I love that Jung’s ‘flaws’ are merely that he had particular focuses and leanings. No individual thinker will cover everything.

@jeffp3999

Жыл бұрын

@@rogergillion4493 interesting you mentioned a cult-ure mantra 'AMEN'. The same 'word' rather vibration, is mentioned in many cult-ures around the world, AMUN ancient Egypt, AMEEN Islam, AUM Hindu, OM Buddhist, same sound different dialects.

@phoenixfire2445

Жыл бұрын

I agree. Consciousness may be just as expansive as space; I think there is always new ground to cover.

@spockboy

Жыл бұрын

@@phoenixfire2445 And always will be. The Universe is a big place.

@OnceTheyNamedMeiWasnt

9 ай бұрын

I love how Jung's flaws were that he had it all sussed and understood the way you need to be. Not all this outwards, social and other rubbish stuff that Dr Peterson talks about.

"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." - Jiddu Krishnamurti

@keithjohnsonYT

Жыл бұрын

The book is a collection of observations and reflections, it is not a script.

@immanuelcunt7296

Жыл бұрын

You can be adjusted to a sick society without being sick. Jiddu is a hack. And most societies are healthy, the sick ones die

@donnafoster5215

Жыл бұрын

Not all of society is sick. What we see outside is a projection of we what we hold inside.

@davidjairala69

Жыл бұрын

You could define a sick society as one which resists such a state of well-adjustment. Of course, sick societies have their beneficiaries.

@everything...interesting

Жыл бұрын

@@donnafoster5215 the latter claim is not necessarily true. It's one of the weaker statements Jung made. You can actually just see things for how they are. And if you think American society as a whole is psychologically healthy at the current moment, you're probably incapable of making an accurate assessment about anything.

I didn't think I'd see the day! Haha This is good for all the JBP critics to hear him explain himself outside his more memeable self image. God Bless my man, love what you do.

I start reading Jung following some people that always were referring to him in their studies, and even when this technology appear my first search in KZread where C Jung and I landed in this channel since then I follow JP , Jung's writings and deep wisdom change my life completely... I return to my religion Catholicism in a way that I found meaning in my life and understanding was a corner stone to my true conversion....

@lawdogwales5921

Жыл бұрын

Nice.

@sebsebseb1905

Жыл бұрын

I am christian orthodox, that doesn't matter much, the idea is that because of Jung I understand christianity a lot better and it made me a true believer.

@sylvanbear7125

Жыл бұрын

@@sebsebseb1905 Interesting, since so many Christians regard Jung as a Gnostic heretic. Jung had no objection to a person's following the Christian path if indeed he were called to it, but he insisted that it was not the path for everybody, the proselytizing tendency of Christianity being especially odious to him.

@sebsebseb1905

Жыл бұрын

@@sylvanbear7125 I really can't explain it, I started reading the Bible, the Old Testament, with a critical eye and said "ok, it's cool, it's not even about God, it's about human nature using the jews as example", but it was boring so around Easter I started the New Testament expecting it to be a good book, but looking to see how much Jesus is fiction, I was under the impression of the happy hippie portrayed in the media. And I'll be 100% honest, reading the gospel brought me to tears, reading it alone at night it moves me every time, it brings me to tears, Jesus IS God, I have no doubt in my mind and in my heart, it is not something I took from the putside, it is something I came to understand and realise from within. And then the more I thought about things the more I realised things which I consider universal truths and I can't even explain how much stability this has brought to my life and to my mental being.

@jeffp3999

Жыл бұрын

Miss the old days of 40 days and nights severely fasting and meditating in the desert alone and near drownings to see the light of Holy Spirit AMUN 🌞💖👁️

I learn something every time I watch you. Thank you.

Success/satisfaction/happiness in life is all about good HABITS. There are NO SILVER BULLETS in life, it’s about all the little pieces. Every day, all the time.

Thank you Jordan. Much appreciated.

