Let me know which laptop you guys decide on!

I dont understand your scoring system for price, shouldn't a more expensive laptop get a lower score?

@DavidTomic

5 ай бұрын

Understand your logic and technically yes, however the old saying you get what you pay for is applicable in most cases

@lvseka

5 ай бұрын

@@DavidTomic So is it a pro to cost more or are we looking for value?

@MrPotato_Cod

4 ай бұрын

Gaming laptops are always expensive and to get the best performance for the money you always have to spend extra money to get best performance to price ratio. Bigger thing these days is gpu being really good such as 4060 and 4070 mobile BUT there smaller Vram holds them back it just something GPU brand control and not the laptop brand it self It been roughly 7 weeks until I Start finding my laptop, and I came down to any asus rog series with 4080 with 32gb or Alienware x16 or m16 (r2 if soon comes with 4080 with 32gb) .

@colter6219

4 ай бұрын

@@lvsekayeah i wouldn’t take tech advice from someone who doesn’t understand a basic scoring system

@lvseka

4 ай бұрын

@@colter6219 Sorry is that me or him?

What even is this list. Why would you ever consider a 3000$+ laptop with an rtx 4050 is beyond me, unless it's to justify the even more ridicolous price of that macbook. There's plenty of budget laptops with those same specs, or laptopts at the same price point with literal beast configurations. For some reason now also more expensive equals better score. Also, unless your primary focus is real time rendering like twinmotion, unreal engine, d5 and such, please consider CPU and RAM first of all, which are not even mentioned in the video. There's plenty of gaming laptops out there with solid GPU but CPUs and RAM that are fine for gaming but just won't cut it for any sort of complex CAD/BIM work

@DavidTomic

5 ай бұрын

If you’re an architect in the industry today you are using real time rendering. I don’t know any successful or up and coming architects who aren’t (excluding those who have already succeeded in their careers and rarely use computers anymore).

@vmafarah9473

Ай бұрын

He is a fool, this is the worst video on youtube for recommending laptops for architecture students.

Hey mate, I think there's a few problems with your video. I think your scoring methodology is severely flawed and inconsistent. Pricing as your scoring category doesn't really make sense as a higher price will command a better score, irrespective of quality. It may be better to place more emphasis on value instead. You list the dell xps as having a 7hr battery on OLED, giving it a score of 3, but give the 9hr batter life of the lenovo a 1. Your screen category lists inconsistent criteria. Ips and oled are display panel technologies, whilst QHD and FHD are resolutions, which may apply to both displays. Apple's XDR display is also a type of IPS panel too. I hope potential shoppers do their due diligence elsewhere. Take this video with a huge rock of salt.

@lvseka

5 ай бұрын

Thank you for this. This is probably the worst piece of review for me architects tbh. I hope nobody ever considers it to be a serious review. Not to mention how blaze he treats professional app compatibility for the MacBook. Really a shame

@HarD4545

3 ай бұрын

@@lvseka Yeah, don't even bother with his tier list. Giving the Macbook an S rank for architect workload is just plain crazy.

This is the firs video I've ever seen where someone equates expensive to higher score lol... also the MBP in S tier...really?!

My first laptop was an older model MSI stealth. Thing was a beast, I did most my studies and my first 3 years as a sole-trader with it. Even now I use it if going on the road. Daily driver is a full spec desktop. Found that RAM makes a bigger difference than GPU.

@abdullaheslek4641

Ай бұрын

Have you experienced any problems with the programs you use? What is your heaviest program on this computer? thank you.

@MaxGDesign

Ай бұрын

@@abdullaheslek4641 I run archicad and premiere pro. No problems running them. The only problem I had was physical, I had to replace a GPU fan

At this point, any 2018-2020 laptop with high specs would do just fine.

Hi David i like your work we need you to do a review for the new update for the archicad 27

@DavidTomic

5 ай бұрын

Best version to date. Worth upgrading.

What about Dell prescion 7730 workstation, is this good for Architects?

Wouldn’t put Apple at S tier because it doesn’t run REVIT like you said. Definitely A tier tho!

@DavidTomic

5 ай бұрын

If you need it to run revit then it’s not even worth considering hence why I still put it in the S tier. Incredible performance and power

How to get the laptop I love but cannot run Revit or most programs to win? > Lets give higher score for higher price > Screen is one thing better, so give that a lot of importance even though creators are going to use a second screen for work and a TV to watch movies > Laptop running 9 hours can be a problem so lets give it low score for no reason > Lets skip talking abt RAM > Give Apple a super score for everything as its powers are in a different language and cannot do any actual 3D work or play.

