Ill say it again, the black best friend trope is just the mammy trope with a new finish

@Quartzite9

2 ай бұрын

Wait you're right

@flynnchampion3617

2 ай бұрын

What's the mammy trope sorry?

@bookwyrm8181

2 ай бұрын

This is so interesting to think about, thanks for making this connection

@Quartzite9

2 ай бұрын

@@flynnchampion3617 like a black woman character that acts like a mother to people (usually not her own children)

@solsito24

2 ай бұрын

@@flynnchampion3617 a mammy is a maternal black woman who is subservient to white children and essentially only lives to improve THEIR lives but not their own. Not only that she derives all her fulfillment through this. Most tropes with black people connote that black people only exist for white people’s journey

The bestie is always underrated

@randompersonh

Ай бұрын

fr!!

@jonathanhibberd9983

Ай бұрын

It's because the main character is often the audience-insert character. I watched a review of Twilight where they forgot Bella's name, so just called her "pants", because the reader is supposed to wear her like a pair of pants in order to put themself into the story. And that's so often true. Luke Skywalker, Harry Potter, Frodo - all main characters whose supporting characters are far more interesting. But they also have more personality so you're less likely to see yourself in them.

@stellamariefanboy.6768

Ай бұрын

I love how the bestie is more well rounded and complex compared to the main character most of the time lol

@jjrpoektl1925

Ай бұрын

2nd male lead syndrome is real

@tildee

Ай бұрын

Mc is usually the underrated character no?

Then she becomes the antagonist

@EmiStar070

Ай бұрын

What about villain protagonist?

@hamstersandwich9917

Ай бұрын

OK Cassandra from Tangled

@Varahipatel-1

Ай бұрын

@@itsEmikoI think they mean the main character IS the villain, and the whole story revolves around them

@cataclysmic_catnip

Ай бұрын

⁠@itsEmiko an antagonist isn’t necessarily a villain. an antagonist is the force that apposes the main character. A protagonist can be a villain and an antagonist can be a hero! (Not hating just saying)

@itsEmiko

Ай бұрын

@@cataclysmic_catnip normally, antagonists are villains, which in this case, it is.

"Is there more waiting out there for me?" The writers: YES!! Its death 😀 to motivate the protagonist. Youre welcome

@dionemartins0212

27 күн бұрын

Nooo 😭

@misteriousgamr

19 күн бұрын

Don't remind me of Barbara from Stranger Things

@popstarprincess123

17 күн бұрын

You forgot a few extra roles The antagonist The background character trying to reclaim and expand her glory The character whose love interest is hot and their for the shippers journey That’s not all in this day and age You’ve got more opinions I just don’t want to say they might just make you…

@anivijudi

14 күн бұрын

or she needs to wait for book two where she will be the protagonist.

@8ThatUp2

10 күн бұрын

Look glaringly at the ghost whisperer😂😂

I’ve always loved the best friends of the main more then the main in literally everything I watch or read 😂😂😂

@C0okie47_musicaltheaterkid

Ай бұрын

Saaaame ❤

@user-mw8ei4wm4s

Ай бұрын

Sameee and then when something happens to the mc I don’t rlly care cuz the best friend is always better 😭

@TheTiredAndSleepyOwl

Ай бұрын

Teen wolf is such a great example for that, stiles was so good in the first few seasons

@moon.andsunny

Ай бұрын

@@TheTiredAndSleepyOwl fr like I love stiles but I’m iffy about Scott he just don’t give the right vibe

@TheTiredAndSleepyOwl

Ай бұрын

@miamccabewaller3504 I just loved stiles for how humorous and funny he was, and added bonus, he's hot 🔥

One show I thought did friends really well was winx. They literally addressed the main character always talking about herself. The girls would call each other’s selfishness out in really supportive but direct ways. I think it was a helpful role model for healthy friends where all the characters had flaws and strengths.

@ontheline3421

Ай бұрын

Winx was about a group of friends not one character. The argument is why winx is about winx and not their mums.

@HPKuro

19 күн бұрын

​@@ontheline3421 if I remember correctly, wasn't Bloom more the MC than the others? Sure, the friends were just barely below her, but the story was always centered just a bit more on her than her friends. She had the backstory that set her apart and like, some heritage that resulted in her powers being really special or something? Maybe royal family kinda thing? I can't remember the show that well but I remember that she was on a different level, even if it was only just a bit higher than the others. Sorta like how in MLP, Twilight Sparkle was the main character, but right alongside her was her friends, who were main characters, just not the main character. Bloom is the main character of Winx, the others are main characters, but Bloom is a bit more the main character

@ontheline3421

18 күн бұрын

@HPKuro I mean we can argue who is a bit longer on the screen. They all got backstories, private screentime, love intrests, etc eventually. Sure, we started with Bloom and she was the "cooler" and leader one but still it's called Winx not Bloom, it's about Winx. We could argue that the guys alone time was that bestie storyarch whoch was present but minor. Exactly the same as w.i.t.c.h. with one leader but all girls important or pokemon having 3 main characters Ash, Mistie and Brock not only Ash. Main character is not about that 5% more focus, it's about who the audience follow and in winx there was no issue with following e.g. that nature girl. Compared to let's Wendesday where your focus is on Wednesday and her plot, her issues, her flow of time even if you like Enid. We know Enid mosty when she is a part of Wednesday's life, blabbers about herself to Wednesday or gets a short "meet the side character" time to be more full and believable. Plus a 2 hour long movie is different than 10 episode series and is MUCH MUCH different from a hundreds of episodes series that screenwriters run out of ideas how to talk constantly about someone with limited by character and backstory options what to do without reusing their own ideas for the fifth time.

