What Were The Bantam Battalions? World War 1
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The Bantam battalions of the British (& Canadian) army during the First World War were made up from men below the normal height requirement of 5'3.
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Over 30,000 pint-sized warriors volunteered, including a corporal who was just 4'9 and I will share his story later in this episode. I will also tell you about a bantam war poet, and another bantam who would make a huge impact on Britain after the war.
They made up in courage and aggression what they lacked in height. Each one, described in a poem as : "A pocket Hercules"
these bantams were up for the fight.
Indeed, so renowned were the little men from the 18th battalion, the Highland Light Infantry, for taking on all-comers in pub brawls in Glasgow, they were nicknamed the "Devil Dwarves."
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It all started just 2 months into the war, when a miner who failed to reach the standard height requirement offered to take on all-comers to prove he could fight and it took 6 larger soldiers to remove him from the recruiting office.
His plucky, aggressive behaviour encouraged a Member of Parliament, Alfred Bigland, to form his own battalion of men between 4'10 and 5'3.
Within 2 weeks, Bigland had received 3,000 applications, enough to form not one, but two battalions, the 1st & 2nd Birkenhead battalions of Cheshire Regiment.
The Birkenhead News gave them enamel lapel badges emblazoned BBB (Bigland's Birkenhead Bantams)
Overall 29 battalions of UK & Canadian bantams were recruited during World War 1
Bantam Battalions included:
15th (service) battalion, The Cheshire Regiment
16th (service) battalion, The Cheshire Regiment
17th (reserve) battalion, Cheshire Regiment
23rd (service) battalion, the Manchester Regiment
19th & 23rd battalions, Durham Light Infantry
17th battalion, West Yorkshire Regiment
11th (service) battalion, King's Own Royal Regiment
17th, 18th & 20th battalions, Lancashire Fusiliers
15th battalion, Sherwood Foresters
17th (service) battalion, Welsh Regiment
18th (service) battalion, Welsh Regiment
12th battalion, South Wales Borderers
19th battalion, Royal Welsh Fusiliers
17th (Rosebery) battalion, Royal Scots
18th battalion, Highland Light Infantry (the "Devil Dwarves")
12th battalion, Suffolk Regiment
20th battalion, the Middlesex Regiment
21st (Islington) battalion, Middlesex Regiment
The bantam battalions formed the whole of the 35th division and half of the 40th division on the Western Front and fought with distinction at the battle of the Somme (1916) and the battle of Cambrai (1917).
Ultimately, the inability to replace bantam size men (due to losses) led to the dilution and disbandment of the bantam battalions.
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0:00 Intro
0:47 Summary
2:15 Highland Titles
4:08 Height Restrictions
5:23 Bigland's Bantams - Cheshire Regiment
7:49 What were Bantams
9:06 23rd battalion Manchester's
11:20 Bantam Battalions
13:27 "Devil Dwarves"
14:27 Canadian Bantams
15:00 35th Division
17:04 Famous Bantams
18:19 40th Division
19:57 Bantams in Action
22:06 Bantam Losses
24:02 Dilute & Disband
26:41 Little Men, Big Hearts
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My Great uncle, Stanley Fletcher served in a bantam battalion of the Durham light infantry. He was killed at the 2nd battle of Ypres in 1917 and he is commemorated on the menin gate.
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2 ай бұрын
My grandfather was (as far as I have been able to ascertain) also in the DLI. He was wounded when he fumbled a grenade, losing two fingers, and so was sent home. Again as far as I have been able to find out, he served at Beaumont Hamel on the Somme, and was invalided home before the disastrous battle. He lived until 1980, and held down a job as a postman until he retired. As well as that, my great-grandfather on the other side of the family, fought under Lord Roberts in the 2nd Afghan Campaign, and took part in the great march from Kabul to Canadahar.
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2 ай бұрын
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Despite the height they volunteerd to fight for Britain and deserve to be rememberd, courage and determination more than made up for their short stature. Thank you superb as always.