Is the m3 pro any good?

A Mac shouldn’t be an architect laptop

@vmafarah9473

Ай бұрын

especially for students, macs often dont have students license for arch apps.

Just bought MacBook Pro with M3Pro and honestly it blew my mind. its more powerful than my previous Asus laptop with RTX 2070, while also holding up a whole day. Asus died in like 6 hours of web surfing, and doc station weight like a kilo lol, that's why I hated bringing it outside, and just used at home.

@DavidTomic

5 ай бұрын

Once you go Mac you never go back 😂

@michaelraimi1377

4 ай бұрын

Intresting. I will like to know if you tried Revit and 3D max using parallel on the device. I really love Mac but not sure how well those applications runs on it

@rustyexe9378

4 ай бұрын

@@michaelraimi1377 unfortunately, no. But I use ArchiCad for my uni and VectorWorks at work. Both of them are super fast.

can i consider alienware in the option?

I just started archi school in September and I got the MSI Stealth 16 studio with an RTX4070, it also has a qhd screen and has 240hz so its very smooth. Its also very light just weighing under 2kg and is a great purchase if your an architecture student. However, it has an atrocious battery life.

@DavidTomic

5 ай бұрын

Most MSI laptops are designed to sit on a desk and be plugged in, that is the worst part about them, otherwise they’re great devices

Mac have render programs problem What can i do i have a imac

@DavidTomic

5 ай бұрын

Depending on the version of iMac probably not much unless you’ve got an m3 max chip. Outsource it would be another option

@rouner1739

4 ай бұрын

@@DavidTomicbut it’s not enough

Hey David, feeling sad you got such a backlash for creating such video, this helped me a lot and I am considering to buy a Macbook Pro, so can you please list the complete MacBook compatible architecture software list so that i can make the final call to buy one. Thanks.

Everything about the Mac is s tier except the lack of path tracing in rendering and revit

@DavidTomic

5 ай бұрын

Agreed

@lvseka

5 ай бұрын

Software support is crucial. It's a major part of any Architects needs it deserves a lower score than 4 on that surely. Secondly, I beg to differ on the screen. It's a good screen but not necessarily better than the rest. It's also too expensive to be honest and this scoring system doesn't work very well to reflect that. That more expensive laptops get a higher score, really?

@johnkellett7797

5 ай бұрын

The new Silicon chips don’t lack ray tracing etc and support BIM software that is better (not most popular, there is a difference) than Revit.

I disagree on the screen part of every laptop. OLED aren't necessarily better than IPS screens and depends on the quality of the panel. The apple laptop was given a high score for having an "XDR" screen which is an IPS screen and the reason why the score was high was because he used an "XDR" display. Well the Lenovo laptop had an IPS display and gave it a score of 2 even without using it physically 😂

@lvseka

5 ай бұрын

There are people whose biases just scream. He's one of them.

@DavidTomic

5 ай бұрын

I encourage you to prove me wrong. There is no display on this list even close to the MacBook and IPS on the Lenovo is burly in comparison IMO. When you spend 16hrs a day looking at a screen including the smallest of details, this matters more than you think

@AlexHo_04

5 ай бұрын

​@DavidTomic think this one flew over your head. He wasn't arguing that the XDR display was a bad display. He was poking holes in your scoring for XDR vs IPS. Both are IPS...

of course you give apple to much credits. video photoshop ok, but 3D architecture ? rendering ? on scale of 10 not more than 4. No lumion no revit i can continue, i have a macbook 14 pro, great for sketchup archicad, but no more, twinmotion lags like hell, of course you talk about M3 pro or Max, i dont saw yet performance un raytrace, but what ? youre stick to twinmotion ?

@isacferreira6804

3 ай бұрын

if someone want others options kzread.info/dash/bejne/jKKKsa-ygc2XmMo.html

I have a bell N5050 which about 19 years old now, I had it since I was about 16 years old, I am now 34

@DavidTomic

5 ай бұрын

That’s impressive

Since the MacBookPro M3max runs the best software: Vectorworks, ArchiCAD, TwinMotion and Enscape why mark it down for compatibility? Another factor is that the Apple Silicon laptops and desktops use far less electrical energy (about half) :-) It therefore runs ALL the software and architecture needs. There is no software U am missing having used just Apple hardware for 20 years, replacing each (laptop and desktop) after a minimum of 6 years.

