As an American, I think the (roughly paraphrasing here) saying that “The Canadians know they won, the Americans think they won, the British don’t remember it, and the Native Americans lost” is the best way to sum up the War of 1812

@owenmccord5078

3 жыл бұрын

#notallamericans

@YazzPott

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, this is accurate!

@oriffel

3 жыл бұрын

I like this explanation.

@daniellastuart3145

3 жыл бұрын

The war was a land grab by the USA it failed Result Canada became closer the the UK they independence started in 1867 on interesting fact they were lest casualty on both sides in 2 years of war than in any one of the big Napoleonic battles in the European mainland

@MissionHomeowner

3 жыл бұрын

Canada's actual independence was 1982

Just a quick point... New Brunswick is not a town, it's a province. At the time of its creation, it was a colony created out of the already existing colony of Nova Scotia.

@marcgauthier6894

3 жыл бұрын

I was just going to point that out (as I was born and raised there).

@odysseus2656

3 жыл бұрын

Well, if I remember my history correctly Nova Scotia and New Brunswick was the French colony of Acadia, and the term "Acadians" devolved into "Cajun," because the French living there were deported and ended up in New Orleans. The British first got Prince Edward Island and Cape Breton Island as a colony. Then it got all of Acadia about 1743, because of unrest the French were deported and some time over the next 60 years Acadia broke into two and Cape Breton Island was made part of Nova Scotia.

@sharkbaII

6 ай бұрын

He means that New Brunswick was a town at the time

Canadians: the war we won yay. US yanks: the war we won hurray. Native americans: yet another doomed war for us. Brits: war with yanks in canada? I don't rememb... ohh right that is the war where we burned their bloody white house down?

@mankytoes

3 жыл бұрын

I wonder how invested British people were even at the time, considering what a massive threat Napoleon was?

" In this country you can say what you like, because no one will listen to you anyway!..." Renowned Canadian author Margaret Atwood in 1981

@micahistory

3 жыл бұрын

actually you can't say what you want, our prime minister is trying to censor youtube now

@alexanderkarayannis6425

3 жыл бұрын

@@micahistory Many things have changed in Canada since 1981... Apparently the last name of the PM is not one of them!...Hmmmmm!🤔

@micahistory

3 жыл бұрын

@@alexanderkarayannis6425 yes lol

@G-Mastah-Fash

3 жыл бұрын

@@alexanderkarayannis6425 His last name should probably be Castro anyway so it's alright.

@UberOtaku001

2 жыл бұрын

@@G-Mastah-Fash that was always one of the stupider conspiracy theories

I can't believe that the Dutch were mentioned (3:48) with no musical accompaniment! 😮🥺 Who are you, and what have you done with Hilbert?!

@ocramdouwstra8494

3 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/lKCatsaqkdaZoMo.html Here you go!

@Amcsae

3 жыл бұрын

@@ocramdouwstra8494 Not the clip he usually uses, but I imagine he'd approve! 😉

This has been the most in-depth video on the war of 1812 I’ve seen. I especially like the homage made to French, Anglo, Black, and Native Canadian cooperation. This is to say, YES we want a video about the Native perspectives in this time period!

@PaulRGauthier

5 ай бұрын

Check out the doc it's based on. Also, check out Canada: A People's History.

we canadians are very proud of this war, back in 2012, I remember there were many exhibitions about it

@amandabeaty1492

3 жыл бұрын

An American friend of mine came to visit me in 2012 and she asked me what all the 1812 banners hanging on the streetlights were about. I told her it was the centennial anniversary for the war of 1812. And she said, what's that?! I told her it was when America tried to invade Canada but Canada got the jump on them and we burnt down the Whitehouse instead. It's used to very quietly celebrate the fact that we're not American.

@johnhughes9878

3 жыл бұрын

@@amandabeaty1492 Well, not exactly. The British burned the white house in retaliation for the American forces having burned down York, aka present day Toronto.

@MissionHomeowner

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnhughes9878 We burned down the White House. Canada was British and ruled from London. The British armed forces were our armed forces. WE, not THEY.

@TheIceman567

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnhughes9878 true

@micahistory

3 жыл бұрын

@@amandabeaty1492 yes

"If some countries have too much history, WE have too much...geography!"...Canadian PM Mackenzie King back in 1936, speaking in the House of Commons on the difficulty of governing a country as big as Canada, second biggest country in the world after Russia, and even after the breakup of the Soviet Union!...😁

@jamespettigrew7026

3 жыл бұрын

The thing is; nobody lives in most of Canada's very inhospitable Northern lands.

@alexanderkarayannis6425

3 жыл бұрын

@@jamespettigrew7026 The thing is; who would want to!....

@alexanderkarayannis6425

3 жыл бұрын

"...Most of us are still huddled tight to the border, looking into the candy store window, scared by the Americans on one side and the bush on the other".... Canadian writer Mordechai Richler in 1989

@jk-gb4et

3 жыл бұрын

@@jamespettigrew7026 It is still difficult to govern a country that big because the population is all stretched out over a very very long strip near the border

@jamespettigrew7026

3 жыл бұрын

@@jk-gb4et I've forgotten the exact percentage, but it was really high like 90 to 95 percent of Canada's population lives withing 100 miles from the U.S. border. I thought it was because of the nearly year long extreme cold.

A lot of Canadians are very proud of the war. I remember doing four papers about it, which was a huge part of my grade in a history course.