@normanberg9940
2 ай бұрын
Despite the height they volunteerd to die for Britain and deserve to be rememberd, as the victims of a pointless war fought simply for the vanity of the various aristocracies. A war that would go on to spawn the worst instincts of humankind, in the bloodiest century of all history. A century that would change the world for the worse, forever. What a cause to die for?
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Ай бұрын
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I was once "politely asked to leave" an inter-collegiate history conference while I was discussing Sir Stamford Raffles. It really irritated the moderator (an old batty woman with as much cheer and character as a dried-out scarecrow) when I mentioned, "If the British Empire was the greatest force for good in human history, Thomas Stamford Bingley Raffles deserves his own plinth in the pantheon of heroes of the Empire. After all, his name, likeness, and statues still exist in post-colonial southeast Asia. Can't say the same for Teddy Roosevelt in Cuba, can you?"
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It shows how poor a diet the lower class men were used to - nearly all malnourished and stunted working men, many miners, foundry workers and factory hands who all died young and worked hard for very little money but still wanted to fight for their country.
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My grandfather was in a bantam service regiment from Wales
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2 ай бұрын
Interesting, do you know which one?
@johnallen7974
Ай бұрын
@TheHistoryChap 18th (service) Battalion (2nd Glamorgan) The Welsh Regiment. He was a lorry driver and a story he told was that he was driving the last lorry in a convoy and only the first and last lorry survived an attack from the enemy. His name was private Albert John Allen.
It’s not the size of a man in a fight,it’s the size of the fight in a man that matters.
@andrewjost6714
2 ай бұрын
Kinda' like: It's not how long your fuse is, but how much TNT is on the end of it!.... 8-)
@asimnawaz9256
2 ай бұрын
Especially in modern warfare.
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Ай бұрын
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After applying to join the army in 1997, after passing all tests,I became the smallest man to join the Scots Guards when the height restrictions were removed,,i felt like a garden gnome,years later when i left,i was almost a foot taller than some i stood proudly at 5'6" DYNAMITE COMES IN SMALL PACKAGES!!😢
@lordeden2732
2 ай бұрын
My late father a 6' 9" Grenadier would have loved to have you as a Garden novelty.
@richentwistle4028
2 ай бұрын
I am 5'4" I served 40 years in the United States Army. As a Infantrymen and a Paratrooper in the 82nd Airborne, and the 3 rd Battalion 325th Airborne combat team, and the 101st Airborne air assault division. I have deployed to combat in every conflict beginning w the Panama and last in Iraq/Afghanistan. Taller and stronger had to keep up with me.
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Excellent video A serious dilemma for Great Britain 🇬🇧 These men were not short. When the Boers took British prisoners, they found that the officers were tall and the privates’ much shorter. It was due to malnourishment in British working class society. But in the WW2, shorter men were in great demand for armoured fighting vehicles and cramped spaces in warplanes.
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My great Grandfather served in a Bantam battalion. He kept his head down and survived the war. I guess being short has it's advantages.
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Great episode, Chris! My wife's grandfather, Bristol-born Private Thomas Henry Potter (1896-1988), volunteered for the Canadian Expeditionary Force (CEF) 10th July 1916 at Hamilton, Ontario, while working as a ‘Wireman’ for a local telephone company. Initially assigned to the 216th Overseas Battalion, CEF (“The Bantams”) following basic infantry training, he was sent for further training in February & March of 1917 as a telegraph signaller. His unit sailed from Halifax to England 18 April 1917 aboard the ‘S.S. Scandinavian’; arriving in Liverpool 29th April. His medical record described him as 5’-2” tall, weighing 122lbs-truly a ‘bantam’! Numerous transfers then ensued in England, between the Canadian Reserve assembly areas of the West Sandling Camp (Shorncliffe, Kent), and the Witley Camp (Aldershot, Surrey), resulting in Thomas becoming a Gunner, as well as a Signaller, with 8th Army Brigade, Canadian Field Artillery, CEF. This brigade provided artillery support to the 3rd & 4th Canadian Divisions in France and Flanders for the remainder of the war. After the war, Thomas returned to Canada via Halifax on 5 April 1919 with a severe case of bronchitis (contracted on the voyage), before returning to his old job at the telephone company in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada. A pity I can't upload some photos of him here.
