I intentionally did not make any specific truck brand recommendations as that's a very subjective topic, and I wanted to be objective in this video. One person may want to put Independents on a deck while another person may want to put Thunders on the very same deck. Sorry for any audio issues, I still haven't gotten around to getting a new microphone so I'm still using my headset mic. What trucks do you use for your old school or shaped deck?

@jimmyhuang8730

Жыл бұрын

Indy, Ace or cheap mini logo 8.75+ is best for big decks.

@janseger1693

Жыл бұрын

Hey. again a great video ,May I ask one thing . When you talk about the skateboard Trucks. you are thinking about Modern skateboard trucks or more period accurate trucks? Got both the Old Indys and Thunder trucks from back in the days.(Indy´s are stage 5 169) and the Thunders are same size. Nowdays Thunder doesn´t make their trucks as big as back then.and lastly. the holes on the old school skate trucks. Not sure what boards they would fit. so I guess need to investigate that more. or simply re drill.

@idmhead0160

Жыл бұрын

I've been using Indy. The trucks I've tested so far are Indy, Thunder, and Mini Logo. Indys turn a lot better than the other two. I wanted to put Thunders on a Vision Kele Roscrans deck I have that I used Thunders on back in the 80s. I was thinking it had the old bolt pattern, and so wouldn't be able to use Thunders without drilling the deck, but, realized that it actually uses the new bolt pattern. So, I could have, but, overall, Indy is my preferred truck at this point. The turn is a lot better than Thunder and I do a lot of carving and riding hills.

@idmhead0160

Жыл бұрын

The other thing I like about Indy is that they are taller trucks. I like bigger wheels. I've used up to 64mm without risers with Indy. I think you would need a riser for Thunders to do that. They turn less though, but, they are lower.

@idmhead0160

Жыл бұрын

I wish Venture still made the trucks they had in the 80s for old school boards. They were more minimal and looked way different to the ones they make today. I skated those a long time ago and would definitely get a pair if they still made them. They were kind of similar to Tracker from what I remember. Tracker still makes their classic trucks. I want to get some Sixtracks, but, the only place I know that sells them (selectskateshop), doesn't have them at the moment.

Makes sense. Time ago I had a 10.5 board and was sold ten inches trucks. It was weird as the back truck stuck out nearly two inches. 8.75 was the right choice for me once I got used to the weird inbalance at the front. The 80's were crazy.

I had a Jesse Martinez 9.5 and used Indy 169’s. Absolutely worked perfectly with 56mm bones Lizzie Armanto wheels. Retired that one and now using a natas Santa Cruz 10.5x 34.5 with tensor 77’s. Absolutely love the set up.

finaly! someone talks about this! have been trying to find anything online and nobody talks about it!

Great video! Thank you. I'm just pondering this stuff myself, and you helped me feel good about a build I'm playing with. I'm old enough that my friends and I all had the reissue decks when they were just decks, not reissue.😁 I had an Alva. My friends also had P-P, Schmitt, Vision, etc. A lot of decks were fish-shaped, with a narrow section over the back truck. The end of the tail, and about 2/3 of the way up, the board were very wide. I like the Winkowski Pro shape now, which are part old school, but also have modern concaves and a bit of nose flip. The narrow point over the rear truck is about 8.5", and over the front truck the board is about 9" wide. The wide point, behind the front bolts, is about 10.25". Erik W rides 159s on it AFAIK. Remember, when these reissues were new designs, flip tricks didn't exist. These boards were ridden more like surfskates are now. They typically had pretty high risers and relatively big wheels, and would carve more like a longboard today with loose trucks and lots of travel. Freestyle did exist at the time, but those guys used boards more like flat popsicle sticks, much narrower than the pool boards. Nobody was doing coconut wheelies on a 10.5" Schmitt Stix deck with pool wheels. The freestyle skaters did match their trucks with the width of their boards. But pool riders didn't really think about it so much. Again, they were more like tranny-sliding surf skaters now. They thought about how stable the deck felt going up the side of a pool, and how well it would turn when they shifted their weight. TL;DR: before flip tricks started crossing over from freestyle to street and transition skating, maybe 35 years ago, nobody even thought about making the truck axles match the deck width. They were not TOO far off, at least in the rear, but trucks exactly matching decks wasn't how anyone set up an Alva or Powell-Peralta board back in 1985.

lol just this week I thought about buying an oldschool shape and wondered if any of my trucks would fit and now you come with this video. very nice brother

Very super helpful video. Thanks for the insight.

Good subject to tackle. Super useful video!

Great video! Another variable is probably the wheels. Old school wheels tend to be offset and wide which can help add up to 1/4” (eg. Dogtown, Mini cubics, Rat bones).