@IAmGlutton4Life

3 жыл бұрын

I find that interesting as an American because I think most Americans see the War of 1812 as a war between Britain and America

@gre3nishsinx0Rgold4

3 жыл бұрын

@@IAmGlutton4Life I know what you mean mate. But it's kind of true in some way. I broke it down to three parts in my old essays. First part is defense by mostly Canadians. Pushing back multiple invasions. Just back and forth American-Canadian border war. Second part is when Britain joins in. After beating Napoleon, they went "Oh that's right. Crap in North America is going down". They then send in much needed reinforcements, and with manpower problem solved. A combined force of Canadian and British troops burned down the white house. And the last part is Britain alone peaceing out with the US, without telling the Canadians. The treaty took a while to get to the continent and the US took one last small win before all sides learned it's over. The last part upset some Canadians back then. Even today some if not all Canadians (except in the govt) find Britain or the UK annoying. Everyone is nice but if you ever seen someone trying their best to hide their "annoyed face". That's what many Canadians would do, whenever Britain comes up.

@PaulRGauthier

5 ай бұрын

@tton4Life That's not how we see it. The OP is absolutely correct. The War or 1812 is a big part of our national mythology. For one thing, Americans think they were only fighting the British, but we know about the huge role played by local Canadian militias in the war. We also know about our Indigenous allies. You'se all lionise Tecumseh, but we remember that he fought on OUR side. And some of us remember how the Brits screwed him... And the war plays right into our struggle to maintain an independent and distinct identity from our American neighbors.

Fun fact in Quebec we are habs and the Montreal hockey team is the habs it’s comes from what the French still living in France called us les habitants , it was actually ment to be rude as we where seen as low class , but in our normal form we just took that in passing 😂

This period of North American history is fascinating 🧐

@historywithhilbert146

3 жыл бұрын

I completely agree!

@HistoryNerd1814

2 жыл бұрын

If interested there are reenactments usually in the summer throughout Canada and the us on the war of 1812 and also reenacting group's involved in the hobby

@flare3606

2 жыл бұрын

wow

@bukka6697

Жыл бұрын

@@HistoryNerd1814 Depending where you go to see the re-enactment, a different side will win!! xD

Thinking of the war of 1812 as being the Canadians 'fighting for the British' is naive to the modern meaning of the war. The French and Indians weren't pro-British, they simply were not American and cared enough about it to fight for it. The reason it's symbolically important is that was the key moment of distinction where the North American continent split into two countries and not one, there was the United States of America and then this 'other' peoples in the north from mainly two origins who would come together and fight for their shared goal. It is clearly an important war for the development of a unique Canadian identity and therefore I think the title of the war as a sort of 'war of independence is justified.

@perciblejames268

3 жыл бұрын

I disagree most if not all Aboriginals within upper and lower Canada were just as loyal if not more loyal than the settlers. This is because many of them were refugees and were forced out by the Americans. Sure some Aboriginal nations like those that occupied the Ohio region were not as pro British as those living in Canada but they still saw the British as being a better alternative because of the Royal Proclamation. It is important to realize that the Aboriginal people did not align themselves to just one ideology instead they aligned themselves with various different beliefs and ideas of how they should go about.

@tommurphy3190

Жыл бұрын

I think it would be more accurate to say that the British had demonstrated that they would preserve French language and culture in Canada, as enshrined in the British North America (Quebec) Act 1774. In contrast, the Louisiana Purchase in 1803 contained no provisions for respecting the language and culture of those former French citizens who had become Americans by fait accompli. The Canadiens had no reason to believe that the Americans would respect their French way of life, so they sided with the British who had proved that they would.

You kept on saying that the native Americans helped defeat the "British" when you meant that they helped defeat the "Americans" @18:29 19:11 19:17

@makouras

3 жыл бұрын

That's pop culture for you, Americans are never defeated :P

@User91459

3 жыл бұрын

@@makouras vietnam would like to counter that

@Colon-D...

2 жыл бұрын

@@User91459 America won in vietnam.

@User91459

2 жыл бұрын

@@Colon-D... huh how did they didnt the vietcong capture saigon in 1975 and created the communist government which still runs the country also its widely known that vietnam was a failure maybe you thought about korea

@Colon-D...

2 жыл бұрын

@@User91459 I may be wrong but from memory I recall that Vietcong officers remarked that if the US had stayed for a few more months they would've just given up. Take that with a pound of salt since memory is unreliable. But the Tet offensive was a military success in terms of military gains. The issue was television of combat and casualties. Such stuff that didn't happen in Korea. By 1990 the old government was completely replaced by communist reformers who encouraged Private Ownership of Farmland.

Ok, so a couple of things, the war of 1812 has always fascinated me more than the American War of Independence, especially when seeing the Canadian side. Second, I saw you on the Ongezellig comments.

@paranoidrodent

3 жыл бұрын

It plays a much greater role in Canadian history, especially in Ontario's history (and to a lesser degree Quebec's), than it does in American history particularly when it comes to national myths. From the American point of view, the War of 1812 seems to often be portrayed as an affirmation of American independence. The expansionist side of the war seems to be less emphasized there than it is in Canadian schools. From the Canadian perspective, it's one of the foundational moments in our national identity because it ensured we'd evolve to be something different from the US. That "stalemate" outcome kept the revolutionary and loyalist/French colonial populations evolving apart, albeit as neighbours. Although at the time the colonists undoubtedly perceived their goals as simply "remaining British" or "not being invaded again" (in the French Canadian case), peace after the War of 1812 was the point where absorption into the US ceased to be an active military threat to Canada (although the perception of possible threat continued throughout the 19th century). It didn't birth the modern country but it created the conditions that allowed it to happen in the future. Viewing each other as actual allies took another century or so. The friendship really gelled after Canada gained control over its own foreign and defense policy in 1931 and the risk of Canada getting dragged into any Anglo-American disputes (still a real possibility as late as the 1920s - concerns about that rivalry helped drive the Washington Naval Treaty) ceased to be a real concern. Our strong collaboration in WW2 and afterwards kind of sealed the friendship, with the Suez Crisis probably being the key turning point when Canada opted to align mostly with the US position rather than the UK one.