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What a fine story of raw courage and patriotism.
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These men though tiny where mighty in deed!
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2 ай бұрын
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Another cracking story thank you. A family story is Jock T a miner joined the 18HLI after calling in sick at the local pit, he was wounded at Gilmerton? and twice more before then end, I was told his brother joined the BtL from the Glasgow Yeo but I don't know about that connection. We have lot of stories in the family lol I served 10 years myself. Please keep them coming
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My late father, stout and short, served in the Royal Navy. A great father, but feisty. He’d taught us, never start a fight but finish it, and should you lose, ensure they hurt more. A great piece of information. Choked-up at the many tragically lost in action as ‘cannon fodder’. Great men all. Lest we forget. 🇦🇺🦘👍
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I was in the Canadian Army (Infantry) during the 1970s. One of the toughest guys in my Company was a guy just a wee bit over 5 feet. He looked like he would fly off in a stiff breeze, but he carried the same pack and kit we did. I could just imagine what a whole Battalion of guys like him would be like. With his small stature, he was quite excellent at camouflage and concealment; he was invisible.
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Many thanks for this Sir. My Granddad enlisted into the 17th (Service) Battalion, Welsh Regiment (1st Glamorgan's). A signaler, his Battalion was all decimated at Bourlon Wood and were dissolved. He then joined the 18th (Service) Battalion, (2nd Glamorgan's) and was wounded in the 1918 Spring Offencive (Michael). Again his Battalion suffered huge loses. Granddad received his Honourable Discharge in December 1918. A really lovely Man. Many thanks again for helping to tell his war-time story. 9:09
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@MikeTaylor-zh9qk
2 ай бұрын
Have a look at 'No Bad Soldiers' (pub Helion 2022) for the history of 119 Brigade - including the 17th and 18th Welsh.
I always treated a small man with respect and I found i had a friend for life.Good job.
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Just imagine the Bantams facing the Prussian Guards. How would you feel fighting someone who is the same height as you nether region. That's one place you would not want to be attacked.
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2 ай бұрын
I am chuckling at the thought of the "Devil Dwarves" running at the Prussian Guards nether regions. I think the Guards would flee!
@user-ys8pq5vd3s
2 ай бұрын
They did face them and often beat them.
Height is a funny thing. My grandfather was 5'8" tall and, as he was over 5'7" was assigned to the artillery during War 1. He may have survived the war because he was artillery rather than infantry... or maybe not. In any event, he did return to Canada in 1919 and went on to sire my father. Now my father was only 5"2" tall.. but served with distinction during War 2 and in Korea as an infantry soldier . The other lads called him "Ti Rouge" which means "Little Red" (he served in a French Canadian unit, obviously).... apparently it was just partially about his reddish hair and more about his fierceness (so I was told by a man he served with). I'm his son... I served too... but I'm 5'10" (the product of a 5'2" father and 5'1" mother)... and I've a brother who is 6'1" and, more recently, a daughter who is over 5'11"... my sons hover about my height.... though my wife is 5"4". Our height is a crap shoot.... it means very little in terms of who we are as individuals. Go Bantams!
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2 ай бұрын
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My maternal grandfather, a miner and just 5'-4" served until gassed and invalided out in 1917. A proud man that I wish I had got to know better. A truly amazing documentary with so much color and detail
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Great story. The movie screenplay almost writes itself. Why on earth has no-one made a film about this?
