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@gregraines1599

3 жыл бұрын

Fascinating subject I’ve never considered. Thanks.

@ErgonomicChair

2 жыл бұрын

More shower thoughts, please lol

@JorgeRomero7

2 жыл бұрын

Have you considered making a video documenting how the Roman's created, maintained, and stored records? For example military, municipial, legislative, and historical records. In a time where we have the internet, GPS, and blockchain software; it would be interesting to see your analysis of the empire's "neural network" and how Emporer and senate pulled everything together. Thanks for your videos. They are a treasure! Salve.

@enysuntra1347

2 жыл бұрын

How extensive were adoptions? I. E., was a gens purely pedigree, or were the "Julius" a class by the family that diminished pedigree through adoptions, so that one "Julius" could be unrelated to another genetically?

@tacidian7573

Жыл бұрын

I am proud of you, son.

Barbarians: we want to destroy Rome Rome: collapses Barbarians: Damn we miss Rome

@samuelsantos929

3 жыл бұрын

A delay of almost 400-500 years

@ishouldbestudyingrightnow5368

3 жыл бұрын

Moral of the story. Don't let them foreigners in. Rome was letting in Germans and used them as bodyguards and cheap labor. That way roman weapons and tactics got to Germany and the roman defence was vulnerable

@Hatypus

3 жыл бұрын

@@ishouldbestudyingrightnow5368 This is just dumb. Caesar himself had a bodyguard of Batavi Germans and trusted them more than other Romans. "Cheap workers" were brought from every part of the Empire, including as slaves, many Roman ideas were actually often foolhardy, such as the times they removed farmers from their land to give to veterans, resulting in failed harvests. By the time of the late western empire many Romans saw the Germans as noble barbarians. By the fall of Rome, it had already drastically changed, and the Goths and Franks actually preserved aspects of Rome. Rome wasn't some plainly superior state, it had it's own upsides and downsides, and those downsides led to the fall of the West due to one of the worst flaws, the frequent infighting. EDIT: And without foreign ideas, Rome would have never prospered, they took ideas from the Etruscans, Greeks, Carthaginians, by the time of Caesar Gauls were added to the senate, in the East Persian ideas were brought in, Armenian, and the like.

@kennethflores93

3 жыл бұрын

@@ishouldbestudyingrightnow5368 the intrigue of the praetorian and the assassination of Emperor Gaba along with his chief bodyguard was the final nail for the Empire. Intrigue eventually wears anything down

@Stand_By_For_Mind_Control

3 жыл бұрын

They didn't want to destroy it they wanted to BE it. Which they essentially were for a good long while.

Yes the Senate lives on in the form of a man named Sheev Palpatine.

@comradehellfire2095

3 жыл бұрын

Do it

@bernardcornellisvanmeijere4375

3 жыл бұрын

@@comradehellfire2095 Dewwit!

@johnr797

3 жыл бұрын

Not. Yet.

@IDBTitanosaurus

3 жыл бұрын

Bless the Maker and His water Bless the coming and going of Him May His passage cleanse the world...

@HolyShitNew

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnr797 its treason then

Marcus Aurelius’ many quotes about how even the most powerful men will one day be forgotten dust seems pretty appropriate for this one, especially because Marcus Aurelius hated the indulgences of the senatorial class.

@tayduatrinhcoi

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe that's why he's so motivated to write Meditations so that the next generations can have something to remember him by.

@simocvijic2588

3 жыл бұрын

@@tayduatrinhcoi he didn't write it for others he did it for himself :)

@leonardodavid2842

3 жыл бұрын

Marcus Aurelius and I have the same Cognomen, although it’s unlikely I inherited from his branch (or that mine does in fact trace back then, since honestly, I kinda see a Roman, I am from Rome, farmer saying... ya, why not take the surname of an imperial Roman dinasty).

@thatromanfella8377

3 жыл бұрын

@@leonardodavid2842 bruh, ni way. His line died out

@tomtaylor5623

3 жыл бұрын

@@thatromanfella8377 that's what they said about the neanderthals, but we are all descendants of them. i'm related to the great neanderthal chief ug grug ur grug, i even say his name sometimes without realising it and the addendum -or of my surname is inherited from his ur.

A very interesting case as the Casius family in northern Spain. They survived and kept their lands and power during the 200 years of Visigoth occupation. When the Arabs invaded Spain in 711 they converted to Islam and modified their name from Casius to Banu Quasi. They maintained their power for another 2 centuries. They declined and disappeared buy their family connections remained and were related to the later kings of Navarra.

Well, I don't know exactly what happened to the Roman Senators, but the Galactic Senators annoyed me so much that I just dissolved the Senate.

@williamsanphy3126

3 жыл бұрын

Long live the Empire!

@Alaryk111

2 жыл бұрын

You dissolved yourself!?

