being able to buy it back with the colorless discount and use it over and over again might be relevant

  • @estebanperez5363
    @estebanperez53632 жыл бұрын

    I play Nimble obstructionist in my Sigg Deck. Sometimes a live saver on a oracle or an hulk, but most of the time it's a flying draw engine.

  • @crashbot01
    @crashbot013 жыл бұрын

    Great advice my counter game is bad more been a GB player so knowing how to pick counter spells for decks has been a problem.

  • @bernardberkner3399
    @bernardberkner33993 жыл бұрын

    Time stop dosent get enough love, I know keeping 6 mana open to counter a spell is a lot, but then again it is such fun to see the person combo on the stack and you go : yea let's empty that stack you've played enough, (I think at this point I might be mostly playing it for the memes of it I should probably take it out of my deck)

  • @lukeranawake8455
    @lukeranawake84553 жыл бұрын

    I hope you guys are able to do gameplay in the future. I’m certain it would be awesome.

  • @NitpickingNerds

    @NitpickingNerds

    3 жыл бұрын

    Absolutely on our to-do list

  • @jonassilva2099
    @jonassilva20992 жыл бұрын

    Best non-blue counterspells: Tibalt's Trickery, Mana Titheand, "Veil of the Summer" (ok, the last one doesn't counter, but it frustrates your opponent as any counter does 99% of the time).

  • @yumyumeatemup
    @yumyumeatemup3 жыл бұрын

    When it comes to running counter magic I always fine the tried and true double blue to be a most trusty go to. Sure free counter is always welcome but I sometimes dont want to pitch cards in my hand unless I absolutely HAVE to. rather just spend the double blue! LOL

  • @NitpickingNerds

    @NitpickingNerds

    3 жыл бұрын

    The free spells can be worse in certain metas fir sure.

  • @Kaisingsens
    @Kaisingsens3 жыл бұрын

    Awesome ! Thanks ! :D

  • @AllegoryGar
    @AllegoryGar3 жыл бұрын

    I don’t think remand gets enough love in this format. It seems unintuitive in commander but honestly, for 1B the best case scenario being you timewalk someone, and worst case is you cycle it and trip someone up is great in my mind.

  • @NitpickingNerds

    @NitpickingNerds

    3 жыл бұрын

    It maybe better than we think. We haven’t played a lot.

  • @quicogil4565
    @quicogil45653 жыл бұрын

    Gavi Nest Warden is the deck for Nimble Obstructionist, as it costs 0 to cycle, you counter a trigger and you draw for free

  • @NitpickingNerds

    @NitpickingNerds

    3 жыл бұрын

    I would agree that it fits perfectly in that deck.

  • @harrisonheppelmann7938
    @harrisonheppelmann79383 жыл бұрын

    Personally I love your power level. You’re not hiding the intent to make wack strategies as good as possible. I’d take your content over Command Zone because at least here I’m not getting hypocritical advice that’s homogenized, regurgitated Reddit posts. You guys feel top end casual without everything going combo, combo, combo. All quality

  • @NitpickingNerds

    @NitpickingNerds

    3 жыл бұрын

    Though we do advocate some combos

  • @InternetHumanMan
    @InternetHumanMan3 жыл бұрын

    Theres 3 things I wish every gameplay channel had: turn counter, hand size and something to show how long the game was in real time. Here's to another good year of nitpicking !

  • @NitpickingNerds

    @NitpickingNerds

    3 жыл бұрын

    Hey that’s good to know, thanks for your input! What channels do you watch?

  • @InternetHumanMan

    @InternetHumanMan

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@NitpickingNerds i watch just a few: Mtg muddstah mtg the stack commander replay split second (one of my favourites) the trinisphere the 99 casually competitive mtg (my favourite) Quest for the janklord laboratory maniacs affinity for commander Playing with power mtg The command zone (not a big fan)

  • @NitpickingNerds

    @NitpickingNerds

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@InternetHumanMan that’s like all of them lol

  • @danconnelly8068
    @danconnelly80683 жыл бұрын

    Great video, y’all really help a Timmy like me to learn the game

  • @NitpickingNerds

    @NitpickingNerds

    3 жыл бұрын

    So happy to hear it! Hopefully you've checked out our other "Worth It" videos too! :D

  • @Wewerka001
    @Wewerka0012 жыл бұрын

    My favourite EDH counterspell is Muddle the Mixture.