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My Glasgow family said the Germans called the Scot’s bantams the poison dwarfs , perhaps a twisting of your story, who knows
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Good morning, Chris, I was initially gob smacked about how many men volunteered. But I have been reading up about the Home Guard and how many volunteered in the first few days of the announcement on the formation of Local Defence Volunteers or LDV. I had a laugh at how hard the bantams fought. It reminded me of the chap who was in my intake when I joined the army 40years ago. He was the shortest chap in the platoon, also left-handed and Tasmanian. But was a boxing champion in the bantam class. Our Bombardier found out the hard way how tough he was. Thanks again for another brilliant telling. I will have to play catch up as I missed a couple of episodes. Cheers
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Absolutely brilliant, thanks. It's stories like this that make me wish I was a film director.
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Charley's war! - anyone else first hear of them there?
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Thank you so much. I had never heard of these amazing, brave men!
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I find it surprising they had any height requirements when the need for men was so high, especially in a time of terrible pollution and diet which would have stunted the growth of otherwise perfectly healthy men, especially in the heavily industrialised northern towns and cities.
@ednigma6526
2 ай бұрын
As explained in the video, the minimum height requirement was only introduced as an artificial brake, of sorts, on the numbers of men eligible to sign-up, because the administrative systems could not keep-up with the great volume of otherwise- acceptable applicants.
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I remember reading about this group of men. Thank you for sharing.😊
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That was fantastic Chris loved this true old school grit something that the young ones are missing I know I'm going off a bit but we should bring back national service back, we need some old school pride maners and discipline and not entitlement Sorry in advanced
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These men were not short; they were vertically-efficient.
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I've never heard of these units. More good work from Chris.
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Those lads had a cart blanche to avoid the worst slaughter of young men in history by that point and still found way to go and die for their masters. It is sort of sad. I'm 6 ft but i would have escaped to Argentina come august 1914😅 My grand grandfather was mobilized in 3 wars, 1912- 1918 serving in first and second balkan wars and then the great war. Bullets seem to miss that man, its a family history how he was never ever injured in six years of war. Then he went abroad sick and tired of all the soldiering.
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A fascinating story, well told - nice work sir! I came across the bantams by accident 18 months ago and since then I've devoured anything and everything I can find on them. Theirs is an incredible story. As you say, they were all volunteers. They could have stayed safely at home saying, 'I'd have gone, you know, but I was too short...' but they didn't. They signed up in their thousands. At the time, a report by The Royal Sanitary Institute (I think it was them!) extolled the virtues of the smaller soldier, citing, amongst other advantages, their lower risk from snipers, lesser need for food and clothing and greater fighting spirit! I was so inspired by the bantam story I wrote a play, 'The Last Bantam' and brought it up to the Edinburgh Fringe last year. It went down a storm and I got some lovely reviews. While most people have never heard of the bantams, there is, I feel, a growing interest in the Great War (courtesy perhaps of '1917' and 'All quiet on the Western Front'), and I met several people after my show whose grandfathers were bantams. Keep up the good work!
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There's one officer that would have fit right in had he not been found useful elsewhere - TE Lawrence. PS In the American Civil War, men who might not be fit for combat were nonetheless recruited for limited service - the Invalid Corps. When they had to hold a fort near Washington, an overconfident Confederate officer warned they commandant his men would surely run. The Union CO replied, "My men are crippled. They CAN'T run". And they didn't. They also held the fort. Brothers in arms. PPS I bought my wife (partly of Scots descent) and one for my sister. Great gift.
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Fascinating, thanks for showing it.
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Ай бұрын
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Thanks for this Chris
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Great story that needed to be told. Thank you. Lest we forget.
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Chris, thank you for making the point that Highland Titles does not grant one a real title since all titles are the gift of the King and are not 'for sale'.
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2 ай бұрын
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2 ай бұрын
@@TheHistoryChap, yes, but up until recently they pretended that they were selling the actual titles of Lord, Lady, and Laird.