@drunkdriver

2 жыл бұрын

especially that floozy whos having an affair with a jedi

@nicmagtaan1132

2 жыл бұрын

you didn't dissolved the senate per se you made urself the senate by reconstructing all of the power of it through yourself there is still people in the senate but you have all the power of the senate

I for a second thought that there were Roman senators still around

@InvictaHistory

3 жыл бұрын

There are actually some families which do claim descent including the House of Massimo which is said to be tied to the Gens Fabia

@weishen385

3 жыл бұрын

@@InvictaHistory where are the scipios :'''(

@funfact8660

3 жыл бұрын

Sleeping

@Riftrender

3 жыл бұрын

@@weishen385 They fell from power, but they were the founders of the Populares.

@funfact8660

3 жыл бұрын

@@InvictaHistory what about the Caputo family as well

"No secret cabals" That's exactly what a member of a secret cabal would say

@Rvscito

2 жыл бұрын

Italy cabal is actually the ex-Roman Cabal, like Senators, Priest, Businessman, Generals and many others Search "Sovrano Militare Ordine di Malta" on google

Supposedly my family (the Mancini family) can trace our ancestry to Lucius Hostilius Mancinus who was consul in 145 BC and a commander of the Roman fleet during the Third Punic War, supposedly.

@FirstnameLastname-up7ov

3 жыл бұрын

That's very cool! Is that just a myth or do you guys have further evidence ?

@LuisAldamiz

3 жыл бұрын

Sounds plausible, Mancinus was one of the branches of the Hostilia gens in any case. But I'd take more pride on Henry (Enrico) Nicola Mancini of Pink Panther's musical fame, that guy was awesome! But I read now that they were Italian nobles (dated as early as 990) and that they have all the way claimed that ancestry. Their coat of arms with pikes (lucii) also seems to make references to good old Lucius.

@nigelmansfield3011

3 жыл бұрын

And why not? Sounds good anyway.

@yousaywhatnow2195

3 жыл бұрын

@@LuisAldamiz he’s my great uncle or second cousin or something like that, actually. He was a relative of my grandfather, but grandpa died long before I was born, and my nana doesn’t remember, so I’m not certain how exactly he’s related, unfortunately, just that he is/was a relative.

@LuisAldamiz

3 жыл бұрын

@@yousaywhatnow2195 - Thank you then for your great-uncle's absolutely magnificent music. I realize he's not the only composer among the historical Mancini's but I really enjoyed and even today I sometimes happily hum his music. It's like a life theme for me.

The Gens Anicii were probably the most interesting Senatorial Family of the late Empire. Anicius Olybrius was declared Emperor in 472, his daughter would later flee to the East and become a great patron of the arts. The part of the family who stayed in Italy would also be prominent with multiple members taking up consulship under the Goths. The famous Philosopher Boethius and Pope Gregory the Great were also part of this family. Germanus, Justinian's cousin and heir, is said to be part of this clan as well.

@rvscitoold3816

3 жыл бұрын

Currently there are many families in Rome that are descended from the Roman Senators

@Pooty_With_A_Fat_Booty

3 жыл бұрын

What's your point?? Any random empire based on pointless bloodlines resulting in mostly bat crazy and egotistical idiots subjecting millions of people to slavery, poverty, disease and feudalism is hardly unique.

@hulking_presence

3 жыл бұрын

Wow, somebody's hurt

@brianmccarthy5557

3 жыл бұрын

@@Pooty_With_A_Fat_Booty Rome, and its incarnation in Byzantium, were, outside of Christianity, the most important thing to ever happen in the West and for millenia provided political, social and economic stability in a chaotic world. Hardly a random empire. You might try actually getting educated instead of repeating screeds you gleaned from some equally ignorant Left wing pamphleteer.

@Esper320

3 жыл бұрын

@@Pooty_With_A_Fat_Booty go back to reddit kid

"there's no secret Kabal from antiquity" Or maybe that's what the Cantacuzino what you to think

@derekscanlan4641

3 жыл бұрын

well, if someone could just read about them, it wouldn't be much of a secret

@LuisAldamiz

3 жыл бұрын

The Greek Kantakouzenos, plausible ancestors of the Cantacuzino, would be Medieval by origin (11th century) and Byzantine, not really Roman.

@praisethesun.praisedeussol6051

3 жыл бұрын

@@LuisAldamiz Byzantine was Roman

@riograndedosulball248

3 жыл бұрын

@@praisethesun.praisedeussol6051 so Byzantium was also gay?

@Dr.Strangmeme

3 жыл бұрын

Norm Macdonald is that you?

After 2000 years I would imagine most people in Europe would be related to everyone else in some way

@bravo0105

3 жыл бұрын

Indeed. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedigree_collapse

@LuisAldamiz

3 жыл бұрын

You're absolutely right. We have some 10^70 ancestors from the time of Caesar and genetic estimates claim that we Europeans are all related half that time ago.

@LuisAldamiz

3 жыл бұрын

@Semaj - Say who?

@ornessarhithfaeron3576

3 жыл бұрын

@Semaj Which one?

@reznicak

3 жыл бұрын

sweet home alabama

Ok I'll be honest, the topic came to me as a shower thought but it was certainly a blast to try and answer. Got any other shower thoughts worth investigating?