The second half is also good. I hope it is made into its own clip about organizing your life.

congratulations on your new book release Dr. Peterson

finding purpose and actualisation can be found.. for the highly agreeable in their relationships. for the conscientious in their work and outward contribution to society.. to open creatives in a spiritual transcendence and/or organisation of their inner world

Thank you!

Love it. 💯

❤ Thank you! 🇧🇴

Absolutely true. Personally I lean pretty hard toward being a creative, introverted religious mystic, so Jung works well for me. But I'm really stuck at the Anima stage of Individuation, and I think it requires some social/real world relationship work. One thing I've learned is that dreams are telling you what you need to do in waking life. Jung hardly mentions that, but if you understand it then the Jungian stuff starts to work better.

@lawdogwales5921

Жыл бұрын

So true.

@puppetmaster8514

Жыл бұрын

yep, as Freud said, wish fulfillment.

@jeffp3999

Жыл бұрын

Interesting stage, may I suggest you do things that are traditionally perceived 'feminine' in western cult-ure, intuiting and divining. Like Tarot, pendulum work, witchcraft, calling on angels, acting feminine for a while, anything you consider feminine qualities, also analyse the character traits of women in your life, any considered 'negative' traits synonymise them in the affirmative and work to realise them, integrate them as yourSelf.

@HeyMykee

Жыл бұрын

@@puppetmaster8514 I can't agree with this. Freud was wrong in this case, and Jung was right. A dream is a correction of a wrong waking attitude. In fact that's what the messages from the unconscious are, dreams being one form of them.

@HeyMykee

Жыл бұрын

@@jeffp3999 Thank you, I will definitely do this.

you the man

Extroversion is my lowest trait and Openness is my highest, so my infatuation with Jung makes perfect sense...

@AndreasNilsson96

Жыл бұрын

Well, if you're an introvert, you have just put the extroverted part of you in your shadow. Reown that part and be whole again

For Christians who struggle with what JP calls neuroticism, focusing on negative thoughts, check this insight out. I used to dismiss Php. 4:8 as just a strange "look on the bright side" verse until I realize when you behold something beautiful or godly, you are changed and become a little more godly as a result. It can snowball and lead to spirit filled joy. But if you're consumed in post enlightenment analysis all the time, you drift into nihilism even as you consider yourself a warrior for the truth. We learned by what I've heard called "empathic resonance" as a child, mimicking our elders until we build competence. But I find that pathway gets short shrift for too many adults, at least in the west. So seeking out the beautiful and praiseworthy is important after all and not shallow panacea as I cynically thought. Live and learn. Another of Paul's verses justifies itself.

I'm creative and agreeable from a blue-collar family. The rest of my family truly does not care for introspection. My agreeability has been dying pretty hard; trying to place my identity in family/friends led to constant disappointment, but the alienation seems to have further enhanced my creativity. I've needed to be my own reward, and create for the pleasure of it, knowing that the ppl around me who avoid the difficult practice of thinking critically simply do not WANT to see that I have something of myself. The guy with a wife and kid and dog and an escalade, or something nice, can think I should covet these externally sourced assets that they feel validates their place in society; materialism reveals itself as empty, so those oriented around crediting themselves for owning or possessing stuff do not find it enough to have those things they thought they were supposed to want; they need others to want their stuff too and to measure you as less for your supposed wanting of it, but while they, then, actually covet the satisfaction one can have of their own capability. Don't share creative work with friends or family. They don't WANT to like it and cannot even conceive of your creation; they do not feel apt to judge your writing or music or illustrations, so they judge YOU instead, like anything you make is about you or them or something in the external. To prioritize education in writing the way we do reading would go a long way in offering a sense of meaning to our ppl. Until ppl are encouraged to write on abstract or nuanced subjects, they won't try at the question of what is meaningful; they'll just buy something instead.

@HeyMykee

Жыл бұрын

If you want to defuse your agreeableness study Stoicism and assertiveness. Also use exposure therapy to face your fears again and again and they will erode gradually. I supplemented all this with weight training and became able to stand up for myself whenever necessary, though when it isn't necessary you can relax and be as agreeable as you please. But be ready to harden up at a moment's notice whenever you need to. For Stoicism you can begin with videos by Ryan Holiday. A great starting point.