@texxon3355

3 жыл бұрын

@@paranoidrodent Hmm, I wonder what it must’ve been like for the border people on both areas, how did they see each other?

In Ohio, we have a history class in primary school called "Ohio History" in which we spend the entire year going from Ohio's birth in 1803 to about the 1940's after WW2. We extensively talk about the Battle of Fallen Timbers, which forced the British Canadians and Native Americans out of Ohio, and the War of 1812, as Fort Meigs and Fort Stevenson were in Northern Ohio, and still to this day we have a huge pillar called Perry's Monument commemorating Commodore Perry's decisive victory against the British Canadians in the Battle of Lake Erie. If you want to visit, it's interesting and fun to take the 40min ferry ride from Catawba Island to Put-in-Bay.

What other war could they have had in 1812? Here in the US we call it The War of Maple Syrup Aggression.

The Australian war of independence is played on the cricket field against England every couple of years.

If any war was the Canadian War of Independence, it was the First World War. In typically Canadian fashion, we won that independence by fighting alongside the country we won it from. Canada went to war as a colony, with no say in the matter, but ended the war with a separate seat at the big nation's table, signing the Treaty of Versailles as an independent power. While the idea of a united Canada may have begun at Chateauguay, Lundy's Lane and Crysler's Farm, Canadian independence was created at Ypres, Hill 70, Passchendaele, and Vimy Ridge.

@Swift-mr5zi

3 жыл бұрын

Beautifully articulated

@PaulRGauthier

5 ай бұрын

Yeah, committing heinous war crimes is oh so Canadian...... I say that cynically, but not ironically.

I had a teacher at OCS that said if the leadership says it will be easy, you should really worry. He used the War of 1812 as the primary example.

9:17 The early relationship between the USA and France was far more turbulent than described in the video. At the end of the American War of Independence, the USA angered and alienated France by making a separate peace with the British in return for a western border of the Mississippi River (the French wanted the US western border to be the Appalachian Mountains). After the French Revolution, the USA reneged on its debt to France by claiming that the money was a personal loan from King Louis and since the king was dead, the debt was null and void. The refusal of the USA to pay its debts to France led to the XYZ Affair and the Quasi-War of 1798-1800 in which the USA and France fought an undeclared maritime war. Napoleon repaired relations between the USA and France by stopping French harassment of US shipping and selling Louisiana to the USA at a bargain price.

@frankanderson5012

3 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same. One the reasons for the French Revolution was France was largely broke after its expense in supporting the Americans then hoping they would make it up in trade with them. This didn’t exactly happen as the Americans traded with the British. They were basically screwed over.

@slossboss

2 жыл бұрын

Which he then used the money to fund his war with Great Britain which ended up getting America to fight Britain (mostly Canada) in 1812. All things come in a full circle.

Chateauguay is pronounced sha-toh-gay, not sha-toh-gway (the English phonetic version is essentially just the French word with some English lexical stress added to the first syllable and the resulting weakening of the other vowels). Also, as other have noted New Brunswick was a new colony apart from Canada and it was formed out of the part of New France called Acadia, which was to the east of the French colony of Canada. The bulk of the Loyalists in the two Canadas were in Upper Canada (what is today Ontario) and a smaller number in the urban centres (esp. Montreal) and the Eastern Townships of Quebec (today the region of l'Estrie - the part that lies roughly just north of Vermont). A large number of Loyalists also ended up in New Brunswick and Nova Scotia but these colonies were not a part of Canada until 1867.

Another factor in the American decision to go to war that often goes very overlooked is the Chesapeake incident. The reaction to it was similar to that of the sinking of the Maine. The difference being that the Chesapeake incident wasn't a false flag.

@katharinelong5472

3 жыл бұрын

Pretty sure the Maine explosion was an accident, not a false flag.

@compatriot852

3 жыл бұрын

Considering how unreliable and dangerous those ships were, it probably was an accident

The war of 1812 in North America was also known as the Blunder's War, as so many mistakes were made by both sides, they could make a comedy out of it.

Having learned about this as an adult, I'm disappointed in what I learned in school about the War of 1812. We didn't learn that it had anything to do with Canada, or that America started it opportunistically.

@RealMacJones

Жыл бұрын

That's because it didn't have anything to do with "Canada". Canada didn't exist, it was a vast, sparsely populated territory, ruled over by Britain. America had beef with Britain, so they invaded British territory. The only thing it has to do with Canada is that some of the battles were fought on the land that eventually became Canada.

@PaulRGauthier

5 ай бұрын

@cJones You're literally wrong. Yes, Canada was still technically a colony but Canadians by that time had a distinct identity and a large degree of self-governing autonomy. We even had a name -- as reflected in the provinces of Upper and Lower Canada. And try telling the people who lived besided the St Laurence and the Great Lakes that they lived in a "sparsely populated territory...." But you keep on believing your American cultural imperialist propaganda. Your ignorance will be your shield, as is usual for Yankees.

@JoelAdamson

5 ай бұрын

@@RealMacJones Right, and we didn't learn any of that in school. None of what you said has anything to do with my comment.

As an American I can conform we have no beef with Canada and after all we have to the aid to each other time and time again

@lincolnlog5977

2 жыл бұрын

Speak for yourself 🇨🇦=🤢👎

Still waiting on that Shropshire video hilby. I will always be waiting

Support the thin red line! Rally to the King!

@markanderson3870

3 жыл бұрын

Huzzah!

Thanks for a great presentation. Cheers from Vancouver.

You've done a very good job there - yes, a little meandering (as you admit), but balanced and comprehensive for such a short video. I know the events precede all this by over 50 years, but for some reason I couldn't get the image of "The Death of General Wolfe" from my mind (the painting featured prominently in a rather jingoistic history book of my mothers I read as a child that dates from the 1960s). If you do read this, please keep up the good work. I only occasionally dip into your channel, but I'm always glad I did and it reminds me I must do it more often. Best wishes from an Irishman, in London, across the Noordzee.