  • @jamesbeck3862
    @jamesbeck38623 жыл бұрын

    Lifeforce! Honorable mention.

  • @anazron805811
    @anazron8058113 жыл бұрын

    I once ran rewind and unwind in a Taigam ojutai master deck, as if I had to counter removal before I attacked with Taigam, it would mean less mana to rebound with. It's just one of those niche cases where a counterspell like that can really pay off.

  • @calebzuercher3772

    @calebzuercher3772

    3 жыл бұрын

    That interaction actually isn't great because it only works if it is your turn, after Taigam attacks, and only if someone casts a spell on your next upkeep, when they know you can rebound the counter.

  • @anazron805811

    @anazron805811

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@calebzuercher3772 Well, yes, just during my turn, but not only after Taigam attacks. The idea is that someone might try and kill Taigam before I go to attacks but after i move to attacks, in order to stop me from giving him haste. Maybe it's still not good, but that was my idea.

  • @michaeldavis9807
    @michaeldavis98073 жыл бұрын

    Im surprised Trickbind wasnt mentioned for Cedh. It is one of my number one includes because of the split second.

  • @NecromancerNightmare
    @NecromancerNightmare3 жыл бұрын

    Forbid is gross in the right deck. Also, cryptic is great guys, mono blue loves it since it removes anything, including lands. From t4 onwards you can tempo screw someone and counter another person, which is a sweet 2 for 1.

  • @theunwittingj9525
    @theunwittingj95253 жыл бұрын

    It's crazy how many of these are actually all very viable in a Baral deck which is nice

  • @dino-wer-kuh3498
    @dino-wer-kuh34983 жыл бұрын

    oh wow, im sooo hyped for this vid! i love saying "no!"! but nothing beats saying "no!" for 0-2CMC!

  • @NitpickingNerds

    @NitpickingNerds

    3 жыл бұрын

    We couldn’t agree more!

  • @Treanorium
    @Treanorium3 жыл бұрын

    On Dovin's Veto. The problem with it is that several cards can just UNO reverse its upside. Unsubstantiate, Commit // Memory, Narset's Reversal all can get around the upside. It's a good card, a better counterspell, but it won't always solve your counter war problem

  • @zchwen
    @zchwen3 жыл бұрын

    Rewind is a good card in something like Jhoira of the ghitu, you can hold the 4 mana, coutner something, then you can still suspend 2 things. Nothing changed more than value counterspell.

  • @timhartel8012
    @timhartel80123 жыл бұрын

    You guys are like great value josh and jimmy from command zone and I love it haha

  • @milohobo9186
    @milohobo91863 жыл бұрын

    I'm running a few creature counter magic cards under Chulane so I can counter and get the card draw and possible extra land drop.

  • @grinreaperoftrolls7528
    @grinreaperoftrolls75283 жыл бұрын

    Glen with spark double is amazing

  • @elijahferrer4403
    @elijahferrer44032 жыл бұрын

    Here are the best counterspells that you need when it comes if you are in the budget this is just my personal choice... Budget counterspells: Mana Leak, Convolute, Devious Cover-Up, Miscast, and Whirlwind Denial, and lastly Swan Song Expensive Counterspells: Force of Will, Mana Drain, Force of Negation, Pact of Negation

  • @ahoyturtle
    @ahoyturtle3 жыл бұрын

    A few cards I'm surprised didn't get a mention: Flusterstorm- the Ur-force spike. A CEDH staple. Trickbind- Stifle's better brother. For 1 extra generic mana you get split second, and win control of the stack. Mindbreak Trap- slightly more playgroup dependent. You exile spells from the stack, and if there are 3 or more spells, it's free. When it's good, it's game winning good. When it's bad, it's still pretty good.