@HPKuro

18 күн бұрын

@@ontheline3421 the five percent more screen time is important, though, with what I was saying They're all main characters, but Bloom is *the* main character. I wasn't saying the others were side characters or something. I was saying that they're all main characters, but she's more of a main character than the rest- that five percent extra screen time is what sets her as the main, main character. And, arguining the name of the series is not a good idea... Is Zelda the main character of Legend of Zelda? The name can be an indication, but not always, so saying "it's called Winx and not Bloom" is simply an invalid argument. Another thing I can point out for that, although you won't likely know what I'm talking about (no offense meant, it's a more niche series) is the show Spider Riders. The name of the show is the name of the main group, but the main character is a member of the group, Hunter Steele, alongside his Spider companion Shadow. We see the adventures of the others, we see them do their own thing, but Hunter is very obviously the main character in the series. He's special as he's the only one in the group like him, and as he adventures on, he grows greatly stronger. The other Spider Riders grow as they go, but he stands out amongst them. I would never say the other Spider Riders weren't important, but Hunter and Shadow are the main characters, ahead of the others. Bloom is the Hunter of Winx, the others are greatly important beside her, and are main characters, but she is *the* main character. Also, bringing up Pokémon is, the worst idea you could come up with. Like... Not to be rude but, you do know that Misty and Brock aren't in the whole series, right...? As Ash goes on his journey, eventually, he leaves Brock and Misty, and the story follows him... Because Ash is the main character, alongside Pikachu. My point, in the end, is that, sometimes a series has different levels of main character. I haven't seen all of Attack on Titan, but Eren is the main character- even if Armin and Mikasa are right by his side. In Kagerou Daze, Shintaro (I might be spelling that wrong) was a bit more the main character, but all of them were main characters. In my favorite anime, Servamp, which you likely don't know, Mahiru and Kuro are the main characters but right beside them are Misono and Snow Lily. They're different levels of main character, Bloom, Mahiru/Kuro, Eren, Hunter, Shintaro, Ash/Pikachu, and many other similar characters are *the* main characters of their respective medias, but they have those friends who are right beside them, as main characters- but not *the* main characters. I'm not saying Techna isn't a main character, I'm saying she's not *the* main character. She's right by Bloom, but Bloom is front and center. She is *the* main character. Techna and the other fairies are main characters, just at a different level of main character.

Not gonns lie, i think this bestie would make a cool protagonist

@god_of_croissants

Ай бұрын

It would be entertaining lol

@Melodyinthemoss

Ай бұрын

I think it would be pretty cool to see someone like this turn out to be the villian

@tellg0t090

Ай бұрын

The only things I know about her is that she's self-centered, jealous of her friend, and is actively trying to ruin what looks like a healthy relationship.

@FloofTheBoi

Ай бұрын

That would just be Velma again… we all know how that turned out 😭

@Arkvalentine-vk1bx

Ай бұрын

​@@tellg0t090probably, probably not It would be a common trope she becomes the "secret" antagonist

I've never seen the best friend character as their life revolves around the MC. Any time the bestie isn't on screen and we aren't explicitly told where they are, I assume they are off being the MC of their own life.

@alycat24ab

Ай бұрын

Ye! Unfortunately that's a story that is rarely ever shown. Which is part of the problem. In fact, I'd love to see a movie, well tv series might be better suited for it, but one about two equal main characters who are best friends. And it dives into their lives. Each having equally compelling and rich story lines. Unique "side" characters and individuals. Strong motivating bonds and character development. And then the two stories intertwining at times! Meeting each other's families. Helping out their hard times. Showing best friends as equal but separate. And having good self confidence, mutual respect, and healthy fulfilling individual lives. (Something i think is entirely lacking in mainstream media. Granted, disaster codependency is more fun to write lmao. But still!!) If anyone is inspired by this please act upon it!! And let me know if you do!!! 🧡

@Shmidershmax

Ай бұрын

This sort of happens in regular show. Rigby and Eileen end up in a relationship but Mordecai is so self absorbed he never even realizes it

@whoasked3961

Ай бұрын

​@@Shmidershmax It's been years since I saw the reveal episode, but weren't Rigby and Eileen going out in secret? Or am I remembering wrong?

@bloomingrose48

Ай бұрын

​@@alycat24ab ok, so it's not a show, but the book "paper aeroplanes" by dawn o'porter sorta goes like this. Two female protagonists, two different lives, two different point of view but it's all coming together and they are in each other stories, great book actually, in young adult genre

@Shmidershmax

Ай бұрын

@@whoasked3961 iirc I don't think it was a secret but just cleverly kept from the viewer so you're just as surprised as Mordecai. I might be wrong though

This felt negative towards the friend. Calling her bland, etc. It would be nice to see this done without the girl vs girl aspect which is also a really problematic trope that bleeds over to the real world more often than not.