@phoenixfire2445

Жыл бұрын

@@HeyMykee I like what I've taken from the stoics but haven't dedicated any study to a particular text. I found a lot of solace in the Taoist teachings, which offers a sense of acceptance within surrender, but stoicism and assertiveness sound especially appropriate after identifying what should or shouldn't first be accepted. So thank you, that seems like a well-timed recommendation.

@HeyMykee

Жыл бұрын

@@phoenixfire2445 One important thing I needed to learn along with stoicism-the Serenity Prayer-God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, courage to change the things I can, and wisdom to know the difference. Keep in mind that second part-the courage to change what you can. Otherwise stoicism can lean too hard into nothing but acceptance.

@sapvad2762

Жыл бұрын

This was more useful for me than what JP had to say. Thanks for sharing!

@HeyMykee

Жыл бұрын

@@phoenixfire2445 Rather than an ancient text I would go with a modern book that teaches you to be a stoic. One of the best I've found is called *Stoicism and the Art of Happiness.*

Lovely man

Interesting. I frame my life according to my knowing, learning & intuition. Each life, should be its own & NO ONE should have any say in its framework, aside from self responsibilities.

Hi Jordan i think it would be a good idea to breakdown crumb just like you did that to lion king.

I personally thought that what Jung lacked was a small percentage of Viktor Frankl. Jung stressed a lot that the Adventure of Life was an internal one and made almost the external elements of Life useless. I believe the internal Life is as much as important as the external one. One must get to know oneself and undergo certain transformation along the individuation Journey but one must also fulfill the tasks that can only be fulfilled by him in the external Life.

@oggeboijkpg7157

Жыл бұрын

Jung was not a non-dual thinker, he would never say or argue that “life is an internal adventure and external life is useless”, if you believe this you have misinterpreted Jung.

@HeyMykee

Жыл бұрын

Yes, he actually did say that it's vitally important to develop yourself socially and in a relationship and have a career and a family, and to meet all the requirements of external life.

@hhchirag5631

Жыл бұрын

@@HeyMykee yes but the emphasis that has been given on the intrinsically mystic side has not been given to the social interactions that is the whole point he emphasised more on the intrinsic divinity

I am mostly in agreement with Dr. Peterson's analysis of Jung's theoretical shortcomings, particularly in respect to his neglect of typifying neuroticism as a core personality trait. Although, even that omission can be understood when you consider that he tended to view anxiety as the byproduct of a maladapted psyche. Jung's views were absolutely skewed by his introversion and openness, but he was still well aware of the dangers of existing only within "the interior" realm: "Particularly at this time (c. 1913 - 1917), when I was working on the fantasies, I needed a point of support in 'this world,' and I may say that my family and professional work were that to me. It was most essential for me to have a normal life in the real world as a counterpoise to that strange inner world. My family and my profession remained the base to which I could always return, assuring me that I was an actually existing, ordinary person. The unconscious contents could have driven me out of my wits. But my family, and the knowledge: I have a medical diploma from a Swiss university, I must help my patients, I have a wife and five children, I live at 228 Seestrasse in Küsnacht--these were actualities which made demands upon me and proved to me again and again that I really existed, that I was not a blank page whirling about in the winds of the spirit, like Nietzsche. Nietzsche had lost the ground under his feet because he possessed nothing more than the inner world of his thoughts--which incidentally possessed him more than he it. He was uprooted and hovered above the earth, and therefore he succumbed to exaggeration and irreality. For me, such irreality was the quintessence of horror, for I aimed, after all, at this world and this life. No matter how deeply absorbed or how blown about I was, I always knew that everything I was experiencing was ultimately directed at this real life of mine. I meant to meet its obligations and fulfill its meanings. My watchword was: Hic Rhodus, hic salta!" (C. G. Jung, Memories, Dreams, Reflections, p. 189)

Knowles v Peterson on Jung! When? 😁👍

People that stay ignorant to the unconscious are irreedemable or/and do not unleash their potential within the realm of the psyche. The analogy of the honorable and dishonorable vessels is a key.