@MarceloCamela

3 жыл бұрын

Who would be the closest to a “legitimate heir” to the Roman throne today? That’d be a cool thing to look into.

@funfact8660

3 жыл бұрын

@@MarceloCamela Me

@MarceloCamela

3 жыл бұрын

@acevitamin Ave, acevitamin!

@ManiusCuriusDenatus

3 жыл бұрын

An Alternate history in which Stilicho and Aetius become Augustus. What happens? Would it be similar to the rise of the Illyrian emperors like Claudius Gothicus, Aurelian, and Diocletian? A revival of the Western Empire under emperors of Vandal and German lineage?

@jimmyandersson9938

3 жыл бұрын

How much in todays value did it cost to connect to the local aqueduct and have fresh water to your house?

13:20 A genie approaches Invicta - "You have three wishes, use them wisely. Wealth, great power, a long life and happiness, these can all be yours" Invicta - "So who are the people related to the Julii clan that are still alive today?"

@raminagrobis6112

2 жыл бұрын

Oh, I know that one: there's Polly Walker, Ciarán Hinds, Kerry Condon, Max Pirkis, etc. :)

@Egilhelmson

2 жыл бұрын

According to my relatives who are heavily into Genealogy, we are descended from Marcus Antonius by a non-Imperial line (the dude really did get around). Would his marriage to Augustus’s sister and children by her, count to make him “related to the Julii clan”, let alone the Caesar’s?

@Cleeon

Жыл бұрын

@@Egilhelmson so, your family have recorded lineage up to Marcus Antonius the right hand of gaius Julius Caesar?

Looks like Cesar had his revenge after his reincarnation. 🧙🏾‍♂️

@funfact8660

3 жыл бұрын

Caligua sure had a good time with the Senators for awhile 🤣📋📚

@1Dropboys

3 жыл бұрын

I've never had a Brutus salad XD

@NodDisciple1

3 жыл бұрын

?

@nelsonr1467

3 жыл бұрын

It's Caesar

@cedartheyeah.justyeah.3967

3 жыл бұрын

...I did?

I wrote my B.A. dissertation specifically on this, or, to be precise, on the rôle of the aristocracy in military life during the Late Empire and Early Dark Ages. The one family in the Roman Senate with the longest lineage at its dissolution in A.D. 476 were the Glabbriones, an ancestor of whom is mentioned in senatorial dispatches in 191 B.C.

@stanleyamatucci4185

2 жыл бұрын

There is no clear evidence of the continuation of that line. They fled north to the country side to avoid being raided and melted into the administration of the church. That’s why historians labeled that region “Romagna”. And that is why the church held onto Roman customs and imperialist style power. There was a custom of Early medieval kings and rulers alike to proclaim themselves descendants of the Anicii as a propaganda tool for legitimacy. All such claims including Pope Gregory the great have been dismissed. They went so far as hiring “historians” to prove it. But instead silly tales were seemingly concocted. But who knows? My fathers ancestors came from Assisi and Ravenna. They are cited in some texts of the times (around 1300)as having inside knowledge of Roman Assisi and even held important ruins in their estate. This renaissance author Eugenio Gamurrini published a 5 volume book categorizing all the Nobility of Umbria and Tuscany (look it up on google books) and in it stated my family descended from the Anicii thru the Petronii. There is other interesting evidence but this popular publication dedicated to king Louis and the Medici is the most teasing since no other family is listed so highly.

@richardleston5237

Жыл бұрын

That’s fascinating.

I'd like to imagine that a descendant of one of ancient Rome's senators are in the Italian senate today, which might be likely

@donaxtrunculus5023

3 жыл бұрын

my guess would be mostly in the Vatican if anything

@ianlilley2577

3 жыл бұрын

@@donaxtrunculus5023 why the Vatican?

@markcannon8522

3 жыл бұрын

Italy is as close to the Roman Empire as England or Romania . All were part of the empire once but than got invaded and settled by barbarian kingdoms

@levinaugust3331

3 жыл бұрын

@@markcannon8522 You are partially right, its once a part of 'barbarian' territories, attacked and occupied by romans, then 'barbarian'. Its a cycle

@davidkelly4210

3 жыл бұрын

Modern Italians are of German stock (at least until you hit Naples). The only place you're going to find ethnic Romans is Sardinia, Corsica and Venice.

"Power ought to serve as a check to power" - Montesquieu

@comradekenobi6908

3 жыл бұрын

"UNLIMITED POWER!!!" - The Senate

@procrastinator99

3 жыл бұрын

@@comradekenobi6908 Hello there!

@comradekenobi6908

3 жыл бұрын

@@procrastinator99 General Kenobi

@alucard347

3 жыл бұрын

@@comradekenobi6908 you are a bald one.

I have a question. I have asked myself how did people communicate with each other when encountering a new civilization. I know that Cortés had two translators, one of them being la Malinche. But how did Caesar communicate with the Britons when he went to England, for instance? I imagine that they had translators, like Cortés did, but how did it work exactly? How many did they have? If they only had one, what did they do if he died or something? Did they pay them to translate or maybe force them? Are there instances of translators not doing a good job and ending up causing a conflict?