Ace af1 hangar and regular Indy baseplate to use old school bolt holes. Works but kingpin is significantly lower. Really stable and turns quick with right bushings and top washers if rolling on bone’s bushings.

I totally agree with what you said. I've been doing the same thing. So far, the old school decks that I have are a Powell Peralta Ray Barbee Fire Hydrant, Vision Kele Roscrans, and Powell Peralta Ban This. I'm using Indy 159s (8.75) on the Vision deck. 8.75 is about right for the Barbee deck as well. The Ban This deck is a little wider. That one could maybe use 169s (9.13). I have 159s on it at the moment but they are a bit too narrow. The other thing you need to take into consideration is whether the wheels overhang the ends of the trucks. I forgot to mention, I also have a Powell Peralta Mike Vallely deck. That one actually measures 8.5" where the back hanger is. I have the new Rat Bones Dragon wheels on it, which over hang the trucks. Believe it or not, I actually found that Indy 144s (8.25) fit that perfectly with the Rat Bones. Rat Bones add roughly a 1/4" to the width of the trucks. Those new Rat Bones are really good for cruiser boards. They are narrower than the old ones and slide better. Indy 159s are my favorite trucks overall. I had been skating 8.5" Powell decks, but, I prefer the 8.75" trucks because the wheels (modern ones like Powell Dragons (Bones shapes)) are actually shorter than the ends of the trucks. Even though the axle stick out a little over the deck, the wheels like up with the edge of the deck pretty much perfectly. Actually, I wish Indy made another intermediate length truck like they did with Indy 144 and made a Indy 164 (5mm shorter than 169/5mm greater than 159). If they did, it would be perfect for a Powell 8.75 Popsicle shaped board which is my current preferred setup. I was surprised that Thunder and Venture don't make 6 hole baseplates with the old bolt pattern. I skated Thunder, Venture, and Tracker back in the 80s. Thunder and Venture are totally different looking trucks now than they did then. Tracker still makes Sixtracks which are 8.9". I just got my first set of Indy 169s which I put on a 9" Powell Popsicle shaped board (Cab). It's cold here, so, maybe it's just the temperature, but, I found that 169s seemed to be less turny than 159s. I compared them to 159s on a Powell 8.75 deck. Both had a 15" wheelbase. I have to test it more, but, that surprised me. I was wondering whether wheel bite would be more of an issue with the wider trucks. It seems to be less of an issue with the 169s than the 159s actually. Both trucks have the kingpin nut all the way to the end of the kingpin.

This might sound crazy but with my Welcome and Uma shaped decks I’ve run split width trucks - Indy 159 in front and 149 rear

MiniLogo also do a 6 hole base plate on their larger trucks! Good analysis btw

Running Indy 169’s hollows on my Powell Peralta GeeGah Skull & Sword with mini-cubics 👌🏼

For a 10" inch oldschool board Ace 77 is the best choice for me 🤷 depends also on my type of wheels

Thanks for this video! Wish I would have found this like 1 week sooner… ordered 9" trucks for a Welinder oldschool board, but I think 8.75" would be better. Actually, my current 8.5" trucks aren’t so bad, either! I’m debating whether I’ll just keep the 9" trucks for that much more room to grind, or order again to get 8.75" for a better shot at flip tricks…

Powell is releasing the all new X Formula wheels similar to Dragons but in 97A, you should get a set and review them.

Greetings, Thorne. I'm curious what trucks you're running on that Black Label Cross. I have the same deck and want to try out the newly reissued Indy Stage 4's but can't decide between the 151's or 166's. The front measures at 9 and the rear at 8.75.

I just bought a film truck and they got also the old school baseplate

Could you do a review on the Alva 77 or 78?

The Saiz deck is only 8" at the back truck and 8.25" at the front truck believe it or not. Although it's not something you would want to do with a Popsicle shaped deck, I agree that 8.75 trucks may be best for that deck. I have one, but, haven't set it up yet and haven't decided on trucks. Probably, it would be Indy 159s with Bone X97s 56mm Wide Cuts. Or, if I used something like Rat Bones which are an offset wheel that adds 3/8" to the axle length, I'd probably go with 149s. I have 144s and Rat Bones on a Vallely deck.

I’m looking to get a Black Label Cross board and want to put Thunder 151’s (8.75”) on it, would that be the right size trucks for that deck? Great video’s, keep rippin up on those old school boards.

@TheGeryal

Жыл бұрын

Hi, I have a Black Label Cross and 8.75 trucks are a little narrow unless you ride wheels that go past the axle, 9 inch trucks fit that board best. However, if you want to ride the Thunder 151's go for it, they should fit more or less fine and you should be able to ride without issue.