@springhunter12

Жыл бұрын

@@philipfitzsimons7540 i guess you spoke your mind here? I agree altough humanity will never reach it. Rome was not built in a day and also did not stand in unity eternally. All kingdoms of men just like his psyche are/is fragile.

@philipfitzsimons7540

Жыл бұрын

@@springhunter12 Reach what ?? 😶 . . Half of that comment makes no sense. ‘ Jung ‘ championed the Individual doing their own work and living a responsible life. In Roman times, Modern times - Boom or Bust - the model holds true. I think Dr Peterson is over generalising in this commentary and to omit / by pass Dr Jung’s main professional claim - that’s not acceptable. . . . . Dr Jung did not teach about the organisation of the internal / introvert realm. He taught people that the Unconscious was a Living, Evolving aspect of the psyche which required a relational interaction with humans in order for humans to be oriented correctly. This is not what’s represented in this video ! I understand the importance of grounding sanity in interpersonal relations and in practical tasks / schedule but to bypass Dr Jung’s main Professional claim - That’s wilful ignorance. In my opinion this video is inappropriate, it misrepresents Jung’s main professional principle and I think that’s not acceptable. The comment section here has no objections, most of the commenters tacitly approve. I think that shows how few people actually understand Dr Jung’s work, at a basic practical level. “ I try to speak my mind _ Everywhere and Always but not at the some time ! “

This was a surprise

I read some of jung's books then my life start to reformulate itself in a strange way because we the moroccan people are conservative to collective mystical beliefs the point is i start to inderstand the deep intentions of the way of thinking of others espaicially the older ones then i make my way throught relationships

Jung is extremely useful, but not everyone needs the exact same guide.

0:43, 2:27, 4:38

It's good to listen in today ..curious enough about the aspect adopted in negativity and a view of mistaken boundary holding in a view with having ones own method of thinking. In a conformity I see the needs all well enough that leans on those less adapted, for say as example, a military training has this. There are many ways that some gain control by using a set serving diciplined to use as guide. It's like seeing or reading some iconic moments that might be a view of initiated public assertion. If I offer a thought of Oppenheimer words about his said work and his response, then see a concern about the mistrust said placed his way, do I need to ask if his tears were real ? First as, his invited or captivity in the work was not detailed enough to see individual results more than mass ...but if I said that his verbage said he was basically entertained of his own ability to find a memory compared to Krishna and a multi armed task or force..did he put himself there? Is there a right to stop by method a dueling dealt unnatural treatment? Then noticably, each was filmed in some aspects that did seem unaware of wars means as they had others of familiar in the places that had the affect. So by adjusting a professional, that was not allowed openly to teach as a whole education subject, it did seem to lend a hand in furthering the rate of acceptance in the said use of his mind . I believe that disregard was not unplanned in essence ..and have seen youth pull same ranking , and hating to say some use of psychology for ensuring inept treatment.. ..with the evidence as not alone verbage or individual account,but as well film and or use of a dual way to use opinion public pole . Regardless as you reflect a thought toward but not as, think about how it compares to a functioning alcoholic or habit use. Even when they might feel less control in a part of life, doesn't mean they are in several others.it might mean they have less strength of assertion due the obvious self defense need we have that should hold issues moderate. Of course my opinion about one way looking. It's not alone a way to have a less tendency of happy life, even when it is a part. To me, the evaluation from the hard point is not a total true look at how all or some negativity is. It's natural about some not appreciating parts of the world's show. Either it is ignored or attacked in one essence ..it's good to not allow as much to keep individual suppressed as less accredited. The professional mentioned reason is clear they were announced as quite informed and they probably had learned of other issues or had personal ones needing not in the mix..but that's a bout for another time. Does it stilk exist , that style platform? My guess is it has. ..even at the expense shown as self motivating. The if essence against motivation might prove true Einstein's daughter in war torn round table talk, Oppenheimer accredited fathering mass destruction, where was his family? The deals that avoided the war notion at some degree their own successful expense. We all have our history and others that do bind at times. What can it cost and what had it paid..