Would be really interested in more on the Beaver Wars and more in-depth stuff on Canada also.

A dark time in the War of 1812 in Canada was the "Bloody Anize" in Ancaster in 1813 when the British feeling pressured on the brink of defeat decided to hang about a dozen locals for Giving Shelter to American scouts and deserters. It was likely they were relatives or Masons and required to do so by custom. They recently found a pile of skulls without bodies near Dundas dating from the time. It was a Low point for even the British who were shipping Canada'ss farm produce abroad to feed the troops in Europe and starving here at home. Most of the beef supplied to the British Army came from Americans glad to receive gold for their cattle.

@OverlordofCanada

2 жыл бұрын

I don't care if it's your "custom" to give aid to the enemy, still makes them traitors

I would have taken more time to explain what was Canada in 1812 and what were the other British colonies in North America at the time. For the rest, pretty accurate and concise.

The natives who started fighting with the British had actually moved from the south because the Americans had already had a short war with them when they'd tried to make a tribal coalition to retain and protect their lands. It was totally separate from the beaver wars and its a shame that you didn't look at the past of the natives leader Tecumseh you mentioned. The natives and especially Tecumseh liked Brock and trusted him and he also fought for them. When he died they lost the one man who was truly fighting for the natives rights and its interesting to think about what the treatment of the natives after might have been like if he'd survived.

Ultra fascinating.

I like your work

the native americans actually still have a lot of power here in Canada mostly in Manitoba and Nunavut. But also in Quénec and northern Ontario.

Also, the USA was divided. The state of Connecticut passed a law saying that it would secede from the Union IF peace with the British was not made within a few months. Yes, Connecticut was the first state to secede, NOT South Carolina.

@Swift-mr5zi

3 жыл бұрын

As an English person Connecticut is now my favourite state

@beezelsub

2 жыл бұрын

Didn't formally do it though

Ahh the war with no winners.

@Ozzy_2014

3 жыл бұрын

We burned the whitehouse down. I count that as a win.

@elijahmarshall9787

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ozzy_2014 oh no you burned someone's house down. How did America ever recuperate from this tragic event I will never know.

@elijahmarshall9787

3 жыл бұрын

@wulpurgis Who are "they". The only people I see bringing it up aren't American. If anything Americans seem not to care

@elijahmarshall9787

3 жыл бұрын

@wulpurgis what point are trying to get across exactly

@markanderson3870

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, no, Canada won. Well sort of Canada.

Yeah the War of 1812 and the French and Indian Wars arent as well known as the should be. Apart from the American Revolution and the Civil War, many people (especially americans) dont know about the many small to medium scale conflicts fought on the continent. Maybe some videos on the wars between the settlers and tribes of the 1600s or the spanish exploration of the continent between the 1500s and 1600s would be a cool idea. Regardless, keep up the good work and take care.

@AnthonyDuran

3 жыл бұрын

Same could be said about the Mexican-American and Spanish-American Wars.

@WaterShowsProd

3 жыл бұрын

I'd never even heard of The Philippines-American War until I visited a museum in Manilla. At the time The Philippines was a U.S. territory. Another thing that doesn't get explained well enough is that The American Independence War was actually a civil war and not a revolution. It's so ingrained, that this statement is often met with outrage.

@paranoidrodent

3 жыл бұрын

When I was in high school here in Canada, the Seven Years' War/French and Indian War (New France taken over by the British), the War of 1812 (Canada avoids becoming American, subsequent shift in British relations with indigenous communities) along with the 1837-1838 Rebellions (the catalyst for future Canadian self-governance - the rebellions were quashed but the rebels essentially got everything they wanted within a little over a decade, starting the ball slowly rolling towards gradual independence later) essentially played the same historical role as formative conflicts as the American Revolution and Civil War do in American schools. The Red River and Northwest Rebellions and the two world wars (esp. WW1) were also important in shaping the national consciousness.

23:10 "If anyone was defeated, it would be the Native Americans" Reminds me of that John Green line, "We now enter the period of 'it was great for everyone but the Poles'. When did that end? Oh 1989"

Great video and very accurate. This war also really helped the french Canadien keep preserving their language.

@TheIceman567

Жыл бұрын

Actually it’s not this video is garbage

Let's get something straight about slavery. Americans wanted it. Canadians didn't. An Act Against Slavery was legislated in Upper Canada, (Ontario), in 1793; the slave trade was outlawed under British rule; and, the few slaves that were in Canada were being freed eventually, long before it was abolished across the British Empire in 1834. Slavery in the United States was still legal in 1865.

For those really interested in this war, id highly recommend Pierre Burton's books 'The Invasion of Canada' and 'Flames Across the Boarder.' They use narrative history to really bring the conflict and major historical figures to life.

I feel like it was the entirely opposite. It was the canadians basically saying that they support the British

@Swift-mr5zi

3 жыл бұрын

Thinking of the war of 1812 as being the Canadians 'fighting for the British' is naive to the modern meaning of the war. The French and Indians weren't pro-British, they simply were not American and cared enough about it to fight for it. The reason it's symbolically important is that was the key moment of distinction where the North American continent split into two countries and not one, there was the United States of America and then this 'other' peoples in the north from mainly two origins who would come together and fight for their shared goal. It is clearly an important war for the development of a unique Canadian identity and therefore I think the title of the war as a sort of 'war of independence is justified.

@elijahmarshall9787

3 жыл бұрын

@Albert Fels Either way, saying they fought for "independence" seems a bit misleading. They fought to maintain the power and status of an autocracy from an expansionist republic.