@funfact8660

3 жыл бұрын

The Roman traders had been dealing with those Celtic Tribes for decades before, and Gaul was a go between 📚

@danielchequer5842

3 жыл бұрын

In caesar's case we could argue that his translators spoke gallic as well as the briton's translators so they could both speak in this language and each translate to their own. Bad translation was certainly a thing in the ancient world and that's why rulers would sometimes prefer personal negotiations rather than by correspondence.

@gery8218

3 жыл бұрын

Translators were actually quite important back then. After all, a little mistake in translation could lead to war. I'm pretty sure those translators were paid well by the Romans to make sure that they did their job well. I don't really know if there are any famous incidents were translators messed up. Guides (who probably also often functioned as translators) on the other hand definitely betrayed the Romans from time to time.

@andrewsuryali8540

3 жыл бұрын

In the case of the Britons, apparently they spoke a Celtic dialect similar to that spoken by a tribe that provided auxilia for Caesar's armies. It should be noted that by Caesar's lifetime, Italians and Greeks have been dealing with Celts for centuries and many Italians spoke Celtic simply due to proximity. More importantly, many Celts would have spoken an Italian language or two also from proximity. The Romans had no problem communicating with Gauls directly. Many Gauls spoke Latin fluently. Generally, language was never an issue during conquests before the age of sail because conquerors couldn't go so far they would encounter someone whose speech was too foreign for them or their own men. In the case of Alexander, for example, he and his Companions understood Persian, so to speak to the next nation over, they just needed to drag a Persian from the border regions who would have been fluent in, say, Sogdian, then get a Sogdian who spoke Persian and probably a bit of Sanskrit when they got to India. Also, by the time of his conquest Greek was already in common use along the Mediterranean coast anyway. He would have been able to speak Greek all the way to Susa. People like La Mallinche only became important once conquerors started jumping regions and going to places totally untouched by anyone from their own civilization. Then the language relay method couldn't be relied on anymore.

@mrsupremegascon

3 жыл бұрын

Translators were not uncommon. Many people living between 2 cultures, especially merchants and aristocracy. And yes they had some important position. I read that Caesar had a very friendly relationship with one of his Gaulic translator.

I’ve been pondering this for decades. Thanks so much for covering it ❤️❤️❤️❤️

According to Tacitus, there was a Senator Capito in the Roman Senate, and there is currently a Senator named Shelley Moore Capito in the US Senate. Weird.

@luiul1

3 жыл бұрын

capito is her married name. this is a snippet of her son: "Charles Capito is a partner in both Morrison & Foerster's National Security and Government Contracts + Public Procurement Practices. In the National Security Space, he counsels clients on the complex and evolving requirements of the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States(CFIUS), as the U.S. businesses and investors balance their business plans and investment against CFIUS's considerable role in protecting national security." sounds patrician to me.

@goosenuggets9693

3 жыл бұрын

The surname is her husbands.

@darthrevan1281

2 жыл бұрын

@@goosenuggets9693 So? I only said it was weird. I never suggested she was a literal descendent of the Roman dude.

Fun fact, Caesar was a Patrician Populares and lots of his rivals were Plebian Optimates.

@ManiusCuriusDenatus

3 жыл бұрын

Cicero.

@jordanvalois3188

3 жыл бұрын

Gluteus Maximus as well.

@jaojao1768

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, most senators of both "parties" were plebeian

@wellesradio

2 жыл бұрын

Which one was the good robots and which one was the bad robots? Could Caesar turn into a cassette deck?

@castronator29

2 жыл бұрын

Caesar was a power thirsty populist. Off course he was a very intelligent dude, brilliant, but can't understand why history nowadays paint him as a hero. He finished the Republic, became a dictator. Marius and Sulla were way cooler to me.

Im not of noble birth or anything(though my ancestors did take part in some pretty interesting events), but my family has been traced back (via documentation) to roughly early 500s in what is now northern Germany. Cant really go back much further than that due to my ancestors being Saxons: great warriors, terrible record keepers. lol.

@beneficent2557

3 жыл бұрын

Well tbf if they were great record keepers, they probably could not get much done. Especially during those times.

@OfficialFedHater

2 жыл бұрын

I'm sure most people are related to nobility due to the adultery that occurred throughout the lines.

@helmsscotta

2 жыл бұрын

@@beneficent2557 : They weren't Franks, though.

@maxxor-overworldhero6730

2 жыл бұрын

Cool. At least for me, my mother's side of the family can be traced back to High King Dubthach of Ireland, who is a quasi-historical figure (proven real person, but is mentioned in mythical stuff). He had three children - two sons and a daughter - which is where all O'Duffys, Duffys (mother's maiden name), and pretty much every other variation comes from. The Duffys long after Dubthach themselves held their main family seat in Connacht, and my branch of the family (or sept) went to Donegal, where at least one ancestor became a patron Saint of Donegal, and our family became known for being parish caretakers there.