@MammonsHotbuns

Ай бұрын

Thank you for talking some sense here. It’s one thing to wish for change but to willingly shit on your friend is just cringe as hell.

@Muffins.0_0

Ай бұрын

this omg

@blakberrii1373

Ай бұрын

I don’t think it’s calling her bland, because it’s not about that girl at all. It’s about tropes in media, and she’s saying this one is overdone. ESPECIALLY when they’re POC-stop making POC side characters the one-dimensional accessories and compliments to white protagonists, is the main message I feel, no? It’s not a literal friendship, or else there’d be more interesting things to say about the 4th-wall breaking itself.

@save_the_bees

Ай бұрын

Agreed because I honestly thought this was suppose to be ironic/making fun of the side character-my b.

@daikonasahinacosplay

Ай бұрын

THISSS FR BC LIKE YOU DONT NEED TO BE RACIST WHILE SINGING A SONG ?? ( for anyone coming after me for saying that, lemme quote this ‘ white protagonist ‘

I love it when sude characters become part of their own series. Kinda like charlie and nick from heartstopper, they were originally side characters in solitare.

@tatyanahideg

Ай бұрын

Wait they were??

@fivehargreevesfan5

Ай бұрын

@Gottaloveliving yep. Solitare was written before heartstopper. And Nick was barely in it

@ndelaney8826

18 күн бұрын

me but with Aled!!! I loved him already in HS but Radio Silence was just so much more fleshed out

@fivehargreevesfan5

18 күн бұрын

@@ndelaney8826 YES!

@King_of_aces089

16 күн бұрын

Solitaire. . . .the computer game?

This "bestie" is toxic af.

@ChupacabraRex

Ай бұрын

I think the same thing.

@sts.sam.my.

Ай бұрын

Right? And feminist that pulls other women down? (Where’s the spice?) WHAT?

@soldierman3828

Ай бұрын

Yeah people actually liking her is alarming

@pierre-kyarahappolon1198

Ай бұрын

Because she wants to be noticed and don't want her life to be around the main character? Weird asf

@soldierman3828

Ай бұрын

@@pierre-kyarahappolon1198 because shes an asshole, the profile pic absolutely checks out.

It gives Velma vibes. I am so sorry I know what you’re going for but it screams Velma

@Mrs.Vifirus

Ай бұрын

You don’t have to apologize, cuz it is what they’re aiming for 😂

@tartaglia.

Ай бұрын

OH MY GOD YOU'RE RIGHT 😭 THAT'S WHY THE MC HERE SOUNDED LIKE SUCH A BITCH TO ME

@jonal5126

Ай бұрын

Totally, but i think that was the point

@vincere4591

Ай бұрын

Idk why I subconsciously pushed that down, I feel the exact same way now that you mention it.

@FernWorm88

Ай бұрын

Truly

We need a full version - I love this song so much ❤️

It sounds like the friend isn’t a very good one :(. Actively calling your friend boring, or inferring that they’re uninteresting, or that them being a white friend makes them less valuable… It sounds kinda toxic :/. Definitely a pick-me. So much for being a feminist when suddenly there’s only “one right way” to be a woman ,:(.

@Roxy-ut1vv

Ай бұрын

Yeah basically an oxymoron

@tellg0t090

Ай бұрын

I think the best part is her advice. The beginning of the song shows the MC values her boyfriend and has a good connection, and the first thing her supposed friend suggests is leaving him. She doesn't care for her friends' happiness at all. If it conflicts with her worldview, it's done

@tale7955

28 күн бұрын

​@@Roxy-ut1vvMore a moron than the Oxy

@rottenkittenparvo

24 күн бұрын

@@tellg0t090 remember the disney rom coms, kids shows where the mc white girls had side character black friends? its a reference to them, cus in those shows the side character friend was actually funnier and had personality but didnt develop their own plot. Thats whats it about. And leaving the bf part, there are girls who complain about their bfs abuse to their bestie but when the friend gives advice to leave, they dont, its about that kind of relationship.

@tellg0t090

24 күн бұрын

@@rottenkittenparvo cool then show that detail. I am exclusively using the context provided, and I do not see anything that shows her complaining about her boyfriend. I get this is supposed to be meta, but you still have to filter that commentary through the character and explain it to an audience who may not know the trope. The problem I have with this character is that she's just a mouthpiece, and because everyone is just a 2d implication of a character based on tropes, nothing makes her look good. We don't get the setup for the commentary, and she points to her "best friend" when addressing tropes, which just makes her sound rude and, in some cases, a little racist. The problem is that this song was strictly written for an audience who wants to take a high-school or college style breakdown of the work and has nothing of value for people who just judge it as a story because eather you have to say she's acting out of character in this song for meta purposes or she just sounds like a bad person.

The “bestie” seems cringe and toxic af ngl

@PsychoTrenchcoatKid

Ай бұрын

How?

@ChupacabraRex

Ай бұрын

@@PsychoTrenchcoatKid She puts down her friend by calling her Bland, white, and not woke. Also, asks her to leave her boyfriend, most likely because it takes time away from them.A neat character arc for this character woud be realizing that they're not a very good friend.