The idea of thought formation clearly explained by husserl on some book on ebay

Wow the JP I originally got interested is still alive!

@superfluityme

Жыл бұрын

This is a clip from the past on a secondary channel.

I have a job but very difficult. The thing that keeps me there are the people and the fact that I relocated. My friends are in Portland.

@gotama570

Жыл бұрын

Are you security or police? :-)

@navigatingsideways

Жыл бұрын

@@gotama570 security

@gotama570

Жыл бұрын

@@navigatingsideways me too Im working in sport centre taking care that people are respecting the rules. Long hours nothing to do or running into conflicts

Legend am I, yes I am

That picture in thumbnail looks like Robert Webb

Jung viewed neurosis as tension between opposing attitudes of the ego and the unconscious. I don't believe neuroticism is a personality trait because it implies that the tendency towards negative emotion and thought is a natural trait. Jung wrote extensively about neurosis and I think it was intentional on his part to not include it as an individuals natural predisposition towards life. It could be argued that the "exaggerated capacity towards negative emotion" is a tendency within the psyche that is based on the tension between the warring conflict within the psyche and the inability to integrate aspects of the Self that would counterbalance the tendency towards the negative. So "cleaning your room" might be formulated as a way in which a person can integrate aspects latent within them that can bring order towards whatever particular chaos that has manifested as a reflection of his or her's inner life.

I'd never thought about how I frame my life, probably goes to show how low in Openness I am. I do find all this interesting though, so I can't be rock bottom in Openness.

6:00 talks Neuroticism.

now we must ask the limitations of jordans thinking. ill start, sometimes i feel his views are skewed towards conscientiousness, obviously. He says make lists and push beyond your limit at a certain age, and any other evidences in his videos. Anyways, i am very conscientious. I underestimate myself so much that i it motivates me to do more even if that means suffering. One thing i have been playing with is non-action. A state where im i guess you can say vibing and it took a while but it feels great here. Idk if that a limitation of his because we only see one side of jordan but its something cool to think about. Maybe this IS his way of vibing.

@hhchirag5631

Жыл бұрын

To think in a more realistic way his emphasis on conscientiousness is not so wrong and he says to set the bar slightly high so that you can achieve it he never says to be a tyrant ...

Many parts, one Body ☦

Dr. Peterson: I just wanted to take a moment to say, “Look how good you are doing!!!” I’m so happy and proud of you!! I thank God for helping to heal you! I have so much love and respect for you. God bless you, your family, and all of your viewers in Jesus’s Holy Name, Amen! 🙏🌸

@gotama570

Жыл бұрын

Im living close to Vatican so everything that happens there is right away in the news. Did you know that Pope went to psychotherapy because he had some problems that he couldn't fix? He is also on Facebook

@JesusSaves77799

Жыл бұрын

@@gotama570 I’m sorry. I don’t understand what it is you are saying or asking for? Thank you

@gotama570

Жыл бұрын

@@JesusSaves77799 none of that....

@gravitheist5431

Жыл бұрын

@@gotama570 The infallible guy ? ya don't say

When I first learned about Jung in school I thought his ideas were silly and rather useless. JP has given me a little more respect for him.

@brav0wing

Жыл бұрын

That is because people see the unconscious as silly, when in reality, unconsciously, they absolutely dread the unconscious. Jung said that. That is why people do not take the unconscious seriously.

He also strayed from instincts after his break from Freud, which I think led to the theory of the archetypes, rather than focusing on the instincts which anticipate for them. Case of putting the cart before the horse. He did write in his autobiography how he and Adler both wanted out of Freud the father's shadow. Perhaps a case of insufficiently separating the wheat from the chaff. Not to mention his "way" led to a creative illness, which is not exactly ideal, although perhaps something he personally had to go through. Definitely revealing of the danger of too much fantasy.

Not everyone has family to connect with or their remaining family is in such a state it's literally unhealthy to be in contact with them. That said I get it's about distraction, filling ones time up so not having nihilistic thoughts all the time.