@egoist920

2 жыл бұрын

@@OfficialFedHater Also, once you go back far enough, you'll quickly reach a point where everyone who is alive at that point is either the ancestor of everyone alive today or the ancestor of no one. Charlemagne is often quoted to be the ancestor of everyone of European descent today, for that very reason.

I have always wondered about this, but had no real way of researching it myself and keeping my job/running my family. Thanks so much!

I love Beverly's illustrations! Is this why I would like an Roman Disney Princess!

@bravo0105

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, but she would be utterly BOTCHED by present disney. Only small, independent, and non-corporatist talent could do her justice.

@procrastinator99

3 жыл бұрын

That WOULD be amazing, but difficult, as women of Rome had even less power than even the medieval era stories Disney pulls from. (I'm still with you that I'd like to see it tried though!)

@navilluscire2567

3 жыл бұрын

@@procrastinator99 While generally true there's no denying that there were quite a few influential women throughout the Roman Empire's history especially women from noble houses who could command quite a bit of wealth such as being patrons to political candidates during elections for consul-ships and othet important offices within the "cursus honorum". It was more the case of yes women had less (practically no) freedoms but rich women could and did play significant roles in politics and power games, they just often did so behind the scenes and couldn't be the ones directly at the head of running the affairs of state. (save one notable exception)

Me reading the title: 'Probably below the ground, not really surviving'

Awesome video! Man I hope someday you talk about more recent conflicts like the Sack of Rome in 1527, the 30 years war, Napoleon, the American Civil War, the World Wars, I would like them all!

This is something I've wondered for years! Thanks for making this :)

What an amazing title! And gob well done. This channel is one of my favorite channels. Thanks guys!

Ayyyy a new Invicta video, this is gonna be good.

@area609joe7

3 жыл бұрын

Usually is isn't it? I Truly enjoy them.

You should do a video about the medieval Commune of Rome some time, when the Romans revolted against the Pope. One of the leaders of the briefly restored Roman Republic claimed to be descendant of the Gens Anicii senatorial family, the clan of Emperor Olybrius and relatives of Justinian.

I love the topics. Thank you!

I can't get enough of these videos

According to some XVI and XVII century historians certain noble houses go back as far as biblical Adam, Moses and Heracles so I'd take Massimo claims with a grain of salt

@18Krieger

3 жыл бұрын

That is a very common motive in many cultures around history. So unless one can proof it, its a lot of salt. The only ones that can somewhat proof a very long bloodline are the japanese Emperors and the descendens of Mohammad.

@procrastinator99

3 жыл бұрын

Adam never existed lmao wat

@TAKE_BACK_BRITAIN

3 жыл бұрын

@@procrastinator99 Be quiet

@Wallyworld30

3 жыл бұрын

@@procrastinator99 And Hercules did?

@LuisAldamiz

3 жыл бұрын

If you believe in the Bible, then all human lineages noble or plebeian must derive from Adam. Medieval and early Modern heraldists made a living by purportedly tracing the lineages of noble houses to the most prestigious ancestors, usually from the Bible but also Trojan and others. Trojan purported ancestry used to be extremely popular, especially in France but my own maternal grandfather, whose surname Tarabini is rather mysterious but documented as knights since 500 years ago in NE Italy, wished to believe that what heraldists claimed about originating in Hector of Troy by the formation "Hector Rabinus" ( > Tarabinus, pl. Tarabini) was true. According to such fantasious heralds Hector did not actually perish in Troy but found refuge in the marshes of the Po Delta instead (ahem!)

Can you please do a special on the transition period in the 5th century; where Roman military administration and socio-economic organisation in Gaul et al gradually morphed into the early feudal system? You've touched on it from time to time. It's a super fascinating period. Dux became Dukes, Comtes became Counts. All that good stuff.

@histguy101

Жыл бұрын

"Duke" is just the English translation of Dux, and "Count" is just the English translation of Comes. The title didn't change, it's just pronounced differently in different languages and dialects

I loved it! This style of art is my favorite.

Thank you for this!

Wow. So unexpected but so appreciated!

An answer I never knew I needed

This is not something I gave any thought but was really interesting to consider. Thank you for making this video.

i love that you guys make videos about things that are not known. so now i know that we cant know this for now

Perhaps a Colaberation with "Useful Charts" could help a little!

@buttercxpdraws8101

3 жыл бұрын

That would be a great idea!

Let's be honest though, anyone that was of senator class their grand children were never peasant farmers.

@funfact8660

3 жыл бұрын

I guess you didn't know Caligua, Nero or Domitian too well then ? 🤣📚

@jorge69696

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe they were if the paterfamilia and elder children got murdered and all the wealth stolen. The younger child might be taken care of by a servant or peasant and become the same.

@reheyesd8666

3 жыл бұрын

​@@funfact8660 None of them were senators you spoon.