@PsychoTrenchcoatKid

Ай бұрын

@@ChupacabraRex It sounds more like somebodys internal monologue, they’re aware of the story, so of course they’d be a little annoyed when they know somebody who’s the main character and they only purpose is to be their friend. White isn’t an insult, it’s a fact, and she never called her not woke. honestly, just seems like a normal person, not everyone can be incredibly positive, and negative traits can lead us to be a bit harsh like the ‘where’s the spice’, which just seems more like a self aware thing to me.

@ChupacabraRex

Ай бұрын

​@@PsychoTrenchcoatKid Nobody is perfect but she seems extrmely angry, jelous and despective of her Friend, seeing herself as superior to her in terms of traits. You free to think otherwise, but I can most definately see why someone would call her toxic, she is acting more like a little child than a twenty or something year old woman.

@PsychoTrenchcoatKid

Ай бұрын

@@ChupacabraRex Yeah, I guess so.

Fun fact: the reason so many people are like "There's too many LGBTQ+ characters in movies nowadays!" is because they've NEVER been in movies, and their appearance at ALL is shocking. Yes, there's more LBGTQ+ rep. Yes, there's some pandering to audiences (because people like representation) and because it's profitable. But there's still lots of movies that don't have LGBTQ+ characters. For instance: Wish Dragon Turning Red (ONE background character is gay) Free Guy Luca Encanto Sea Beast Y'all, I can go on. There's so many movies with literally zero focus on romantic relationships at all, or purely straight ones. Not only that, but there's still TONS of white characters. Free Guy? White. Luca? White. The reason you're noticing characters that aren't white is because YOU'RE NOT USED TO THEM. Please, just give it time, and accept that people are diverse. People aren't (generally) trying to push an 'agenda'. They're trying to clarify that people are diverse and can have opinions that deviate from the norm! That's normal! anyway, subscribe to my onlyfa- (this last bit is a joke lmao)

@LocalMaple

2 ай бұрын

Wait until Glowbuggo learns about Hays Code and all the representation it allowed via loophole, and how those practices carried on into the MPAA rating system. Characters like Goofy, The Cowardly Lion, The Queen and King of Hearts, Timone and Pumbaa, Ursula, Mulan, Lena Hyena, Scar, Pleakley… Basically, any villain or buffoon type characters or events were allowed to be LGBT coded. The issue with modern LGBT+ is twofold. 1. It targets kids, and/or has obvious representation. Parents have a right to teach, and a responsibility to protect, their child. If the parent isn’t ready for that talk and/or the talk, they have a right to not expose their kids to LGBT. 2. Writing and/or characterization suffer when LGBT is mishandled and/or heavy handed. Watch Strange World for a poster child of “message before story.” The only named White dude is the antagonist and source of generational trauma, the grandson pivots between wildlife preservationist and “lets remind the audience in gay,” and when the plot isn’t focused on either of those it espouses the virtues of green energy. Audiences want to be entertained, not preached to. I’m not saying LGBT representation can’t be done. In teen-targeted media like The Owl House, I’ve seen it done well and get a large fanbase. While in Doctor Strange MoM (a clear teen/YA horror film) America had “Love is Love” on her jacket and she said “they’re my mothers,” the character and story were well written and wouldn’t have suffered any losses if the stitching was removed and she instead said “it’s my family.” As a metaphor, in theater, there are three types of lights. Spotlights that focus on one thing while other lights dim, floodlights that illuminate everything equally, and backlights that provide mood or contrast. Most conservative people don’t want LGBT spotlighted throughout their films, few are okay with it permeated like a floodlight, and nearly everyone is okay with a backlight. There is a difference between Elsa being a metaphor for coming out of the closet and Turning Red having characters with diabetes patches, and making Baby Gonzo trans.

@Notahumanimbeingserious

2 ай бұрын

Couldn’t agree more! People really act like the tiniest bit of representation is the most ‘woke’, horrendous thing they’ve ever seen If you’re complaining about a movie/game/etc being ‘woke’ because people of colour and the LGBTQ community exist, then you need to touch grass

@ByeIAmGon

Ай бұрын

Luca was actually supposed to be an LGBTQ+ movie!

@solostrings4056

Ай бұрын

Ok I get the rest of this but…. Luca was white because he was Italian and the movie is yk…. Themed on being Italian????? I just don’t think it’d be right to display Italian culture with someone who isn’t Italian, in the same way you shouldn’t do that with any other race.

@eeng17

Ай бұрын

👏🏼👏🏼Exactly!

It almost sounds like white is an insult in this song.

@lilialalia4836

Ай бұрын

It probably was

@rae3429

Ай бұрын

Because for these people it IS.

@lucyhannah1227

Ай бұрын

i mean if you're actively searching for a reason to be offended by this, then sure

@miyanomylove12

Ай бұрын

It's kinda offensive​@@lucyhannah1227

@AlexCenFiner

Ай бұрын

They’re just making a point about lack of diversity in shows. I think it’s stretch to say it’s an insult.