@elijahmarshall9787

3 жыл бұрын

@Albert Fels What? I'm referring to the U.S. when I say republic, and Autocracy when I'm talking about the British

@jamespettigrew7026

3 жыл бұрын

@Albert Fels If Canada had been taken by the U.S. there would be States rather than Provinces, Canadians would have ended up fighting in both world wars at a later date as Americans, and when Americans forget that Canadians are not Americans and ask them who they voted for U.S. President, they could actually answer.

@elijahmarshall9787

3 жыл бұрын

@Albert Fels Dude, What are you on about? Having a king as head of state makes it a monarchy. There's also the fact that everything was still essentially ran by the English nobility. By all accounts Britain at the time was autocratic

For Tecumseh and his followers it absolutely was a war of independence--independence from European domination. Their goal was to create a country of combined Native tribes that would have the strength to stop American expansion. The death of Tecumseh in battle and the later abandonment by their British allies doomed their efforts.

So ...no word of the role played by the Hudson's Bay Company?

I like this mans thumbnails

I am still here waiting for the OAS video

I think you have to remember that Canada had an ok thing going with Britain for many years they did lots of trade together that benefited Britain and Canada and people often saw themselves as British descendants and relatively content with it and the Native Indians were more fearful of the US,and there wasn't the spark to push them over the edge like in the US where small grievances piled up over a short time

Hilbert: At this time, Canada was split into Upper and Lower Canada. Sad Maritime Noises

@paranoidrodent

3 жыл бұрын

To be fair, the Maritimes were completely separate colonies at the time (they joined Canada in 1867, 1873 for PEI) but unless I'm mistaken, the War of 1812 affected them too (as part of the Atlantic naval theatre rather than the Canadian land warfare theatre). That really should get covered better in Canadian history books. Much love to our eastern cousins! Stay safe!

@johnkilmartin5101

3 жыл бұрын

@@paranoidrodent actually a good portion of Maine was occupied for the duration of the war. The duties collected help fund the foundation of Dalhousie university. As well the New Brunswick Fencibles marched to Montreal during the winter of 1813.

Also remember that the British continued to occupy upstate NY, basically north of Albany, right up until about 1808, in violation of the Treaty of Paris of 1783. The US government was always protesting that that land was illegally occupied, and the British left because they needed the soldiers to fight Napoleon and were tryin to reduce tensions with the Americans.

Will you do a video on maori musket war?

What about a video about Geronimo? Would be awesome

thanks for talking aboot CANADA (MY HOME) we won the war of 1812 btw.

@TheIceman567

3 жыл бұрын

Not really

@bubba842

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheIceman567 well British North America, stopped an invasion of upper and lower Canada. America didn't achieve their aims of anexing upper and lower Canada. Kind of sounds like the Americans were beaten.

@TheIceman567

3 жыл бұрын

@@bubba842 well because it wasn’t the goal of the USA to annex Canada that’s an old war myth. The USA achieved every one if it’s goals. Gotta study. The natives were defeated impressment ended... doesn’t sound like a defeat at all to me 🤷‍♂️

@bubba842

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheIceman567 what goal did they achieve, please tell me. If losing thousands of men for no gain is a goal, then the idea of warfare has been turned on its head.

@TheIceman567

3 жыл бұрын

@@bubba842 I stated... ended British support for the natives ended impressment and restored trade. Sounds to me it was a gain even taking land West Florida and Carleton island. Helps to study kid.

I'm from Niagara Region on we have a lot of the 1812 battlefields here locally. And my military unit was also in the war of 1812. The Canadians wouldn't of been able to push the Americans out if it wasn't for the militia

War of 1812 I perfer to call it the Canuck Kerfuffle

When I started watching this video it was just 18:12 (6:12 PM) lol

20:17 - Hilbert you should have used the '3 Lions' of England here juxtaposed with fleur de lys - the cross looks tacky as fk

this was the war that united us and made us into the country that we are today

Every Canadian kid has grown up hearing this song. I can still recite it by heart. ooooh come back proud Canadians To before you had TV No hockey night in canada! There was no CBC (oh my god) In 1812 Maddison was mad He was the president you know well he thought he'd tell the British Where they aught to go He thought he'd invade canada He thought that he was tough Instead we went to washingon... And burned down all his stuff [chorus] And the white house burned burned burned And we're the ones that did it It burned burned burned while the president ran and cried It burned burned burned And things were very historical and the americans ran and cried like a bunch of little babies wah wah wah! In the war of 1812 Them Hillbillies from Kentucky Dressed in green and red Left home to fight in Canada But they returned home dead Its the only war the Yankees lost Except for Vietnam And also the alamo and the bay of... Ham The loser was america the winner was ourselves so join right in and gloat about the war of 1812 [chorus] In 1812 we were just sittin around Mindin our own business Puttin crops into the ground we heard the soldiers coming and we didnt like that sound so we took a boat to washington and burned it to the ground ooooh we fired our guns but the yankees kept-a-comin There wasn't quite as many as there was a while ago we fired once more and the yankees started runnin Down the mississippi to the gulf of mexico-oo-oo-oo-oo-oo-ooo They ran through the snow and they ran through the forest They ran through the bushes where the beavers wouldnt go The ran so fast they forgot to take their culture Back to America and the gulf of mexico-oo-oo-ooo so if you go to washington its buildings clean and nice bring a pack of matches and we'll burn the white house twice and the whitehouse burned burned burned but the americans wont admit it it burned burned burned it burned it burned it burned it burned burned burned how that made them mad and the americans ran and cried like a bunch of little babies wah wah wah in the war of 1812

Thank you for pointing out that the US wanted to annex canada. Somehow, many americans claim this wasnt a reason for war despite it being the main one by far.