Great story! Thanks
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Thanks for another great video and for mentioning Durham... Durham Light Infantry my home town
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The establishment of the Bantam Battalions led to the introduction of the Bantam SMLE Rifle Buttstock ( originally Short, Medium and Long) to accomodate different Soldier Heights. These days, surviving "B" marked Butt stocks on WWI SMLE Rifles are rare, due to Post WWI refurbishments to S, M, and L sizes.
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Great and gritty stuff, my friend. Well done, yet again. Twain's quote was well proven.
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brilliant as always chris.
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Absolutely DAMN RIGHT you totally are, Chris old chap, that the story of these absolutely brave, daring and exceedingly heroic Devil Dwarves for men amongst our fighting soldiers of the Great War/WWI should never be forgotten. Cos once again, you have given me SUCH a history lesson I never ever knew about until only today, you really are SUCH the man on here to give us incredible British military history lessons no one else in here hasn’t given yet as far as I know. My golly, did one single miner cause quite the movement I bet even he couldnt’ve fathomed 😆😆😆
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Great episode 👏
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Another great vid!! I remember in Battle comic in late seventies early eighties there was a strip called Charley’s War. Set in WW1 I remember a character from The Bantams making an appearance. Great stories in that publication. 👍
@chrismorel8613
2 ай бұрын
I picked up the complete hardback collection at forbidden planet a couple years back for a tenner! Best money I've spent - amazing story.
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Great Episode
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As a former British infantryman of 5 foot 2, I can honestly say that some of the toughest buggers around are not all 6 foot plus bods.
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2 ай бұрын
@TheHistoryChap had I been around and old enough at that time, I would have been put into the Cheshire Bantams battalion.
Very well done!.
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Thanks for the arrow at 18:57, really cleared it up who you were talking about 😄
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2 ай бұрын
It could have been a random bantam couldn’t it?
Being a bit altitude challenged by todays standards I loved this one. Nice job!
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Another great video Chris. Thanks and please keep them coming. I remember my Great Uncle talking about Bantums when I was a child. I knew he kept chickens but ,as a 7 or 8 year old, didn't realise he ment soldiers. I did know, via Victor and Battle Action comics, that there were mining copmanys. Do you read Charlie's war?
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Great story, great history!
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I served in the South African Defence Force in 1989/90, in D Squadron at School of Armour. Our rivals were B Squadron, who were the taller recruits. For some reason, B Squadron were assigned to armoured cars like the little Eland 90, or Noddy car, as we called them. D Squadron were sent to the roomier tanks. Seeing the tall B Squadron crew commanders sticking out of their hatches was quite funny, and how they got into the drivers compartment is beyond me.
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Great story, thanks.
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It's a fascinating story. Short-heighted aspirants show more enthusiasm as compared to tall candidates. Government made a right decision to lower the requirement.
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Hi Chris, Really great story. Respect to all those men who volunteered. And those that came back from abroad to serve too. I listened using subtitles,.ok read, in the breaks between the easter prosessions. They came out perfectly I didnt see any obvious errors, do you check it? All the best!!
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When I was 18 years old in US Navy and living in Dunoon Scotland I was homesick and when I turned 19 I had the choice to stay in Scotland or go to Charleston SC. When I got to SC my thought was this place SUCKS I wish I stayed in Scotland.
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What a great theme indeed, did not knew about this Batam Battalions chaps, thanks for sharing.
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Golden opportunity to avoid the horrors of the front ,but not how they thought in those days
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Hi Chris. I’d love to hear you do a video on Operation Chariot; the Royal Navy and Commandos raid on the port of St Nazaire during WW2.
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Thank you Chris great video. Being of the Shorter stature I have always had a bit of a "Napoleon Complex" but after hearing of these Pint Sized Heroes I won't be quite so bothered about my lack of height!
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Nice one Chris 🙂
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Lee Enfield rifles could be fitted with 4 different length stocks. The standard or normal stocks were to the best of my knowledge unmarked. A half inch longer one was available marked L. A half inch shorter one was marked S. A one inch shorter one was marked with a B, presumably for Bantam.