I love the little tooth gap the bestie has. It's absolutely adorable 😊

I mean its pretty narcissistic to look at the world as if its a book, not to mention the unnecessary Jabs at her so called friend. Id say the reason shes not the "MC" is because shes too bitter to go out on her own and would rather be miserable with the only person who can tolerate her around. Thats just my observations though

@fatcat1414

Ай бұрын

It's called a fourth wall break. The song is set within the confines of a fictional story that operates on tropes, and the lyrical narrator is aware of that. It is not a 1-to-1 representation of the artist's perspective on her own life, it is a parody of preexisting fiction.

@Jane-ow7sr

Ай бұрын

@@fatcat1414 I never said it was??? Chill.

@fatcat1414

Ай бұрын

@@Jane-ow7sr Then why are you talking about the song as if it's about a real person and not a tongue-in-cheek parody of a trope? Chill.

@Jane-ow7sr

Ай бұрын

@@fatcat1414 I'm referring to the character herself, go cry about it if you can't read.

@catsforever420

Ай бұрын

i'm gonna cook your pet

Sexism, racism and misandry in one video. Nice job!

@rae3429

Ай бұрын

It's their brand! 😂

@nenokedoken885

Ай бұрын

?

@BumbleBeazee

Ай бұрын

People like you that are this idiotic always confuse me so damn much…

@kaytosh5735

Ай бұрын

Huh?

@jonal5126

Ай бұрын

Wait, where's the misandry? I didn't saw her insulting men or anything like that. I think the song is satire in reality using dark humor

Dont know why it was mentioned that the protagonist was white

@rose2887

Ай бұрын

Because they usually are lol

@kayla-rg6iw

Ай бұрын

Because that's the cliche, which is the entire point of the song. Are you acting dense on purpose?

@Jane-ow7sr

Ай бұрын

​@@kayla-rg6iw you're being a bit too bitchy for a Thursday, tone it down.

@Royaleegal

Ай бұрын

@@kayla-rg6iw are you okay? No one’s holding anyone hostage to make the protagonist white, if you don’t like the cliche make your own story and make the protagonist black 😐

@hat7475

Ай бұрын

​@@Royaleegalnaurrr the short is well aware of that bruv 😩

Oh my god her voice is so good ❤

Love the song, but I really don't like the best friend putting down there best friend just because they are not getting as much love or attention. That is not what real freinds do. Protag is not a good friend either for ignoring her loved ones that are not the love interest.

@ravenfrancis1476

15 күн бұрын

She's not putting down the MC, she's putting down the writers that give a constant disproportionate spotlight to the MC's struggles while people like her are often left to the sidelines.

Disney would love you right now

@pikachuspartan1868

Ай бұрын

Disney ain't ready for this type of storytelling. They still using tropes and stereotypes.

@goofy_goober-dk5bc

Ай бұрын

Disney doesn't care about anything except money, just bc they have gay characters doesn't mean they're actually woke

@annataymond9529

Ай бұрын

Yeah no. The one time they had a gay main character they didn’t advertise the movie at all, and it only came up a couple times. They don’t want a forward “political” character.

@keitolover-ly7fz

Ай бұрын

lmao not at all

@ToraGhost

Ай бұрын

@@pikachuspartan1868FR

Bro really wants to become Velma💀💀💀💀💀

@ReoN.0

13 күн бұрын

Fr like we don’t need to know they are woke or a feminist activist. Or dislike shit People like? They could have made a cool song about just being a side character but they doing too much

@TNap-tu43

12 күн бұрын

@@ReoN.0bro fr!!

Maybe if she wasnt such a hater lmao

@ChupacabraRex

Ай бұрын

She would make a good antagonist, with her character arc being to be less mean.

The first 3 lines are why you're not the main protagonist

@mrtunasandwhich6799

Ай бұрын

Exactly that's what their trying to show??

@BOO13FRI

Ай бұрын

@@mrtunasandwhich6799”Black people cant be racist! They have a reason to hate white oeople!”

@iliketoreadgirl2556

Ай бұрын

Yes but wouldn’t it be more interesting to have a story about somone like that than a cliché girl?

@xCeL46

Ай бұрын

Nope. Every time its happened a franchise died ​@@iliketoreadgirl2556

@PrincessJediCupcakes

Ай бұрын

⁠@@iliketoreadgirl2556They did make a story about someone like that. Her name was Velma, and the entire internet hated her.

its true but the bestie gets more likes

Everyone is the main character in their own life!

@ChupacabraRex

Ай бұрын

Exactly!

What kind of friend say those things? You're not the mc bestie, sis 😢

@ChupacabraRex

Ай бұрын

Exactly, she's so mean. Calling her bland and boring as well as prompting her to leave er boyfriend due to taking time away from her. She seriously needs to learn to be a better friend.

@CHNO-cm1rd

Ай бұрын

My thoughts exactly lol, she started singing and I immediately went "yeah THAT'S why you're not the main character lol", bc you're low-key a snake

@OvSpP

Ай бұрын

The whole point went over your head

@CHNO-cm1rd

Ай бұрын

@@OvSpP you can see the overall point and the nuance at the same time though

@hadrianhexe9603

Ай бұрын

@@ChupacabraRex She's mean for not understanding why her story revolves someone else? Ya'll are so unserious

Can we all just be the MC? Write your own stories. We want to read them. I promise.

@ChupacabraRex

Ай бұрын

Exactly, a good story is one that gives the impression that all the characters have their own lives not evolving around the MC.