@funfact8660

3 жыл бұрын

@@reheyesd8666 no they were evidently Living Gods and Emperors that could easily turn a Patrician Senator and his family into Peasant Farmers, for some offence or another...🖕😂📚

@funfact8660

3 жыл бұрын

@@reheyesd8666 Those 3 could turn Senators into Spoons huh ? 😂

Awesome topic! I was thinking about this same thing a few months ago

Invicta, when will you do a video on the Teutonic Order? That would be amazing. Great content by the way, much appreciated.

Both the Cantacuzino(gr. Kantakouzenos) and Paleologu (gr. Palaiologos) families in Romania link to the former byzantine emperors, they were greek families from Constantinople that were sent by the ottomans to keep an eye when they vassalised Wallachia

Being born in Russia near Volga river, I’m more related to Ghengis Khan than the Romans.

@brianmccarthy5557

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the reality check!

@loon356

3 жыл бұрын

Very true!

@master_ace

2 жыл бұрын

And then Russia is said to have one of the strongest claims to being the successor of the Roman Empire, through marriage and liniage. History is weird...

@qlow-gw6hu

2 жыл бұрын

Ok

@andryuu_2000

2 жыл бұрын

Ah! Jokes on you, moscovite! I live 50 kms from Rome! And I am a living failure! Yeaaaah Italyyy

Actually this is something I’ve been wondering about since a child. Tack you, for a explanation!

Very educating, and much appreciated.

Many Senators over the years were taken up to the Tarponian Rock, and thrown down the Gemonian steps in the ancient Roman fashion, for some offence or another 📋📚

@robertbruce7686

3 жыл бұрын

Yeeeees....good!

I have another topic that might interest you for a future video. Have we found any DNA from ancient Greece or Roman people that we can trace their lineage to our days?

Thanks for the video. That's interesting.

It would be fun to see what other genealogies can be tracked! awesome video!

Palpatine - "I AM the Se..." Roman Patriacians - "No, I am the Senate"

Invicta: *Wants to know if any Roman Senator descendants still exists* Me: *WHO IS THE HEIR TO CONSTANTINE XI?!?!*

@webformssuck

3 жыл бұрын

The Spanish royal family has this title !

@youvebeengreeked

3 жыл бұрын

@@webformssuck I've heard the title was given to them by Byzantine descendants after 1453, but the Spanish neglected the title of Emperor, so turned it down?

@bobascalera5094

3 жыл бұрын

@@youvebeengreeked IIRC a lot of noble families in Europe have Byzantine lineage

@pegasusu1094

3 жыл бұрын

Currently legitimately only Spain and Russia's Royal Families have claim to the Byzantine Throne..... Russia because they have Imperial Blood by Marriage and Spain because it was sold to them by the Last Known Legitimate Heir..... though Spain has neglected it for a very long time so idk if it still holds value

Very nice video, thanks!

Excellent and Outstanding!!!

“Who knows which of us has an ancestor that once ruled Rome?” Well I can say for almost certain it’s no one on my fathers side of the family, they have been dirt poor German farmers in 7 countries across 3 continents for the better part of a thousand years. On my moms side on the other hand I am descended from Filipino politicians, pre-colonial kings, and Spanish nobility.

7:08 Merely First citizen. Yes. Primes inter pares. With Pro-Consular authority/Imperium in all the provinces including Italy. The old senators were spinning in their graves.

@funfact8660

3 жыл бұрын

Optimus Princeps

@ManiusCuriusDenatus

3 жыл бұрын

@@funfact8660 Wasn't that Trajan?

@funfact8660

3 жыл бұрын

@@ManiusCuriusDenatus Augustus too

@raulpetrascu2696

3 жыл бұрын

@@funfact8660 no just Trajan, pretty sure. But Augustus did call himself Princeps Civitatus (first citizen). The Senate would say to new emperors: "May you be as fortunate as Augustus, and better than Trajan" so they saw Trajan as the best (optimus) and Augustus as the luckiest

@ManiusCuriusDenatus

3 жыл бұрын

@@raulpetrascu2696 I agree.

Nicely informative video.

Thank you Magellan tv!

The famous Coudenhove "Calergi" seems to be a descendent of old Constantinople nobility..Coudenhove is a flemish name, but Calergi is a Constantioble nobility name.

I have pondered this issue as well. Some or many Spanish families still have their coats of arms as on my mother’s side. So I also wonder, that, if King Arthur really existed in some way, was he a left over Roman noble who stayed after the fall of Roma. I’ve heard that theory. But I don’t know very much about him.

@budakbaongsiah

3 жыл бұрын

The Romano-British Artorius theory?

@robertoflores4546

3 жыл бұрын

@@budakbaongsiah Probably, but I'm not sure. I'll have to read up on it. Thank you for that. It just makes sense as a possibility since events are lost to the mists of time so long ago and turned in to legend.

I have wondered this question so many times... after much research, I have come to a similar conclusion.

Shower Thoughts!! incredible xD

I once asked on Quora if there is any heirloom or artifact that has been continuously handed down from antiquity to the present day or is everything that we've found from the ancient world been necessarily 'dug out' of the ground. The answer appears to be the latter... I'd love to know more.