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The Lofty comparison is a very accurate one.
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What an amazing story you told Chris, I really enjoyed it and found it fascinating to learn the history of the Bantam battalions. I was just wondering if there was any effort to make any kind of Memorial to recognize their contributions civil war effort in the UK? I can just see that minerr now, plucking away and then challenging all comers! 😂Muy bien, amigo.
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Hi Harry, not sure that there is a specific memorial to the Bantams. I know there is a plaque in Birkenhead to their battalions. I guess, individual regiments memorials will reflect the bantam battalions within them.
A very interesting video. I didn't know that Bernard Montgomery had served in a Bantam Brigade. As you said, not a bad idea while there was a supply of tough small men from industry but losses couldn't be sustained, a bit like Churchill's Naval Division which by 1916 had a Brigade of 'normal' infantry. I read about Pinney who gets a mention in someone's memoirs. As this is a family show I won't repeat what the troops thought about the lack of rum. I've always thought it is rather a ppor show that most of the patriotic public figures who raised units didn't serve with them unlike the American Civil War where it was quite common for the leading figures to be officers in tghe units they raised.
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The sitcom “It Ain’t Half Hot, Mum” featured Gunner “Lofty” Sugden, who was shorter than his comrades.
@TheHistoryChap
2 ай бұрын
Wait for it...wait for it....
@carlbirtles4518
2 ай бұрын
@@TheHistoryChap Although, Lofty said he was wearing the pith helmet on medical grounds.
@formwiz7096
2 ай бұрын
Any relation to Mollie?
Fascinating. Question: did Germany have similar groups? Request a video on groups excluded from recruitment such as miners. Great video as always, thanks.
@iriscollins7583
2 ай бұрын
Miners were not excluded from being conscripted, strangely. They were replaced by middle class young men. It's not what you know, it's who you know. 🙄🥺
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2 ай бұрын
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2 ай бұрын
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I enjoyed the dad's army characters videos and I found myself watching Blackadder, wondering what the stories behind these characters with general melchet winning the VC and DSO as well as a vast array of other medals. Would love to see a video on this. Keep up the great work 👍
@TheHistoryChap
Ай бұрын
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I am genetically modelled to be a Durham miner, joined up into the army as a junior soldier at age 16 and 5'3" , later to reach the dizzy heights of 5'5" , on attending the QM's for issue of uniform I was asked what size boots, I was a size 5 (uk) was given size 7 and ordered to grow into them. Now age 62 after 23 years service and still just size 6.
@TheHistoryChap
2 ай бұрын
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Great video and presentation Chris, up to your usual high standard. You mentioned the Hindenburg Line that the Bantams fought at.... So I was wondering, with the movie Before Dawn about to be released, and ANZAC day fast approaching, could you find it in you to do a video about the Australian involvement at the Hindenburg Line?
@TheHistoryChap
2 ай бұрын
Great idea Darren. Let me see what I can do.
Chris my man, you brought it again interesting, funny and informative, thanks for that! Bantam is a nice sort of tobacco too . Only the British would name soldiers after a chicken, love this humor. In my very youth we were used to be to saying Beware of the shorts because they're hard as nails in the time of some bar brawls...The battle of the Somme was a horrible action anyway. Wish you all the best Lord Green 😅 Ludwig. We're not having the tradition of cockfighting...
@TheHistoryChap
2 ай бұрын
Ludwig, thanks for taking the time to comment and I am glad you enjoy the irony of British humour! Have a great Easter.
@ludwigderzanker9767
2 ай бұрын
@@TheHistoryChap German and English are the only languages which take Luthers translation, all of the others use still passa...thanks for the replica
@ludwigderzanker9767
2 ай бұрын
answer I mean
Lovely story! I can see the height of the firing step would be a problem in a mixed regiment.