I have fallen into a pit of nihilism, and have all the problems associated with it except for having a job which isn’t fulfilling, but I don’t mind doing, and am grateful for. I know I can apply all of the antidotes that Jordan mentioned except for the social ones. But I don’t for this reason. I don’t have any friends, I know it’s not possible for me to attract a girlfriend, and I’m not liked by the few family members I have. I attribute this to the fact that I have a shit personality. It doesn’t matter that I have a high IQ, treat people with respect, understand social norms and body language. I’ve realised I’m just not a likeable person, so it seems to me that only death would liberate me from the curse of being me.

@filipe0202

Жыл бұрын

been there, the only way to get better with people is practice.

@gerardo49078

Жыл бұрын

If that's the conclusion you came to, then there's only one question left: what can you do to change it? There is no such thing as a defined personality. You can make changes here and there and determine what works and what doesn't. If you run out of answers, you can ask people you trust (if you really don't have any then you can ask people high in extraversion and openness to get better results) so you can get an honest answer about what they think of you and go from there

@jeffp3999

Жыл бұрын

Death Wish is purely the want to transcend the self, it's ironically a very special point in your life, the point of wanting liberation from the restrictions of the individual mind, seperate sense 'self', now feeling to be bringing you suffering in restriction, but you have to understand that you formed it in infancy for your protection, you, the now 'inner child' you really are, pure soul, is just outgrowing it now. Go easy on your-self. Explore 'self transcendence' my friend 🌞💖

@peripheralparadox4218

Жыл бұрын

@@gerardo49078 I know it sounds like I’m socially inept, but I can have good conversations with the right people, make people laugh, confidently talk to strangers etc. Maybe I’m missing something, but as far as I can see it’s a lack of charisma and an unremarkable personality. Yes you can change aspects of your character, but the ‘essence’ remains. Perhaps people also pick up on the intense depression that I try to hide within, as not hiding it is worse. Perhaps that is the positive feed back loop from which there seems to be no escape. Thanks for your input though.

@gerardo49078

Жыл бұрын

@@peripheralparadox4218 An Argentine humorist once wrote an epigraph for a magazine: "When you find yourself in a dead end, don't be an idiot, go out the way you came in". Best of luck with everything, my man

DO SOME FUXKING SCALES

Te amo tanto, Pescador de Hombres. I wish, that I had two hours with you so that I can tell you everything and you can help me. I'll do as you say, and I'm trying. This clip hit me. I can recognize, that I am indeed depressed, more than my family knows. I can see myself in almost everything you described. But it's strange, for I consider myself Conservative, but with your description, I am highly Creative. I am also Neuerotic based on what you said, although I strongly dislike that word and have used it to describe others, but never myself. Thanks to you, I now own The Archetypes and the Collective Unconscious and Notes from the Underground. Yet, I have not read them. I'm almost, afraid to read them. And the older I have become, the more difficult it is to sit down and read, or even watch a movie, or even, an episode. I've become less agreeable too. I am a mother, and was an English teacher. But I'm not working, I'm not vaccinated, and I am angry at Society. I wish I could move on, but I don't want to accept things as they are now. This Covid thing, in Puerto Rico is pure obsession with vaccination. There is nothing more important than those two words: Covid, Vaccination. And for that, I don't know how to forgive them, and move on. I hate that mask. When can I move on? How can I? Time waits for no one. I wish I could follow you around the world, and speak and help you. I'll do my best where I'm at, but it's very hard. Regardless, I have not lost hope. Thank you!

@peraelawey

Жыл бұрын

I send you love Maria. Que nuestras vidas get fulfilled with that we really want the most;

@mariagarced1013

Жыл бұрын

@@peraelawey Que bonito. Muchas gracias. I was losing hope. I hope you're not a bot. If you're real, THANK YOU.

@peraelawey

Жыл бұрын

@@mariagarced1013 not a bot 😂❤️🙏🏼

I actually p think Lav was in good faith there's especially at the end. she's unaware she's making these errors that steven rightly points outm but I honestly think they're unconscious, and consciously she's trying to be good faith

How can a idiot become a genius and save the world? Food for thought my good Sir.