@Cleeon

Жыл бұрын

Then how the results of your research? Don't know about ancient lineage, but my big family, surely related with some legend from middle age era

I watched the borgia tv show and in it some of the cardinals were claiming ancestors in the senate. I wonder if that really was the case. I believe if any families continued to hold power they would just transfer to which ever government ruled italy.

I very much enjoyed your great shower thought! New subscriber here :-) I remember that way back, when I was about 16 and living in Romania, we studied in school about several members of noble families like Cantacuzino, Palaiologos, Rosetti, Ypsilantis Mavrocordatos, etc who were prominent political figures or rulers among them, princes of Wallachia and Moldavia between the 17th & 18th century. They were known as the Phanariots and many were linked to the Byzantine imperial house(Eastern Roman Empire). One contemporary descendant of the Cantacuzinos was Prince Serban Cantacuzino, a Romanian actor who passed away in 2011. I remember that people knew instantly that someone was from a very old, noble family when hearing one of these famous surnames. The Phanariots were Greeks, living in Constantinople (Istanbul). I still find this fascinating.

Love the Oblivion music, perfect.

There are a number of Byzantine Imperial names that are still around: Cantacuzino (Kantakouzinos), Argyros (Romanos Argyros), Paleologos (Paleologian line of Byz. emp.), etc. in Greece

@mootschanteur

2 жыл бұрын

There's a branch of the Paleologue family in France as well, some ancestor settled after the fall of Constantine ... I always wondered how much these guys feel connected to their past

@stefos6431

2 жыл бұрын

@@mootschanteur Thanks Vincent, I never knew this

What's the difference culturally, historically, and operationally between the Latin Aristocrats, Brythonic Aristocrats, Gallic Aristocrats, Iberian Aristocrats, African Aristocrats, and Eastern Aristocrats? Also, what's up with Politicians and royalty in Serbia? Like, Roman, and East Roman.

@ChevyChase301

3 жыл бұрын

Serbs migrated to the Balkins around the time of 600-700 AD

@ianlilley2577

3 жыл бұрын

The brythonic are modern welsh. Gallic merged with franks to become french

@RoderickVI

3 жыл бұрын

@@ianlilley2577 The French and the Swiss*

@sirmount2636

2 жыл бұрын

They’re all just the local rulers of those areas.

Very interesting

The shower is my great source of thinking, too. Love this episode.

We can still trace the lineage of the Komnenoi. not an "ancient roman" family but I think it's pretty neat that we can trace them to the modern day

@pierren___

3 жыл бұрын

Please explain

@ianlilley2577

3 жыл бұрын

@@pierren___ they were an imperial roman family from the around the start of the crusades. Several branches have survived one in italy and another in Romania I hear

@ciprianbodea7838

3 жыл бұрын

@@ianlilley2577 As far as I know, here in Romania there are only two former noble families which claim to trace their ancestry to the Byzantine Empire: the Cantacuzino and the Paleogul family. Both of them claim to be descended from the imperial Byzantine families after which they are named(Kantakuzenos and Paleolgii in English I think),but no records to prove this exist.

@ianlilley2577

3 жыл бұрын

@@ciprianbodea7838 yep

@budakbaongsiah

3 жыл бұрын

@@ciprianbodea7838 Kantakouzenos and Palaiologos IIRC

I cannot prove it, but I'm pretty sure I'm a descendent of some unimportant plebs from some poor province in the western roman empiren who merged with the local barbarians.

@LuisAldamiz

3 жыл бұрын

Provincials were even lower than plebeians. Plebeians had Roman citizenship, provincials did not (until the Caracalla reforms). I also pride on such ancestry, at least by father's side, the barbarians only arrived recently though.

@genghiskhan5701

3 жыл бұрын

You are more likely to be a descendant of a patrician than a pleb due to how high the mortality rates among plebs were (wars, plagues, general suckiness of life)

@brianmccarthy5557

3 жыл бұрын

If that's your real last name, and not a joke, I'm sure you're right.

@scintillam_dei

3 жыл бұрын

I met a Habsburg in Cambodia who teaches English. He's an idiot who said he's short because his family always went around in carriages, so their legs were less necessary. He said that after insulting me as "not even Spanish" due to my height and having been born in Central America where many Spaniards moved to....

Love the video

Good video

Only ancestors of any note I have tie back to the O’Sullivan clan who held a third of Ireland and a Roman noble who built up their fortune as a merchant.

Isn't there any remnants of senators or emperors that are still usable for DNA tests ? Y-chromosome tests could really shine a light upon this.

That was a very cool video.

Outstanding video Gary Birmingham England UK

By now we're all descendents of the Roman senators. Just like we're all related to Charlemagne.

@sirmount2636

2 жыл бұрын

I won’t believe it until they dig Charlie’s body out of the ground & DNA test it.

Who is descended from the Roman Senatorial class ? Answer : Almost everyone with any long term ancestry in Western Europe. Your number of ancestors doubles with every generation. Do the maths for 2500 years.