  • @xayidegreymind5782
    @xayidegreymind57822 жыл бұрын

    I found override, going to see how it works in my artifact deck

  • @crawdaddy2004
    @crawdaddy20043 жыл бұрын

    I realize this is very deck-specific, but Spellstutter Sprite plus Riptide Laboratory is amazing. Venser works, to, but that’s two more mana. You get the cast/EtB effects.

  • @dino-wer-kuh3498

    @dino-wer-kuh3498

    3 жыл бұрын

    i love spellstutter sprite

  • @crawdaddy2004

    @crawdaddy2004

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@dino-wer-kuh3498 Fair point, however, I did say it was very deck-specific. Of note, Glen Alendra Archmage is both a faerie and a wizard (that can be bounced with Riptide Lab to reset it). I have an Alela 1v1 Commander deck. However, the Archmage is a bit too expensive for the deck - only so many slots for 4-drops (especially that require additional investment).

  • @proteus404
    @proteus4043 жыл бұрын

    With so many commanders and stamples having triggered or activated abilities, Disallow is a good toolbox cards.

  • @esrohm6460
    @esrohm64603 жыл бұрын

    if gain control counts as counter spell than change the target should also be counted. of cause you cant change the target of a creature spell and not all instants and sorcery's have have targets, but sometimes spells have targets when they shouldn't like time warp and thats probably the most insane target for change the target, but its basically a very restricted gain control and most of those effects are in red so its basically just the added text "with one or more targets" because its red compared to the blue version that just says gain control.

  • @Devilish420
    @Devilish4202 жыл бұрын

    I'm surprised that yall didn't mention overwhelming denial. That counterspell has came through for me a lot. That surge mechanic the spell has is a godsend on top of countering any spell and being uncounterable. I have it in my aminatou deck and I secured a win with approach of the second sun. Someone tried to play a fierce guardianship after I seen everyone was tapped out but that surge cost came in clutch 😎

  • @nobodyfromnowwhere7510
    @nobodyfromnowwhere75103 жыл бұрын

    If Remand gets a nod, so should Narset's Reversal. It isn't a "true" counterspell, but it's a counter that can win you the game.

  • @NitpickingNerds

    @NitpickingNerds

    3 жыл бұрын

    We love that card! It was just accidentally left out!

  • @hobez64
    @hobez642 жыл бұрын

    I got a guy that plays a Dimir Flash deck and his absolute favorite counterspell is Rewind. It's literally free for him because he almost always holds up 4 mana at the end of his turns

  • @Cudcudcudcudcuscuski
    @Cudcudcudcudcuscuski3 жыл бұрын

    Spell swindle is rediculous in Urza. Even if you counter a 3 or 4 cmc spell, you still have a few arcane signets essentially, plus you can sac them if Urza gets removed.

  • @NitpickingNerds

    @NitpickingNerds

    3 жыл бұрын

    Plus Urza offsets the difficulty of holding up 5 mana

  • @nickhughes8179
    @nickhughes81792 жыл бұрын

    Counterspells I will often run are Free cast- Fierce Guardianship, 1cmc- Swan Song, Annul, and Ceremonious Rejection. 2cmc- Arcane Denial, Counterspell, Mana Drain, Withering Boon, Heroic Intervention, and Izzet Charm 3cmc- Nimble Obstructionist, Dissipate, Void Shatter, Lapse of Certainty 4 and up. Mystic Confluence If I had an Azorius, Esper, or Jeskai deck, I'd run Dovin's Veto. Corner Cases. Illumination, Thwart, Foil, If I owned these cards, I'd run them- Stubborn Denial, Envelop, Rebuff the Wicked, Muddle the Mixture, Unwind, Cryptic Command, Desertion, Stifle, Trickbind, and obviously Force of Will and Force of Negation

  • @radiohead6283
    @radiohead62833 жыл бұрын

    Abjure... Super random but has done me good the times I've used it.