@motaku220

18 күн бұрын

are you slow? Poc stories are not given the same platform as white stories

This feels like it has racist undertones towards the mc ngl- almost gives Velma vibes

@jonal5126

Ай бұрын

I think that was the point

@ChupacabraRex

Ай бұрын

@@jonal5126 Hopefully it's a parody.

Tbh this "bestie" going to be an annoying character, mainly because she have this "look i'm so different" mindset and hateful. She's full of irony. You can't call yourself a bestie and a feminist when you like to talk sh*t about her and constantly putting other people down.

@Puddingskin01

Ай бұрын

Every movie now: "But kids like irony!"

@user-ik6ee4vg1p

Ай бұрын

Sorry, I'm confused. How is she talking sh!t about people? She just said she wanted to not have her life revolve around someone else and have her own story.

@imechko_familia

Ай бұрын

FINALLY SOMEONE SAID IT

@goofersss

Ай бұрын

​@@user-ik6ee4vg1pcalling her friend basic and bland isn't what a bestie is

Bro really said woke as if it's a good thing 💀

@gabrielleoana1092

Ай бұрын

Hahaha 🤣🤣🤣

@samfoster8760

Ай бұрын

lol 😂

@Almond.stars666

Ай бұрын

If your “anti-woke” then your the problem.

@OvSpP

Ай бұрын

Depends on who you ask. The original meaning is neutral at best because of what it has to come from. The appropriated meaning is always negative.

@bloodycupcake00

27 күн бұрын

I mean...

If I ever include a bestie in my story I’m gonna make a separate story for them

@PixelPlayhouse

Ай бұрын

🤗🤗🤗

Reminds me of the velma show

@ChupacabraRex

Ай бұрын

True.

@OvSpP

Ай бұрын

Reminds me of many Mindy Kaling shows with a hot white boy

cringe

@Roxy-ut1vv

Ай бұрын

It’s almost like she isn’t the main character for a reason lol

@ChupacabraRex

Ай бұрын

@@Roxy-ut1vv exactly.

making black be apart of your personality is crazy

@tellg0t090

Ай бұрын

Making being black, your only good quality is crazy

@user-ns4zm8qe9p

Ай бұрын

Must not have a whole lot going on if their openers are “im a woke black feminist” 😆

@Ahhahash

Ай бұрын

Maybe shes Asian?

@Candyrock15

Ай бұрын

She's not black?

It's always the besties I fall for when Im watching something

I want to see a story where the MC leaves this woman. If I found out my best friend was talking shit about me behind my back, especially about my race, and was actively interested in making me leave my loved ones, I'd never talk to them again. She didn't even wait for a second after hanging up to trash-talk her friend. That's just toxic

When you’re the self proclaimed protagonist, you usually start to see yourself as the protagonist. Even when you’re not.

@motaku220

18 күн бұрын

weird

The last time we let the woke side character become the main character the new Velma came out sooo 😭

@tellg0t090

Ай бұрын

Based on this song, I think Velma would be the better show

@user-ns4zm8qe9p

Ай бұрын

@@tellg0t090I’d take new Velma over this lmao

@Puddingskin01

Ай бұрын

Looking forward to the car scene.

@Quinn-he3vn

Ай бұрын

Let's ignore every trash TV show and movie made by white people, then.

So if the mc was any other skin colour than “white” it would be better?

@motaku220

18 күн бұрын

yes

@raize3030

18 күн бұрын

@@motaku220 that’s racism you know

@motaku220

18 күн бұрын

@@raize3030 racism is worrying about if a police officer will kill you for your skin color. Racism is being followed around in a store because they think you will steal something . Racism i is not people who are underrepresented wanting to see themselves in media

She's literally the protagonist of every single new movie that flops in the box office.

@DGNR-fc7kf

Ай бұрын

Fr

@gabrielleoana1092

Ай бұрын

Exactly.

@ChupacabraRex

Ай бұрын

Exactly

@lmcb8447

Ай бұрын

Not every single movie with woke mc fails in box office, besides its not like just a few fail in box office too with average mc... there are also many that flop without the mc being woke

>is the center of the show >uses it to bitch about not being the center >talks about the white protagonist That's gonna be an oof from me.

@BOO13FRI

Ай бұрын

Like, this is why she isn’t the protagonist

@user-ns4zm8qe9p

Ай бұрын

@@BOO13FRIcan’t have a protagonist that is just miserable and bitter towards everything and everyone around them absolutely. How did the writers not stop themselves lmao

@SuperArtificial

Ай бұрын

​​@@user-ns4zm8qe9p plenty of shows where the protagonist is constantly negative and manipulative or straight up evil sometimes. Protag doesn't mean good guy, it means the main character in a story. Walter White in breaking bad is the protagonist but he's straight up messed up in the head. The Joker is also a protagonist.

I was growing up lesbian, the best friend was always my crush in EVERY movie. They had such a character, and they made her look as if her life revolved around the MC. In my head was like "she totally is in love with her, because if i was her i wouldn't even stand a minute" 😭

STOP THIS IS BEAUTIFUL HER VOICE IS WONDERFUL

If a feminist thinks you should break up with your boyfriend, that’s a sign you shouldn’t break up with him.