Why am I hearing Jung had a poltergeist in his house growing up with whom he voluntarily interacted? It comes.from someone I think is reliable. Jung's insights seem strong. Strange and troubles and intrigues me. I hold him at arm's length at the moment.

@user-ve9qp9ik3r

Жыл бұрын

Me too

Jung's weakness is that he seems to unable to articulate certain ideas concretely at times. He seems to be overfond of mystical language which muddles the presentation of his ideas at times.

If you only ever saw this one JP video you would be better off, especially if you watch it once a month.

Jung thinks I'm a mechanic. My father said I could be like hime some day.

I wish Peterson wouldn't insist so much that you NEED an "intimate relationship." Some of us just can't find one, at all. Despite all the work and self-improvement in the world, it still depends wholly on someone else finding you attractive. Something that is increasingly impossible for a lot of men to achieve.

@hhchirag5631

Жыл бұрын

Well in general most people find that so he is not somehow wrong to emphasize on that aspect of life however in the end it all remains in your hands to adhere to his words or not ...

To stop nihilism and negativity you need family, friends, an intimate relationship, a job with people you like... So... you're saying there's no hope.

@hhchirag5631

Жыл бұрын

He is saying that it also can let you out of nihilism and negativity along with your intrinsic search for that glimmer of hope ....

Every time Jung or other psychoanalysts start making absolute, concrete proclamations about this or that "symbol" in a dream means as if it's gospel truth, I can't help but recoil. It sounds so much like gobbeltygook, and it's no wonder that modern psychology has largely moved away from it. That is not to say that it is wrong, mind you, and it may well be that I simply don't understand it, but man is it hard to believe it.

@brav0wing

Жыл бұрын

Jumg never said that a certain dream image means exactly that. Jung was very careful in saying that the context matters. Even if one has an archetypal dream, the context matters and it may mean one thing for a certain individual and almost the opposite for another. You should read Jung much more thoroughly. Modern psychology is too much focused on the cognitive and is losing the affect, the emotionality.

@alaron5698

Жыл бұрын

@@brav0wing He should have written/spoken more carefully, for what I've read is stated rather bombastically and is not a matter of my reading. And I mentioned "other psychoanalysts" as well.

I don’t think jung was thinking you ******** ****** [rolls eyes in being better than you]

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you don't understand C. G. Jung

Jung's contribution is his typology. ( Now known as the Myer-Briggs Inventory). To emphasize the unconscious is unproductive because it is unconscious and it is whatever it is. The productive emphasis is on the conscious mind or cognitive behaviour therapy! ( It should also be recognized that Jung had active conversations with a voice he named Paracelsus. i.e. an aural hallucination. He had schizophrenia.

@HeyMykee

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You really don't understand Jung or the unconscious at all, unless you're trolling.

Extroversion; Jung describes as Function of ego , not merely as personality 'trait.' This bloke is sellin' smoke.

poor mr. p. jung falls short when he get inside j's head.

Do you realy think that brains are that different? The Storys are different the mechanism not !

The main problem is his occultism.

Hence what I said on the previous video. Big 5 is just a shallow, externally focused version of the MBTI and Enneagram. Four of the five dichotomies correlate extremely strongly to MBTI, but then lack all the depth of Jungian typology when you dive deeper, after the initial "measurements." The fifth dichotomy is, like the other four, just a shallow, 1-100 scale of what is dealt with far more comprehensively in the Enneagram (i.e., psychological health). Take all of the enormous variation and complexity of the neuroticism of very different types of people, and boil it down to just a 1-100 sliding spectrum. You really think that's gunna capture the underlying reality of each individual's / type's psychological health and specific issues in any deep sense? Or is it gunna give you just a surface level evaluation that gives you some general sense of their psychological health / unhealth, but abstract away the enormous and important individual and typological characteristics of that person's specific neurosis? The answer is obvious, Good Doctor.