Where........ Where is "Het Wilhelmus"? Sad Dutch noises

After the War of 1812 ended any serious talk in America of rejoining the British Empire. It cemented American independence

Basically by 1814 the USA swept the British and Canadians from the Great Lakes and the British controlled the Atlantic seaboard, so even though the Duke of Wellington was asked to conquer the USA, he refused, saying Britain would never hold it so peace was made.

I came across some lines from an old history of the Greek War of independece (1821-1830) that mention Canada. The historian wrote them to give an example regarding the policy of neutrality by a protectorate of Britain(*) towards the revolutionary cause: "It must be noted that the british-ionian government did not command the Greeks of the Heptanese not to take part in the hellenic struggle, but warned them that such behaviour would deprive them of its protection, thus considering them free to take any action, to their own responsibility. It (the government) also set the same healthy conditions which in the *latest rebellion of Canada against British rule* were kept invariably by the federal provinces of Northern America (?). During the rebellion a great number of citizens of the american provinces near Canada went to fight alongside those who took up arms against British rule, while their government declared itself neutral. Britain did complain, but the neutral gov. of America didn't act in any other way than to declare that if a citizen fighting for Canada was cought by the British, he would be deprived of its protection." I don't know what event he was referring to, but reading that was the reason why I watched your video. * en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_of_the_Ionian_Islands

While I do agree that the war of 1812 was a war that helped start Canada's identity, I wouldn't say it was out war of independence. Canada actually did try this in 1837-38 there was the Canadian rebellions but they failed. I would honestly say that WW1 was our war of independence. Some of the soldiers said that they went into the battles as British soldiers, but came down as Canadians.

The War of 1812 is only "Canada's War of Independence" in the context of our relationship to the United States. The thing is, we didn't gain formal independence until the Statute of Westminster, 1931. Even then we still had to ask the British to change our constitution (it was a British law) until it was patriated in 1982. Arguably, then, our war of independence was World War I in which the Canadians fought as Canadians rather than as reinforcements for British formations and, after 1917, as an independent command in the Allied armies. Canada entered the war when Britain declared war on Germany, but signed the peace treaties separately from Britain and received its own seat in the League of Nations. During the 1920s the Liberal governments of Mackenzie King fought for recognition of the fact of Canadian independence that had been won in World War I. Canada asserted its independence during the Chanak Crisis of 1922 and by refusing to get the British government to co-sign the 1923 Halibut Treaty. As a result of the Balfour Report and the Imperial Conference of 1926, Canada and the other White Dominions gained the immediate right to establish our own foreign relations while negotiating our constitutional separation from the British government. Due to it's bankruptcy during the Great Depression, Newfoundland reverted to the status of Crown Colony by 1931 while Canada, Australia, New Zealand and South Africa gained independence. In terms of Canada, the crown became the Canadian Crown in 1931, a separate institution from the British Crown, although it is held by Charles III. Canada has still not changed the succession rules from strict male primogenitor. As a result, in Canada, Prince Louis superseded Princess Charlotte in the line of succession when he was born.

Remember, no Cs.

Great video, just to point out that the iroquois term, although not quite incorrect, should not be used to reffer to the Haudenosaunee, as iroquois is a term created by the french colonist and does not revindicate the autonomy and origin of the Houdenosaunee people

we all ways just called it the war of 1812. i've never heard it described as a war of indepence for us, always presented as the country coming together to resist foreign invaders.

I was at a museum at a Federally owned Canadian park. They very much referred to Canada as being run by the British before becoming a dominion.

There's definitely an issue with the terminology used in this video as well as some additional information missed out.

@quidam_surprise

3 жыл бұрын

What do you mean?

Not to mention that just prior to this the Royal Navy was officially at war with not just the French but with the International Slave Trade. Ships carrying slaves were allowed, by British Law, to be boarded, the ship seized and its crew pressed into service in the Royal Navy. I wonder if this could have angered the Americans?

Our "war of independence" was World War I. The war of 1812 was a war between Britain, and America, Canada had no national identity. World War I is the war that lead to Canadians seeing themselves as a distinct society separate from Britain. It was not the war of 1812. The war of 1812 was literally just that time the rebels down south got all uppity again while old mumsy was dealing with the lil corporal. They came up here made Canadian lives more difficult for a bit, until the real fighting was over in Europe, then they got spanked.

Small correction, the Natives didn't defeat the "British" at the Battle of Beaver Damns, they defeated the Americans. Beaver Damns is a short distance from Niagara Falls. Only a few small plaques are on display in the area which is much disturbed by the building of the Welland Canal Systems over the centuries. Laura Ingalls Secord was of course commemorated with a Chocolate and Sweets franchise but did you know that her Ingalls ancestry means that she was a distant relation to the celebrated American character Laura Ingalls of "The Little House on the Prarie" fame?

@MrAtsyhere

3 жыл бұрын

Eeks a couple more gaffs where you have the Mohawks fighting AGAINST the British at Chateauguea, nope against Americans. It should also be noted that Americans ALSO had native allies, most notably the Delaware (Lene Lenape) and some Senecas serving mostly as guides and scouts. Many of the Iroquois sat this war out having been stung in the previous War of Independence. They viewed the war as White people killing White People, just stay off my lawn.

@Ellie.12866

3 жыл бұрын

My stepmother, who lives in Niagara Falls, was driving one day and had to stop for a handful of soldiers crossing the road. They were American soldiers, in 1812 garb. True story. Niagara Falls and Niagara on the Lake are filled with history and battles... and ghosts...

At around 18:20 the video describes Laura Secord (which should be pronounced "Sea-cord") helping the British defeat the *British* at the Battle of Beaver Dams. She actually helped the British defeat the *Americans*.