@DavidTomic

5 ай бұрын

I agree with you John, I’ve never had an issue with it. However many do use revit and i felt it fair to mark down a little. Heaps of people already complaining I didn’t mark it down enough haha

😂 me thought i could buy one for under 1500€ 😅

@vmafarah9473

Ай бұрын

yes this video is the worst. get an RTX 3070 laptop of last gen or RTX 4060 for cheaper price. GPU matters

How does the macbook get a score of 4 on software support when its the one that doesn't support a number of key software. Surely!!! You're biases are screaming out loud. That thing should be in B tier for Architects.

@DavidTomic

5 ай бұрын

I am a little bias, yes, but I am also over a decade into my career with Mac never being a hindering factor. Never have I gone oh shame wish I went back to windows to use this program so my design could be better.

@lvseka

5 ай бұрын

@@DavidTomic I'm also over a decade in the career as well and yes I've seen it hindering many, either by completely locking out many people with specific workflows or by people not accessing certain features there software has to offer. Revit and D5 for example are a big deal for many, the fact that you have to spend extra cash to access these is not ideal, just get a windows device. The fact that you pay for Twinmotion to not be able to use ray tracing is also absurd. I'm not sure Twinmotion has even updated their software to support this, but it's already being counted as a win? Nah, it works for you, and it's fine to admit that. But when reviewing a device for the general Architecture community, honesty while taking into account what others experience is important. I'm fortunate like you, that I use Archicad daily, but I have had situations where I needed to use Revit or learn D5 and those were concerning moments. Every time I've needed to make a hyper realistic rendering, I've had to turn to a windows device that supports those features.

Macbook Pro should've been in the E tier for architecture. And every other Macs, too. No Revit, No 3dsmax, no Vray GPU or Corona, no Lumion, no D5 "But I can run Windows software with Parallels. Duhh!" Bruh, it's a VM. Good luck working with your unoptimized software. If you're an architect, just get a Windows machine with at least an RTX 3060 or higher, a new-gen i7 or Ryzen 7 or higher, and 16 GB of RAM or more. Render engines are just fully optimized with Nvidia RTX cards and x86 processor. Don't even bother buying Macs. Period. No excuses

@DavidTomic

3 ай бұрын

Not sure what you do all day as an architect but literally less than 1% of my job is rendering and I haven’t used revit professionally for over a decade. If you’re a sole practice that does a lot of renders then yes, but at that level enscape and twinmotion are the first choice to ensure your business is profitable. If you’re a student, then renders are also important as let’s be honest thats what you’re graded on most of the time.

@savanahkonia1101

Ай бұрын

I completely agree with your perspective! While pursuing my Masters in Architecture in NZ, I've gone through two MacBooks, each considered the best at the time, but they all succumbed to the workload and killed the motherboard. Now, I'm switching to Windows, as most firms here prefer it for renders. Even the leading NZ firm, which creates its own renders, despises Macs. In the professional realm, Macs struggle with Revit, which is a minority software among NZ firms. Plus, the battery life deteriorates rapidly over time. So, yes, I wholeheartedly agree with your observation.

@kiwikronnix

Ай бұрын

@@savanahkonia1101 Kia Ora, im starting Architecture at Uni in wellington next year and I am finding it difficult to choose a laptop for my studies. I really want a Mac because of its compatibility with my other devices(iPhone, iPad, airpods) , as well as its ability to be used at its full potential without needing to be plugged in, and because of its battery life lasting longer than 99% of windows computers. However I understand windows laptops have access to more software which is great, and usually has better results in terms of performance while rendering and undergoing heavy workloads. I also already have a desktop Windows PC which can render just fine so I'm still unsure on what laptop to purchase. please any help would be appreciated.

WTF IS THAT? 🤣Better watch Jarrod's Tech channel for laptop reviews and do your research for the specs needed for your architectural works. You can get a better value for any other laptop that isn't included in this video, especially the students with tight budget

You shouldn’t be doing this, based on your tier scoring system a $15000 Mac Pro is better than a $7000 Mac Studio, both have the same hardware and software but the Mac Pro is a lot more expensive just for the case, the expansion ports are useless. Any other laptop tier list even from the most stupid KZreadr would score the price according to what you get not just assume your getting the best just for paying more, the dell xps is the best example of an expensive laptop that lacks of hardware power of another laptop with a similar or even lower price.

EWWWW. worst ;laptop recommendation video ever created on youtube for a specific profession. Take down this before people judge you.