  • @karenwest6350
    @karenwest63503 жыл бұрын

    Weird one: Dawn Charm. 1W, counters target spell that targets you, but can also regen creatures and prevent combat damage. A little iffy, but there's no reason I wouldn't put this in something like Feather (or any boros deck in a lower power level really)

  • @InsanoRider777

    @InsanoRider777

    3 жыл бұрын

    Dawn Charm and Lapse of Certainty should be white staples, especially if you're running Boros. They give white tricks and answers that white doesn't otherwise have, plus they're both in Sunforger range, meaning they won't necessarily need to be in your hand if someone's trying to wipe your board or make you sac an indestructible/protected creature; just remove Sunforger and BAM immediate counter.

  • @deepspeed84

    @deepspeed84

    3 жыл бұрын

    I've played three games with my new Boros deck and I think Dawn Charm has saved me every time. Sunforging for DC to stop a Villainous Wealth feels pretty good.

  • @zukaras1
    @zukaras13 жыл бұрын

    Spell shrivel and whirlwind denial is my favs

  • @thatguymatt2965
    @thatguymatt29653 жыл бұрын

    Awesome video, guys! =)

  • @NitpickingNerds

    @NitpickingNerds

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for saying so!

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    @Jonzin4BeatzNYC3 жыл бұрын

    New Subscriber for 2021 here from Bronx NY!

  • @NitpickingNerds

    @NitpickingNerds

    3 жыл бұрын

    Woohoo, glad to have you! This will be the year of the Nerds!

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    @hcfc42483 жыл бұрын

    Wow you guys are awesome

  • @RazgrizAce67
    @RazgrizAce673 жыл бұрын

    You guys hit exactly the spot I play in too which is exactly how Beezy described it: take a silly idea that is not competitive and then make it the best version of that possible. Most fun there is! Let cEDH and super casual folks complain how they wsnt.

  • @NitpickingNerds

    @NitpickingNerds

    3 жыл бұрын

    Much love!!!

  • @NitpickingNerds

    @NitpickingNerds

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the support glad we share philosophies!

  • @PawzBrownMTG
    @PawzBrownMTG3 жыл бұрын

    That's such a sublime epiphany. Giggity lol it's so cool love it

  • @NitpickingNerds

    @NitpickingNerds

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks pawz

  • @mrlucky704
    @mrlucky7043 жыл бұрын

    glad you mention desertion, I love the art and its in my edric gain control of stuff deck. I also think Hinder deserves a little more love due to Tunnel Vision being a win condition if paired together. That picture in the background with the full art lands is awesome looking. Is something like that expensive? Where did you get it?

  • @Fckthishandle
    @Fckthishandle3 жыл бұрын

    I was skipping around your video so I may have missed it, but did you guys mention Mindbreak Trap, Summary Dismissal and Whirlwind Denial? I use them for anti-cascade strategies really hoses Maelstrom Wander - which is always a good thing!! Also these can help in a wizard counter war.

  • @NitpickingNerds

    @NitpickingNerds

    3 жыл бұрын

    We didn’t talk about any of those but they are all good meta calls.

  • @NitpickingNerds

    @NitpickingNerds

    3 жыл бұрын

    We aren't really fans of them but we didn't stick them in traps either, so they're somewhere in the middle. Not really cards you'll see us build with though

  • @grovestreet1520
    @grovestreet15203 жыл бұрын

    I think you underrated disallow, voidslime, and nimble obstructionist. You pay extra for flexibility and having a built in bonus that answers something already on board that's about to trigger can ruin an opponents win and turn the table. There are also tons of weird interactions that occur just from activated or triggered abilities and being able to jump in between the steps your opponent takes for granted can really disrupt them. Just my opinion

  • @maxwellnichols3873
    @maxwellnichols38733 жыл бұрын

    I think Logic Knot is a playable x-cost spell. Synergy has to be there, but in a heavy graveyard deck, or one that cares about top of graveyard, I would jam it

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    @xaveristunderrattet46633 жыл бұрын

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  • @NitpickingNerds

    @NitpickingNerds

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks so much, hope to see more comments from you soon!

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    @uckfayooglegay99822 жыл бұрын

    I hope you make it to 30k subs by the end of the year!

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