As an American though the Canadians did do a great job in the war of 1812 i wouldn't necessarily call it a war of independence for Canada. Yes they alone where able to defend themselves without British aid Canada was still part of the British Empire and would continue to support the British for decades after they officially became a nation in 1867.

@paranoidrodent

3 жыл бұрын

Canada became a Dominion in 1867 (a locally autonomous state with foreign affairs and defense controlled by London). The federation created in 1867 would later evolve into a sovereign state but one can't really talk about Canada having de facto sovereignty before 1931 (and the case is stronger after 1949 and self-evident by the Suez Crisis where Canada sides with the US rather than the UK). The repatriation of the constitution in 1982 was the final legal split although, in reality, Canada had been acting as a fully sovereign nation for decades and was already a fellow G7 member by then. 1982 was mostly about sorting out and modernizing the incredibly messy constitution that had evolved out of being a collection of colonies that gradually became independent. Arguably, the process of Canadian independence was a slow 142 year long process from the Act of Union 1840 to the Canada Act 1982 (arguably going back to 1837 if you include the rebellions that led to the Act of Union and the granting of responsible government). 1867 gets held up as the country's "birthdate" because that's the birth of the modern federation we call Canada today. Canada as a place goes back to French colonial times (it was the name for the colony that geographically corresponds to modern Quebec - "canadiens" started as the ethnolinguistic term for the French colonial descendents from Canada (as opposed to "acadiens" from Acadia further east) and the meaning changed over time).

@news_internationale2035

3 жыл бұрын

@@paranoidrodent I think Australia's constitution still includes New Zealand despite that being defacto independent.

@paranoidrodent

3 жыл бұрын

@@news_internationale2035 I believe it still includes a clause that would allow New Zealand to join the country if it wishes. An open invitation, if you will. It doesn't change that they are distinct political entities. Like Canada, Australia was formed by the amalgamation of a number of neighbouring British colonies. New Zealand simply never opted in. The American Articles of Confederation included a similar open invitation to Canada (basically modern day Quebec at the time) in article 11.

American sneeding incoming

@lucifer2b666

3 жыл бұрын

What's sneeding?

@markbenjamin1703

3 жыл бұрын

@@lucifer2b666 Sneed and Feed, formerly Chuck's

@philagelio336

3 жыл бұрын

Oh I’m gonna sneed alright

@magicalchipmunk1137

3 жыл бұрын

Night of the long rakes will come for the leaves

@christmasdenier

3 жыл бұрын

Top fuckin Sneed

I love that you mentioned the heroin Laura Secord! I’m Canadian and the elementary school I went to was named after her and the teachers told her story every year!

I miss the Dutch anthem, even tho i new it was coming id burst into laughter everytime .

I thought this might be relevant because you mentioned Stan Rogers in one of your Ireland videos. Stan Rogers wrote a song about John Macdonell, general Brock's aide-de-camp, who died along with Brock in the battle of Queenston Heights. kzread.info/dash/bejne/mX9hq9aac7OfhbQ.html

Why was there less support in the areas now known as Canada to oppose the export and stamp taxes imposed unilaterally by the British Parliament to recoup expenses incurred in the French-Indian War?

"Saskatchewan is much like Texas...except it's more friendly to the United States!"....U.S. Statesman Adlai Stevenson

Hilbret something is surly wrong you mentioned the dutch in this video & no dutch amthem thingy. what happened in this video. its so wierd for you not to do it. haha.

It should be important to note that many french canadians at the time supported and preferred British rule over American. During 7 years war, there was wide spread circulation of anti french propaganda in the 13 colonies and there were calls to erase the French identity in Quebec by many prominent politicians in the 13 colonies. Many French Canadiens remembered this anti french sentiment during the American revolution and the war of 1812 and feared the loss of their french identity in the event of an American takeover. Furthermore, the British governor of Quebec at time actually took great lengths to protect the french inhabitants of Quebec, such recognizing language rights, continuing to practice french civil laws and even going as far to banning american settlement of region. Which would incidentally be a major of the american revolution.

I honestly find the war of 1812 very interesting I reenact the time period although I find the story of us by cbc isn't the best a lot of Canadians did complain about the series

Remember that although many Americans lived in Upper Canada at the time, the Americans came in and started to loot and burn and people who would have been sympathetic to their cause joined the British militia. The Americans burned the capital of York, today's Toronto, and this shocked all the participants in the Napoleonic wars, losing the American government any support it may have had in its invasions. Washington DC was burned in retaliation.

strange to see a lower mounted bayonett on a brown bess

Les Habitants, Canadien wasn't used until after 1783, were treated much better by the English than they had been by the French. Some of them still spoke Breton, an language similar to Welsh. The "Americans" were interested in stealing land and eliminating Catholicism, hardly something that those in Quebec would find appealing. New Brunswick is a province, similar to South Holland being a province of The Netherlands. New Brunswick and Nova Scotia were created from the French colony of Acadia. Lower's quote is ironic considering slavery was outlawed in Upper Canada in 1793 and not until 1865 in the USA. In Chateauguay, neither "u" is pronounced. (Shato gay) The Wyandot, the losers of the Beaver Wars, have ended up on reservations in Kansas and Oklahoma. Other videos: kzread.info/dash/bejne/kYBh2K5ufqnRiaQ.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/dYSlqMWFhLWYp5s.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/h4WtsrqIeNnddcY.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/qYCVks-Oh6TPhs4.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/nXx-ldt9lre5aKQ.html Canada: The Story of Us Episode 3 | War of Independence (a production of the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation) kzread.info/dash/bejne/qoiDpJeDncyWcZc.html

That Canadian historian at 8:00 seems a bit biased...

If you get the chance could you do one on Aotearoa history? 😊

Why do (two of?) the Mohawks... have mohawks?