@davidrenton

3 жыл бұрын

the given is around 30 generations in 1000 years, probably more as people used to die younger, have children earlier. But in short a generation every 33 years. So 2500 is 75 Generations and it would mean you had 37,778,931,862,957,161,709,568 ancestors. That's 37 sextillion , seeing as maybe there has been around 100 billion Humans ever in all existence, you see the problem. Genghis Khan is not the ancestor of 75% of Humanity, it just doesn't work that way.

@zenogias01

3 жыл бұрын

"Your number of ancestors doubles with every generation" Unless you're a Hapsburg.

@sc885

3 жыл бұрын

Another channel did this one; through marriage and numbers, anyone with a drop of European can go back to the high feudal period and find a common ancestor. Literally we're all related through a guy named Chuck.

@sc885

2 жыл бұрын

@@mike-om3hl the scorpion king was the guy?

@javiersaneiro6412

2 жыл бұрын

@@davidrenton Its called en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identical_ancestors_point As you go back the number of ancestors is bigger than the number of people that has ever live, which is impossible, and the reason is that eventually those exponential lineages converge, and statistically it reaches a point where all current living population is descendant for all people from that population from that point of time, except those whose lineages were extinct. For Europe definitively the Roman Empire and the Roman Republic is beyond that point, which means that all current European population are descendant from all European population from the Roman Empire, except those whose lineages were extinct

This is a powerful insight into the Rise and Fall of Rome. Like any organization, it always comes down to the People that run them.

Best content on KZread!!

Charlemagne was crowned by the pope, not by himself.

@MrVvulf

3 жыл бұрын

Was going to say the same. Pope Leo III did it to secure his own position and gain a politically and militarily powerful ally. Leo gained far more from the arrangement than Charlemagne did.

@sirmount2636

2 жыл бұрын

It was Napoleon who crowed himself. He got impatient & seized the crown from the Pope & put it on his head.

@valentinius62

2 жыл бұрын

@@sirmount2636 Some say he always planned to crown himself so as not to give the appearance of acknowledging the authority of the Papacy over him.

@sirmount2636

2 жыл бұрын

@@valentinius62 Interesting!

My shower thoughts are either of dubiously legality or likely to cause blindness.

So Weird. I also was trying to search this issue aswell. Literally days ago

I saw the title and at first, I was like, "well yeah, a lot of people had trouble surviving the Senate..." But I misread lol. Good video thanks.

Every Latin noble: I am irrefutably a descendant of a Roman senator. And no, I do not have proof! You will simply have to believe me.

@jaojao1768

3 жыл бұрын

"it's a rumour that only runs for twelve hundred years in our family" - Prince Massimo

I have a lot of Italian and European blood on my mother's side. So odds are I have both Legionarie and Barbarian ancestors who were beating the crap out of each other XD

@ChevyChase301

3 жыл бұрын

Modern Italian has much more Germanic Lombard, Arab, Norman, Greek, and Frank blood than OG Latin blood. Most native Italian Romans died in the Ostrogothic Wars and its following Plagues.

@enricomanno8434

3 жыл бұрын

@@ChevyChase301 absolutely nonsense

@lycaonpictus9662

3 жыл бұрын

@@ChevyChase301 Not true at all. Italians are on the whole descended from people who had been living in Italy even before the Roman Republic was founded. Do a an internet search for "genetic history of Italy." Contrary to popular belief invasions almost never replace the native population. It is usually only the elites getting replaced by a new warrior aristocracy and over time they're assimilated by the native population. The Lombard invasion of Italy was not unlike the Norman or Roman conquests of England.

A question I didn't know I needed an answer to!

One of the eldest roman families I knew died out - at least in their senior male line - rather recently (early 2000s), the Counts Theophylacti of Tusculum, the house of late-antiquity senatrix Marozia (the one that made several popes from her family) though they were from greece, originally.

The natural progression is a discussion of the Descendants of the Roman Emperors. You mentioned one house that can claim as such, and we do have records of survivors of the Palaiologoi, but what of The Flavians, Severans, Kommenoi, Angeloi & others?

@pierren___

3 жыл бұрын

A famous paleologue i think is Kalergi family.

You know this would have been an interesting video if 80% wasn't explaining what a senator was and instead focusing on the question asked, but whatever.

@TAKE_BACK_BRITAIN

3 жыл бұрын

Clearly you werent paying attention because the entire point was to explain how the senate was initially dominated by long existing aristocratic families, and why it eventually wasn’t, in order to explain the reasoning behind his question.

@scintillam_dei

3 жыл бұрын

This video would have been better if he first explained the etymology of the word "senator" and "history" as well as "empire" and "family."

@sirmount2636

2 жыл бұрын

Too much of these historians is hearing themselves talk. You can never just get a straightforward simple answer.

Double Invicta videos? Ooh yeah!

Bro, that Cantacuzino Palace is in my home town, I usually like your vids but I wish I could double like it this time 😂

The roman empire never fell. It only changed name. Still its active and has global power.

That assassin’s Creed odyssey soundtrack is lit 🔥 🔥 Edit: thanks to you i just started to play the game again🤣

Nice