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2 ай бұрын
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My Grandfather was not allowed into the AIF due to his height and he carried that bitter shame his whole life. He was incredibly fit as well....
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2 ай бұрын
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Thanks for that Chris. I'd never heard of the Bantam Battalions before. 30,000 brave little men who wanted to ' Do their bit' British pluck at its best.
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2 ай бұрын
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I used to have a Banty Rooster . Sucker was short but smart. I trained him to scratch out a Tic Tack Toe thing on the ground. He won me a lot of money until he got smashed by an oil barrel
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2 ай бұрын
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A new meaning to “short kings”
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2 ай бұрын
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I left the Australian Army in 1997. At 5'6", i was the shortest in my company. Big blokes make good targets.
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2 ай бұрын
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‘Other Ranks’ Chris, not Ordinary Ranks (unless WWI was different). PS my grandfather was 5’1”, at the Battle of Cambrai which I’d assumed was a regular battalion of the Beds & Herts.. I’d never considered his height before now 🤔. Fascinating stuff, thanks
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2 ай бұрын
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Perhaps something on the "Shot at Dawn" such a waste many of whom were suffering from PTSD probably.
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2 ай бұрын
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16:36 “lovely boy, lovely boy!”
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2 ай бұрын
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Chris well done! Thank you sir!
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2 ай бұрын
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l never hard this story thanks
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2 ай бұрын
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Nice detail that the inclusion of small men was championed by an MP called Bigland.
@TheHistoryChap
Ай бұрын
I hadn’t made that connection with his name 😄
At 6ft 3 with a big frame to match I always said it has perhaps kept me out of many fights as many would have seen me as a potential bad move but I also said in the event of war when the bullets were flying I would rather be a 5 ft wiry fellow and less of a target .
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2 ай бұрын
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Excellent piece of history.
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2 ай бұрын
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intersting video . Any from Wales?
@TheHistoryChap
2 ай бұрын
Yes, there were 4 battalions. They did get a mention in the video.
Excellent..Cpl.Thridgould came to live in my home state, I wonder which city?...
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2 ай бұрын
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I have an unrelated question - subject for a future episode James Clavell - Now I know he was born in Australia but I have been intrigued what would motivate a victim of Japanese brutality to write such a series as Shogun. I have been a fan of his writing after reading King Rat about a million years ago and was amazed at the depth of study he must have done to write the Shogun series. I can't imagine that Changi Prison in WWII would cast the Japanese in a favourable light and wonder what set him on his writing path. I don't know if he would be a good subject for an episode or not but it is a subject that interests me. Thanks for your excellent presentations I have never seen you do a bad one and your passion for the subject is clear to any viewer. Cheers Tony
@TheHistoryChap
10 күн бұрын
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Can you imagine the controversy such an action would start today? Just a thought, personally I think it's a great idea. Kinda! ✌️ Thx. for the interesting ' little ' bit of history...👍
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2 ай бұрын
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Do you know what, I am a former serving British soldier who, in my youth was fascinated by military trivia along with the usual stories behind famous battles and not so famous raids etc but even though I had heard of Bantam units in the great war but I was unaware of how many let's call them. ' vertically challenged ' young men volunteered to fight, men had a different set of values back then, these days if there was a call to arms the majority of today's lads would be looking for a way OUT of being recruited into the forces nevermind going out of there way and having to fight red tape to get IN to the armed forces. How times change.
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Ай бұрын
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What a hideous price, those unfortunately named "Pal's Battalions" would pay, once they had faced their first few engagements. Absolutely appalling!!
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2 ай бұрын
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Hello. How about do a video about Harry (Breaker) Morant?. He was born in Somerset and fought during the Boer War, in which he was Court Marshalled and executed.
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Ай бұрын
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It's a great big pity what happened to the men of those battalions. However, in war, at the end of the day, it's the willingness to fight that matters the most.
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Ай бұрын
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My Grandad was in the Bantoms. He was captured on the somme.
@TheHistoryChap
2 ай бұрын
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