@tellg0t090

Ай бұрын

Honestly, if your friend acts like this in any way, you shouldn't be friends with them.

@lmcb8447

Ай бұрын

Feminist doesn't mean man hater, I wish people would stop confusing the two. If a feminist tells you you should break up with your abusive boyfriend that isn't at all a sign you should keep with him.

@countrycoffeecup7772

Ай бұрын

@@lmcb8447 No, you’re confusing feminists with women’s rights activists.

@annalessens8778

26 күн бұрын

@@countrycoffeecup7772 fem·i·nism [ˈfeməˌnizəm] noun the advocacy of women's rights on the basis of the equality of the sexes A women’s rights activist is someone who advocates for equal rights and opportunities for women seems pretty similar...

@countrycoffeecup7772

26 күн бұрын

@@annalessens8778 I’m gonna need a source for that

also not y'all in the comments getting it wrong??? holy cow yall the lyrics are transparent, like the lyrics are _describing_ the tropes and the cliches of such characters. she isn't showing off. its like a 4th wall break kinda thing.

People when they think they are quirky and different

@motaku220

18 күн бұрын

people when the lack a drop of media comprehension

@vsprout9316

12 күн бұрын

People when they can't take a joke -> ​@@motaku220

No one cares if you are woke or a feminist if we just want cute love stories

@ChupacabraRex

Ай бұрын

True.

@PGOuma

Ай бұрын

Queer love stories are valid too

@rue_pardox

Ай бұрын

​@@PGOuma why did you separate them? As if queer isn't human

pick me

The bestie is always my favourite character. They just have so much wasted potential.

@todorokitouyadabi

Ай бұрын

I can tell by ur pfp but alya 🔛🔝 fr fr

@RadFoxDude

Ай бұрын

@@todorokitouyadabi Ikr she’s just so cool

why is the race important? "white protagonist" what

@ChupacabraRex

Ай бұрын

I hope that it's a parody.

@stephanos6128

Ай бұрын

its a common trope and the singer is just pointing out the trope. the trope is older than this song and singer combined.

@blazinlion293

Ай бұрын

Kinda of like the gay best friend or the black nerd friend they almost have a white mc. Not a race thing but it's so common

Go woke go broke

that last “bestie” is ear candy omg

I now want a play from the perspective of the main character's bestie. The main character will obviously have a story that feels like a the central plot but in the background. Or I guess it's the foreground, you're just looking from the background.

I think its a great idea for Disney to add Characters with Different ethnicities like Pocahontas Tiana Moana Mulan, but Instead of making more Loveable characters, They take characters and turn them into completely different people and act like It's the same Character,

Because movies involve character development arch through a major event. POC side character is whole and perfect as she is, there would be no conflict to move the story along 😅

@motaku220

18 күн бұрын

Bro misunderstood the whole vodeo

Her voice, the animation, the line delivery, this is EVERYTHING.

I think that a lot of the shows that have come out recently have proven that the bestie character trope is best in small doses

Dw you may not be the main character, but you will be everyone’s favourite.

Finally! There’s an animated version!

Tbh the bestie/side character/comedic relief are 9 times out of 10 my favorite character and ik I probably sound like everyone else’s but they are usually super under appreciated and underrated

You lost me at woke feminist

@nunusthoughts

Ай бұрын

It's a joke or a exaggeration of most of the best friend characters in media

@VenusAhlers

Ай бұрын

@@nunusthoughts oh ok lol

@Almond.stars666

Ай бұрын

What’s wrong with a woke feminist

@VenusAhlers

Ай бұрын

Yes there is

@VenusAhlers

Ай бұрын

They always claim to be marginalized and oppressed and get offended by the smallest of things

If it’s any consolation, the side characters are often far more interesting than the main characters because main characters are often ‘blank slates’ so that the reader/viewer can project themselves-the fact the main characters is usually straight, white, and very standard looking is just an attempt at making the main characters as cardboard as possible to the most people 😅

Dw she gets her own spin off show in a couple of years.

@ChupacabraRex

Ай бұрын

Like young sheldon?

It’s because she’s woke 😭, no one wants to deal with that 😅

@lmcb8447

Ай бұрын

You don't know what woke means... and not everyone hates woke people...

@FrankFerter-v5s

6 күн бұрын

Woke is ass ​@@lmcb8447

Sounds like a pick me.

Awwww poor victim

@motaku220

18 күн бұрын

aww poor weirdo

Now this is a video I would have never asked for or seeked out. But dam would my life have been incomplete without it. Love this and what you do.

She listed off the reasons why she's not the protag in the beginning of her musical number

who willingly calls themselves woke though

@Ary-vr1pu

Ай бұрын

Me

@fatcat1414

Ай бұрын

This is a tongue-in-cheek parody. And additionally, 'woke' was AAVE coined to describe being aware of how racism impacted your life, before conservatives appropriated it to describe anything they don't like.

I don’t like the racism :( why does skin color matter we’re all people

@Almond.stars666

Ай бұрын

Do you not understand the history of racism and how it still affects us today?

@memewitadream9794

Ай бұрын

@@Almond.stars666 of course I understand racism, racism is a bias, or hatred toward ANY other race, hating anyone cause of something they can’t control is wrong period.