@awesomeatronik

3 жыл бұрын

that's where the word and hairstyle comes from

@AdriaanZwemer

3 жыл бұрын

@@awesomeatronik They are more Pawnee-ish hairstyles apparently idk, I read a thing somewhere once

why is it that some people say Idear ??? Insted of IdeA

Very well explined. I asum there are few records of the role the natives played, thought it waould be interestinf. I hve read of n attrocity committed at York by US militias and think it diserves some investigation.

As to the Native American* side of things, the Kings and Generals channel has done a biographic on Tecumseh (3 parts, also on their channel as one long video), so if you decide to go there, you may want to check that you're doing your own take on it and not just accidentally copying their work (even though your style of presentation is of course already completely different from theirs). *) Many of those we call "Native Americans" object to the term, since it literally means "people born in America / the Americas", so it logically implies also all decendants of immigrants from elsewhere. They prefer "Indians" over "Native Americans", and they prefer the actual names of their peoples over "Indians". Note that said actual names are not the names given to them by their neighbours and which we are often most familiar with; thus the Nermernuh were a loosely organized people, for example, whose "name" Comanche roughly translates to: "Those guys who keep attacking us all the time". (Based on Charles C. Mann's book "1491")

Soooooo....this war was pretty much just -Both sides burned down each other’s cities. -Both failed to invade each other. -Both failed to win -And the Indians lost their territory again.

@TheIceman567

3 жыл бұрын

Where are you from?

@Hand-in-Shot_Productions

3 жыл бұрын

Pretty much!

@anthonymarchiano9774

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheIceman567 A Place that wasn’t a Part of the US yet, when this war happened

@TheIceman567

3 жыл бұрын

@@anthonymarchiano9774 Canada?

@anthonymarchiano9774

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheIceman567 No im from the USA

Canada has never lost a war also the Canadian rebels trying to gain independence from Britain in 1812-1813 (here is the complete list of wars Vietnam has lost) 1 Combatant 2 Result Han-Nanyue War (111 BCE) Nanyue under Triệu dynasty Han Empire Defeat First Chinese domination of Vietnam Dominated (111 BC-905 AD) Edit First and Second Chinese Domination (111 BC - 544 AD) Edit Conflict Combatant 1 Combatant 2 Result Trung sisters' rebellion (40-43) Trưng Sisters rebels in Lingnan Han Empire Rebellion defeated Second Chinese domination of Vietnam Jiaozhi revolts (100, 136-144 AD) Chamic revolt in Rinan, by 136 it had been spreading to Jiaozhi. Han dynasty Rebellion defeated Jiuzhen revolt (157 AD) Chu Đạt rebels in Jiuzhen Han dynasty Rebellion defeated Wuhu revolt (178-181) Liang Long rebels in Hepu and Jiaozhi Han dynasty Rebellion defeated Independence of Champa (192) Khu Liên revolts in Xianglin (Hue), southern part of Rinan Han dynasty Rebellion success, creation of the first Cham kingdom of Lâm Ấp. Lady Triệu Revolt (248) Lady Triệu rebels in Jiuzhen Wu Rebellion defeated Lady Triệu Revolt was suppressed. Jin-Wu war (263-280) Anti-Wu rebels in Jiaozhi, backed by Jin dynasty Wu Jin victory Jin acquired possession of Northern Vietnam from Wu. Jin-Lâm Ấp war (399-431) Jin dynasty Lâm Ấp Jin victory Cham attacks were driven back with heavy tolls. Liu Song-Lâm Ấp war (445-446) Liu Song dynasty Lâm Ấp Liu Song victory Capital of Lâm Ấp, Kandarapura, was sacked by the Liu Song dynasty. Lý Bí Revolt (542-545) Lý Bí rebels in Jiaozhi Liang Victory Establishment of Vạn Xuân under Early Lý dynasty. Early Lý Dynasty (545-602) Edit Conflict Early Lý Dynasty and allies Opponents Result Sui-Van Xuan War (545-602) Vạn Xuân under Early Lý dynasty Sui Defeat Third Chinese domination of Vietnam Third Chinese Domination (602-905) Edit Conflict Combatant 1 Combatant 2 Result Sui-Lâm Ấp war (605) Lâm Ấp Sui dynasty Sui victory Chinese briefly established in Champa Lý Tự Tiên rebellion (679) Lý Tự Tiên's Li rebels Tang dynasty Tang victory Mai Thúc Loan Revolt (722-23) Mai Thúc Loan rebels in Annan Great Tang Tang victory Chen Xingfan revolt (726-28) Chen Xingfan rebels in modern-day China-Vietnam borderlands Great Tang Tang victory Javanese raids in Vietnam coast (767, 774 & 787) Javanese raiders Tang dynasty, Champa Tang victory Phùng Hưng Revolt (791) Phùng Hưng rebels in Annan Great Tang Defeat Tang-Nanzhao war (846-866) Nanzhao and local rebels in Northern Vietnam Great Tang Tang victory Exhaustion for the Tang Empire

Is it really a war for independence if you’re fighting to stay a part of an empire?

The video mentions that the Portuguese were among the first Europeans to see the land that would eventually become Canada, although they mostly focused on fishing in its waters rather than settling there. This may provide the true explanation of the name "Canada": While our government has advanced other theories about the origins of the name and would probably be too embarrassed to endorse this, I've had it confirmed by a native Portuguese-speaker that in Portuguese, "ca nada" means "nothing there". I assume that any Portuguese fishermen who went ashore in the area would have seen that there were no cities or signs of advanced civilization there, which would justify the "ca nada" description. They might even have been in areas that few or maybe no aboriginal settlements which would make the "ca nada" description even more appropriate.

sorry but diden't they use bever skins (hair) to make filt for all the fancy hats !!!!! and not coats!!! I have always learned they used the beaver hairs to make filt. so that the could make the big hats men and some woman wore back then.