@everything...interesting

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@Matejko108 you have to separate the wheat from the chaff. Even among the prominent books on the topic there is a hierarchy, as most of them are very meh. I could provide a reading list and a program of study that would cut down 10+ yrs of self study into about 6-12 months. Reason being, I've already spent 10-15 yrs doing the work, sorting thru the muck, studying personality psychology on my own, and have figured out what's good and what's not.

@InsanitysApex

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enneagram_of_Personality#:~:text=While%20Enneagram%20teachings%20have%20attained,no%20demonstrated%20reliability%20or%20validity%22. Big 5 is shallow because it's scientifically repeatable and verifiable on a massive scale, essentially humanity wide. You haven't increased the validity of the mbti or enneagram any. You merely ranted that they go into more detail, despite the fact most professional communities discard them as pseudoscience. Ok, well astrology goes into even far more detail and makes the enneagram look like a childs drawing, comparatively. Humans use methods like the big 5, weight, temperature, and time because they have scientific validity that's repeatable and uniform, not because the scale says I'm 10lbs lighter and a decade younger.

@everything...interesting

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@Matejko108 The Bible of the Enneagram is 'Character and Neurosis' by Claudio Naranjo. It's a difficult book, not the first one I'd recommend (Naranjo was an MD and psychiatrist, and a recognized expert in personality psychology [by Harvard, Stanford, et al]), but it is the central text. It's not perfect. It has flaws. But it is excellent. There are some other very good ones as well, though.

@everything...interesting

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@@InsanitysApex and you've done nothing but include a wikipedia link and repeat some shallow idiotic arguments I've already heard a thousand times. Try actually studying the subject under discussion, and demonstrating some level of proficiency and understanding of it, before opining on it as if you actually know what you're talking about.

@InsanitysApex

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@@everything...interesting I don't have to study the subject, that's the beauty of science. Somone else can discover a formula or theory and it can be readily tested. Devoting my time to debunk an idea you didn't come up with to prove your ego wrong would be just as much a time as continuing this conversation. Your opinion is not a viable metric for what constitutes fundametals of human psychology. Get over yourself. BTW astrology is still more detailed than your shallow enneagram. You should try something a bit deeper and more nuanced, might learn something. ;)

This is a staggeringly ignorant commentary in my humble opinion. The Central aspect of Dr Jung’s work was • That the Unconscious was a Living and relational aspect of the psyche. Dr Peterson suggests that Dr Jung, Failed to adequately address the needs of the wider base of patients / clients that attend a clinical practice. I understand the point but it seems incredibly inappropriate and staggeringly Ignorant. In my interpretation Dr Jung proposes that the Unconscious is a Living and Relational aspect of the psyche. That is the Core Lesson of his life’s work. Dr Peterson cites that his clients had a more practical and functional set of challenges, which they sought help with. My objection is that if these more ‘ Conservative’ clients were oriented correctly then we would be living in a better society. IE - Psychology is not Improving people’s lives. Clearly there is a WHOLE in the map and with this video Dr Peterson is completely minimising or totally bypassing Dr Jung’s main professional claim. - That the Unconscious is a Living and Relational aspect of the psyche. That’s not acceptable?? I have an Intuitive type and I’m Creative / high in trait openness, so I’m biased in favour of the Jungian model but I find this commentary totally misses the 🎯. Why not put TIME & RESOURCES into actually exploring Dr Jung’s Claim ?? Given that Mental Health is on a steady downward trajectory, thus seems like an intellectually savvy proposal ! . . . . Where is Dr Peterson and the Psychology Profession falling short ?? And Why ??

@hhchirag5631

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Dr jung was very bright person but he certainly did not preach only a unidimensional idea of unconscious apsect of psyche ..... his works are profoundly used in determining the grounds of personalities and his archetypes have a tendency to fall intrinsically towards that spiritual mystic side of the coin ..... I understand JP has not well explained your views about jung but jung was a genius his works are read by great psychologist surely there are some limitations to him as well ...

When will this egomaniac ever learn that every rambling blather of his is NOT gospel?!