Def an antagonist

The best friend is almost always my favorite character

velma lmao

Main character is still better

But it’s basically all the mcs now. Sassy woke feminist. you are talking about how it used to be

@ChupacabraRex

Ай бұрын

I THINK it's a parody but I'm not completely sure.

Whats awful is the best friend is either what this songs about or they look like the white protagonist and are hella stereotypical Barbie lookin.

@BonBon069

Ай бұрын

there’s nothing wrong with looking white

@miyanomylove12

Ай бұрын

Racist

@PGOuma

Ай бұрын

Looking like Barbie isn't racist y'all. It's not natural

@anifan1311

Ай бұрын

@@BonBon069 not all white people look like Barbie.

@BonBon069

Ай бұрын

@@anifan1311 stereotypical.. just bc white women have blone hair blue eyes doesn’t mean they r trying to be barbie it would be racist tho if i white girl said a black person with messy hair yellow eyes and is like ghetto it would be seem as racist

Woke, and activist has me prefering the bestie to die the next episode.

@ChupacabraRex

Ай бұрын

I at least want her to be less mean to her supposed "best friend". She complaisn about her being bland, boring, and having a boyfriend.

Yikes

When basically EVERY SINGLE character gets at least one episode in my hope to be series. Other than background characters, if you get a line, ya get an episode.

Well now I wanna write a book from the bestie’s perspective!

Alya from MLB joined the chat

It’s giving velma

I love the stories where the best friend gets a girlfriend or a boyfriend later on as well

The person at the coffe shop was a girl…❤️🧡💛💚💙💜?

@tellg0t090

Ай бұрын

Is this really a shock she all but says she's gay at the beginning

@Mushroomelixir

Ай бұрын

@@tellg0t090 Wait she did? I missed this!!!

@tellg0t090

Ай бұрын

@@Mushroomelixir she's a modern stereotype. Looks: she's an athletic tomboy with short hair Personality: she starts with being a woke feminist activist, and later, we can see from her advice to her friend that she doesn't really seem to like men. Context: While not directly stated, most productions like this like making their main characters lgbtq These are all stereotypes associated with being queer or lesbian. She doesn't say it, but there are enough clues that it at least shouldn't be a surprise that she at least is bi. The only things missing are genuine confirmation from her either demonstrating it or outright saying it and a little pride flag pin

@Mushroomelixir

Ай бұрын

@@tellg0t090 Oh wow- happy there's some sapphic rep!!

@tellg0t090

Ай бұрын

@@Mushroomelixir Well, the difference is I called that at the beginning, and you're standing in awe, so I'm not sure why you think your sarcasm would land. They do this all the time in media this is like me saying guess what I'm thinking of it has 4 wheels and an engine, and you get snippy because you couldn't guess it was a car

Answer: no because shes only to mark a checkbox into the agenda, and also people dont like to be patronized by characters like her 😂

I Hope that the woke faminist activist will never be protagonist❤

@nunusthoughts

Ай бұрын

I hope that they will

Omg the little run on “Revolve” tickles my brain for some reason

Better yet Just write compelling characters and viewers will appreciate everyone rather than spoon feed your audience a character who was made to be a quirky play on a trope, who more so comes off as an attention whore when the “white mc” barely did anything wrong?

Peace out. ✌️ this shit feels weird.

Maybe because they're not cool enough to be MC sorry but her whole personality just makes me not want to talk to her. I guarantee it's all going to be obnoxious identity politics

You know how emperors new groove had a whole other movie about Kronk? That’s what needs to happen with some of these MC best friends 😭

@ChupacabraRex

Ай бұрын

Or young sheldon. he got a seven-seadon TV series.

@TheUnitedstupidity

Ай бұрын

@@ChupacabraRex yeah but Sheldon in the Big Bang theory was one of the main characters anyways

Always the bestie, never the MC 😔

Me scrolling away when I heard woke 😂

@maya.sunsubs

Ай бұрын

byeee

@Candyrock15

Ай бұрын

But you stayed long enough to leave a comment....

Ngl it’s because you don’t have any character development to go through your mentioning all good traits not the ones that you want to fix and hate to say but nobody likes a Mary sue. You could be the main character if you had more flaws for audiences to relate to or if you faced some major challenges other than “ I am a woke feminist of color “ like maybe you aren’t happy for your friend when she’s getting her life together because maybe you were in a bad relationship and you want to learn to love yourself again bam there is your movie you stop comparing yourself to others and you realize that you’re enough and you don’t need validation from others because you want to be happy being yourself

@ChupacabraRex

Ай бұрын

A good character arc for this character woud be learning and realizing that she's actually a bad friend and learning that she doesn't need to be the centerpoint of her friends life and that nobody is "bland". The problem is that characters like this never get proven wrong, with all things favoring them.

hey!!! with everyone saying this friend isnt a good one you're absolutely right..... but imagine the development. the improvement later on. this is a great idea for a character because this girl can later realize where she went wrong. i think this has a chance and its inspiring. characters are meant to grow.

@emeraldmunozvilla848

2 күн бұрын

yeah I don't think that's where this is going. If she had character development, would that mean she isn't feminist or woke anymore? That's not what they're gonna try to put in a show

Cringe