@nicholasg.savino6570

Жыл бұрын

I have a Black Label Racing Stripe which I think is the same dimension as the Cross - 10” x 32.875“/ Double drilled WB 15.5" or 16" which has very little tapering. I have Indy 215s and Dogtown 58mm (not the Old School version that have offset bearings and hang over the axel nut) on it . I look down and see a little bit of wheel, which I prefer. I don't know how you guys are getting away with 8.75" trucks with that board unless you're riding some Mini-Cubics maybe 🤷‍♂?

I’ve made a monstrosity.. I bought 161 team thunders for my 9.75 powell geegaw deck and didn’t realize the deck had the old school hard ware set up while the thunder base plate was set to modern hardware. So lucky I had 109 stage 11 Indy’s with a six hole base plate and I took the thunder hangers and combined the two with the thunders bushings and it surprisingly works. But I know it’s an abomination against god. I have experience in wood work and thought of drilling the holes but I’m scared shaped boards ain’t cheap and thunders are better for me and also lighter then indys and of course thunder goes and makes 181 after I buy 161s but idk if the base plates any different

@ramrunsfast

8 ай бұрын

Check out CHEMS Chems Skateboard Wheelbase Mod Tool It's a great tool for changing wheelbases or adjusting your hole patterns.

169 is the only answer , might even wanna put some 215s on some of the 10”+ reissues, it’s nice to have the wheels poke out on a old school IMO

@Hardcorestilllives

6 ай бұрын

I love to see my wheels while riding, yeah

Great video! I only ride old school decks and am always looking for other trucks to try. I’ve used Gullwing, Paris, Indy and Tracker. Any recommendations for others that could be good? Never used any other brands.

@vorpalblades

Жыл бұрын

Krux

@joeywood156

Жыл бұрын

Classic aces with the ace hard bushings. I have tried Indy, Thunder, mini logo, tensors, ventures, and krux. There’s a lot to unpack but basically the aces actually turn sharp and the 52 mm height isn’t too wheelbitey with the hard bushings. But because the aces are so carvy they pair with the hard bushings very nicely. Even for flip tricks!

@renheitman

Жыл бұрын

@@joeywood156 Great to know! Thanks! I've been eyeing those for awhile. Guess I'll grab a pair!

10.5 scram deck with 159s

Bro i want to buy the Santa Cruz Tom Knox 10inch x 31 inch can you help me what trucks or size should i buy? 😭 or somebody

@bondalero0074

5 ай бұрын

Indy 159!#😊

ive seen mike v use thunders and most of the powell team just use mini logo trucks

I copied Chris Hiett and slapped on some 159 Indie hollows on a Steve Saiz board

@johnisaverynormalname7802

Жыл бұрын

How is it so far cause I'm trying to do the same thing

@blankearth5840

Жыл бұрын

@@johnisaverynormalname7802 It’s great. Threw on some 54mm Powell Dragon wheels and Bronson g3 bearings and it flies

Indy 169

This question tortured me for 2 decades.... Thanks Thorne ! (I'm 59 by the way). ps: he doesn't have the exact measurment of the Steve Callabero 's deck ? I take my "like" away from the video.... Sorry Thorne but I take this shit very seriously....

Too long, this video could’ve been 5 minutes and 45 seconds (this is the most informative piece of skateboarding related media I’ve ever seen)

I hate when people put 215s on winks

@thebroboards

Жыл бұрын

I have one and I have 166 and they are perfect

@professored7169

Жыл бұрын

Winks?

@thebroboards

Жыл бұрын

@@professored7169 the Eric winkowski pro model series of skateboard decks, they have a unique shape

@professored7169

Жыл бұрын

@@thebroboards ok ya I seen that board, I'm just getting a reissue and am tripping on what trucks to ride with what boards, but I just bought indie stage 4 166mm 9" axle, you think these will work for most reissues?

@thebroboards

Жыл бұрын

@@professored7169 yes

Brand? No. I am a solid supporter of Kryptonics. Change bearings....maybe bushings....ride til the wheels fall off.

You don't want trucks that are too narrow or too wide. If your trucks are too wide, the wheels will stick out and your shoes will hit them, causing you to fall. On the other hand, having trucks that are too narrow will cause imbalance.

Indy 159s are 8 3/4 inches not 8 1/4.

ignore all this, ride wht you feel suits you

@munday77

Жыл бұрын

Couldn't agree more. I always thought there were no rules in skateboarding, and here he is telling people what is 'right ' or 'wrong'.